We All Wear It Differently - A Podcast for Early C

We All Wear It Differently - A Podcast for Early C

Australia

A podcast for early career psychologists. If you're looking for inspiration and motivation in your psychology career, you're in the right place. Amy Felman interviews psychologists from diverse fields with all levels of experience as they share their journeys, challenges and career breakthroughs that have led them to where they are today. Tune in and discover how we all wear it differently.

Episodes

#MM09 - Q&A Mondays with Moshe Lang: Sexual Abuse, and Depressed Therapist  

This is Episode 9 of the Q and A series with psychologist Moshe Lang. Moshe is one of Australia’s best known family therapists, a renowned author and teacher. He has been practicing psychotherapy for over 52 years and is insatiably curious, and wonderfully wise.

This weeks questions are WAWID listeners are:

What should a psychologist do if they experiencing issues (e.g. depression) that they speak to their clients about? If the self-implemented strategies that would be employed by a possible treating psychologist have not helped, what then? Pete (Australia) Moshe, have you seen many adult survivors of family csa (sexual abuse) disclose this to their family and if so what have you seen unfold. What do you advise those victims to do if they have always wanted to tell someone who they love. There may be implications and consequences. Any advice would be most appreciated. Jane (Victoria)

For more information on Moshe check out the show notes and post a question under the episode or send me an email.  We'd love to hear your feedback and questions!

#38 - Non-Traditional Roles for Psychologists with APS Executive Officer Debbie Hsu  

Debbie Hsu is a Clinical Psychologist and the Executive Officer at the Australian Psychological Society (APS). She was originally enrolled in a Bachelor of Medicine with a plan of becoming a Psychiatrist. Her plan did not go as "planned" and Debbie became a psychologist instead!

Debbie's esteemed career began in Child Protection, where as a fresh graduate she was catapulted into a senior position, following the departure of her supervisor and the senior psychologist. Debbie took this in her stride, and not only worked as a clinician but as a supervisor, trainer, researcher, writer and liaison with community organisations. It was here she also developed a strong interest in systems. My sense chatting to Debbie is that she has been courageously rolling with the punches ever since and has had an incredibly successful career as a result!

Some of Debbie's previous roles include:

Non-executive Board Director (APS) Executive Director, CAMHS, Child and Adolescent Health Service (Western Australia) Program Manager at North Metropolitan Area Health Service Visiting Clinical Psychologist (i.e. fly in fly out) at the Kalgoorlie-Boulder Community Mental Health Service Senior psychologist at the Swan Valley Cild and Adolescence Mental Health Service Senior psychologist and then Clinic Coordinator at the Bentley Health Service Family Clinic Clinical Psychologist at the Institute for Cognitive Behaviour Therapy Lecturer, School of Psychology, University of Western Australia

If you're interested in learn more about the workings of the APS and roles for psychologists beyond traditional clinical roles, you will love this interview with Debbie Hsu.

Visit the website for all the links related to this show and for Debbi's best self-care tip!

#37 -  Equine Assisted Psychotherapy with Jane Faulkner  

Jane Faulkner is a psychotherapist who uses Gestalt and Equine Assisted Therapy in her practice. She currently works at the Gwinganna Lifestyle Retreat as an Equine Assisted Psychotherapist and retreat facilitator. She is the Director at Equine Assisted Therapy Australia, an RTO providing Nationally recognised training in Counselling and Equine Assisted Therapy.

Jane uses the following to support her clients:

Gestalt Therapy Equine Assisted Therapy mindfulness techniques Art therapy Yogic philosophy; and horsemanship to support her clients.

Her clients include corporate CEO’s seeking career coaching and support, victims of trauma, adoptees with attachment difficulties, autistic individuals, people with anxiety and depression, families, couples and teens feeling stuck, frustrated, and lost.

Jane was diagnosed with PCOS and had severe acne, low self-esteem, and chronic fatigue syndrome throughout her teenage years. This led to an exploration of many different modalities of healing, travelling around the world in search of health and wellness. Jane started her career as a Registered Nurse and worked in the hospital setting and community both here and overseas.

As a result of her own ongoing health difficulties she attended a therapist, and it was this experience that lead her to begin her journey into becoming a therapist herself. Jane found her home working with horses!

For all the links Jane spoke about and her recommended reading list check out the show notes!

 

 

#MM08 – Q&A Mondays with Moshe Lang: Developmental Trauma and the Purpose of Guilt  

This is Episode 8 of the Q and A series with psychologist Moshe Lang.  Moshe Lang is one of Australia’s best known family therapists, a renowned author and teacher. He has been practicing psychotherapy for over 52 years and is insatiably curious, and wonderfully wise.

Every fortnight WAWID listeners send me questions that Moshe generously answers. These questions can be be about anything to do with his journey, therapy or the field of mental health ore generally. If you have a question we'd love to answer it!

This weeks questions from WAWID listeners are:

Developmental trauma is currently at the forefront of research with better understandings of how trauma can effect childhood development. In your experience as a family therapist, what is the most important focus for families who are dealing with a child with complex trauma? Terra (Canada) Moshe, what do you think about guilt? Is it real, is it useful? Should one have it?  How is it enabling or impeding?  And what's it's relationship  to shame, particularly in a family context?  Any thoughts on this? Emily (Germany)

For more information on Moshe Lang check out the show notes or listen to his 3-part episode on We All Wear it Differently.

This episode was sponsored by the ANZ ACBS 2016 Conference in Melbourne between 5-9th November .  If you’re interested in Acceptance Commitment Therapy (ACT), Compassion and Mindfulness check out their website for further details!

This year they have pre-conference workshops that will appeal to a broad range of practitioners:

Dr Dennis Tirch - a world expert on compassion-based therapies Dr Matt Villatte - an intensive training on values work to foster meaning and motivation, using clinical Relational Frame Theory principles (for background: http://drericmorris.com/2016/05/02/mtccreview/) Dr David Gillanders - an international expert in health psychology, presenting on acceptance, mindfulness and values applied to medical problems.

All three pre-conference workshops are suitable for beginners and those on training courses, with a very competitive student rate to register!

 

#36 - Using ACT in Neuropsychology Settings with Dr Brooke Davis  

Dr Brooke Davis is a senior clinical neuropsychologist at St Vincent’s Hospital and The Mind Room. She is particularly interested in how Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) can be used with clients in neuropsychology settings to enhance wellbeing and promote positive change regardless of the challenges they face.

As a supervisor of students and early career psychologists Brooke provides us with many pearls of wisdom about how we can utilise ACT principles in our own work and personal lives, to manage challenges, increase our skills sets, and have long and sustainable careers.  

For all the links Dr Davis spoke about and her best self-care tip, check out the show notes.

This episode was sponsored by the ANZ ACBS 2016 Conference.  If you're interested in Acceptance Commitment Therapy (ACT), Compassion and Mindfulness check out there website for further details!

#MM07 – Q&A Mondays with Moshe Lang: The Art of Family Therapy  

This is Episode 7 of the Q and A series with psychologist Moshe Lang. Moshe Lang is one of Australia’s best known family therapists, a renowned author and teacher. He has been practicing psychotherapy for over 52 years, 

Every fortnight WAWID listener's send in questions for Moshe to answer. These questions can be be about anything to do with his journey, therapy or the field of mental health more generally.

Moshe is insatiably curious, and wonderfully wise.

This weeks questions are from Jensen Young:

How would you work with an adolescent in individual therapy if they continually report that their parents are not meeting their attachment/emotional needs (say through emotional neglect, or consistent criticism), and the parents refuse to engage in family therapy? In adolescent and family therapy, what do u do when parents are uncooperative, or highly critical of their children in and out of sessions, or fail to consider your feedback? There are many (if not the majority) of programs out there in the community that treat anxious children using individual therapy (often with individually focussed modalities like CBT or ACT). As a family systems therapist, whats your position on treating an anxious child using an individual frame?  Moshe you are trained in clinical psychology and in family therapy. Can u give some examples of when you would lean more towards one of these lenses in a) working with couples and b) working with families (i.e. what are your 'markers' for adopting a clinical psychology approach vs a systemic approach?) When you work with individuals, what are your preferred individually focussed modalities and why?

For more information on Moshe Lang check out the show notes!

This episode was sponsored by the ANZ ACBS 2016 Conference.  If you’re interested in Acceptance Commitment Therapy (ACT), Compassion and Mindfulness check out their website for further details!

#35 – The Art of Investigative Interviewing with Dr Kimberlee Burrows  

Dr Kimberlee Burrows is a Research Fellow and lecturer at Deakin University, and a Research Fellow with the Centre For Investigative Interviewing. Dr Burrows has a Bachelor of Law (Hons) and Psychology (Hons) and a background in law and child protection. In 2014 she was awarded a PhD for her thesis entitled Improving the Evidential Quality of Child Witness Interviews about Abuse.

Dr Burrows research role involves working closely with police and legal professionals in Australia and overseas to both (a) incorporate legal requirements into child witness investigative interviewing protocol,and (b) provide legal professionals with professional development around principles of child development and trauma so as to minimise systemic abuse of child witnesses and maximise the quality of their evidence.

In addition to her research, Dr Burrows currently chairs the undergraduate unit Child & Adolescent Development (currently undertaken by approximately 1100 students) and teaches across a variety of Psychology undergraduate units including Psychology in the Criminal Justice System and Individual and Social Development.

In this interview Dr Burrows opens our eyes to the complexity of investigative interviewing, and her passion and energy for researching, developing and supporting the implementation of best practice interviewing in legal systems around the world is inspiring. A quick note - everything Dr Burrows has said in this interview is based on her own views and are not representative of Deakin University.

For all the links Dr Burrows spoke about and her best self-care tip, check out the show notes.

This episode was sponsored by the ANZ ACBS 2016 Conference.  If you're interested in Acceptance Commitment Therapy (ACT), Compassion and Mindfulness check out there website for further details!

#MM06 – Q&A Mondays with Moshe Lang: Authenticity, Wisdom and Criticism  

This is Episode 6 of the Q and A series with psychologist and one of Australia’s best known family therapists Moshe Lang.  Moshe is a renowned author and teacher. He has been practicing psychotherapy for over 52 years

Every fortnight WAWID listeners send me questions that Moshe generously answers. These questions can be be about anything to do with his journey, therapy or the field of mental health.

This weeks questions are:

In the last episode with Moshe, he talked about watching out for consumerism and throughout his interview he talks about working with the client and telling their story etc, so has he ever found himself being judgemental, directive or 'not-real' in his approach? And if so, how does he recognise that within himself and practice humility? In other words, has he always been this authentic, wise person? Nicky Duff Does Moshe ever critique a parent's parenting in front of their children, and if so, how? If not, what does he do instead? Susan Lanham

For more information on Moshe and to send us a question check out the show notes!

This episode was sponsored by the ANZ ACBS 2016 Conference.  If you're interested in Acceptance Commitment Therapy (ACT), Compassion and Mindfulness check out there website for further details!

#34 - Perinatal Mental Health with Dr Nicole Highet  

Dr Nicole Highet is a clinical psychologist and the Founder & Executive Director at COPE: Centre of Perinatal Excellence.  Previously Nicole worked at Beyond Blue as the Deputy CEO and National Perinatal Advisor.

Nicole has a Doctorate in clinical psychology specialising in community approaches to treating postnatal depression.  After her training she moved from Perth to Melbourne, and detoured into the world of marketing and advertising.

The combination her clinical and marketing skills ended up being the perfect stepping stone for her to join Beyondblue in 2001, just after the Initiative began.

Beyond Blue is an Australian, independent non-profit organisation working to address issues associated with depression, anxiety and related mental disorders. Nicole worked with beyond Blue fore 12 years.

One of her most passionate endeavours at Beyond Blue was the success of the National Perinatal Depression Initiative. In response to this issue and the need for a dedicated focus in perinatal mental health, Nicole established COPE, Centre of Perinatal Excellence.

In this episode we discuss iCOPE - an interactive, digital screening platform that facilitates efficient and effective screening in the perinatal period (during pregnancy and year following birth).

Nicole's passion is contagious, and she encourages us to think big picture and follow our passions. So let's see how we all wear it differently with Nicole Highet.

Check out the show notes for all the links that Nicole spoke about and her best self-care tip!

#MM05 – Q&A Mondays with Moshe Lang  

This is Episode 5 of the new Q and A series with psychologist Moshe Lang, one of Australia’s best known family therapists, renowned author and teacher.

Moshe has been practicing psychotherapy for over 52 years and generously shares with us a wealth of wisdom. Every fortnight WAWID listeners send me questions to ask Moshe.

These questions can be be about anything to do with his journey, therapy or the field of mental health. Please send in your burning questions!

This weeks questions are:

My question (and personal quest) is how to keep the ego in check? Michelle Hawke I am curious as to how Moshe thinks his work and his career as a psychologist would differ if he were entering the profession now (i.e. at a time when Medicare and short term directive therapies seems to dominate)? Lucianne Nedinis

For more information on Moshe Lang and to send in your questions, check out the website!

Episode #33 – Online Counselling, why aren't more of us doing it? With Therapist Clay Cockrell  

Today my guest is Clay Cockrell, LCSW, a therapist based in New York City.

Six years ago, Clay began his journey into the online world by the creation of Online Marital Counseling (www.maritalcounseling.com), where he works with couples all over the world to improve and/or salvage their broken relationships. He and his clients have found it incredibly valuable, particularly when the couple is living apart (perhaps as expats) or having scheduling issues that prevent them from engaging in traditional couples counseling.

As Clay chatted to colleagues about the benefits of online counselling it became evident many didn't’ know what it was or liked the idea but were fearful or put off by the technological side.

In 2016 he founded Onlinecounselling.com – a listing directory with the mission of helping clients all over the world to find the therapist or life coach that will best meet their needs. The site also provides educational resources and podcasts to help counselors work online in an ethical, responsible and legal manner.

Whilst clearly savvy with technology, Clay is also one for the outdoors. He started his career as the creator of Walk and Talk Therapy (www.walkandtalk.com). Instead of meeting in a traditional office, he conducts counseling sessions while walking through Central Park in NY.

ABC’s Good Morning America, CNN and New York Times were interested in walkandtalk.com and Clay’s other endeavours as was I. So let’s see how we all wear it differently with Clay Cockrell.

Check out: www.onlinecounselling.com www.walkandtalk.com www.maritalcounseling.com

For more information on Clay and for his best self care tip, check out the show notes!

#MM04 – Q&A Mondays with Moshe Lang  

This is Episode 4 of the new Q and A series with psychologist Moshe Lang, one of Australia’s best known family therapists, renowned author and teacher.

Every fortnight WAWID listeners send me questions to ask Moshe. These questions can be be about anything to do with his journey (over 52 years as a psychotherapist), therapy in general, or the field of mental health.

Moshe is an incredibly curious person, and loves a challenge. He's willing to tackle any question sent his way.

This weeks questions are:

1) I've just started reading Laing's Sanity, Madness and Family' and it's blowing my mind. Wondering what authors, texts or ideas opened doors for Moshe? Brian Cheng

2) How would Moshe work with a child with Oppositional Defiance Disorder (ODD)? Lucija Albric

For more information on Moshe please visit the website to check out the show notes and send in your questions!

#MM03 – Q&A Mondays with Moshe Lang  

This is Episode 3 of the new Q and A series with psychologist Moshe Lang, one of Australia’s best known family therapists, renowned author and teacher.

Every fortnight WAWID listeners send me questions to ask Moshe. These questions can be be about anything to do with his journey (over 52 years as a psychotherapist), therapy in general, or the field of mental health.

Moshe is an incredibly curious person, and loves a challenge.  He's willing to tackle any question sent his way.

This weeks questions are:

Do you think that one of the reasons people visit a psychologist is because they no longer feel that they are experts (i.e. in control) in their own lives? In my experience people readily offer solutions to other’s problems but these are seldom helpful. You assist people to find a solution that they own as theirs. They can then learn how to resolve new issues more easily. Do you agree with this? What techniques do you use to help people in this process? I understand that yoga is an important part of your life. Can you share some of your thoughts about yoga and its relevance to psychotherapy?

For more information on Moshe check out the show notes and post a question under the episode!

 

#31 - Family Therapy, Narrative Therapy & The Art of Teaching with Clinical Psychologist Dr Rebecca Sng  

Dr Rebecca Sng is a Clinical Psychologist, Family Therapist and the Deputy Director of Clinical Psychology at the University of Wollongong, NSW. Alongside her university commitments she works in private practice, seeing Families in the Illawarra area.

Rebecca completed her Doctorate of Clinical Psychology at the University of Sydney in 2006, and a family therapy internship at the 'Calgary Family Therapy Centre' in Canada, in 2010.

Some of her previous work includes as a Consultant Clinical Psychologist at MacKillip Family Services and as the Unit Head at the Alternative Care Clinic, Redbank House. Much of her early work involved working wth children in out-of-home-care who presented with emotional, behavioural and relational difficulties due to complex trauma and attachment disruption.

Rebecca is influenced by and work from various therapeutic approaches including Narrative Therapy, Post-Milan Systemic Family Therapy, Bowen, and Intervention Interviewing.

She is also closely involved with the Australian Association of Family Therapy (AAFT) and the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Family Therapy.

As a university lecturer, Rebecca is considered by many of her students as inspiring, engaging, and thought provoking - always encouraging curiosity, and for each person to find their authentic voice and style as practitioners.

So let's see how we all wear it differently with Dr Rebecca Sng

For all the links Rebecca spoke about and her best self-care tip check out the website.

 

#MM02 - Q&A Mondays with Moshe Lang  

This is Episode 2 of the new Q and A series with psychologist Moshe Lang, Australia's best known family therapist, renowned author and teacher.

Every fortnight WAWID listeners send me questions to ask Moshe. These questions can be be about anything to do with his journey, therapy or in the field of mental health. Moshe is an incredibly curious person, and loves a challenge - he tells me he'll tackle anything sent his way. This weeks questions are:

1) What advice would you give to family and friends who have a loved one going through depression or anxiety? They play a crucial support role yet are rarely included as part of an ongoing plan.

2) Starting from a broad perspective, I would love to know what advice Moshe has for a 'mature ' starter in the field of therapy. I think I've said here before that my later life journey to Psychology is really about self-actualization. I genuinely feel that I am in the process of becoming what/who I am meant to be. The question (about bloody time, Jim!), is how do I utilise the life experience that I have to help others, in a world of psychology that seems so fixated on A+B = C? All of our training seems to be focused on method or 'X' theory, rather than the reality of human interaction that Moshe so beautifully illustrates in his discussions with you. I'm half way through Honours and I'm genuinely concerned that in order to work, I'll need to join some school of thought (i.e, CBT, EMDR) that has been proven (and do work, don't get me wrong ), but to me, are empty of human empathy, compassion and connection.  How do emerging Psychologists boldly become Mongrel/Bitsa qualified? 

For more information on Moshe or to send in a question please check out the website.     
#30 - Lead Psychologist at the Centre for Paediatric Eating Disorders, Texas, Dr Kelsey Latimer  

Dr Kelsey Latimer is the Lead psychologist in the Center for Pediatric Eating Disorders of the Children’s Medical Center Plano, Texas.  She is also an Assistant Professor in Psychiatry at University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center.

Kelsey works in all levels of care, including inpatient and partial hospitalization, and leads the intensive outpatient program, where she develops and implements programs.

Her research is focused on eating disorder prevention and intervention, and clinical outcomes of eating disorder programs.

Kelsey has presented at over 40 regional/national/international conferences on topics of eating disorder treatment, body image and supervision/training.

She has also been featured as a media expert source on Fox 4, Cosmopolitan.com, The Washington Post, Gurze Books Newsletter, Brit & Co, yahoo style, and several podcasts.

This is a long episode - and for very good reason- Kelsey is an absolute gift to the field of psychology and specifically the field of paediatric eating disorders. She is not only clinically active but her awareness of and commitment to building community awareness for an issue that is so laden with socio-cultural factors is both impressive and inspiring.

So let's see how we all wear it differently with Dr Kelsey Latimer.

For all the links Kelsey spoke about and her best self-care tip check out the show notes.

#MM01 - Q&A Mondays with Moshe Lang  

This is Episode 1 of a new Q and A series with psychologist Moshe Lang, Australia's best known family therapist, renowned author and teacher.  

Every fortnight WAWID listeners send me questions to ask Moshe.  These questions can be be about anything to do with his journey, therapy or in the field of mental health. Moshe is an incredibly curious person, and loves a challenge - he tells me he'll tackle anything sent his way.  This weeks questions are:

1)  Moshe, coming from another country, and having English as your second language, how did this impact your work in Australia?

2) Moshe, I noticed in your interview with Amy that you talked about control as one of the thing that has kept you going in your career and has satisfied you in your work. However, in my own personal experience, it has been acceptance and mindfulness that has enabled me to cope.  What are your thoughts on this?

For more information on Moshe Lang or to send in a question check out the website.

#29 - Working with young people on the Autism Spectrum with Dr Marie Karakis  

Dr Marie Karakis is a Child and Adolescent Psychologist with experience working in schools, community and clinical settings.

She is the owner and director of private practice Young Minds Psychology.  She has specialist training in assessment, counselling and behavior management for a range of developmental issues, such as: Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD), anxiety, depression, ADHD, behavioural difficulties, grief and learning issues. She has extensive experience working with young people diagnosed with an Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) including Asperger’s syndrome and has a special interest working in the area of early intervention and school readiness.

In the interview Marie talks in depth about the complexities of such a diverse and large spectrum, and why each individual case, requires careful assessment, formulation and treatment planning.  She also discusses the critical role that families and schools, play in the treatment of children with Autism, and the challenges that this often presents.

One of the most important tips Marie give those in this line of work is to be playful. During the interview, I could see in the background of her office a large castle filled with superheroes - so I guess she means literally, be playful.

So, lets see how we all wear it differently, with Marie Karakis.

For all the links Marie spoke about and her best self-care tip check out the website!

#28 – Working with survivors of domestic violence with Psychologist Carmel O'Brien  

Carmel O’Brien is a Counselling Psychologist and National Convenor of the APS Women and Psychology Interest Group. For the last 23 years she has worked predominantly with people who have lived with violence at home.  This includes working in child protection services, the Victorian Women’s Prison, in critical incident management and relationship and general counselling practice.

Most of Carmel’s work has been in the welfare sector.  Carmel has also conducted a part-time private practice in eastern Melbourne since 1998.

From 2001 to 2015 Carmel managed the clinical services programs for a large community agency, including general counselling and clinical supervision services and a suite of support programs for women and children who have experienced abuse. Her special clinical interest is the recovery of women from family violence.

Carmel initiated some unique models of service provision including utilizing trained mentors to aid recovery, commencing a domestic violence prevention program for girls and schools, and starting a successful choir for survivors. She launched two iPhone Apps at Doncare (LiveFree and iMatter) delivering information to the public about domestic violence issues and healthy relationships.

In January, 2008, Carmel received a Menzies Award for her work in innovative service provision. In 2010 she received the Australian Psychological Society (APS) Elaine Dignan Award for her contribution to women through her profession. She is also a Fellow of both the APS and the Cairnmillar Institute.

She has just finished writing a book about intimate partner violence and is assisting the APS to develop practice guidelines for psychologists working with family violence. She has extensive experience delivering training and offering supervision to therapists.  

For all the links Carmel spoke about and her best self-care tip check out the website.

#27 - Part 3: Family and Couples Therapist, Author & Teacher Moshe Lang  

Welcome to episode 27 of We All Wear it Differently, a podcast for early career psychologists. This is Part 3 of a 3 part episode, because I recently had the pleasure of sitting down with my guest Moshe Lang, for over 2 hours in his private rooms where he’s practiced psycho-therapy for over 36 years.

We discussed his 52 years of experience, as a therapist, author, and teacher. So, i’ve split this into 3 episodes so you too can pour yourself a cup of tea, and enjoy the journey with one of Australia Best known psychologists Moshe lang.

Moshe is currently the Director of the Williams Road Psychotherapy Centre, formerly the Williams Road Family Therapy Centre, which he founded in 1979 and was the first independent family therapy centre in Australia.

Moshe was born in Israel, and migrated to Australia as a young man in 1961 to study psychology at the University of Melbourne. Between 1965 and 1979 he was senior psychologist at the Bouverie Clinic and Director of Training.

Moshe was the Foundation President of the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Family Therapy (1979-1988) and is a Past-President of the Victorian Association of Family Therapists (1982-1984).

He has published extensively in the professional literature, and has been a regular commentator on issues associated with clinical psychology and family therapy. Moshe has is co-authored numerous books on family therapy and developed the Children's Depression Scale (CDS).

Moshe is a naturally gifted storyteller, and chatting with him in his office over green tea was truly enlightening.

For more information on Moshe’s extraordinary career, please see the show notes on the website.

So lets see how we all wear it differently with Moshe Lang.

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