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A weekly conversation with a non-fiction writer about how they got their start, how they work, and how they tell stories. Co-produced by Longform and The Atavist.


Episode 233: Alexis C. Madrigal  

Alexis C. Madrigal is an editor-at-large for Fusion, where he’s producing the upcoming podcast, Containers.

“Sometimes you think like, 'Man the media business is the worst. This is so hard.' When you spend time with all these other business people, you probably are going to say, ‘Capitalism is the worst. This is hard.’ Competition that’s linked to global things is so hard because global companies are locked in this incredible efficiency battle that just drives all of the slack out of the system. Like media, there’s no slack left, and I don’t know where things go after that.”

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@alexismadrigal alexismadrigal.com Madrigal on Longform [00:00] Longform Podcast Survey [03:00] Madrigal’s Archive at The Atlantic [03:45] Consumer Conspicuous [05:00] Ross Andersen on the Longform Podcast [05:30] "First-Gen T. Rex Was No Bigger Than You" (Wired • Sep 2009) [06:45] Powering the Dream: The History and Promise of Green Technology (Da Capo Press • 2011) [12:45] Nuzzel [15:30] "BuzzFeed editor-in-chief in year-end memo: ‘Fake news will become more sophisticated’ than ever in 2017" (Oliver Darcy • Business Insider • Dec 2016) [19:00] "The alpha dog that wouldn’t hunt: How Trump’s ludicrous ‘alpha male’ act is destroying him" (Matthew Rozsa • Salon • Oct 2016) [24:00] "How Google Builds Its Maps—and What It Means for the Future of Everything" (Atlantic • Sep 2012) [27:45] "A Fleet of One" (John McPhee • New Yorker • Feb 2003) [28:15] Uncommon Carriers (John McPhee • Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 2006) [29:15] Madrigal’s Archive at Fusion [29:15] Real Future [37:45] Slacker [46:00] "American Aqueduct: The Great California Water Saga" (Atlantic • Feb 2014) [48:45] Madrigal’s Archive at NPR

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Episode 232: Ana Marie Cox  

Ana Marie Cox is the senior political correspondent for MTV News, conducts the “Talk” interviews in The New York Times Magazine, and founded Wonkette.

“When people are sending me hate mail or threats, one defense I have against that is ‘you don’t know me.’ You know? That wasn’t something I always was able to say. As I’ve become a stronger person, it’s been easier for me to be like, ‘The person they’re attacking, it’s not me.’”

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@anamariecox anamariecox.com [00:30] Missing Richard Simmons [04:15] Cox’s Archive at Suck.com [10:00] "The Uses of Enchantment" (Suck • Jul 1997) [11:00] Cox’s Archive at Mother Jones [12:15] The Chicago Maroon [12:45] "Waterworld" (Suck • Sep 1996) [21:45] "Joe Buck Knows Why You Hate Him" (New York Times Magazine • Feb 2017) [25:30] Cox’s Archive at New York Times Magazine [25:30] Cox’s Archive at GQ [29:15] "What Bush Wants You to Do" (Wonkette • Apr 2004) [30:45] "The Lost Washingtonienne" (Wonkette • May 2004) [31:30] "Washingtonienne Speaks!! Wonkette Exclusive!! Must Credit Wonkette!! The Washingtonienne Interview!!" (Wonkette • May 2004) [33:00] "Face Value" (The Baffler • 2012) [36:15] "Wonkette Founder Cox: ‘If Hillary Wins, It’ll Be Because Black and Brown People Saved Us’" (YouTube • Sep 2016) [36:30] "Watch MTV News’ Ana Marie Cox’s Emotional Reaction to Latest Trump Sexual Assault Allegations" (Media Matters • Oct 2016) [39:45] "Fans Tweet About Mental Illness to Honor Carrie Fisher" (Ryan Burleson & Tara Parker-Pope • New York Times • Dec 2016) [42:15] "Exclusive: Ana Marie Cox Tells Breitbart News Sunday About Her Coming to Christ" (Robert Wilde • Breitbart • Mar 2015) [42:30] "Why I’m Coming Out as a Christian" (Ana Marie Cox • Daily Beast • Feb 2015) [48:00] Cox’s Archive at The Guardian [50:45] Roads & Kingdoms

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Episode 231: Brooke Gladstone  

Brooke Gladstone is the host of On the Media.

“I’ve learned so much about how easy it is to redefine reality in this era of billions of filter bubbles. How easy it is to cast doubt on what is undeniably true. And I think that that’s what frightens me the most. I actually think that’s what frightens most people the most. How do we make sure that we all live in the same world? Or do we?”

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@OTMBrooke On the Media [01:00] Love and Ruin (W.W. Norton & Company • 2016) [01:15] Gladstone on the Longform Podcast [05:15] Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History [07:45] "Will the Supreme Court Stand Up to Trump?" (Linda Greenhouse • New York Times • Feb 2017) [13:00] "January Surprise" (On the Media • Jan 2017) [20:00] "Objectivity: What Is It Good For?" (On the Media • Feb 2017) [29:00] "How Trump Might Save the Media He So Despises" (On the Media • Jan 2017) [29:15] "Winter Is Coming: Prospects for the American Press Under Trump" (Jay Rosen • PressThink • Dec 2016) [40:00] "Busted: America’s Poverty Myths" (On the Media • 2016)

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Episode 230: Ezra Edelman  

Ezra Edelman is the director of O.J.: Made in America.

“When I say what I learned is that America is even more fucked up than I had previously thought, it’s that—the superficiality of it. How we are willingly seduced by these shiny people and these shiny things. And, again, when I looked at O.J.’s trajectory, that was an operating principle.”

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@ezraedelman [00:45] "Vanish" (Evan Ratliff • Wired • Nov 2009) [00:45] O.J.: Made in America [02:30] Magic & Bird: A Courtship of Rivals [10:30] The Straight Story [20:30] Tamara Rosenburg on IMDB [38:15] Caroline Waterlow on IMDB [39:15] Nina Krstic on IMDB [46:30] "What Football Does to the Brain" (Mike Orcutt • MIT Technology Review • Jan 2016) [52:15] "Most Black People Now Think O.J. Was Guilty" (Carl Bialik • FiveThirtyEight • Jun 2016)

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Episode 229: Alexey Kovalev  

Alexey Kovalev is a Moscow-based journalist and the author of the recent article, “A Message to My Doomed Colleagues in the American Media."

“It’s really disheartening to see how little it takes for people to start believing in something that directly contradicts the empirical facts that they are directly confronting. The Russian TV channel tells you that the pill is red, but the pill in front of you is blue. It completely alters the perception of reality. You don’t know what’s real anymore.”

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@Alexey_Kovalev noodleremover.news [00:15] "A message to my doomed colleagues in the American media" (Medium • Jan 2017) [02:45] RIA Novosti [06:00] RT [07:30] Kovalev’s Archive at The Guardian [11:45] "RT, Information War, and Billions of Views: Where do the numbers come from?" (Translated by Aric Toler • Stop Fake • Jan 2017) [12:00] Adrian Chen on the Longform Podcast [12:00] "The Troll Hunters" (Adrian Chen • MIT Technology Review • Dec 2014) [16:30] The Intelligence Report Assessing Russian Activities in the US Election [17:00] The Onion [21:15] "From Headline to Photograph, a Fake News Masterpiece" (Scott Shane • New York Times • Jan 2017) [28:30] Kovalev’s Archive at The Moscow Times [29:00] Kovalev’s Archive at Open Democracy [29:00] "How Fake Stories Reported in Russia’s News Media Regularly Fool Everyone" (Translated by Kevin Rothrock • Global Voices • Sep 2016)

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Episode 228: Jeff Sharlet  

Jeff Sharlet writes about politics and religion for Esquire, GQ, New York Times Magazine, and more.

“I like the stories with difficult people. I like the stories about people who are dismissed as monsters. I hate the term ‘monster.’ ‘Monster’ is a safe term for us, right? Trump’s a monster. Great, we don’t need to wrestle with, ‘Uh oh, he’s not a monster. He’s in this human family with us.’ I’m not normalizing him. I’m acknowledging the fact. Now, what’s wrong with us? If Trump is human, what’s wrong with you?”

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@JeffSharlet jeffsharlet.blogspot.com Sharlet on Longform [00:15] "David Fahrenthold: Investigating Trump" (Katie Couric • Katie Couric Show • Dec 2016) [00:30] "Edward Snowden: The Whistleblower" (Katie Couric • Katie Couric Show • Dec 2016) [07:00] Decât o Revistă [08:00] "Bullies in the Schoolyard" (Tablet • Dec 2016) [08:30] Killing the Buddha [08:45] Go Tell It on the Mountain (James Baldwin • Vintage • 2013) [09:00] The Apostle [10:30] Wisconsin Death Trip (Michael Lesy • University of New Mexico Press • 2000) [11:15] Pakn Treger [12:30] The Chronicle of Higher Education [13:30] Killing the Buddha: A Heretic’s Bible (with Peter Manseau • Free Press • 2004) [18:45] "Jesus plus nothing" (Harper’s • Mar 2003) [sub req’d] [18:45] The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power (Harper Perennial • 2009) [22:45] "Straight Man’s Burden" (Harper’s • Sep 2010) [27:30] "Ashcroft’s Ascent" (Jeffrey Toobin • New Yorker • Apr 2002) [28:00] John Ashcroft Sings “Let the Eagle Soar” (YouTube) [30:00] "The Runaway General" (Michael Hastings • Rolling Stone • Jun 2010) [30:45] "James Webb’s Never-Ending War" (Rolling Stone • Jun 2007) [31:45] "The Ministry of Fun" (Esquire • Aug 2016) [37:00] "Are You Man Enough for the Men’s Rights Movement?" (GQ • Feb 2014) [42:30] "Dubliners" (Virginia Quarterly Review • 2016) [45:30] C Street: The Fundamentalist Threat to American Democracy (Little, Brown and Company • 2010) [46:30] "Donald Trump, American Preacher" (New York Times Magazine • Apr 2016) [51:45] "A&E Shelves a K.K.K. Documentary Series Over Cash Payments" (New York Times • Dec 2016)

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Episode 227: Jace Clayton  

Jace Clayton is a music writer and musician who records as DJ /rupture. His book is Uproot: Travels in 21st-Century Music and Digital Culture.

“What does it mean to be young and have some sound inside your head? Or to be in a scene that you want to broadcast to the world? That notion of the world is changing, who you’re broadcasting to is changing, all these different things—the tool sets. But there’s this very fundamental joy of music making. I was like, ‘Ok. Let’s find flashpoints where interesting things are happening and can be unpacked that shed different little spotlights on it, but do fall into this wider view of how we articulate what’s thrilling to be alive right now.’”

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@djrupture jaceclayton.com [04:15] Uproot: Travels in 21st-Century Music and Digital Culture (Farrar, Straus and Giroux • 2016) [05:00] Wax Poetic [05:30] "Slow Burn" (The Fader • Jul 2008) [06:00] "Past Masters" (The National • Mar 2009) [15:30] "Pitch Perfect" (Frieze • May 2009) [23:30] Mudd Up! [29:15] "Julius Eastman Memorial Dinner" (The Music Gallery • Oct 2014) [29:30] Julius Eastman’s Femenine [35:00] The Mudd Up! Radio Archive [37:45] Caroline Shaw [40:00] "Cairo: Something New" (The Fader • Oct 2012) [41:15] "Tribal Guarachero: Mexican Teens & Aztec History" (The Fader • Oct 2010) [42:15] Moneyball: The Art of Winning an Unfair Game (Michael Lewis • W.W. Norton & Company • 2004) [44:45] Tigerbeat6

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Episode 226: Terry Gross  

Terry Gross is the host and co-executive producer of Fresh Air.

“Part of my philosophy of life is that you have to live with a certain amount of delusion. And part of the delusion I live with is that maybe, from experience, I’m getting a little bit better. But then the other part of me, the more overpowering part of me, is the pessimistic part that says, ‘It’s going to be downhill from here.’ I try not to judge myself too much because I’m so self-judgmental that I don’t want to over-judge and get into too much of ‘Am I better than I was yesterday, or not?’”

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Gross on Longform Fresh Air [26:30] "Hillary Clinton: The Fresh Air Interview" (Fresh Air • Jun 2014) [29:30] "Among the Hillary Haters" (Hanna Rosin • The Atlantic • Mar 2015) [43:53] "Our Mission and Vision" (NPR • 1971) [52:45] "Fresh Air 2: 2 Fresh 2 Furious" (YouTube) [56:16] All I Did Was Ask: Conversations with Writers, Actors, Musicians, and Artists (Hachette Books • 2005) [58:30] "’Fresh Air’ Host Terry Gross: I Always Think Listeners Are Disappointed When They Meet Me" (Jim Romenesko • Jim Romenesko Blog • May 2015) [59:15] "Terry Gross and the Art of Opening Up" (Susan Burton • New York Times Magazine • Oct 2015) [1:03:45] Morning Edition [1:04:00] WTF with Marc Maron [1:04:00] The Longest Shortest Time [1:04:15] "Episode #1: Peter Sagal Opens Up" (The Hilarious World of Depression • Dec 2016) [1:04:45] The Pub [1:05:00] This American Life [1:05:00] On the Media [1:05:00] How to Be Amazing with Michael Ian Black [1:13:00] "Maurice Sendak: On Life, Death and Children’s Lit" (Fresh Air • Sep 2011)

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Episode 225: Ta-Nehisi Coates  

Ta-Nehisi Coates is the author of Between the World and Me and a national correspondent for The Atlantic. His latest cover story is “My President Was Black."

“[People] have come to see me as somebody with answers, but I don’t actually have answers. I’ve never had answers. The questions are the enthralling thing for me. Not necessarily at the end of the thing getting somewhere that’s complete—it’s the asking and repeated asking. I don’t know how that happened, but I felt like after a while it got to the point where I was seen as having unique answers, and I just didn’t. I really, really didn’t.”

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@tanehisicoates Coates on Longform [00:15] The 100th Episode of the Longform Podcast [00:45] "My President Was Black" (Atlantic • Dec 2016) [01:15] Longform’s Best of 2016 List [01:45] Shane Bauer on the Longform Podcast [02:00] "Prince of the Forty Thieves" (David Gauvey Herbert • Atavist • Dec 2016) [03:15] Coates’s First Appearance on the Longform Podcast [03:15] Coates’s Second Appearance on the Longform Podcast [03:15] Coates’s Third Appearance on the Longform Podcast [04:30] Black Panther: A Nation Under Our Feet (Marvel • 2016) [09:30] Between the World and Me (Spiegel & Grau • 2015) [09:45] "The Case for Reparations" (Atlantic • Jun 2014) [13:45] Coates’s Archive at Washington City Paper [16:45] "On Homecomings" (Atlantic • May 2016) [18:45] "The Black Family in the Age of Mass Incarceration" (Atlantic • Oct 2015) [20:45] "Fear of a Black President" (Atlantic • Sep 2012) [21:15] Jonathan Chait’s Archive at New York [30:30] "The Cosby Show" (Atlantic • Nov 2014) [35:15] Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance (Barack Obama • Three Rivers Press • 2004) [35:30] "‘The Filter…Is Powerful’: Obama on Race, Media, and What It Took to Win" (Atlantic • Dec 2016) [43:45] "Obama’s Full Remarks at Howard University Commencement Ceremony" (Politico Staff • Politico • May 2016) [50:30] Nate Silver on the Longform Podcast [51:30] "Other People’s Pathologies" (Atlantic • Mar 2014)

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Episode 224: Hua Hsu  

Hua Hsu writes for The New Yorker and is the author of A Floating Chinaman: Fantasy and Failure Across the Pacific.

“I remember, as a kid, my dad telling me that when he moved to the United States he subscribed to The New Yorker, and then he canceled it after a month because he had no idea what any of it was about. You know, at the time, it certainly wasn’t a magazine for a Chinese immigrant fresh off the boat—or off the plane, rather—in the early 70s. And I always think about that. I always think, ‘I want my dad to understand even though he’s not that interested in Dr.Dre.’ I still think, ‘I want him to be able to glean something from this.’”

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@huahsu huascene.com Hsu on Longform [03:45] A Floating Chinaman: Fantasy and Failure Across the Pacific (Harvard University Press • 2016) [04:00] The Good Earth (Pearl S. Buck • Washington Square Press • 1931) [06:00] "Where’s the Beef?" (Slate • Jul 2007) [07:15] And China Has Hands (H.T. Tsiang • Ironweed Press • 2003) [09:00] "On the Road with Hannibal Buress, Comedy’s Most Respected Slacker" (The Fader • Apr 2015) [14:45] "The Remarkable Forgotten Life of H. T. Tsiang" (New Yorker • Jul 2016) [14:45] "Endless Endless: Kraftwek at MoMA" (Paris Review • May 2012) [26:15] "A God Dream" (New Yorker • Feb 2016) [26:45] Hsu’s Archive at Grantland [26:45] "All Hail the Chairmen: Jonathan Olivares’s ‘Taxonomy of Office Chairs’" (LA Review of Books • Apr 2012) [28:45] Pitchfork [28:45] Stereogum [29:45] "Reality Hunger" (New Yorker • Aug 2015)


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Episode 223: Carl Zimmer  

Carl Zimmer, a columnist for the New York Times and a national correspondent at STAT, writes about science.

“[Criticism] doesn’t change the truth. You know? Global warming is still happening. Vaccines still work. Evolution is still true. No matter what someone on Twitter or someone in an administration is going to say, it’s still true. So, we science writers have to still be letting people know about what science has discovered, what we with our minds have discovered about the world—to the best of our abilities. That’s our duty as science writers, and we can’t let these things scare us off.”

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@carlzimmer carlzimmer.com Zimmer on Longform [01:00] Ross Andersen on the Longform Podcast [02:45] Zimmer’s column at the New York Times [02:45] Zimmer’s books [04:00] "The Rise of the Tick" (Outside • Apr 2013) [08:15] Parasite Rex: Inside the Bizarre World of Nature’s Most Dangerous Creatures (Simon & Schuster • 2000) [08:30] "A Sleeping Storm" (Discover • Aug 1998) [25:00] "How Scientists Stalked a Lethal Superbug—With the Killer’s Own DNA" (Wired • Jan 2013) [25:30] "Game of Genomes Episode 1: Man Inside the Hard Drive" (STAT • Jul 2016) [30:00] "How Fighter Pilots Stay Sharp" (Evan Ratliff • Men’s Journal • Dec 2013) [31:15] Zimmer’s Mosaic Archive [33:00] "King of the Cosmos" (Playboy • Jan 2012) [35:00] Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey [36:15] Star Talk [38:30] "Global Warming Alters Arctic Food Chain, Scientists Say, With Unforeseeable Results" (New York Times • Nov 2016) [40:00] "Special Report: Endless Summer—Living With the Greenhouse Effect" (Andrew C. Revkin • Discover • Oct 1988) [46:45] At the Water’s Edge: Fish with Fingers, Whales with Legs, and How Life Came Ashore but Then Went Back to Sea (Touchstone • 1999) [52:30] "The Girl Who Turned to Bone" (Atlantic • Jun 2013)

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Episode 222: Wesley Lowery  

Wesley Lowery is a national reporter at the Washington Post, where he worked on the Pulitzer-winning project, "Fatal Force." His new book is They Can’t Kill Us All: Ferguson, Baltimore, and a New Era in America’s Racial Justice Movement.

“I think that we decided at some point that either you are a journalist or you are an activist. And I identify as a journalist, to be clear, but one of the reasons I often don’t engage in that conversation—when someone throws that back at me I kind of deflect a little bit—is that I think there’s some real fallacy in there. I think that every journalist should be an activist for transparency, for accountability—certainly amongst our government, for first amendment rights. There are things that by our nature of what we do we should be extremely activist.”

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@WesleyLowery [03:15] Detroit Free Press [03:15] The Plain Dealer [03:15] North Jersey [03:15] Diversity Inc. [03:15] Black Enterprise [05:00] They Can’t Kill Us All: Ferguson, Baltimore, and a New Era in America’s Racial Justice Movement (Little, Brown and Company • 2016) [05:45] "Same-sex marriage is gaining momentum, but some advocates don’t want it on the ballot in Ohio" (Washington Post • Jun 2014) [06:00] "Senate votes to restore federal funding for extended unemployment benefits" (Washington Post • Apr 2014) [06:15] "Congressional Democrats to introduce new Voting Rights Act fix" (Washington Post • Jun 2015) [07:30] "Police use tear gas on crowd in Ferguson, Mo., protesting teen’s death" (Washington Post • Aug 2014) [10:45] "The story behind that Boston Marathon photo of runners carrying a competitor toward the finish" (Washington Post • Apr 2014) [10:45] "Aaron Hernandez indicted, accused of killing two men in 2012" (Washington Post • May 2014) [13:15] O.J.: Made in America [30:00] "Fatal Force" (Washington Post • 2015) [31:30] "The DC Investigates: Is WaPo’s Wesley Lowery Black?" (Betsy Rothstein • Daily Caller • Dec 2014) [40:15] "Police: Multiple witnesses say Antonio Martin pulled gun on officer" (Washington Post • Dec 2014)

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Episode 221: Adam Moss  

Adam Moss is the editor of New York Magazine.

“I think [change] is good for journalism—it’s what journalism is about. You can’t write about something static. News is about what is new. So there’s plenty of new right now. I’m not saying it’s good for the citizenry or anything like that, but, yeah, for journalists it’s an extremely interesting time. There’s no denying that.”

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[03:15] "Meet the Editor: Adam Moss" (Brian Lehrer Show • Dec 2013) [07:00] "America Has Never Been So Ripe for Tyranny" (Andrew Sullivan • New York • May 2016) [20:45] Rolling Stone College Papers [32:15] "The Media Business; Lack of Ads Kills 7 Days Magazine" (Kim Foltz • New York Times • Apr 1990) [36:30] "Why isn’t this man famous?" (Simon Houpt • Globe and Mail • Jun 2001) [38:00] "The Best of Michael Pollan for The New York Times" (New York Times Magazine • Oct 2016) [38:00] Michael Lewis’s New York Times archive [38:00] Lynn Hirschberg’s New York Times archive [39:45] "Saint Hillary" (Michael Kelly • New York Times Magazine • May 1993) [44:45] "A City Built of Clay" (Tom Wolfe • New York • Jul 2008) [48:00] Vulture [48:15] The Cut [51:45] Frank Rich’s New York archive [51:45] Andrew Sullivan’s New York archive [57:15] The Strategist

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Episode 220: Kyle Chayka  

Kyle Chayka is a freelance writer who writes for Businessweek, The Verge, Racked, The New Yorker, and more.

“I love that idea of form and content being the same. I want to write about lifestyle in a lifestyle magazine. I want to critique technology in the form of technology, and kind of have the piece be this infiltrating force that explodes from within or whatever. You want something that gets into the space, and sneaks in, and then blows up.”

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@chaykak kchayka.tumblr.com Chayka on Longform [02:00] Study Hall [04:30] Chayka’s Tufts Daily Archive [06:00] "Welcome to Airspace" (The Verge • Aug 2016) [06:45] "The Last Lifestyle Magazine" (Racked • Mar 2016) [17:15] "Reign, Supreme" (Racked • Jul 2016) [19:00] David Grann on the Longform Podcast [20:00] Peter Schjeldahl’s New Yorker Archive [20:15] Jerry Saltz’s New York Archive [20:15] Roberta Smith’s New York Times Archive [20:45] "Living on a Prayer" (Curbed • Apr 2016) [24:15] "Facebook’s Zuckerberg Says Fake News and Echo Chambers Didn’t Drive Election" (Sarah Frier • Bloomberg • Nov 2016) [30:45] "The Library of Last Resort" (n+1 • Jul 2016) [36:30] "Unfollow" (Adrian Chen • New Yorker • Nov 2015)

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Episode 219: Susan Casey  

Susan Casey is the former editor of O and the author of three New York Times bestselling books. Her latest is Voices in the Ocean: A Journey into the Wild and Haunting World of Dolphins.

“The funny thing is people often say, ‘You must be fearless.’ I’m always afraid of whatever it is. But for whatever reason—I think it’s partly naïvety, partly just overwhelming curiosity—I am also not going to let fear stop me from doing things even if I feel it. Unless it’s that pure …you do have to listen to your body sometimes if it tells you not to do something that could result in you really never coming up from falling on that 70-foot wave.”

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susancasey.com [01:00] The Devil’s Teeth: A True Story of Obsession and Survival Among America’s Great White Sharks (Henry Holt & Company • 2006) [01:00] The Wave: In Pursuit of the Rogues, Freaks, and Giants of the Ocean (First Anchor Books • 2011) [01:00] Voices in the Ocean: A Journey into the Wild and Haunting World of Dolphins (First Anchor Books • 2016) [01:15] O Magazine [01:15] Time Inc. [07:15] "Into Thin Air" (Jon Krakauer • Outside • Sep 1996) [sub req'd] [07:30] "The Post-Communist Wolf" (David Quammen • Outside • Dec 2000) [07:30] Hampton Sides’s Archive at Outside [08:15] "Life’s Swell" (Susan Orlean • Outside • Aug 2002) [11:30] "Vanish" (Evan Ratliff • Wired • Dec 2009) [20:30] BBC Wildlife Special—Great White Shark: The Silent Stalker [26:00] "The Jaws Paradigm" (Sports Illustrated • Aug 2006) [26:00] Casey’s Archive at Fortune [26:30] Force of Nature: Mind, Body, Soul, and, of course, Surfing (Laird Hamilton • Rodale Books • 2008) [27:15] "The World’s Healthiest 75-Year-Old Man" (Esquire • May 2008) [28:00] "The Overstimulated Girl: A Better Head of Hair" (Esquire • Oct 2007) [42:30] Erik Larson on the Longform Podcast


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Episode 218: Wesley Morris  

Wesley Morris is a critic at large for The New York Times, a staff writer for The New York Times Magazine, and the co-host of Still Processing. His latest article is "Last Taboo: Why Pop Culture Just Can’t Deal With Black Male Sexuality."

“You learn a lot of things about your sexuality at an early age. You know, I learned that your penis is a problem for white people, that you can’t be too openly sexual in general because that could get you in trouble because someone could misconstrue what you’re doing, and, in my case, I also knew I was gay. So I had to deal with, ‘Ok so my dick is a problem in general, and I’m not even interested in putting my penis where it’s supposed to go. This is going to be bad.’”

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@Wesley_Morris Morris on Longform [00:45] Wesley Morris on the Longform Podcast [01:15] Still Processing [01:45] "Last Taboo" (New York Times Magazine • Oct 2016) [03:15] Playing Dead: A Journey Through the World of Death Fraud (Elizabeth Greenwood • Simon & Schuster • 2016) [08:45] "Dumber Than Your Average Bear" (Grantland • Jun 2015)

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Episode 217: Doreen St. Félix  

Doreen St. Félix is a writer at MTV News.

“It feels like there are images of black utopias that are arising. And you can’t—even if you’re not as superstitious as me—you can’t possibly think that that doesn’t have to do with the decline, the final, to me, last gasp of white supremacy. It really does feel like we’re approaching that, [but] that approach might be a thousand years.”

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@dstfelix [7:45] "'Empire’ Season 2, Episode 8: Hakeem, No Lyon" (New York Times • Nov 2015) [10:30] "Jennifer Lawrence: 'Why Do I Make Less Than My Male Co-Stars?'" (Jennifer Lawrence • Lenny • Oct 2015) [11:30] "Out of Print: The Fultz Quadruplets" (Lenny • Feb 2016) [16:15] "The Prosperity Gospel of Rihanna" (Pitchfork • Apr 2015) [18:30] "On Carefree Black Boys" (MTV News • Sep 2016) [22:00] "In Solange’s Room" (MTV News • Oct 2016) [23:30] "The Ecstasy of Frank Ocean" (MTV News • Aug 2016) [24:30] "A Love Profane" (MTV News • Apr 2016) [26:00] The Birth of a Nation [30:00] Atlanta [30:00] Moonlight [31:00] Queen Sugar [35:30] "An Honest Conversation with Solange Knowles" (Anupa Mistry • Fader • Sep 2016) [36:00] "Filmmaker Letter: Moonlight" (Barry Jenkins • Landmark Theatres • Oct 2016) [40:30] "The Gospel According to Kirk Franklin" (MTV News • Oct 2016) [40:45] "Ratology" (New Yorker • Nov 2015) [48:00] "The only thing ‘uncivilised’ about Ray Kelly’s talk at Brown was inviting him" (Guardian • Oct 2013) [54:00] "North West and Blue Ivy Carter Have Never ‘Played Together,’ Says Kanye West" (Josh Duboff • Vanity Fair • Oct 2016) [1:00:00] Speed Dial

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Episode 216: Emily Witt  

Emily Witt is a freelance writer and the author of Future Sex.

“I think I had always thought that—maybe this is coming from a WASPy, protestant background—if I presented myself as overtly sexual in any way, it would be a huge turnoff. That they would see me as a certain type of person. They wouldn’t have respect for me. And I thought this both professionally—I thought maybe writing this book was going to be really bad for my career, that nobody would take me seriously anymore—and also that nobody would want to date me if I was too honest. In both counts the opposite happened.”

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@embot emilywitt.net Witt on Longform [02:45] Future Sex (Farrar, Straus & Giroux • 2016) [03:00] "Online Dating Diary" (London Review of Books • Oct 2012) [03:15] Witt’s Archive at The Observer [05:30] Witt’s Archive at Miami New Times [05:45] "Cinema é Luxo" (n+1 • Oct 2009) [sub req’d] [06:15] "Miami Party Boom" (n+1 • Mar 2010) [sub req’d] [06:30] Gus Garcia-Roberts on Longform [09:30] Thy Neighbor’s Wife (Gay Talese • Harper Perennial • 2009) [10:00] "An Evening in the Nude with Gay Talese" (Aaron Latham • New York • Jul 1973) [11:15] "That Room in Cambridge" (n+1 • Mar 2011) [sub req’d] [19:15] "What Do You Desire?" (n+1 • Mar 2013) [38:45] "The Trip Planners" (New Yorker • Nov 2015) [48:00] How Music Got Free: A Story of Obsession and Invention (Stephen Witt • Penguin Books • 2015) [48:15] Minnesota Monthly [50:45] "Burning Man Diary" (London Review of Books • Jul 2014)

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Episode 215: Krista Tippett  

Krista Tippett is the host of On Being and the author of Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living.

“Good journalists in newsrooms hold themselves to primitive standards when they’re covering religious ideas and people. They’re sloppy and simplistic in a way that they would never be with a political or economic person or idea. I mean they get facts wrong. They generalize. Because they don’t take it seriously, and they don’t know how to take it seriously.”

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@kristatippett [00:30] On Being [01:15] Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living (Penguin Press • 2016) [01:45] "MailChimp and the Un-Silicon Valley Way to Make It as a Start-Up" (Farhad Manjoo • New York Times • Oct 2016) [05:15] The Brown Daily Herald [11:30] "Mengele Casts Shadow on a Bavarian Town" (New York Times • Jun 1985) [20:00] "West Germans Protest Nuclear Missiles For 4th Day" (John Tagliabue • New York Times • Apr 1983) [38:15] The Nantucket Project [46:15] "The Poetry of Ordinary Time" (On Being • Aug 2014) [54:00] The Unedited Episode of “Randomness and Choice" (On Being • Oct 2016)

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Episode 214: Luke Dittrich  

Luke Dittrich is a contributing editor at Esquire. His new book is Patient H.M.: A Story of Memory, Madness, and Family Secrets.

“As soon as I told [my mom] that I got my first book deal for this story about Patient H.M., her first words were, ‘Oh no.’ That was sort of her gut reaction to it because, I think, she knew at a certain level that I was going to be dredging up very painful stories. And I think at that point even she didn’t know the depth of the pain that some of the stories that I was going to find were going to lay out there.”

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Dittrich on Longform [2:15] Longform Podcast #66: Andy Ward [2:45] "The Brain That Couldn’t Remember" (New York Times Magazine • Aug 2016) [4:15] "Possessed" (Atlanta Magazine • Nov 2003) [Google Books] [4:15] "The Red Zone" (Atlanta Magazine • Jul 2004) [Google Books] [4:30] Patient H.M.: A Story of Memory, Madness, and Family Secrets (Random House • 2016) [12:00] "The Brain That Changed Everything" (Esquire • Oct 2010) [13:30] The Alexandria Quartet (Lawrence Durrell • Pocket Books • 1977) [16:00] Egypt Today [20:15] journalismjobs.com [18:15] Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil: A Savannah Story (John Berendt • Vintage Books • 1999) [19:15] "Pageants Are My Life" (Oxford American • May 2001) [sub req’d] [24:00] "H.M., an Unforgettable Amnesiac, Dies at 82" (Benedict Carey • New York Times • Dec 2008) [32:30] "A Book Examines the Curious Case of a Man Whose Memory Was Removed" (Seth Mnookin • New York Times • Aug 2016) [37:15] "Faculty at MIT and beyond respond forcefully to an article critical of Suzanne Corkin" (MIT News Office • MIT News • Aug 2016) [37:45] "Questions & Answers about ‘Patient H.M.’" (Medium • Aug 2016) [43:00] "Tonight on Dateline This Man Will Die" (Esquire • Sep 2007) [43:00] "The Prophet" (Esquire • Jul 2013) [46:30] Chris Hansen’s new “predator” project [47:00] "Esquire Article on Eben Alexander Distorts the Facts" (Robert Mays • International Association For Near Death Studies • Aug 2013) [48:45] Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon’s Journey into the Afterlife (Eben Alexander • Simon & Schuster • 2012) [50:45] "'Heavenly Father!' 'I love you all!' 'I love everyone!' 'Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus!' 'I love all of you!'" (Esquire • Sep 2011) [51:30] "Chuck Berry Goddamn!" (Esquire • Dec 2011)

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