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In this week's episode, Imogen Saunders talks to trade policy expert and author Dmitry Grozoubinski about President Trump's tariff policy. (If policy is not to strong a word.) K-Pop and Dungeons and Dragons may also rate a mention.Recommendations:Dmitry Grozoubinski, ‘Why Politicians Lie About Trade…’: https://www.amazon.com.au/Why-Politicians-Lie-About-Trade/dp/1914487117If books could kill: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/if-books-could-kill/id1651876897; https://open.spotify.com/show/2khJBoF73ujIATWUFtSxLD#loginImogen Saunders: Populism, Backlash and the Ongoing Use of the World Trade Organization Dispute Settlement System: State Responses to the Appellate Body Crisis (for a history of the AB crisis): https://digitalcommons.law.umaryland.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1710&context=mjilMusic: Sam Barsh, Oils of Au Lait
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Book event! This week Ntina Tzouvala discusses queer encounters and queer engagements with international law with editors and authors Claerwen O'Hara and regular co-host Tamsin Phillipa Paige.
In this episode, we explore what queer theory can teach us about international law — not just in relation to sexuality and gender, but as a tool for rethinking how law understands power, normativity, and difference. The panel discuss how queer approaches challenge the taken-for-granted assumptions and provide a lens for scholars, activists, and anyone seeking to reimagine justice on a global scale.
Recommendations include:
Claerwen O'Hara and Tamsin Phillipa Paige (eds), Queer Engagements with International Law: Times, Spaces, Imaginings (2025)
https://www.routledge.com/Queer-Engagements-with-International-Law-Times-Spaces-Imaginings/OHara-Paige/p/book/9781032643229?srsltid=AfmBOopQ4BhJS8P5Sx0fkcZD4pz8XBIKCnEWp3DdMOjq0yHVENZL6Q7N
Claerwen O'Hara and Tamsin Phillipa Paige (eds), Queer Encounters with International Law: Lives, Communities, Subjectivities (2025)
https://www.routledge.com/Queer-Encounters-with-International-Law-Lives-Communities-Subjectivities/Paige-OHara/p/book/9781032643045?srsltid=AfmBOoqkHSdqyc4fQ48xhySmAdAE7aKg2Z4HYo8-FUMhjqI1qR__R7Pw
Dianne Otto (ed), Queering International Law: Possibilities, Alliances, Complicities, Risks (2018)
https://www.routledge.com/Queering-International-Law-Possibilities-Alliances-Complicities-Risks/Otto/p/book/9780367886370?srsltid=AfmBOorTJz0gAv0KP37mUXtHaOImyhKk1eP-kKI5Vp-BBqnEgjjLm5oc
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This week we have another instalment in our "what everyone gets wrong about ..." classic cases series, focussing on the" Gabčíkovo-Nagymaros Project" or "Danube Dam" or "the great river heist" case. Tamsin Phillipa Paige explains to Imogen Saunders why this is much more than an environmental law case.
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This week we are discussing the dramatic series of events that resulted in former President of the Philippines, Rodrigo Duterte, being transferred to the custody of the International Criminal Court. To discuss the case and its implications, we are joined by Ross Tugade and Dr Priya Pillai.
Recommendations:
The Filipino online news outlet Rappler: https://www.rappler.com/philippines/thing-to-know-prosecutor-vs-rodrigo-duterte-icc/ ;
Patricia Evangelista, "Some People Need Killing", https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/612869/some-people-need-killing-by-patricia-evangelista/ ;
The Philippines Commission on Human Rights 2022 report on killings in the ant-illegal drug campaign, https://chr2bucket.storage.googleapis.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/08154849/CHR-National-Report-April-2022-Full-Final.pdf ;
"On the President's orders", https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/on-the-presidents-orders/.
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What do podcasts bring to international law and legal study? This week Dr Tamsin Phillipa Paige discusses podcasts and their role in international law discourse with: Dr Kostia Gorobets, Assistant Professor at the University of Groningen, Başak Etkin, a PhD Scholar at the University of Groningen – both of Borderline Jurisprudence podcast fame – and Professor Douglas Guilfoyle, UNSW Canberra.
Recommendations:
Kostia recommends -
Solvej Balle's On the Calculation of Volume, https://www.ndbooks.com/book/on-the-calculation-of-volume-book-i/
Başak recommends -
My Favourite Cake, https://www.imdb.com/title/tt31015278/
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This week we continue our "what does everyone get wrong about classic case X" series. And today we're looking at the overquoted, under-authoritative, and deeply de-historicized "Caroline Case" (or, more accurately, the "Caroline Affair") with regular co-host Imogen Saunders. Digressions include a plea for accuracy, critical thinking skills and ... Elon Musk?
Recommendations:
Craig Forcese, "Destroying the Caroline: The Frontier Raid That Reshaped the Right to War"
https://irwinlaw.com/product/destroying-the-caroline/
"'We will make mistakes': Musk pressed on claim $50m of condoms sent to Gaza" (The Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2025/feb/12/musk-says-he-will-make-mistakes-and-that-he-double-checks-with-trump-video
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In this week's episode, in light of 48 hours of the news cycle, Juliette McIntyre convenes the Called to the Bar team - Tamsin Phillipa Paige, Ntina Tzouvala, Imogen Saunders and Douglas Guilfoyle - to ask: does international law have a future? And if so, what does it look like without the US as the guarantor of international order?
Grab a drink and settle in. It's going to be a bumpy global order transition.
Recommendations include:
Tamsin Paige, "Petulant and Contrary: Approaches by the Permanent Five Members of the UN Security Council to the Concept of 'threat to the peace' under Article 39 of the UN Charter" (Chapter 1), https://brill.com/display/title/54194?language=en
Frank Moorhouse, "Dark Palace" (on the end of the League of Nations)
https://www.penguin.com.au/books/dark-palace-9780143790914
What Douglas was wearing: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:6224ogbnhmjhtpjoteynx4hk/post/3ljiyhoop342r
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What does the practise of international law look like at the day to day level? What is it like to be an international lawyer? This week Tamsin Phillipa Paige speaks to a panel of international lawyers with experience in the private and public sectors: Dr Sarah McCosker (Lexbridge Lawyers); CJ McKenzie (Office of International Law, Australian Attorney General's Department) and Commodore David Letts (Royal Australian Navy and University of Wollongong). All guests are speaking in their personal capacity and their views should not be attributed to their employers or clients, past or present.
Recommendations include:
Rob Mclaughlin, "‘Giving’ Operational Legal Advice: Context and Method" (2011) 50 Military Law and the Law of War Review 99 (paywall) https://www.elgaronline.com/view/journals/mllwr/50/1/article-p99.xml
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What is AUKUS - the trilateral security partnership between Australia, the United Kingdom, and the United States? What is it meant to do – beyond replace Australia’s aging submarine fleet – and what are the international law issues and implications?
This week Douglas Guilfoyle talks all things AUKUS with Rob McLaughlin (University of Wollongong), Monique Cormier (Monash University) and Natalia Jevglevskaja (University of New South Wales).
Recommendations
Trevor Findlay, That Sinking Feeling: The AUKUS Submarines and the Nonproliferation Regime
https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/that-sinking-feeling-the-aukus-submarines-and-the-nonproliferation-regime/
William Greenwalt and Tob Corben, AUKUS Enablers? Assessing Defence Trade Control Reforms in Australia and the United States (United States Studies Centre, 2024), 8, https://www.ussc.edu.au/aukus-assessing-defence-trade-control-reforms-in-australia-and-the-united-states -
In this week's episode Juliette McIntyre, Mike Becker (Trinity College Dublin) and Kyra Wigard (Utrecht University) discusses recent allegations of plagiarism at the International Court of Justice, its implications for public perceptions of the institution, and more widely. What ethical standards bind ICJ judges, or the judges of other international tribunals? Are such questions really new? What is the role of codes of ethics for international courts?
Recommendations:
Gleider Hernández, The International Court of Justice and the Judicial Function, https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-international-court-of-justice-and-the-judicial-function-9780199646630
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In this episode Douglas Guilfoyle and Juliette McIntyre discuss President Trump's startling plans to "own" Gaza and resettle all its inhabitants elsewhere, the equally startling number of international laws this breaks, and what the media gets wrong in covering it.
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In this episode Ntina Tzouvala and Douglas Guilfoyle discuss one of the great misunderstood cases of international law: The Lotus Case. What is 'the Lotus principle'? Does the Lotus case even stand for it? How did the case come about and what was really at stake between Turkey and France?
Douglas and Ntina recommend reading:
Douglas Guilfoyle, "SS Lotus (France v Turkey) (1927)" in Landmark Cases in Public International Law. https://www.bloomsbury.com/au/landmark-cases-in-public-international-law-9781509918782/
Umut Özsu's article, "De-territorializing and Re-territorializing Lotus: Sovereignty and Systematicity as Dialectical Nation-Building in Early Republican Turkey," published in the Leiden Journal of International Law. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/leiden-journal-of-international-law/article/deterritorializing-and-reterritorializing-lotus-sovereignty-and-systematicity-as-dialectical-nationbuilding-in-early-republican-turkey/B4A1BF31CE88EFC6BA9B2758D8869750
"The Lotus Principle in ICJ Jurisprudence: Was the Ship Ever Afloat?" by Hugh Handeyside. https://repository.law.umich.edu/mjil/vol29/iss1/3/
"Letting Lotus Bloom" by An Hertogen, published in the European Journal of International Law.
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The final episode of season 1! This week Douglas Guilfoyle, Tamsin Phillipa Paige, Imogen Saunders, Juliette McIntyre review the year in international law, the year in their own careers and the life of the podcast, and breaking news regarding the International Criminal Court's issuance of arrest warrants in respect of the Situation in the State of Palestine. Strong language straight out of the gate!
Recommendations and resources:
On the imminent Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women case against Afghanistan: https://www.dfat.gov.au/news/media-release/launch-initiative-accountability-afghanistans-violations-cedaw-declaration
Tom Dannenbaum's explainer on ICC Arrest Warrants in the Situation in Palestine: https://www.justsecurity.org/105048/icc-arrest-warrants/
Summer reading: Anton Hur, Towards Eternity (Juliette's recommendation); Amor Towles, The Lincoln Highway (Imogen's recommendation); Gail Carriger's ParasolVerse novels (Tamsin's recommendation); Jeff Noon, A Man of Shadows (Douglas' recommendation).
Douglas in a West Point tar bucket: https://x.com/djag2/status/1852086476689060272/photo/1
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This week Juliette McIntyre, having just finished her PhD, asks the rest of the panel about career planning. Where should you aim to work, how much should you publish, when should you turn the PhD into a book, and do you ever recover from post PhD mental exhaustion? Featuring Ntina Tzouvala, Douglas Guilfoyle and Tamsin Paige.
Recommendations:
Ntina Tzouvala
Andrea Lawlor, Paul Takes the Form of a Mortal Girl, https://www.panmacmillan.com.au/9781529007671/
Tamsin:
Seanan McGuire writing as Mira Grant, Newsflesh Trilogy, https://www.miragrant.com/series/newsflesh/
Douglas:
Michael Chabon, The Yiddish Policeman's Union, https://www.harpercollins.com.au/9780007373055/the-yiddish-policemens-union/
China Mieville, The City and the City, https://www.panmacmillan.com.au/9780330534192/
Roger Zelazny, The Chronicles of Amber, https://www.hachette.com.au/roger-zelazny/the-chronicles-of-amber
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In this episode Douglas Guilfoyle hits the road for the Called to the Bar team and attends the American Branch of the International Law Association's "International Law Weekend" conference at Fordham University School of Law, New York and the Lieber Institute workshop at West Point. Along the way he chats with Chris Carpenter (PhD student, Cambridge), Martins Paparinskis (UCL, International Law Commission), Monique Cormier (Monash), Jay Batonbacal (University of the Philippines), Emily Crawford (Sydney), Craig Martin (Washburn) about life in academia and whatever else is on their mind.
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In this episode Tamsin Phillipa Paige speaks with Juliana Santos de Carvalho about how we read the silences in international legal discourse and how some quasi-legal regimes (such as the women, peace and security agenda) are haunted by the shadow of legality. It's hauntology, just in time for Halloween! (Sort of.) Juliana also discusses what it's like to make a career in international law starting out as a first-in-family academic from a disadvantaged region of Brazil.
Recommendations:
Juliana Santos de Carvalho, ‘The Powers of Silence: Making Sense of the Non-Definition of Gender in International Criminal Law’ (2022) 35 Leiden Journal of International Law 963. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/leiden-journal-of-international-law/article/powers-of-silence-making-sense-of-the-nondefinition-of-gender-in-international-criminal-law/4C07987AD98E326EEDE644AD7A61B306 ;
Juliana Santos de Carvalho, 'Under the Shadow of Legality: A Shadow Hauntology on the Legal Construction of the Women, Peace and Security Agenda' (2024) Leiden Journal of International Law (First View). https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/leiden-journal-of-international-law/article/under-the-shadow-of-legality-a-shadow-hauntology-on-the-legal-construction-of-the-women-peace-and-security-agenda/B637D4E3798E7EA4DDC39B90F005154C#article ;
Jack Halberstam, The Queer Art of Failure (Duke University Press 2011);
Maria Lugones, ‘Playfulness,“World”-Travelling, and Loving Perception’ (1987) 2 Hypatia 3 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/hypatia/article/abs/playfulness-worldtravelling-and-loving-perception/C3670D079AD93578FB093CF09FBB87D6 ;
María Lugones, ‘Toward a Decolonial Feminism’ (2010) 25 Hypatia 742 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/hypatia/article/abs/playfulness-worldtravelling-and-loving-perception/C3670D079AD93578FB093CF09FBB87D6 ;
Tamsin Phillipa Paige‘“The Whore That Lost Everything”: The Tyranny of Law and the Queer Feminisation of Soft Power as Explored in Black Sails’ (2023) 17(2) 415-429 https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/pol-2023-2014/html
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This week Imogen Saunders chairs a discussion with Alex Green and Douglas Guilfoyle on their forthcoming article "The Australia-Tuvalu Falepili Union Treaty: Statehood and Security in the Face of Anthropogenic Climate Change". Can a state still exist without land territory? Is the new Australia-Tuvalu treaty a landmark climate mobility agreement of a neo-colonial arrangement?
An advance access version of the article is available at: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4961093
The text of the Falepili Union Treaty is available at: https://www.dfat.gov.au/sites/default/files/australia-tuvalu-falepili-union-treaty.pdf
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This week Imogen Saunders chairs a conversation with Douglas Guilfoyle and Ntina Tzouvala about the deal, announced on 3 October 2024 between Mauritius and the UK which transfers sovereignty of the Chagos Islands to Mauritius. This deal – once thought inconceivable – has caused a great deal of commentary in the international legal community. We delve into the issues and why death, taxes, and US bases are (international) life's only certainties.
Recommendations! From Douglas:
Articles by Douglas and Philippa Webb on the Chagos litigation in https://law.unimelb.edu.au/mjil/issues/issue-archive/213 ;
Philippe Sands, The Last Colony, https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/aug/14/the-last-colony-by-philippe-sands-review-britains-chagos-islands-shame ;
From Ntina:
Daniel Immerwahr, How to Hide an Empire: A History of the Greater United States, https://www.penguin.com.au/books/how-to-hide-an-empire-9781473545335
Tom Frost and CRG Murray, The Mists of Time: Intertemporality and Self-Determination's Territorial Integrity Rule in the ICJ's Chagos Advisory Opinion, https://law.unimelb.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/5034695/Frost-and-Murray-Final-Approval-28.07.2024-For-PL-without-Track-1.pdf.
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This week Juliette McIntyre talks with Tamsin Phillipa Paige and Aoife O'Donoghue about Security Council reform. Is it possible? (Spoiler: not really. Additional spoiler: Tamsin taps the sign.)
Aoife's recommendations:
Dipo Faloyin Africa is not a Country (Penguin, 2022) https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/444389/africa-is-not-a-country-by-faloyin-dipo/9781529114829
Priyasha Saksena, "Building the Nation: Sovereignty and International Law in the Decolonisation of South Asia". (2020) 23 Journal of the History of International Law 52
Jonn Elledge A History of the World in 47 Borders (Hachette, 2024)
Only Murders in the Building https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11691774/
Silo https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14688458/
And the speech where Ursula K le Guin said "We live in capitalism. Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings." https://www.ursulakleguin.com/nbf-medal
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Language warning! This week Ntina Tzouvala chairs a discussion with Douglas Guilfoyle and Tamsin Phillipa Paige on Israel’s attacks on Lebanon in its conflict with Hezbollah. We discuss the pager attack, the recent ground offensive, and the implications of this conflict for the discipline of international humanitarian law.
Recommendations:
Douglas' tweet thread on the "Solferino moment" https://x.com/djag2/status/1836741318242099283;
Adil Haque and Janina Dill interviewed by Craig Martin on the JIB/JAB podcast https://jibjabpodcast.com/episode-39-dill-haque-on-ihl-and-the-idf-conduct-of-hostilities-in-gaza/;
Samuel Moyn interviewed by Ayesha Malek on the @War podcast https://share.transistor.fm/s/c4a63027;
Gerry Simpson, "Law, War and Crime" https://shorturl.at/4c5Bw;
Rob McLaughlin, "Recognition of Belligerency and the Law of Armed Conflict", https://global.oup.com/academic/product/recognition-of-belligerency-and-the-law-of-armed-conflict-9780197507056;
David Kennedy, "Of War and Law", https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691128641/of-war-and-law.
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