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In town for an event with Matt Copson at Berlin’s KW, Dean Kissick stops by the show to talk about art, criticism, and self-performance as well as fire punks, AI monsters, vulgarity, Ye, and the death of the hot take.
Now based in London following a decade-long tenure in Downtown New York, Dean is a writer with recent and forthcoming work in Spike, Heavy Traffic, and Civilization. His essay, “The Painted Protest: How Politics Destroyed Contemporary Art” appeared in the December 2024 issue of Harper’s.
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Gideon Jacobs joins NM to discuss his latest piece for the LA Review of Books, “Player One and Main Character,” which explores the logic of power in a time when some of its key agents are no longer operating in base reality.
Related: Lil Internet’s “Hallucinator’s Dice” (unlocked) https://soundcloud.com/newmodels/hallucinators-dice
See also:
"Player One and Main Character" (LARB, Apr 2025)
https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/player-one-and-main-character/
“Trump l’Oeil,” (LARB, Nov 2024) https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/trump-loeil/
NM Talkcore w/ Gideon Jacobs on Trump as Image (Nov 2024)
https://on.soundcloud.com/kC8NzddUcGynZyZj6
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Lil Internet purges his Musk Derangement Syndrome one last time in a monologue that could have been titled “Ket, Lies, and Video Games”—until a decades-long shift in base reality is revealed by dice in a Hong Kong bar.
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“A very brief review of what everyone knows but might not think about all at once: Elon Musk bought Twitter, the most influential social media platform in the world, and promised to make it ”politically neutral.” He then renamed it X, which, in mathematics and logic stands for any arbitrary thing you want, and turned the entire platform towards boosting far right parties across the globe. He controls what does and doesn’t appear on your feed, what does or doesn’t get fact checked, and bans users on a whim. He owns Starlink, a satellite ISP that allows him to monitor traffic or sever a home’s entire internet connection at any time. He owns SpaceX, which is building a classified satellite network called Starshield for the National Reconnaissance Office of the US Military that will allow 24/7, real-time images and AI-powered intelligence gathering across the entire surface of the planet. He owns xAI, which is building the world’s most powerful supercomputer to achieve AGI and have it run the US government. He owns Tesla, which sells cars that he can control, shut down, or render permanently inoperable via satellite, and builds humanoid robots explicitly for replacing human jobs. And then there’s Neuralink, Elon Musk’s company that is literally implanting thought-reading microchips in people’s brains.
This is all basic public knowledge, and yet people who swore Bill Gates was putting 5G microchips in the vaccines seem to be totally fine with an even richer guy controlling their social media, internet access, and car while building robots to replace their jobs, putting every square inch of Earth under 24/7 surveillance, and implanting microchips in people’s brains.
Elon Musk has openly, transparently, turned every conspiracy theory trope into a business he directly owns. He is openly, transparently, every dystopian fear embodied within a single man. Yet the paranoid and the conspiratorial are most likely to support him. Why? I think it’s because transparency has replaced truth and trust in society, and with Elon transparently the most dangerous man to ever exist, truth and trust have become irrelevant.” -
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Writer and Nymphet Alumni co-host Biz Sherbert joins NM following the launch of her newsletter, American Style. Its premise is simple — travel around the country and talk to people about what they are wearing and why. On the show, we chat with Biz about the transmission of style today, particularly in the USA, and whether personal aesthetic transformations may be a stand-in for pursuing the erstwhile American Dream.
For more:
https://instagram.com/bizsherbert
https://bizsherbert.substack.com/about
Nymphet Alumni Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/65CYBeAlLNevYAdW0YgyD1
See also:
“What Does Beauty Look Like in the Age of Trump?” AnOther (Feb 2025) https://www.anothermag.com/fashion-beauty/16218/what-does-beauty-look-like-in-the-trump-era-anna-claire-howland-addison-rae
“On the Fashion Philosophy of the Crypto Bro,” Zora (June 2023) https://zine.zora.co/biz-sherbert-crypto-style
Biz Sherbert x Emma Chamberlain, The Face (Sept 2024)
https://theface.com/culture/emma-chamberlain-style-voice-of-a-generation-young-people-social-media-famous
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First published in Heavy Traffic V (Fall 2024), Mark Leckey's kaleidoscopic, transhistorical sojourn into the Eikonomachia (the 'image struggle') is presented here in radio play form w/ sound design and production also by Leckey.
This reading is part of Heavy Traffic’s New Models residency, which features pieces from the magazine read aloud by their authors. Heavy Traffic V of is out now. https://heavytrafficmagazine.com
See also:
📹 "Enter Through Medieval Wounds" video version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vyi-ZRJj7mI
🔉NM Greenroom | Mark Leckey (2025)
https://soundcloud.com/newmodels/preview-nm-greenroom-mark-leckey-2025?
🔉NM75 | w/ Heavy Traffic editor/publisher Patrick McGraw
https://soundcloud.com/newmodels/mcgraw-heavytraffic-nm75/s-VB0sQZYweL0
🖼️ 3 Songs from the Liver,” Gladstone Gallery, NYC (2024-25)
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How does media actually work in 2024, which is to say in a time of omnipresent AI? And what kind of subject is this era of media producing? On this ep, we speak with K Allado-McDowell—the author, with GPT-3, of Pharmako-AI, Amor Cringe, and Air Age Blueprint, and founder of the Artists + Machine Intelligence program at Google AI—about how media is evolving. Specifically, we ask about rise of “neural media,” which K has theorized as developing out of network media in the mid-2010s amid increasing human-AI interaction. Hearing K describe neural media's mechanics, it seems inevitable that our ideas of individuality and identity formation, even what it means to communicate as a human (among other living beings) are about to be majorly recalibrated.
For more:
@kalladomcdowell (IG & X)
“Designing Neural Media” (2023), Gropius Bau Journal
https://www.berlinerfestspiele.de/en/gropius-bau/programm/journal/2023/k-allado-mcdowell-designing-neural-media
"Am I slop? Am I Agentic? Am I Earth" (2025), The Long Now
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British artist Mark Leckey — creator of famed club culture docu-hallucination, Fiorucci Made Me Hardcore (1999), winner of the 2008 Turner Prize, and longtime NTS Radio host — discusses the terms of art-making in our technological present and our increasingly medieval relationship to representation. His show “3 Songs from the Liver” was on view at Gladstone Gallery, NY, Nov 2024 - Feb 2025.
“AI outputs are not “images” as we know them. And if we try to understand them in that way, then we’re really…. f*cked, you know?”
Following this conversation, keep listening for “Enter Through Medieval Wounds” a radio play by Mark Leckey, which first appeared in essay form in Heavy Traffic V (Fall 2024).
For more:
https://markleckey.com
https://www.nts.live/shows/mark-leckey
https://www.gladstonegallery.com/exhibition/13694/3-songs-from-the-liver/installation-views
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This is a preview | Full episode released to subscribers: 13 Feb 2025 | Subscribe --> https://newmodels.ioPart 2 of this NM Greenroom features Amnesia Scanner's Ville Haimala & French artist Freeka Tet discussing the work they do in parallel to their AS collaboration. For Ville, this includes developing scores and sound design with Anne Imhof for her monumental performance-installations; while Freeka discusses his recent music video for The Weeknd.In Part 1 (released 9 Feb 2025) AS's Ville Haimala & Martti Kalliala, together with regular collaborator Freeka Tet speak about their most recent release, AS HOAX (PAN, 2024) and the project's innovations within the post-streaming subcultural industrial complex.For more: @amensiascanner @freekatet @villehaimala (IG)https://p-a-n.org/product/amnesia-scanner-freeka-tet-hoax-pan-148/
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Ville Haimala & Martti Kalliala of the experimental music duo @amnesia-scanner & regular collaborator Freeka Tet join NM to discuss AS HOAX (@pan_hq 2024) — both the making-of and the world into which the dual record project was released.
This is Part 1 of 2. It focuses on the Amnesia + Freeka project and its innovations within the post-streaming subcultural industrial complex.
Part 2 (coming soon) expands to Ville & Freeka’s activity outside of Amnesia Scanner, including recent work with artists Anne Imhof and The Weeknd.
Recorded at the end of 2024, the conversation presciently channels the noise, distortion, and attentional overload that has quickly come to characterize the info-sphere of 2025.
For more: HOAX (PAN, 2024)
https://p-a-n.org/product/amnesia-scanner-freeka-tet-hoax-pan-148/
Related:
Joshua Citarella, Doomscroll: Trevor Paglen: Mind Hacking, AI and Psyops Capitalism,” 2024 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--0kYOwOoDQ
Joshua Citarella, Doomscroll: Matty Healy: Pop Culture in the 21st Century, 2024 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdCdpnz0wDU&t=1732s -
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// One week after the 2025 US presidential inauguration and less than a month since fires devastated LA, American journalist James Pogue and energy specialist Ellie Holbrook talk us through the current political terrain.
James has been covering the New Right since the early 2010s. His back-to-back features this month on the Republican party’s uneasy Tech/MAGA alliance (NYTimes) and the demise of the Dems (Vanity Fair) are, together, an essential primer for how power works today. With literal power (fuel) being part of this equation, Ellie shares her knowledge on the energy trade and LNG markets in particular. What follows in an orientation for our strange new real.
See also: @hellholbrook (IG) @jhenseonpogue (x)
Forthcoming: James Pogue, The Natural Division (Pantheon) is “a first-person journey deep into a region at the epicenter of both America’s megafires and militia politics, told through California’s far-flung northern State of Jefferson.”
NM82: James Pogue on American Futures (2024) https://soundcloud.com/newmodels/prvw-nm82-james-pogue-on-american-futures
NM54: Damn Nation w/ James Pogue (2022)
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Jay Springett is a writer, researcher, consultant, musician, podcaster, Royal Society of Arts Fellow, New Centre instructor, and decade long admin of solarpunks.net. Currently at work on a book exploring the history of Dungeons & Dragons (the so-called metaverse), Jay joins New Models to speak about the proliferation of “worlds” (perhaps in lieu of the 20th century public sphere) and strategies for existing within them.
For more: thejaymo.net
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On the occasion of Loretta Fahrenholz’s exhibition “A Coin From Thin Air” at Amant in Brooklyn, Carly Busta and artist/writer Jak Ritger discuss art making, AI, and value in a time of infinite content.
02:45 - Intro by Amant chief curator, Tobi Maier
05:00 - Carly gives context on Fahrenholz’s practice
15:00 - Jak x Carly discuss the show’s works & themes
36:50 - Q&A feat. Joshua Citarella, Dena Yago, Gideon Jacobs, Anika Jade Levy, Brian Droitcour, Dru Ritger, and Peter Fend, among others
Exhibition Guide: Loretta Fahrenholz “A Coin From Thin Air”
https://dcld85wa7rf0u.cloudfront.net/api/file/5ZatFCPRhKKTUQjpYsxP
Watch: Loretta Fahrenholz, Trash The Musical (2023, HD, 37 min)
https://vimeo.com/1046803248
Courtesy of Reena Spaulings Fine Art
This talk took place on Saturday, January 4, 2025 at Amant.
https://www.amant.org/exhibitions/95-loretta-fahrenholz-a-coin-from-thin-air
The exhibition remains on view through February 16, 2025.
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Hallucinating Sense in the Era of Infinity Content
Written & read by Caroline Busta
Document Journal SS24
https://www.documentjournal.com/2024/05/technical-images-film01-angelicism-art-showtime-true-detective-shein/
What if, in a time of infinity content, a meta-reading of the shape and feel of content has become a survival skill?
What if we thought about generative AI more as an expression of an epochal shift in human communication than a root cause?
More than transmitting specific information, “content”—whether a mukbang video or this 3600 word essay—is now foremost a conductor of “vibes.”
"Hallucinating Sense in the Era of Infinity Content" was written in early 2024 by Caroline Busta for Document Journal SS 2024.
Editors: Drew Zeiba & Camille Sojit Pechat
Audio production: Lil Internet
In the training data: Vilém Flusser, Kevin Munger, K Allado McDowell, Holly Herndon & Mat Dryhurst, Jon Rafman, Dean Kissick, Theo Anthony, Lola Jusidman, Film01, Bernard Stiegler, Olivia Kan-Sperling, Chris Blohm, Niklas Bildstein Zaar, Andreas Grill, Anna Uddenberg, Simon Denny, Trevor Paglen, Joshua Citarella, Jak Ritger, Hari Kunzru, Loretta Fahrenholz, Dorian Electra, Michael Franz, Kolja Reichart, Shein, Lil Internet & the NM Discord. <3
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// In part due to the rise of AI-enabled systems, we are witnessing a shift in where and how the creative act takes place. It is a phenomenon that artists Holly Herndon and Mat Dryhurst have been grappling with for more than a decade through their music and their work with machine learning and its governance. With their exhibition “The Call” on view at the Serpentine in London through February 2nd and their book All Media is Training Data out this week, Holly and Mat join NM to talk about a new paradigm of artmaking and artist subject. We also discuss a new kind of collector and the tech-literate gallerists that are bridging legacy cultural systems with this particular future.
For more:
herndondryhurst.studio
@hollyherndon & @matdryhurst
Source.Plus public diffusion model
Spawning.ai data governance for generative AI
"The Call" Serpentine North Gallery, London
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NYC filmmaker-actor-sibling-duo Betsey Brown and Peter Vack join NM to reflect on the making and reception of their own and each other’s films, Actors (Brown, 2021) and www.RachelOrmont.com (Vack, 2024). Deliberately tuned to the affective frequency of the internet (desire, desperation, outrage), both works proceeded to inflame online channels to the point of being overshadowed by controversy—at least initially. With a little distance, we approach the films on their own terms: contemporary explorations of the psychoanalytic depths of self, society, and platform in a cyber-networked present.
Watch: www.actors.movie & www.RachelOrmont.com
Read: Peter Vack, Sillyboy https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0D46C346T/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0
IG: @me_betseybrown/ & @themasterofcum
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This is a preview | Full episode released to subscribers: 11 Nov 2024 | Subscribe --> newmodels.io // Writer Gideon Jacobs joins NM the day after the US election to discuss his essay “Trump l’Oeil,” which ran in the LA Review of Books, November 3. Opening with the images of Trump working at McDonalds, the piece explores what happens when images start conveying a realness that is untethered from reality; images that are generated (rather than taken) and, like Trump, succeed by claiming truths rather than dutifully indexing their referents. This is not a conversation about US policy or politics. Instead, it considers how our current media era is reshaping how the public thinks about both.For more:https://gideon.works & IG: @gideon___jacobshttps://lareviewofbooks.org/article/trump-loeil/
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// Remilia Corporation, founded in 2021 by Charlotte Fang, describes itself as an institution, a lifestyle brand, and an artist’s colony, among other things. As the group behind the influential and infamous Milady NFT project, Remilia also exemplifies a particularly contemporary artistic practice—one in which an online swarm algorithm-hacks certain language, images, and aesthetics into relevance, thereby generating their own market. Earlier this year, Remilia released issue one of Remilia Quarterly, a “literary magazine and critical journal for the New Net Art.” Joining us on this episode is the journal’s editor, L.B. Dobis.
"Remilia is a manifesto. Remilia is an institution. Remilia is a self-organization. Remilia is a lifestyle brand. Remilia is a master-planned community. Remilia is an investment fund. Remilia is an artist's colony. Remilia is a crowdfunded video game. Remilia is an autonomous smart contract. Remilia is an independent record label. Remilia is a community center for the digital village. Remilia will save the internet. […]"
For more:
https://quarterly.remilia.org
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// This NM Dispatch monologue by @lilinternet is not about a physical place but a region of the internet—the increasingly adversarial realm of online shopping.
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Somewhat relatedly, we put together this product shortlist of baby items that we hope those new to (or curious about) early parenthood might find useful. https://www.newmodels.io/editorial/general/product-shortlist-the-baby-edit -
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// With this first episode of NM Talkcore we speak with Alex Kazemi, author of New Millennium Boyz (2023). In doing so, we bring back the format of NM TopSoil, a freeform conversation about things that are mutually top-of-mind. For this ep, that includes, among other items: personal branding and the book publishing industry, Paramount wiping the MTV News archives, y2k masculinity, history in a time of infinity information, and history in a time of AI.
For more:
https://alexkazemi.com
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Full Ep released to subscribers: 1 Aug 2024 | To join New Models, find us via patreon.com/newmodels & newmodels.substack.com// A few weeks ago, artist and friend of New Models, Bjarne Melgaard reached out with an episode proposal. He'd become close with actor and artist Paz de la Huerta, whose debut solo show had just closed at Rutkowski;68 Gallery in Paris. Bjarne had been painting Paz for a new series of work and she was interested in speaking to us together with him about that collaboration, her own art, and their shared healing. With this episode, we give you an edit of the resulting conversation — one that is as much about friendship, trauma, and healing as it is about media, image-making, and power.For more: Ruttkowski;68 (Paris) Gallery VI, VII (Oslo) https://bjarnemelgaard.no & @bjarnemelgaard (IG)
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