(Originally released in April 2018) What was it like to be a Trap Drummer in the silent movie era as talking pictures take over and your job was becoming obsolete? Listen as Kelli and I discuss how this great percussion genre became extinct. Trap Drummers were percussionists who performed alongside silent films and performances before the advent of "Talkies" (talking pictures). Using a wide array of instruments and devices (contraptions), Trap Drummers aimed to make audiences believe these sounds were one with the film or performance.
To dive into the world of Trap Drumming, we listen to real samples performed by legendary William F. Ludwig III. In 1927, Talkies took over popular culture and overshadowed America's once-beloved silent films. This left thousands of talented Trap Drummers jobless, with nothing but a forgotten craft to call their own. So what was it really like to be a Trap Drummer in the silent movie era as talking pictures take over?
Hear about this and much more on this episode! Check out everything Kelli is up to on her website: www.kelliraetubbs.com
Bill is the Music Director on Sesame Street and shares tons of great information on the famous drummers that have played on the show like Questlove, Anderson Paak, Evelyn Glennie, and more - plus we discuss Buddy RIch and his performance with with Animal on The Muppets in the 80's. Bill talks about how it works when a Muppet plays the drums and how it is synced up with a real drummer, and also the importance of music and rhythm on Sesame Street and all kids programming. Bill has worked on many cool things outside of the muppets including Hamilton, Tick Tick Boom, In the Heights, and he co-hosts a podcast with Questlove called "Questlove Supreme"
Check out BIll's website here: https://www.popmusicmisery.com/
and listen to Questlove Supreme here: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-questlove-supreme-53194211/
Ronn discusses his new acquisition of the classic Canadian brand, Milestone Percussion! Milestone was founded in the 1970's by Michael Clapham, and became a beloved brand of Fiberglass drums that hold a special place in many drummers hearts. Now, in 2022, Ronn has brought the original brand back to life and is relaunching with the extreme attention to detail that we have all come to expect from all Dunnett products. Ron doesn't spare any details of what he thinks went wrong with the original run of the company and what he is doing to improve and make it a long lasting Canadian brand. We also learn about Ronn's work process and great info on all of his brands - Dunnett Classic Drums, George Way Drums, and now Milestone Percussion.
Keep up with Ronn on social media and at https://www.dunnett.com/
Enjoy this episode and check out Ronn's bonus episode at www.patreon.com/drumhistorypodcast
Randy takes us through the decades of rare finishes including Leedy's "Autographs of the Stars", Ludwig's "Top Hat and Cain", all sorts of Pearl and Oyster finishes, and through the psychedelic 60 and 70's with Citrus Mod, Psych Red, and Mod Orange. Randy is a longtime collector and restorer of vintage drums and shares stories of many kits that have come through his hands, and discusses many ultra rare kits that he has seen and learned about in the vintage community.
Be sure to find Randy at the Chicago Drum Show and find him on Facebook to get in touch.
Watch this video interview on YouTube here: https://youtu.be/xkgrq4BqMM4
Richard King has been collecting and dealing with high end drums since the 1980's, which has led him to be a dealer and broker for celebrities and also provided drum kits for a number of films. He has a very long running business that specializes in rare and hard to find drum hardware that he has meticulously cleaned, categorized and ready to sell out of his house. Richard shares information on his background on collecting, but also the vintage drum industry and drum shows as a whole. He has built up a sparkling reputation on eBay and to other dealers and collectors around the world so tune in if you want to hear Richards secrets to have a long career in vintage drums!
Here is Richard eBay store where you can keep up with what he has for sale: https://www.ebay.com/str/kingsmusic
Dr. John Owens shares the vibrant lineage of street drumming, the lives of urban percussionists, and the rhythms that make it all happen! He has a history as a street drummer in Washington DC, a performer at Disney, and a member of the US Army Band. He is the author of "Street Drumming: The People, History, and Grooves" which is a soup to nuts guide on everything there is to know about Street Drumming!
You can find his book for sale here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1954270135/ref=sr_1_2
Here is John's website: https://www.www.johnowensdrums.com
Bill Ryder is a longtime listener of the podcast that decided to do extensive research on Ludwig drumheads and the important role that they played in the history of modern plastic drumheads and present it on the podcast. Ludwig's crimped style of drumhead was unique and different from how Remo and Evans connected Mylar to the flesh hoop with a resin epoxy and how they arrived at the use of Mylar is an huge part of drumhead history. The crimped style was quickly stolen by Slingerland which may be the catalyst that started the legendary feud between Slingerland and Ludwig. Bill got help from Jim Catalano (former Ludwig dir. of Marketing) and Herbie May (Remo R&D Director) on this episode which helped create a very thoroughly researched and fun episode.
Here are the other Drumhead related episodes that I mentioned:
History of Remo with Herbie May - https://www.drumhistorypodcast.com/post/ep-26-the-history-of-remo-drumheads-with-herbie-may
A Look at Animal Skin Drumheads with Jeff Stern - https://www.drumhistorypodcast.com/post/ep-115-a-look-at-animal-skin-drumheads-with-jeff-stern
The History of Drumheads with Ben O'bryon Smith - https://www.drumhistorypodcast.com/post/ep-15-the-history-of-drumheads-with-ben-o-brien-smith
Check out Bills written version of this story on my site:
Louis Bernstein not only had a large, high-end drum collection but he also had a true passion for hunting down many of the original famous drum films and tapes that we all enjoy on YouTube today - but Louis was faced with the challenge of moving to a Condo in 2013 and sell off the majority of his collection. He shares the process of how downsizing a collection of 140+ snares, 4 kits, countless rare tapes, Buddy Rich Memorabilia, and all sorts of other things worked and what he learned from the process.
Louis also did a really cool Patreon bonus video episode where he shows us his Buddy Rich Big Band original music stand, and his Buddy Rich owned Canister throne. Check it out at patreon.com/drumhistorypodcast
Daniel is a professor at the Federal University of São Carlos in Brazil, along with being a contributor to "The Cambridge Companion to the Drum Kit". Daniels history for this episode goes back to 1917 in Brazil and takes us through the amazing history of drum sets, drumming styles, and iconic drummers which has many parallels to the American and European histories we usually hear on the show - but this is uniquely Brazilian!
Here is a link to Daniels website: https://danielgohn.wixsite.com/website
A Link to my book: https://hudsonmusic.com/product/no-mundo-da-bateria/
Link to the Cambridge book: https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/cambridge-
Here is a resource of names that Daniel mentioned in this episode that he provided to help English speakers easily find the players and records easily:
- Luciano Perrone (father of Brazilian drumming)
- first drum solo in the song Faceira (1931)
- 50 years partnership with Radamés Gnatalli
- Recording of the song Aquarela do Brasil in 1939
- Oscar Bolão: author of “Batuque is a privilege”
- Edison Machado – creator of samba no prato
- Or was Hildofredo Correa?
- Antonio Carlos Jobim (record in 1963): The composer of Desafinado, plays
and the only record of Edison Machado as a leader: É Samba novo (1963)
- Milton Banana played in the João Gilberto record Chega de Saudade (1959). He also
played in Getz / Gilberto (1963)
- Dom Um Romão played in the Jobim / Sinatra record (1967)
- Airto Moreira played with Sambalanço Trio and Sambrasa Trio, then in Quarteto
- When discussing recording technologies, I mentioned the drummer Wilson das Neves
and suggested listening to his work with Chico Buarque
- Modern players: Marcio Bahia, Nenê, Zé Eduardo Nazário, Celso de Almeida, Ramon
Montagner, Edu Ribeiro, Kiko Freitas
- I mentioned Hermeto Pascoal and Egberto Gismonti as important references
Don Lombardi is the founder of DW Drums and he shares the full story of this legendary American drum brand. Drum Workshop has amazing origins in Don's garage where he recycled the name from his drum teaching business and turned his garage into a workshop where he and his student, John Good, created canister thrones that could raise and lower - and the rest is history! I learned so much about the Camco story, the 5000 pedal, and everything I never knew about DW and Don's background as a professional drummers.
DW's website: http://www.dwdrums.com/
Drum Channel YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/drumchannel
Masters of Resonance documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzt-PaR0XUw&t=67s
Barry James was a student of George Lawrence Stone in the 1950's and is continuing on his teachings to this day by releasing two new books that he worked on with Joe Morello that are finally ready to be released! Barry's new book's are called "Counting the Exercises in Stick Control" which supplements "Stick Control" and teaches how to read it the way Stone originally intended, and the second is "Future Rudiments" which is a concept that Stone created towards the end of his life. Barry is a wealth of knowledge and is working very hard to teach the Stone method at its truest form!
Contact Barry to get a copy of either book before the Kindle release by emailing firstname.lastname@example.org or calling him at (321) 297-3042, and also Barry is an a great teacher who I highly recommend for remote lessons.
Here is a link to Barrys original episode on the podcast: https://www.drumhistorypodcast.com/post/ep-52-legendary-teachers-george-l-stone-with-barry-james
Gary Astridge is Ringo Starr's historian and curator of his equipment who does talks around the world about all things Ringo! He shares tons of great information about the recent documentary, "Get Back", including his equipment, the relationship of the band, and what happened to Ringo's drums after the album was finished. I also ask Gary a bunch of great questions that were sent in from listeners on social media. We also learn some very exciting news about Ringos "Let It Be" drums that are coming out of the vault and making an appearance at the Rock Hall!
Follow along and learn everything there is to know about Ringo's gear at Gary's website - www.ringosbeatlekits.com
Joe Mekler aka Joey Boom tells us all about the Delaware Drum Show which is one of the top drum shows in the USA and is happening on February 27th (2022). Joe is not only an expert on World War 2 drums, but he is a master restorer of vintage drums and a staple of the vintage community. In this episode, my friend Joe shares everything you need to know about this years show and the legacy that he is keeping alive through his passionate dedication to the vintage drum community and the beautiful instruments that collectors like Joe bring to the Delaware Drum Show.
Check out all the details at www.delawaredrum.com and you can also watch the video of this interview on youtube at https://www.youtube.com/c/DrumHistoryPodcast
Thanks for listening!
Mandy is the Director of Education at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, Ohio and she shares tons of great insider information on how the Rock Hall works! She is a drummer who teaches us things like how many drummers have been inducted twice, can an iconic studio musician be inducted, and how many female drummers are in the Hall of Fame? This is a cool episode that really shines a light on an American Rock and Roll institution that can often be a source of controversy when the nominees are announced, but Mandy has a great attitude and love for her job that is really cool to learn about.
You can watch a video of this interview by visiting Drum History on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/DrumHistoryPodcast
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's website: www.rockhall.com
Rock Hall Education site: https://edu.rockhall.com/
Joe talks about working with Neil Peart and Stewart Copeland on the amazing books that he created to spotlight their legendary careers. Joe Bergamini is a prolific author, drummer and teacher and shares the story of how he convinced these mega drummers to let him in and create books that are detailed transcription books, but also work as a coffee table book that shares all the details of the drummers career. Joe also shares lots of great stories about his career and working as a broadway drummer in NYC.
Check out "Stewart Copeland: Drumming in the Police and Beyond" and "Neil Peart: Taking Center Stage: A Lifetime of Live Performance" on his website: https://www.joebergamini.com/product-category/books/
Here is a link for the Sabian Education Network: https://sabianed.com/
This is a fun conversation with Youtube legend Terry Keating (aka Bonzoleum) about how his long history of collecting drums and tips and tricks he has learned along the way, He is known for his passion and knowledge about John Bonham, but Terry is also extremely knowledgable about a wide range of vintage and not so vintage drums. He is a genuinely nice guy who has worked very hard on building his 61k subscriber YouTube channel and it was a lot of fun to talk to Terry about his personal collecting and pick his brain about a ton of topics.
Here is a link to Terrys great "Bonzoleum" YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/c/bonzoleum
John worked for Zildjian for 24 years in a number of roles from artist relations all the way up to vice president of the company. I asked him to teach me how the industry works, and he did a great job of breaking down many roles in the drum world and how they all work together. John has personally worked with brands like Simmons, DW, and Zildjian - but these positions and roles are typically industry wide. This is a good way to learn about how it all works if you are interested in a career, but it is also a fun look at how the brands we all love work.
Check out John's great series called "Live From My Drum Room" here: https://www.youtube.com/c/JohnDeChristopherLiveFromMyDrumRoom
Listen to John's and many other bonus episodes by supporting the show on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/drumhistorypodcast
George Fludas is a Bonzo fanatic who shares his immense knowledge about John Bonham including a biography of the iconic Zeppelin drummer, a discussion of his touring years with Zep, and a look at what we do and don't know about his famous gear. This is a very long awaited episode that I have wanted to do for a long time and I am very happy that George came on to share a very respectful and interesting look at the favorite drummer of many players around the world.
Here is a link to George's "Bonhamology' youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/BONHAMOLOGY
Here is a link to George's website where you can keep up with his gigs: www.georgefludas.com
Thank you for listening!
Billy Gladstone was a legendary performer and the maker of some of the rarest drums in existence with only 61 snare drums and 2 drum sets that are still known to be among us today. Chet Falzerano provides a fascinating biography of Billy and tons of info that is only available from his extensive research he did for his book on Gladstone. This episode also features a short interview segment with the owner of the one of the two Gladstone drum sets that still exists - David Wood. He shares the story of how he acquired the kit from Chet and the very cool thing he is going to do with this holy grail kit.
Here are Chet's links:
Chet's Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/cfalzerano
Billy Gladstone tribute page https://www.facebook.com/billy.gladstone/
Chet's Billy Gladsont book: https://www.amazon.com/Billy-Gladstone-Chet-Falzerano/dp/1574242156
This is a quick episode where Bart shares a short biography of "Syncopation" author, Ted Reed, and discusses some Drum History Pod info about things that are coming up!
Big thanks to JDA for providing the information about Ted Reed on drumforum.org. Here are the links to the videos that most likely feature Ted Reed on drums: