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On today’s episode (originally aired January 20th, 2024), Matt speaks with aerospace historian Peter Merlin, whose new book, DREAMLAND: THE SECRET HISTORY OF AREA 51, is the first authoritative, scholarly history ever published on the infamous top-secret base deep in the Nevada desert. This isn’t a book about UFOs or conspiracy theories but instead offers a sweeping, comprehensive study of the real Area 51, where for 70 years the US Air Force has developed and tested classified military aircraft like the U-2 and SR-71 spy planes, the F-117 stealth fighter, and some projects that will remain secret for decades to come.
Purchase DREAMLAND through Schiffer Publishing: https://schifferbooks.com/products/dreamland
Find DREAMLAND and Peter’s other books on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Peter-W.-Merlin/author/B001JS0GU6
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Chris and Matt are enjoying a late-summer break. Please enjoy this episode of Extra Shot, our bonus show for Patreon subscribers, originally aired May 11th, 2024. Secrets and Spies will return for season 9 with a new Espresso Martini on September 14th.
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Reporting discussed in the episode
"Asio boss says privacy ‘not absolute’ as he urges social media companies to do more on extremism" by Josh Butler | The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/24/asio-boss-says-privacy-not-absolute-as-he-urges-social-media-companies-to-do-more-on-extremism
"Autocracies Are Winning the Information War" by Tom Nichols | The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2024/05/the-plot-to-discredit-democracy/678315/
"Putin’s Propagandists Rage Against the Republican ‘Betrayal’" by Julia Davis | CEPA: https://cepa.org/article/putins-propagandists-rage-against-the-republican-betrayal/
"The Royal Navy is going through difficult times" by Stavros Atlamazoglou | Sandboxx News: https://www.sandboxx.us/news/royal-navy-woes/
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Hello, everyone. We just wanted to say a huge thank you for your support during season 8. We will be starting Season 9 on the 14th of September.
Before we start the new season, we wanted to hear from you about your thoughts on the podcast and if there is anything you would like us to do.
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Join us on today’s podcast as we sit down with author and investigative journalist Tim Tate to chat about his fascinating new book, To Catch A Spy. Tim takes us behind the scenes of the SpyCatcher affair, where the Thatcher government of the 1980s tried to silence MI5 whistleblower Peter Wright. It’s a gripping tale of cover-ups, deception, and its impact on MI5 today. So, grab your favourite drink, get comfortable, and enjoy this intriguing conversation with Tim!
To find out more about Tim and To Catch A Spy, visit: https://timtate.co.uk/
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In this episode, we’re joined by Florian Flade, an investigative journalist for Germany’s public broadcaster ARD, based in Berlin. Florian takes us inside the gripping true story of two Russian sleeper spies who lived undercover in Germany for years, posing as an ordinary family. Drawing parallels to the fictional world of The Americans, this real-life espionage tale reveals the extraordinary lengths to which Russia will go to spy on foreign nations. Join us as Florian shares insights from his in-depth research and podcast, shedding light on one of the most remarkable espionage operations uncovered in recent history.
Please note that this episode was recorded before the historic prisoner swap with Russia in early August.
To listen to Florian’s podcast “Die Anschlags – Russlands Spione unter uns” visit this link: https://www.ardaudiothek.de/sendung/die-anschlags-russlands-spione-unter-uns-wdr-und-ndr/13420611/
For more information and to connect with Florian, please follow the links below.
Blog: https://ojihad.wordpress.com/
Twitter: https://x.com/FlorianFlade
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On today’s episode, Washington Post national security reporter and friend of the show, Shane Harris, joins Matt to discuss last week's historic prisoner exchange between the US and Russia, securing the release of several prominent journalists and pro-democracy activists. Shane dives into his reporting on the swap, detailing months of delicate negotiations, who the Russians got in return, and touches on the complicated question of whether these exchanges incentivize autocrats like Putin to take hostage more Westerners and journalists to extract concessions from their governments.
Read Shane’s work for The Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/shane-harris/
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Reporting and groups discussed in the episode
"Inside the deal that led to a blockbuster prisoner swap between US, Russia" by Shane Harris, Yasmeen Abutaleb & Souad Mekhennet: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/08/01/deal-us-russia-prisoner-swap/
Committee to Protect Journalists: https://cpj.org
James Foley Legacy Foundation: https://jamesfoleyfoundation.org
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In today’s special episode, Phillip Smyth, a leading expert on Iranian-backed militias, returns to dissect the latest wave of conflict in the Middle East. Recent escalations have claimed the lives of a dozen Israeli civilians and two senior leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah. Retaliation from Iran and its allies is expected at any moment, leaving the region once again on the brink of a potentially more widespread and unrestrained war. Phillip sheds light on who these two men were and what their deaths mean for their organizations, parses the delicate messaging and maneuvering behind the scenes, and offers his insights on what Iran and Hezbollah’s imminent response might entail.
Phillip’s work for the Washington Institute for Near East Policy: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/experts/phillip-smyth
Phillip’s work for West Point’s Combatting Terrorism Center: https://ctc.westpoint.edu/authors/phillip-smyth
Follow Phillip on Twitter: https://twitter.com/PhillipSmyth
Reporting discussed in the episode
"Who Is Fuad Shukr, Target of the Israeli Strike on Beirut?" by Aaron Boxerman, Ronen Bergman & Euan Ward: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/30/world/middleeast/fuad-shukr-hezbollah-israel-strike.html
"Bomb Smuggled Intro Tehran Guesthouse Months Ago Killed Hamas Leader" by Ronen Bergman, Mark Mazzetti & Farnaz Fassihi: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/world/middleeast/how-hamas-leader-haniyeh-killed-iran-bomb.html
"Iran Arrests Dozens in Search for Suspects in Killing of Hamas Leader" by Farnaz Fassihi: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/03/world/middleeast/iran-security-response-hamas-assassination.html
"Houthis Launch Deadly Drone Strike on Tel Aviv, Evading Israel’s Defenses" by Gabby Sobelman, Aaron Boxerman, Ronen Bergman, Lara Jakes & Erin Mendel: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/19/world/middleeast/houthis-drone-strike-tel-aviv.html
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On today’s podcast, we are joined by Pulitzer Prize-winning author, historian, and journalist Anne Applebaum. In this episode, we discuss Anne’s latest book, Autocracy Inc., which examines how and why autocracies try to undermine democracy.
We also consider what can be done to better protect ourselves from anti-democratic propaganda.
Find out more about “Autocracy Inc” here: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/725302/autocracy-inc-by-anne-applebaum
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Today, we will look at a Russian operative who was arrested in France, details on the failed assassination of Donald Trump, and a little at President Biden stepping out of the 2024 Presidential race.
On Extra Shot we will be looking at a developing spy case in Australia, Tech Broligarch’s courting Trump, influences driving extreme misogyny and a former US analyst accused of spying for South Korea
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Article Discussed on Espresso Martini
https://theins.ru/en/politics/273350
https://www.twz.com/news-features/experienced-snipers-break-down-the-trump-assassination-attempt
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/23/us/politics/cheatle-secret-service-director-resigns.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/agency-crisis-secret-service-decade-old-staffing-shortfall-rcna162698
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c51ydg792ggo
https://theins.ru/en/opinion/weiss/273301
Youtube Videos Chris mentioned
https://youtu.be/zfATfPIpDc4?si=V1Ut0C0tTpnGKJLd
https://youtu.be/FsvJzfXZI18?si=IW6QqDzgclbpKtfC
Articles Discussed on Extra Shot
https://www.9news.com.au/national/one-of-two-russians-accused-of-attempting-to-leak-australian-military-secrets-to-moscow-told-colleagues-of-special-forces/2207002f-49a1-4d2f-8d2c-e8ec74b3b20e
https://www.9news.com.au/national/australian-soldier-and-husband-charged-with-spying-for-russia/72e72264-a236-40e9-89c6-ee1bc27dfb90
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/20/tech-broligarchs-court-trump-vance-elon-musk-peter-thiel
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/nyregion/sue-mi-terry-cia-south-korea.html
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On today’s special episode, Matt is joined again by Jacob Ware, a research fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations focusing on domestic and international terrorism. Jacob helps make sense of last weekend’s assassination attempt on Donald Trump, placing it in the larger context of political violence in the United States and the ongoing threat to the presidential election.
Read Jacob’s coverage of the Trump assassination attempt and preventing violence in the 2024 election:
https://www.cfr.org/expert-brief/trump-assassination-attempt-poses-new-test-us-democracy
https://time.com/6998930/the-trump-assassination-attempt-represents-a-dark-new-chapter-in-american-politics/
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2024-07-15/trump-assassination-attempt-poses-new-test-for-u-s-democracy
https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4411720-assassination-attempts-are-on-the-rise-worldwide-is-the-us-next/
https://www.cfr.org/report/preventing-us-election-violence-2024
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On today's episode, we will examine who’s who in the new Labour-led UK government, a report on the UK’s armed services, the French elections, and a recently discovered Russian covert information campaign.
On Extra Shot, our Patreon only show we will look at NATO’s 75th anniversary, terrorists returning to Afghanistan, a Chinese spy base in Cuba and GPS under attack.
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Links to articles
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0veg88g7jyo
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk-intelligence-warning-starmer-major-security-threats-election-3152924
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/new-defence-secretary-john-healey-addresses-mod-staff/
https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/hollow-force-choices-uk-armed-forces
https://www.politico.eu/article/marine-le-pen-france-elections-2024-national-rally-paris-jordan-bardella-emmanuel-macron-europe/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/09/business/russian-bots-artificial-intelligence-propaganda.html
On Extra Shot
https://carnegieendowment.org/emissary/2024/07/nato-summit-ukraine-russia-war
https://8am.media/eng/the-taliban-host-terrorist-groups-four-new-settlements-built-for-al-qaeda-and-ttp/
https://features.csis.org/hiddenreach/china-cuba-spy-sigint/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/07/02/world/gps-threats.html?campaign_id=190&emc=edit_ufn_20240708&instance_id=128218&nl=from-the-times®i_id=172310860&segment_id=171610&te=1&user_id=0e295462ed2f443b418b1b6c162349bd
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On today’s episode, Chris speaks with author and journalist Mark Hollingsworth about his book Agents of Influence, which looks at how the KGB attempted to subvert Western democracies during the Cold War and how its replacement agency, the FSB, attempts to do the same now.
Check out Mark’s website for information about him, his book and his other work: https://markhollingsworth.co.uk/
And get a copy of “Agents of Influence” here: https://markhollingsworth.co.uk/agents_of_influence/
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On today’s episode, Matt speaks to former senior CIA officers and now co-founders of Spycraft Entertainment, John Sipher and Jerry O’Shea, to discuss their podcast, Mission Implausible.
In their careers with the clandestine service, John and Jerry, in a sense, created conspiracies, convincing terrorists and hostile foreign governments to believe things that were not true. Now, they’re looking into past and present conspiracy theories to assess what’s real and what isn’t and explore why so many are eager to believe the most outlandish ideas.
Listen and subscribe to Mission Implausible: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-mission-implausible-146774875/
Spycraft Entertainment: https://spycraftentertainment.com/
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On today’s episode, Matt is joined by terrorism experts Bruce Hoffman and Jacob Ware to discuss their book, "God, Guns, and Sedition: Far-Right Terrorism in America.” Both are fellows at the Council on Foreign Relations and teach at Georgetown University. Their book examines the far-right’s long embrace of political violence as a tactic, its proliferation through social media, and provides a range of policy advice to counter this movement and extremism in democratic societies.
Purchase God, Guns, and Sedition: https://www.amazon.com/God-Guns-Sedition-Far-Right-Terrorism/dp/0231211228
Bruce and Jacob’s work for the Council on Foreign Relations:
https://www.cfr.org/expert/bruce-hoffman
https://www.cfr.org/expert/jacob-ware
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On today’s show, we are going to look at reports about private messages from the leader of Hamas, criticisms of Europe’s outdated approach to China, a former CIA officer and FBI linguist pleading guilty to spying for China, and a potential plot from ISIS-K foiled in the US.
Then we will move to our Patreon only show “Extra Shot” we will look at Europe on high alert to Russian sabotage, Russian backed online efforts to disrupt the Olympics, a Fugitive sheriff from Florida who has a new career as an online propagandist in Russia and we will wrap up looking at a piece about Chinese espionage efforts in the west.
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Articles discussed
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/11/middleeast/sinwar-hamas-israel-ceasefire-hostage-talks-intl/index.html
https://thediplomat.com/2024/06/in-the-new-cold-war-europes-approach-to-china-is-already-outdated/
https://apnews.com/article/cia-fbi-officer-spying-china-56865d1f194b94c014afcef9c53b0b30
https://apnews.com/article/islamic-state-border-fbi-homeland-security-7088e6f665f095ad38186cafe69bbddd
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/tajikistan/new-recruiting-ground-isis
On Extra Shot we look at
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/30/europe-on-high-alert-after-suspected-moscow-linked-arson-and-sabotage
https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2024/06/02/russia-cyber-bots-disinformation-2024-paris-olympics/
https://www.newsguardtech.com/special-reports/john-mark-dougan-russian-disinformation-network/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmm33rm32veo
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Hi all, we hope you are well. Sadly, due to work commitments on Chris's side, there will be no show this weekend. We will return next weekend.
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On todays podcast I am joined be retired detective and author Steven Keogh. Steven investigated murders at Scotland Yard for 12 years, and he joins us to discuss his excellent book “Murder Investigation Team” which gives readers an insight into how British murder investigations are run and what it is like to be a part of a murder investigation.
Check out Steven’s website to find out more about Steven, his book and his online course for crime writers: https://stevekeogh.com/
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On today’s show, we are going to look at the death of the Iranian President, Israel &
Iran espionage comparisons, and we finish by looking at secret Hamas files that expose a mass surveillance campaign in Gaza.
Then we will move to our Patreon only show “Extra Shot” we will look at reports of
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau not taking the work of its intelligence agency
CSIS seriously. We also look at Chinese research advances in brain-computer interfaces, then we look at the FBI cutting ties with Russian informants and we wrap up with a new look at CIA funding of art works during the Cold War.
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Articles discussed in the show:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/05/20/iran-president-raisi-deathspeculation/
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2024/05/israel-iran-espionage-comparison/678389/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/13/world/europe/secret-hamas-files-palestinians.html
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On today’s episode, Matt is once again joined by Phillip Smyth, one of the leading researchers of Iranian-backed militia groups, to discuss the death of President Ebrahim Raisi and several other senior officials in a helicopter crash last weekend. They unpack what this unexpected development means for Iran domestically, the regime’s web of proxy forces, and the wider Middle East.
Phillip’s work for The Washington Institute for Near East Policy: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/experts/phillip-smyth
Phillip’s work for West Point’s Combatting Terrorism Center: https://ctc.westpoint.edu/authors/phillip-smyth/
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On today’s podcast, I am joined by two guests, Dr. Chris Gilbert and Dr. Eric Haseltine, and we discuss Havana Syndrome from a technological and medical perspective.
Dr Chris Gilbert is an Integrative and Holistic Medicine physician who has interviewed victims of these so-called Anomalous Health incidents, otherwise known as Havana Syndrome.
Dr Haseltine is a neuroscientist and author who worked as the NSA's research director before becoming the director of science and technology for the US intelligence community. He wrote an excellent book called “The Spy In Moscow Station”, which may well hold the key to what is behind Havana Syndrome.
Dr Chris Gilbert Website
https://drchrisgilbert.com/about/
Dr Chris Gilbert Blog
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/heal-the-mind-heal-the-body
Dr Haseltine Website
https://www.drhaseltine.com/
Dr Haseltine Blog
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/long-fuse-big-bang?page=3
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