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  • ESG is in hot water - Is it just simmering or is it spoiling?

    When Elon Musk tweets “ESG is a scam” that “has been weaponized by phony social justice warriors.” and a day later, an HSBC executive says that “climate change isn’t a financial risk that we need to worry about,” and then after that Former Vice President Mike Pence writes an opinion in WSJ that “ESG is elevating left-wing goals over the interests of businesses and their employees”...You start to wonder - What is all this fuss about? And why now?

    This week we dig into the future or collapse of ESG as we know it, and is all this attention making ESG better or worse? And later on in the episode Bill McKibben returns to the podcast to talk about his latest venture mobilizing ‘The Greatest Generation’ to take action on Climate Change call Third Act - and his new book, ‘The Flag, the Cross, and the Station Wagon: A Graying American Looks Back at His Suburban Boyhood and Wonders What the Hell Happened. What a title!

    And of course, be sure to stick around for an exclusive podcast performance of ‘Leaving Song’ by Max Jury.

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    READ: Could Google’s Carbon Emissions Have Effectively Doubled Overnight?

    READ: The Carbon Bankroll

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    ACT: Make My Money Matter

    Thanks to our guest this week, Bill McKibben!

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    NEW: Bill’s New Book - The Flag, The Cross, and The Station Wagon

    Thank you to our musical guest this week, Max Jury!

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  • Regenesis: Feeding the World without Devouring the Planet is the title of George Monbiot’s new book and an essential challenge that we explore in this Future of Food episode, with the help of George and three other guests committed to transforming our food system. As the current global food crisis continues to push more and more people to the brink of starvation, join us as we take a deep dive into the root causes of the crisis. Surface with a diverse and exciting range of solutions that could ensure we have a ‘glocal’ diverse food system, and a paradigm shift in the way we produce protein that regenerates our planet and feeds our population.

    Our four contributors to this episode are: George Monbiot, celebrated author, activist and environmentalist; Dr Laura Pereira, Associate Professor at the Global Change Institute at the University of Witwatersrand in Johannesburg, South Africa and a researcher at the Stockholm Resilience Centre at Stockholm University in Sweden; Dr Ruchika Singh, Director of Sustainable Landscapes and Restoration at the WRI or World Resources Institute in India; and Josh Tetrick, Co-Founder and CEO of Eat Just Inc. You can find their short biographies and links to their work and media platforms below.

    All of our guests were incredible, but a special acknowledgement goes to Ruchika who recorded her interview during the middle of a heat wave in India. It should bring home to us all how climate change is already severely affecting particular regions right now.

    A huge thanks as ever to The Ikea Foundation for supporting us with the making of this episode. Please check out their wonderful work using the links below:

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    Solar Foods the precision fermentation company mentioned by George Monbiot who are making food from thin air. Definitely one to watch!

    The Land Institute - Perennial Crops - the initiative mentioned by George Monbiot

    Tolhurst Organic - The Oxfordshire Farmer doing incredible things with soil mentioned by George Monbiot

    Laura’s Mentions

    Scaling Out, Scaling Up, Scaling Deep by Michelle Moore. You can read up to 100 articles per month for free on this site if you register.

    Ruchika’s Mentions

    The Land Accelerator | World Resources Institute

    TerraFund for AFR100



    Thank you to our guests this week:

    George Monbiot, Author, Environmentalist and Activist (photo credit Guy Reece)

    George Monbiot is an author, Guardian columnist and environmental activist. His best-selling books include Feral: Rewilding the land, sea and human life, Heat: how to stop the planet burning, and Out of the Wreckage: a new politics for an age of crisis. George cowrote the concept album Breaking the Spell of Loneliness with musician Ewan McLennan, and has made a number of viral videos. One of them, adapted from his 2013 TED Talk, How Wolves Change Rivers, has been viewed on YouTube over 40m times. Another, on Natural Climate Solutions, that he co-presented with Greta Thunberg, has been watched over 60m times. George’s latest book, Regenesis: Feeding the World without Devouring the Planet, was published in May 2022.

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    Dr Laura Pereira, Associate Professor at the Global Change Institute at the University of Witwatersrand in Johannesburg, South Africa and a researcher at the Stockholm Resilience Centre at Stockholm University in Sweden

    Dr Laura Pereira is a member of the Seeds of Good Anthropocenes project and leads two current projects, the first is a Formas funded project entitled “Seeding transformative futures for people and nature in Africa ” and the other is an H2020 project in collaboration with EAT called “Foodtrails”. She also works with Guillermo Ortuño Crespo on a small project to realise transformative scenarios for the high seas using the Nature Futures Framework.

    Pereira co-ordinates the SRC’s module of the Bosch Stiftung Transformational Leadership Post-doc Academy. She is also actively involved in MSc student supervision and gives a lecture on sustainability transformations as part of the MSc course.

    Pereira holds a DPhil in Geography and Environmental Science from the University of Oxford. She completed her BSc (Hons) majoring in Zoology, Ecology and Law at the University of the Witwatersrand and read for an MSc in Nature, Society and Environmental Policy at St Hilda’s College, Oxford.

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    Dr Ruchika Singh, Director - Sustainable Landscapes and Restoration, WRI India

    Dr. Ruchika Singh leads the Sustainable Landscapes and Restoration programme in India. Till January 2019, Ruchika anchored the restoration opportunity assessments for the Landscape Restoration programme at WRI India. Ruchika brings over eighteen years of extensive experience of conducting evidence-based research, programme management, assessments and evaluations related to various aspects of forest, water, tenure, resource rights, landscape management and governance issues, taking into consideration social inclusion and gender, from an interdisciplinary lens.

    Ruchika also contributes to Cities4Forests, an initiative focused on helping cities better conserve, manage, and restore inner forests (such as city trees and urban parks), nearby forests (such as green corridors and watersheds) and faraway forests (such as tropical and boreal forests). Ruchika works closely with Kochi (India) to help them maximize benefits from trees and forests for water, air quality, biodiversity, climate, livelihoods and more.

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    Josh Tetrick, co-founder and CEO, Eat Just, Inc.

    Josh Tetrick is CEO & co-founder of Eat Just, Inc., a food technology company with a mission to build a healthier, safer and more sustainable food system in our lifetimes. The company's expertise, from functionalizing plant proteins to culturing animal cells, is powered by a world-class team of scientists and chefs spanning more than a dozen research disciplines. Eat Just created America’s fastest-growing egg brand, which is made entirely of plants, and the world’s first-to-market meat made from animal cells instead of slaughtered livestock. Prior to founding Eat Just, Tetrick led a United Nations business initiative in Kenya and worked for both former President Clinton and Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf. As Fulbright Scholar, Tetrick taught schoolchildren in Nigeria and South Africa and is a graduate of Cornell University and the University of Michigan Law School. Tetrick has been named one of Fast Company’s “Most Creative People in Business,” Inc.’s “35 Under 35” and Fortune’s “40 Under 40.” Eat Just has been recognized as one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Companies,” Entrepreneur’s “100 Brilliant Companies,” CNBC’s “Disruptor 50” and a World Economic Forum Technology Pioneer.

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  • Scientists are reporting that there is now more carbon dioxide in the air than ever before, and with OPEC recently agreeing to accelerate oil production following pressure from the Biden administration to stabilize global markets, what gives? And with cracks showing in the EU as energy prices start to bite, is there a way through this crisis that keeps us on track with the goals of the Paris Agreement?

    Our guest this week has her own solution. We speak to Tzeporah Berman about her journey to form the big and bold Fossil Fuel Non-Proliferation Treaty, and what the impact is of the Stockholm 50+ President’s communique calling for a phase out of coal, oil and gas.

    And stick around ‘til the end for some amazing feel good music this week - ‘No Te Rindas’ by Charmant Mushaga!

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    WATCH: Tzeporah’s TED Talk - The Bad Math of the Fossil Fuel Industry

    Thanks to our guest this week, Tzeporah Berman!

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    Thank you to our musical guest this week, Charmant Mushaga!

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    WATCH: ‘All Year Summer’ - Live performance

    WATCH: Solo Nylon Acoustic Live Performance

    READ: Charmant Mushaga: The refugee who has found stardom in Uganda

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  • Today, a special bonus episode in your feed from British model, actress, climate activist and podcaster, Lily Cole.

    In this episode of ‘Who Cares Wins’, Host Lily Cole interviews Christiana Figueres on how to maintain daily optimism, why more women in leadership will deliver a better world, and how systemic change and a livable future can begin with me and you.

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  • Reactions to the now infamous presentation of the suspended HSBC Head of Responsible Investing, Stuart Kirk, is still a source of considerable outrage here at Outrage + Optimism. Kirk’s presentation entitled "Why investors need not worry about climate risk" peddled such dangerous climate disinformation that it prompted Christiana to refer to it in her brilliant op-ed in Investor Week as one of the most irresponsible public statements we have heard in years. In this week’s episode brace yourself for Paul’s no holds barred account of what he really thinks about Stuart Kirk’s views and hear Christiana expand on why opinions like Kirk’s threaten the emergence of stakeholder capitalism. Tom’s insightful analysis further links the growing movement of incumbents rallying against ‘woke capitalism’ with the corporate disclosure of emissions and climate risk that is about to be regulated in the US and the EU.

    Thankfully our main interview this week features a previous, much loved, Outrage + Optimism guest Rebecca Solnit, and the inspirational Thelma Young Lutunatabua whose Not Too Late project offers us the tools to tackle this current wave of disinformation, and provides tangible stories of hope. Hear how the project aims to invite newcomers to the climate movement, as well as providing climate facts and encouragement for people who are already engaged but weary. Listening to these two incredible women speak about Not Too Late ‘rang a bell of truth in our souls’ as Thelma so beautifully puts it in the interview.

    Sit back and be sure to enjoy the remarkable track Preacher Man by Mica Millar.

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    Mentioned links from the episode:

    Not So Moral Money? - link to the Business Green article Christiana mentions in the episode that deunks Stuart Kirk's presentation.

    On Being podcast episode with Tarana Burke speaking about the need for ‘revolutionary grace’ mentioned by Thelma.

    A HUGE thank you to Adam, James and the team at Airaphon this week for editing this week’s podcast while Clay is away!

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    Thank you to our musical guest this week, Mica Millar!

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  • Finally, some optimism for future generations!

    First, in Australia, the massive success of the so-called ‘teal’ female candidates, who are not aligned to either of the major political parties, but have essentially swept to power across a number of states. This, along with long-awaited Labour victories…Does this mean the climate wars are over in Australia? We dialed up Dean Bialek, lead negotiator and legal advisor to the world’s island states (AOSIS) in negotiations that led to the 2015 Paris Agreement on climate change and current Head of Policy & International Strategy at CWP Global, to give us a quick update on what this major swing in Australian politics means for climate!

    And for our main interview this week, we sit down with Sophie Howe, Future Generations Commissioner for Wales. Her role is linked to the Welsh Government’s 2015 Wellbeing and Future Generations Act, which requires public bodies in Wales to think about the long-term impact of their decisions. Described by the Big Issue Magazine as one of the UK’s leading Changemakers, her interventions have secured fundamental changes to land use planning policy, major transport schemes and Government policy on housing - ensuring that decisions taken today are fit for the future, and especially future generations in Wales.

    And this week a special Outrage + Optimism EXCLUSIVE performance, 'Quémalo' by Kathy Palma (ft. Reyli Barba).

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    READ: The Welsh Government’s 2015 Wellbeing and Future Generations Act

    LISTEN: Repsonse to Listener Review - 4 O+O Episodes on Food Systems

    Thanks to our guest this week, Sophie Howe!

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    And thank you to Dean Bialek for joining us!

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    Thank you to our musical guest this week, Kathy Palma!

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  • In this episode, we talk about the impacts of living through a global energy crisis while living through a climate crisis.

    Inflation is running at 10% in most major economies, the highest in decades. This is driven primarily by the cost of food and energy. And while most of us are aware of higher prices at the pump and on energy bills, today we focus on the hardest place it is hitting: Africa.

    Since 2019, 4% of Africans have lost access to affordable energy, undoing a decade of gains. And with a desire in the Global North to get off of Russian Gas, there is higher demand for gas, and therefore pushing more and more people out of the ability to afford it. This week in response, African Ministers made the case for expanding gas production in Africa, amidst a climate crisis.

    So that’s the setup for this week’s discussion - we bring in Rachel Kyte, Dean of the Fletcher School at Tufts University to argue the case on how to move forward out of this complicated situation.

    And be sure to stick around ‘til the end for a brand new tune from Carmody titled, “Mother.”

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    READ: Vanessa Nakate’s Op-Ed in Aljazeera

    READ: SG António Guterres’ 5 Point Plan on Renewable Energy

    VOTE: Time is running out to vote! Go to EnvironmentalMusicPrize.com to vote for your favorite 3 songs. Voting ends May 22nd!

    Thanks to our guest this week, Rachel Kyte!

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    Thank you to our musical guest this week, Carmody!

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  • Cities are where we will lose or win the climate change battle.

    Chapter 8 of the IPCC report on mitigation reported that more than half of the global population now lives in cities, and that proportion is expected to grow to about two-thirds by 2050.

    That is a lot of people. And that’s a lot of emissions.

    As of 2020, urban areas are the source of about 67-72% of emissions with about 100 of the highest emitting urban areas [currently] accounting for approximately 18% of the global carbon footprint.”

    But with problems like urban heat, growing disparities in income and access to food and healthcare, how are mayors uniquely empowered to adapt to everything a climate emergency brings with it?

    This week, we have the Mayor of London and Chair of C40, Sadiq Khan. He shares his personal journey with being diagnosed with Adult-Onset Asthma after breathing in too much pollution in London, and how educating the public and bringing people along with you in your leadership is the way forward to cleaner, greener cities.

    And this week a special sample of Environmental Music Prize finalist, Holy Holy with their song ‘Hello My Beautiful World’

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    LEARN: CDP Cities, States and Regions Open Data Portal

    VOTE: Environmental Music Prize

    Thanks to our guest this week, Sadiq Khan!

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    Thank you to our musical guest this week, Holy Holy!

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  • Does Putin’s invasion mark the end of the Fossil Fuel Era?

    In this week’s episode we look at how the Russian invasion in Ukraine and subsequent energy crises are impacting energy deals between developed and developing countries ahead of COP27.

    We also subject our guest, Kingsmill Bond of RMI, to a round of Paul’s new painfully-condescending evil oil baron persona as we put his optimistic assertions on the green energy transition to the test.

    And be sure to stay tuned until after the interview for a brand new song with main-character energy titled, ‘End Transmission’ from Stelios Vassaloudis.

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    Mentioned links from the episode:

    READ: How Putin’s War Marks the End of the Fossil Fuel Era

    LISTEN: The Climate Change and Happiness Podcast

    READ: ‘Generation Dread’ by Brit Wray

    Thanks to our guest this week, Kingsmill Bond!

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    Thank you to our musical guest this week, Stelios Vassiloudis!

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  • What on Earth is happening in the US on climate policy?

    This week, a look at US federal climate policy ahead of the US midterm elections. We explore the scarily-small-and-measured-in-weeks amount of time we have to pass meaningful climate legislation before the US midterm elections, and where the optimism is in Senate blocked legislation, a so-called ‘Conservative’ leaning Supreme Court, and a Presidential Administration dealing with fossil fuel addiction issues - Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and high prices at the pump.

    So, with the help of the NRDC’s Manish Bapna, we discuss whether it is still possible to squeeze through an acceptable climate package that would put The States back on track to achieve their net-zero goals, AND why his outrage fuels his optimism in the midst of seemingly insurmountable challenges.

    Plus! Stick around after the interview for the room shaking track ‘My Mama’ by musical guest, Dizraeli.

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    NEWS: India’s Heatwave is about to get worse

    READ: ‘The Ministry For The Future’ by Kim Stanley Robinson

    REST: Resources for Dealing with Climate Anxiety

    DAME: Christiana Figueres is Now A Dame

    Thanks to our guest this week, Manish Bapna!

    Manish Bapna | President & CEO | Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC)

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    Thank you to our musical guest this week, Dizraeli!

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  • Australia is turning up the volume on environmentalism for the world to hear!

    If you turned on your favorite music radio station, would you know we’re in a crisis?

    Only 1% of songs in National Australian premier radio station Triple J’s Hottest 100 (2.5M+ votes) over the last 5 years directly referenced environmental issues…and that’s following mass bleaching of The Great Barrier Reef, The devastating Australian Bushfires of 2019-2020, AND a recent study before COP26 that reported 75% of Australians are concerned about climate change.

    So why is Australian mainstream music so culturally disconnected from a population overwhelmingly environmentalist? We know artists, bands, and musicians have been and are currently creating environmentally-minded music, so how do we get those songs into the mainstream?

    Our guest today, Edwina Floch, recently launched The Environmental Music Prize - A new $AU 20,000 prize that amplifies the voices of artists who inspire action for climate and conservation. The prize launched during the UN Climate Summit, and it's a global first and a call-to-action for artists to create and submit powerful music videos that celebrate nature and encourage us to defend it.

    Every movement needs anthems. The search is on!

    Enjoy the show and stick around to hear some amazing music from music artists Montaigne, In Hearts Wake, Little Green, Billy Otto, and King Stingray!

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    Mentioned links from the episode:

    WATCH: All the Music Videos by the finalists for The Environmental Music Prize!

    VOTE: Vote for your favorite Environmental Music Prize finalists!

    DONATE: Keep The Environmental Music Prize going!

    LEARN: Learn more about The Environmental Music Prize!

    Thanks to our guest this week, Edwina Floch!

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    WATCH: ‘Ready’ Music Video (feat. School Strike For Climate Activist Fergus Clarkson)

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  • As many around the world turn inward this week, we bring you a special episode featuring Christiana Figueres from ‘The Way Out Is In’ podcast.

    Many of us are looking for a way out of the crises we face. Climate, biodiversity, ecological, nature, health, wealth inequality…not to mention the deeply personal, familial, and interpersonal. A quick log in to twitter, checking the news, or reading the latest IPCC report reveals to us that we are on a path towards breakdown. We know there is a pathway out of this ‘atlas of human suffering’ as United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres recently said, but how do we chart that path?

    This week, we suggest that the way out of suffering is in it.

    Today we are sharing an episode from ‘The Way Out Is In’ podcast, produced by Plum Village, the Buddhist Monastery founded by the Late Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. Thich Nhat Hanh and his teachings were a vital support to Christiana in the lead up to the Paris Agreement and beyond.

    In this episode, you’ll hear co-hosts Jo Confino and Brother Pháp Hữu invite Christiana on to share deeply about what brought her to Plum Village, both now and years ago during her first encounter with Thich Nhat Hanh; her journey to a spiritual practice that helped her overcome a personal crisis, and the transformative power of practices such as ‘deep listening’ and ‘interbeing’ on the negotiation process of The Paris Agreement.

    So get comfortable, settle in, and join us for a special listen to Episode #21 of ‘The Way Out Is In’ - Being the Change We Want to See in the World: A Conversation with Christiana Figueres

    [Content warning: This episode includes mentions of suicidal thoughts at 00:25:00 for approximately two minutes – listeners who could find this discussion distressing may wish to skip this section.]

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    Next ‘The Way Out Is In’ Recommended Episodes To Listen To:

    War And Peace (Ukraine)

    Zen and The Art of Saving The Planet

    Wise Leadership w/ Lindsay Levin

    WATCH: ‘A Cloud Never Dies’ on YouTube

    READ: ‘Zen and The Art of Saving the Planet’ by Thich Nhat Hanh

    DOWNLOAD: The Plum Village App

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  • "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

    - MLK (1963)

    This week, we reject our flawed, siloed thinking and embrace the oneness of social justice and environmentalism as a singular, inclusive movement.

    In the Summer of 2020, our guest, Leah Thomas, coined the term “Intersectional Environmentalism” with a graphic she shared to Instagram that read, “Environmentalists For Black Lives Matter” as a call out to all environmentalists to stand in solidarity with BIPOC communities that face compounding social and environmental injustices daily. The Instagram post went viral, and the pledge she introduced along with it, The IE Pledge, has reached over a million people.

    And so now that it’s 2022 and counting, how can we continue to root ourselves in that moment of clarity in 2020 and hold to the truth that you don’t have to separate race or racial justice from environmental advocacy? How can we scale climate solutions while advocating for marginalized communities all the while not making excuses for extractive industries?

    We’re also joined this week by special co-host Abigael Kima, a young energy expert and climate activist from Kenya .She is the producer and host of the new Hali-Hewa (Swahili for ‘Climate Change’) podcast, which will profile African activists and climate experts airing through to COP27 on themes including a just energy transition, loss and damage, youth participation in intergovernmental processes and indigenous rights.

    And —- Stick around for 3-Time GRAMMY Award Winning Artist Fantastic Negrito performing a live version of his song, “Rolling Through California”!

    Enjoy the show!

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    Mentioned links from the episode:

    ACT: Take the Intersectional Environmentalist Pledge

    LISTEN: IE’s Brand New Podcast ‘The Joy Report’

    READ: MAPS (Marine Arctic Peace Sanctuary)

    WATCH: How Black Lives Matter and Environmental Justice Are Connected

    READ: The NAP Ministry



    Thanks to our guest this week, Leah Thomas!

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    Thank you to our Co-Host this week, Abigael Kima!

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    Our musical guest this week is Fantastic Negrito!

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  • The World’s scientists have come together on behalf of the web of life to deliver the most comprehensive review of how we can mitigate the effects of climate change.

    So what’s in this latest IPCC report? The latest from Working Group III covers a broad spectrum of topics: from mitigation pathways and in-depth sectoral analysis to finance, international cooperation, net-zero and carbon dioxide removal… Let’s simplify that - Mitigation. This report lays out how we’re going to mitigate the effects of climate change. Because make no mistake, climate change is here and gaining speed. It’s up to us to listen to the scientists and follow their guidance to slow it down.

    So, here to guide us through this new report is Ko Barrett, Vice Chair, IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) and Senior Advisor for Climate, NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration). Ko is widely recognized as an expert on climate policy, particularly on issues related to climate impacts and strategies to help society adapt to a changing world. Not only was she one of the first women elected to serve as a vice chair of the IPCC in 2015, but she oversaw this latest report, gracefully and skillfully convening the global scientific consensus on this crucial report on Climate Change. An incredible achievement.

    This report informs business leaders, policy makers, activists, influencers, artists…everybody. Listen in to hear what makes this report unique, how to avoid doomism on climate, and what it’s going to take to get to a livable future.

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    READ: WG3 AR6 IPCC Report



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  • What do you get when you swap the office for a classroom and our hosts for school pupils? An incredibly special episode, we hope you’ll agree.

    Yes, that’s right – this week’s conversation is brought to you from Totnes Progressive School, where the children were joined by an extraordinary guest: Dr Jane Goodall DBE, Founder of the Jane Goodall Institute and United Nations Messenger of Peace.

    With the support of Outrage + Optimism’s Tom Rivett-Carnac and his sister Bee, who together wrote and illustrated a children’s book voiced by Dr Goodall, the pupils take it in turns to ask about their guest’s experiences, work, and thoughts on the future.

    From Dr Goodall’s memories of her own childhood to reflections on what children now can do to help in healing our planet, this is a moving lens on a remarkable life spanning nearly nine decades. Dr Goodall shares lessons from her mother about working hard and not giving up on dreams, as well as how together we can – and will – change the world.

    We hope you find this conversation as inspirational as we do.

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    READ: When We All Stopped LISTEN: When We All Stopped narrated by Dr Jane Goodall

    Thank you to our amazing guest this week, Dr Jane Goodall DBE!

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  • For years in the Global North, our dialogue around climate change has been focused on the idea that it is a looming disaster with consequences that would happen in the future if we did not take immediate action. The recent years of extreme weather events where we saw flooding in Germany and London and heat waves and storms across Europe and the United States, brought the reality home that climate change was happening NOW.

    But for those living in Africa and the Global South, this ‘looming disaster’ has been a reality for decades. While the devastation, droughts, famines, wars over life-sustaining resources and refugee crises that climate change has caused might not make the headlines in the Global North the way Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has, the impacts of climate change on these frontline communities is nonetheless devastating and requires attention and action NOW.

    Which is why this week we invited one of the incredible female voices from the frontline of the climate crisis in Uganda, Vanessa Nakate, an activist and founder of the Rise Up! Movement, onto the O+O podcast so we could share her concerns and action points first hand with our listeners.

    In this intimate, in-depth interview with Christiana, Vanessa shares her journey from Ugandan school girl to world renowned climate activist. She tells us about her passion for gender equality and why she believes it is synonymous with bringing the climate crisis to justice, and why Loss and Damage must stay on the agenda for COP27, touted by many as The African COP.

    Keep your ears open because Vanessa gives a clear call to action to any listeners who want to help African activists get their voices heard during COP 27. Vanessa asks that businesses, organizations and individuals consider supporting African activists either through providing accreditation for COP27 or through funding. If you can help please reach out via social media to Vanessa directly or via the Rise UP Movement’s website.

    And stick around until the end of the episode to hear the soul-stirring Ugandan musical artist Afrie perform her single, “Let Her Know”.

    Enjoy the show!

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    Mentioned links from the episode:

    DONATE: Vanessa’s Solar and Stove Project

    ACT: Fridays For Future’s 4 Digital Strike Actions

    WATCH: Vanessa Nakate asks Global North Ministers the “Thumbs Up” Question

    READ: A 10-Point Plan to Reduce the European Union’s Reliance on Russian Natural Gas

    READ: Christiana pens an alternative ending to ‘Don’t Look Up’ for Netflix



    Thanks to our guest this week, Vanessa Nakate!

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    Our musical guest this week is Afrie!

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  • As the news from Ukraine unfolds quickly, detailing the tragedy Ukrainian citizens are living through, our hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson cut straight to the roots of what is fueling this conflict - Our global addiction to fossil fuels.

    What is our response as a global community to this crisis and many other current violent crises when many will argue climate action isn’t affordable and we should ramp up independent oil and gas production? Will we gather ourselves around the moral clarity that we need to end the violence by breaking our addiction once and for all?

    Because our addiction is fueling the conflict we are watching our neighbors and our neighbor’s children suffer. It’s time to quit.



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    WATCH: Ukraine Video Showing Mock Footage of Paris Air Attacks

    READ: China, Russia Agree to 30-Year Gas Deal via New Pipeline

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  • Welcome back to our series on the Future of Food!

    In this episode, we’ll explore the significance of adaptive transformation in global food systems. How do farming and consumption play into creating an inclusive, just, and beautiful future?

    From empowering women farmers in Africa, to telling the story behind every piece of organic produce, from considering food value over food price, to what to ask at your grocery store, we examine why urgent transformation is needed to protect the people – and land – growing our food against the increasingly devastating impacts of climate change.

    You’ll hear from:

    Wanjira Mathai | Vice President + Regional Director for Africa, World Resources Institute Volkert Engelsman | Founder + CEO, Eosta Jenipher Sambazi | Coffee Farmer + Vice Chair, Mount Elgon Agroforestry Community Cooperative Enterprise Elen Jones | Co-Founder + Director, Jenipher's Coffi Ed Davey | Policy + International Engagement Director, Food and Land Use Coalition + Co-Director, WRI UK Helena Leurent | Director General, Consumers International

    So with food being at the heart and centre of the human story, there’s not a minute to waste. Let’s get on with it!

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    MORE LISTENING: Outrage + Optimism’s previous episodes on The Future of Food

    READ: What is Plum Village?



    Thank you to our amazing guests this week, Volkert Engelsman, Wanjira Mathai, Jenipher Sambazi, Elen Jones, Ed Davey and Helena Leurent!

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  • All eyes are on Ukraine as we watch the horrific events unfold as a result of Russian aggression. Are we sliding toward a global catastrophe or seeing the birth of a new political order? How will we know which one awaits us?

    This week, we speak to former UK Foriegn Ministers David Miliband and the Rt Hon Lord William Hague. We pitch to them this question of, “how will we know which one awaits us?” as we admire the resilience of the people of Ukraine and witness the inextinguishable might of people power.

    Is this the ironic end of global energy dependence on a petrostate or the resurgence of fossil fuel infrastructure for the sake of energy independence?

    No simple answers ahead.

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    Mentioned links from the episode:

    READ: William Hague’s piece from 2019 in The Telegraph - Conservatives Have to Take the Climate Crisis Seriously

    READ: David Miliband’s latest in NYT - Ukraine Presents a Moral Crisis, Not Just a Military One

    CATCH UP: Outrage + Optimism’s previous episodes on The Future of Food

    LISTEN: Our episode from Tuesday on the Latest IPCC Report



    Thanks to our guests this week, William Hague and David Miliband!

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  • The latest IPCC Report from Working Group II on Impacts, Adaptation, and Vulnerability comes at an unprecedented moment in human history. A moment too late to avoid all effects of climate change baked into an already 1.1C warmer world, and a moment not too late to adapt humanity and all species to our increasingly important target of only 1.5C of warming.

    In a strikingly clear connection this report makes between human and ecosystem vulnerability, the science is clear; Either we adapt, or we perish. Because between 3.3-3.6 Billion humans are currently living in areas “highly vulnerable to climate change”.

    So, with over 270 scientists that poured over 34,000 publications and assessed 127 risks telling us to adapt now, Now, NOW! …how do we cut to the heart of those at the levers of economic and governmental power already dealing with war, famine, a pandemic, the list goes on.

    This week, Patrick Verkooijen, CEO of the Global Center on Adaptation joins us to lay out the findings of this next section of the IPCC report, and how tapping into humanity’s enlightened Self-interest (with a capital S) can take investment now into adaptation and promise exponential returns for humanity, as well as all species on Earth.

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    Mentioned links from the episode (and others):

    READ: The IPCC Report: Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability

    WATCH: IPCC Press Conference + Secretary-General of The UN’s Address

    LISTEN: Our Episode with Michael Mann on the previous Working Group I contribution to the IPCC Report

    Thanks to our guest this week, Patrick Verkooijen!

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    CEO | Global Center on Adaptation

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