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The pastors' wives discuss the problem of church members hopping from one church to the next. They share how we can know when to leave an unhealthy church and when we should stay.
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Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
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JENNA:
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Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
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STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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The pastors' wives and their friend Natasha spill the tea on the emotional complexities of adoption for both the birth mom and adoptive mom.
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Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions
JENNA:
Instagram: @jennaallen, @jennaallendesign
Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
Website: Jenna Allen Design
STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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The pastors' wives chat with grief advocate, author, speaker, and podcast host Natasha Smith. They discuss how to walk alongside people in the church who face loss and grief. Natasha offers practical advice for those of us who struggle with how to offer support to the grieving and teaches us the importance of grief work.
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Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions
JENNA:
Instagram: @jennaallen, @jennaallendesign
Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
Website: Jenna Allen Design
STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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The pastors' wives chat about Jessica's recent trip to Rwanda, Africa, and share how you can get involved with missions in a new, fresh way.
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JESSICA:
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Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions
JENNA:
Instagram: @jennaallen, @jennaallendesign
Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
Website: Jenna Allen Design
STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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Pastors' Wives Tell All: Navigating Real Church Life with Honesty and Humor is almost here! In this episode, the pastors' wives read a snippet of the book introduction, explain the importance of getting the word out about the book, and share why the Church needs this book.
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Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions
JENNA:
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Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
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STEPHANIE:
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Facebook: I Literally LOL
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The pastors' wives share a few of their favorite things happening right now, along with laugh-out-loud moments and hilarious misunderstandings.
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JESSICA:
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Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions
JENNA:
Instagram: @jennaallen, @jennaallendesign
Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
Website: Jenna Allen Design
STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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The pastors' wives have made mistakes along the way and have heard some jaw-dropping stories of other pastors' wives since the start of this podcast; it's time to talk about them. These are the things we should NEVER do in ministry.
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Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions
JENNA:
Instagram: @jennaallen, @jennaallendesign
Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
Website: Jenna Allen Design
STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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The pastors' wives discuss awkward situations, mean girls, and more with their new friend, Jess Connolly.
Follow along with Jess Connolly:
Instagram: @JessAConnolly
Website: www.JessConnolly.com
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JESSICA:
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Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions
JENNA:
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Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
Website: Jenna Allen Design
STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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The pastors' wives discuss the signs of exhaustion and offer church-planting advice with pastor's wife, author, and speaker, Jess Connolly. Exhaustion is more than physical; we need to know the signs of mental, spiritual, and emotional fatigue, too, and Jess teaches us how.
Follow along with Jess Connolly:
Instagram: @JessAConnolly
Website: www.JessConnolly.com
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Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions
JENNA:
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Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
Website: Jenna Allen Design
STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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The pastors' wives share a few of their favorite things and how these simple items have made life a little sweeter.
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Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions
JENNA:
Instagram: @jennaallen, @jennaallendesign
Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
Website: Jenna Allen Design
STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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The pastors' wives put each other on the spot by asking deep questions without prior knowledge of the questions. It gets vulnerable and raw as they wrestle with tough answers.
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JESSICA:
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Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions
JENNA:
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Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
Website: Jenna Allen Design
STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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The pastors' wives discuss recent Sunday sermons and how one pastor wifey may or may not have played hooky from church.
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Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
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JENNA:
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Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
Website: Jenna Allen Design
STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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The pastors' wives address a social media post that received recent criticism. Should pastors ever reach the point that they separate themselves from their congregations? When is this okay, if ever? It seems cut-and-dry, but is it?
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Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions
JENNA:
Instagram: @jennaallen, @jennaallendesign
Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
Website: Jenna Allen Design
STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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The pastors' wives join their friend Janelle again to spill the tea on their dream podcast guests and how to take friendship to the next level... even when it stinks. Literally.
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Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions
JENNA:
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Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
Website: Jenna Allen Design
STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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The script is flipped on the pastors' wives, as their friend, Janelle, interviews them about their friendship. Healthy friendships seem rare but aren't impossible. Listen in for advice and tips on finding and being the right kind of friend and for the story of Jenna, Jessica, and Stephanie's close bond.
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JESSICA:
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Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions
JENNA:
Instagram: @jennaallen, @jennaallendesign
Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
Website: Jenna Allen Design
STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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The pastors' wives chat with their friend, Matthew Sanchez. Matthew is a podcaster, photographer, and tech genius who serves on the creative team with Jenna at their church. He spent the day filming behind the scenes while Jenna, Jessica, and Stephanie recorded reels and podcast episodes. Since Matthew fit right in with their shenanigans, they had to have him on the podcast for an epic "Spill the Tea" episode!
Follow along with Matthew on Instagram:
@iammatthewsanchez, @msw.productions
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JESSICA:
Instagram: @jessica_taylor_83, @come_away_missions, @do_good_project__
Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions
JENNA:
Instagram: @jennaallen, @jennaallendesign
Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
Website: Jenna Allen Design
STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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The pastors' wives chat with their friend Chevas Phillips, a dynamic worship leader, wife, and mother. Chevas shares her unique testimony of redemption. She was once a wild child, unwilling to be tamed by anyone, a strong, independent woman by nature… but she didn’t know Jesus. Through her husband’s salvation after they were married and his consistent prayers and patience with her stubbornness, she eventually found Christ, and nothing has been the same since. Instead of spending her Saturday nights entertaining patrons in the bar through music, she leads her church in worship to Jesus on Sundays. Chevas reminds us that even messy, ugly pasts can be redeemed… and that even when we don’t fit in with the churchy women surrounding us, God still loves to use us!
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JESSICA:
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Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions
JENNA:
Instagram: @jennaallen, @jennaallendesign
Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
Website: Jenna Allen Design
STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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The pastors' wives dream about the launch of their book, Pastors' Wives Tell All: Navigating Real Church Life with Honesty and Humor. From launch dance parties to book signings, they have big plans!
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Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions
JENNA:
Instagram: @jennaallen, @jennaallendesign
Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
Website: Jenna Allen Design
STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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The pastors' wives answer all the questions you submitted earlier this year on social media. From handling division in the church to what jeans we love to wear, this episode is packed full of both serious and fun info.
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Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions
JENNA:
Instagram: @jennaallen, @jennaallendesign
Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
Website: Jenna Allen Design
STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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This Valentine's Day, the pastors' wives are excited about Galentine's parties and girl pal fun!
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JESSICA:
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Facebook: Come Away Missions, Do Good Project
Websites: Do Good Project, Come Away Missions
JENNA:
Instagram: @jennaallen, @jennaallendesign
Facebook: @JennaAllenDesign
Website: Jenna Allen Design
STEPHANIE:
Instagram: @msstephaniegilbert
Facebook: I Literally LOL
Website: Stephanie Gilbert
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