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  • "I think [leadership] is about influence and the moving of people in a direction, and that's exactly what art does."

    Artist and pastor, Joey Tomassoni of Annapolis, MD joins Lisa in this final conversation in the Wise-Hearted Ones series to talk about artists as leaders in and outside of churches, learning to see and the power of beauty.

    You can see Joey Tomassoni's artwork here: joeytomassoni.com

    And learn more about the Estuary here: estuary.org

    Connect with Joey:

    @estuarycollective @joeytomassoni

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  • "All the creativity, energy, goodness, and joy is there if we just stop trying so hard to be self-sufficient." -Mandy Smith, Pastor, artist and author of the new book: Confessions of an Amateur Saint.

    In this episode, Mandy Smith talks with Lisa and Dan about balancing creativity and leadership, the importance of vulnerability and reliance on God, and the need for authenticity and transparency in spiritual leadership.

    Preorder Mandy Smith's new book "Confessions of an Amateur Saint" which releases in October 2024. Support independent Christian bookstores like "Hearts and Minds" by ordering the book through their website. https://www.heartsandmindsbooks.com/

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    Website: https://thewayistheway.org/
    Instagram: @mandysmithhopes
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  • "I feel like Christians should be the most creative and should have the most profound understanding of the complexity of the human condition."

    The "P" word (prophetic) gets thrown around in this episode of the Be. Make. Do. Podcast.  Mary McCampell, author of Imagining our Neighbors as Ourselves, joins Dan and Lisa for a  conversation on the impact of creative work in shaping our lives and our culture.

    Read Mary's book: Imagining Our Neighbors as Ourselves https://www.amazon.com/Imagining-Our-Neighbors-Ourselves-Empathy/dp/1506473903

    Check out Mary's Substack: https://substack.com/@marymccampbell

    Mary's Website: https://marywmccampbell.com/

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  • Defining success in creative industries can be challenging. Not to mention marketing, sales, and networking. In this episode, Veronica Scarpellino, founder of Goldfinch Leadership talks with Lisa and Dan about how artists can repurpose their creative strengths as tools to take the stress out of doing the business of art.


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    Connect with Veronica:
    Website: https://www.goldfinchleadership.com/
    LinkedIn: @veronicascarpellino

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  • “I think it's important we be free. Because…when we make our art we are leaving evidence in our time of a living God.” -Karen Swenholt, Sculptor.

    In this episode, we breakdown not only why it’s essential to be free of condemnation but how! Karen Swenholt joins Lisa and Dan for an illuminating conversation on what it takes to get free and make what you were created to make.

    In what ways do you need to be freed as an artist? Join the conversation at www.soulmakers.org/bemakedo

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    Website: https://www.karenswenholt.com
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  • In this special episode from the vault, Lisa shares an intimate reflection on George Michael's prophetic song, Praying for Time. Originally recorded 6 years ago (before there even was a Be. Make. Do podcast!), it's shocking to hear how timely and relevant this episode still is. Listen in on the very first time Lisa ever outlined her thoughts on prophetic critics and imaginative visionaries. All inspired by that guy in the short-shorts from Wham!

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    Praying for Time: https://youtu.be/7EXes508wtg

    And in case you're too young to remember Wham!, here you go. Welcome to the '80s!: https://youtu.be/pIgZ7gMze7A

  • For so long art created by Christians has been limited to art for use in church. But have we as believers, especially in the West, undermined God’s true plan and responsibility for artists by keeping the scope of their creativity too narrow?

    In this final episode of Wise-Hearted Ones series, Lisa dives into what is the “ministry of imagination” and how we as artists can be encouraged that God has called us to shape culture and point the world back to Him, our creator and sustainer.

    As we wrap up our Wise-Hearted Ones series, we encourage you to go back and listen to past episodes if you missed any. Be sure to subscribe and follow Be.Make.Do. on Apple, Spotify, Google, or wherever you get your podcasts as we prepare for the next season.

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  • The construction of golden calf is one of the most commonly known Exodus stories.

    Though God had delivered them Egypt, hunger, and thirst, the Israelites chose to place their trust in an idol of their own haphazard making. It’s no accident that this story is told between the calling of the Wise-Hearted Ones and the execution of their work.

    How does art rooted in idolatry differ from God’s design? How does our heart going into the work, and our manner of execution, impact the art we end up making? Host Lisa Smith compares and contrasts these two commissions in this new episode of Be. Make. Do.

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  • Wise-Hearted Ones: 3 Frameworks to Survive and Thrive As An Artist

    Creatives talk a lot about artistic craft, but what about soul craft? How is our work connected to the larger rhythms of our spiritual lives?

    As we see in the Exodus story of the Wise-Hearted Ones, God bestows not only creative knowledge and skill, but frameworks of support to sustain both work and spirit. What are these frameworks and how can we cultivate them? How might they make us better artists and leaders? Lisa Smith breaks down how spiritual formation and community engagement are integral to our creative growth.

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  • Wise-Hearted Ones: Shedding the False Dichotomy with Marlita Hill

    As Christian artists, it’s easy to see our artistic practices as separate from our personal faith. How can we begin to integrate our mediums with our ministry? Are these parts of ourselves so separate after all?

    Joining Lisa this week is Marlita Hill, a choreographer, multi-published author, and 20+ year educator who serves an international audience in the intersection of faith, art, and entrepreneurship. Marlita is the founder of the Kingdom Artist Institute (KAI), a discipleship program for Christian artists building art careers in the marketplace.

    In this conversation, Lisa and Marlita dive deeper into what it means to be wise-hearted, how to wait on God’s timing, and why it doesn’t really matter whether you bloom late or bloom early.

    Connect with Marlita via the KAI mailing list and on Instagram at @iammarlitahill. Also, check out her blog and podcast, The Kingdom Art Life.

    Website: https://marlitahill.com

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  • An Artist Ordained with Lisa Smith

    What if HOW we create is just as important as WHAT we create due to this divine call? Artists selected by God have a high calling — one that requires everything be surrendered to the Maker. Continuing the Wise-Hearted Ones series, Lisa Smith dives into the artistic giftings God gave to master artisans when he ordained them to create the Tabernacle. Take time to consider this self-sacrificial call, filled with joy, freedom, and efficacy, and ponder what that means for us as we seek to bring to life the gifts the Spirit of God has filled us with.

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  • Wise-Hearted Ones: Called By Name. Called By Heart. with Lisa Smith

    What does “wise-hearted” even mean? In this episode, podcast host Lisa Smith unravels a story of divine, artistic collaboration. An unlikely group of craftsmen, wandering the arid desert, are called by name, by God, to build Him a dwelling place called the Tabernacle. The Exodus account details how God specifically calls artists to make use of aesthetics, which make divine messages more tangible. The term “wise-hearted” signifies deep wisdom and skill, and emphasizes the spiritual depth in which artists work. The Tabernacle story dispels myths about artists’ societal role and showcases God’s intention for them to serve as makers.

    How does your creative calling resonate with the Wise-Hearted Ones?
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  • Gathering & Community For Artists with Stephen Roach of Makers & Mystics

    In a special conversation, host Lisa Smith sits down with Stephen Roach, founder of The Breath and The Clay creative arts organization and host of the Makers & Mystics podcast. As a poet, musician, and self-proclaimed “creative instigator,” Stephen takes Lisa through the concept of what it means for artists to be architects of hope.

    The two also dive into the gravity and healing nature of meeting in person with other artists, as Stephen prepares for the 2024 Breath and Clay Creative Arts Gathering in Winston-Salem, North Carolina on March 22-24.

    Learn more about the Breath and Clay Creative Arts Gathering: https://www.thebreathandtheclay.com/

    Listen to the Makers & Mystics podcast: https://www.makersandmystics.com/

    Connect on Instagram: @thebreathandtheclay @makersandmystics

    Connect on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thebreathandtheclay/ https://www.facebook.com/makersandmystics

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  • Wise-Hearted Ones: Building a Purposeful World Through Art with Dr. Elise Edwards

    "The arts are essential; they transform us, allowing access to superpowers we can't reach through linear processes or rational thinking. It's part of God's design for what it means to be human."

    In this episode, Lisa and her guest, Christian Ethicist and architect, Dr. Elise Edwards, delve into the profound impact art and aesthetics have on our lives. Exploring the biblical narrative of Exodus, they discuss how art plays a pivotal role in shaping environments, influencing behavior, and connecting us to a deeper understanding of ourselves.

    Read Dr. Edwards' forthcoming book: Architecture, Theology, and Ethics: Making Architectural Design More Just.

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  • Wise-Hearted Ones: Why Your Art Matters with Deborah Sokolove

    Within the strokes of art, we find whispers of the divine, a symphony of colors echoing the call of the soul.

    In this episode, Lisa Smith, the creative mind behind Convergence Art Initiative, orchestrates a captivating dialogue with her mentor and artistic luminary, Deborah Sokolove, about why art matters

    As the conversation weaves through the challenges artists face in a commercialized world, the duo illuminates the need for intentional engagement with art within the church.

    Interested in Deborah’s Books, get your copy:

    - Sanctifying Art

    - Performing the Gospel

    Check out Deborah's art on her website: https://dsokolove.com/

    Follow Deborah:

    Facebook: @deborahsokolove

    Instagram: @dsyakushiji

    Looking for a church that invites you to be not just a member but an artist in the divine masterpiece, Deborah invites you: seekerschurch.org

    On March 22 - 24, we invite you to join us for The Breath and The Clay 2024, A Creative Arts Gathering in Winston Salem NC. Register now!

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  • Wise-Hearted Ones: A Story in a Story with Jennifer Allen Craft

    An often overlooked section of Exodus has more to teach us about God’s design than we may have ever realized. This is the story of the Wise-Hearted ones, the ones who were called by name and by heart to construct the Tabernacle.

    Author of “Placemaking and the Arts: Cultivating the Christian Life” and Point University Professor Jennifer Allen Craft joins Lisa for the first episode of our new series. Jennifer and Lisa discuss how the story of
    the Tabernacle construction and its artistry is a beautiful story of God
    using design and art to elicit a sense of His presence with us and to
    draw us closer to Him.

    Get Jennifer’s book: https://www.amazon.com/Placemaking-Arts-Cultivating-Christian-Theology/dp/0830850678

    Connect with Jennifer: https://jenniferacraft.com/ 

    Instagram: @jenniferacraft 

    Listen to the BEMA podcast with Marty Solomon: https://www.bemadiscipleship.com/


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  • Why Does it Matter that You Make Art?

    Join us for our newest season of Be. Make. Do. as we explore The Wise-Hearted Ones in the book of Exodus. This time, artists are called by name, filled with the spirit, and charged to lead God's people in an art project of magnificent scope. Discover the original call of the artist and reconsider your creative gifting in light of the wise-hearted ones.

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  • How in the world do I find the time and energy to do what I love? Contribute something positive to the world? Make a living AND be fulfilled as a person and an artist? 

    As creative people, the possibilities really are endless. But if you're smart (and you want to survive), you'll find a method to evaluate your priorities. So you can discern for yourself when to say "yes," and when to say "no." 

    In this episode, Lisa explores how honoring what motivates you will further your goals and help you to be faithful to your calling.

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  • "The most creative people in the world should be those that are empowered by a Spirit beyond our understanding. And yet, the least creativity, the least “good reframing,” is happening by followers of Jesus."

    In this episode, Lisa dives deep with Mark Nelson of 100 Movements Publishing, and co- author of the book, Reframation: Seeing God, People, and Mission through Re-enchanted Frames. Mark sounds the alarm on our "crisis of interpretation" and the essential Christian task of becoming better storytellers.

    Get the book: https://reframationbook.com/

    My Name is Asher Lev: https://www.amazon.com/Name-Asher-Lev-Chaim-Potok/dp/1400031044

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  • What if being an artist of faith is more about WHO YOU ARE and HOW you create than WHAT you make? Too many Christians in the arts are living in a no-win situation. They’re serious about their work, committed in their faith – but feeling disjointed and disconnected. 

    In part three of this series, we’ll consider how to integrate the many pieces of you through the three-fold way of calling. And find clarity, confidence, and freedom to truly become who we were created to be, make what we were created to make and do what we were created to do.

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