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  • 01:34:31

    Part 41 - Dr. Frank Mitloehner Dismantles Every Myth You’ve Ever Heard about Cows, Methane, Climate Change, Animal Welfare, The Environment, Meat Eating, and More

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    You guys are in for a treat. Dr. Frank Mitloehner is about to destroy every argument every anti-meat propaganda spewing know-it-all has ever let slip from their quinoa-loving lips. I’d list them all to get you fired up, but it would take too long. You’re just going to have to listen up and pay attention to every second of this episode.

    Dr. Mitloehner has a masters in Agricultural Engineering and Animal Science from University of Leipzig, Germany, and a PhD in Animal Science from Texas Tech University.

    He’s currently a professor and air quality specialist at UC Davis and conducts research and outreach that is directly relevant to understanding and mitigating air emissions and greenhouse gases from livestock operations, as well as the implications of these emissions for the health and safety of farm workers and neighboring communities.

    He has served as chairman of a global United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) hosted partnership project to benchmark the environmental footprint of livestock production. This is big, everyone. He’ll talk about how he helped correct the FAO data (which is the world leader in this kind of information). These are the bogus statistics used in the film Cowspiracy and that vegan activists still try to use today. He corrected the scientists and showed that the numbers were completely false.

    He’s also published dozens of papers on the topics we’ll be discussing today and travels the world giving lectures on this as well.

    All this talk about livestock is making me hungry. I’ll have to drop a plug in for my grass fed meat company Nose to Tail which you can find at http://NoseToTail.org It’s keeping this podcast alive and hopefully me as well. We have some amazing products like the Primal Lite ground beef with liver, kidney, and heart mixed right in. It’s so good, I’ve been eating a lot of it lately, and you don’t even taste all those nutrient dense bits and pieces. This is such a great way to get in your vitamins and minerals. It’s basically the world’s best multivitamin - a delicious patty of sustainably grown beef raised right here in Texas.

    We’ve got great boxes you can get delivered to your door or you can also create your own. You gotta at least check this stuff out at http://NoseToTail.org I spent a long time creating the site myself and am very proud of it.

    If great steak isn’t your thing then you also can support this show on Patreon at http://patreon.com/peakhuman or click through the show notes. For a few dollars a month you can keep this thing chuggin along and also get the full extended show notes. These things are like a free college education… or better. Like this podcast, a lot of work has been put in them.

    You can also grab the “It’s what else you EAT not the MEAT” t-shirts while getting a copy of the Food Lies film at http://Indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post

    We still definitely need your support as we try to scrape enough money together to keep these editors fed. They’re down for the cause. They’re eating beef and skipping out on those worthless carbs and sugars. Trust me, they’re living this stuff and making this film the best it can be.

    So keep me from taking on any outside sponsors and support these worthy causes and ventures. I really appreciate it everyone, this wouldn’t be possible without the generous support of the community. Thanks again and here’s Dr. Frank Mitloehner, my new favorite guy around.

    EAT The MEAT http://NoseToTail.org

    SHOW NOTES

    What he does on a day to day basis to study animal agriculture, emissions, air quality, and climate change Vegan propaganda films like Cowspiracy made people believe animal agriculture caused more GHG than the whole transportation industry The report “Livestock’s Long Shadow” was publicly retracted https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/climatechange/7509978/UN-admits-flaw-in-report-on-meat-and-climate-change.html He helped to show that they used totally different inputs and methods that In California transportation is responsible for 50% of all emissions and livestock is only responsible for 5% In the US livestock is actually 3.9% of direct GHG emissions and all fossil fuel sources combined is 80% according to the EPA What is a Life Cycle Assessment (LCA) and what is it for beef? They created the global partnership LEAP which he was the first chairman of Created global guidelines to circumvent these problems for the future but many people still use these flawed statistics despite knowing they are wrong Those that are anti-meat fall closer to that of a religion than of dietary preference Cattle are raised on pasture for 2/3 of its life (regardless of if they are grass-finished or grain-finished) When calculating water needed to raise cattle, rain water (green water) was included which is not sensible Water that goes into an animal is excreted and serves as fertilizer, it’s a cycle Water needed to make almond milk vs dairy milk is 17X higher The water argument for fruits and vegetables vs animal products is misleading and must take into account your entire food choices Our food choices will affect the lives of others no matter what diet you follow Animal proteins are far more bioavailable than plant proteins Biological value of animal products in ratios that are well-suited for humans needs to be talked about more Environmental impact of plant proteins are relatively low but the nutritional value of these are lower than animals In the US 90 million beef cattle and 9 million dairy cows Vast majority of beef cattle (~75 million) are on pasture at any given time and 15 million are in feedlots Cattle only spend 4 months in feedlots the rest of their life they are on pasture Over their lifetime cattle consume 85% non-edible animal feed Study mentioned: Tackling climate change through livestock (FAO) Cattle are very efficient, they make use of a resource that humans cannot (cellulose) Humans cannot digest cellulose The vast majority of ruminant-produced food stems from the digestion of cellulose which humans can’t do anything with 2/3 of agricultural land in the world is “marginal land” which cannot be used to grow crops Ruminants are going to be very important for population growth Domesticated animals and pets contribute to GHG (e.g. horses which there are 9.5 million of vs only 9 million dairy cows) People critique livestock’s carbon footprint but not these companion animals Feedlots aren’t as bad as we think Each feedlot animal has enough space, fresh water, a specific nutritional diet, and the animals are cared for Corn-finished steer will be on pasture for about 10-11 months and then will go to a feedlot for 4 months Grass-finished will be on grass its entire life (~26-30 months of age) The carbon impact of feedlot animals is actually less than grass-fed The hormones in meat argument is totally bogus US has the lowest environmental impact of any livestock producing country in the world (3.9% of GHG for all livestock combined) 12% of all GHG in the world stem from the US and 11 of the 12% that the US contributes stems from fossil fuels and 1% of this stems from food production 0.5% of the total GHG in the world comes from plant production and 0.5% comes from livestock 40% of food in US ends up in landfills and most are fruits and vegetables Fossil fuels are carbon sources and every time they are burnt you release carbon into the atmosphere CO2 stays in the atmosphere for ~1000 years Methane from ruminant animals starts from plants taking CO2 from the atmosphere combined with sunlight, used to produce cellulose and oxygen, now the animal eats the plants and exhale CO2 or they convert it to methane from the microbes in the animal’s stomach Methane stays in the air for ~10 years because methane is very different from CO2 Livestock contribute to the CO2 cycle, the amount that animals add to the atmosphere is equal to the amount that is destroyed Fossil fuel derived gases just add to the atmosphere, whereas methane is consumed and destroyed CO2 has a GWP (ability of gas to store heat from sun) of 1 Methane has a GWP of 28 but the lifespan of these gases matter Methane is not just generated it is also destroyed whereas CO2 is only generated Problems with the Lancet “Planetary Diet” proposed by scientists that feel we should be plant-based claiming that this diet will protect human health and will be better for the environment Claims about a plant-based diet that were falsely advertised that impact our decisions GHG and carbon impact statistics in the Eat Lancet report were very flawed 150 years ago, we had 60-100 million wild ruminants (particularly bison) and today we have ~90 million beef cattle and they emit pretty much the same amount of methane The total amount of methane from ruminants has really not changed in the US since we just replaced natural herds of bison with domesticated herds of livestock What has changed is the number of cars and travel emissions Many misrepresented citations in the Eat Lancet paper Lab grown meat vs farm-raised meat Keeping cell-based meat “clean” of pathogens is very difficult, they are very artificial, and still require a ton of energy input There are 400 different products from a beef and therefore foregoing the whole animal means you need alternatives to all of these products Animal agriculture is a business and getting rid of this sector means many unintended consequences “Impossible Burger” cannot be sold in supermarkets because the FDA has not approved “soy leghemoglobin” to be sold, yet you can buy it in restaurants 84% of all vegans stay vegan for 1 year The total consumption of beef vs beef-like products is much higher, and shows that this movement is not as large as we think The most important decision we make day to day is what we eat and our decisions should be made with facts We are responsible for providing animals with the best quality of life and we must honor the animals that feed us

    EAT The MEAT http://NoseToTail.org

    Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post

    Film site: http://FoodLies.org

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies

    Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com

    Follow along:

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    Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/
  • 02:08:07

    Part 40 - Paul Saladino, MD: Animal Food vs. Plant Food, The Conclusion

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    We’re back for the conclusion of this mighty animal vs. plant food discussion. Paul is a beast on this science and I think it’s really interesting to think about this in a whole new way than most of the mainstream nutrition world has for the past 60 years.

    We’re a day late because I’ve been desperately trying to launch my Grass Fed meat company Nose to Tail which you can find at NosetoTail.org which we mention in this episode. I couldn't release this episode until the website was live. So guess what? We’re now selling grass finished American-grown beef raised in the heart of America in Northeast Texas as of right now. I’ve spent over a year figuring this out and searching for the right ranch to partner with. My guy is the real deal.

    We have grass fed, grass finished beef, buffalo and lamb, pasture raised Omega-3 pork, and omega-3 chicken. We specially formulate the diet of the pigs and chicken for an incredible Omega-6 to Omega-3 ratio is 1.5:1 to 1.7:1. This is huge. If you’ve been listening to the experts I’ve been interviewing we want our ratio right around this range.

    We sent the pork and chicken to a lab for analysis and you can see the full fatty acid profile results on my site Nose To Tail.org. To give some context this blows away even pastured poultry at an 8:1 ratio and free range poultry at an 18:1 ratio. Our pork tested at 1.5:1 and conventional pork is 20:1.

    I’m most excited about the primal mixes. We have beef, buffalo, and pork primal mixes with either 30% organ meat mixed in or 5%. We’re talking liver, heart, kidney, and spleen. You can get all the extra nutrients without dealing with the taste that is harsh for some.

    At the risk of going on too long, we also are offering tins of cod liver in their own oil, wild caught sardines, and bone meal. These things round out the ultimate nose to tail diet and are what I’ve been eating regularly in my diet. So many great things with these including huge amounts of omega-3s, huge amounts of vitamin A, calcium, magnesium, phosphorous, the list goes on.

    Just check out NosetoTail.org and check out all the boxes and products. I’m so excited about this I can’t believe it’s finally here. This is such a win-win-win-win-win. It’s good for your health, it’s supporting an amazing ranch, it’s helping regenerate the soil and the environment, the animals are raised well and are happy, and it even supports me so I can keep putting out this content and finish the Food Lies film, etc. Thanks so much and I know you’re going to enjoy it.

    Now onto the rest of the discussion with Paul. We cover everything else you can imagine from coffee, more plant toxins, longevity and anti-aging research, the Blue Zones myth, advanced glycation end products and heterocyclic amines in cooked meat, mTor, the balance of Methionine to Glycine (which is another reason to eat Nose to Tail and why not buy it from NosetoTail.org and get the best stuff around), Paul’s workouts, inflammation, APOe4, safest plant foods, and more.

    This is an episode where you really need the extended show notes Kristi has been doing that are available to Patreon supporters. You can go to http://Patreon.com/peakhuman and support the show there and get access to the very comprehensive show notes she put tons of time into from this week and last, plus from Dr. Thomas Seyfried and Dave Feldman.

    So now you have a whole bunch of ways to support the show and the film from $2 on Patreon, to preordering the film and getting your name in the credits on Indiegogo, all the way up to a giant $200 box of grass fed meat delivered to your door. I really appreciate your support and let’s jump in with Paul and hear why eating nose to tail is so great.

    BUY THE MEAT NosetoTail.org

    Show Notes

    Recap on last episode - fiber, polyphenols, plant toxins, no need for hormetic stressors when we can mimic them with lifestyle stressors such as exercise, cold stress, heat stress, etc. Risk of thyroid impairments from sulforaphane Bruce Ames paper: Dietary pesticides 99.99% all natural Carcinogens in coffee Dangers of oxalates Tea, coffee, and oxalates What are lectins and how do they disrupt the gut Phytic acid as a plant anti-nutrient Minerals in plants are bound to phytic acid and render them non-bioavailable Paul’s own personal cutting out grains and having major benefits on his stress fractures from ultramarathon running Resveratrol and its benefits but also its autoimmune potential Anti-aging research is becoming a stream of biohacking and using molecules instead of diet and lifestyle All the benefits from these anti-aging molecules can be achieved through living a “radical” life We have enough stressors in our modern environment, we don’t need more from plants Carcinogens and cooked meat Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons (PAHs) and Heterocyclic Amines (HCAs) in cooked meat and how to cook your meat to limit them Advanced Glycation End Products (AGEs) are in cooked plants and meat Acrylamide in coffee The dangers of a carnivorous lifestyle Environmental toxins in animal fat are no different than toxins in plants mTOR and why we shouldn’t be afraid of protein Insulin vs leucine effect on mTOR Building muscle on a carnivore diet Paleo anthropology perspective of a carnivore diet Problems with Blue Zones Genetics vs diet in Blue Zones Methionine-Glycine balance and why this is important Importance of calcium on a carnivore diet BUY THE MEAT http://NoseToTail.org Why you should consider adding bicarbonate to your water Flaws in the ethical argument for veganism Paul’s workouts What Paul’s currently questioning - APOE4 and saturated fat, endotoxins, electrolytes Meat and inflammation Would Paul feed his kids a carnivore diet? Safest plant foods Fermented foods

    Where to find Dr. Paul Saladino

    Email: paulsalidinomd@gmail.com

    Instagram: @paulsaladinomd

    Website: www.paulsaladinomd.com

    Twitter: @mdsaladino

    Facebook: Paul Saladino MD

    BUY THE MEAT http://NoseToTail.org

    Support me on Patreon! http://patreon.com/peakhuman

    Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post

    Film site: http://FoodLies.org

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies

    Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com

    Follow along:

    http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg

    http://instagram.com/food.lies

    http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg

    Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

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  • 01:53:58

    Part 39 - Paul Saladino, MD on Everything You Thought You Knew About Food Might Be Wrong

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    Wow. Get ready for this one, everyone. Paul and I have been talking constantly for weeks and we have something special for you. This is a 2 part, 4 hour series that covers everything you can imagine on plant and animal foods.

    If this is your first time listening, make sure to go back and start at episode 1. To catch people up I’m Brian Sanders and I’ve quit my job and dedicated my life to studying health and nutrition. I’m trying my best to be unbiased and to simplify the conflicting advice out there and distill down concepts into something anyone can understand. I’m not a doctor or nutritionist. I’m a mechanical engineer and I’ve lost both of my parents to chronic disease and have set off on my own path for the last 4 years to study this topic and make sure I don’t fall to the same fate. My role is the curator, the communicator, the curious mind collecting and spreading this information. I’ve interviewed over 100 of the top scientists, doctors, nutritionists, fitness experts, and other health professionals and have come to find some simple truths that I’d like to share.

    Today I’m talking to Dr. Paul Saladino who received his MD from the University of Arizona and is also a Certified Functional Medicine Practitioner. He has quickly become one of the leading voices and experts on animal-based diets and nose to tail eating. He’s a good friend and a wealth of knowledge. We just got back from Paleo f(x) in Austin and are getting ready to shoot the final interview for the Food Lies film. You guys are in for a treat.

    But first I have to ask for your support. I’m working almost every night until midnight these days trying to keep up with all my projects and content creation. So far I’ve done this all for free and it’s taking a toll on me and definitely my non-existent bank account. You can support me directly by joining my Patreon - you can go to http://Patreon.com/peakhuman or search for Peak Human on Patreon, or of course click through in the show notes. A couple dollars a month goes a long way. You can also support me through the Food Lies film which is still on Indiegogo. We have all kinds of great perks like your name in the credits, the Eat Meat shirt, and the Real Foods coin. Thanks so much, I really appreciate it, and it’s not possible without you. Now please enjoy the wise words of Dr. Paul Saladino.

    Preorder Food Lies: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post

    Support me on Patreon! http://patreon.com/peakhuman

    SHOW NOTES

    Food directly contacts our body everyday Food is a signal to the body and affects us on a cellular level, it is so much more than calories and macros If your blood markers improve on a vegan diet your doctor would praise you, if you told them you did it with a carnivore diet they would tell you to stop People have a very difficult time believing that plants could be bad High D15 nitrogen values in the bones and collagen of neanderthals and early humans confirm humans were eating primarily animals Studies referenced: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6421459/ https://www.pnas.org/content/106/38/16034 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-41033-3 Humans evolved as facultative carnivores Plants were our fallback foods during times of starvation “Thriving vegans” would probably thrive more if they ate animals If you enjoy plants eat them but animal foods are the ideal foods for humans Study showing male height is associated with high quality animal proteins Eating nose to tail is basically a multivitamin for humans in the most bioavailable form There are no unique nutrients in plants that we can’t get from animals The history of fiber and how it got associated with health No real evidence to suggest fiber protects against colon cancer Meat does not cause colon cancer Major flaws in the fiber deprived mice study showing mucosal layer in the gut degraded in the absence of fiber but with no symptoms or association with disease or inflammation Fiber and health is based on epidemiology and confounded with healthy user bias Asian countries show opposite association between meat and all-cause mortality than western countries Plant sources of vitamins and minerals are either in a non-bioavailable form or bound to other minerals that inhibit their absorption Vitamin C requirements are a lot less than we think Polyphenols are plant defense molecules What are free radicals? Polyphenols trigger our own antioxidant defenses but we can get these same responses with less damaging stressors like exercise, cold therapy, or sauna Sulforaphane can be harmful even if it does trigger a hormetic response Sulforaphane inhibits iodine absorption and can lead to hypothyroid Herbivores co-evolved with plants and have different strategies to deal with plant toxins than humans Fruits and vegetables have never actually been shown to have any benefit in humans in controlled studies Curcumin shows results in a test tube but there are no double blind placebo controlled clinical trials to show that it is beneficial When curcumin enters the body it is immediately detoxified and excreted Black pepper inhibits the detoxification of curcumin We should actively avoid black pepper Plants are not going to create the ideal micronutrient or antioxidant status in humans

    Where to find Dr. Paul Saladino

    Email: paulsalidinomd@gmail.com

    http://Instagram.com/paulsaladinomd

    Website: www.paulsaladinomd.com

    http://Instagram.com/mdsaladino

    Facebook: Paul Saladino MD

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    Support me on Patreon! http://patreon.com/peakhuman

    Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post

    Film site: http://FoodLies.org

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies

    Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com

    Follow along:

    http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg

    http://instagram.com/food.lies

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    Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

  • 01:32:13

    Part 38 - Chris Bell on Family, Addiction, Carnivore, Life, & Documentaries

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    Welcome back everyone, I’m Brian Sanders and I’m the founder of Sapien.org and the filmmaker behind the feature-length documentary Food Lies.

    Today we have fellow filmmaker and neighbor of mine, Chris Bell. We’re making similar films and have a lot of similar ideas on nutrition. We’re both coming at it from different angles and I think they’re going to really push the movement forward in unique ways. He has some solid advice on filmmaking as well as life. All the films he has made are awesome and he’s a really interesting and genuine guy. I definitely enjoyed spending time with him talking about all my favorite topics.

    You can get the Real Foods coin I gave him in the middle of the episode on our Indiegogo page while getting a copy of the Food Lies film. They’re these nice, large metal challenge coins I designed and are actually really cool. We might only have 10 left so get them while you can.

    If you’ve already preordered the film or don’t have the cash lying around to do so, and you're getting some value from this podcast, I’ve also made a Patreon to help support this show and keep it ad-free. People have been reaching out to sponsor it but I’ve been turning them down. I’d rather give this brief message here in the beginning allowing the community support it instead of having to break for annoying ads, even if the products are something I believe in. Thanks for making this possible - just go to Patreon.com/peakhuman or click through the link in the show notes and you can throw as little as $2 per month at this endeavor and keep it afloat. I sincerely appreciate it and really love our tribe we are forming. I’ll be at Paleo f(x) this weekend so give me a shout if you’re there. Now here’s Chris Bell.

    Support me on Patreon! http://patreon.com/peakhuman

    SHOW NOTES

    We’ve met up a lot lately and realized we definitely not making the same film Vinnie Tortorich is also making a great film to complete the trifecta called Fat Filmmaking is a long, slow process The film changed once he got his parents involved He some health problems and an epiphany They started out wanting to call it War On Carbs Struggle with addiction is real He made the film Bigger, Faster, Stronger which is awesome. He looks a lot better than he did 10 years ago when he filmed it Going back to the beginning with powerlifting and his brother Mark Bell He doesn’t believe there’s any evidence for needing carbs to build muscle You can see his photos on a keto diet and carnivore diet http://instagram.com/bigstrongfast Steroid use The war against carbs is his personal journey Eating well is “sobriety from bad foods” Spread messages through love instead of hate Vegan bodybuilders Being fit is synonymous with being healthy for the most part and also very important as you age He made the movie A Leaf of Faith about kratom Feedlot beef vs. grass finished, omega 3 to omega 6 ratio, and all the intricacies Who do you believe in all this conflicting information? Colesterol, LDL, statins, and metformin He also made the movie Prescription Thugs How do you know when the documentary is finished and you found the story? We watch vegan content to make sure we’re on track and not ruining the world Carnivore adjacent The SAPIEN diet is just eating for nutrient density, focusing on protein, embracing fat, and minimizing carbs http://sapien.org/diet His movie is turning more into a family story Chris Bell on Instagram http://instagram.com/bigstrongfast

    Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post

    Support me on Patreon! http://patreon.com/peakhuman

    Film site: http://FoodLies.org

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies

    Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com

    Follow along:

    http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg

    http://instagram.com/food.lies

    http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg

    Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

  • 01:40:03

    Part 37 - Sally Norton, MPH on Oxalates, Plants Hurting Your Health, and Never Eating Spinach Again

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    Sally Norton has a degree in nutrition from Cornell University and a Masters of Public Health from the UNiversity of North Carolina. She managed a five-year, National Institute of Health-funded program at the UNC Medical School. She’s a nutrition consultant, speaker, and an all around oxalate expert.

    This is a sad story with a happy ending. Sally’s life goal from age 5 was to study nutrition and help people be healthy. She followed all the traditional advice and ate a very plant-heavy vegetarian and even vegan diet only to have 30 years of health problems because of that diet.

    At first all this oxalate stuff is hard to believe. It’s talked about so little and there’s not a lot of mainstream knowledge on it in the medical community. We talk some real science a little ways into the episode, so know it’s coming. Also for people who may be skeptical of how bad oxalates are you can go to the vegan site veganhealth.org/oxalate and see the comprehensive mile-long list of problems and warnings about oxalates. Yes, a vegan site warning about plant food dangers. This is not some wacky carnivore idea people.

    I just started a Patreon for this podcast. I really want to keep this ad-free and I’m getting multiple offers for sponsorships. This is a huge amount of work I do completely on my own and I don’t think I have the bandwidth to keep it up much longer. I’ll spare you the details of how many hours it takes me weekly to put it out, but just know it’s way more than you think. I’ll continue keeping this a high quality and from what I’ve heard valuable resource for people if I can get the support of the community. We are a tribe and everyone does their part to keep things moving. I appreciate all the messages I get that help keep me motivated when the hours get long. Even people’s suggestions on guests really help. This episode was possible from 1 or 2 listeners who kept mentioning Sally and her work. Thanks so much for supporting me in all my efforts. This will allow me to keep putting out content on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube as well. Please go to Patreon.com/peakhuman and become a member of the tribe there. Just a couple dollars a month really helps. You can also get more perks like extended show notes and bonus content we’re just beginning to put out or an invite to the private Slack group. That’s http://Patreon.com/peakhuman Thanks in advance, and here’s Sally Norton.

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    Sally had a lifelong quest to be in the nutrition and wellness space Despite eating plant-based diets all her life and focusing on what she thought was good nutrition, she had major health problems Some books convinced her to vegan and soon she could barely walk up and down stairs and got pneumonia multiple times per year She finally figured out it was the build up of oxalated from all the plants foods she was eating She published a great paper “Lost Seasonality and Overconsumption of Plants: Risking Oxalate Toxicity” https://jevohealth.com/journal/vol2/iss3/4/ How come she has all this training and she didn't know a thing about oxalates? We actually knew about oxalates in the 1700s and 1800s Populations like the Irish drank a lot of tea, ate a lot of potatoes, had greens in season, and rhubarb in the spring - all of these have high oxalate Spinach and whole grains have a lot of oxalate They did tests on rats to see calcium absorption of and we saw that spinach wasn't delivering calcium - same for iron and folate The nutrients also degrade quickly unless the spinach is kept very cold the entire time after harvest (which is basically impossible) All USDA data on nutrition in plant foods are wrong and don’t account for bioavailability Nutrients drop significantly in spinach after harvest, especially when not refrigerated to a very cold 4 degrees celsius More and more people are heading towards mostly animal foods as they learn about bioavailability and antinutrients and listen to their body The carnivore movement has been great to just let people know it’s ok to eat only animal foods World War 1 is when we started relying on fallback plant foods she thinks. We invented the idea of the victory garden I was out with a girl from Peru who was laughing at Americans for eating green vegetables - the mainly eat meat, fish, and starches. She talks about why we even think vegetables are so great in the first place Our natural state is now a diseased state Biggest current problems are toxicity and deficiency High oxalate foods: nuts, seeds, brassica veg, potatoes, some berries If doctors don’t have a remedy for it, you don’t have a disease Calcium is being blamed for what oxalates are doing Science behind oxalates Range of oxalate poisoning that could kill you is 3.5 grams - 30 grams A guy died of oxalate poisoning from sorrel soup Cases of people with permanent kidney damage from juice/smoothie cleanses Kidney disease is on the rise faster than anything in the last few decades There’s so many other toxins your kidney needs to deal with these days besides the oxalate She’s read about 3,000 studies and articles on oxalate over the last 4.5 years of research Oxalates travel all over the body before going through your kidney to be detoxified Even vegan sites warn about the enormous problem of oxalates https://veganhealth.org/oxalate/ Whole system is skewed supporting plants foods Researchers aren't doctors don’t have time or aren't curious enough or can't get funding to do all this research She’s had major foot problems most of her life due to oxalates and it kind of ruined her career Susan Owens has great data on oxalate accumulation http://lowoxalate.info Clive Solomons and the Pain Project http://www.thevpfoundation.org/effective_treatment.htm Comprehensive oxalate charts http://lowoxalate.info/recipes.html USDA food charts don’t account for bioavailability and 10-15% of the data is just wrong A lot of oxalate problems are determined by how much is getting through the intestinal tract and how compromised it is / what problems you have like IBS, etc. If you're constantly getting low doses of oxalate your immune system is constantly cleaning it up so you won’t really see any major problems… but that’s not good at all We need to eat seasonally for a real reason - to give our body a break from different foods that may be giving us problems if eaten in excess Herbivores evolved differently to be able to handle oxalates Even these can die if they are stuck somewhere where they only have access to high oxalate food She’s working on some proposals and a book Her site is http://sallyknorton.com Her Instagram is http://instagram.com/sknorton

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  • 01:23:30

    Part 36 - Dr. Mark Cucuzzella & Zach Bitter on Fat Adapted Running, Fine Tuning Your Body, and Helping the Community

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    Today we have a double header with 2 great figures as well as athletes in the low carb community.

    Zach Bitter is the 100 mile American record holder and 12 hour world record holder for ultramarathons. He hosts the Human Performance Outliers podcast with Dr. Shawn Baker and has learned many lessons from amazing people along the way. He has wealth of knowledge of fat adapted athletics and fueling himself with meat while healing his body.

    But first we have Dr. Mark Cucuzzella who is a Professor of Medicine at West Virginia University medical school, Fellow of the American Academy of Family Physicians, a Family physician for 20 years, and a Lt Col in the US Air Force Reserves. He’s doing such great work in his hospital and community and has implemented some very beneficial programs. He’s a great guy and was a big supporter of the film early on.

    He brings up that Zach Bitter was actually in the FASTER study that previous podcast guest Dr. Jeff Volek famously did that rewrote the textbooks on fat oxidation. Lot’s of good stuff her beyond running!

    Thanks again for helping us finish the Indiegogo campaign. We hit our goal, but that certainly wasn’t the amount needed to finish the film. You can still preorder a copy of Food Lies on Indiegogo by clicking through FoodLies.org. Get the limited edition Eat Meat shirt there and check out the other perks - that’s at FoodLies.org.

    A quick update about me - I just started training for a Decathlon at UCLA. I’m going to do it running on meat and fat. Many of you probably saw the video of me pole vaulting for the first time in over 16 years on social media. This is going to be awesome. Everyone there thinks I’m insane for doing it at 35 while never having done most of the events before, let alone all of them in 2 days at the Masters Championships in Iowa. Also the mostly eating meat, fish, and eggs thing is really tripping them out. Follow along on social media. Also I’ll have a totally unrelated big announcement in the upcoming weeks. Stay tuned - I’m very excited. Now here’s Mark and Zach.

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    Zach Bitter

    Hosts the Human Performance Outliers podcast with Dr. Shawn Baker He holds the 100 mile American record with an average pace of 7 minutes per mile He also holds the world record for farthest distance run in 12 hours He spent the first half of his running career on the conventional high carb diet that all runners believe is best He followed a whole foods approach with lots of whole grains, fruits, and vegetables - no processed foods or junk food At age 24/25 he was having some bad symptoms that shouldn’t face a young man in his prime He wasn’t sleeping well, he didn’t have sustained energy throughout the day, and had poor recovery after workouts He looked towards nutrition as a cure and found the low carb, high fat diet Got turned on to Dr. Phinney and Dr. Volek early on so he had a solid approach to transitioning into fat-adaptation correctly He transitioned in the off-season and sleep and energy immediately improved Recovery and mobility greatly improved after races once fat-adapted What are some other sports where it’s good to be fat-adapted? It seems to be dependent on how soon you’re going to train again. If it’s only once per day it seems carbs aren't really necessary. 2 sessions per day, probably yes. He only needs carbs when doing intensity plus high volume. Either one separately he doesn't. How he got into the carnivore world He’s done 73 podcast episodes with various experts and has learned a lot 2 big things are that vegetables aren’t really necessary it seems and there’s a lot of myths about protein that are turning out to not be true. There’s probably no such thing as too much protein My ultra simplistic theory is that animal foods are +1, processed foods are -1, and plant foods are just neutral (or 0). Plant foods aren't doing much for you other than taking up space in your stomach from things that could be worse. The real nutrition is from the animal foods. He agrees with this and builds his meals around fatty meat, eggs, and some full fat dairy He ferments his own vegetables If you have digestive problems try doing only animal foods and add stuff back in slowly and carefully to track it Hunter gatherers used to eat (and still do) fermented plant matter out of animal’s stomachs, especially in cold environments when that was their only vegetation Check out the HPO podcast he does with Shawn Baker Zach does running and nutrition coaching - find him at zachbitter.com He’s on twitter at twitter.com/zbitter and Instagram at instagram.com/zachbitter


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    Mark is a doctor in West Virginia doing great things for his community and grew up as a runner He’s appeared in a lot of big news articles and news segments over the years https://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/magazine/running-christopher-mcdougall.html https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6112350 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1dyKDrkABc His website https://www.drmarksdesk.com He recently wrote the book Run For Your Life which I’ve read and recommend to any runner https://www.amazon.com/Run-Your-Life-Without-Well-Being/dp/110194630X/ He created the Efficient Running Project for the US Air Force https://www.drmarksdesk.com/usaf-efficient-running He almost made the olympic trials for the marathon but was plagued by injuries and almost quit before taking health into his own hands and also running barefoot or almost barefoot He was able to keep running and has a streak of 30 years of under a 3 hour marathon He opened a running store and has organized tons of runs & events for adults and kids and got the community a lot more active He bought into the low fat high carb diet HUGE waking up at 2am eating more cereal he was so hungry He was in charge of figuring out why people in the Air Force kept failing the fitness tests This was in 2002 and he saw the Gary Taubes article What if it’s All Been a Big Fat Lie? https://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/what-if-it-s-all-been-a-big-fat-lie.html As a doctor he always has learned from his patients. He asked auditoriums full of recruits who has lost 50 pounds or more and kept it off for a year? The only answer was “I gave up bread, or I gave up soda, or I did Paleo, or I did Atkins” He also is a professor at WVU writing papers, etc. He started a program at his hospital that removed all sugary drinks 80% of people in a hospital have insulin resistance and/or metabolic syndrome why would we be giving them a toxin like sugar? The staff supported him in this after getting healthier and losing weight by cutting sugar and carbs He helped get double dollars for food stamps at the farmers market https://youtu.be/k5zptL5c9mI #1 thing purchased with food stamps (now called SNAP) in America is soda!! He’s also starting programs to help people make better choices at dollar stores I think “food deserts” are a myth. It’s just information. You don’t need fresh fruit and veg to be healthy. You can get meat, eggs, and canned fish anywhere in America within a few blocks Food industry and advertisements are working against us EAT Lancet debunking His blog post on this http://naturalrunningcenter.com/2019/01/27/eatlancet/ He’s part of the Nutrition Coalition with Nina Teicholz I grew up running barefoot in Hawaii Human evolution and persistence hunting Daniel Lieberman comes up again who’s the Harvard professor I had an unpleasant call with Running shouldn't be about burning calories it should be about being efficient His comprehensive article on fat adapted running http://naturalrunningcenter.com/2017/02/19/simple-food-rules-2/ Zach was actually part of the FASTER study by Phinney and Volek https://www.metabolismjournal.com/article/S0026-0495(15)00334-0/abstract The textbooks say humans can only oxidize 0.8 grams per minute but in the study they doubled that. Dr. Mark did it himself and measured 2.0 grams of fat/min HIs heart rate dropped down significantly after only 1 minute because he is in such good shape and running so efficiently on fat - great for recovery If you’re a medical professional and would like to make changes in your community or otherwise you can contact him at afrundoc@gmail.com Dr. Eric Westman is a great doctor doing low carb for decades with his patients and having great success https://www.dukehealth.org/find-doctors-physicians/eric-c-westman-md-mhs http://DietDoctor.com Dr. Robert Lustig’s “The Complete Skinny on Obesity” https://youtu.be/moQZd1-BC0Y Even though the campaign is over you can still preorder the film and get the great perks

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  • 01:13:02

    Part 35 - Dr. Thomas Seyfried on Cancer as a Metabolic Disease, More Effective Therapies, and Treating it Without Toxicity

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    Dr. Thomas Seyfried is a Professor of Biology at Boston College, and received his Ph.D. in Genetics and Biochemistry from the University of Illinois. He then worked as an assistant professor in the neurology department at the Yale school of medicine. He has over 180 peer-reviewed publications and is author of the book, Cancer as a Metabolic Disease. He recently received a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Academy of Complimentary and Integrative Medicine.

    I got a chance to meet and interview him at the Metabolic Health Summit earlier this year. You’ll notice we did this podcast shortly after the Super Bowl. In case people aren’t familiar with American football the New England Patriots had just beaten the LA Rams.

    I hope people look up the paper he recently published that we mention and watch his presentation I linked to in the show notes and go deeper on this topic. It’s very surprising to learn of this completely new view on cancer if you haven't heard of it before. This really shouldn't be very surprising to anyone, however, because of course our modern diet and lifestyle would have the biggest effect on the rising cancer rates. And of course fixing these things would also be a major part of the treatment. He’s really doing legendary work. So without further ado, here’s professor Seyfried.

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    Dr. Thomas Seyfried believes cancer is a metabolic disease, not a genetic disease and explains in simple terms why that is The mitochondria in your cells make energy (ATP) There’s 2 types of energy: ancient energy which is a fermentation metabolism which means you can make energy without oxygen, or respiration where you make energy from breathing air Cancer cells ferment - therefore they don’t use oxygen Not all cancer cells have genetic mutations, but all cancer cells ferment The mitochondrial metabolic theory says that the organelle that makes energy from respiration is defective, forcing the cell to ferment. When the cell ferments, mutations collect in the nucleus This means the genetic mutations seen in cancer cells come from a downstream effect of disruption of energy metabolism The cancer cell has to consume a large amount of glucose and the amino acid glutamine in order to survive on a fermentation metabolism On the other hand, normal cells use oxygen and very little amounts of glucose This should make sense to a lot of people because they’ve probably heard cancer cells need a lot of glucose and if you starve them of that they die Have to re-emphasize the fact that the DNA damage comes as a downstream effect Damaged mitochondria, instead of making ATP, make Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS) or oxidative stress (which causes a lot of problems in our body) The oxidative stress also causes damage to the nucleus and the genome The field of cancer research studies effects instead of causes We’re not treating cancer by looking at the root cause - it’s absurd - how would we ever cure it? This is supported by thousands of experiments and studies Obvious step to treat cancer is to deprive the cancer cells of glucose and glutamine and transition healthy cells into the use of ketones which they can readily use We evolved as a starving creature and convert fatty acids into ketones and usable forms of energy Cancer cells can't use ketones There’s no dietary way to restrict glutamine to the cancer cells so drugs have to be used Basically nobody he’s heard of is treating it this way If it’s so clear this is how cancer works, why has this not reached the mainstream? The Federal government puts out websites saying cancer is genetic, medical schools teach it's genetic, leading cancer clinics tell patients it's genetic Entrenched beliefs continue this. Also funding money is all based around the genetic theory If you look at the mitochondria of any cancer cell under an electron microscope you can easily see the damage to the organelles and mitochondria Cancer is a result of the industrialization as a society Cancer is so rare throughout history or with non-industrialized societies they don't even have the word for it in their language Cancer comes from all kinds of things like pollution, chemicals, radiation, hypoxia, infections, chronic inflammation, even some rare inherited diseases like BRCA1 (but it has to damage the mitochondria) These are all secondary - the root cause is damage to the respiration Obese people have higher rates of cancer and also higher inflammation (measured by C reactive protein) To avoid cancer it’s as simple as avoiding diets and lifestyles that risk damage to the mitochondria Metabolic therapies need to at least be options for people Problem is doctors aren't aware of them or aren't trained on them Therapeutic ketosis is a medicine - it’s different than just a diet (which is a turn-off to a lot of medical professionals) There’s therapeutic weight loss and toxic weight loss Using a suite of therapies to cure cancer including ketogenic metabolic therapy and hyperbaric oxygen therapy Hyperbaric oxygen creates reactive oxygen species that kills cancer cells but healthy cells using ketones are protected from oxidative stress and are fine Burning ketones creates less ROS (which is a good thing) and is why many people without cancer eat a ketogenic diet ROS damages tissues and is why you age He published the glucose-ketone index calculator People need to realize sweets are a treat once in awhile - not an everyday thing The food industry has played into our ancient desires for sweet Otto Warburg studied cancer in the early 1900s He found that cancer cells would grow in an 100% oxygen environment - they continue to ferment and create lactic acid Because their mitochondria are defective they can’t switch back to oxidative phosphorylation He recently published a paper filling in the gaps from Otto Warburg’s work Missing link was the glutamine that cancer cells can also use Have to pulse the glutamine so the immune system can do it's job and clear out the dead cells He’s developed the press-pulse system in his lab to attack tumors strategically Almost there with dosage, timing, and schedule - when done with this will have the pathway to resolution He’s having trouble getting funding for this for some reason One problem is people have created separate little communities and foundations around their specific type of cancer even though they all have the common metabolic foundational problem People are going to have to participate in the management of their disease and the culture of the diseases has to change Another problem is the high cost of these standard therapies - people have to pay $400k His paper looking at research conducted on cancer https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3941741/ If you take a normal cytoplasm and implant a nucleus with a tumor you get normal cells. But if you implant a normal nucleus to a cell with damaged cytoplasm, you get more tumor cells. This shows it's the damaged mitochondria in the cytoplasm, not the DNA in the nucleus The wheelchair doesn't cause your legs to not work Needle biopsies are putting people at risk and are pointless He calls this general misunderstanding of cancer the biggest tragedy in the history of medicine What do critics of his views say? They try to create doubt They rely on private funding and some great organizations supporting this research Travis Christofferson’s foundation https://foundationformetaboliccancertherapies.com His book Tripping Over the Truth https://www.amazon.com/Tripping-over-Truth-Overturning-Entrenched/dp/1603587292/ Dr. George Yu’s foundation https://yufoundation.org Presentation by Dr. Seyfried https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APwnkpD_BfI&frags=pl%2Cwn Dr. Seyfried’s book https://www.amazon.com/Cancer-Metabolic-Disease-Management-Prevention/dp/0470584920/

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  • 01:15:54

    Part 34 - Dave Feldman on a New Way to Look at Cholesterol, Increasing Health Markers with Fat, and Lowering LDL with a Bad Diet

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    Dave Feldman is a senior software engineer, lipid and cholesterol investigator, and self-experimenter. He’s done a ton of tests on himself over the past 4 years that are making huge waves in the nutrition world. He’s helping the world rethink cholesterol and go away from the standard lipid hypothesis to the energy model of how our lipid system works. He’s got a great facebook group with an active audience of Lean Mass Hyper Responders. He also travels around the country speaking at conferences

    This is a must-listen if you have high LDL cholesterol on a high fat diet or still think that cholesterol is bad. You should also go back and listen to the Ivor Cummins episode in season 1 which gives more of a foundation of knowledge and a bunch of other great info on the topic.

    We jump straight in and get technical in the beginning, but stick around. We backtrack and give a lot more context and explain things more clearly. You’ll want to keep going even if we get into the weeds because we come out again and go over a lot of useful information and ideas.

    This might be the last time you hear from me before the Food Lies Indiegogo campaign ends. This is the last chance to preorder the film and support us. The crowdfunding ends Monday, April 1st at midnight. We have a ways to go, but if we get support in these last few days I think we’ll hit our goal. We’re still looking for private investors who want to get equity in the film by contributing $15k or more. Please reach out or pass this along if this is a possibility.

    Thanks so much, I’m really in love with this community. You’ve all been so supportive and it looks like we’re going to be able to make a super high quality film to get this information out to the world without any outside interests or producers stepping in and influencing the message. Click through the link in the show notes or from FoodLies.org. Now let’s hear from the great Dave Feldman.

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    We jump straight into his carnivore experiment He unexpectedly had very high triglycerides after a short time eating only beef products How much things like fasting affect lipid tests New blood test protocol doesn't even ask you to fast even though if you're eating a low carb diet and eat a fatty meal before your blood test you're loading your body temporarily full of triglycerides that will throw off the test We back up a bit and start from the begining with his story of how he got into this cholesterol world Cholesterol is like a distributed systems network The less fat he ate (on a keto ratio) the higher his cholesterol would go. So to lower his cholesterol he would just have to eat more fat before his test This is disrupting the whole standard medical community in 2 ways - they don’t think it can change that much over the course of a few days, and it’s also the opposite of what they say - they believe more fat should be bad What is the lipid hypothesis? There’s no study that really confirms this hypothesis He thinks LDL particles have 2 purposes - first to deliver energy, then to patrol The energy delivery might only be an hour, but they can “patrol” for 2-4 days There’s other purposes we haven’t even studied much like immune response They can bind to pathogens or can provide alpha tocopherol to reactive oxygen species to turn them into non-reactive products Ambulances, accidents, and aliens All cause mortality and lower LDL does NOT correlate as the standard narrative suggests it should People go on low carb or keto diets and every single thing in their life and lipid panel improves except for this 1 factor - LDL He’s been developing what he calls “the energy model” for how lipids work He runs a Facebook group called Lean Mass Hyper Responders for a certain type of people who are lean and fit on a LCHF diet who have super good HDL and triglycerides but super high LDL He polled the group and the vast majority report they feel better to significantly better This “cholesterol is bad” stuff has been hammered into him for so long he may never believe anything otherwise He did a 3.5 hour podcast with Peter Attia (who was in ketosis for 3 years straight) who still looks at cholesterol in the context of a Standard American Diet of trash The group of LMHR people is really interesting to study because they also have super low cardiovascular disease markers The podcast with Peter had some positive outcomes His CIMT (Carotid intima-media thickness) tests that he does regularly to measure his CVD risk factor It actually got a lot better since transitioning from his SAD diet to keto, even though doctors say that’s not even possible He then made his score get worse eating white bread, pizza, and a high carb + high fat killer combo diet and gaining a lot of weight He then got it to drop back down again on a keto diet all while having 200+ LDL-C and 2000+ LDL-P Doing exactly the opposite of what the literature says should happen ALSO on the unhealthy Standard American Diet test where he was gaining weight his LDL went back down to good levels that a normal doctor would like WHILE his CIMT score got worse Join the facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/LeanMassHyperResponder/ He thinks LMHRs experience a higher level of autophagy - they’re in a blended fasted state - so it’s hard for them to do extended fasts (which is true for me) Your cells need to time to rest and repair Basically, don't always be eating! Let’s talk other diets - he has too longtime friends who are vegan and they eat from when they wake until they sleep You can get away with eating trash while you’re young - he was skinny as a rail while eating rame, Totinos and chugging Coke For the vast majority of people it eventually catches up to them - it could be alcohol, smoking, excessive sunlight - they seem immune to it and then all of a sudden they fall off We both haven't been sick since being fat adapted/eating a nutrient dense diet I actually got a tiny but sick though, for the first time, by assaulting my body with stressors for 3 days straight and then working out More on how LDL plays a big role in the immune system He has an interesting theory about people with familial hypercholesterolemia having lower total mortality rates despite having high cholesterol because of these high LDL numbers that serve them in times of need. These people have survived pandemics Let’s talk N of 1 studies If you’re feeling good 24/7 you're probably doing something right and shouldn't worry about a single number or theory Find dave on Twitter http://twitter.com/daveketo His website is http://cholesterolcode.com If you’re a lean mass hyper responder (LDL 200 or higher, HDL 80 or higher, and triglycerides 70 or lower) join the group https://www.facebook.com/groups/LeanMassHyperResponder/

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  • 01:04:15

    Part 33 - Mark Sisson on Metabolic Flexibility, Ancestral Health, and How to Live Long & Drop Dead

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    Today I’m talking to the legendary Mark Sisson. For many people, including myself, he’s the person who got them interested in ancestral health and sent them down a path of feeling great, losing weight, curing problems they didn’t even know they had or could be treated, and more. He’s been an inspiration to millions and has spent most of his life on a pursuit of health knowledge.

    He’s been writing his blog Mark’s Daily Apple for 13 years as well as publishing best-selling books such as The Primal Blueprint and the Keto Reset Diet. He also travels the world giving talks and is the founder of Primal Kitchen. He’s 65 and living better than most 20 year olds. I saw this first hand filming with him in Miami Beach and running around with him on the ultimate frisbee field. He is a role model of how to look, live, and feel as you enter the latter part of your life. This probably isn’t new information to anyone listening so I’ll just get to our talk already.

    Of course I have to mention the Food Lies film crowdfunding first. There’s only 12 days left in the Indiegogo campaign and we have a long way to go. This is when we really need your help. It’s the last crowdfunding we’ll do and we need to hit our goal to make this film. I know it’s been a long process and people are tired of hearing about it, but it’s the only way this can be made. We have no outside investors. This is a group effort by the community to make an important piece of history. This will help change the world’s view of food and human health. Documentaries like this are the best way to inform the public of this important information and open people’s eyes.

    If you’re listening to this podcast you probably know most of this stuff already - the problem is 98% of the world doesn’t! They’re not going to read all the studies and books and watch all the lectures that you have. They need to see this presented to them in a simple and entertaining audio-visual format that they can stream from the comfort of their own home on a wednesday night. Let’s make this happen. Please go to FoodLies.org and click through to the Indiegogo page. That’s FoodLies.org and you can also click through the link in the show notes. Thanks so much and here’s Mark Sisson.

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    After about 25 years in Malibu he moved to Miami Beach I filmed with Mark in his awesome condo and then we played ultimate frisbee Mark has been in the health space for about 40 years and then got into ancestral health when it bloomed in the early 2000s He started with his blog about 15 years ago which helped get the community involved and his message honed He wrote The Primal Blueprint which is an amazing book that I continue to share with people as an entry point into ancestral health and nutrition Through your environment, actions, and what you eat you have control over your gene expression Our genes are awaiting information in order to act - epigenetic influences Primal laws to live by Rejecting modern norms leads to health - on either end of the spectrum The most important factor is what you're not eating Plant protein is less bioavailable and you're getting a bunch of extra carbs trying to get enough usable protein We are wired to overeat Our system of energy storage as fat is the most elegant, perfect design imaginable Our body doesn't want to maintain expensive machinery it doesn't use - most people only burn glucose and lose the ability to burn fat efficiently Being metabolically flexible is the win-win-win-win-win-win-win of nutrition and life Some keto people go too hard in the other direction and are too fat adapted and can’t handle any bit of carbohydrate Some people use keto as a way to overeat and maintain their gluttony A lot of people doing keto for long periods don’t have high ketone numbers - body adapts If you eat an appropriate amount of calories per day over your life you’ll probably help not wear your body out and maybe live longer Everyone eats too many calories - he spells out a 1900 calorie day that should sustain anyone Stephan Guyenet’s strategy to not overeat is to eat food that isn’t that tasty His #1 goal in life is to live awesome and enjoy life - you can eat this way and still be healthy His pet theories on the obesity and chronic disease epidemic Access to these cheap, nutritionally devoid foods are at an all-time high He thinks industrial seed oils are the biggest problems in our food system and the most damaging to our health He carries around his own salad dressing made of avocado oil Primal Kitchen sold to Kraft-Heinz but will remain under his control and will maintain all the high quality ingredients The less glucose you burn in a lifetime the better Lifespan vs. healthspan - don’t see these modern diseases in indigenous living populations “Live long, drop dead” People used to die from accidents, childbirth, traumatic events, and infectious diseases He defines quality of life as mobility and memory I eat this way because it’s the best way we know at the time to prevent chronic disease and extend healthspan A lot of times we don’t realize the inflammation an ill-effects of our diets and lifestyle and think it’s just part of life His arthritis that he thought he would have to live with for life went away at age 47 when he stopped eating grains Whole 30 is a great way to see how much better you feel and examine your diet How do we fight against vegan activist DISinformation? They have way more money and are very organized and good at putting out propaganda All we can do is put out sound, unbiased information and hopefully people will see the truth Find Mark here https://www.marksdailyapple.com

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  • 01:33:53

    Part 32 - Stephan Guyenet, PhD on the Brain Controlling Body Fatness, Your Food Environment, and Low Carb Controversy

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    Today we’re talking to Stephan Guyenet who has a degree in biochemistry and a PhD in neuroscience. He’s spent over 12 years in the neuroscience research world studying neurodegenerative disease and the neuroscience of body fatness. He wrote a great book called The Hungry Brain, speaks at conferences, is a Senior Fellow at GiveWell and scientific reviewer for the Examine.com Research Digest.

    He is definitely not a low carb person which is why I had him on. He has a lot of great ideas and is a great mind in the space of nutrition. It was very interesting to hear him talk about all the great benefits he did see when he ate a low carb diet 11 years ago. Make sure to listen until the end when he talks about this.

    He has some problems with certain people and aspects of the low carb community and is going on Joe Rogan’s podcast soon to debate Gary Taubes on his views of the Carbohydrate Insulin theory of obesity and sugar being uniquely toxic

    We had some disagreement on the recommended daily allowance of nutrients - he thinks what’s recommended is all you need and getting more than that is pointless. I think this is wrong. I think he’s basing it on studies of worthless, non-bioavailable vitamin C pills that in excess do nothing. So in that - I agree. I don’t think there’s any benefit to popping a bunch of these and think we’re going to cure a cold. I do know that our ancestors got estimates of 10-20 times the amount of nutrients we get today, so there’s a lot more to this discussion that we didn’t have time to get into.

    We also disagreed on fiber which led to some carnivore talk. He got some things wrong about the member of the Grateful Dead who was a carnivore. He said he died at a young age of a heart attack. I looked into it and it turns out he was carnivore for 48 years and was in excellent health and died in a car accident at 72.

    He also says we don’t have longterm studies on the safety of low carb diets at the end. This isn’t exactly true and furthermore, we have hundreds of thousands of years of human populations living on low carb diets to prove its safety and efficacy. He additionally mentions the low carb community makes crazy claims that aren’t based on science. I’m not sure what he’s referring to. Not everything can be measured anyway. If tens of thousands of people report to their doctor they aren’t hungry anymore, their energy is stable, their brain is working better, they aren’t addicted to sugar, they finally have control of their food intake, etc. then this is some great clinical observations and patient anecdotes that add up to a lot.

    I think everyone has their own ideas about things and collects info to support their opinion. It’s only natural, and I’m sure I’m doing it to, even though I’m trying not to. Everyone has to be in their camp and collect data and narratives to support their theories. He seemed to do this as you’ll see throughout the episode.

    I agreed with a lot of his points though, especially that humans didn’t evolve to eat based on tracking macros and calories and using an excel spreadsheet to figure out what to eat. He’s doing great work and looking at this from a different angle which is important. A lot of interesting stuff here so let’s get to it. But first I gotta mention the Food Lies film which is in the last stretch of crowdfunding on Indiegogo. We really need your help to finish it. We have a bunch of cool perks like the Eat Meat T-shirt, the movie poster, bonus features, and more. Find it through FoodLies.org or by clicking through this link in the show notes. I really appreciate it - and now here’s Stephan Guyenet.

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    I’m obsessed with why we get fat and what to do about it and you’ve been researching this for a long time Why the brain is the most important place to focus on The brain regulates how much we eat, our food choices, and our exercise There’s also non conscious processes the brain regulates that influence caloric expenditure, etc. We also study the human genome to find how that plays a role in body fatness When it comes to body weight, the genes that relate the most are in the brain Nobody wants to overeat, but we end up doing it anyway We need to look at our past to understand why we are wired to seek excess calories Animals and hunter gatherers we’ve studied follow the Optimum Foraging Theory when they acquire food. It’s all about the calories per the amount of effort Because we were eating whole foods from nature, if we got enough calories, we by default we’re getting all the vitamins and minerals needed They didn’t have white flour, sugar, or refined oils We only have receptors for fat, sugar, salt, and glutamate Apparently those are the nutrients that natural selection cared about most to create reward systems for The Hadza people went mainly for meat, tubers, and honey and didn’t go for leafy greens The brain is motivated to pursue calorie containing foods, not vitamins and minerals Combining bliss points make certain foods almost irresistible You need to control your food environment Not only don’t have it sitting out so you can see certain foods, don’t even have them in the house How do genetics play a role? We know it’s way more to do with the type of foods eaten About 70% of people in countries like the US are genetically susceptible to become obese when eating the bad diet that exists there. The remaining percent just aren’t as susceptible and can get away with it Energy balance while always be a fact, but there’s a lot more to it Eat less, move more may work for some people, but it’s not how we evolved. It’s not a natural way to regulate body weight You can set up a food environment to allow your body to naturally eat the right amount You’d have to be hungry all the time to continue eating processed foods and try to lose weight His definition and thoughts on nutrient density Questioning the necessity of fiber His views on the carnivore diet - he thinks a big factor is becoming lean and it certainly does that He questions if there’s long term chronic disease problems that we don’t know about Inuit seek some plant matter Sound engineer from the Grateful Dead who was carnivore for 48 years - Stephan said he died of a heart attack at a young age. Turns out he was super healthy and died of a car accident at 72. His book https://justmeat.co/docs/the-bear.pdf They call him “Bear” https://dangerousminds.net/comments/uncle_johns_ham_the_grateful_deads_all-meat_diet Wikipedia on him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owsley_Stanley Stephan agrees with what I always say about going to either end of the extreme with super low carb or super low fat you have great benefits He’s going on Joe Rogan’s podcast to debate Gary Taubes on his views of the Carbohydrate Insulin theory of obesity and sugar being uniquely toxic What happened with Gary Taubes and Dr. Peter Attia’s non profit venture NuSI - the Nutritional Science Initiative? What Stephan got wrong in his blog posts Why he thinks Gary Taubes is wrong and what is the evidence He doesn’t like the fact that Gary is calling out scientists Exercise and weight loss The model of obesity he subscribes to is that it’s all regulated by the brain Homeostatic regulation - hypothalamus controls body fatness like a thermostat The hormone leptin sends feedback to your brain regarding body fat levels Personal fat threshold, how someone can be skinny on the outside but fat on the inside, people can be obese but metabolically healthy, and insulin as a dam holding back fat in the cells He doesn’t think that eating an insulin lowering diet like low carb allows you to lose weight because of the lowered insulin He thinks low carb diets and low fat diets work merely because you’re taking away the extreme motivation to overeat the foods, AKA hyperplatability Potato hack Metabolic flexibility He thinks being metabolically inflexible is more a sign of insulin resistance than anything He eats about 50% carb, 18% protein, 32% fat He ate a low carb diet after reading Taubes’ book Good Calories, Bad Calories 11 years ago He said it was about the same but one benefit was that he wasn’t tied to meal times. Eating high carb he definitely knew when it was time to eat. Easier to fast He was easily doing 24 hour fasts. Now on high carb it’s way harder and he experiences brain fog Why are low carb diets so maligned in the mainstream media and medical system? What are his solutions for fixing the nation’s health problems? His book The Hungry Brain http://www.stephanguyenet.com/thehungrybrain/ His website http://www.stephanguyenet.com His Twitter https://twitter.com/whsource

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  • 00:59:52

    Part 31 - Dr. Jeff Volek on Carb Intolerance, Reversing Type 2 Diabetes, and Personalized Nutrition

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    I talk to a lot of great people on this podcast but this may be the man who really knows this stuff at the deepest level and most qualified to talk about fat adaptation and ketogenic diets & therapies. He has been doing amazing work in this field for such a long time.

    Dr. Jeff Volek is a professor, researcher, registered dietitian, and co-founder and Chief Science Officer of Virta Health. For the last two decades, Dr. Volek has performed cutting edge research on how humans adapt to diets restricted in carbohydrates with a dual focus on clinical and performance applications of nutritional ketosis. His scholarly work includes more than 300 peer-reviewed scientific manuscripts and five books, including a New York Times Best Seller, and he has provided more than 200 lectures at scientific and industry conferences around the world. He’s an all around great guy and someone I admire.

    He very rarely does interviews so I was honored to spend some time with him. He is busy running his lab at OSU while also being a co-founder of a major health company I mention a lot called Virta. My company SAPIEN which you can find out more about at SAPIEN.org is producing technology similar to them. They use an app as well as devices like a smart scale to help monitor patients and keep them accountable as well as communicate with a health coach as they reverse type 2 diabetes with diet and lifestyle. We’re doing the same thing at SAPIEN so if you are a healthcare provider or a health coach and are interested in our platform please reach out to us via our site SAPIEN.org

    Before we start the interview I want to ask people who have gotten any value out of this podcast to support me by contributing to the Food Lies film Indiegogo campaign. Go to FoodLies.org and pre-order the film or check out the great perks we’re offering like the EAT MEAT shirt, movie poster, and Real Foods coin. We rely on the community to make this podcast and film a reality. I’m seriously on my last dollar here and the post production of the film is slowing down due to budget constraints. I really appreciate the support. You can also click through the show notes in your podcast app to support the film. Thanks, and here’s Dr. Jeff Volek.

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    He presented some of his research at the Metabolic Health Summit in Long Beach at the beginning of February Keto is very popular these days but it’s a double-edged sword His interests in ketogenic research are broad including metabolic disease, type 2 diabetes, athletes, military personnel, etc. He’s studying tons of military applications to help them deal with energy, fatigue, recovery, cognitive function, etc. He and Dr. Steve Phinney wrote the great book The Art & Science of Low Carb Living which should be perfect for the savvy nutrition folks listening to this podcast https://www.amazon.com/Art-Science-Low-Carbohydrate-Living/dp/0983490708 The concept of carb intolerance What percentage of the population might be carb intolerant? Before the agricultural revolution humans had very little access to carbohydrate Low carb or ketogenic diets are what our bodies were made to run on There’s probably only a small percentage of the population that is tolerant to these refined and abundant carbs in the modern food environment Carb tolerance also goes down with age What’s great is that basically everyone can adapt to a low carb diet and this makes sense from an evolutionary perspective We all have the ability to run on fat but eating a ton of carbs suppresses that It’s helping to treat diabetes (reverse it or put it in remission), cancer, neurological diseases The preponderance of trials shows low carb diets are superior to low fat diets in a free living setting There was interest and studies in ketogenic diets for weight loss in the 50s and 60s but then we hit the “dark ages” of this research with the USDA guidelines and it was basically toxic to study low carb in the 70s, 80s, and 90s There’s been a huge amount of research done in the last 20 years that supports low carb diets There’s so much entrenched beliefs and momentum behind low fat paradigm it just takes a while to get past it - we’re doing really well actually The dietary guidelines don’t reflect the current body of science They dietary guidelines actually matter - affect what kids eat at school, military eat, what’s taught to dietitians I think we should have two dietary strategies offered as the official guidelines instead of ending up high fat AND high carb like most americans artoday Dr. Volek believes low carb should be the preferred option for those with any sort of metabolic syndrome Personalized nutrition is the future but we’re just scratching the surface Mapping the genome and genetic testing aren't really panning out He’s looking at some biomarkers to help tell if people are mismanaging carbs What about eating more protein? It’s pretty straightforward to implement a ketogenic diet but it’s also pretty challenging in modern society His company Virta http://virtahealth.com is working on tools for this I’m doing something similar with SAPIEN http://sapien.org They use technology to efficiently scale the program to thousands and potentially millions of patients Dr. Sarah Hallberg ran the clinical trials and showed amazing efficacy of the program and keto diet in reversing type 2 diabetes Their blood sugar and hemoglobin A1c values were normalized which is pretty unheard of in the standard treatment of T2D They recommend eating fat to satiety but limit carbs and protein to achieve ketosis They recommend 1.2 to 2 grams of protein per pound of reference bodyweight Ketones have an anti-catabolic effect so they decrease protein breakdown - so no need to overeat protein Some people report less than ideal body composition on a ketogenic diet - may be because not getting enough minerals and electrolytes You can get a stress response as a result from this - sympathetic nervous system response and aldosterone causes potassium to be wasted as it tries to absorb more sodium If you have low sodium that has a negative effect on your protein status He has another book called The Art and Science of Low Carb Performance focused on athletics He had a great presentation at the conference I missed In the 60s and 70s Scandinavian researchers found out about the importance of muscle glycogen which led to the concept of carb loading A coach out of Florida invented Gatorade a bit later and then the Gatorade Sports Science Institute formed which really influenced our view sports and exercise science Since the 1960s it's been unanimous that all athletes should eat as much carbohydrate as possible before, during, and after exercise. It’s pretty insane. And there’s multi-billion dollar industries behind it to keep it this way He thinks athletes should be consuming as few carbs as possible while maintaining peak performance Consuming all these carbs are like absorbing punches to your body - you can get away with it for a while but the damage builds up It also prevents them from being able to burn their own fat He rewrote the textbooks and what was possible with VO2 max and fat oxidation in his FASTER study Ultra distance runners are winning races fat-adapted Burning basically 100% fat for 3 hours during tests They’re recovering better, not relying on tons of sugar and refined carbs packs, better GI function, and have greater enjoyment exercising He also studies military applications which overlap with these athletic advantages He says more importantly even are the cognitive benefits of the ketogenic diet They are also studying the effects of ketones on inflammatory pathways, an association with less oxidative stress, perhaps better immune functioning So far being in ketosis has been found to help people recover faster, cope with stress better, improved mental clarity and cognitive function Also helpful for traumatic brain injuries There’s so much more that needs to be studied and there’s so much promise for new applications of ketosis We need to support federal and private funding of research on ketogenic diets and therapies

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  • 01:11:18

    Part 30 - Dr. Tro on the Psychology of Obesity, Losing 150 Pounds (and how to do the same), and Not Even Knowing Why He Was Fat

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    Welcome back, everyone. I’m working hard to make each episode very informative and get great guests that bring something unique to the table. I go for quality over quantity. I love having guests with new messages and insights that we haven’t heard before, and Dr. Tro is one of these great sources of information. People have been requesting a weight loss journey - someone who’s actually lost a ton of weight themselves. Not only did Dr. Tro lose 150 pounds, but he’s a… you guessed it… doctor. He helps people figure out how to transform their body and health on a daily basis. This is real world application here, people.

    There’s so many sides to this stuff and the psychology behind eating (and more importantly overeating) is huge. He knows a lot about what it means to be obese and make these changes and make them last. He was 350 pounds 3 years ago and has kept off the weight despite the usual statistics of 97% of people just putting it back on. This was no easy feat and if you haven’t seen a photo of him, he’s actually pretty ripped.

    We start off with some social media controversy about a post I made that rubbed some people with food addiction the wrong way. The episode is about so much more than that, so keep listening and I think there’s huge value for anyone and everyone in this episode.

    Once again, I have to talk about the Food Lies film Indiegogo campaign. Basically all podcasts have sponsors to pay the bills. My film is this sponsor. I’ve turned down other sponsors and could be making quite a bit based on the expanding audience of the show. I’d really rather not do this so please support the film if you’re enjoying the podcast and the lack of annoying ads. This film is my baby and I’ve spent an immeasurable amount of my time and own money on it. I know it will all be worth it when it’s completed, so please help me get there. Go to FoodLies.org to click through to the Indiegogo campaign or click on the link in the show notes. Thanks so much and here’s Dr. Tro.

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    I made a remark on social media that was supposed to be motivational and ended up backfiring Food addiction is something Dr. Tro knows a lot about Controversial topic - Dr. Robert Lustig has a book on it http://www.robertlustig.com/hacking/ Is you buy and eat the correct food you shouldn’t be hungry all the time I have my own food addiction - once I start eating I can’t stop His wife had to hide food from him He didn’t know why his appetite was so messed up I wrote the post under the context of it being inspirational and that people who follow my accounts would understand what I’m talking about and what foods they should be eating He thought he was “meant” to be obese. That it was his genetics. His family was all overweight This was reinforced in medical school where they taught him that it was genetic 75% of patients he sees for weight issues have a history of childhood trauma People don’t even realize how much they’re eating If you’re eating processed foods stuffed with carbs and sugar it’s basically impossible to be full Even nutritionists and doctors don’t know how much they really eat - when asked they are off by 20% Satiety is the most important thing we need to be talking about - some people don’t even realize different foods provide different satiety Liquid calories are enemy #1 Layne Norton and bodybuilders are way different than the normal person Counting calories doesn’t work - we have calories listed everywhere for decades, we have My Fitness Pal, it's plainly obvious it doesn't work Our bodies don’t have a calorie receptor to know how much we have eaten or need to eat When glycemia shifts (blood sugar up then down) you're going to be hungry He levels out their blood sugar with a LCHF diet. Can do it whole foods plant based if the patient has that personal preference Low fat approach not good in long term because it knocks down hormones like CCK and neuropeptide YY Once you’re fat adapted you're not beholden to food for energy A lot of hunger is just mental at this point - you have hundreds of thousands of calories of fat stored on your body you can use Cortisol makes you hungry and your blood sugar to swing Part of helping people to lose weight is coaching them on what to do in times of stress He advises people to just eat protein and fat if they’re hungry in the early stages - they can build up to being more strict later. They also will be full for hours after eating the right foods. Anything to avoid the donut He can eat 3 pounds of meat at once - overeat his satiety signaling Hyper palatability comes when you add sugar + fat Formerly or currently obese have large stomach volumes and need more tools to not overeat and be full He doesn't recommend a lot of vegetables and fiber but it has its place to fill the stomach from a volume perspective He didn’t know this before. None of the other doctors or nutritionists around him knew it either We’ve all been given useless and bogus advice on weight loss for the past 50 years There’s not only 1 way to do things If one of his obese binge eating patients gets told by a conventional dietician to eat a portion-controlled low-fat diet it's a setup for complete failure He’s totally against myplate.gov - conventional advice didn’t help him and won’t help anyone that comes to see him On all conventional diets: “instead of telling people how to be full, they’re telling people how to be hungry” He puts his health program online for anyone to see and has virtual visits and programs http://doctortro.com He’s also opening a brick and mortar clinic in New York Many people claim to not like beef - I think it’s because of all the propaganda against it all these years. They think it’s bad for them deep down and can’t get over it People also say they don’t feel well on a low carb diet - they probably just aren't fat adapted yet. The keto flu can be bad Just because fat is good doesn't mean you can eat unlimited amounts of it Reasons for stalls: carb creep, fat creep, or alcohol Need to learn to cook in a framework One reason carnivore probably works is through restricting foods. If you restrict anything people tend to eat 25% less His story of losing 150 pounds without exercising much and then training for a 5k with barely any carbs Layne Norton is talking about pop tarts and bro scientists are talking about how you have to have carbs for your brain or for energy Dr. Tro went from the worst at 99th percentile to the top 1% percentile in the 5K without any carbs He was fasting 20+ hours per day for the last 6 months and his bench, squat, and deadlift all went up 99.5% of athletes don’t need carbohydrates. Maybe if you’re a professional and elite athlete they could help Had Luis Villasenor on season 2 who is a giant muscular guy and doesn't eat carbs Dr. Tro went to the science and found low carb - don’t understand why guys like Layne Norton call people low carb zealots In an ad libitum free living setting (which is how every single one of us live are life) low carbs diets consistently outperform low fat diets Layne Norton’s flexible dieting and “if it fits your macros” is in no way science based yet he constantly talks about how he’s all about the science Every other diet he dismisses and disses is based on science except his

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    Part 29 - Dr. Gary Fettke on the History of the Anti-meat Agenda, Disinformation, and Being Silenced by his Medical Board

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    Season 3 is in full swing with worldwide leaders in their field talking about the latest science of nutrition and health.

    To catch people up I’m Brian Sanders and I’ve quit my job and dedicated my life to studying health and nutrition. I’m trying my best to be unbiased and to simplify the conflicting advice out there and distill down concepts into something anyone can understand. I’m not a doctor or nutritionist. I’m a mechanical engineer and I’ve lost both of my parents to chronic disease and have set off on my own path for the last 4 years to study this topic and make sure I don’t fall to the same fate. My role is the curator, the communicator. I’ve interviewed over 100 of the top scientists, doctors, nutritionists, fitness experts, and other health professionals and have come to find some simple truths that I’d like to share.

    A lot of this will be presented in the feature length documentary called Food Lies, but it’s not all about the film. I’m spreading this information to the public anyway I can. I do this podcast, I post daily ideas and information on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook, and soon to I’ll be doing more videos on youtube. Search for Food Lies on any of these platforms.

    Dr. Gary Fettke has an amazing tale of deceit, deception, disinformation, conspiring dietitians, medical evangelism, his medical board attempting to silence him, and even John Harvey Kellogg, founder of the cereal company and his anti-masterbation mission. A lot going on here and a lot of alliteration as well. Dr. Fettke is an orthopedic surgeon living in Tasmania off of Australia. He practices preventative medicine and helps treat patients long before resorting to surgical interventions. Like Professor Tim Noakes, he stood up to his medical board and powers that be that were trying to stop him from dispensing simple and logical nutrition advice like eating fresh, local, and seasonal foods instead of processed foods. He spent 3 years of his own time and money on this absurdity before being exonerated of all charges. Strap yourselves in folks, this is a good one!

    As I’m recording this I’m dealing with the harsh realities of a measly budget and worries of how to finish the Food Lies documentary properly. If you haven’t supported it yet, please consider doing that now. It’s a true community-powered project. If enough people pre-order the film at a pretty reasonable cost of $25 we can complete this in a matter of months instead of maybe a year. That’s what we’re facing if we don’t have the funds. This will be made no matter what, don’t be worried about that. This is my life’s work and all I care about right now. Thanks for your help - just go to FoodLies.org and click through to the Indiegogo campaign or click through the link in the show notes. We have an amazing woman named Amanda adding in $20 more for each person who contributes. Please take her up on her kind offer today. Also, please leave a review of the podcast on itunes or the Apple podcast app. I sent out a care package to listener Aaron from Ohio yesterday who had the review of the week. I really appreciate these reviews and they help get the podcast more visibility. And now here’s Dr. Gary Fettke.

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    Dr. gary Fettke is an orthopedic surgeon living in Tasmania off of Australia Part of his job entails cutting off toes and limbs of type 2 diabetes patients He uncovered documents proving the collusion of the food industry (Kellogg’s and other cereal/grains companies) to target him and 7 other Australians They feel that low carb and paleo diets are hurting their sales and want to do something about it All he was promoting was to reduce sugar, refined grains, and industrial oils which he calls the model of inflammation By doing this you are eating low carb healthy fat and avoiding processed foods. Pretty simple… but directly against the big food manufacturers He was also saying red meat was ok He was silenced by his medical board and wasn’t allowed to ever give nutritional advice again Was finally thrown out years later after much time, expense, and lobbying He originally thought it was about the science, but that was simple and they had all the facts on their side Found out about the vested interests and the role of the 7th day adventist church There’s an article in a journal called Religion where they pretty much self-admit all of this - so it sounds crazy, but it’s all true Traced the beginning to America in 1917 when the American Dietetics Association was born They are responsible for much of the textbooks and teachings in that era A woman named Lena Cooper was instrumental in founding this organization. She was a vegetarian and 7th day adventist She worked with John Harvey Kellogg who went on to found the cereal company Kellogg’s The 7th day adventists started with the visions of Ellen G. White who believed meat was unclean and made men violent and also caused masterbation It started around the temperance movement when there was push to ban alcohol and eat clean and close to God Kellogg grew up typesetting for the Adventists and raised by those principles He later founded the Sanitarium in Battle Creek Michigan and owns the patent for corn flakes He created it as a bland food that would help stop masterbation - if you don't believe it, google “kellogg cereal anti-masterbation” Her beliefs were based on visions she had as a girl People were leaving the farms and coming into the cities during this time - meat had to be transported without refrigeration They believed in the “Garden of Eden Diet” which was all plants and included cereals, grains, fruit, veg, nuts, and legumes. It’s still what’s promoted today It keeps evolving and they keep changing the story on why meat is bad. First it's meat causes violence, then meat causes masterbation, then they moved to meat causes cancer, then meat causes heart disease, and finally meat is destroying the environment The adventists are the world’s 2nd leading educator behind the Catholic church yet only have 0.3% of the world’s population 7th day adventists also connected with bringing in soy and all the fake meat products from China 7th day adventists own 22 food industries outside of the US 7th day adventists produce over 4,000 “food products” made of processed plant foods 7th day adventists have 8,000 schools around the world 7th day adventists are proud of their medical evangelism 7th day adventists own over 60 publishing houses 7th day adventists over 850 radio stations 7th day adventists 441 TV stations (in 2016) 7th day adventists did 70,000 podcasts (2016 report) with 1.1 billion downloads 7th day adventists are also inserting their vegetarian agenda in medical textbooks and journals 7th day adventists inserted backend material on 99% of medical software in Australia (2017 report) - This means if you are a doctor and look up any printed material for a patient it’s all Adventist vegetarian material Generational education - this is the problem It’s repeated so many times and in all the textbooks for so long, we just believe it Food manufacturers embrace these plant-based ideas and make more money - they stuff sugra, refined grains, and polyunsaturated oils in the food and it lasts longer and has a higher profit margin Watch out for the terms “lifestyle medicine” and “exercise is medicine” - these are being pushed by the food industries and organizations like ILSI started by Coca-cola EAT Lancet published a study mid-january and a new “planetary diet” that is supposed to be good for your health and the good for the environment. THe face of the organization is a billionaire vegan and all the big food companies are behind it There’s an article that came out recently saying the vast majority of the 37 experts that made up the diet don't follow it This diet is back to the Garden of Eden diet - all plant based with a little bit of meat thrown in The United Nations and the World Health Organization are being influenced by a group of activists I think there’s been such a successful anti-meat campaign for so many decades people can’t even think otherwise He says people are gullible and it’s crazy to get your health information from the news Kellogg’s, Unilever, and PepsiCo are the ones selling you this information There’s also powerful films convincing young people that meat is ruining the world Veganism is highest amongst teenage girls - they’ve become the foot soldiers of the food industry Vegan activists surrounded a teenage girl doing her job at a zoo Our biggest export is our topsoil - we’re losing it Take back the buying power of these food companies by shopping locally at a farmers market When you search for “low carb bread” on youtube anti-low carb videos are being advertised Dr. Gary Fettke says “Eat fresh, local, and seasonal” Everything he talks about is based on biochemistry but most of the other side is based on association and propaganda Nutrition science doesn't use the scientific method a lot of the time A lot of nutrition is based on what’s cheap and easy to produce and palatable They’re spreading disinformation - purposeful misinformation Food companies are using the same tactics as tobacco companies used We have followed the recommendations - our whole grain and fruits/veg consumption went up and red meat went down, but we only got fatter and sicker Our cattle numbers have actually been decreasing over the last few decades Vegan diet falls apart when you look at the science My podcast with Dr. David Klurfeld comes up who was on the WHO panel that decided meat was a carcinogen who talked about it being full of vegans with undeclared agendas https://www.peak-human.com/home/dr-david-klurfeld-on-meat-not-causing-cancer-bogus-vegetarian-scientists-and-balanced-nutrition Vegetarian research papers are written by 7th day adventist vegans Coca-cola uses “exercise as medicine” to throw people off from the sugar water they are drinking I say we should “eat densely, move intensely” and that “eat less, move more” is a worthless statement To enact change you need to start with yourself and not wait for government and guidelines to change Back in the 40s and 50s when we were healthy we’d eat once per week or have 1 soda per week - it was a treat - a special occasion. Now people eat like this every day, all day In farming communities it was traditional to maybe eat only 1 main meal per day Snacking and constantly eating it a totally new thing You don’t have to wither away and have a terrible quality of life You can either be pushed into home plate in a wheelchair drooling on yourself or you can slide in with a cloud of dust Find him at http://nofructose.com http://isupportgary.com Facebook: Belinda Fettke No Fructose Dr. Gary Fettke on twitter http://twitter.com/fructoseno

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    Part 28 - Dr Ryan Lowery on the Benefits of Being Fat Adapted, Life Extension, and Positivity

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    Aaaaand we’re back! Thanks for waiting patiently for season 3. We have an all-star lineup of guests and many interviews already in the can ready to be released.

    To catch people up I’m Brian Sanders and I’ve quit my job and dedicated my life to studying health and nutrition. I’m trying my best to be unbiased and to simplify the conflicting advice out there and distill down concepts into something anyone can understand. I’m not a doctor or nutritionist. I’m a mechanical engineer and I’ve lost both of my parents to chronic disease and have set off on my own path for the last 4 years to study this topic and make sure I don’t fall to the same fate. My role is the curator, the communicator. I’ve interviewed over 100 of the top scientists, doctors, nutritionists, fitness experts, and other health professionals and have come to find some simple truths that I’d like to share.

    A lot of this will be presented in the feature length documentary called Food Lies, but it’s not all about the film. I’m spreading this information to the public anyway I can. I do this podcast, I post daily ideas and information on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook, and soon to I’ll be doing more videos on youtube. Search for Food Lies on any of these platforms.

    Today I’m talking to Ryan Lowery who is a PhD in Health and Human Performance and a researcher studying cellular, molecular and whole body changes in muscle size, strength, and power in response to novel nutrition, training and supplement interventions. He’s also the president of the Applied Science and Performance Institute where he’s bridging the gap between the latest research and science and practical application. He runs ketogenic.com which is a great resource to check out.

    He’s the guy that Layne Norton called out in a previous episode. I wanted to get him on to talk about the benefits of being fat adapted and why ketogenic diets are an effective tool in the arsenal. I was actually just hanging out with him at the Metabolic Health Summit. This was an awesome conference put on in part by Dr. Dom D’Agostino who mentioned it last summer in Peak Human episode 6 that I did with him. The top scientists studying ketogenic metabolic therapy were there talking about their latest research and how in conjunction with some other treatments it has been used to shrink brain tumors, prevent epileptic seizures, and even reverse cognitive decline and Alzheimer's. Pretty amazing stuff.

    So a quick message about the film - please go to FoodLies.org and support us on Indiegogo as we finish post production. We have to cover the cost of our amazing animators, graphic artists, and editors working away on this. I won’t sell it anymore, just know I make no money on this and have in fact spent every cent of my savings making it so far. I really appreciate your support. Here’s Dr. Ryan Lowery.

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    Show Notes

    Phinney and Volek set him off - they hadn’t run experiments on resistance training He was a high carb athlete chugging 250 grams of carbs just from weight gainer shakes and skeptical about keto and sports performance Endurance athletes can have an advantage by being fat adapted and metabolically flexible to tap into tens of thousands of calories they have in their fat stores Online war with Layne Norton Benefits of being fat adapted Some studies that show when protein and calories are equated there is benefits to running on fat In real world applications, so what if keto people eat more protein, we live in the real world Is it possible that all these amazing results I and others are getting from eating this way is just due to eating at a deficit? Energy balance remains Are all calories the same? Nutrient density is king All calories are certainly not equal - Layne’s own studies show this You can eat whey protein and rice and hit your macros and lose weight - doesn’t; mean it’s healthy. There’s studies showing our ancestors ate 10-20 times the vitamins and minerals we eat today Problems with “if it fits your macros” Benefits of running on fat instead of glucose Phospholipids and brain health We lose our tolerance to carbs as we grow older Dr. Michael Rose is the one doing the fruit fly studies - look him up or listen to him on Robb Wolf’s podcast #416 You can’t force someone to eat a certain way, but you can help them find what they want to do His brother is obese Cyclic keto AKA blowing it out on the weekends Not back in ketosis until thursday I don’t care about ketosis necessarily and just eat nutrient dense foods Ketones are muscle sparing - help you retain muscle mass If you’re on a long term ketogenic diet your pancreas isn’t secreting much insulin and you aren’t prepared for a bolus of glucose - don’t be super strict then go bananas for a holiday or vacation People on low fat diets can’t handle a huge bolus of fat either Gut problems when transitioning to high fat or carnivore Don’t get caught up in a tribe Their animal studies on a keto diet for its entire lifespan Visceral fat around the organs is the worst kind of fat Thin on the Outside, Fat on the Inside (TOFI) which Layne disregarded and said wasn’t a thing Layne Norton called out Prof. Tim Noakes as a liar saying that he never had pre-diabetes His message is to make positivity louder Find him at http://ketogenic.com Twitter http://twitter.com/DrRyanLowery Instagram http://instagram.com/ryanplowery

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  • 00:51:20

    Part 27 - Sally Fallon Morell on the Wise Traditions of our Ancestors & Weston A. Price

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    Sally Fallon Morell is the director and co-founder of the Weston A. Price Foundation. She’s spent the last 20 years doing amazing work to promote the wise traditions of our ancestors and their farming, preparation, and consumption of foods. She’s written many amazing books such as Nourishing Traditions, Eat Fat, Lose Fat, and a new Book called Nourishing Diets. I really value all that she’s done and continues to do.

    I’ve come to realize my ideal diet is the one the Weston A. Price Foundation recommends minus the grains, even though they are safe if you prepare them properly as Sally mentions. I’d prefer to run on fat and most people listening probably know the vast benefits of doing this. I want to highlight that they can be safe to eat if you soak them overnight, etc. so if you choose to eat these foods at least do it properly.

    You may have noticed I’m getting all kinds of people on the show. I don’t want to be totally one sided. I’ll let people share their differing opinions and not argue with them. That doesn’t mean I support their stance. Dr. David Klurfeld, Layne Norton - let’s hear what they have to say.

    I think it would be a disservice to just keep getting people on the show who 100% agree with me. You have to be open to all sides so you’re not caught being dogmatic just like vegans and only look at things from one angle or miss the truth because your head is in the sand. All I’m after is truth, and will change my views if necessary. So far, nothing has shaken my belief that we need to eat nutrient dense ancestral diets with a lot of animal fat. I believe it’s better to run on fat, and most carbs are pretty worthless because they don’t have a lot of nutrients for how much energy they have. You can get the same nutrients that properly sprouted and fermented grains have elsewhere.

    People doing carnivore. Listen to the teachings of Dr. Price. Eat the whole animal. So much of the good stuff is in the bits and pieces. You can point to many populations over time eating mostly all or even 100% animal foods for long periods or life, and I agree with you, but they weren’t eating only muscle meat.

    I think the best diet out there is basically what Tara Couture, my last podcast guest who’s a homestead farmer, feeds her family. The full animal plus fermented veg and other fresh grown veg thrown in. Add in some more exotic foods such as fish eggs, avocado, mushrooms, and coconut oil. You can’t get more nutrient dense and less potentially harmful than that.


    This was our last film tour and we’re now actively engaged in post-production for Food Lies. All the T-shirts and rewards are being sent out shortly. You can still pre-order the film and get the other rewards at Indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post which is linked here in the show notes and at FoodLies.org where you can also see the film trailer. Thanks so much for the support and here’s Sally.

    Show Notes

    Just got back from filming with her on her farm in southern Maryland They mimic nature with regenerative and holistic farming practices and produce raw milk and raw cheese, etc. It’s strange that we need an entire organization just help re-educate people on how we have always eaten. It’s an uphill battle with a ton of opposition Rotational grazing mimics the grazing and movement of ruminants throughout history Weston A. Price foundation validates traditional farming and eating practices with modern science Demonization of saturated fats Procter & Gamble and the cottonseed oil and Crisco story - they were experts at marketing to housewives of the time Vegetable oils might be worse than trans fat For all of history humans prized animal fat It’s insane to give kids skim milk Dr. Price found that different culture all over the world had similar practices of a nutrient dense animal food diet 6 months prior to conception Vegetarian diet 2014 UK study: “our results showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with poorer health (higher incidences of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders), a higher need for health care, and poorer quality of life.” https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0088278&type=printable Tooth health is a great indicator of overall health Wide dental arches and face and not needing braces is a sign of good nutrition from pre-conception through the growth phase Our ancestors built up their vitamin A stores well ahead of becoming pregnant by eating organ meats, animal fat, butter, egg yolks, etc. The heart starts growing before the women even knows she’s pregnant Prenatal vitamins aren't bioavailable - you need to get the full nutrition from the food you eat The foundation has seen so many examples of healthy, strong, smart, attractive babies born from eating this nutrient dense diet Some of his other studies and observations of kids in youth detention facilities and where he gave different groups of low income kids one nutritious meal per day of beef stew and cod liver oil with really good grass fed butter When displacing foods of modern civilization came in (sugar, flour, canned foods, vegetable oils) the first thing that happened was rampant tooth decay. The next generation had the narrow jaws and crooked teeth People on the traditional diet didn’t get tuberculosis He studied the level in vitamins in butter compared to when the cows were on the best grass compared to heart attack rates He also presented data showing the level of minerals in the soil and the correlation to PhDs - the areas that people were born and raised with the most fertile soil produced far more doctors Her new book is called Nourishing Diets and it looks at what populations around the world really ate throughout history. Of course none of them were vegan or vegetarian - they all highly cherished and regarded animal foods https://www.amazon.com/Nourishing-Diets-Ancestral-Traditional-Peoples/dp/1538711680 Crushes the original Blue Zones book that tried to claim many long living populations were plant based He actually lied - there’s studies showing all the people who got more animal foods and animal fat lived longer than people who didn’t She has an article about each one of the 5 blue zones refuting the original author: http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-okinawa/ http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-sardinia http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-ikaria-greece/ http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-loma-linda/ http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-costa-rica/ The China Study is also oft cited by vegetarian zealots. That was a very poorply done study and actually the authors said it was not to be used to draw conclusions from or show causation… although that’s exactly what vegan propagandist T. Colin Campbell did She says grains were actually being cultivated before we thought. BUT all the cultures knew to detoxify them by soaking and fermenting them Eating a bunch of whole grains caused a ton of problems in modern society like gluten intolerance, leaky but, SIBO, IBS, and much more. THere’s so many anti-nutrients in grains, humans aren't meant to digest them No whole foods are excluded on the Weston A. Price diet. It’s all about the context and preparation of your food A little know fact is that brushing your teeth isn't the biggest factor in tooth decay - it’s actually your diet. Obviously these non-westernized cultures throughout history didn't have toothpaste, toothbrushes, and flouride, yet they all had near-perfect teeth How the nutrient diet of our ancestors affects jaw development Anecdotally, her parents both had perfect teeth (raised on butter and animal fat), her and her 3 siblings all needed braces (raised on vegetable oils), and all her children and grandchildren have great teeth (went back to butter and animal fats) Her daughter has a gluten intolerance because she got too many whole grains too early in life. For her later children she waited and they’re all fine Why raw milk is considered harmful (even though it is what we should be consuming) It’s funny to see all this new enthusiasm for bone broth and fermented foods when Dr .Price and the foundation have known about it all along The future is in small artisan producers of these foods - it doesn’t take a lot of capital to start up The new generation is already heading this way - they don’t want to work for big corporations Technology got us away from our roots but it has the potential to help us get back They set up http://rawmilk.com Become a member or find out more at http://westonaprice.com Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/
  • 01:20:24

    Part 26 - Tara Couture on Nutrient Dense, Ancestral, and Optimal Eating, Farming, and Life

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    Welcome back everyone, I’m Brian Sanders and I quit my job and have dedicated my life to the investigation of nutrition and lifelong health. I’m creating the feature length documentary Food Lies, this podcast, and a health technology company here in Los Angeles with a doctor and 2 other partners.

    Today I’m talking to Tara Couture who is a certified nutritionist, homestead farmer, expert in nutrient dense cooking and living, and maybe my new favorite person ever.

    She’s raised her family for 25 years on the most amazing, nutrient dense foods you can imagine using her nutrition background, teachings from Weston A. Price, raw milk from farmer friends, and mostly her own animals she raises. She butchers her own animals, churns her own butter, makes her own head cheese, etc., etc. She is the real deal. Check out what I’m talking about before you even listen to this episode on her amazing Instagram account http://instagram.com/slowdownfarmstead

    She’s a wealth of information and I genuinely enjoyed our talk. We get into vegan lies, the canadian mafia-like police arresting people for selling food they produced by hand, crazy family members refusing to eat her food, and a lot more. Her husband is an ER doctor and deals with some of this insanity as well.

    Don’t forget you can still preorder the Food Lies film on Indiegogo to support its creation and this podcast. Thanks again for everyone’s support so far and please enjoy this great episode with Tara Couture.

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    Show Notes

    She has the best Instagram account in the game http://instagram.com/slowdownfarmstead She lives on a homestead farm in Canada and raises basically all her own animals and food She eats the most glorious, nutrient food you can imagine Tara and her husband (who is a doctor) were in the military and moved around for many years. Every place they went they immediately found local farmers to supply them with the nutrient dense food they needed She bought deep freezers on Craigslist for $50 and bought bulk animals for the whole year People in cities can go to farmers markets or get involved with a CSA (Community Supported Agriculture) https://www.localharvest.org/csa/ Her daughter is living in a small apartment and buying bulk meat from farmers and deep freezing as well It doesn't have to be all or nothing - do what you can Daughters went off and ate normal food with friends as teenagers and felt sick and hated it She’s eating an animal food-only diet currently but doesn't like to call it carnivore or keto because that’s not what she’s after - she’s going after nutrient density She lists some of the things she eats daily - duck confit, head cheese, rabbit liver, kidney, adn heart pate, duck prosciutto… the list goes on Duck prosciutto sounds fancy but is actually super easy to make We’ve been sold a bunch of lies by big food producers making it seem like they’re the only ones that can feed us and it’s so hard to cook on your own She inexplicably has a 26 year old daughter while looking 26 herself Her daughter was misdiagnosed with a rare disease which made her go vegetarian. Her health fell apart despite doing it very well with all the right food combinations All her daughters were raised on organic foods, raw milk and cream, lots of animal fats and they are all beautiful and lean They’ve never had antibiotics and none of them even have a doctor The younger 2 daughters have never had a cavity (Tara was eating vegetarian when she had the oldest so…) Her youngest is on the boys hockey team and squats 225 lbs and was born 10 lbs 6 oz She thinks their calm and even-keeled temperament is very noticable and attributes it to a very healthy diet They bring big coolers of real foods (meat) to hockey tournaments Youngest daughter has never had fast food before - she says she wants that to be on her tombstone “the kid that never went to McDonalds” They have a beautiful organic garden and eat fermented plant foods like sauerkraut and kimchi She’s temporarily eating only animal foods because she has zero inflammation that way, feels great, and has no gut issues She lives near Ottawa on the Canadian Shield which has thin soil and is very rocky. There’s also trees everywhere. This land cannot be used for crops. The only good use for it is animals. They wander the forest and eat a really diverse variety of forage She does rotational grazing with her cows in the warmer months “The idea that grain or vegetarian diets will save the earth is so nonsensical. Anyone that works on the land can explain to you in one sentence why that can’t happen” Vegans have the loudest voices so people think it’s the majority People like Bill Gates think they know how to save the world - he’s some nerd who started a computer company - what does he know about farming? Don’t wait for these changes to come from the top - get your own well-sourced meat today She raises dairy cows, beef cows, ducks, meat rabbits, and heritage breed pigs (off and on) She makes her own butter which destroys any store bought grass fed butter Animals have instincts, just like humans, of what’s good for them She is working outside the system regarding insurance, so if anything happens she’s screwed They have a quota system for milk where you have to buy the right to sell milk for tens of thousands of dollars It’s like a mafia. They raided her neighbor and took him to court It would be illegal for her to serve me milk if I visited Her slaughter story 7 min documentary on mobile slaughter called “I Kill” https://vimeo.com/118461898 The first animal she was around for the end of life was a bison she butchered with her mentor She develops relationships with these animals. This is part of life. We have a disconnect with death, and it’s not good For some reason we’re trying to rewrite nature and evolution with our current “me” oriented thought patterns An unnamed person in her life came over for dinner and brought her own diet yogurt, 7up, and granola bar to eat and refused to eat her farm grown, handmade food Her dad has major health problems Her husband is a doctor but doesn’t want to be part of the system pumping out drugs People go to the hospital for a common cold and demand antibiotics So much depression, ADHD, and anxiety in children these days, it’s crazy When he asks people what they eat they're offended Our society is soft We need to start with our community food system first - not the big food companies or policy at the top level https://www.westonaprice.org http://www.eatwild.com “It’s been the great con job of our century to make us think that all this stuff is hard and foreign and out of reach” Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/
  • 01:38:26

    Part 25 - Layne Norton on Carbs vs. Fat, Metabolism, and Personalized Nutrition

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    Welcome back everyone, I’m Brian Sanders and I quit my job and have dedicated my life to the investigation of nutrition and lifelong health. I’m creating the feature length documentary Food Lies, this podcast, and a health technology company here in Los Angeles with a doctor and 2 other partners.

    Today we have Layne Norton who I had a great time talking with and has a lot of good messages… Nobody should get too caught up in one way of doing something, even if it has tons of apparent benefits. I’ve always tried to keep an open mind and have repeatedly talked about how many different dietary strategies can work, especially on the two opposite ends of the spectrum. Just don’t get caught in the middle like most Americans.

    This wasn’t supposed to be a debate. Previous guest Dr. Dom D’Agostino recently had a quote debate with Layne on Joe Rogan’s podcast which I recommend that everyone check out. I don’t think Dom challenged him enough so I wanted to have him on and ask a few more questions. I believe people can do fine running on fat or glucose, or both, there's just benefits and downsides depending on which. I see almost no downsides to fat, it’s working for me, I see way more lines of evidence pointing to this being our default state, and so I continue to lean on this side as the preferred metabolic state.

    We talked about a very interesting study that just came out in November that I feel puts a big hit on his position that if you keep protein and overall calories consistent between to groups of people, the fat and carb content doesn't matter. This study which I linked to in the show notes https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4583 by Dr. David Ludwig controls for these, lasts 20 weeks - so long enough to actually get the subjects fat adapted (which I wanted to make a bigger point of that almost all other big studies fail to do) - and clearly shows as you drop your carb intake and replace it with fat, you burn more calories. If you’re burning more energy, you're losing weight.

    I have so many regrets on things I could have brought up and I’m sure I left things out. Many people listening will probably be yelling at their phones that I could have contradicted the old Kevin Hall studies in this way or brought up some point here or there. I’ll just say it’s hard to get everything out in the moment, live on air.

    One thing I was was going to say was NuSi funding the study doesn't make it biased. They purposely found researchers that don’t agree with the hypothesis to run the experiments with Dr. Ludwig. The subject changed and I forgot to bring this up.

    I also wanted to point to the blood markers that improved in the low carb group in this study compared to the higher carb group. This is important no matter what, but even more important to me because they weren't in a calorie deficit - they were just maintaining weight. That’s huge. Layne always says all the benefits of low carb can be attributed to being in a deficit. He said he didn’t get a chance to go over the study yet though. I’ll have to ask him about this another time. I posted the images of the graphs from the study on Instagram so you can see them there if you go back a few posts. Just search for @food.lies.

    Also, I’m not diminishing all the great aspects of keto. I feel like I’m going to piss off the keto community in this episode because they think I’m dismissing it or not bringing up all the studies showing the unique benefits. That’s for another time - I’m talking to Dr. Ryan Lowery about coming on the podcast soon who is the guy Layne is having a little online war with that comes up in this episode. He’ll talk about all the great studies on the benefits of a ketogenic diet. I wanted to focus on other things with Layne. We agree on a bunch of stuff in the first half then start to debate things in the second half.

    A bit more about him; he has a PhD in Nutritional Science and a background in biochemistry, he’s a professional natural bodybuilder, he’s won a bunch of competitions, he’s published a number of scientific papers, he’s a bodybuilding and physique coach, and also an author of a new book on weight loss.

    Before we get to the interview, I want to say if you have gotten any value out of the last 24 podcasts, the best way to show your support is to click through the link in the show notes and preorder a copy of the Food Lies film on Indiegogo. You can also find it by going to FoodLies.org I’m doing everything I can on a daily basis to spread information and create content to help people find unbiased and accurate information on something that should be everyone’s top priority in life - their health. Thanks so much for your support, and here’s Layne Norton.

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    Show Notes

    He recently debated previous guest and keto researcher, Dom D’Agostino on Joe Rogan’s podcast He’s main goal is to call bullshit on bad science and bad dietary advice Dr. Mark Haub and the junk food diet http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html Calories in = calories out will always stand, there’s a lot more to it though The real problem is excess eating, so find a way that works for you to not do this He just finished an Ebook on losing weight and actually keeping it off called Fat Loss Forever https://www.biolayne.com/fat-loss-forever/ Everyone has their own hack or restriction they prefer. It could be keto makes you never feel hungry, for him it’s tracking his calories and macro intake People get really zealous about one way of eating when it works for them Exercise doesn't contribute a ton of weight loss by burning calories unless you’re doing a ton of it Exercise lowers the set point your body defends Some research showing exercise or activity sensitizes you to satiety signals Bengali workers study https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/4/2/169/4787034 Recency and delayed gratification Change your reward structure The real problem is fat and carbs together Why do diets fail? Rodent study showed it took twice as long to lose weight the 2nd attempt at dieting and they regained the weight 3 times as fast 4 basic components of your metabolic rate: BMR, NEAT, TEF, activity expenditure Don’t ever attempt a “diet” that has a start and end point, it’s destined for failure - choose lifestyle modification you can stick to Diets fail when things go wrong in people’s lives - limited will power I believe there are benefits to being fat adapted New study showing more energy is burned on a low carb diet compared to low fat, when calories and protein are controlled https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4583 Here’s one study about the brain (in rodents) using ketones preferentially over glucose https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2874681/ Here’s another in humans https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0271678X16669366?journalCode=jcba Also from a Biochem textbook: “Many tissues prefer to use fatty acids and ketone bodies as oxidizable fuels in place of glucose. Most such tissues can use glucose but prefer to oxidize fatty acids and ketone bodies” Thomas M. Devlin, ed., Textbook of Biochemistry with Clinical Correlations Humans can only store around 600g of glycogen in the muscles and liver yet we can store basically unlimited fat - we’re meant to run like batteries. Glucose wasn't always around. Metabolic flexibility Layne Norton’s keto experiment More carb vs. fat debate He is doubting if Tim Noakes actually had type 2 diabetes symptoms TOFI Thin on the Outside, Fat on the Inside Protein leverage hypothesis and Dr. Ted Naiman Eating pop tarts and their expensive toll Evolution and fat Eating at a deficit might be all that matters What about all the micronutrients? His angle is coming from bodybuilders who have a lot of energy to burn and are already good at tracking things like calories and being disciplined What he’s changed his mind on He’s debating Dr. Shawn Baker on Mark Bell’s podcast about vegetables Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/
  • 01:16:46

    Part 24 - Dr. David Klurfeld on Meat NOT Causing Cancer, Bogus Vegetarian Scientists, and Balanced Nutrition

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    Welcome back everyone, I’m Brian Sanders and I quit my job and have dedicated my life to the investigation of nutrition and lifelong health. I’m creating the feature length documentary Food Lies, this podcast, and a health technology company here in Los Angeles with a doctor and 2 other partners.

    Today my guest is Dr. David Klurfeld, which is a quite a treat. This is his first podcast appearance and had to get special clearance to be able to participate. He couldn’t talk about certain things because he’s the National Program Leader for Human Nutrition in the Agricultural Research Service of the USDA since 2004. He was also on the working group of the World Health Organization that decided meat causes cancer in 2015. I won’t leave you guessing - he was very opposed to it and called it “the most frustrating professional experience of his life.”

    He’s accumulated a vast amount of knowledge over his 40 years researching nutrition and dietary factors in cardiovascular diseases and cancer. He wrote an amazing peer-reviewed article defending meat titled “what is the role of meat in a healthy diet” which I linked to in the show notes. https://academic.oup.com/af/article/8/3/5/5048762

    He’s not going to support a fully carnivorous diet, but certainly sees past the bogus vegan propaganda

    Speaking of support - PLEASE support Food Lies on Indiegogo. Thanks for everything so far. The campaign just ended but Indiegogo allows us to keep funding because we hit our baseline goal. We need a bit more help to hit the real goal, however. Pre-order a copy of the film or check out some of the other perks. Also, this podcast has a website that I have barely even mentioned. Check out peak-human.com for all episodes and detailed show notes.

    A little more about Dr. Klurfeld before we start: He is responsible for the scientific direction of the intramural human nutrition research conducted by USDA laboratories. He has published more than 200 peer-reviewed articles and book chapters. He was Editor-in-Chief of the Journal of the American College of Nutrition for 6 years and is currently Associate Editor of the American Journal for Clinical Nutrition. He is also a member of National Institute for Diabetes, Digestive and Kidney Diseases Advisory Council.

    Let’s just say he’s done his homework… and still enjoys a good steak… here he is!

    Show Notes

    Dr. David Klurfeld focuses his research on the 3 macronutrients and their effect on health on chronic disease - specifically breast and colon cancer People debate on how much what we eat affects diet and disease A paper published tries to stick all of cardiovascular disease precisely on 10 factors https://jamanetwork.com/data/Journals/JAMA/936095/joi170008f1.png Full article: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2608221 David and I spoke earlier and are on the same page - there’s no one-size-fits-all solution for how to eat, and nobody should pretend they have all the answers. There’s a framework and some general guidelines, however, that people should be aware of (if this isn’t already abundantly clear, this is the goal of the Food Lies film They have high salt as #1 factor of “cardiometabolic mortality attributable to dietary habits” and #2 being “low intake of nuts and seeds” There’s no evidence to support these specific quantities like amount of PUFAs Residual confounding is a big problem that’s not really addressed The thing that meat consumption correlates with most is not living a healthy life and ignoring doctor’s recommendations. Smoking, not exercising, etc. Eating meat made us human - why would it be killing us? Dr. David Klurfeld: Red meat is somehow blamed for a multitude of varying diseases and cancers. Imagine if one medication was purported to cure all of these disparate things? It’s just not plausible You can get half your daily requirement of protein in just 3.5 ounces of meat Dr. David Klurfeld: there are 8 essential amino acids which are in animal foods but absent in all plant foods We should get the best of both worlds and eat an omnivorous diet We don’t know exactly what our ancestors ate but they sure didn't have international trade of peaches and didn’t have farms. We chased animals He’s done a lot of research on fiber and therefore not that hot on the carnivore diet Even though there’s no requirement for fiber in our guidelines, he believes we have more science now He believes if you don't eat fiber in your diet, your body will eat away the good mucus membrane in your intestinal walls I ask about people or populations on long term carnivore diets - connective tissue in animals feed gut intestines like fiber does He also says the lifetime risk of colon cancer is only 5 out 100 - so we’d have to study hundreds of thousands of people for a long period of time to get meaningful data - we just don’t know the effects He’s like to see dietary guidelines have a grade for the level of evidence After all the decades of research and gazillions of dollars he still can’t say anything with any level of certainty about what you can eat to get or not get cancer Processed meat is said to increase risk of cancer by 1.2 while cigarettes are 10 to 30 times the risk You don’t know if it’s real risk or noise in the system at these very low levels like 1.1 and 1.2 He talks about studies they do which are pretty controlled with meals handed out and weighed in the lab - way better than these bogus food questionnaires People can’t remember what they ate over the course of the whole year Tylervegan.com has a graphing tool for correlations. He made a graph showing the correlation between per capita consumption of beef and deaths by lightning that are correlated by almost 90% - this stuff CAN’T show causation He actually appeared in the plant based film Forks Over Knives where they tried to get him with a gotcha moment and make it seem like the meat industry is funding them and they are biased Dr. David Klurfeld says the USDA is a giant organization with 90k employees and many different departments - they don’t influence each other though when it comes to studies. He is 100% certain about that He’s seen vegetarians on these committees who want everyone to be vegetarian, but never meat eaters who want everyone to eat meat He believes being a vegetarian is a conflict of interest on these committees He was on the World Health Organization working group to decide if meat causes cancer in 2015 with a bunch of vegetarians and vegans and says it was the most frustrating professional experience of his life There were 22 scientists - half of which were epidemiologists They claimed they used 800 studies but they actually only used 18 There was a group of people that were strongly against the vote He thinks a number of the people made up their minds before they even arrived National Cancer Institute study with 900 people split into 2 groups who had an intestinal polyp removed on a colonoscopy. One group told to eat whatever they want, one group was assigned a “healthy” diet low in red meat and processed meat, high in fruits, vegetables, and whole grains. 3 years later the risk to get a 2nd polyp was exactly the same in both groups. The emission of red and processed meats did nothing. Then came the Women’s Health Initiative - largest nutrition study in history. 9 years of a low fat diet compared to a control - again, no difference in risk for colon cancer So they threw out the 2 studies that were actually scientifically controlled on humans, none of the animal studies showed any problem with meat, and they're left with epidemiology and mechanistic studies they CANNOT show causation One of the members of the working group did a study feeding mice bacon and also an agent to induce cancer and actually found the bacon diet reduced precancerous lesions! They relied on one study that fed mice blood sausage at 3 times the normal dose of protein and the diet had a calcium deficiency - only then was The report on that 2015 decision finally came out this summer and he has no idea why or if they omitted those studies he brought up He mentioned to a staff member of the WHO that he thought people on the working group should declare that they are a vegetarian as a conflict of interest - she laughed and said she was a vegetarian and they changed the subject Being a vegetarian, in his view, is far more of a conflict of interest than who funds you - it's a more deep-seated belief He estimates ¼ to ⅓ of the committee making the decision against red meat were vegetarians His journal article “The role of meat in a healthy diet” https://academic.oup.com/af/article/8/3/5/5048762 Since the only used observational studies, it should only be suggestive that they should look into it more, certainly not causal In other fields of study this is the case. Nutrition is somehow held to different and much looser standards Nutrition researchers with a bias think they're saving the world and push this information without solid evidence, just their beliefs and some observations People have different responses to whole grains and refined grains - there’s no way to tell. So many factors from gut bacteria to genetics It’s impossible to give everyone in the country personalized tests and recommendations. Personalized nutrition is the future though. What can we do now knowing this? His personal nutrition ideas are 1) eat a variety of foods, 2) don’t eat too much of any one food, 3) enjoy what you eat He mentions nutrient density - Americans eat an enormous amount of calories from non-nutrient dense foods packed with white flour plus sugar and fat Eating out used to be a once per week treat, now it's almost every meal Soda used to be a 7oz bottle as a treat - now people are luggin home multiple 2 liters to have on hand at all times We started getting obese when we gave out the dietary guidelines - the problem was we said eat less fat so carbohydrates got a free pass He thinks we are on a bounce back from the low fat thing and it's not correct to say carbs are bad Unless you have high blood pressure you don’t have to go on a low salt diet Salt is essential and fine - the problem is processed foods usually have too much salt so we think it’s a problem, but it’s actually the processed food For all vitamins and minerals - it's dose dependent “The dose makes the poison” - toxicologists have known this for 500 years With nutrition it’s all or nothing, though All the studies we have showing fruits and vegetables are good for us are from people eating conventionally raised produce - not organic He says half the fruits and vegetables we eat have no pesticide residue on them at all - the USDA tests thousands and thousands of samples each year Here’s the latest available (2016) report https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/2016PDPAnnualSummary.pdf.pdf He’s right - it says only 0.46% of samples exceeded the safe levels The permissible levels have built in margins of safety He says heart attack rates are way down and cancer is up due to us living longer (I beg to differ) Commercial fryers can have oxidized PUFAs We need a more balanced Omega 3 to Omega 6 ratio We should be cooking more at home - no profit for big food manufacturers however What about carcinogens in meat from burning or charring? I say we have been cooking meat for 2 million years and have developed mechanisms to deal with this acute stressor just like the small toxins in plants The animal studies pointing to problems in animals had 1000 times the carcinogens as in a well done piece of meat (that I would never cook anyway…) Why would we blame meat, that we’ve been eating for all of human history, for our modern diseases Elderly people need adequate protein and ground beef would be preferable to cottage cheese or tofu because all of the great micronutrients and total nutrient profile It’s insane that what many people today consider a “healthy diet” is one that avoids red meat He did the first study showing benefits of red wine back in the 80s Future of nutrition research is going to be more personalized Companies are selling a bunch of yogurt - we have no idea if those help your gut bacteria or not Maybe we’ll have 10-20 “buckets” to put people in based on their physiology that will give them an ideal nutritional approach It’s all about developing a healthy pattern of eating Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/
  • 01:01:30

    Part 23 - Pete Evans on Making The Magic Pill, The Paleo Way, and Colluding Dietitians

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    Today I had the pleasure of talking to celebrity chef, filmmaker, and all around great guy, Pete Evans. He co-hosts the #1 show in Australia, My Kitchen Rules which is in its 10th season and is shown in 160 countries. He’s written a ton of books and cookbooks, he’s created the show The Paleo Way, and has a great podcast called Recipes For Life. You may know him from the documentary The Magic Pill, which everyone listening has probably already seen on Netflix. He’s an amazing, positive force in Australia and the world, and it may not be apparent from our brief talk. We only had an hour so I’m going to have him on again because there’s so much more to get into. I’ll get a better recording situation next time. You’ll notice the quality wasn’t so great due to the recording service we were forced to use. A lot to enjoy in this episode though - he brings up some really creepy stuff about the dietitians association of Australia colluding to discredit and silence himself and a prominent doctor who advocate for people to lower sugar in their diet. Absurd, but true. These are the last few days you can pre-order the Food Lies film on Indiegogo. We really need your help to get this finished. We’re not taking any outside funding and have so far used much of our own time, money, and resources. It’s really coming out fantastic, and I can’t wait to share it with the world. Pre-ordering is the only way to have your own copy and share it with family and friends and you’ll get it a couple months early. It’s also the best way to show your support for this podcast and getting this information out there. I really appreciate all the support so far and can’t thank this awesome community enough. Click through the link in the show notes on your podcast app, at peak-human.com, at FoodLies.org, or search for it on Indiegogo.com Thanks and please enjoy my talk with Pete Evans. http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post

    Show Notes

    Find out more about Pete Evans https://peteevans.com His TV show My Kitchen Rules https://mkr.7plus.com.au His series The Paleo Way https://peteevans.com/initiatives/the-paleo-way/ He self funded The Magic Pill and The Paleo Way and executive produced it Got a distributor and it went nowhere… He realized he had a lot of great content and a documentary was a better format for this valuable information His director Rob Tate came in huge Hope For Health - benefitting the Australian Aboriginals https://www.hopeforhealth.com.au Why Warriors Lay Down and Die http://www.whywarriors.com.au/services/why-warriors-lie-down-and-die/ He brings up Weston A. Price - has he been mentioned every episode? The power of an ancestral diet is undeniable - changes unfolded in real time on film as people got off their diabetes medication and got healthier The trial of Professor Tim Noakes (listen to Prof. Noakes in episode 3) was going on at the same time so they decided to film that as well Dr. Gary Fettke has also been silenced by the dieticians in Australia. He’s an orthopedic surgeon who cuts off limbs due to diabetes yet he was silenced for telling patients to avoid sugar Had great stories from Nina Teicholz, Joel Salatin, and Lierre Keith (all friends of Food Lies film/this podcast) Original cut of Magic Pill was more controversial and inflammatory but Pete wasn’t comfortable with that The president of the Australian Medical Association called it a dangerous film and tried to get it taken off of Netflix. He’s now been replaced… He’s working with Dr. gary Fettke to get the dietary guidelines changed in Australia Dr. Gary Fettke got ahold of some internal files showing Dietitians Association colluding with multinational food organizations to have himself, Pete, and other members of the paleo community silenced or discredited The more films and information about ancestral eating, the better Carnivore movement - Shawn Baker and Mikhaila Peterson - it’s good to fight against the vegan propaganda and prove meat isn’t harmful, but in fact beneficial Pete put up a $1 million bet if those dietitians can prove that the grass fed, grass finished steak and vegetables he served his family for dinner can be proven to be harmful As a chef, why would you use the blandest foods in your cooking? The pasta, the bread, the plain starches that add no nutritional value or flavor. Instead you can use the most nutrient dense and delicious foods possible - all the low carb foods Nora Gedgaudas and her life changing book for Pete, Primal Body Primal Mind https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9571633-primal-body-primal-mind They went on a speaking tour together over the course of 2 years Food should be something you can eat straight from nature, full of nutrients and flavor. That is not wheat and grains The problem is we are taking bland foods devoid of nutrients (refined carbs) and adding fake flavors to them which is tricking us into overeating and not getting adequate nutrition The Dorito Effect https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22609354-the-dorito-effect From a restaurant’s point of view, the best thing for someone to order is the pasta because there’s such a high profit margin Cooking your own grass fed meat, wild caught seafood, and organic vegetables is very affordable and can be cheaper if you make a little effort Don’t wait until your health fails to start eating correctly What if there was a generation of young people who grew up thriving their entire lives on a good diet? How can we implement a change even in the school system where kids are taught what to eat and how to cook? Pete Evans says the dietary guidelines need to be changed After a birthday party the kids leave with a a bag of candy - what a bizarre tradition Pete tells a very good story about his daughters when they were younger We wrap things up with some positive messages and a plan to continue the conversation when there’s more time at a later date Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/
  • 01:11:55

    Part 22 - Marty Kendall on Nutrient Density, Satiety, and Rethinking Diabesity

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    Marty Kendall is an engineer, a speaker, and a writer. He’s analyzed a bunch of data and built some cool, free technology. He’s also brought a lot of people together who are working on cutting edge, practical information. He runs a group where some of the smartest people in nutrition are interacting daily, sharing information and studies and clinical experience. This includes Dr. Ted Naiman who was my first guest and who we bring up a few times in this episode. These are not anti-carb people, they aren’t dogmatic, they don’t let other interests or beliefs enter the picture. They're after information and truth and are working towards healing people and changing lives.

    They’re coming at this from all sides and from all over the world. Some are doing the research, some are just interpreting it and thinking about it from new angles. Ted is in the clinic daily, putting it into practice and reversing diabetes. Marty is building tools and thinking about it from his engineering perspective. I love people who think about it this way - I’m like a broken record, because I’m an engineer too. We need to stop thinking that only a doctor can be an expert on nutrition. Why would they be? They have extremely little or no nutrition specific training. They are brilliant when it comes to a million other things, but they aren't the end-all be-all of nutrition They can be though. But so can an engineer who dedicates years of their life to researching a topic. Not everyone who does this will be smart or correct, but some are. These are the people I get on the podcast. Ivor Cummins, Tucker Goodrich, Gabor Erdosi, Dave Feldman soon, and now Marty Kendall. There’s many more as well, and I’ll continue to find them.

    Enough of my ranting - just a quick word on the Food Lies documentary. It’s going really well and being pushed forward daily. I just booked our trip to Maryland to film with Dr. Bill Schindler. Go back to listen to that episode if you missed it. There’s only about 11 days left on the Indiegogo.com crowdfunding page. Please go there to preorder the film. There’s a link in the show notes in your podcast app and on peak-human.com. You also can search for Food Lies on Indiegogo or go to FoodLies.org to learn more. Now please take a listen to Marty and I talk about my favorite topic - nutrient density.

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    Show Notes Marty Kendall runs the great site http://optimisingnutrition.com and the facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/1419823171384689/ Ted Naiman, Robb Wolf, Luis Villasenor, and Tyler Cartwright (ketogains) all collaborate with him to figure this nutrition stuff out What is nutrient density? Matt Lalonde’s presentation at AHS 2012 https://youtu.be/HwbY12qZcF4 Cronometer is a great app to track food and nutrients https://cronometer.com Nutrient dense foods are less insulinogenic, more satiating, and less energy dense Try to quantify things because nutrition is confusing enough I disagree with Joel Fuhrman’s nutrient density scoring system His version of nutrient density is variable and is based on what you personally aren’t getting enough of If you’re getting enough micronutrients, you’re very likely to be getting all the protein you need Can’t make a perfect diet because too many factors - season, cost, preference, etc. Some of the most nutrient dense and satiating foods are leafy greens, fish eggs, seafood, liver We’ve always sought after nutritious foods throughout history, with or without knowing it He mentions my recent episode with Tucker Goodrich https://www.peak-human.com/home/tucker-goodrich-on-vegetable-oils-being-at-the-heart-of-modern-disease on seed oils and how unnatural and energy dense they are Modern foods are engineered to trick us - they tastes delicious, but have no nutrition The book The Dorito Effect chronicles this https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22609354-the-dorito-effect?from_search=true It’s a cliche for a reason - eat real foods Trying to formulate a low insulin diet for his wife with type 1 diabetes that is also nutrient dense What are the most nutrient dense foods? Amazing benefits of seafood Modern food is dog food - stuffed with cheap grains and vegetable oils with huge profit margins for big food manufacturers at the expense of the consumer’s health Satiety Used 587,000 day worth of publicly available food data from MyFitnessPal to do some data crunching Fed state, glucagon, and type 1 diabetes closed system insulin pump How to eat less and manage hunger? Holt satiety study in 1995 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/15701207_A_Satiety_Index_of_common_foods Carbs and fat together gives you the highest calorie intake HIs in-depth article on satiety https://optimisingnutrition.com/2018/10/09/calculating-satiety/ They have an app that helps you only by satiating foods in the grocery store Cian Foley has a book called Don’t Eat for Winter https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34616334-don-t-eat-for-winter?from_search=true Protein leverage hypothesis Nutrient leverage hypothesis Crops losing nutrition - USDA data shows nutrients going down as obesity goes up right at the point where Big Agriculture begins Vitamin A, B12, and protein levels dropped as we avoided animal foods We need mixed farming methods that include ruminants that put nutrients back in the soil Graph of highest and lowest intakes of food and macro ratios https://twitter.com/tednaiman/status/977992445387448320 Thermic Effect of Food (TEF) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_dynamic_action Unifying Theory of Nutrition Potato hack diet https://visualimpactfitness.com/potato-hack-for-rapid-fat-loss/ Holt study from 1995 plain baked potato had the most perceived satiety The potato hack and a juice fast may work temporarily but they are ill-advised Best thing to do is eat a nutrient dense diet - my view is that if you can gradually adjust your lifestyle and preferences towards this you never worry about counting calories or being hungry Marty notes the advantages of tracking and being mindful for many people Building positive habits around healthy choices when shopping or eating Watercress is at the top of his satiety and nutrient density data I’m developing a practical version of nutrient density and satiety focused foods that people can look at and make meal choices from it If we want to eat like (some) our ancestors (for some periods of history) and eat a carnivore diet, you need to actually eat like them by eating nose to tail Ideas on how our ancestors eating whole foods diets had well-formed jaws, wide dental arches, and great dental health (along with amazing health in general) His trip to Vanuatu and their amazing tasting, fresh food that they can’t really afford (or maybe prefer) so they sell it and then buy oreos and vegetable oil Dr. Gary Fettke has to go over there and amputate limbs due to the new epidemic of diabetes from these western foods He personally witnessed the striking difference between the people eating the modern foods and the isolated people eating the native whole foods - the isolated people had amazing teeth, well-formed jaws, and perfect health, while the ones in the main city were having a ton of problems Carbohydrate-insulin model of diabesity and the adipose centric model - see the graphic and the full article here https://optimisingnutrition.com/2018/05/03/ted-naimans-dam-fat-storage-insulinographic-explained/ Don’t overeat energy Can do ok on a bivalve plant based diet - still getting nutrient dense animal foods Personal fat threshold We can store a limited amount of protein and carbohydrate, but almost unlimited fat Professor Roy Taylor study - normal weight individuals with type 2 diabetes https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25515001 Thin on the Outside, Fat on the Inside (TOFI) - how do they get like this? One more description of the dam analogy (everyone should check out the full article linked above) Bolus vs. basal insulin in type 1 diabetics - why a low carb diet is good How to keep insulin in check in general - strength training, some HIIT His Nutrient Optimizer app and Never Hungry Diet app - free tools to help you eat more nutrient dense foods, fill in gaps in micronutrients you are lacking, and shop for more satiating foods while in the store https://nutrientoptimiser.com All of diet is so context specific, you can’t recommend just one way of eating He’s off to Low Carb Down Under to do a presentation on Satiety Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/