Episodes
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In this episode, Jules is in conversation with Kirsty. Kirsty had a tough childhood, and was exposed to drugs and violence from an early age, she was also let down by the people who were supposed to care for her. She went on to battle with her own addictions, and while spending time in prison found a path to recovery. Kirsty now spends her time helping other people coming out of prison to do the same.
Useful organisations:
Ingeus https://ingeus.co.uk/ The Turnaround Project- Women's Work https://www.womens-work.org.uk/projects/the-turn-around-project/Contact us:
If anything you’ve heard in this podcast has inspired you to make a positive change in your life, or you’d just like to get in touch, please contact us.
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In this episode, Zak and Jules chat through the challenges that come with leaving your old life behind after you’ve been in prison.
Zak and Jules discuss the strategies they have employed both while inside and on the outside to make sure they keep away from their old lives. They also hear from listeners who share some thoughtful advice on this topic and they share some inspiring words that they find helpful in keeping them grounded on their life after prison journey.
This podcast is also available as a video – just search Life After Prison on YouTube.
Useful organisations:
20/20 Levels https://2020levels.org/
Social Ark https://www.socialark.co.uk/
Catch 22 https://www.catch-22.org.uk/
This episode of our sister podcast, Money Mondays featuring Laudjah is also really relevant to this topic, where Laudjah talks about his experiences of coming out of prison and of the financial pull that can lead you back to crime.
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🖥️ Website: https://lifeafterprisonpod.com/
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In this episode Jules chats to Michelle, a real force to be reckoned with. Michelle is a huge advocate for people with lived experience of prison working within the criminal justice system, as she knows first hand how powerful that is, and how the right support can go a long way. Michelle experienced a lot of trauma as a child and has dealt with a lot of heartache over the years, which resulted in years of addiction. She now does everything she can to help other people make the changes she’s made herself to improve their lives.
Useful organisations:
First Contact Clinical https://www.firstcontactclinical.co.uk/ Neca https://neca.co.uk/ Junction 42 https://www.junction42.org/ PACT https://www.prisonadvice.org.uk Ingeus https://ingeus.co.uk/Contact us:
If anything you’ve heard in this podcast has inspired you to make a positive change in your life, or you’d just like to get in touch, please contact us.
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✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF
🖥️ Website: https://lifeafterprisonpod.com/
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Kieron Bryan is an author, entrepreneur and former prisoner.
In this episode, Kieron tells Zak and Jules how while serving a long prison sentence he discovered his passion for books, and read over 250 behind the door.He also shares how he used the skills he learned while in jail to set up multiple businesses, write a chess book for kids called ‘The Pawn Who Wants To Be Queen’, and how he has kept his mindset on track post release doing his Masters Degree and growing all his businesses.
If you're inspired by Kieron's story, and are thinking about starting your own business, there's some great advice in this episode about Jazz's story in our sister podcast Money Mondays.
Life After Prison is also available as a video, just search Life After Prison on Youtube.
Useful organisations:
Open University https://www.open.ac.uk/
Suited and Booted https://suitedbootedcentre.org.uk/
The Longford Trust https://www.longfordtrust.org/
Contact us:
If anything you’ve heard in this podcast has inspired you to make a positive change in your life, or you’d just like to get in touch, please contact us.
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In this episode Jules chats to Milan. Milan works as a careers advisor, alongside studying for a degree in criminology. She’s a self confessed ‘geek’, which is something she found out about herself while serving 8 years of a 16 year sentence in prison. Milan talks to Jules about the different obstacles she dealt with in prison, including the death of a loved one, and what it was like being released after 8 years inside.
The full version of this episode can be found wherever you get your podcasts: https://pod.link/1646949340
Useful organisations:
Prison Fellowship https://prisonfellowship.org.uk/ ID Essence https://www.idessence.org/ St Giles Trust https://www.stgilestrust.org.uk/Contact us:
If anything you’ve heard in this podcast has inspired you to make a positive change in your life, or you’d just like to get in touch, please contact us.
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✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF
🖥️ Website: https://lifeafterprisonpod.com/
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In this episode Zak and Jules discuss prison visits. They share their memories of visits they had while they were serving sentences, and talk about what they learned from people still inside about the things they like best about visits. They also talk about the prison walk of shame; what happens when someone ghosts you on a visit.
In part 2, Zak and Jules share more of their personal memories of visits and hear from some family members of people in prison about what they love about visiting their people inside, and also what they find difficult. They also break down what happens on a closed visit, and why you might get one of those.
Useful Organisations
Prison Phone https://www.prisonphone.co.uk/
Families Outside https://www.familiesoutside.org.uk/
Sussex Prisoners Families – https://www.sussexprisonersfamilies.org.uk/
Partners of Prisoners https://www.partnersofprisoners.co.uk/
PACT https://www.prisonadvice.org.uk/
Prisoners Families Helpline 0808 808 2003
National Prison Radio Family and Friends Request Show https://prison.radio/national-prison-radio/#songrequest
Contact us:
If anything you’ve heard in this podcast has inspired you to make a positive change in your life, or you’d just like to get in touch, please contact us.
💬 DM us: @afterprisonpod on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok
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✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF
🖥️ Website: https://lifeafterprisonpod.com/
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In this episode Jules talks to somebody who is working hard to make prisons more supportive places for people with autism. Kirsty has an autism diagnosis herself, and after many years of struggling to find the right support, and having spent time in prison herself, knows what needs to change. She is now using her voice to make changes in the criminal justice system for people who are neurodiverse.
Useful organisations:
Ingeus, https://ingeus.co.uk/Junction 42, https://www.junction42.org/
NHS https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/addiction-support/drug-addiction-getting-help/ The Samaritans https://www.samaritans.org/Contact us:
If anything you’ve heard in this podcast has inspired you to make a positive change in your life, or you’d just like to get in touch, please contact us.
💬 DM us: @afterprisonpod on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok
📧 Email us: [email protected]
✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF
🖥️ Website: https://lifeafterprisonpod.com/
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In this episode, Zak and Jules sit down with former Prison Officer, Alex South to discuss her time working in some of the UKs most notorious prisons including HMPs Whitemoor, Wormwood Scrubs and Belmarsh.
Alex tells Zak and Jules about the main reasons she wanted to become a prison officer, and talks about the characters she met and the conditions she saw in the prisons she worked in.
Alex also shares what she thinks needs to be done to improve conditions for staff and prisoners living and working in the UK's prisons, and the importance of positive relationships between staff and prisoners.
This episode is also available as a video, just search Life After Prison in Youtube.
Useful organisations:
Trailblazers https://trailblazersmentoring.org.uk/
National Association of Official Prison Visitors https://www.naopv.com/
Belong https://belongmakingjusticehappen.co.uk/
Contact us:
If anything you’ve heard in this podcast has inspired you to make a positive change in your life, or you’d just like to get in touch, please contact us.
💬 DM us: @afterprisonpod on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok
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✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF
🖥️ Website: https://lifeafterprisonpod.com/
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In this episode Jules talks to successful business woman, Tracy Mackness, who’s had a huge transformation from a self-proclaimed ‘Essex Bad Girl’ to a pig farmer.
Tracy runs the Giggly Pig Company, and has around 600 pigs, (as well as 18 dogs and 2 chickens!). Tracy first came into contact with pigs when serving a 10 year prison sentence. One of the over 50 courses Tracy took inside was pig husbandry, and that experience changed her life on a massive scale.
The full version of this episode can be found wherever you get your podcasts: https://pod.link/1646949340
Useful organisations:
Giggly Pig Company https://www.gigglypig.co.uk/
The Oswin Project, Farming Out https://oswinproject.org.uk/our-work/farming-out/
The Samaritans https://www.samaritans.org/
Unlock https://unlock.org.uk/Contact us:
If anything you’ve heard in this podcast has inspired you to make a positive change in your life, or you’d just like to get in touch, please contact us.
💬 DM us: @afterprisonpod on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok
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✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF
🖥️ Website: https://lifeafterprisonpod.com/
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In this episode, Zak and Jules talk about their experience of having their life on hold when they were in prison.
They discuss how they felt they were playing catch up in some areas of life while they were inside, and hear from listeners who share their own reflections. Zak and Jules spend some time talking about some of the things they learnt from that time away including how to manage their money, and also about valuing time and finding patience.
This podcast is also available as a video – just search Life After Prison on YouTube.
Useful links:
Money Mondays Podcast - search wherever you get your podcasts
https://prisonreformtrust.org.uk/
Contact us:
If anything you’ve heard in this podcast has inspired you to make a positive change in your life, or you’d just like to get in touch, please contact us.
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🖥️ Website: https://lifeafterprisonpod.com/
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In this episode Jules chats to Lilly about her incredible journey. After being abandoned as a child, spending two decades in abusive relationships, losing her children to the care system and spending nearly 4 years in prison, Lilly couldn’t be any more content with how her life is now. She works tirelessly to help other women going through the criminal justice system live the kind of life she is now living. Lilly talks passionately about what has helped her get to where she now, where she has a great relationship with her children and is able to look in the mirror and be proud of the woman looking back.
Useful organisations:
Agenda Alliance https://www.agendaalliance.org/
Daddyless Daughters https://www.daddylessdaughters.co.uk/
One Small Thing https://onesmallthing.org.uk/
Changing Futures https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/changing-futures
Samaritans https://www.samaritans.org/
The Shannon Trust https://www.shannontrust.org.uk/
Contact us:
If anything you’ve heard in this podcast has inspired you to make a positive change in your life, or you’d just like to get in touch, please contact us.
💬 DM us: @afterprisonpod on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok
📧 Email us: [email protected]
✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF
🖥️ Website: https://lifeafterprisonpod.com/
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In this episode, Zak and Jules meet the film maker and host of the A Bit of A Stretch Podcast, Chris Atkins who was sentenced to 5 years for Tax Evasion. Chris talks to Zak and Jules about being on bail for 4 and a half years before he was sentenced and the struggles he faced in prison being separated from his young son. Chris also opens up to Zak and Jules about his experience of white privilege while serving time in HMP Wandsworth, and about the conditions he experienced in jail.
This podcast is also available as a video – just search Life After Prison on YouTube.
Useful organisations:
Storybook Dads https://www.storybookdads.org.uk/
Arkbound Foundation Writing Within Walls https://www.arkfound.org/writingwithinwalls.php
Families Outside https://www.familiesoutside.org.uk/
Sussex Prisoners Families – https://www.sussexprisonersfamilies.org.uk/
Partners of Prisoners https://www.partnersofprisoners.co.uk/
PACT https://www.prisonadvice.org.uk/
Prisoners Families Helpline 0808 808 2003
Contact us:
If anything you’ve heard in this podcast has inspired you to make a positive change in your life, or you’d just like to get in touch, please contact us.
💬 DM us: @afterprisonpod on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok
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✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF
🖥️ Website: https://lifeafterprisonpod.com/
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In this episode Jules meets Sunnie, a Prisons and Community Support Worker for ID Essence. Sunnie and Jules find many similarities between their own stories. They talk about the lead up to Sunnie being sent to prison, what she did to fill her time inside, and how it was being released from prison as a young woman, after going in as a teenager.
Sunnie talks about her passions, what motivates her, and how she has continued to have a positive mentality.
The full version of this episode can be found wherever you get your podcasts: https://pod.link/1646949340
Useful organisations:
ID Essence https://www.idessence.org/
CXK https://www.cxk.org/
Women In Prison https://womeninprison.org.uk/
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In this episode, Zak and Jules hear from listeners about the judgement they have faced because they have a family member in prison.
They also talk about how long they would wait before telling a potential partner they have been to jail, and the shame and judgement attached to having a sentence. Later, Zak and Jules spend some time discussing ways to deal with the judgement that comes from co-workers, strangers and even friends when you are supporting someone in jail.
This podcast is also available as a video – just search Life After Prison on YouTube.
Useful organisations:
Families Outside https://www.familiesoutside.org.uk/
Sussex Prisoners Families – https://www.sussexprisonersfamilies.org.uk/
Partners of Prisoners https://www.partnersofprisoners.co.uk/
PACT https://www.prisonadvice.org.uk/
Prisoners Families Helpline 0808 808 2003
National Prison Radio Family and Friends Request Show https://prison.radio/national-prison-radio/#songrequest
Contact us:
If anything you’ve heard in this podcast has inspired you to make a positive change in your life, or you’d just like to get in touch, please contact us.
💬 DM us: @afterprisonpod on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok
📧 Email us: [email protected]
✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF
🖥️ Website: https://lifeafterprisonpod.com/
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The Spark is a brand new strand of Life After Prison, where Jules speaks to women who have been through the CJS about The Spark they found which set them on a path of transformation and change.
In this episode Jules meets the actor, Jennifer Joseph. Jen talks about some of the work she’s proudest of, such as the Donmar Shakespeare Trilogy, and Kae Tempest’s Paradise. They also chat about some of the TV work Jen has been involved with, such as Netflix’s Top Boy, and winning Come Dine With Me.
Jen and Jules chat candidly about prison, from initially being arrested and sentenced, to the impact prison had not only on Jen, but on her family too. We hear how Jen discovered theatre after prison, and the impact this has had on her life since release.
Useful organisations:
Clean Break https://www.cleanbreak.org.uk/
Synergy Theatre Project https://www.synergytheatreproject.co.uk/
Cardboard Citizens https://cardboardcitizens.org.uk/
Women In Prison https://womeninprison.org.uk/
Talawa Theatre Company https://www.talawa.com/
Contact us:
If anything you’ve heard in this podcast has inspired you to make a positive change in your life, or you’d just like to get in touch, please contact us.
💬 DM us: @afterprisonpod on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok
📧 Email us: [email protected]
✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF
🖥️ Website: https://lifeafterprisonpod.com/
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Zak and Jules catch up with comedian, Nabil Abdulrashid as he drops in to the studio in the midst of his Purple Pill tour. Nabil chats to Zak and Jules about arriving from Nigera and landing in one of London’s most notorious estates, how he ended up in jail and what he did to pass the time while he was there.
He also talks about his comedy career, how his early love for comedy got reignited in prison, how people in jail recognised his comic skills and what happened when he realised he’d got the Golden Buzzer on Britain’s Got Talent.
Due to demand, Nabil has extended his The Purple Pill tour. Tickets available at https://nabilabdulrashid.com/
Episodes of ‘Nabil Knows’ available now at https://www.youtube.com/@NabilAbdulrashidComedy
This podcast is also available as a video – just search Life After Prison on YouTube.
Useful organisations:
Andrew Pritchard Foundation https://apfoundation.org.uk/
Red thread https://www.redthread.org.uk/
Forever Family https://www.foreverfamilyfund.co.uk/
I’m Possible State of Mind https://www.i-mp.co.uk/
Angel Comedy Club Trust https://www.angelcomedy.co.uk/angel-comedy-trust/
Goldsmiths University https://www.gold.ac.uk/
Contact us:
If anything you’ve heard in this podcast has inspired you to make a positive change in your life, or you’d just like to get in touch, please contact us.
💬 DM us: @afterprisonpod on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok
📧 Email us: [email protected]
✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF
🖥️ Website: https://lifeafterprisonpod.com/
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When you first get out of jail, managing your finances can be tricky, even opening a bank account can be difficult. Clean Slate is an organisation that helps people with their finances. In this episode, Emma, their head of programmes, joins Zak and Jules, to explain how to set up a bank account, how Universal Credit works and signposts to lots of useful organisations and resources that can help you manage your money.
Our sister podcast Money Mondays is presented by Zak with Emma from Clean Slate and features loads of episodes with advice and support on all kinds of money issues that you might have when you come out of prison.
Organisations mentioned:
Clean Slate – https://www.cleanslateltd.co.uk/
Clean Slate/Quids In Benefits Checker – https://quidsinmagazine.com/calculators/benefits-calculator/
HSBC No Fixed Address Partners – https://www.hsbc.co.uk/help/money-worries/no-fixed-address/
Turn2Us – https://www.turn2us.org.uk/
Entitled To – https://www.entitledto.co.uk/
Step Change – https://www.stepchange.org/
National Debtline – https://nationaldebtline.org/
Christians Against Poverty – https://capuk.org/
Citizens Advice – https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/
Citizens Advice
– Help To Claim Phoneline: England: 0800 144 8 444
Scotland: 0800 023 2581
Wales: 08000 241 220
www.gov.uk/benefits-calculators
Contact us: If you’ve heard something today that’s encouraged you to get some support with your finances please let us know.
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Zak and Jules are continuing to chew over the massive subject of relationships when one or other of the people involved are in prison. In this episode they focus on how it feels when you’re inside but the person you love is on the out.
Useful Organisations:
Prison Phone Limited https://www.prisonphone.co.uk/
Sussex Prisoners Families – https://www.sussexprisonersfamilies.org.uk/
Partners of Prisoners https://www.partnersofprisoners.co.uk/
PACT https://www.prisonadvice.org.uk/
Prisoners Families Helpline 0808 808 2003
Families and Friends of Prisoners https://ffops.co.uk/
National Prison Radio Family and Friends Request Show https://prison.radio/national-prison-radio/#songrequest
Contact us:
💬 DM us: @afterprisonpod on Instagram and Twitter
📧 Email us: [email protected]
✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF
🖥️ Website: https://lifeafterprisonpod.com/
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This week on Life After Prison we’re throwing it back to a really important episode about building your confidence up again when you've been inside. Whether it’s navigating social situations, knowing what to say in a job interview, or feeling like people are judging you for your conviction, it can be really tough to get your confidence back after spending time in jail. In this episode Zak and Jules break it down with some help from other people who've been behind the door.
This podcast is also available as a video – just search Life After Prison on YouTube.
Organisations mentioned:
• CALM – https://www.thecalmzone.net/
CALM helpline – 0800 58 58 58 (open 5pm-midnight)
Samaritans – https://www.samaritans.org/
Samaritans helpline – 24 hours a day all year round on 116 123
MIND - https://www.mind.org.uk/
MIND Infoline number – 0300 123 3393 (provides an information and signposting service. Open 9am to 6pm, Monday to Friday except for bank holidays.)
SHOUT – text for free any time on 85258 – https://giveusashout.org/
NHS Mental Health Services – https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/mental-health-services/
Spark Inside - https://www.sparkinside.org/
Switchback – https://switchback.org.uk/
Contact us:
If anything you’ve heard in today’s episode that has helped you, or if you just want to get in touch, please do.
💬 DM us: @afterprisonpod on Instagram and Twitter
📧 Email us: [email protected]
✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF
🖥️ Website: https://lifeafterprisonpod.com/
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In this episode, Zak and Jules sit down with Ian Thomas to talk about his experience of the care system, and his journey from care to addiction, prison and recovery. In the first part of this incredible conversation, Ian shares the story of how he was first arrested aged 10.5, and talks about how his addiction began.
If you’re struggling with your mental health and you need support today, you can contact The Samaritans on 116 123 any time of the day or night.
Please know that you are not alone, you matter and there are people out there who can help you.
This podcast is also available as a video – just search Life After Prison on YouTube.
Organisations mentioned:
The Rees Foundation: https://www.reesfoundation.org/ Number to call Mon-Fri 9-5: 0330 094 5645
The Forward Trust https://www.forwardtrust.org.uk/
The Care Leavers Covenant https://mycovenant.org.uk/
The Care Leavers Association https://www.careleavers.com/
Other organisations that you may find helpful:
Support with Your Mental Health:
CALM – https://www.thecalmzone.net/
CALM helpline – 0800 58 58 58 (open 5pm-midnight)
Samaritans – https://www.samaritans.org/
Samaritans helpline – 116 123 (24 hours)
MIND – https://www.mind.org.uk
MIND Infoline number – 0300 123 3393 (provides an information and signposting service. Open 9am to 6pm, Monday to Friday except for bank holidays.)
SHOUT – text for free any time on 85258 – https://giveusashout.org/
NHS Mental Health Services – https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/menta...
Together – https://www.together-uk.org/
Turning Point – https://www.turning-point.co.uk/servi...
Rethink – https://www.rethink.org/
If you’re a woman, these orgs can help direct you to a women's centre which is a great place to find all kinds of support:
Women In Prison – https://womeninprison.org.uk/
Advance/Minerva – https://www.advancecharity.org.uk/
Support with Addiction and Recovery:
Humankind – https://humankindcharity.org.uk/drug-and-alcohol-recovery/
Breaking Free/Change Grow Live – https://www.changegrowlive.org/
Kaleidoscope – https://kaleidoscope68.org/
Turning Point – https://www.turning-point.co.uk/support-we-offer/drugs-and-alcohol
Nelson Trust – https://www.nelsontrust.com/
We Are With You – https://www.wearewithyou.org.uk/
Contact us: If anything you’ve heard in today’s episode has helped you, or if you just want to get in touch, please do.
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📧 Email us: [email protected]
✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF
🖥️ Website: https://lifeafterprisonpod.com/
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