Episodes

  • Hayley Sproull is one of New Zealand’s top entertainers and definitely one of the busiest!

    She is co-host on ZM's hugely popular Fletch, Vaughan and Hayley Breakfast Show. She has been co-host of The Great Kiwi Bake Off and more recently the host of comedic current affairs show Have You Been Paying Attention? She plays the lead role in the kiwi sitcom Golden Boy which premiered in 2019.

    A graduate of Toi Whakaari: NZ Drama School, her original passion was for theatre and comedy which lead her to create a number of successful comedy works, including 'Miss Fletcher Sings the Blues', 'Tighty Whiteys', 'Milky Bits', and 'Vanilla Miraka', earning her an array of praise and accolades.

    She has been a writer on many series including Jono and Ben, 7 Days and Funny Girls, with a weekly segment Hayley Bailey featuring on the Jono and Ben show.

    Funny, smart, musical and driven, we were blown away by how good she is at so many different things!



    Show notes | Episode 87 | Hayley Sproull

    1.41: Busy, busy, busy! The busiest woman in the industry

    5.28: Breakfast radio: Pulling the fingers at Jono and Ben every morning

    10.36: A closed circle of friends…except for Sam Sproull: Hayley’s Comet and Talk Teddies

    20.38: Fletch, Vaughan and Hayley

    27.38: Hayley’s Version

    35.15: A look into the early making of Hayley Sproull

    38.51: Creative projects: Miss Fletcher Sings the Blues, You Make Me Feel like a Natural Woman, Tighty Whiteys, and Milky Bits

    44.37: An intensely personal creation: Vanilla Miraka

    54.34: Writing for Jono and Ben and Hayley Bailey

    59.30: A brief look into the world of Hayley Sproull’s DMs

    1.04.59: Moving into prime time: co-hosting The Great Kiwi Bake Off, hosting Have You Been Paying Attention? and acting in Golden Boy

    1.10.23: Have You Been Paying Attention? It’s more than just hold and lean

    1.19.52: Marching chat

    1.29.54: Coaching in Oman

    1.33.35: Bits and pieces: dating Greg Grover from Nova, System of a Lounge, and being a goth girl at high school

    1.38.43: Using her platform to push topics: having PCOS and a Simon Bridges joke on 7 Days that took a turn

    1.41.53: Last words from Steven, Seamus and Hayley

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  • Grant Fox is one of the best to have ever worn the All Blacks no10 jersey and is still regarded as one of the finest goal-kickers of all time.

    He scored 645 points across 46 tests, and played nearly 200 games for Auckland in domestic rugby. He’s been involved in New Zealand rugby for over 40 years as a player, coach, and for the last 10 years as an All Blacks selector. Since retiring from playing in 1993 he’s also been a business owner, a broadcaster, and a dad to Ryan Fox – New Zealand’s top golfer – and daughter Kendall. In the episode Grant shares some really important messages about being present for your kids, as well as an organisation he supports for young men without dads – Big Buddies.

    He enjoyed a 40-year friendship with the late Sir Martin Crowe and opens up on their relationship, as well as thoughts on Sir John Kirwan, touring in the 80s and 90s, the inaugural Rugby World Cup.

    Show notes | Episode 86 | Grant Fox

    1.49: Then and now: an All Blacks squad naming in 1984 v 2022

    4.14: Six steps back, two steps to the side and Auckland bring the Ranfurly Shield to Taupo in 1992

    6.23: On being Ryan Fox’s dad

    11.49: The competitive nature between father and son (interrupted by a phone call from Sir John Kirwan)

    18.00: Grant Fox the caddy

    21.26: A short fuse, a lack of patience, and aversion to technology

    28.10: Some thoughts on parenthood

    35.53: A 40-year friendship with Sir Martin Crowe that started at Auckland Grammar School

    47.09: Grant Fox: This is Your Life

    50.16: A Va’aiga Tuigamala interlude

    52.30: Personal and professional friendships: a Sir John Kirwan case study

    1.00.00: All Blacks tours in the 80s and 90s

    1.03.10: The 1987 Rugby World Cup

    1.09.37: The try that wasn’t against Ireland

    1.13.45: Hard work and goal kicking

    1.16.47: A special relationship with The British and Irish Lions

    1.21.16: “Coaching wasn’t for me”

    1.26.09: The role of an All Blacks selector

    1.38.11: Life outside of rugby

    1.40.33: Last words from Steven, Seamus and Grant



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  • Jono Pryor and Ben Boyce otherwise known as Jono and Ben are one of the most recognisable duos in New Zealand entertainment.

    After starting out as stars in their own right they came together as Jono and Ben a juggernaut of Kiwi comedy that was one of TVs top rating shows for seven years. The show helped launch the career of many of New Zealand’s top comedic acts and their skits and pranks became legendary and live on to this day.

    From Ben starting out on Pulp Sport and Jono on being professionally tortured on “do stuff to Jono Friday’s” they are now the hosts of the breakfast show on The Hits and their broadcast journey has mirrored their life arc with their content maturing as they have.

    There is no ego with these guys despite their success, they are genuine, warm, funny and quick witted, but there’s great depth to them and they touch on very serious, important themes – like asking for help – and being there for your mates in tough times.

    Show notes | Episode 85 | Jono and Ben

    1.50: Not the traditional three-way but a comfortable four-way including sponsors product and beard envy

    2.55: Talkability promotions: Jono’s Sky City marathon

    6.58: Influences on the come up: Marc and Matthew, Sports Café, Eating Media Lunch

    12.56: Old men reminisce about stuff: video stores and the VHS, taping songs off the radio

    15.45: “Show us your crack”: New Zealand’s most famous radio jingle courtesy of Ben

    18.57: Pulp Sport: a YouTube show that made it to Sky Sport

    23.52: The pilot skit that went very wrong for Ben

    29.50: Do stuff to Jono: experiences in commercial radio

    37.57 Jono gets a start in TV on C4

    40.47: The making of Jono and Ben

    47.28: Moving from late-night Friday TV to prime time

    49.30: The cast of characters on and off screen 52.37 A review of some of the best skits: the most destructive prank ever, Jono at Blues training, House covered in Post it notes

    1.01.00: Using your platform to speak about important issues

    1.06.08: The evolution of Jono and Ben and the stresses of working together

    1.13.29: The end of Jono and Ben

    1.16.56: A brief history of radio: from The Rock, to The Edge, to The Hits

    1.17.40: Creating content: the rise of viral videos, TikTok 1.20.09 A Guy Williams skit gets awkward and their appearance on the Graham Norton Show 1.24.05 Trying to stand out while interviewing celebrities: Jared Leto, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Dwayne Johnson

    1.30.54: Breakfast on The Hits and what the future holds

    1.34.36: Last words from Steven, Seamus and Jono and Ben

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  • In this episode we’re rewinding the clock one year to June 2021, when we sat down with All Whites legend Ryan Nelsen. 
     
    I remember this as a breakthrough episode for us. It was our 50th podcast, our biggest guest and we were both really anxious about getting it right.  
     
    And Ryan couldn’t have been a better guest. Across nearly two hours he shared all the best bits of his life and career – and we’re really proud of how it turned out. 
     
    We talk about all the best stories from his seven years at Blackburn, his frustrations with the All Whites in 2010, what it was like playing with Tugay, Gareth Bale, Luka Modric, Harry Kane - and against Henry and Bergkamp, Ronaldinho and Neymar - the time he hit on Chelsea Clinton at Stanford and so, so many other cracking yarns from an incredible career.   

    Nelsen is a natural leader and this episode provides a pretty revealing picutre of why he was made captain of nearly every team he has played for. 

    Show notes:

    2.20: Thursday night in Washington DC with Ryan, laying the blueprint for Steven at US College, and impressions of Seamus on the Olympic tour in 2012

    8.26: Reflections on two Olympic Games: playing Brazil, Egypt and Mo Salah, the run-in with Dakota Lucas, and the cheeseburger challenge between Roland Jeffery and Seamus

    19.00: We go back to Christchurch and the cricket career that could have been had it not been for a dodgy knee

    23.38: The US experience: Stanford, MVP, All American, 'pulling the moves' on Chelsea Clinton, Tiger Woods in the medical centre, going #4 in the MLS draft, DC United, failures and lessons learnt

    31.37: Heading to the UK: From “you’re not good enough” at Charlton Athletic and being on trial at Blackburn Rovers to the FA Cup semi-final within six months

    38.42: Attracting the interest of Manchester United: What does that really look like?

    41.23: Some of the characters at Blackburn Rovers: Tugay and his ciggies

    45.44: A Cole Tinkler and Raj Naidu interlude

    46.55: Back to Blackburn Rovers characters: Chris Samba defender turned striker, Mark Hughes at training, and Robbie Fowler sneaking in

    51.54: Chris Wood and his incredible achievements in the English Premier League

    54.37: The Burnley and Blackburn Rovers rivalry: pitch invasions, police, tribalism and hooligans

    57.00: Ryan finds out he was named by fans in Blackburn Rovers’ greatest ever XI, the Venky's chicken ad and fighting El Hadji Diouf in the dressing room

    1.01.48: Losing 1-7 to Manchester United: going after Sam Allardyce at halftime, and Dimitar Berbatov scoring five in the process

    1.04.23: Toughest opponents: marking Thierry Henry and Dennis Bergkamp in their prime

    1.06.33: A sad end after seven years at Blackburn Rovers and the eventual move to Tottenham with Gareth Bale, Luka Modric and a young Harry Kane

    1.13.49: "I don’t want to be here": QPR and Ryan’s eventual retirement and transition into management

    1.18.16: Leaving everything on the pitch with the All Whites at the 2010 FIFA World Cup and the pressures of club v country

    1.25.27: Behind the scenes of the World Cup in South Africa: battles with NZ Football, the drain of the World Cup and the challenges after the tournament

    1.38.05: Toronto FC and the end of the coaching journey

    1.41.42: Moving off the pitch and on the line with .rugby and .basketball

    1.44.54: Terrible haircuts at the Confederations Cup in 1999 and never being able to drink tequila again after a big night with Kris Bouckenhooge, RN Wines, and player representation

    1.48.55: Last words: The Bob Smith Memorial Trophy, and rescuing Ryan’s boots from the rubbish bin at the Olympic Games

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  • Blair Tuke is one of New Zealand’s most successful and best sportsmen. He’s won an Olympic gold medal and two silvers, two America’s Cup titles, six 49er World Championships and with teammate Peter Burling, was named NZ sports team of the year in 2017. 
     
    In this episode we talk about his dubious hole-in-one on a par four in Arrowtown, why Tana Umaga, Christian Cullen and Dom Harvey stayed at his house when he was 10, the brutal realities of the round-the-world Ocean race - working four hours on four hours off for 23 days - how and why he won 28 regattas in a row in the 49er with Pete, the best stories from the Olympics, the journey to the top of Team NZ, his marital status, and so much more. 

    This was a really cool one. We'd never met Blair before this, but he came bouncing into the studios with the most upbeat, positive, fun attitude, and really gave us everything with his thoughtful answers and willingness to share. It was one of those chats where the time just flew by. 
     
    A huge thanks to everyone supporting the show on Patreon, if you want to chip in for the cost of a cup of coffee a month, head to BetweenTwoBeers.com 

    Show notes | Episode 84 | Blair Tuke

    1.45: The Bermuda Triangle, quicksand, and spontaneous human combustion

    4.40: When Christian Cullen, Tana Umaga, and Dom Harvey turned up for the Christmas Holidays

    9.03: A hole in one on a par four in Arrowtown

    12.54: The Ocean Race – a deep dive into sailing’s greatest round-the-world challenge

    30.51: Establishing the Live Ocean Foundation

    36.15: The open ocean and the risks involved: the loss of John Fisher in the Southern Ocean

    41.20: Life on board: paying respects to King Neptune

    45.02: The dramatic finish of The Ocean Race in 2018

    50.28: Seamus’ series of curious questions on The Ocean Race

    56.33: Falling in love with the ocean on a trip to Fiji and moving through the sailing ranks

    1.00.49: Linking up with Peter Burling and the first Olympic Games experience in London

    1.09.24: The remarkable run between London 2012 and Rio de Janeiro 2016

    1.17.26: Carrying the flag and winning Gold at Rio

    1.21.05: Silver at Tokyo

    1.26.49: The America’s Cup: memories of past campaigns and getting the call-up

    1.30.57: Winning in Bermuda and defending in New Zealand

    1.37.31: The popularity of the America’s Cup

    1.44.06 The ins and outs of Sail GP

    1.50.11 What the future holds for Blair Tuke

    1.54.31 Last words from Steven, Seamus and Blair

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  • Susan Devoy is one of New Zealand’s greatest-ever sportswomen and was the world’s top-ranked squash player from 1983 until 1992, winning eight British Open women’s titles and four World Opens. In retirement, she was knighted aged 34, the youngest Kiwi to achieve the honour since Sir Edmund Hilary. Then after gaining 20 years of experience in a number of roles, Devoy served as New Zealand race relations commissioner from 2013-2018.

    In this episode we talk about dropping out of school for squash, the bumpy path to No1 in the world, the realities of having four kids under five, why she retired early, her embarrassing encounter with Bill Clinton, fundraising $500,000 in 1988 with a 2500 mile walk, the death-threats and abuse she suffered in the race relations role and why she’d never do it again, her issues with High-Performance Sport NZ and much, much more.
     
    This one was an epic. Devoy has packed so much into her life and was incredibly open about all the highs and lows along the way. She also has a lot to still give, and in the second half you’ll hear the passion is still there to make change. We loved this chat, and know you will to.

    Show notes | Episode 83 | Dame Susan Devoy

    1.52 Dame Susie D

    8.55 Squash battles between Susan and husband John

    13.59 The Devoy and Oakley families give willingly to the B2B research team

    18.49 A mum of four boys: Julian, Alex, Josh, and Jamie

    29.54 Running 3km before and after training at age 10

    35.15 Creating an elite athlete: the youngest sibling from a small town

    38.15 Leaving school at 17 to pursue a professional squash career

    47.49 The realities of being an overseas athlete in the 1980s

    50.45 Winning the first British Open at age 20 and her public profile at the peak of her powers

    55.51 Dame Susan and the Rosebowl Trophy

    58.15 Staying at the top of the game and the fear of failure

    1.04.10 The reasons behind deciding to retire at the peak of her powers

    1.14.00 The walk for muscular dystrophy in 1988 that raised $500,000

    1.19.55 Becoming the Race Relations Commissioner

    1.28.33 The worst parts of the job and learnings from five years in the role

    1.34.11 Racism in New Zealand

    1.38.53 Would Susan do the role again knowing what she knows now?

    1.40.47 Thoughts on high performance sport in New Zealand

    1.47.28 A few celebrity interactions: Bill Clinton, Nelson Mandela, Sir Edmund Hilary

    1.52.06 Last words from Steven, Seamus and Susan

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  • Dom was one of New Zealand’s most popular breakfast radio hosts from 2001 to 2021. He’s won the Sir Paul Holmes Award for NZ Broadcaster of the Year, written three best-selling books and has turned his passion for running into a new podcast called 'Runners Only With Dom Harvey'. 
     
    In this episode we talk about why he walked away from the Edge after 20 years to focus on his mental health, and what that really means, what his future looks like and what his ambitions are with his podcast, the complexities of working and living with his ex-wife JJ, his difficult IVF journey, the best and worst parts of working on the Edge and his Tom Cruise prank that had a sour twist. 

    JJ described Dom as a sensitive soul, who used his radio persona to mask that sensitivity. And we got the real Dom here. There were some emotional patches in this ep where Dom opened up on the struggles of his IVF journey, and we’re grateful he was comfortable enough to share. Dom is great company and a brilliant broadcasting talent – this was a super entertaining chat. 

    Show notes | Episode 82 | Dom Harvey

    1.41 Dom gets flustered meeting his heroes

    2.58 The art of the podcast and learning the craft

    7.23 Running five marathons in five days for Ka'iulani Forbes

    11.17 Self-sabotage and imposter syndrome

    16.15 Basing himself on Howard Stern, and remembering Two Strangers and a Wedding

    21.37 Back to the start of the radio journey in Palmerston North and a weird interlude about Kids Songs

    27.39 The making of Jay-Jay and Dom

    30.51 The complexities of working and living with your wife

    35.01 Breakfast radio interviews and on-air pranks

    43.09 “Doing a Meg”: Building new on-air relationships post Jay-Jay

    45.32 Audiences and listener numbers

    50.30 Leaving radio after 30 years

    57.17 The tumour that led to the fertility issues

    1.03.10 Making peace with not having children

    1.09.16 How is life out of radio?

    1.11.20 Running chat: sub-three hour marathons and revisiting the Kipchoge Challenge

    1.16.00 What the future holds?

    1.18.02 Last words from Steven, Seamus and Dom

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  • On this episode we’re re-winding the clock nearly two years to September 23, 2020, when we sat down with Alternative Commentary Collective boss Mike Lane. 
     
    Lane was Between Two Beers’ first big ‘get’. Up untill then, we’d been a relatively niche football podcast, but this chat inspired us to broaden our outlook. Lane is a world-class storyteller and this was one of our most memorable episodes.
     
    In it we talk about the worst things the ACC have said on air, what it was like managing Matt Heath, Jeremy Wells, Leigh Hart and Jason Hoyte, what really happened when the ICC booted Lane’s commentary team from the Cricket World Cup, battling and beating cancer, men’s mental health and the future of sports broadcasting in New Zealand. 

    Show notes:

    2.04 How Seamus and Steve know Mike

    3.43 Carol from Waldronville complains about an Alternative Commentary Collective story during the Lions tour

    11.02 What’s the worst thing ever said during an ACC broadcast?

    17.00 When the ACC had their media accreditation removed by the ICC during the cricket world cup

    27.35 A few tales from the ACC

    46.48 Creating a lexicon of terms, players nicknames, dealing with public recognition and the horrendous stories punters share

    56.30 Back to St Paul’s with Dan Vettori and Jeremy Wells

    1.07.07 The Beige Brigade

    1.25.08 Working in Abu Dhabi: Formula 1, the FIFA Club World Cup, and Snoop Dogg (with a great interlude about Paul the Saffa and FIFA HQ)

    1.44.45 Mike Lane’s one in million cancer battle

    1.55.06 No Talk Day and men’s mental health

    2.02.50 What is the future for the ACC and for broadcasting in general?

    2.10.25 Radio Hauraki: Managing Jeremy Wells and Matt Heath v Leigh Hart and Jason Hoyte

    2.13.32 Sue Lane

    2.16.55 Last bits and pieces: Are the WAGs friends with each other? Media influences growing up? Champagne Rugby, and do you trim your downstairs?






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  • Mark Richardson was a test batsman, who has gone on to become one of New Zealand’s most sought-after broadcasters. 
     
    He’s one of New Zealand’s best cricket commentators who's also been a host of the Crowd Goes Wild, Radio Sport breakfast, the Block, the AM Show and The Project. 
     
    In this episode we talk about dealing with fame, arguing with Jacinda Ardern on live TV, his grumpy man persona on the Crowd Goes Wild, the full story of *that* viral video where Stephen Fleming 'abuses' him, his slowest-loser running races after tests, his over-the-top celebration after taking his first, and only, test wicket, the realities of working on Breakfast TV, if he believes everything he says and much, much more.   

    This was a lot of fun and we had a ton of laughs across this one. Mark is such a complex, interesting, entertaining character and I hope we were able to showcase some of the ‘real’ Mark Richardson here. 

    Show notes | Episode 81 | Mark Richardson

    1.28 Is Mark Richardson a podcast guy?

    2.30 The time he and Grant Elliott nearly got beaten up on a golf course in Queenstown

    8.20 The slowest man races

    13.19 The Crowd Goes Wild

    23.37 THAT interview with Stephen Fleming

    31.02 Charting the broadcast journey: From CGW to The Block

    39.11 The AM Show

    49.51 Breakfast broadcasting and the work / life balance

    53.56 “The best seat in the house”: watching Duncan Garner at work

    55.51 Dealing with fame

    58.32 What happened to the bowling?

    1.02.22 The transformation into an opening test bat with help from Lance Cairns

    1.11.28 Taking the wicket of Yousuf Youhana at 552/7

    1.16.04 The cramp in India

    1.21.28 Catching Shane Warne for 99 at the MCG

    1.28.48 The mental strain of being Mark Richardson the international cricketer

    1.31.57 Mark Richardson the cricket commentator

    1.39.55 Facing express pace

    1.46.22 Scoring a hundred at Lords

    1.50.24 Emotion

    1.52.06 Last words from Steven, Seamus and Mark

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  • On this episode of Between Two Beers we talk to Chris Cairns. 
     
    Chris is one of the best cricketers NZ has produced. A powerful, big-hitting batter who could bowl as well as he could bat. For 15-years, Chris was an ever-present in living rooms across New Zealand smashing sixes and taking wickets on TV – a sporting hero. 
     
    But on the 19th of May, 2014 it was revealed Chris was under investigation for match-fixing allegations, and his life has never been the same. In 2015 he was acquitted of charges of perjury and perverting the course of justice after an eight-week trial in London's High Court and in his words “dug a hole in Australia, disappeared from the spotlight and got on with life”. 
     
    Then in August of last year he suffered a heart attack. He underwent four open-heart surgeries and had a spinal stroke, which left him wheelchair-bound and paralysed in his legs. Then in February he revealed he had been diagnosed with bowel cancer. 
     
    it’s been a hell of a ride. 
     
    In this episode we talk about why his brush with death has changed his perspective on life, and why he’s now open to talking about his trial, and things he wouldn’t have in the past, how he mentally coped with two months of hell in London, how it felt to have former teammates testifying against him, If he regretted suing Lalit Modhi, the realities of living with paralysis, what it was like growing up with Lance and what the future looks like. 
     
    This convo covered some pretty heavy areas, and a word of warning, there are a few graphic, raw descriptions of his health battle early in the ep. Chris’ life has been a real rollercoaster, and we’re grateful he felt comfortable and open enough to share so much of it in great detail. 

    Show notes | Episode 80 | Chris Cairns

    2.06: A day in life of Chris Cairns

    5.41: How the cochlear implant changed communication with Lance Cairns

    11.43: Aortic dissection and spinal stroke

    18.22: Waking up to the reality of being paralysed and reflecting on life after the injury

    25.41: Bowel cancer

    33.25: Mental resilience, choice, and purpose

    35.41: Looking ahead: getting back into work

    36.58: Looking back: Cairns Fudge

    40.20: London High Court in 2015, the mental toll of a two-month trial

    43.57: Waiting for the verdict and the experience of sitting in the dock

    50.33: Reflecting on the role of former teammates and the trial

    53.25: The end of the commentary career

    57.09: His friendship with Dion Nash (and Pilates)

    59.42: Telling the story with detail: A book on the horizon?

    1.00.53: Going back to the tweet from Lalit Modi

    1.04.22: The transition from “son of” to New Zealand international

    1.11.39: When did you realise you would be an international cricketer?

    1.14.12: A man child?

    1.16.03: Behind the scenes of the Young Guns

    1.18.33: A look into the future and is Isabel Cairns a future tennis star?

    1.23.25: A dad with a forgotten cricket career: T20 beige kits and a bowl-off with the West Indies

    1.26.28: Cricket Max and Beach Cricket

    1.30.27: Medical professionals

    1.32.36: Rehab and explaining things in layman’s terms

    1.34.55: Last words from Steven, Seamus and Chris

     

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  • Jack is one of the most talented people we’ve met. He was described to us by one of his colleagues as journalism’s Swiss Army Knife – a guy that does it all.

    He’s been a Breakfast host, a 6pm newsreader, he hosts one of NZ’s biggest radio shows on Newstalk ZB, is a columnist for the NZ Herald, has moderated live election debates, now hosts TVNZ’s Q and A and has seen more, and experienced more of the world – than any 35-year-old we know. 

    In this episode we talk about how he was given Paul Holmes’ radio job on ZB at the age of 25 with no radio experience, *That* interview with Winston Peters where Jack was called James – about 10 times, the time he was recording live TV while fearing for his father's life, dancing with Beyonce, going to a Les Mills grit class with Lorde, flirting with Ann Hathaway, covering Trump, why he left Breakfast TV, the things you don’t know about Mike Hosking and so much more. 

    Jack is such a slick operator, it made this chat so much fun. This was one of our favs, I know you’ll enjoy it. 

    Show notes | Episode 79 | Jack Tame

    2.50: Steven’s embarrassing correspondence with Jack Tame and a deep dive in some Worldle chat

    8.51: Jack on the Late Night Big Breakfast: communication with Leigh Hart and the genius of Jason Hoyte

    14.66: Les Mills workouts with Lorde, public recognition, Paddy Gower and John Campbell

    19.55 Taking over from Paul Holmes on the Newstalk ZB Saturday morning show from the USA

    30.14 Reflections on Paul Holmes and the brilliance of Mike Hosking

    37.15 How do you judge your success? Ratings and validation

    39.36 Back to the start: the makings of Jack Tame

    43.35 Jack’s dad goes missing in the bush

    52.45 Winston Peters v James Tame

    57.22 Q+A: the art of active listening and the work behind the camera

    1.08.46 Starting out on One News while still at school

    1.11.28 Reflections on being the US Correspondent for TVNZ

    1.20.54 US politics broken down by Jack Tame

    1.27.30 Interactions with celebrities: flirting with Miley Cyrus and Anne Hathaway

    1.33.02 Red wine with Sir David Attenborough

    1.37.24 Seven continents

    1.39.41 The gruelling nature of Breakfast television

    1.46.02 Work / life balance and the future of media

    1.51.24 Marshawn Lynch and the Steven Adams come up

    1.55.05 A star-studded nightclub in New York

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  • Josh is an All Blacks legend who played at two Rugby World Cups across 54 games for the All Blacks and was a cult hero in Dunedin, where he played over 100 games for Otago and the Highlanders. 

    In this episode we talk about surfing with Tom Robinson, destroying his downstairs operation on the Crowd Goes Wild, what it was really like to play with and against Jonah, how he avoided food poisoning at the 95 World Cup, what it was like playing in NZ’s first Super Rugby season, why schoolboy rugby is better than All Blacks rugby, how he won consecutive seasons of Celebrity Treasure Island and much, much more. 
     
    Josh is not your average rugby player. He’s a trained physio, he surfs, he paints, he’s a reporter for Crowd Goes Wild, he restores Classic Cars, he’s a family man, and a deep thinker. 

    There was so much to talk about with Josh – and as he said at the end after nearly two hours – we barely scratched the surface! You’ll enjoy this one. 

    Show notes | Episode 78 | Josh Kronfeld

    1.38: Surfing, “Back Yourself”, and “digging like a demented mole” on Jonah Lomu Rugby

    6.01: The third ugliest man at the 1999 Rugby World Cup

    7.55: Injuring his downstairs operation in preparation for an interview with Mahe Drysdale

    16.33: The Crowd Goes Wild

    20.55: Growing up in Hastings and the importance of schoolboy rugby

    29.23: From 88kg to 100kg

    35.00: Otago: rugby, beating the Lions, court sessions, the supporters club, and the University of Otago experience

    48.52: From amateur to professional rugby

    1.01.08: The 1995 Rugby World Cup in South Africa

    1.05.50: Meeting Nelson Mandela

    1.08.59: A Jonah Lomu interlude

    1.14.44: Playing for money at Leicester Tigers

    1.18.40: Injuries over the years

    1.22.55: No nukes in my backyard

    1.28.26: Retiring from rugby and travelling for a year across the USA and South America

    1.35.48: Going back to the University of Otago as a 33-year-old ex-All Black

    1.38.57: Celebrity Treasure Island

    1.48.48: Would Josh ever consider being a team physio?

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  • Ryan Fox is one of NZ’s best golfers and has won two European Tour titles and has 13 professional wins. 
     
    In this episode we talk about how he celebrated his recent win in the Ras Al Khaimah Classic and what happens to the $500,000 dollar prize money, what it was like playing a hole with Tiger Woods – and we hear all his best Tiger stories, memories of his late, great mate Shane Warne, how Steve Hansen’s advice helped him out of a funk, what makes Steve Williams such a good caddy and how his upbringing, surrounded by Kiwi sporting royalty, shaped his life. 

    Show notes | Episode 77 | Ryan Fox

    1.29: Back in the ACC studios, a Covid test fail from Seamus, and Ryan tells us about fishing and golfing at The Fox with Eric Murray, Neil Wagner, and Wayne Smith

    7.30: Ryan Fox on Shane Warne

    17.28: Pro-am golf: friendly bets, banter, being outdriven by Martin Guptill, running it close with Tim Henman

    21.48: Sleeping on a six-shot lead at the Ras Al Khaimah Classic

    29.56: The aftermath of the win at the Ras al Khaimah Classic

    41.34: A breakdown of costs on the golf tour

    47.11: Learning from Steve Williams and stories on Tiger Woods

    55.06: A practice hole with Tiger in 2019

    1.01.16: The difference between the top 10 in the world and the rest

    1.02.51: Riding the wave of a win and chats with Steve Hansen and Sir John Kirwan

    1.07.46: Rubbing shoulders with ex-All Blacks and ex-pro golfers and getting recognised in public

    1.10.12: Memories of Grant Fox the All Black and Merv Wallace the cricketer

    1.19.12: Falling in love with golf and turning it into a professional career

    1.25.20: Are golfers weird guys?

    1.27.26: The Saudi Arabia project with Greg Norman

    1.29.44: Some long drive chat

    1.34.38: Ryan’s relationship with golf in New Zealand

    1.38.19: Quick fire golf chat: double Albatross, meltdowns, a hole-in-three, hardest shots, best foursome

    1.43.45: Last words from Steven, Seamus and Ryan

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  • Chloe’s story tests the limits of human endurance, and it may stretch your appreciation of what the human body and mind can achieve. 
     
    She is probably the greatest ultra-marathon swimmer in history, and holds world records for the longest non-stop swim (124 km, 42 hours) and the most crossings of the English Channel (44). 



    In this episode we talk about where her mental strength comes from, where her mind goes mid-swim - during the dark times, how she deals with shark danger, the time she nearly died 17 hours into a world record attempt, the time she had to abort a swim due to jellyfish stings, the mental anguish of swimming for 42 hours and what it does to the body and mind and so many other incredible stories. 

    Chloe might be the toughest athlete we’ve talked to on this pod. The mental strengh it takes to do what she has done is inspiring – and makes you question the limitations you’ve put on yourself.. And shes so articulate at relaying her thinking at every step of the journey. I know you’ll enjoy this one. 



    Show notes | Episode 76 | Chloë McCardel

    1.52: Seamus reveals his rules around water and his fear of the ocean

    4.04: Setting the scene: “I wanted to be the best in the world at something”

    8.27:Steven’s swimming journey towards a 10km open water swim

    11.45: Chloë on mental strength, your purpose, and finding your calling

    13.33: The English Channel

    23.51: Signing Steven up to the England to Belgium Relay Swim

    26.33: Coaching athletes to open water swimming

    30.07: Breaking down the mechanics of an ultra-marathon swim

    35.04: The importance of the support crew

    38.07: The failed triple crossing attempt in 2011: 30 minutes from death

    43.12: Shark chat

    47.34: The Cuba to USA 160km swim attempt

    51.11: The 124km world record unassisted open water swim

    59.25: Could you do further?

    1.02.50: Media exposure and external support for the challenges 1.05.07 Do you learn more from success or failure?

    1.07.02: Using her platform to raise awareness on domestic abuse

    1.09.51: Mental strength v physical strength

    1.14.28: Thoughts on “being the best in world at something”

    1.17.05: Weird things seen in the ocean while open water swimming

    1.21.00: Last words from Steven, Seamus and Chloë

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  • In this episode, we talk about how Dion met his wife, Former Silver Fern captain Bernice Mene, opening the bowling with Jeff Wilson in Otago, what really happened when Dion, Stephen Fleming and Matt Hart got suspended for smoking pot in South Africa, how he stumbled into a high-profile corporate career soon after retiring from cricket, and the lessons he’s learned along the way. 

    Show notes | Episode 75 | Dion Nash

    1.42 Between two whiskies, and some grooming chat in the Triumph & Disaster headquarters

    3.39 A re-visit of the White Line Fever podcast with David Higgins and Shane Cameron and some ND cricket BJ Watling age group reminiscing

    7.01 The evolution of Dion Nash: from cricket to business

    11.50 Growing up in Dargaville

    18.07 The foundation of success: marriage to Bernice Mene

    26.37 A Jeff Wilson interlude

    32.41 From Auckland Grammar to Otago Uni to the Young Guns

    42.39 Lords (56, 6/76 & 5/93)

    47.04 Injury

    53.24 South Africa 1995

    1.09.27 Gilbert Enoka and Pilates

    1.19.16 The end of his cricket career and the creation of the Cricket Players Association

    1.30.15 Transitioning into a corporate career with 42below

    1.41.50 Establishing Triumph & Disaster

    1.53.34 Comparing the business career to the cricket career

    1.56.14 Last words from Steven, Seamus and Dion

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  • We talk to PJ about why she walked away from radio at the top of her game, what she’s planning next, her relationship with former co-host Jase – and the realities of breakfast radio, and we document Seamus’ rough run attempting to slide into PJ’s Instagram DMs from years ago.

    Show notes | Episode 74 | Polly Harding

    1.28 The journey from Melbourne to Masterton (or Mount Bruce)

    6.40 PJ or Polly? And baby Campbell on the way

    9.26 Polly lights up Seamus and his rough run attempting to slide into her Instagram DMs from years ago

    18.55 Jase Hawkins and Producer Alex on PJ – including the time she shat on the bedroom floor

    22.02 How much of yourself can you share on air?

    28.31 Back to the start of the journey: becoming a station voice, starting on ZM, dealing with imposter syndrome, and finding her on-air personality

    33.37 “An arranged marriage”: the origins of Jase and PJ

    40.50 Australia comes calling

    49.42 Authenticity and relatability: is any of it an act?

    52.16 The realities of working breakfast radio and the impact on normal life

    55.46 Leaving Jase and PJ and the decision to come home

    1.05.51 Contrasting lifestyles: living off the grid v an Instagram account of over 100 thousand followers

    1.10.34 Celebrities: charity boxing, sliding into DMs, intimidating interviews

    1.16.56 Radio stunts, getting married on air, and First Dates NZ

    1.20.33 Last words from Steven, Seamus and PJ

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  • Last week we flew to Gisborne (Thanks to Air New Zealand’s Grabaseat) to talk to Lance Cairns about his incredible life. In the first 30 minutes we’d heard stories about Don Bradman, Johnny Cash and the Queen!

    It was a conversation that wouldn’t have been possible for nearly 50 years due to his hearing impairment, but thanks to his cochlear implant – we had an afternoon we won’t ever forget

    Show notes | Episode 73 | Lance Cairns > Final

    2.03 “Welcome to what?!”

    3.25 Pearls of wisdom from Lance Cairns

    6.31 50 years of hearing impairment

    12.04 Cochlear implant: A life changing experience

    17.48 Six sixes at the MCG

    23.30 Jeremy Coney and the new guitar, Sir Ian Botham, Sir Elton John, and Johnny Cash

    29.46 Growing up in Picton: the unlikely cricketer and a brush with death at the age of 9

    36.48 Cricket chat: coaching, bowling workload, and playing senior cricket at a young age

    42.56 Working and playing international cricket

    44.23 Facing the fastest bowlers in the world

    48.25 A unique batting style that masked an incredible bowling career

    53.22 Glenn Turner and the end of a career

    54.09 Back to school: cricket, wagging and getting the cane

    58.45 The loss of two children – Hayden and Louise

    1.07.00 Christopher Cairns: the young cricketer

    1.14.04 The relationship with Christopher Cairns

    1.18.37 Cairns, Hadlee, Wright, Boock: an impressive golf foursome

    1.21.07 Last words from Steven, Seamus and Lance

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  • In this episode with Kieran Read we talk about Richie McCaw’s engine, getting bounced by Shane Bond, the secret sauce of great leadership, what happened in that Ireland haka, and why he choked out Richie Mo’unga when he met him for the first time at Owen Franks’ wedding.

    Show notes | Episode 72 | Kieran Read

    2.02: Running a Hotmail operation in 2022, trail running, weight loss, and a regular day in Kieran Read’s life post All Blacks career

    7.32: Kieran Read: not what you’d expect

    9.34: The Black Clash: “This is your greatest achievement on the sporting field”

    15.18: A cricket prodigy with BJ Watling and Anton Devcich

    21.19: Kieran Read v Richie Mo’unga at Owen Franks’ wedding

    28.16: Growing up in Counties Manukau: Joeli Vidiri, playing for the Steelers, Rosehill College and Wesley College

    40.33: The foundations of leadership: connection, authenticity, accountability

    47.30: All or Nothing: behind the scenes of the Amazon Prime documentary

    51.57: Taking over the All Blacks captaincy

    54.33: Kieran Read on Richie McCaw

    1.00.40: Vulnerability and using your platform to push positive messages

    1.07.21: Dealing with injuries and having the will to play through and recover

    1.11.21: Another Richie McCaw interlude

    1.14.35: Rehabilitation from head injury (Vestibular Rehabilitation Treatment)

    1.19.23: The sensitivities of talking about head injury in the current climate

    1.22.40: The 2019 World Cup in Japan

    1.30.09: The haka: how or who makes the call between Ka Mate and Kapa o Ponga?

    1.36.01 kieranread.co.nz

    1.38.50: Matt Heath, the Alternative Commentary Collective

    1.40.14: Last words from Steven, Seamus and Kieran

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  • This episode originally aired on Nov 24, 2020. The first thing that struck us about meeting Eric for the first time was his approachability. He had a beer in hand, a huge smile and welcomed us into his home like old friends – excited to share his best stories. 

    The second was his size. The guy is a giant and when you combine that raw power with an insane aerobic ticker, you can start to understand how he won 8 World Championships, 2 Olympic golds and 69 races undedeated in the Kiwi pair with Hamish Bond. 
     
    But the ep was a blast – and for the new fans we’ve collected over the last 18 months – worthy of your time. It's packed with unbelievable stories from two decades at the very top of high-performance sport. 

    We talk about fighting Manu Vatuvei in the 2012 Fight for Life, competing in a TV show to find NZ’s toughest man, nights out in Switzerland – including the time he wrestled a swan into a pub, the infamous meeting when Dick Tonks blew his lid at the Kiwi Pair, and how having a son with autism changed him. 

    Listen on iheart or wherever you get your podcasts from, a huge thanks to those donating to the cause on Patreon... visit www.betweentwobeers.com to help support the show. 

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  • Toby is the king of music festivals in NZ. He’s a shareholder and former director of Rythym and Vines, who has more recently tasted success organising Bay Dreams, Le Currents and Plane Sailing, while touring some of the world's biggest artists from Bryan Adams to Snoop Dogg. Basically, he’s seen it all and done it all in the NZ music scene. 
     
    In this episode we talk about the stressful early days of Rhythm and Vines and BW Campgrounds, how he helped to put Gisborne on the international music map, how he created an ‘Endless Summer’ for 15 years, splitting his time between NZ and LA, the famous faces he met along the way, including Joe Rogan, Paris Hilton, Kelly Slater and Freddie Roach, why he’s gone to Coachella 11 times, his success with Bay Dreams and Cardi B’s outrageous request when he booked her to play in Nelson. 

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