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Veronica is joined by guest Jonathan Smith (he/him) to scrutinize the modes of gatekeeping enacted by sign up sheet culture for open call auditions, union access, and casting directors. How can casting directors who are unknowledgeable about the dance forms they are casting in become gatekeepers, despite good intentions? In the age of technology, are casting directors even needed anymore or do they add an extra barrier for access into the dance industry? And, the question to close us out as we inch closer to January 2025: what will theater and Broadway shows look like if we enter four years under Trump?
Jonathan McClinton Smith (he/him, IG: @jonathannsmith) was most recently seen on Broadway in Disney's Aladdin. Smith has danced with Step Afrika!, The 7 Fingers, Telemundo, Cirque du Soleil’s Cirque Dreams, Les Farfadais, and many more. Smith was also in two world premieres in 2023: Malvolio (Classical Theatre of Harlem) and Watch Night (Dir & Choreo: Bill T. Jones, PAC NYC).
(recorded: November 19, 2024)
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In this week’s episode, j. and Veronica share how their body and mind have settled after the election results, particularly emphasizing their point-of-view on the circulating feelings of doom and gloom that have been amplified by the algorithm, as well as their observations on the patterns of passings of elders to ancestors in the wake of Judith Jamison’s passing. While we come to terms with the results of the election, how can we express this without dismissing the fact that oppression is engrained in the United States’ past and present, no matter the administration in power? And, more importantly, how can we channel this energy into showing up for already established mutual aid efforts and organizations that have been putting in the work for years, if not decades?
*Note: j. uses their Tibetan singing ball to lead a small meditation session! For those with auditory sensitivity, this is around 9:05 and ends around 11:55.
(recorded: November 12, 2024)
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Recorded on election day before the polls had closed, j. and Veronica consider how our ancestors (those who fought not only for freedom, but also oppression) have shaped our current political climate, as well as how to determine which ancestor is guiding our actions. From the sheer loss of mail-in ballots to the fires set in ballot boxes, they use the Voting Rights Act to discuss the longstanding history of how such drastic measures to suppress voters could be so widespread. This recent piece of history that has led to widespread voter suppression leads them to question our vocabulary when we are talking about our ancestors–what are the dangers of purposefully ignoring those oppressors in our past?
*Note: Unfortunately, j.’s mic cut out in the last 30 minutes, so the episode abruptly ends! However, we will pick back up with that conversation in next week’s episode.
(recorded: November 5, 2024)
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As we come to terms with the results of last night’s presidential election, j. and Veronica pose conversations that are necessary for us to consider in our own bodies as we figure out how to sustainably support our communities around us. Where is liberation in astrology? Where is liberation and community in our bodies? Why should we practice intentional joy and gratitude and resist the urge to doom scroll? And, as we continue our creative practice, how can we understand how fascism and the defunding of art are inherently connected?
(recorded: October 22, 2024)
And a special treat: j. Uses their Tibetan singing ball to lead a small meditation session! For those with auditory sensitivity, this is around 18:00 and ends around 20:00.
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Join j. bouey, Veronica Jiao, and Troy Ogilvie as they explore how training in western dance forms, especially ballet, affects our improvised movement, as well as how training in western dance forms stifles our natural movement leading to constrained movement in the club. Ultimately, how can training in a dance form developed in a royal court create a crisis when trying to connect with our own ancestral dances?
Our second weekly of the season! Question for y’all as we go into Halloween: how do you envision astrology forecasts being incorporated in the podcast? Reach out to us here or on our Instagram (@thedanceunion) if you have any ideas on how to embody the forecast!
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This week’s episode, recorded shortly following the one-year anniversary of October 7th, features j. bouey and Veronica Jiao, who discuss how this past year of resistance shaped their personal and professional lives. What has Palestine taught us about resistance, as we not only resist for Palestine, but also for our rights as working professionals? How has this year of grief, in which we continue to mourn the martyrs in Palestine and Lebanon and those unjustly taken by the state, the most recent victim being Marcellus Williams, manifested within our lives?
This is the start of the second part of season 2! We’re changing our format back to having recently recorded weekly episodes! We’re excited to continue this journey with y’all and are grateful for every one of you who joins us.
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Germaul Barnes (he/his/they) and j. sit down to discuss not only how cultivating joy has become intertwined with their careers, but also how joy is essential in resistance. They reflect on how their ancestors held on to joy even in the face of enslavement, exploring what we can learn from that legacy and how we can use joy as a means of caring for our bodies while engaging in any form of resistance within the empire. At the heart of this conversation, Germaul and j. challenge you to ask yourself: what does joy mean to you?
(Recorded: May 26, 2024)
Germaul Barnes is a multi-faceted and acclaimed artist with an international presence, whose choreography has graced stages around the world. He has danced with companies such as Group Motion Dance Company and Tolada Dance Company in Berlin, Germany, and has been mentored by luminaries like Katherine Dunham and Eleo Pomare. Currently, he serves as a répétiteur for the Bill T. Jones/Arnie Zane Company and is dedicated to nurturing the next generation of dancers as an instructor at the Alabama School of Fine Arts.
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In this episode, j. passes the mic to Kayla Hamilton (she/her) and Jerron Herman (he/him) to discuss their experiences navigating the dance world with disabilities, as well as what it means to be a “disabled artist”. How do historical movements, such as that during the AIDS epidemic, inform their own work as they maneuver through the disability arts movement? How do spaces made by and centered around disabled people allow for individuals to fully embody and discuss the intersectionality of their identities? And, considering this, how can we continue to improve on spaces created to include disabled bodies?
(recorded: March 19, 2024)
Kayla Hamilton is a performance maker, dancer, educator, and consultant, who is a current Jerome Hill and Pina Bausch Fellow and is the founder of the recently formed “Circle O”, an organization centering BIPOC Disabled creatives. She is the co-developer of “Crip Movement Lab”, described as “pedagogical framework centering cross-disability movement practices for every-body” and has developed access center programming for several dance organizations in NYC.
Jerron Herman is a dancer/writer, who has premiered works at Danspace Project, Baltimore Museum of Art, LIncoln Center (digital), among others. His writings, including Art Papers and 3 Bodies, have been published across both nationally and internationally. Jerron is currently a part of INTERIM, described as “a boutique centering joy for disabled artists”, and has recently received the 2024 USA Fellowship and the 2023-24 Fellowship at NYU Center for Ballet and the Arts.
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In a special episode, j. passes the mic to three organizers from Dancers for Palestine (D4P), Leila (she/her), Hallie Chametzky (she/her), and Nadia Khayrallah (they/them), so that they can facilitate a discussion amongst the three of themselves about the history of their own relationships with Palestine, Zionism and the repercussions of being pro-Palestinian & having an Arab identity in the dance field, and how D4P came to be. To what degree can art change the world and to what degree do we need to step away from a purely artistic endeavor to focus on mutual aid? And how can we garner a universal acceptance within the dance community that Palestine must be free?
(Recorded: March 16, 2024)
While this episode was recorded in March, these questions are even more prevalent now after the violent suppression of pro-Palestinian protests across college campuses, the continued genocide in the Gaza Strip that has now expanded to the West Bank, and, now, Israel’s terrorism in Lebanon.
*EDITORS NOTE: From 30:00 to 32:30, you can hear the outro play over the guest’s introduction. This will be fixed soon. But, in the meantime please bare with us. We wanted to make sure this episode got out to you on time.*
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To join the movement, email [email protected] and follow us on Instagram @dancers_for_palestine
Dancers for Palestine (D4P) is an autonomous group of dance workers who organize in solidarity with the global movement for Palestinian liberation. Formed during Israel’s genocidal attack on Gaza beginning in 2023, D4P seeks to both cohere and create a dance community which is vocal and active in its support of the Palestinian people.
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Leila is a researcher, performer, choreographer, community organizer, and educator. She is a current PhD candidate at UC Berkeley in the Theatre, Dance, Performance Studies Program and is an alum of New York University and George Mason University. Her research and work look at how dance is co-opted, appropriated, and performed for state and anti-imperial interests, particularly as it pertains to Palestine and its occupation.
Hallie Chametzky (she/her) is a movement artist, writer, archivist, and organizer. Her choreographic work investigates assumptions about historical and contemporary women and the forces which shape their lives. Jewishness is also central to her work, and leftist activism central to her Jewishness. Hallie’s choreography has been supported by University Settlement, MOtiVE Brooklyn, Undiscovered Countries, The Craft, and Spoke the Hub, and her writing can be found in the Brooklyn Rail, In Dance, Culturebot, Nimrod, Mouse Magazine, and Gigantic Sequins, among others.
Nadia Khayrallah (they/them) is a dance artist, writer, admin, (dis)content creator and community (dis)organizer, rooted in history and fantasy, form and groove, esoterica and common sense. Their work has recently been presented with Arab American National Museum, Time & Space Limited, CUE Art Gallery, and Spark Theatre Festival. They can also be found yelling at institutions and writing poems in the notes app.
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In this episode of The Dance Union Podcast, j. was joined by two entrepreneurs, Antuan Byers and Tamisha A. Guy, to discuss why and how their organizations, Black Change Makers and HUETAPE, respectively, came to fruition. How did their experiences as Black dancers in the industry lead them to found organizations that filled a need of the Black community that the general dance industry was not answering? How did they deal with transition after primarily being online during lockdown? What is life like after answering that call? What does it mean to HAVE to answer the call?
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(Recorded: March 9, 2024)
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Antuan Byers (he/him) is a dancer, creative entrepreneur, and organizer, who focuses on using movement to facilitate change. He is the founder and Creative Executive Officer of Black Dance Change Makers, described as “a group of Black dancers
redefining performance through choreographed movements of change,” as well as the Vice President of American Guild of Musical Artists and founding member of AGMA Black Caucus. Along with his work as an organizer, he has performed and worked with organizations such as Ailey II, Mark Morris Dance Group, and the Washington National Opera Ballet.
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Tamisha A. Guy (she/her) is a dance artist, instructor, and maker, who currently performs with A.I.M. by Kyle Abraham and teaches as a Lecturer in Dance at Barnard College. She is the founder of HUETAPE, described as “a skin-toned kinesiology tape brand.” Along with performing with the Martha Graham Dance Company, she has also been awarded the 2022 Vilcek Prize for Creative Promise in Dance and was named one of the 2017 Best Dancers of the Year by Dance Europe.
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Black Dance Change Makers
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In the latest episode of The Dance Union Podcast, Sydnie L. Mosley (she/her) chats with j. bouey (they/them) about the challenges and lessons learned in running a start-up. They dive into the gaps in knowledge that an MFA can't fill, the importance of building relationships and a network that can help fill these gaps, and the struggles of navigating large institutions that often lack adequate support. Sydnie also shares insights on leadership and her experience in exploring new models of distributing leadership in the dance community, exploring the nuances between shared and decentralized leadership, and the ripple effects these models can have on relationships.
(Recorded: March 8, 2024)
Sydnie is an artist-activist and educator, who is a founder of SLMDances, a dance collective. She uses her work to advocate and organize for gender and racial justice and to facilitate a model for dance-activism, with her repertory including The Window Sex Project, Body Business, and, most recently, PURPLE: A Ritual In Nine Spells at Lincoln Center. Awards and recognitions of Sydnie’s work is definitely not limited to, but includes being recognized as 2024’s “25 to watch” by Dance Magazine and performing as part of the Bessie Award winning cast of Eva Yaa Asantewaa’s The skeleton architecture, the future of our worlds.
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foster (she/they) and j. discuss the experience that sparked foster’s inspiration for Black Intimacy Practice and PLAY CHURCH, delving into the necessity of these spaces for fat Black queer and disabled folks. How does one who is fat Black queer and disabled reclaim access to their body (physically, socially, and spiritually) in a culture that makes it painful to do so? What is play and how do we use that to manifest joy in our practices as we navigate such a hostile culture?
(Recorded: March 5, 2024)
Join j. and foster as they discuss how foster is developing their Black Intimacy Practice to navigate these questions, not only within spaces like PLAY CHURCH, which foster has cultivated, but also in the personal decisions they make in presenting their dance practices.
foster JANAE weems (she/they) is an interdependent-disciplinary artist and a dance artist of the Black improvisational dance universe. In other words, all art forms they practice coexists with the other; their dancing does not exist without their visual art and their musicianship does not exist without their drawing. foster’s work includes that of Black Intimacy Practice (a space for fat Black queer and trans artists) and PLAY CHURCH (a space for Black queer and trans folks in Charlotte, NC).
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How do we gain the confidence to advocate to tour management for the support that we and our co-artists need? How do we grapple with the desire to join and support an organized movement in our community and the reality of financial circumstances? What is HR, what do they actually do, and why do many dance environments not have HR? How do we deal with constantly being under surveillance and unable to truly exercise our freedom of speech during tour contracts, even in instances that are meant to be private?
(Recorded: January 22nd, 2024)
One of our own members of The Twerk Team, Veronica Jiao, joins j. bouey to discuss the management support (or lack of) given to them during tours they have been on, as well as the risks dancers face when they speak out about the abuses they endure on tour.
Veronica Jiao (she/her/hers) is a Filipino-American dancer and administrator, whose work centers on using dance improvisation and writing as a vessel to preserve the Asian-American experience, with the goal of contributing to the dismantling of white supremacist structures. She is a former member of Dance/NYC’s Junior Committee and has appeared on guest episodes on the podcasts The Dance Union and Thomas + Adrianne’s You’re Welcome and contributed to Dance Magazine and In Dance to facilitate discussions centering around equity and inclusion.
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Did you know Makini does taxes?! Well, they certainly do and they have some great advice to share with us on how we can navigate through this tax season and the ones to come.
(Recorded: March 12, 2024)
Makini (jumatatu m. poe)
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Have y’all ever applied for funding and wanted more transparency about what’s going on behind the scenes? Well, Melanie and j. bouey are here to discuss just that from their many experiences around the application and funding processes.
(recorded: August 07, 2023)
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Lee joins Melanie in a conversation to discuss cultivating community after graduate school. It isn't as easy or hard as you'd expect.
(Recorded: March 23, 2023)
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"The Discotheque is where I go to experience unmatched joy and profound sadness". Peter Elizade talks with us about making performance for the club, and the freedoms and challenges supported in that environment.
(Recorded: March 2, 2023)
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Brian Polite joins us to reflect on the evolution of club culture, Dance's impact in shaping the culture, and the fight, of many, to not be washed away in the roaring sands of time.
(Recorded: March 14, 2023)
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Nubian Néné is a Waacking phenom and world-class performer cultivating spaces for Black folks to experience the liberative power of Waacking. She joins us to talk with us about the history of Waacking and her journey with it.
(Recorded: May 23, 2023)
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If you haven't heard of Doorstep Dancemart, we are more than happy to introduce you to one of the most joyful, dance-filled, mutual-aid events that is Doorstep Dancemart! Porshia Derival and Yvonne Chow joined us to reflect on the history of this service and their experience as the lead organizers or Doorstep Dancemart.
(Recorded: March 23, 2023)
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