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  • In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Jenni Catron who is the founder of The 4Sight Group, a speaker, a leadership expert, and author of several books including The 4 Dimensions of Extraordinary Leadership.
    During their conversation, they discuss how to be self aware, how to let others speak into your life, and how to lead yourself first before leading others.
    QUOTES FROM EPISODE 12:

    “If you want to work with widgets, go work in a factory. But if you want to work with people, you are going to have to learn to love them to lead them.”
    “Great leaders put feet to vision.”
    “The foundation of all leadership is self leadership.”
    “You’ve got to give people around you permission to speak into your life.”
    “Spiritual leadership starts by following Jesus first so that we can lead others as he leads us.”
    “It is easy to think our leadership is about us and for us.”
    “As leaders, we have the power to change and affect the lives of those in our sphere of influence.”
    “Lead yourself well to lead others better.”

    RESOURCES MENTIONED
    The 4 Dimensions of Extraordinary Leadership by Jenni Catron
    Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership by Ruth Haley Barton
    Spiritual Leadership by Oswald Sanders
    Emotional Intelligence 2.0 by Travis Bradberry
    Deep Work by Cal Newport



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  • In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Bob Russell who is the former Senior Pastor of Southeast Christian Church in Louisville, KY and author of the book After 50 Years of Ministry. 
    During their conversation, they discuss the need to delegate instead of doing it all, surrounding yourself with great leaders, and having healthy conflict.
    QUOTES FROM EPISODE 11:

    “A great slogan for lay leaders in the church would be ‘we are going to make our preacher successful.”
    “A lot of young pastors try to do everything themselves instead of empowering others to lead.”
    “If you have unity at the core, you can go through a lot.”
    “I’m convinced that 80% of the problems we have on church staffs would be resolved if we practiced what Jesus said in ’if you have something against your brother, go to him and talk about it between the two of you.’”
    “If you try to please everybody, you will wind up trying to do more than you can really do.”
    “Don’t rearrange the furniture in a room of a disoriented person.”
    “The most important thing a preacher does each week is prepare his sermon.”
    “We miss out on being who God wants us to be when we try to be somebody else.”
    “Be faithful, be joyful, and trust God for the rest.”

    RESOURCES MENTIONED
    After 50 Years of Ministry by Bob Russell
    Conformed to His Image by Ken Boa
    Too Great a Temptation by Joel Gregory
    The American Miracle by Michael Medved



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  • In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Annie F. Downs, who is a speaker, podcaster, and bestselling author of many books including her newest book Remember God. 

    During their conversation, they discuss leading through unlikely circumstances, leading with influence plus compassion, and leading where you flourish.
    QUOTES FROM EPISODE 10:
    “When you are in leadership, there is a heavier mantle on you and a higher requirement.”

    “Disobedience is always disobedience, whether that is disobeying by leading or disobeying by not leading.”

    “Your personal, private devotion to Jesus will gain you influence in the public declaration of Jesus.”

    “Who you are in private is going to play itself out on the stage. Nothing stays secret.”

    “When you figure out where you flourish and why, that is where you lead best.”

    “You can only be in the wrong seat on the bus for a short amount of time before you want off the bus, even if you are the star player on the bus.”

    “We have to want more people to live in their calling more than to be on our bus.”

    “The only way you can get done everything that God has for you is to sleep.”

    “Who you are in the private of your life is far more important than who you are in the public.”
    RESOURCES MENTIONED
    Remember God by Annie F. Downs

    Garden City by John Mark Comer

    The Emotionally Healthy Leader by Pete Scazzero

    What If It is True by Charles Martin

    Blue Letter Bible

  • In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Ben Trueblood who serves as the Director of Student Ministry for LifeWay Christian Resources and has seventeen years of student ministry experience, fourteen of which were spent in the local church as a student pastor.

    During their conversation, they discuss the importance of mentors, caring more about people than the results, and the biggest keys for leadership as a student pastor.
    QUOTES FROM EPISODE 9:
    “Leadership is a call to more.”

    “Don’t think you have it all figured out. Instead, go seek a mentor to learn from.”

    “If you don’t know the people you are leading, you won’t know how to lead them.”

    “People are not a means to an end. People are the end.”

    “Hold your vision lightly and your strategy loosely.”

    “Write your mission in ink and the plan in pencil.”

    “As a student pastor, you must be secure enough in your leadership to lead with confidence.”

    “Have the humility to involve subject matter experts when you are not one.”

    “Don’t feel the pressure to always be the smartest person in the room.”

    “As a leader, you have to be okay with people not liking the direction, decision, or approach you are taking.”

    “The higher you go up in leadership, there are more meetings, so you must learn to protect your time.”

    “If you are a young leader, surround yourself with people that can help you get better and know your gaps.”
    RESOURCES MENTIONED
    Student Ministry Podcast by LifeWay Students
    Read for Your Life by Pat Williams
    Garden City: Work, Rest, and the Art of Being Human by John Mark Comer
    Good to Great by Jim Collins

  • In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Josh Patterson, the Lead Pastor over Ministry Leadership at The Village Church and co-author of the book Creature of the Word. 

    During their conversation, they discuss Josh’s leadership journey that lead him to the Village Church, and how to learn through failure, how to slow down and reflect on your leadership journey, and how to lead as the #2 guy as a strategic leader.
    QUOTES FROM EPISODE 8:
    “Starting in 2003, there was pretty tremendous growth. We grew at about 1,000 people a year for over a decade.”

    “Leaders grow through challenges. We were all in over our heads.”

    “As the organization grows, it forces the leaders to grow. And as leaders grow, it forces change into the organization.”

    “Leaders navigate and negotiate change.”

    “We must own our failures and walk humbly through them.”

    “Failure is hard, but if you are going to enter into the arena of leadership, you can expect to fall.”

    “The leaders I don’t trust the most are the ones who cannot own and admit their leadership failures.”

    “Preaching is not the only gift a church needs. It also needs strategic leaders and thinkers.”

    “Anybody can come up with a great vision. It’s a whole different thing to strategically lead toward that vision.”

    “There are some who lead because they preach, and there are some who preach because they lead.”
    RESOURCES MENTIONED
    What Leaders Really Do by John Kotter
    Overcoming the Dark Side of Leadership by Gary L. McIntosh and Samuel D. Rima
    Daring Greatly by Brene Brown


    Creature of the Word by Eric Geiger, Matt Chandler, and Josh Patterson 

  • In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Kevin Peck who is the Lead Pastor of The Austin Stone Church and co-author of Designed to Lead. 

    During their conversation, they discuss Kevin’s leadership journey that brought him to the Austin Stone and how he learned to lead in the marketplace before the church, how to develop leaders in the church, and how to scale your ministry.
    QUOTES FROM EPISODE 7:
    “Lead often and fail just as much but learn along the way because leadership is tough, so you might as well knock out some lessons early.”

    “Leadership is not this privilege of power you possess, it is a privilege of responsibility and stewardship.”

    “The economics of the kingdom are so different from the economics of the world in so many ways, especially in leadership.”

    “The best training that I ever got to do my job was actually in the marketplace, not the church.”

    “Leading people at work in the marketplace is not the same as leading volunteers, so you must lead them through vision, not a paycheck.”

    “I have so much to do that I shall spend the first three hours in prayer.” - Martin Luther

    “One of the most important parts of developing leaders is intentionality.”

    “If you never write down your systems and philosophies, it will never be replicable and scalable.”

    “I would tell a young leader to be a hard worker, be intentional with people, and be humble with correction.”
    RESOURCES MENTIONED
    Designed to Lead by Eric Geiger and Kevin Peck
    Checklist Manifesto by Atul Gawande
    Playing God by Andy Crouch

  • In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Louie Giglio who is the Pastor of Passion City Church, the Founder of the Passion movement, and author of many books including his latest Not Forsaken.

    During their conversation, they discuss Louie’s journey to founding the Passion movement, how the pain of losing his dad has shaped his leadership, and how to not read your own headlines and remain humble.
    QUOTES FROM EPISODE 6:
    “What comes into our minds when we think about God is the most important thing about us.” - A.W. Tozer

    “God is not the reflection of your earthly father; he is the perfection of your earthly father.”

    “Back in 1977, ministry looked like being a senior pastor, associate pastor, missions director, youth minister, or an evangelist, and I looked at all those boxes, and one of those boxes didn’t ring the bell for me” 

    “Leadership is communicating vision, trying to marshal people in a direction, reminding them of what God is calling them to, helping them endure the valleys and take the hills.”

    “Leadership is just taking the next step with God.”

     “Every great leader has to go through the fire. God can’t use a man greatly until he wounds him deeply.”

    “Reading your own press and reading your own headlines is the detriment to being the kind of leader that Jesus calls us to be.”

    “Humility is the greatest character trait of leadership, and it is a byproduct of being in the presence of an almighty God.”

    “Too often young leaders focus too much on the end game.”

    “What we need in this generation is less Amazon prime book ordering and more closing the closet door and getting on our face before God.”

    “The most undervalued component of leadership is simply thinking.”
    RESOURCES MENTIONED
    Not Forsaken by Louie Giglio
    The Next Right Thing by Emily P. Freeman
    So Send I You by Oswald Chambers
    Birkman Personality Test

  • In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Jackie Hill Perry who is a musical artist, speaker, master of the spoken word, and author of Gay Girl, Good God.

    During their conversation, they discuss how to deal with shame as a leader, how to lead with vulnerability, the need for having mentors in your life, and how to lead with humility.
    QUOTES FROM EPISODE 5:
    “I’m really just a person who wants to show people that God really is honest in all that he says, namely that He changes people.”

    “It is easier to be honest with people when you are honest with God.”

    “The hardest thing for leaders is that we are the hardest person to lead and our own worst enemy.

    “Our personality is not an excuse not to love or serve others.”

    “There is a wake of leadership that is left behind from our mentors.”

    “Great leaders don’t just tell you what to do, they show you what to do.”

    “We need to be careful how we steward our influence.” 

    “The stage does not equal leadership.”

    “Until a person is content with serving on the ground they should be leary of serving up on the mountain.”

    “It is easy to confuse leadership with control.”

    “Don’t believe the hype for yourself.”

    “You don’t need permission to function in your gifting and lead.”
    RESOURCES MENTIONED
    Gay Girl, Good God by Jackie Hill Perry
    Humility by CJ Mahaney
    Good to Great by Jim Collins
    The Coddling of the American Mind by Greg Lukianoff

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  • In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Levi Lusko who is the author of the bestselling books Through the Eyes of a Lion, Swipe Right, and his latest I Declare War. He is also the lead pastor of Fresh Life Church – a multisite church located in Montana, Utah, Oregon, and Wyoming.

    During their conversation, they discuss living open handed with your plans, determining the calling on your life, and how to develop leaders through asking the right questions.
    QUOTES FROM EPISODE 4:
    “When it comes God’s plan for our life, the answer should always be yes, then ask what’s the question.”

    “If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans.”

    “God is a plan-wrecker.”

    “There are two key moments in your life: the day you were born and the day you figure out why.”

    “Our natural tendency is to give all of the answers rather than ask the right questions.”

    “You will be more valuable to your organization as a genius maker than you ever will be as a genius.” - Liz Wiseman

    “When leading a team, we must remember the team is not a means to an end, they are the end.”

    “Following is an under-appreciated form of leadership.”

    “The way you lead when you are not in charge prepares you for how you will lead when you are in charge.”

    “We don’t start with leadership, we start with followership.”

    “One of my biggest misconceptions was that I had to be certain in order to act.”

    “You have to learn to be content with the season you are in while still having a mind toward the future.”

    “Be willing to act even when you don’t necessarily have the answer.”

    “God is going to do more through you than you think he can, but it is going to hurt more than you think it will.”
    RESOURCES MENTIONED
    Multipliers by Liz Wiseman
    The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership by John Maxwell
    The 21 Indispensable Qualities of a Leader by John Maxwell
    How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie
    How to Lead When You are Not in Charge by Clay Scroggins
    When by Daniel Pink
    16 Personalities
    The Path Between the Seas by David McCullough
    1776 by David McCullough
    The Wright Brothers by David McCullough
    John Adams by David McCullough

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  • In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Clay Scroggins who is one of the Lead Pastors at Northpoint Community Church. He is a jack of many trades, the master of hosting, and the author of How to Lead When You're Not in Charge.

    During their conversation, they discuss leading as a student pastor while desiring to be a lead pastor, opening yourself up to feedback, and developing your self.
    QUOTES FROM EPISODE 3:
    “We don’t need to be asking how do we get bigger. We need to be asking how can we get better. And if we get better, others will demand we get bigger.”

    “God trusts us with more responsibility when we’ve shown we are faithful in the little things.”

    “You can create an oasis of excellence wherever you are. Whether you are in a student ministry, kids ministry, or in charge of cleaning out the closets, you can create an oasis of excellence”

    “The best thing I can ever give anybody with my leadership is my personal holiness and a character of Christ.”

    “Being a student of yourself is the best evaluation. Experience alone does not make somebody great, but it is evaluated experience that makes you a better leader.”

    “There is no manual that comes with leadership. It really comes down to the health of the person.”

    “Authority is not what makes a great leader. You can do anything from any position in the organization.”

    “Getting better at leadership is just sanctification. It is God forming you into his likeness.”

    “You can’t wait for someone else to lead you. Great leaders lead themselves well.”

    “Whatever is worrying my boss, should be worrying me.”

    “Resist the urge to feel like you have to know it all. People are attracted to someone who is willing to say I don’t know and let’s figure it out together.”
    RESOURCES MENTIONED
    How to Lead When You're Not in Charge by Clay Scroggins
    Search for Significance by Robert McGee
    The Culture Code by Daniel Coyle

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  • In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Jamie Ivey, the host of the Happy Hour Podcast and author of If You Only Knew.

    During their conversation, they discuss how to deal with your past and share your struggles with others, how to wrestle with the fear of not measuring up as a leader, and how young women can grow as leaders.
    QUOTES FROM EPISODE 2:
    “With great power comes great responsibility...isn’t that a Spiderman reference?”

    “We all need to be faithful with the leadership and influence God has given us.”

    “We don’t have to seek after leadership. If God wants to give you leadership, it will seek out after you.”

    “When we share our struggles and where we’ve been, Jesus looks really good.”

    “It is essential to have people in your life who you can be completely vulnerable and honest with and lay everything on the table.”

    “You don’t have to say everything that is true. You just have to make sure everything you say is true.”

    “You can grow as a leader publicly, but be dying privately.”

    “If you want to start leading, just do the next thing that is in front of you.”

    “It is so easy to want to be in the position of someone who is 10 years down the road”

    “If you are not doing the work with the people in front of you, I don’t know how you are going to get bigger things. ”

    “If you want to get started leading, serve right where God has you.”

    “Surround yourself with really good people who love God and do really good work.”
    RESOURCES MENTIONED
    If You Only Knew by Jamie Ivey

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  • In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Carey Nieuwhof who is a former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church. He's the author of several best-selling books, including his latest, Didn’t See It Coming. He also hosts the top-rated Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast where he interviews some of today's best leaders.

    During their conversation, they discuss how to handle and avoid burnout as a leader, how to focus on helping others rather than building a platform, and why leaders need to focus more on growing in their character over their competency.
    QUOTES FROM EPISODE 1:
    “70% of leaders under 40 say that they experience symptoms of burnout.”

    “You think the rules never apply to you until they do.”

    “Live in a way today that will help you thrive tomorrow.”

    “I overestimated competency and underestimated character.”

    “Without knowledge of self, there is no knowledge of God. And without knowledge of God, there is no knowledge of self.”

    “You can be winning in ministry, but losing at home, and if you are losing at home, you are losing it all.”

    “I want to care less what the people I don’t know think about me. And I want to care about more about the impact I have on people that I actually know.”

    “People don’t care how much you know until they know how much you care.”

    “If you listen longer than most people will listen, you will hear things most people never hear.”

    “You have to be careful that your character is outpacing your platform.”

    “Seek to be helpful. Don’t seek to build a platform.”

    “Work twice as hard on your character as you do on your competency.”
    RESOURCES MENTIONED
    Didn’t See It Coming by Carey Nieuwhof
    Emotionally Healthy Church by Pete Scazzero
    The Emotionally Healthy Leader by Pete Scazzero
    The Genesee Diary by Henri J. M. Nouwen
    12 Rules for Life by Jordan B. Peterson

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  • We are excited to announce, Unseen Leadership, the newest podcast from the LifeWay Leadership Podcast Network. On the Unseen Leadership podcast, hosts Chandler Vannoy (Brand Manager, LifeWay Leadership) and Josh Hunter (Director, Student Life Camp) explore the unseen stories that have made leaders who they are today. This podcast will be featuring guests like Carey Nieuwhof, Jamie Ivey, Clay Scroggins, Jackie Hill Perry, Levi Lusko, and many more.

    Unseen Leadership is a podcast for young leaders to learn from those ahead of them by exploring the early days of their leadership, understanding the mistakes they made, and identifying the habits that shaped them. All to help you lead in the future.
    Spread the word and win!
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