Episodes
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Cole Mannix, President and Founder of Old Salt Co-op, chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about creating a vertically integrated pasture-to-plate ecosystem.
Cole’s meat company brings together ranchers to support land stewardship, fix the local food system in Montana, and make regenerative more sustainable.
They’ve integrated everything from processing, sourcing, distribution, and marketing to running their own farm-to-table restaurants.
Though his family’s been ranching in Montana’s Blackfoot Valley since the 1880s, Cole holds degrees in biology, philosophy, and theology and worked in wildlife and natural resource conservation.
His unique perspective makes for an interesting conversation. Tune in to hear Cole and Dr. Gustin discuss:
What inspired Cole to tackle this challenge
How the co-op works and whether it can be replicated
International food policies that harm US farmers and ranchers
Why it’s impossible to industrialize sustainable food production
The “impact” of cattle emissions on climate change
How solely plant-based farming devastates ecosystems
Why international meat costs less than domestic
Creating the seed oil-free Old Salt Outpost, a burger joint sending out tallow-cooked french fries
The Old Salt Festival, Outside magazine’s #2 ranked climate-forward festival
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Cole Mannix’s company: Old Salt Co-op
Outside magazine’s article: “9 Best Climate Forward Festivals in 2024“
Wendell Berry’s book: The Unsettling of America: Culture & Agriculture
E. F. Schumacher’s book: Small Is Beautiful: Economics as if People Mattered
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Lily Nichols is a Registered Dietitian/Nutritionist, Certified Diabetes Educator, researcher, and author. She discusses how to combine ancestral knowledge and evidence-based prenatal nutrition to support healthy pregnancies with Dr. Anthony Gustin.
Lily’s first bestselling book, Real Food for Gestational Diabetes, dives into why a nutrient-dense, lower-carb approach works for women worried about or managing gestational diabetes.
Her second book, Real Food for Pregnancy, is the most comprehensive text on prenatal nutrition to date — with nearly 1,000 citations that challenge conventional prenatal nutrition guidelines and confirm what our ancestors have known for generations.
Tune into the episode to hear Lily and Dr. Gustin chat about:
What inspired Lily to take this path (in a roundabout way)
What’s wrong with the current prenatal/postnatal nutrition guidelines
Foods women should be adding/avoiding during pregnancy
How hormone changes may influence pregnancy cravings (and aversions)
The “interpregnancy interval” and how long to wait between kids
The best prenatal supplements to help cover nutrient gaps
Raw eggs, seafood, saunas, cold plunges, and more!
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Lily Nichols’ website: LilyNicholsRDN.com
Lily’s books: Real Food for Pregnancy: The Science and Wisdom of Optimal Prenatal Nutrition and Real Food for Gestational Diabetes: An Effective Alternative to the Conventional Nutrition Approach
Lily’s Instagram: @LilyNicholsRDN
FullWell Prenatal Multivitamins and Seeking Health Prenatal Vitamins (for men and women)
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Dan Miller is the founder and CEO of Steward, a crowdfunding platform for investing in regenerative agriculture projects. He discusses how it all works with Dr. Anthony Gustin.
After Dan pioneered crowdfunding for real estate investing with his company Fundrise, he decided to move into something he was more passionate about: fixing the food system.
Steward empowers everyday investors to vote with their dollar and support regenerative farms beyond simply buying their goods.
Since launching in 2020, they’ve crowdsourced and provided over $30 million in short-term loans to fund more than 90 regenerative projects across the US.
Tune into the episode to hear Dan and Dr. Gustin chat about:
How Dan used what he learned scaling Fundrise to launch and grow Steward
Why financing is the biggest challenge for regenerative to become the norm and what’s wrong with the current system
The surprising new generation entering the regenerative agriculture space
How Steward vets and supports borrowers to drive returns for investors
Success stories and community impacts
What happens if there’s a default, the average portfolio yield, the minimum investors need to start, and more!
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Dan Miller’s company, Steward
The Unsettling of America: Culture and Agriculture by Wendell Berry
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Andy Schoonover is the Founder and CEO of CrowdHealth, a platform that crowdfunds healthcare costs for its members so they can ditch their health insurance plans.
He chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about why this model solves the biggest problems in our broken medical-industrial complex and brings a community-first approach back to healthcare.
Tune in to the episode to hear them discuss:
What inspired Andy to start CrowdHealth
What’s wrong with the health insurance industry
How people rack up million-dollar hospital bills
What makes paying doctors in cash at the point of care different
How crowdfunded healthcare works
How CrowdHealth members dramatically reduce their healthcare expenses
What incentivizes members to contribute to others and take better care of their health
The demographics of their members and the most common crowdfunding requests
How many claims have been denied vs. fully funded
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Andy Schoonover’s company, CrowdHealth
CrowdHealth on Twitter and Instagram
Outlive: The Science and Art of Longevity by Peter Attia, MD
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Ever wonder what gives you vitality?
Case Bradford, Primal Health Coach, chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about the best habits to elevate your body-mind health and fitness (and which devitalizing habits you should avoid).
Case is an enthusiastic advocate for authentic vitality. He and Dr. Gustin dive into how to make intuitive calls in your health rather than unquestioningly trusting the science behind your everyday motions.
Tune in to the episode to hear their thoughts on:
How to define vitality
What prevents people from reaching their peak vitality
Best habits to practice when you’re feeling physically, mentally, and emotionally drained
How to explore your own authentic, holistic vitality
The top microtoxins that devitalize us
The new rules of essential modern hygiene for better health
The benefits of local, biodynamic foods
Thoughts about fasting from a ritualistic, meditative perspective
The “pure alchemy” of making amazingly nutrient-dense ice cream
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Case Bradford’s website
Case’s Peak Earth podcast
Case’s Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube channel
The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk M.D.
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Brett Ender and Harry Gray are hosts of The Meat Mafia Podcast and co-founders of Noble Origins, a nose-to-tail nourishment company.
They chat with Dr. Anthony Gustin about entrepreneurship, spirituality, fixing a broken food system, leading a purpose-driven life, and more.
Tune in to the episode to hear them discuss:
The entrepreneurial lessons Dr. Gustin has learned
The dark side of selling a business
Finding personal fulfillment vs. chasing monetary success
Which supplements inspired Brett and Harry’s line of products
Why investing in local communities may be more beneficial than solving problems at scale
How regenerative agriculture may be the easiest way to get people back to human wholeness
What they each hope to contribute to fix the broken food system
The power of supportive local communities
What traditional religion gets wrong and how spirituality manifests in their daily lives
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Brett Ender and Harry Gray’s The Meat Mafia Podcast (Apple/Spotify/YouTube)
Brett and Harry’s company, Noble Origins
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Julie Friend is a regenerative farmer and founder of Wildom Farm. She chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about how she holistically and humanely raises multi-species in a forest and pasture-based system.
Tune in to the episode to hear them discuss:
What inspired Julie to leave Chicago (and a job in fashion) to become a farmer
What it was like adjusting from urban to rural life
Why buying from local farmers eliminates food confusion
How to build an intentional brand around a farm and diversify
The perks of opening a farm store
The differences between forest and pasture-raised pork
How species-appropriate diets and native foraging affect pigs
Achieving nose-to-tail utilization with small processors
The wave of women in the regenerative agriculture space
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Julie Friend’s Wildom Farm
Wildom Farm’s Instagram
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AJ Richards is a fifth-generation rancher and a seasoned expert in agriculture and food supply chain management. He chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about why he’s launching the Airbnb of hyperlocal food supply, where farmers and ranchers connect directly with consumers nationwide.
Tune in to the episode to hear them discuss:
The biggest issues with our current food supply chain model
Why our food chain’s fragility is a national security issue (and which countries control 85% of our meat)
What happens if the largest meat supplier in the world goes public
Why it’s so important to “shake hands” with your local farmers and ranchers
What the new “Agrarian Movement” looks like, the future of regenerative agriculture, and what AJ’s most hopeful about
Resources mentioned in this episode:
AJ Richards’s website, Feed The People By The People
Feed The People By The People’s private Discord group
AJ’s Instagram
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Chris Irvin, aka The Ketologist, joins Dr. Anthony Gustin to discuss what’s new in their health journeys and what’s bothering them about the health and wellness community.
Tune in to this episode to hear their thoughts on:
Supplements and peptides like Methylene blue and BPC-157
Why obesity is probably not genetic
The seed oil debate
Studies and influencers that spoon-feed us the wrong information about our health
The biggest problems with pharmaceutical companies and get-healthy-quick fixes
What’s concerning about US Dietary Guidelines
The magic of farmers’ markets
Why Dr. Gustin’s so excited to dive into elk hunting
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Chris Irvin’s website, The Ketologist
Chris’ Instagram
ADx Health genetic testing
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Dr. Casey Means is the Chief Medical Officer and Co-founder of the metabolic health company Levels. She chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about the eight “pillars” of metabolic health and how to reach your peak state.
Metabolic dysfunction is at the root of almost all modern health conditions. Those diseases are responsible for 9/10 of the leading causes of death in the US.
So Dr. Gustin and Dr. Casey kick off their conversation by discussing the two biggest ways society is harming our cells and underpowering our bodies.
Then they explore what it takes to overcome those obstacles, stop being a “product” for corporations to exploit, and take back your health.
Along the way, the pair discuss topics like:
The problematic concept of exercise
What people don’t understand about prediabetes
The truth about triglycerides vs. LDL cholesterol
How to assess your metabolic health (& the most important test to get)
Leveraging CGM data as an effective biofeedback tool (it’s more than noticing blood sugar spikes)
The best tips to improve your metabolic health, from easy to advanced
How to win a free Levels kit!
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Dr. Casey Means’ company Levels
Dr. Casey’s Instagram and Twitter
Dr. Casey’s giveaway: Enter to Win a Free Levels Kit!
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Myles Snider is a chef, real food enthusiast, and creator of 80/20 Cooking. He chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about the benefits of intuitive cooking and their shared food philosophies.
As you’ll hear, intuitive cooking is the exact opposite of following step-by-step recipes.
It’s about mastering the basics and using all your senses to freestyle healthy, nourishing meals that make the most of local, seasonally available, fresh ingredients.
So in this episode, Myles and Dr. Gustin dish about food shopping tips, biodynamic farming, and why “almost any food can be healthy.” They even brainstorm a few reasons for why you feel hungry and unsatisfied after eating at the best restaurants.
Other topics include:
The difference between well-cooked food and a nourishing meal
Why stressing about food macros may do more harm than good
How your location and season naturally influence your eating preferences
Foods Myles avoids
Using high-quality condiments (like oils, vinegars, and the best ketchup!) to add excitement to simple staple meals
How to transform “unhealthy” foods into nutritious noshes
The magic and science of open-fire cooking (and why it’s the best cooking skill)
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Myles Snider’s 80/20 Cooking courses
Myles’ Twitter and Instagram
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Cliff Pollard is the CEO and founder of Cream Co. Meats, which distributes, markets, and directly invests in over 20 small producers and sustainable, regenerative, family-owned farms.
He chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about what it takes to even the playing field between mainstream and farm-direct distribution.
Many of us don’t like to think about what happens to an animal after it leaves a farm and before it winds up on our plates. But as Cliff explains, this middle step is a huge challenge for small, regenerative producers across the country.
They discuss how this “missing middle” infrastructure for farmers to get their products to the consumer has changed over time and how Cliff’s team is working to fix our broken system.
You’ll also hear about Cream Co.’s exciting Beef-to-Institution program that’s bringing grass-fed and finished meat from regenerative farms to 30 public schools in California.
Other topics in this episode include:
How many steps in the supply chain it takes to go from farm to fork
What happens when animals go from the pasture to commodity processing
The difficulties small/medium farmers and ranchers face getting to market (and Dr. Gustin’s own first-hand experience)
The “spectrum of sustainability” when comparing sustainable vs. regenerative producers
Mobile meat processing units
Whether small farms should invest in an online store with direct-to-consumer shipping
How you can support small, local regenerative producers
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What are the best times to wake up, eat, work out, focus, and sleep according to circadian biology? There’s an app for that!
Bastian Groiss is the director & co-founder of Circadian, an app that helps you achieve a more natural state of health by aligning your daily activities and location with circadian biological timing.
Dr. Anthony Gustin chats with Bastian about his ongoing curiosity with circadian biology. They discuss how different sunlight stages impact everything from our energy levels, moods, and mental performance to modern-day diseases and our overall well-being.
In this episode, you’ll hear about:
The evolutionary relationship humans have with sunlight
Why it’s almost scientifically impossible to be healthy or happy spending 99% of your day indoors
How indoor light (natural vs. artificial) and outdoor light (UVA vs. UVB) affect our bodies
Why phasing out incandescent light bulbs may be a mistake
The circadian biology way to start your mornings with more energy (sans caffeine)
What an “overdose” of blue light may cause
The four circadian cues that optimize our bodies for health and wellness
Getting over the comfort crisis
Resources mentioned in this episode:
The Circadian App
Primal Body, Primal Mind by Nora T. Gedgaudas
“Cold Thermogenesis 6: The Ancient Pathway” by Dr. Jack Kruse
The Comfort Crisis: Embrace Discomfort To Reclaim Your Wild, Happy, Healthy Self by Michael Easter
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Sarah Kleiner is a Quantum Health Coach with the Quantum Biology Collective (levels 1 & 2). She chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about how to use circadian biology to reset hormone imbalances and improve your health.
Sarah also shares her best tips for combatting “invisible” light sources from WiFi and non-native EMF (and why we should do so).
You may know Sarah from the carnivore community, where she enjoyed and touted the health benefits of carb-free living. But after struggling with multiple failed IVF rounds and miscarriages, she turned to circadian biology, quantum health, and local, seasonal food.
The results shifted her entire platform, which you’ll hear about during the episode.
Sarah and Dr. Gustin also explore:
How light and low-carb diets impact hormones like leptin, cortisol, and melatonin (and how those imbalances affect your health)
How a leptin resistance protocol helped Sarah optimize her hormones, lose 30 pounds, and give birth at 43 (without excessive dieting and exercise)
The power of local, seasonal food
Why deuterium may be the secret to better health and anti-aging (and the best food sources for it)
Simple, natural, free tips to get more sunlight and get your circadian biology back on track
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Sarah Kleiner’s website
Sarah’s Instagram
Sarah’s free guide to Building the Perfect Quantum Day
Sarah’s courses (use code PODCAST for 10% off any course!)
Dr. Jack Kruse’s website
Dr. László Boros’s website
The Fourth Phase of Water: Beyond Solid, Liquid, and Vapor by Gerald H. Pollack
The Invisible Rainbow: A History of Electricity and Life by Arthur Firstenberg
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Dr. Chadi Nabhan is an oncologist who testified as an expert witness in the first three litigation trials against Monsanto and their potentially cancer-causing herbicide Roundup.
He chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about all the “courtroom drama” and research he uncovered.
Roundup is the most common weed killer in the world. Glyphosate (the active ingredient) taints our soil, waterways, and food — it’s even in 97% of people’s urine.
Dr. Nabhan specializes in Non-Hodgkin’s Lymphoma, a disease in which malignant cancer cells form in the lymph system. He explains Roundup’s link to cancer and other health conditions and why the courts have been ruling plaintiffs billions of dollars in damages.
You’ll also hear about:
The chemical history of glyphosate
Why Roundup’s formulation increases glyphosate absorption in our skin
How researchers in the Agricultural Health Study (AHS) and regulators like the EPA mishandled the science linking glyphosate to cancer
Why the internal “Monsanto Papers” reveal the company knew about these dangers all along
What Roundup-ready seeds (i.e., glyphosate-resistant plants) mean for the health of our food system
Dr. Nabhan’s new book: Toxic Exposure: The True Story Behind The Monsanto Trials And The Search For Justice
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Dr. Chadi Nabhan’s website
Dr. Nabhan’s Twitter
Dr. Nabhan’s book: Toxic Exposure: The True Story Behind The Monsanto Trials And The Search For Justice
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Georgie Ryan comes on the show to teach Dr. Anthony Gustin all about quantum health and circadian biology.
Quantum health is a new rabbit hole Dr. Gustin is eager to explore. It suspends everything we know about nutrition to take a nano-perspective of how electrons from our food and environment give us energy.
As Georgie explains, macronutrients like carbs and fat are only one way to power our bodies. He shares four more ways we can soak up electrons (and one that may be even better than food).
But we can’t really leverage those electrons without the power of UV light. So Georgie breaks down the basics of circadian biology, which is how sunlight influences everything from our hormone and neurotransmitter production to our gut microbiome.
Tune into this episode, and you’ll also hear about:
Foods with the highest availability of electrons
Water and hydration from a quantum perspective
How to follow an ideal circadian rhythm optimized for each sunlight phase
Why sunlight during the UVA rise sets the tone for how you feel the rest of the day
The most important meal in circadian biology
The nuances of melatonin for your body’s repair and restoration cycles (and how to avoid suppressing it)
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Georgie Ryan’s website, Georgie’s Gardens
Georgie’s Instagram
Douglas C. Wallace, PhD, the doctor studying the role of mitochondrial energy in human health and disease
The Fourth Phase of Water: Beyond Solid, Liquid, and Vapor by Gerald H. Pollack
The Circadian app
GembaRed and EMR-TEK: red and near-infrared lights
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James Arthur Smith is the founder and CEO of Seatopia. His carbon-neutral, certified mercury-safe seafood subscription box relies on seafood farmers who practice regenerative aquaculture.
Not familiar with the term?
It’s like regenerative agriculture, but in the water instead of on land.
James explains the nuances of aquaculture farming to Dr. Anthony Gustin. He discusses how it increases biodiversity, restores ecosystems, and produces healthier fish for us.
They talk about seafood provenance and why farm-raised vs. wild-caught isn’t the right question to ask (and highlight which questions you *should* be asking about your seafood).
There’s so much misinformation in our seafood supply chain that it’s easy to feel confused and stop eating fish altogether like Dr. Gustin did.
But just like regenerative agriculture is changing the way we farm, regenerative aquaculture is becoming the future of mercury-safe, antibiotic-free, sustainable seafood farming you can feel good about.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
How Shamu and a steelhead trout breeding and hatchery program ignited James’ passion for regenerative aquaculture
When farm-raised is better than wild-caught fish
The dark side of commercial and line-caught fishing
How microplastics and heavy metals like mercury get into our water systems and move up the sealife food chain
What sushi-grade fish means and why sushi chefs don’t work with fresh, wild-caught fish
How the carbon footprints of farm-raised vs. wild-caught fish compare
Best practices for freezing, storing, and using frozen fish
Resources mentioned in this episode:
James Arthur Smith’s company, Seatopia
James’ LinkedIn
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Paul Greive is a USMC War Veteran and the co-founder of Pasturebird, the world’s largest daily-move pastured poultry operation. He also helped launch Primal Pastures, a direct-to-consumer regenerative organic farm in southern California.
Paul chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about how he got into farming, why he credits Lyme disease for kicking off his interest in regenerative agriculture, and how his startups were born.
They also discuss the importance of raising animals in their natural pasture habitat, both for the environment and the added nutritional benefits.
Paul then explains the difference between pasture-raised, cage-free, and free-range chickens. Then he and Dr. Gustin talk about why geese are totally underrated in the US.
You’ll even hear how Pasturebird uses the largest land-based electric vehicles in the world to help their chickens automatically move a full spot every 24 hours.
Tune in to the episode to discover more about:
The challenges of scaling pasture-raised poultry
The major cost drivers of getting chicken from the pasture to your table
Biomimicry and the next big wave in ag tech
A better financing model for regenerative farming, including tokenization and fractional ownership of farmlands
Paul’s thoughts on the Farm Bill and other government programs and regulations
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Paul Greive’s direct-to-consumer regenerative organic farm Primal Pastures
Paul’s pasture-raised poultry company Pasturebird
Paul’s LinkedIn
Paul’s mentor Joel Salatin
Find your local pasture-raised farm at Getrealchicken.com
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Imagine having a window into your own body — before you’re sick or symptomatic enough to warrant an MRI from your doctor.
Andrew Lacy is the founder and CEO of Prenuvo, a health tech company specializing in proactive whole-body diagnostic imaging. He chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about patient-driven early detection of cancer and other major health issues.
Despite following the best wellness routine, most of us don’t have a black-and-white picture of how our lifestyle will affect our health trajectory over the next 10 or even 20 years.
Uncovering this data could be our catalyst for change.
It may empower us to make more informed decisions to advocate for our long-term wellness. It may change our “I feel good today, so why worry” mindset. And it may even help us catch early signs of cancer at stage 1 instead of suffering the devastating shock at stage 4.
Dr. Gustin and his wife recently went for Prenuvo scans, which you’ll hear about during the episode. He and Andrew also discuss:
The perfect candidates for proactive screens.
The general flow of how the screening process works.
The importance of early detection for everything from cancer and aneurysms to back problems and issues caused by chronic metabolic disorders.
The pros and cons of different imaging processes (CT vs. MRI vs. X-ray).
What can/cannot be detected, and the most commonly detected conditions.
The advantages and challenges of using AI in imaging analysis.
Where insurance companies stand on preventative scans now and in the future.
Using your scan data as a catalyst for taking better care of your health.
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Andrew Lacy’s Prenuvo (visit Prenuvo.com/AG for $300 off your Whole-Body scan)
Andrew’s Twitter
The Johns Hopkins pancreatic cancer study Andrew mentioned
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Dr. Jill Crista is a leading expert at the forefront of diagnosing and treating mold-related illnesses. She comes on the show to discuss how mycotoxins harm your health while flying under the radar of conventional testing and medical protocols.
A trained functional medicine naturopath, Dr. Jill first encountered mold sickness when she couldn’t help a group of Lyme disease patients feel better. Turns out, all but one tested positive for mold.
Dr. Jill then moved into a new house with an uninvited resident (hint: it was mold) and watched her family struggle with symptoms before realizing the cause, further prompting her research.
If mold is lurking anywhere, it’s affecting you.
But you can naturally detox your body and heal using the wisdom Dr. Jill shares in this episode, including:
Common symptoms of mold sickness.
The best collection models and tests for your home and health.
Why inspectors and medical experts turn a blind eye to mycotoxins (even though they cause 70-80% of mold sickness symptoms).
How mycotoxins change your immune system and increase allergy sensitivities.
The best ways to eliminate mycotoxins and help your body naturally detox (including which foods to eat and avoid).
What makes mold more aggressive and encourages more mycotoxin production (and why routes like burning clean incense may help).
Mentioned in This EpisodeDr. Jill Crista’s website
Dr. Jill’s free handout sheets
Dr. Jill’s book Break the Mold
Dr. Jill’s Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube
More ResourcesThe Natural State Podcast 154: Evan Brand - Getting Mold, Mycotoxins, and More Out of Your Body and Environment
The Natural State Podcast 147: Brian Karr - How to Tell If You Have Mold in Your Home and What You Can Do About It
The Natural State Podcast 125: Dr. Robin Berzin - Making Functional Medicine More Accessible
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