Episodes
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Karen and Steve are back, albeit not necessarily better than ever (Steve's in the midst of a pretty nasty cold). After a brief recounting of recent events in their lives, they turn to a wide-ranging interview with superstar CNN anchor and correspondent Pamela Brown, who talks about what it was like to cover the Trump White House (and to do it while pregnant and then with little kids); how the media has been doing with the Russia/Ukraine war; and her really cool side-hustle in the Master of Studies in Law program at George Washington University Law School in D.C.
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In their latest episode, Karen and Steve are joined by Covington & Burling partner Neema Sahni, who talks about her experiences as an in-house lawyer at Disney(!); the transition to law-firm life; and what it means to be co-chair of Covington's "Music Industry Group" and vice-chair of its "Sports Practice Group" (including why Steve is really jealous). Before chatting with Neema, Karen and Steve catch up on a busy week on the home-front, and a look back at Karen's first month in her new job (and Steve's two latest losses in court).
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Karen and Steve reflect on a wacky and wild weekend with the wee ones in Disneyland, and the rather ... sobering ... return to Texas, including the state's proposed attack on tenure at public universities and its very real attack on the rights of transgender minors. After diagnosing Steve with burnout, they then turn to a fun, wide-ranging interview with long-time friend of the pod Jennifer Judge, who talks about the life of an in-house lawyer and doesn't *quite* spill the beans on her big, impending career move.
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In this episode, Karen and Steve reflect on a somewhat-less-crazy week, Valentine's Day, victory on the tennis court, and various other miscellany. They then have a wide-ranging interview with Rachel and Ariel Levinson-Waldman, on everything from the life of non-profit lawyers in Washington to having musical kids music-ing at the same time in the same house to their important work on privacy (Rachel) and legal services for underrepresented communities in D.C. (Ariel).
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Karen has a new job!! We spend the first half of the episode talking about the big move from law firm partner to legal recruiting, what impelled Karen to make such a big switch, how the process unfolded, and how the first week has gone (spoiler: having both girls' schools closed Thursday and Friday due to weather is not ideal). We're then joined by Karen's new colleague, the savvy and brilliant Amdie Mengistu, to talk about his own move from law firm land (including coming onboard at Dewey in the fall of 2008) to a stint in the Staten Island public defender's office to recruiting, how the market has changed during his time at Whistler, and what he sees as the short-term horizon for lawyers thinking about switching tracks.
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The fifth episode of season 2 features a fascinating interview with Elon Law Professor Tiffany Atkins, who reflects on transitioning from legal aid to the legal academy; the challenges of raising three children of with a sizeable age gap; and how the legal profession and the legal academy, more specifically, can make access to the professoriate more inclusive and egalitarian. Before that, Karen and Steve reflect a bit on the news of the day — Justice Stephen Breyer's apparent impending retirement from the Supreme Court — and Steve's predictions for how things are likely to unfold from here.
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It's déjà vu all over again as Karen and Steve talk about the latest setback in their attempt to have two consecutive days of childcare-less work (spoiler alert: no such luck). Then, they turn to a discussion of social media, how they use social media for their jobs/careers, virtues and vices of being active on Twitter and other networks, and advice for folks thinking about creating or expanding their online persona and presence. All of this is simply an appetizer to their interview with Alex Su, former big-firm lawyer turned Head of Community Development at Ironclad, who reflects on the intersection of legal work and sales; how he came to become a social media maven; and how he and his partner (a pediatric cardiologist) balance the demands of two crazy careers and one three-year-old.
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In their latest episode, Karen and Steve sit down with Preet Bharara, former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, to chat about the life of a federal prosecutor; the upsides (and downsides) of having three *older* children; what he's been doing since President Trump fired him; and his forthcoming children's book, "Justice is..."
Before that, though, Karen and Steve recap what's been a pretty difficult week on the home front, with Steve testing positive for COVID and quarantining, and Karen having to handle all of the parenting with an ... inconsistent ... school situation. It's a tough conversation, but one that more and more parents are having to undertake. -
Karen and Steve celebrate their kids' (potentially short-lived) return to preschool and school by recording a new episode, including updates on life with Omicron; how we survived winter break; and thoughts about how early-career lawyers can try to balance the obligations of firm jobs with the obligations of parenting young children (spoiler: help will be needed). They then sit down with Paul Weiss partner Alexia Korberg to chat about how they balance a high-profile commercial litigation practice with constitutional impact work; what advice they have for up-and-coming lawyers with similar aspirations; and what it's like to be one of the only partners at a major law firm who is openly trans and gender non-conforming.
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After hunting around the house for the microphones, downloading the right software onto their new laptop, and realizing that the new episode of Dopesick doesn't drop until tomorrow, Karen and Steve decided to kick off Season 2 of "In Loco Parent(i)s" with a bit of a free-form discussion -- of the last few months; of why they've been so busy; about transitions to Kindergarten (and elsewhere); and about future plans for the podcast.
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In the Season 1 finale, Karen and Steve reflect on their own summer experiences growing up, including the pros and cons of sleepaway camp in (different parts of) New Hampshire, before a fascinating and wide-ranging interview with legal polymath Bill Childs, who's currently in house at 3M but whose career has spanned big firms, smaller firms, and the academy (all while hosting a regular radio show about "indie music for indie kids" on the side). Suffice it to say, Bill's wide-ranging experiences provide a fascinating point of comparison for those wondering how to life their lives as lawyers.
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In their latest episode, Karen and Steve talk about some of the unforeseen difficulties of things returning to "normal," at least out in the world, and the challenges for those with kids who may be months away from vaccinations. They then welcome their dear friends, Caprice Roberts and Andy Wright, to talk about a whole lot of things, from moving with small kids to chasing your dreams (across the country) to starting a new law school to moving in and out of Congress and the Executive Branch.
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In their latest episode, Karen and Steve are joined by Heather Souder Choi, a partner at Baker Botts in Washington, DC, to discuss everything from having a child while up for partner to staying at the same firm from your 1L summer onwards to the difficulties that large firms have retaining and promoting women of color, and what firms, clients, and law schools can and should be thinking about to try to ameliorate them. Before that, Karen and Steve walk through some of their parenting "hacks" (i.e., concessions made out of desperation), along with those that others have shared on Twitter.
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With Mother's Day and Karen's birthday right around the corner, Karen and Steve talk about some of the (very different) things they do to relax/decompress, including their very different approaches to watching TV. They're then joined by Karen's long-time friend Julie Klaff, now a partner at Origami Capital Partners in Chicago, to discuss her fascinating transition from big law to in-house on the finance side; some of the unique issues faced by large families; and her advice for those thinking about careers on the transactional side of the law.
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Karen and Steve are back to talk about the importance of networking in the legal universe, and different attitudes and approaches they have taken both in their own careers and in trying to facilitate connections with friends, colleagues, students, and even strangers. They're then joined by Liz Vladeck (who's quite a lot more than Steve's older sister) to discuss her cutting-edge work on municipal labor and employment law in New York and some of the challenges of being both a parent and a stepparent, and of being a single mom in an era of COVID.
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Karen and Steve are back (this time, with better sound quality) to chat about some of the things that surprised them the most about parenting (and also to feature some of the responses they received from listeners). Then, they're joined by David Lat, founder of Above the Law, to chat about everything from the transition from DOJ to ATL to gestational surrogacy to the scariness of being hospitalized last March with COVID to David's new venture, "Original Jurisdiction."
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After a one-week work-caused hiatus, Karen and Steve are back to talk about the parenting ... challenges when it comes to little kids and organized sports, and how they may have turned a parenting fail into a parenting win (to be determined). They're then joined by University of Chicago law professors Will Baude and Judith Miller, who share their own experiences dividing labor with two kids; Judith's difficult jury duty experience as a new mother; and why Chicago is ... a beach town?!?
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Karen and Steve are joined by superstar Georgetown law professor Tiffany Jeffers, who, among other things, recounts the experience of having her older child diagnosed with dyslexia and how that has (and hasn't) influenced her approach to parenting. Before chatting with Tiffany, Karen and Steve discuss their own (differing) approaches to pediatric "milestones," and striking the balance between trusting your eyes and ears and listening to the experts (i.e., not us).
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After a one-week hiatus for Spring Break, Karen and Steve return with a law school-oriented episode, starting with some of their own recollections on their individual experiences deciding when to go to law school (and while there) before pivoting to a wide-ranging interview with Adrienne Kirk, currently a 3L at the University of Alabama School of Law, about the experiences of being both pregnant and having a kid while going through law school.
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To mark the one-year anniversary of COVID disruptions, Karen and Steve spend the first part of the episode flagging some of the *positives* to come out of the discombobulating circumstances of the past 12 months, along with contributions from folks on Twitter. They're then joined by their first *pair* of interview guests (and their first mother/daughter interviewees), Danielle and JJ Citron, to chat about parenting (and childing) in an internet age; Danielle's pathbreaking work on cyber-stalking and internet privacy; and how a focus on race and the law led JJ to UVa for law school (which just happens to be where her mom teaches).
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