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A weekly conversation with a non-fiction writer about how they got their start, how they work, and how they tell stories. Co-produced by Longform and The Atavist.


Episode 216: Emily Witt  

Emily Witt is a freelance writer and the author of Future Sex.

“I think I had always thought that—maybe this is coming from a WASPy, protestant background—if I presented myself as overtly sexual in any way, it would be a huge turnoff. That they would see me as a certain type of person. They wouldn’t have respect for me. And I thought this both professionally—I thought maybe writing this book was going to be really bad for my career, that nobody would take me seriously anymore—and also that nobody would want to date me if I was too honest. In both counts the opposite happened.”

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@embot emilywitt.net Witt on Longform [02:45] Future Sex (Farrar, Straus & Giroux • 2016) [03:00] "Online Dating Diary" (London Review of Books • Oct 2012) [03:15] Witt’s Archive at The Observer [05:30] Witt’s Archive at Miami New Times [05:45] "Cinema é Luxo" (n+1 • Oct 2009) [sub req’d] [06:15] "Miami Party Boom" (n+1 • Mar 2010) [sub req’d] [06:30] Gus Garcia-Roberts on Longform [09:30] Thy Neighbor’s Wife (Gay Talese • Harper Perennial • 2009) [10:00] "An Evening in the Nude with Gay Talese" (Aaron Latham • New York • Jul 1973) [11:15] "That Room in Cambridge" (n+1 • Mar 2011) [sub req’d] [19:15] "What Do You Desire?" (n+1 • Mar 2013) [38:45] "The Trip Planners" (New Yorker • Nov 2015) [48:00] How Music Got Free: A Story of Obsession and Invention (Stephen Witt • Penguin Books • 2015) [48:15] Minnesota Monthly [50:45] "Burning Man Diary" (London Review of Books • Jul 2014)

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Episode 215: Krista Tippett  

Krista Tippett is the host of On Being and the author of Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living.

“Good journalists in newsrooms hold themselves to primitive standards when they’re covering religious ideas and people. They’re sloppy and simplistic in a way that they would never be with a political or economic person or idea. I mean they get facts wrong. They generalize. Because they don’t take it seriously, and they don’t know how to take it seriously.”

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@kristatippett [00:30] On Being [01:15] Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living (Penguin Press • 2016) [01:45] "MailChimp and the Un-Silicon Valley Way to Make It as a Start-Up" (Farhad Manjoo • New York Times • Oct 2016) [05:15] The Brown Daily Herald [11:30] "Mengele Casts Shadow on a Bavarian Town" (New York Times • Jun 1985) [20:00] "West Germans Protest Nuclear Missiles For 4th Day" (John Tagliabue • New York Times • Apr 1983) [38:15] The Nantucket Project [46:15] "The Poetry of Ordinary Time" (On Being • Aug 2014) [54:00] The Unedited Episode of “Randomness and Choice" (On Being • Oct 2016)

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Episode 214: Luke Dittrich  

Luke Dittrich is a contributing editor at Esquire. His new book is Patient H.M.: A Story of Memory, Madness, and Family Secrets.

“As soon as I told [my mom] that I got my first book deal for this story about Patient H.M., her first words were, ‘Oh no.’ That was sort of her gut reaction to it because, I think, she knew at a certain level that I was going to be dredging up very painful stories. And I think at that point even she didn’t know the depth of the pain that some of the stories that I was going to find were going to lay out there.”

Thanks to MailChimp, EA SPORTS FIFA 17, Squarespace, Wunder, and Audible for sponsoring this week's episode.

Dittrich on Longform [2:15] Longform Podcast #66: Andy Ward [2:45] "The Brain That Couldn’t Remember" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2016) [4:15] "Possessed" (Atlanta Magazine • Nov 2003) [Google Books] [4:15] "The Red Zone" (Atlanta Magazine • Jul 2004) [Google Books] [4:30] Patient H.M.: A Story of Memory, Madness, and Family Secrets (Random House • 2016) [12:00] "The Brain That Changed Everything" (Esquire • Oct 2010) [13:30] The Alexandria Quartet (Lawrence Durrell • Pocket Books • 1977) [16:00] Egypt Today [20:15] journalismjobs.com [18:15] Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil: A Savannah Story (John Berendt • Vintage Books • 1999) [19:15] "Pageants Are My Life" (Oxford American • May 2001) [sub req’d] [24:00] "H.M., an Unforgettable Amnesiac, Dies at 82" (Benedict Carey • New York Times • Dec 2008) [32:30] "A Book Examines the Curious Case of a Man Whose Memory Was Removed" (Seth Mnookin • New York Times • Aug 2016) [37:15] "Faculty at MIT and beyond respond forcefully to an article critical of Suzanne Corkin" (MIT News Office • MIT News • Aug 2016) [37:45] "Questions & Answers about ‘Patient H.M.’" (Medium • Aug 2016) [43:00] "Tonight on Dateline This Man Will Die" (Esquire • Sep 2007) [43:00] "The Prophet" (Esquire • Jul 2013) [46:30] Chris Hansen’s new “predator” project [47:00] "Esquire Article on Eben Alexander Distorts the Facts" (Robert Mays • International Association For Near Death Studies • Aug 2013) [48:45] Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon’s Journey into the Afterlife (Eben Alexander • Simon & Schuster • 2012) [50:45] "'Heavenly Father!' 'I love you all!' 'I love everyone!' 'Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus!' 'I love all of you!'" (Esquire • Sep 2011) [51:30] "Chuck Berry Goddamn!" (Esquire • Dec 2011)

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Episode 213: A.J. Daulerio  

A.J. Daulerio is the former editor-in-chief of Gawker.

“The choices they’ve given me are take back everything that you loved about Nick [Denton], Gawker, and your job, and we’ll give you your $1,000 back or your ability to make money. You can walk away from this, but you just can’t talk about it ever again. I don’t see there’s any question for me. I definitely thought long and hard about it, and I’ve talked to a lot of people about it. It’s just not in me. Some days I absolutely wish I could say, ‘Is there a phone call I could make to make this all go away?’ Because I want my life back. That’s happened. But for the most part I just think I would regret doing that.”

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Daulerio on Longform [18:00] Gabriel Sherman on the Longform Podcast [24:30] "This Is Apple’s Next iPhone" (Jason Chen • Gizmodo • Apr 2010) [28:15] Leah Finnegan on the Longform Podcast [29:15] "’Brett Favre Once Sent Me Cock Shots’: Not a Love Story" (Deadspin • Aug 2010) [35:30] "Even for a Minute, Watching Hulk Hogan Have Sex in a Canopy Bed is Not Safe For Work but Watch it Anyway" (Gawker • Oct 2012) [39:30] "Did I Kill Gawker?" (Max Read • Select All • Aug 2016) [40:00] Ratter [44:00] "Gawker Editor’s Testimony Stuns Courtroom in Hulk Hogan Trial" (Nick Madigan • New York Times • Mar 2016) [49:30] Nick Denton’s statement about the Geithner story [49:30] "New Gawker will be ’20 percent nicer,’ Denton tells staff" (Peter Sterne • Politico • Jul 2015)

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Episode 212: Julia Turner  

Julia Turner is editor-in-chief of Slate.

“That’s what we’ve been focused on: trying to double down on the stuff that feels distinctive and original. Because if you spend all your time on a social platform, and a bunch of media brands are optimizing all their content for that social platform, all those media brands’ headlines say the same, all the content is pretty interchangeable. It turns media into this commodity where then what is the point of developing a media company for 20 years? You might as well take the Silicon Valley approach and just make a new one every three years for whatever that moment is.”

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@juliaturner [03:15] Michael Kinsley on the cover of Newsweek [06:15] Slate Plus [07:45] Turner’s Slate Archive [08:00] Other Magazines on Slate [24:00] "The Secret Language of Signs" (Slate • Mar 2010) [33:30] "In Defense of the Take" (Slate • Apr 2015) [35:30] John Herrman's "Content Wars" Series [37:00] "BuzzFeed v CNN: How One Snarky Comment Ignited a Fight for the Future of News" (Itay Hod • The Wrap • Aug 2016) [43:45] Political Gabfest [43:45] Culture Gabfest [46:30] DoubleX Gabfest [48:00] Panoply [51:00] "The State of Slate" (Slate • Jul 2014) [sub req’d] [53:00] "A Death in Yellowstone" (Jessica Grose • Slate • Apr 2012) [53:00] "What Really Happened to Phoebe Prince?" (Emily Bazelon • Slate • Jul 2010) [53:00] "The United States of Inequality" (Timothy Noah • Slate • Sep 2010) [53:00] "The Welfare Queen" (Josh Levin • Slate • Dec 2013) [53:30] "Prog Spring" (David Weigel • Slate • Aug 2012) [55:15] "Bartleby, the Scrivener" (Herman Melville, Andrew Kahn • Slate • Oct 2015) [56:15] Cover Stories on Slate [57:30] "191 Things Donald Trump Has Said and Done That Make Him Unfit to Be President" (Chris Kirk, Ian Prasad Philbrick, Gabriel Roth • Slate • Sep 2016) [58:00] "Why Slate Will Break the Traditional Information Embargo on Nov. 8." (Slate • Sep 2016) [1:00:30] Sasha Issenberg’s Slate Archive

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Episode 211: Naomi Zeichner  

Naomi Zeichner is editor-in-chief of The Fader.

“Right now in rap there’s kind of a huge tired idea that kids are trying to kill their idols, and kids have no respect for history, and kids are making bastardized crazy music, and how dare they? I just don’t even know why we still care about this false dichotomy. Kids are coming from where they come from, they’re going where they’re going. And it’s like, do you want to try to learn about where they’re coming from and where they’re going, or do you not?”

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@nomizeichner Zeichner on Longform [05:00] "Zayn Malik’s Next Direction" (Duncan Cooper • The Fader • Nov 2015) [10:30] "Gucci Free" (Andrew Nosnitsky • The Fader • Jul 2016) [17:00] "America Is Brutal and Meek Mill Is a Hero" (Will Stephenson • The Fader • May 2015) [17:30] "Rae Sremmurd’s Best Life" (The Fader • Jun 2016) [25:00] Young Thug on YouTube [30:00] Flagpole [32:45] "Yo-Yo Ma, The Silk Road Ensemble—Empire State of Mind" (YouTube) [43:30] David Remnick on the Longform Podcast


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Episode 210: Ben Taub  

Ben Taub is a contributing writer at The New Yorker.

“I don’t think it’s my place to be cynical because I’ve observed some of the horrors of the Syrian War through these various materials, but it’s Syrians that are living them. It’s Syrians that are being largely ignored by the international community and by a lot of political attention on ISIS. And I think that it wouldn’t be my place to be cynical when some of them still aren’t.”

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@bentaub91 Taub on Longform [02:45] David Remnick on the Longform Podcast [08:45] "Was U.S. Journalist Steven Sotloff a Marked Man?" (Daily Beast • Sep 2014) [28:00] Taub on The Voice (YouTube) [33:00] "Journey to Jihad" (New Yorker • Jun 2015) [49:00] Rukmini Callimachi on the Longform Podcast (Part 1) [49:00] Rukmini Callimachi on the Longform Podcast (Part 2) [50:30] "The Shadow Doctors" (New Yorker • Jun 2016) [50:30] "The Assad Files" (New Yorker • Apr 2016) [52:00] "’They were torturing to kill’: inside Syria’s death machine" (Guardian • Oct 2015)

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Episode 209: Sarah Schweitzer  

Sarah Schweitzer is a former feature writer for the Boston Globe.

“I just am drawn, I think, to the notion that we start out as these creatures that just want love and were programmed that way—to try to find it and to make our lives whole. We are, as humans, so strong in that way. We get knocked down, and adults do some horrible things to us because adults have had horrible things done to [them]. There are some terrible cycles in this world. But there’s always this opportunity to stop that cycle. And there are people who come along who do try that in their own flawed ways.”

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@SarahSchweitzer Schweitzer on Longform [2:45] With Her [3:15] Pineapple Street Media [4:45] "The life and times of Strider Wolf" (Boston Globe • Nov 2015) [16:45] Random Family: Love, Drugs, Trouble, and Coming of Age in the Bronx (Adrian Nicole LeBlanc • Scribner • 2004) [27:45] "Only a few tackle the trying times" (St. Petersburg Times • Oct 2000) [32:45] "Chasing Bayla" (Boston Globe • Oct 2014) [38:00] "Struggling town votes to end itself" (Boston Globe • Mar 2004)

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Episode 208: Rachel Monroe  

Rachel Monroe is a freelance writer based in Texas.

“I will totally go emotionally deep with people. If I can find a subject who is into that then it will probably be a good story. Whether that person is a victim of a crime, or a committer of a crime, or a woman who spends a lot of time on the internet looking for hoaxes, or whatever it may be—I guess I just think people are interesting. Particularly when those people have gone through some sort of extreme situation.”

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@rachmonroe rachel-monroe.com Monroe on Longform [00:45] "Fire Behavior" (Oxford American • Apr 2014) [01:00] Love and Ruin: Tales of Obsession, Danger, and Heartbreak from the Atavist Magazine (W.W. Norton & Company • 2016) [04:45] "From Pickup Artist to Pariah" (New York • Jan 2016) [15:45] "Evil Genius" (Pacific Standard • Sep 2015) [18:15] "Have You Ever Thought About Killing Someone?" (Matter • Apr 2015) [42:00] "Cancer Cons, Phoney Accidents and Fake Deaths: Meet the Internet Hoax Buster" (The Guardian • Feb 2016)

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Episode 207: McKay Coppins  

McKay Coppins is a senior political writer for Buzzfeed News and the author of The Wilderness: Deep Inside the Republican Party's Combative, Contentious, Chaotic Quest to Take Back the White House.

“I am part of the problem. Not in the sense that it’s my fault Trump ran, but in the sense that I’m one of many who for his entire life have mocked him and ridiculed him. He’s a billionaire—I don’t feel any moral guilt about it. But if being I’m honest with myself that same part of me can also, when not checked, be projected onto vast swathes of people. It’s easy to have a lazy classism about the type of people who would vote for Donald Trump.”

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Show Notes:

@mckaycoppins McKay Coppins’ Buzzfeed Archive [2:28] "A Mormon Reporter On The Romney Bus" (Buzzfeed • Nov 2012 [10:56] No Man Knows My History (Fawn M Brodie • Vintage • 1995) [11:18] Rough Stone Rolling (Richard Lyman Bushman • Vintage • 2007) [14:20] 36 Hours On The Fake Campaign Trail With Donald Trump(Buzzfeed • Feb 2014) [25:40] The Wilderness: Deep Inside the Republican Party's Combative, Contentious, Chaotic Quest to Take Back the White House (Little, Brown • 2015) [30:05] Donald Trump’s Mormon Problem (New York Times • Jun 2016) [32:35] "Trump Campaign Rally Erupts In Chaos And Ugly Confrontation " (Buzzfeed • Dec 2015)

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Episode 206: Gabriel Sherman  

Gabriel Sherman is the national affairs editor at New York and the author of the New York Times best-seller The Loudest Voice in the Room: How the Brilliant, Bombastic Roger Ailes Built Fox News—and Divided a Country.

“There was a time when we got death threats at home. Some crank called and said, ‘We’re gonna come after you. You’re coming after the right, we’re gonna get you.’ That was scary because, again, you don’t know if it’s just a crank when you have right wing websites that are turning you into a target. You know, it’s one thing if they do it with a politician. They have security or handlers—I don’t have any of that.”

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Special 'Love and Ruin' Reissue: Jon Mooallem  

Jon Mooallem is the author of "American Hippopotamus," a story included in Love and Ruin, the new Atavist Magazine collection. Buy your copy today.

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Episode 205: Ezra Klein  

Ezra Klein the editor-in-chief of Vox.

“I think that if any of these big players collapse, when their obits are written, it’ll be because they did too much. I’m not saying I think any of them in particular are doing too much. But I do think, when I look around and I think, ‘What is the danger here? What is the danger for Vox?’ I think it is losing too much focus because you’re trying to do too many things.”

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@ezraklein Klein on Longform Vox [01:00] The Ezra Klein Show [2:00] The Weeds [2:45] Ezra Klein’s Blog [5:00] "Jesse Eisenberg on Jewish humor, writing lessons, and interrogating strangers" (The Ezra Klein Show • Jun 2016) [8:45] Videos on Vox [11:15] Wonkblog [16:00] "If you are losing faith in human nature, go out and watch a marathon" (Washington Post • Apr 2013) [21:30] Matthew Yglesias’s Blog [23:45] What It Takes: The Way to the White House (Richard Ben Cramer • Vintage Books • 1993) [25:15] Ezra Klein’s Washington Monthly Archive [26:30] Ezra Klein’s American Prospect Archive [34:15] "Top Wonkblog Columnist to Leave Washington Post" (Ravi Somaiya • New York Times • Jan 2014) [49:15] The Verge [49:15] Eater [49:15] SB Nation [49:15] Polygon [49:15] Curbed [49:15] Recode [49:15] Racked [1:00:30] Card Stacks on Vox [1:03:00] Ezra Klein’s New Yorker Archive

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Episode 204: Malcolm Gladwell  

Malcolm Gladwell is a staff writer at The New Yorker. His new podcast is Revisionist History.

“The amount of criticism you get is a constant function of the size of your audience. So if you think that, generously speaking, 80% of the people who read your work like it, that means if you sell ten books you have two enemies. And if you sell a million books you have 200,000 enemies. So be careful what you wish for. The volume of critics grows linearly with the size of your audience.”

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@Gladwell Gladwell.com Gladwell on Longform [00:15] Malcolm Gladwell on the Longform Podcast [00:15] Revisionist History [08:30] "Episode 01: The Lady Vanishes" (Revisionist History • Jun 2016) [08:30] "Episode 03: The Big Man Can’t Shoot" (Revisionist History • Jun 2016) [08:30] "Episode 02: Saigon, 1965" (Revisionist History • Jun 2016) [10:30] "Hulk Hogan v. Gawker: A Guide to the Trial for the Perplexed" (The New York Times • Mar 2016) [19:30] "Episode 06: My Little Hundred Million" (Revisionist History • Jul 2016) [23:45] "Malcolm Gladwell just went nuts on a Wall Street billionaire’s $400 million donation to Harvard" (Business Insider • Jun 2015) [28:45] Gladwell on Audible [31:45] "Episode 05: Food Fight" (Revisionist History • Jul 2016) [32:30] "Episode 04: Carlos Doesn’t Remember" (Revisionist History • Jul 2016) [32:45] Nikole Hannah-Jones on the Longform Podcast [37:45] "Thresholds of Violence" (New Yorker • Oct 2015) [38:30] "Threshold Models of Collective Behavior" (American Journal of Sociology • May 1978) [43:30] The Weeds

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Episode 203: Ellis Jones  

Ellis Jones is the editor-in-chief of VICE Magazine.

“I’m just not an edgy person. You know what I mean? I think I am a nice person. I think VICE Magazine reflects the qualities that I want to have or think that I have or that my team has. The magazine would be terrible if I tried to make edgy content ... people would just see right through it. It wouldn’t be good.

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@ellisjones [00:15] "RNC 2016" (Justin Peters • Atavist Magazine • Jul 2016) [6:45] Balls Deep (VICELAND • 2016) [15:15] Motherboard [17:45] "Inside the Unregulated Chinese Hospitals That Make Men Impotent" (R.W. McMorrow • VICE Magazine • May 2016) [21:00] VICE (HBO • 2016) [21:00] VICE News [21:15] Dos & Don’ts Archive at VICE [22:00] "Is Vice Getting Nice?" (Carrie Battan • New York • Apr 2015) [25:45] The Prison Issue (VICE Magazine • 2015) [26:15] "How the Killing of a Trans Filipina Woman Ignited an International Incident" (Meredith Talusan • VICE Magazine • Feb 2015)

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Episode 202: David Remnick  

David Remnick is the editor of The New Yorker.

“I think it’s important — not just for me, but for the readers — that this thing exists at the highest possible level in 2016, in 2017, and on. That there’s a continuity to it. I know, because I’m not entirely stupid, that these institutions, no matter how good they are, all institutions are innately fragile. Innately fragile.”

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Remnick on Longform [2:00] This week's New Yorker cover [5:45] "Cover Story: Bert and Ernie’s ‘Moment of Joy’" (Françoise Mouly, Mina Kaneko • New Yorker • Jun 2013) [9:00] "David Remnick Looks Back on Tough Decisions as ‘The New Yorker’ Turns 90" (Fresh Air • Feb 2015) [11:15] "Going the Distance" (New Yorker • Jan 2014) [15:00] The Bridge: The Life and Rise of Barack Obama (Vintage Books • 2010) [15:15] "Soul Survivor" (New Yorker • Apr 2016) [17:15] The New Yorker Radio Hour [25:00] "Sending Smoke Signals to Our Former Editor in Chief" (Justin Cook • The Smoke Signal • Apr 2015) [27:45] I Married a Communist: American Trilogy (Philip Roth • Houghton Mifflin Company • 1994) [29:45] Lenin’s Tomb: The Last Days of the Soviet Empire (Vintage Books • 1994) [30:00] "The Struggle for Memory" (John Lloyd • The New York Times • May 1993) [43:15] "Beyond the Soviet Abyss" (Washington Post • Mar 1991) [48:30] "Journey to Jihad" (Ben Taub • New Yorker • Jun 2015) [50:00] Wesley Morris on the Longform Podcast [51:45] King of the World: Muhammad Ali and the Rise of an American Hero (Vintage Books • 1998) [53:15] The 40s: The Story of a Decade (New Yorker, Henry Finder • Random House • 2014) [53:15] The 50s: The Story of a Decade (New Yorker, Henry Finder • Random House • 2015) [53:15] The 60s: The Story of a Decade (New Yorker, Henry Finder • Random House • 2016) [55:00] "The Crackin’, Shakin’, Breakin’ Sounds" (Nat Hentoff • New Yorker • Oct 1964) [55:40] "Letter From a Region in My Mind" (James Baldwin • New Yorker • Nov 1962) [56:00] The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11 (Lawrence Wright • Vintage Books • 2007)

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Episode 201: T. Christian Miller & Ken Armstrong  

T. Christian Miller, senior investigative reporter at ProPublica, and Ken Armstrong, staff writer at The Marshall Project, co-wrote the Pulitzer-winning article, “An Unbelievable Story of Rape.”

“I won’t forget this: when T. and I talked on the phone and agreed that we were going to work on [“An Unbelievable Story of Rape”] together, T. created a Google Drive site, and we decided we’d both dump all our documents in it. And I remember seeing all the records that T. had gathered in Colorado, and then I dumped all the records that I had gathered in Washington, and it was like each of us had half of a phenomenal story. And in one day, by dumping our notes into a common file, we suddenly had a whole story.”

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@txtianmiller Miller on Longform @bykenarmstrong bykenarmstrong.com Armstrong on Longform ProPublica The Marshall Project [:30] "An Unbelievable Story of Rape" (ProPublica, The Marshall Project • Dec 2015) [05:30] Joe Sexton on the Longform Podcast [08:30] "Upon Further Review: Inside the Police Failure to Stop Darren Sharper’s Rape Spree" (T. Christian Miller, Ryan Gabrielson • ProPublica, New Orleans Advocate, Sports Illustrated • Apr 2015) [16:45] "581: Anatomy of Doubt" (This American Life • Feb 2016) [50:00] Firestone and the Warlord (Frontline, ProPublica • 2014)

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Episode 200: Jack Hitt  

Jack Hitt contributes to Harper’s, The New York Times Magazine, and This American Life.

“I’ve always lived more or less unemployed in these markets, and happily so. I think being unemployed keeps you a little more sharp in terms of looking for stories. It never gets any easier. That motivation and that desperation, whatever you want to call that, is still very much behind many of the conversations I have all day long trying to find those threads, those strings, that are going to pull together and turn into something.”

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@JackHitt Hitt on Longform [1:15] Episode #157: Margo Jefferson [1:30] Episode #129: Rukmini Callimachi [1:30] Episode #156: Renata Adler [3:15] "This Is Your Brain on God" (Wired • Nov 1999) [3:45] "61: Fiasco!" (This American Life • Apr 1997) [4:00] Hitt's This American Life Archive [4:30] "323: The Super" (This American Life • Jan 2007) [6:15] "The Billion-Dollar Shack" (New York Times Magazine • Dec 2000) [6:30] "Slumlord" (The Moth • Apr 2006) [25:30] "The $19,000 press pass: A former journalism school dean asks, is it work it?" (Carolyn Lewis • Washington Monthly • 1986) [32:00] The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence (Victor Marchetti & John D. Marks • Alfred A. Knopf • 1974) [37:00] "What Did Noah Do With the Manure?" (Washington Monthly • Feb 1987) [pdf] [38:00] "Terminal Delinquents" (with Paul Tough • Esquire • Dec 1990) [41:30] "Toxic Dreams" (Harper’s • Jul 1995) [sub req’d] [46:30] White Noise (Don DeLillo • Penguin Books • 1984) [55:30] "15: Dawn" (This American Life • Feb 1996)


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Episode 199: Kathryn Schulz  

Kathryn Schulz is a staff writer for The New Yorker. "The Really Big One," her article about the rupturing of the Cascadia fault line, won the 2016 Pulitzer Prize.

“I can tell you in absolute sincerity: I didn't realize I was writing a scary story. Obviously I know the earthquake is going to be terrifying, and that our lack of preparedness is genuinely really scary. But, as I think often happens as a reporter, you toggle between professional happiness, which is sometimes, frankly, even professional glee—you’re just so thrilled you’re getting what you’re getting—and then the sort of more human and humane response, which comes every time you really set down your pen and think about what it is you’re actually reporting about.”

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@kathrynschulz Schulz on Longform [04:15] Schulz’s book criticism for New York [07:45] Grist [08:15] "The Really Big One" (New Yorker • Jul 2015) [29:15] "Citizen Khan" (New Yorker • Jun 2016) [33:15] Being Wrong: Adventures in the Margin of Error (Ecco • 2010) [35:30] "On being wrong" (TED • Mar 2011) [38:45] "Group Think" (New York • Mar 2011) [45:30] "How to Stay Safe When the Big One Comes" (New Yorker • Jul 2015) [55:45] Dwight Garner’s Archive at The New York Times

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Bonus Episode: Shane Bauer  

Shane Bauer, a senior reporter for Mother Jones, spent four months working undercover as a guard in a private prison.

“The thing that I grappled with the most afterward was a feeling of shame about who I was as a guard and some of the things that I had done. Sending people to solitary confinement is hard to come to terms with even though, in that situation, I don't know what else I could have done. ... I had to do what I could to keep myself safe.”

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@shane_bauer shanebauer.net Bauer on Longform [7:00] ABC News v. Food Lion [7:45] Newjack: Guarding Sing-Sing (Ted Conover • Vintage • 2000) [19:30] "Solitary in Iran Nearly Broke Me. Then I Went Inside America's Prisons." (Mother Jones • Oct 2012) [46:30] "The Man Inside" (Reveal • June 2016)

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