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A weekly conversation with a non-fiction writer about how they got their start, how they work, and how they tell stories. Co-produced by Longform and The Atavist.


Episode 222: Wesley Lowery  

Wesley Lowery is a national reporter at the Washington Post, where he worked on the Pulitzer-winning project, "Fatal Force." His new book is They Can’t Kill Us All: Ferguson, Baltimore, and a New Era in America’s Racial Justice Movement.

“I think that we decided at some point that either you are a journalist or you are an activist. And I identify as a journalist, to be clear, but one of the reasons I often don’t engage in that conversation—when someone throws that back at me I kind of deflect a little bit—is that I think there’s some real fallacy in there. I think that every journalist should be an activist for transparency, for accountability—certainly amongst our government, for first amendment rights. There are things that by our nature of what we do we should be extremely activist.”

Thanks to MailChimp, Harry’s, Casper, and School of the Arts Institute of Chicago for sponsoring this week's episode.

@WesleyLowery [03:15] Detroit Free Press [03:15] The Plain Dealer [03:15] North Jersey [03:15] Diversity Inc. [03:15] Black Enterprise [05:00] They Can’t Kill Us All: Ferguson, Baltimore, and a New Era in America’s Racial Justice Movement (Little, Brown and Company • 2016) [05:45] "Same-sex marriage is gaining momentum, but some advocates don’t want it on the ballot in Ohio" (Washington Post • Jun 2014) [06:00] "Senate votes to restore federal funding for extended unemployment benefits" (Washington Post • Apr 2014) [06:15] "Congressional Democrats to introduce new Voting Rights Act fix" (Washington Post • Jun 2015) [07:30] "Police use tear gas on crowd in Ferguson, Mo., protesting teen’s death" (Washington Post • Aug 2014) [10:45] "The story behind that Boston Marathon photo of runners carrying a competitor toward the finish" (Washington Post • Apr 2014) [10:45] "Aaron Hernandez indicted, accused of killing two men in 2012" (Washington Post • May 2014) [13:15] O.J.: Made in America [30:00] "Fatal Force" (Washington Post • 2015) [31:30] "The DC Investigates: Is WaPo’s Wesley Lowery Black?" (Betsy Rothstein • Daily Caller • Dec 2014) [40:15] "Police: Multiple witnesses say Antonio Martin pulled gun on officer" (Washington Post • Dec 2014)

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Episode 221: Adam Moss  

Adam Moss is the editor of New York Magazine.

“I think [change] is good for journalism—it’s what journalism is about. You can’t write about something static. News is about what is new. So there’s plenty of new right now. I’m not saying it’s good for the citizenry or anything like that, but, yeah, for journalists it’s an extremely interesting time. There’s no denying that.”

Thanks to MailChimp, BarkBox, Squarespace, and Sock Fancy for sponsoring this week's episode.

[03:15] "Meet the Editor: Adam Moss" (Brian Lehrer Show • Dec 2013) [07:00] "America Has Never Been So Ripe for Tyranny" (Andrew Sullivan • New York • May 2016) [20:45] Rolling Stone College Papers [32:15] "The Media Business; Lack of Ads Kills 7 Days Magazine" (Kim Foltz • New York Times • Apr 1990) [36:30] "Why isn’t this man famous?" (Simon Houpt • Globe and Mail • Jun 2001) [38:00] "The Best of Michael Pollan for The New York Times" (New York Times Magazine • Oct 2016) [38:00] Michael Lewis’s New York Times archive [38:00] Lynn Hirschberg’s New York Times archive [39:45] "Saint Hillary" (Michael Kelly • New York Times Magazine • May 1993) [44:45] "A City Built of Clay" (Tom Wolfe • New York • Jul 2008) [48:00] Vulture [48:15] The Cut [51:45] Frank Rich’s New York archive [51:45] Andrew Sullivan’s New York archive [57:15] The Strategist

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Episode 220: Kyle Chayka  

Kyle Chayka is a freelance writer who writes for Businessweek, The Verge, Racked, The New Yorker, and more.

“I love that idea of form and content being the same. I want to write about lifestyle in a lifestyle magazine. I want to critique technology in the form of technology, and kind of have the piece be this infiltrating force that explodes from within or whatever. You want something that gets into the space, and sneaks in, and then blows up.”

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@chaykak kchayka.tumblr.com Chayka on Longform [02:00] Study Hall [04:30] Chayka’s Tufts Daily Archive [06:00] "Welcome to Airspace" (The Verge • Aug 2016) [06:45] "The Last Lifestyle Magazine" (Racked • Mar 2016) [17:15] "Reign, Supreme" (Racked • Jul 2016) [19:00] David Grann on the Longform Podcast [20:00] Peter Schjeldahl’s New Yorker Archive [20:15] Jerry Saltz’s New York Archive [20:15] Roberta Smith’s New York Times Archive [20:45] "Living on a Prayer" (Curbed • Apr 2016) [24:15] "Facebook’s Zuckerberg Says Fake News and Echo Chambers Didn’t Drive Election" (Sarah Frier • Bloomberg • Nov 2016) [30:45] "The Library of Last Resort" (n+1 • Jul 2016) [36:30] "Unfollow" (Adrian Chen • New Yorker • Nov 2015)

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Episode 219: Susan Casey  

Susan Casey is the former editor of O and the author of three New York Times bestselling books. Her latest is Voices in the Ocean: A Journey into the Wild and Haunting World of Dolphins.

“The funny thing is people often say, ‘You must be fearless.’ I’m always afraid of whatever it is. But for whatever reason—I think it’s partly naïvety, partly just overwhelming curiosity—I am also not going to let fear stop me from doing things even if I feel it. Unless it’s that pure …you do have to listen to your body sometimes if it tells you not to do something that could result in you really never coming up from falling on that 70-foot wave.”

Thanks to MailChimp, HelloFresh, and Squarespace, and for sponsoring this week's episode.

susancasey.com [01:00] The Devil’s Teeth: A True Story of Obsession and Survival Among America’s Great White Sharks (Henry Holt & Company • 2006) [01:00] The Wave: In Pursuit of the Rogues, Freaks, and Giants of the Ocean (First Anchor Books • 2011) [01:00] Voices in the Ocean: A Journey into the Wild and Haunting World of Dolphins (First Anchor Books • 2016) [01:15] O Magazine [01:15] Time Inc. [07:15] "Into Thin Air" (Jon Krakauer • Outside • Sep 1996) [sub req'd] [07:30] "The Post-Communist Wolf" (David Quammen • Outside • Dec 2000) [07:30] Hampton Sides’s Archive at Outside [08:15] "Life’s Swell" (Susan Orlean • Outside • Aug 2002) [11:30] "Vanish" (Evan Ratliff • Wired • Dec 2009) [20:30] BBC Wildlife Special—Great White Shark: The Silent Stalker [26:00] "The Jaws Paradigm" (Sports Illustrated • Aug 2006) [26:00] Casey’s Archive at Fortune [26:30] Force of Nature: Mind, Body, Soul, and, of course, Surfing (Laird Hamilton • Rodale Books • 2008) [27:15] "The World’s Healthiest 75-Year-Old Man" (Esquire • May 2008) [28:00] "The Overstimulated Girl: A Better Head of Hair" (Esquire • Oct 2007) [42:30] Erik Larson on the Longform Podcast


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Episode 218: Wesley Morris  

Wesley Morris is a critic at large for The New York Times, a staff writer for The New York Times Magazine, and the co-host of Still Processing. His latest article is "Last Taboo: Why Pop Culture Just Can’t Deal With Black Male Sexuality."

“You learn a lot of things about your sexuality at an early age. You know, I learned that your penis is a problem for white people, that you can’t be too openly sexual in general because that could get you in trouble because someone could misconstrue what you’re doing, and, in my case, I also knew I was gay. So I had to deal with, ‘Ok so my dick is a problem in general, and I’m not even interested in putting my penis where it’s supposed to go. This is going to be bad.’”

Thanks to Audible, Casper, Squarespace, and MailChimp for sponsoring this week's episode.

@Wesley_Morris Morris on Longform [00:45] Wesley Morris on the Longform Podcast [01:15] Still Processing [01:45] "Last Taboo" (New York Times Magazine • Oct 2016) [03:15] Playing Dead: A Journey Through the World of Death Fraud (Elizabeth Greenwood • Simon & Schuster • 2016) [08:45] "Dumber Than Your Average Bear" (Grantland • Jun 2015)

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Episode 217: Doreen St. Félix  

Doreen St. Félix is a writer at MTV News.

“It feels like there are images of black utopias that are arising. And you can’t—even if you’re not as superstitious as me—you can’t possibly think that that doesn’t have to do with the decline, the final, to me, last gasp of white supremacy. It really does feel like we’re approaching that, [but] that approach might be a thousand years.”

Thanks to MailChimp, Texture, Harry’s, and HelloFresh, for sponsoring this week's episode.

@dstfelix [7:45] "'Empire’ Season 2, Episode 8: Hakeem, No Lyon" (New York Times • Nov 2015) [10:30] "Jennifer Lawrence: 'Why Do I Make Less Than My Male Co-Stars?'" (Jennifer Lawrence • Lenny • Oct 2015) [11:30] "Out of Print: The Fultz Quadruplets" (Lenny • Feb 2016) [16:15] "The Prosperity Gospel of Rihanna" (Pitchfork • Apr 2015) [18:30] "On Carefree Black Boys" (MTV News • Sep 2016) [22:00] "In Solange’s Room" (MTV News • Oct 2016) [23:30] "The Ecstasy of Frank Ocean" (MTV News • Aug 2016) [24:30] "A Love Profane" (MTV News • Apr 2016) [26:00] The Birth of a Nation [30:00] Atlanta [30:00] Moonlight [31:00] Queen Sugar [35:30] "An Honest Conversation with Solange Knowles" (Anupa Mistry • Fader • Sep 2016) [36:00] "Filmmaker Letter: Moonlight" (Barry Jenkins • Landmark Theatres • Oct 2016) [40:30] "The Gospel According to Kirk Franklin" (MTV News • Oct 2016) [40:45] "Ratology" (New Yorker • Nov 2015) [48:00] "The only thing ‘uncivilised’ about Ray Kelly’s talk at Brown was inviting him" (Guardian • Oct 2013) [54:00] "North West and Blue Ivy Carter Have Never ‘Played Together,’ Says Kanye West" (Josh Duboff • Vanity Fair • Oct 2016) [1:00:00] Speed Dial

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Episode 216: Emily Witt  

Emily Witt is a freelance writer and the author of Future Sex.

“I think I had always thought that—maybe this is coming from a WASPy, protestant background—if I presented myself as overtly sexual in any way, it would be a huge turnoff. That they would see me as a certain type of person. They wouldn’t have respect for me. And I thought this both professionally—I thought maybe writing this book was going to be really bad for my career, that nobody would take me seriously anymore—and also that nobody would want to date me if I was too honest. In both counts the opposite happened.”

Thanks to MailChimp, Audible, and Wunder Capital for sponsoring this week's episode.

@embot emilywitt.net Witt on Longform [02:45] Future Sex (Farrar, Straus & Giroux • 2016) [03:00] "Online Dating Diary" (London Review of Books • Oct 2012) [03:15] Witt’s Archive at The Observer [05:30] Witt’s Archive at Miami New Times [05:45] "Cinema é Luxo" (n+1 • Oct 2009) [sub req’d] [06:15] "Miami Party Boom" (n+1 • Mar 2010) [sub req’d] [06:30] Gus Garcia-Roberts on Longform [09:30] Thy Neighbor’s Wife (Gay Talese • Harper Perennial • 2009) [10:00] "An Evening in the Nude with Gay Talese" (Aaron Latham • New York • Jul 1973) [11:15] "That Room in Cambridge" (n+1 • Mar 2011) [sub req’d] [19:15] "What Do You Desire?" (n+1 • Mar 2013) [38:45] "The Trip Planners" (New Yorker • Nov 2015) [48:00] How Music Got Free: A Story of Obsession and Invention (Stephen Witt • Penguin Books • 2015) [48:15] Minnesota Monthly [50:45] "Burning Man Diary" (London Review of Books • Jul 2014)

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Episode 215: Krista Tippett  

Krista Tippett is the host of On Being and the author of Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living.

“Good journalists in newsrooms hold themselves to primitive standards when they’re covering religious ideas and people. They’re sloppy and simplistic in a way that they would never be with a political or economic person or idea. I mean they get facts wrong. They generalize. Because they don’t take it seriously, and they don’t know how to take it seriously.”

Thanks to MailChimp, Winc, and Squarespace for sponsoring this week's episode.

@kristatippett [00:30] On Being [01:15] Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living (Penguin Press • 2016) [01:45] "MailChimp and the Un-Silicon Valley Way to Make It as a Start-Up" (Farhad Manjoo • New York Times • Oct 2016) [05:15] The Brown Daily Herald [11:30] "Mengele Casts Shadow on a Bavarian Town" (New York Times • Jun 1985) [20:00] "West Germans Protest Nuclear Missiles For 4th Day" (John Tagliabue • New York Times • Apr 1983) [38:15] The Nantucket Project [46:15] "The Poetry of Ordinary Time" (On Being • Aug 2014) [54:00] The Unedited Episode of “Randomness and Choice" (On Being • Oct 2016)

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Episode 214: Luke Dittrich  

Luke Dittrich is a contributing editor at Esquire. His new book is Patient H.M.: A Story of Memory, Madness, and Family Secrets.

“As soon as I told [my mom] that I got my first book deal for this story about Patient H.M., her first words were, ‘Oh no.’ That was sort of her gut reaction to it because, I think, she knew at a certain level that I was going to be dredging up very painful stories. And I think at that point even she didn’t know the depth of the pain that some of the stories that I was going to find were going to lay out there.”

Thanks to MailChimp, EA SPORTS FIFA 17, Squarespace, Wunder, and Audible for sponsoring this week's episode.

Dittrich on Longform [2:15] Longform Podcast #66: Andy Ward [2:45] "The Brain That Couldn’t Remember" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2016) [4:15] "Possessed" (Atlanta Magazine • Nov 2003) [Google Books] [4:15] "The Red Zone" (Atlanta Magazine • Jul 2004) [Google Books] [4:30] Patient H.M.: A Story of Memory, Madness, and Family Secrets (Random House • 2016) [12:00] "The Brain That Changed Everything" (Esquire • Oct 2010) [13:30] The Alexandria Quartet (Lawrence Durrell • Pocket Books • 1977) [16:00] Egypt Today [20:15] journalismjobs.com [18:15] Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil: A Savannah Story (John Berendt • Vintage Books • 1999) [19:15] "Pageants Are My Life" (Oxford American • May 2001) [sub req’d] [24:00] "H.M., an Unforgettable Amnesiac, Dies at 82" (Benedict Carey • New York Times • Dec 2008) [32:30] "A Book Examines the Curious Case of a Man Whose Memory Was Removed" (Seth Mnookin • New York Times • Aug 2016) [37:15] "Faculty at MIT and beyond respond forcefully to an article critical of Suzanne Corkin" (MIT News Office • MIT News • Aug 2016) [37:45] "Questions & Answers about ‘Patient H.M.’" (Medium • Aug 2016) [43:00] "Tonight on Dateline This Man Will Die" (Esquire • Sep 2007) [43:00] "The Prophet" (Esquire • Jul 2013) [46:30] Chris Hansen’s new “predator” project [47:00] "Esquire Article on Eben Alexander Distorts the Facts" (Robert Mays • International Association For Near Death Studies • Aug 2013) [48:45] Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon’s Journey into the Afterlife (Eben Alexander • Simon & Schuster • 2012) [50:45] "'Heavenly Father!' 'I love you all!' 'I love everyone!' 'Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus!' 'I love all of you!'" (Esquire • Sep 2011) [51:30] "Chuck Berry Goddamn!" (Esquire • Dec 2011)

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Episode 213: A.J. Daulerio  

A.J. Daulerio is the former editor-in-chief of Gawker.

“The choices they’ve given me are take back everything that you loved about Nick [Denton], Gawker, and your job, and we’ll give you your $1,000 back or your ability to make money. You can walk away from this, but you just can’t talk about it ever again. I don’t see there’s any question for me. I definitely thought long and hard about it, and I’ve talked to a lot of people about it. It’s just not in me. Some days I absolutely wish I could say, ‘Is there a phone call I could make to make this all go away?’ Because I want my life back. That’s happened. But for the most part I just think I would regret doing that.”

Thanks to MailChimp, EA SPORTS FIFA 17, School of the Arts Institute of Chicago, Casper, and Texture for sponsoring this week's episode.

Daulerio on Longform [18:00] Gabriel Sherman on the Longform Podcast [24:30] "This Is Apple’s Next iPhone" (Jason Chen • Gizmodo • Apr 2010) [28:15] Leah Finnegan on the Longform Podcast [29:15] "’Brett Favre Once Sent Me Cock Shots’: Not a Love Story" (Deadspin • Aug 2010) [35:30] "Even for a Minute, Watching Hulk Hogan Have Sex in a Canopy Bed is Not Safe For Work but Watch it Anyway" (Gawker • Oct 2012) [39:30] "Did I Kill Gawker?" (Max Read • Select All • Aug 2016) [40:00] Ratter [44:00] "Gawker Editor’s Testimony Stuns Courtroom in Hulk Hogan Trial" (Nick Madigan • New York Times • Mar 2016) [49:30] Nick Denton’s statement about the Geithner story [49:30] "New Gawker will be ’20 percent nicer,’ Denton tells staff" (Peter Sterne • Politico • Jul 2015)

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Episode 212: Julia Turner  

Julia Turner is editor-in-chief of Slate.

“That’s what we’ve been focused on: trying to double down on the stuff that feels distinctive and original. Because if you spend all your time on a social platform, and a bunch of media brands are optimizing all their content for that social platform, all those media brands’ headlines say the same, all the content is pretty interchangeable. It turns media into this commodity where then what is the point of developing a media company for 20 years? You might as well take the Silicon Valley approach and just make a new one every three years for whatever that moment is.”

Thanks to MailChimp, Audible, and Igloo for sponsoring this week's episode.

@juliaturner [03:15] Michael Kinsley on the cover of Newsweek [06:15] Slate Plus [07:45] Turner’s Slate Archive [08:00] Other Magazines on Slate [24:00] "The Secret Language of Signs" (Slate • Mar 2010) [33:30] "In Defense of the Take" (Slate • Apr 2015) [35:30] John Herrman's "Content Wars" Series [37:00] "BuzzFeed v CNN: How One Snarky Comment Ignited a Fight for the Future of News" (Itay Hod • The Wrap • Aug 2016) [43:45] Political Gabfest [43:45] Culture Gabfest [46:30] DoubleX Gabfest [48:00] Panoply [51:00] "The State of Slate" (Slate • Jul 2014) [sub req’d] [53:00] "A Death in Yellowstone" (Jessica Grose • Slate • Apr 2012) [53:00] "What Really Happened to Phoebe Prince?" (Emily Bazelon • Slate • Jul 2010) [53:00] "The United States of Inequality" (Timothy Noah • Slate • Sep 2010) [53:00] "The Welfare Queen" (Josh Levin • Slate • Dec 2013) [53:30] "Prog Spring" (David Weigel • Slate • Aug 2012) [55:15] "Bartleby, the Scrivener" (Herman Melville, Andrew Kahn • Slate • Oct 2015) [56:15] Cover Stories on Slate [57:30] "191 Things Donald Trump Has Said and Done That Make Him Unfit to Be President" (Chris Kirk, Ian Prasad Philbrick, Gabriel Roth • Slate • Sep 2016) [58:00] "Why Slate Will Break the Traditional Information Embargo on Nov. 8." (Slate • Sep 2016) [1:00:30] Sasha Issenberg’s Slate Archive

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Episode 211: Naomi Zeichner  

Naomi Zeichner is editor-in-chief of The Fader.

“Right now in rap there’s kind of a huge tired idea that kids are trying to kill their idols, and kids have no respect for history, and kids are making bastardized crazy music, and how dare they? I just don’t even know why we still care about this false dichotomy. Kids are coming from where they come from, they’re going where they’re going. And it’s like, do you want to try to learn about where they’re coming from and where they’re going, or do you not?”

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@nomizeichner Zeichner on Longform [05:00] "Zayn Malik’s Next Direction" (Duncan Cooper • The Fader • Nov 2015) [10:30] "Gucci Free" (Andrew Nosnitsky • The Fader • Jul 2016) [17:00] "America Is Brutal and Meek Mill Is a Hero" (Will Stephenson • The Fader • May 2015) [17:30] "Rae Sremmurd’s Best Life" (The Fader • Jun 2016) [25:00] Young Thug on YouTube [30:00] Flagpole [32:45] "Yo-Yo Ma, The Silk Road Ensemble—Empire State of Mind" (YouTube) [43:30] David Remnick on the Longform Podcast


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Episode 210: Ben Taub  

Ben Taub is a contributing writer at The New Yorker.

“I don’t think it’s my place to be cynical because I’ve observed some of the horrors of the Syrian War through these various materials, but it’s Syrians that are living them. It’s Syrians that are being largely ignored by the international community and by a lot of political attention on ISIS. And I think that it wouldn’t be my place to be cynical when some of them still aren’t.”

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@bentaub91 Taub on Longform [02:45] David Remnick on the Longform Podcast [08:45] "Was U.S. Journalist Steven Sotloff a Marked Man?" (Daily Beast • Sep 2014) [28:00] Taub on The Voice (YouTube) [33:00] "Journey to Jihad" (New Yorker • Jun 2015) [49:00] Rukmini Callimachi on the Longform Podcast (Part 1) [49:00] Rukmini Callimachi on the Longform Podcast (Part 2) [50:30] "The Shadow Doctors" (New Yorker • Jun 2016) [50:30] "The Assad Files" (New Yorker • Apr 2016) [52:00] "’They were torturing to kill’: inside Syria’s death machine" (Guardian • Oct 2015)

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Episode 209: Sarah Schweitzer  

Sarah Schweitzer is a former feature writer for the Boston Globe.

“I just am drawn, I think, to the notion that we start out as these creatures that just want love and were programmed that way—to try to find it and to make our lives whole. We are, as humans, so strong in that way. We get knocked down, and adults do some horrible things to us because adults have had horrible things done to [them]. There are some terrible cycles in this world. But there’s always this opportunity to stop that cycle. And there are people who come along who do try that in their own flawed ways.”

Thanks to MailChimp and AlarmGrid for sponsoring this week's episode.

@SarahSchweitzer Schweitzer on Longform [2:45] With Her [3:15] Pineapple Street Media [4:45] "The life and times of Strider Wolf" (Boston Globe • Nov 2015) [16:45] Random Family: Love, Drugs, Trouble, and Coming of Age in the Bronx (Adrian Nicole LeBlanc • Scribner • 2004) [27:45] "Only a few tackle the trying times" (St. Petersburg Times • Oct 2000) [32:45] "Chasing Bayla" (Boston Globe • Oct 2014) [38:00] "Struggling town votes to end itself" (Boston Globe • Mar 2004)

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Episode 208: Rachel Monroe  

Rachel Monroe is a freelance writer based in Texas.

“I will totally go emotionally deep with people. If I can find a subject who is into that then it will probably be a good story. Whether that person is a victim of a crime, or a committer of a crime, or a woman who spends a lot of time on the internet looking for hoaxes, or whatever it may be—I guess I just think people are interesting. Particularly when those people have gone through some sort of extreme situation.”

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@rachmonroe rachel-monroe.com Monroe on Longform [00:45] "Fire Behavior" (Oxford American • Apr 2014) [01:00] Love and Ruin: Tales of Obsession, Danger, and Heartbreak from the Atavist Magazine (W.W. Norton & Company • 2016) [04:45] "From Pickup Artist to Pariah" (New York • Jan 2016) [15:45] "Evil Genius" (Pacific Standard • Sep 2015) [18:15] "Have You Ever Thought About Killing Someone?" (Matter • Apr 2015) [42:00] "Cancer Cons, Phoney Accidents and Fake Deaths: Meet the Internet Hoax Buster" (The Guardian • Feb 2016)

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Episode 207: McKay Coppins  

McKay Coppins is a senior political writer for Buzzfeed News and the author of The Wilderness: Deep Inside the Republican Party's Combative, Contentious, Chaotic Quest to Take Back the White House.

“I am part of the problem. Not in the sense that it’s my fault Trump ran, but in the sense that I’m one of many who for his entire life have mocked him and ridiculed him. He’s a billionaire—I don’t feel any moral guilt about it. But if being I’m honest with myself that same part of me can also, when not checked, be projected onto vast swathes of people. It’s easy to have a lazy classism about the type of people who would vote for Donald Trump.”

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Show Notes:

@mckaycoppins McKay Coppins’ Buzzfeed Archive [2:28] "A Mormon Reporter On The Romney Bus" (Buzzfeed • Nov 2012 [10:56] No Man Knows My History (Fawn M Brodie • Vintage • 1995) [11:18] Rough Stone Rolling (Richard Lyman Bushman • Vintage • 2007) [14:20] 36 Hours On The Fake Campaign Trail With Donald Trump(Buzzfeed • Feb 2014) [25:40] The Wilderness: Deep Inside the Republican Party's Combative, Contentious, Chaotic Quest to Take Back the White House (Little, Brown • 2015) [30:05] Donald Trump’s Mormon Problem (New York Times • Jun 2016) [32:35] "Trump Campaign Rally Erupts In Chaos And Ugly Confrontation " (Buzzfeed • Dec 2015)

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Episode 206: Gabriel Sherman  

Gabriel Sherman is the national affairs editor at New York and the author of the New York Times best-seller The Loudest Voice in the Room: How the Brilliant, Bombastic Roger Ailes Built Fox News—and Divided a Country.

“There was a time when we got death threats at home. Some crank called and said, ‘We’re gonna come after you. You’re coming after the right, we’re gonna get you.’ That was scary because, again, you don’t know if it’s just a crank when you have right wing websites that are turning you into a target. You know, it’s one thing if they do it with a politician. They have security or handlers—I don’t have any of that.”

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Special 'Love and Ruin' Reissue: Jon Mooallem  

Jon Mooallem is the author of "American Hippopotamus," a story included in Love and Ruin, the new Atavist Magazine collection. Buy your copy today.

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Episode 205: Ezra Klein  

Ezra Klein the editor-in-chief of Vox.

“I think that if any of these big players collapse, when their obits are written, it’ll be because they did too much. I’m not saying I think any of them in particular are doing too much. But I do think, when I look around and I think, ‘What is the danger here? What is the danger for Vox?’ I think it is losing too much focus because you’re trying to do too many things.”

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@ezraklein Klein on Longform Vox [01:00] The Ezra Klein Show [2:00] The Weeds [2:45] Ezra Klein’s Blog [5:00] "Jesse Eisenberg on Jewish humor, writing lessons, and interrogating strangers" (The Ezra Klein Show • Jun 2016) [8:45] Videos on Vox [11:15] Wonkblog [16:00] "If you are losing faith in human nature, go out and watch a marathon" (Washington Post • Apr 2013) [21:30] Matthew Yglesias’s Blog [23:45] What It Takes: The Way to the White House (Richard Ben Cramer • Vintage Books • 1993) [25:15] Ezra Klein’s Washington Monthly Archive [26:30] Ezra Klein’s American Prospect Archive [34:15] "Top Wonkblog Columnist to Leave Washington Post" (Ravi Somaiya • New York Times • Jan 2014) [49:15] The Verge [49:15] Eater [49:15] SB Nation [49:15] Polygon [49:15] Curbed [49:15] Recode [49:15] Racked [1:00:30] Card Stacks on Vox [1:03:00] Ezra Klein’s New Yorker Archive

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Episode 204: Malcolm Gladwell  

Malcolm Gladwell is a staff writer at The New Yorker. His new podcast is Revisionist History.

“The amount of criticism you get is a constant function of the size of your audience. So if you think that, generously speaking, 80% of the people who read your work like it, that means if you sell ten books you have two enemies. And if you sell a million books you have 200,000 enemies. So be careful what you wish for. The volume of critics grows linearly with the size of your audience.”

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