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On this Bonus Episode of Modern Manhood, we give you the full interview with Tyler Prochnow who is an Assistant Professor at Texas A&M University.
He was my main voice in the Group Chat episode and we spoke a bit to his research in the online gaming and chat space.
His research interests include the social dynamics which drive health behavior. Tyler has also done work with local Boys & Girls Clubs, health districts, gaming communities, and other research projects to better understand how social connections impact physical activity and mental health.
In this episode you’ll hear us talk about how group chats can become healthy or toxic, and also dissect even a group chat like mine with my friends.
https://www.tprochnow.com/
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When we think of an all male group chat, does your mind wander to places of toxicity, misogyny and overall bad behavior? or does it go to a place where people find a community, where guys lift each other up, and police their language?
Well it can be both.
Let’s explore how the group chat is today’s digital third place, and how men and boys have found toxicity or a healthy community in them
RESEARCH:
https://slate.com/human-interest/2023/05/male-mental-health-mens-group-chats.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/135u9pv/the_unexpected_wholesomeness_of_the_male_group/ (MensLib reddit)https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Constance-Steinkuehler/publication/228622890_Digital_literacies_for_the_disengaged_Creating_after_school_contexts_to_support_boys%27_game-based_literacy_skills/links/5b80ec84a6fdcc5f8b65944d/Digital-literacies-for-the-disengaged-Creating-after-school-contexts-to-support-boys-game-based-literacy-skills.pdf
https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/38676179/Volume_2__Issue_2_Full_Issue.pdf?1441473367=&response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DVolume_2_Issue_2_September_2015.pdf&Expires=1708493753&Signature=HOfLxSvmQYZSDuiSJ1TdVaAEurSvJ8KY9Xhhs4SA1HVGqT4gAzu~Tws3if31EIubAuyl7WLz62YrvCGEHtfIScgebKu8ivoE3mT~5EkfFKCmGUyhy-ziPBcAE6BRz-B9iKnxo9mh3sdnfjRdt1Mfw5Dw2-8cJk277WwjMvE0t8UM7nD0E4ZtaWy0uu-a1X~~ZXySZ4vEcCgODh2cABKGInzoWSeVPdsrluV-vR6o-fONsRQ6C-7hbhsrxPFexGOcyXx2NUi2CA36wti3fZ1oIdLyAum6BBF1LsjRlRtcFCbp9~6c9s4M1h9b57sq8KhaDNBy1pVBj3DKt8ZdS0DcPA__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA#page=9
https://www.insidehook.com/internet/10-things-to-start-doing-differently-in-your-all-male-group-chats
https://thetab.com/uk/2021/02/19/toxic-male-group-chats-190149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2lPptNghyI
https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=46677c8e-7bd0-4210-a297-ba0cd0ffe624
https://www.tprochnow.com/project/onlinegaming/
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Today on Modern Manhood, a bonus episode for you with Iliana Depounti who is a researcher out of the University of Loughborough. She was one of the main writers of the research around Replika, an AI companion chat bot.
Ever since I thought about doing a season on tech I wanted to do an episode on AI companionship, because it’s so god darn interesting in regards to how people, especially guys operate on the internet. And to the broader themes of relationships in general.
And I had so many questions for Iliana, and so many quotes that I could’ve put in the episode. So this is the reason why I wanted to release the full interview. We not only go through Replika, but the different tropes the user liked, also why people may be interested in using the AI bot, and what women liked from their AI companion bot.
So enjoy my conversation with Iliana Depounti, on Modern Manhood: Man v/s Machine
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Ever since the internet has arrived, sex has been the thing that has powered it’s evolution. From how fast the internet goes, to the regulations that policy makers have to make.
however it’s not just sex that’s causing people to turn to the internet, it’s also relationships. and how people use the internet for relationships right now tells us a lot on how gendered it is.
This is a story about chat rooms to AI companion bots with a researcher who studied the new AI companion bot. On the latest episode of man v/s machine
Research:
Samantha Cole - How Sex Changed the Internet and the Internet Changed Sex
Janelle Shane - You Look like a Thing and I love You
Websites:
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220628-what-if-the-internet-was-run-by-women
https://www.wired.com/1997/06/the-entrepreneur-next-door/ (https://archive.ph/XYA07)
https://www.xbiz.com/news/262767/persian-kitty-webmaster-beth-mansfield-passes
AI Replika: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/01634437221119021
https://venturebeat.com/games/adult-entertainment-moves-into-virtual-reality-with-red-light-center-for-the-oculus-rift/
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2002/mar/03/internetnews.observerfocushttps://www.wired.com/story/chatbot-kill-the-queen-eliza-effect/
Research Eliza: https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/365153.365168
https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/chatbot-firm-restores-erotic-play
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Alice's YouTube channel - https://www.youtube.com/@AliceCappelle
Alice's Book - Collapse Feminism - https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/734146/collapse-feminism-by-alice-cappelle/
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Books:
Alice Cappelle's "Collapse Feminism"
Kaitlyn Tiffany's "Everything I Need I get from You"
Links:
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/23158503/one-direction-fandom-book-kaitlyn-tiffany
https://www.vox.com/2016/11/23/13659634/alt-right-trolling
https://archive.ph/riYJt
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/02/sam-bankman-fried-found-guilty-on-all-seven-criminal-fraud-counts.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQqJqovXeDg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdcHrQfaOCU
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On today’s Modern Manhood, it’s a bonus episode that we’ll do after each regular episode of the season, where we’ll release most of the interview with our guest from the episode. This time it’s with Paris Marx.
Paris is a Canadian based writer, podcaster, and leftist opinion maker, who I first heard of from his podcast “Tech Won’t Save Us.” Right now he runs the newsletter “Disconnect.” Paris has always been a person with a critical eye on the world of tech news, understanding that not every promise of rainbows and sunshine coming from the optimists of tech comes to pass. And if it does, it usually comes at the expense of other people, ideas, and culture.
On this conversation, we'll talk about Elon Musk, Uber, AI, and all the tech bros.
You can find Paris' show at Tech Won't Save Us (https://www.techwontsave.us/) and the newsletter Disconnect (https://disconnect.blog/)
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References for this episode:
https://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/17session/A.HRC.17.27_en.pdfhttps://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/31/well/mind/burnout-online-dating-apps.htmlhttps://doniveson.ca/2015/01/21/the-night-uber-came-to-town/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/magazine/women-coding-computer-programming.html"Please Unsubscribe, Thanks" by Julio Vincent CambutoTechnolopy by Neil PostmanThis podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join
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What does it mean to find love, community, knowledge, and power on the internet? How was my digital experience different or the same as every other guy I know? And how has that shaped our culture.
Join me as I find out how masculinity shaped the internet and the internet shaped masculinityThis podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which
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Before we begin the new season, let's have a little fun.
Join Remoy, Samantha, and myself as we dissect, debate, and delve into the news of Masculinity and gender and catching up Remoy on what tech is and who Andrew Tate is. And also previewing the new season of Modern Manhood: Man v/s Machine Expect a few lightbulb moments! 💡
Listen, reflect, and hit us up with your thoughts! And don't forget that in a couple of weeks time, the new season of Modern Manhood begins. This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which
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On this week’s episode, we’re talking about Jonathan Majors again, this time, not for great reasons. On the heels of box office success “Creed III”, Majors was accused of strangulation and intimate partner violence, so we will be talking about it. We are also going to get into another movie starring Jessie Buckley, MEN, written, directed and produced by Alex Garland.
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Wanted to drop an episode of Cold Takes for you all. If you want to check out the Cold Takes feed, do so here: https://pod.link/1637740882
On this week’s episode, we’re talking about the Oscars snubbing some important movies and recognizing some others, including Women Talking, which we’ll get into. Chris Rock has a new Netflix special out where he finally addresses the infamous slap. We’ll also talk about Creed III and what the movie does for male relationships and brotherhoods!
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References:
The Will to Change - bell hooksWe Real Cool - bell hooksDude You’re a F*g - CJ PascoeMasculinities - Raewyn ConnellThe Mask You Live In - MovieSome Men - Michael Messner, Max GreenbergThe Macho Paradox - Jackson Katzhttps://remakingmanhood.medium.com/the-history-of-the-man-box-e6eed6d895c4 (Man Box History)http://paulkivel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/oaklandmensproject.pdf (Oakland Men’s Project)https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-do-men-think-it-means-to-be-a-man/ (538 Survey about Men)https://www.homeronline.com/redistribution-of-energies/https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-do-men-think-it-means-to-be-a-man/https://collectiveliberation.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Lorde_The_Masters_Tools.pdfhttp://www.raewynconnell.net/p/masculinities_20.htmlhttps://embedded.substack.com/p/what-is-online-feminism-now?s=rThis podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join
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Relevant Links:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/proud-boys-far-right-group-1183966/ (Rise and fall of Proud Boys)https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-secret-history-of-gavin-mcinnes (Gavin Vanity Fair)https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/06/inside-vice-media-shane-smith.html (Vice history)https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/nyregion/proud-boys-gavin-mcinnes.html (NYT McInnes) https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys (Proud Boys)https://ctc.usma.edu/pride-prejudice-the-violent-evolution-of-the-proud-boys/ (Pride and Prejudice Proud Boys) https://www.wired.com/2007/10/ff-vice/ (WIRED Vice Magazine)https://level.medium.com/the-black-manosphere-is-the-hate-group-you-never-heard-of-5b8bbc3fe89c (Fountain, Black Manosphere)(http://blackyouthproject.com/its-not-just-white-incels-we-need-to-talk-about-the-black-manosphere-too/ (Black Youth Project, Black Manosphere)https://www.elle.com/life-love/opinions-features/a38819237/black-manosphere-online-dating/ (Elle Black Manosphere)https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/4/16/18287446/incel-definition-reddit (Vox Incels)https://web.archive.org/web/19970525065344/http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ad097/invcel.html (Alana Incel)https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-stack-statement-alleg_n_467539 (Joe Stack Statement)https://www.democracynow.org/2010/5/31/noam_chomsky_the_center_cannot_hold (Noam Chomsky)https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/05/08/intel-involuntary-celibate-movement-218324/ (Politico Incel)https://ctc.westpoint.edu/pride-prejudice-the-violent-evolution-of-the-proud-boys/ (Evolution of the Proud Boys)This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join
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Relevant Links:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/01/manosphere-mens-rights-movement-terms/
https://ojs.aaai.org/index.php/ICWSM/article/download/18053/17856/21548
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/GamerGate (GamerGate)
https://www.vox.com/culture/2020/1/20/20808875/gamergate-lessons-cultural-impact-changes-harassment-laws
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/14/the-red-pill-reddit-modern-misogyny-manosphere-men
https://www.elle.com/life-love/opinions-features/a38819237/black-manosphere-online-dating/ (The Black Manosphere)
https://escholarship.org/content/qt522199sh/qt522199sh.pdf (Play about Roosh V)
https://web.archive.org/web/20110214214049/http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/25/style/he-aims-he-shoots-yes.html (Neil Strauss original article about PUA’s)
https://web.archive.org/web/20141112203352/http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-realist/2013/mar/14/asking-roosh-v-what-legacy-has-feminism-left-men/ (Washington Times article about Roosh V)
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adamserwer/how-mens-rights-leader-paul-elam-turned-being-a-deadbeat-dad
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/daryush-roosh-valizadeh (Roosh V SPLC)
https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/14/are-roosh-vs-bang-books-how-to-guides-for-date-rape/ (Roosh V Bang books)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338737324_The_Evolution_of_the_Manosphere_Across_the_Web (Evolution of the Manosphere)
https://deadspin.com/the-future-of-the-culture-wars-is-here-and-its-gamerga-1646145844 (Gamergate)
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Relevant Links:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1991/02/03/mens-movement-stalks-the-wild-side/83d3e85f-1384-484c-8e43-c4e30e1229f4/https://medium.com/the-establishment/meet-the-new-masculinity-same-as-the-old-masculinity-25dc5a65c7dfhttps://nymag.com/article/2016/06/how-poet-robert-bly-started-the-drum-thumping-mens-movement-of-the-90s.htmlhttps://www.the-numinous.com/2015/12/17/why-men-find-it-hard-to-feel/ (Mythopoetic Idea of male malaise)https://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/23/books/why-iron-john-is-no-gift-to-women.html (NYT review of Iron John)https://jezebel.com/king-warrior-magician-revisionist-the-enduring-masc-1845215969 (Jezebel KWML)https://thepowermoves.com/king-warrior-magician-lover/ (KWML Summary from a Red Piller)https://www.context.org/iclib/ic16/bliss/ (Bliss talking about Men’s Movements)https://web.archive.org/web/20070704074252/http://girardianlectionary.net/covr2004/BJohnsenpaper.pdf (Bly early life)https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/08/style/men-emotions-mankind-project.html (NYT MKP)https://www.vice.com/en/article/4awnqm/what-are-man-warrior-camps (Warrior Camps VICE)https://www.gq.com/story/among-the-mens-group-sacred-sons (GQ Sacred Sons)https://www.gq.com/story/inside-a-group-where-men-confront-their-feelings (GQ EVRYMAN)This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join
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Related Links:
https://gynocentrism.com/2015/12/19/a-word-for-mens-rights-1856/ (A Word for Men’s Rights)https://www.bustle.com/articles/65536-7-feminist-moments-from-the-1980s-because-the-decade-wasnt-just-about-spandex-and-hairsprayhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_rights_movementhttp://menstuff.org/columns/overboard/farrell.htmlhttps://xyonline.net/content/book-review-myth-male-power-why-men-are-disposable-sex-warren-farrellhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Male_Powerhttps://againstthecurrent.org/atc085/p1681/ - Women and Anti Warhttp://www.menstuff.org/columns/farrell/archive.html (Farrell debate)https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/male-supremacy (SPLC Men’s Supremecy)https://books.google.ca/books?id=aHwpEAAAQBAJ&pg=PT90&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false (Because they were women: The Montreal Massacre)This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join
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Relevant Links:
https://www.nytimes.com/1972/08/09/archives/mens-lib-almost-underground-but-a-growing-movement.html (NYT Article 1974)https://www.vice.com/en/article/eve7zk/the-mens-liberation-movement-time-forgot (Vice magazine article) https://books.google.ca/books?id=RUAEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA52&source=gbs_toc_r&hl=en&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false (LIFE magazine 1972)https://people.com/archive/womans-lib-marries-mans-lib-a-real-life-adams-rib-vol-2-no-24/ (People 1974)https://www.academia.edu/33743560/On_Male_Liberation (Jack Sawyer On Male Liberation)https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/from-mens-liberation-to-mens-rights-angry-white-men-in-us/ (From men’s liberation to Men’s Rights - Kimmel)https://archive.org/details/liberatedman00farr/page/n5/mode/2up (The Liberated Man)This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join
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Relevant Links:
https://www.contrapoints.com/transcripts/menhttps://thebaffler.com/ancestors/feminism-for-menhttps://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/womens-suffrage-in-progressive-era/https://www.jstor.org/stable/190086https://www.jstor.org/stable/189564https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/theodore-roosevelt-considered-abortion-infanticide/https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/ymca-first-opened-gyms-train-stronger-christians-180967665/https://books.google.ca/books?id=7Ne5DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA167&lpg=PA167&dq=%22I+can+never+be+thankful+enough+for+the+courage+he+gave+to+many+of+us--young+and+doubtful--when+he+took+up+the+suffrage+movement+on+his+own%E2%80%9D&source=bl&ots=NDwZOAXWZf&sig=ACfU3U3Rl6ZplMkBHQs_rh8Y5GR_uR7_yg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiqmJv818_6AhV_BTQIHSLnAuwQ6AF6BAgLEAM#v=onepage&q=%22I%20can%20never%20be%20thankful%20enough%20for%20the%20courage%20he%20gave%20to%20many%20of%20us--young%20and%20doubtful--when%20he%20took%20up%20the%20suffrage%20movement%20on%20his%20own%E2%80%9D&f=falsehttps://www.6sqft.com/how-the-mens-league-for-womens-suffrage-revolutionized-voting-rights-in-new-york/This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which you can support by subscribing to our online community at nextgenmen.ca/join
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Welcome back to a new season of Modern Manhood. Where we will look at the history of men's movements starting from the 1900's all the way to now in 2022. Episode 1 will drop tomorrow Oct 16th. This podcast cannot be done without the support of Next Gen Men, which
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