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Off-the-clockers, it's time to celebrate because Psychologists Off The Clock just hit 400 episodes! 🎉 For this special milestone episode, the cohosts wanted to pull back the curtain on the podcast: why we do it, how it’s changed our lives, behind-the-scenes blunders, keeping the podcast financially afloat, and the incredible friendships we’ve built along the way.
You all sent in questions for the team, and we’re answering them! Wondering how we choose guests or which co-host gets to interview which guest? We’re revealing it all. And as an extra treat, our podcast production manager, Jai, will be joining us to chat about editing, hilarious bloopers, memorable lessons and episodes, and give you a peek at what really happens in post-production.
And to close out the episode, we’re giving a huge shoutout to some of our amazing Patreon supporters who are helping us deliver the podcast ad-free and making it possible for us to continue bringing you great science-backed psychology content!
So please grab your favorite drink, hit play, and come celebrate with us!
Resources:
Cohost Books:
ACT Daily Journal by Debbie Sorensen: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781684037377
Autonomy-Supportive Parenting by Emily Edlynn: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781641709767
In Your Feels by Emily Edlynn: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781950785933
Imposter No More by Jill Stoddard: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781538724798
ACT for Burnout by Debbie Sorensen: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781839975370
Join our Patreon and enjoy our episode ad-free: https://www.patreon.com/offtheclockpsych
POTC episodes referenced in this episode:
368. Get Better at Anything with Scott Young
315. Hot & Bothered: Menopause with Jancee Dunn
176. Fair Play with Eve Rodsky
382. The Anxious Generation? The Conversation We Should Be Having About Kids, Technology, and Mental Health
393. Supercommunicators with Charles Duhigg
348. Sustainable Exercise with Michelle Segar
396. Public Speaking and TED Talks with Alina Nikolaou
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Get in contact with our Podcast Production Manager, Jai: jswpodcastassistant.com
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Balancing warmth with assertiveness can feel like an impossible juggling act—too soft, and you're overlooked; too strong, and you're “too much.”
Alison Fragale's book, Likable Badass: How Women Get the Success They Deserve, offers practical, research-backed strategies to help women excel at work and in life.
In this episode, you'll get to understand the science of power and status, self-promotion without the cringe, and overcoming gender biases with authenticity and confidence. We also include real-world challenges, making this discussion both insightful and refreshingly relatable.
Listen and Learn:
How power controls resources, but status shapes influence and why respect is the key to real authority
How women can play smart within unfair rules to spark real change
The science behind being a likable badass
Navigating the balance between assertiveness and warmth and finding your authentic style
Overcoming biases in social and professional settings
How to confidently share your wins without feeling boastful, while staying warm and relatable
Resources:
Alison’s Book: Likable Badass: How Women Get the Success They Deserve
Alison’s Website: alisonfragale.com
Connect with Alison on:
LinkedIn
Instagram
TikTok
Alison’s Substack: The Upper Hand with Alison Fragale
Alison’s Media Page: https://alisonfragale.com/media-research/
Alison’s Hidden Brain episode: https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/how-to-win-people-over/
My WorkLife with Adam Grant episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-secret-to-success-isnt-power-its-status/id1346314086?i=1000668204498
About Alison Fragale
Alison Fragale is the Mary Farley Ames Lee Distinguished Scholar of Organizational Behavior at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill Kenan-Flagler Business School. As a research psychologist, award-winning professor, international keynote speaker, and author, she is on a mission to help others — especially women — use behavioral science to work and live better. Her scholarship has been published in the most prestigious academic journals in her field and featured in prominent media outlets such as The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, Financial Times, Boston Globe, and Inc. Alison is the author of the national bestseller, LIKEABLE BADASS: How Women Get the Success They Deserve. She lives in Chicago with her husband and three children, who are all named after professional athletes.
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176. Fair Play with Eve Rodsky
185. Good Guys: Allies in the Workplace with Brad Johnson and David Smith
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Money impacts us all, whether it brings joy, stress, or confusion.
Chatting with Elizabeth Husserl, author of The Power of Enough and a financial advisor with a background in economics, spirituality, and psychology, we hear about finding joy in our relationship with money.
You'll learn about breaking free from the abundance-scarcity cycle and gain practical tools like the wealth mandala to help reshape your money mindset.
Elizabeth also teaches us how open communication can create healthier financial dynamics in families. Tune in for a fresh perspective on money as a tool for fulfillment and well-being!
Listen and Learn:
Redefining money as a social technology to change our relationship with wealth and well-being
How our relationship with money shapes our sense of wealth—and why capitalism gets it so wrong
How our bodies are wired for constant seeking, the tension of abundance vs. scarcity, and the shift to true fulfillment
Are you unknowingly using money to avoid deeper needs?
Breaking free from a scarcity mindset and finding the balance between spending, saving, and true fulfillment
How to find true satisfaction with money by discovering what truly nourishes your life
Ways to manage money intentionally by aligning resources with your most important needs
Breaking the taboo around money to transform your relationship to wealth and well-being
Resources:
● Books: The Power of Enough: Finding Joy in Your Relationship with Money: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781608689422
● Elizabeth's Website: http://www.elizabethhusserl.com
● Connect with Elizabeth on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabethhusserl
● Connect with Elizabeth on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elizabethhusserl/
About Elizabeth Husserl
Elizabeth Husserl is a registered investment advisor representative, financial advisor, highly sought-after speaker, and cofounder of Peak360 Wealth Management, a boutique wealth planning firm. She does nonprofit work throughout the Americas and has led workshops at major tech companies, including Airbnb, Unity, and Google. She lives in the San Francisco Bay Area with her husband and daughter.
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What is the recipe for developing deeper, more intimate relationships?
Breaking this all down in his new book, The Mindful Path to Intimacy, is couples therapist Dr. James Cordova, who talks to Yael about how true intimacy happens when vulnerability is met with warmth and acceptance and feeling safe being your real self with someone.
You’ll hear some eye-opening research, including his “relationship checkup” method and how marriage therapy has evolved to focus on both behavior and acceptance.
If you are looking for ways to strengthen your relationship emotionally and physically—such as staying mindful, paying attention to one another, sexual intimacy, and making check-ins a regular habit—James has some extremely practical suggestions for you!
Listen and Learn:
The true meaning of intimacy
Balancing change and acceptance in relationships
How can we stay open and kind when we hear something we don’t want to?
How mindfulness can transform intimacy
The power of vulnerability and compassion in the face of conflict and how understanding your partner leads to a deeper connection
Why our ancient instincts for self-protection clash with modern relationship needs
How relational flexibility can transform your relationships
How do daily hurts and unaddressed issues lead to distance in your relationship?
The role "marital checkups" play in keeping intimacy alive and preventing relationship drift
Why is sexual intimacy such a vulnerability trigger in relationships, and how can you address it?
Using the "stop, drop, and roll" practice to stay open and connected
Resources:
● Books:
The Mindful Path to Intimacy by James Cordova
Reconcilable Differences by Neil Jacobson, Andrew Christensen, and Brian Doss
● More About James:https://www.clarku.edu/faculty/profiles/james-cordova/
● Connect with James on Social Media
LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-cordova-1b803316a
Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/DrJamesCordova/
Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/jamesvcordova/
About James Cordova:
Dr. James Córdova is a professor at Clark University and a practicing couples therapist. Dr. Córdova’s work strives to better understand the processes that affect marital/couples health and deterioration, particularly those processes that promote greater relationship, mental and physical health. His work helps to build empirically testable approaches to therapy that foster intimacy, acceptance, and motivation for adopting healthy relational practices. Dr. Córdova’s current projects include (1) the Relationship Checkup, a relationship health checkup designed to help partners maintain healthy relationships for a lifetime, (2) observing the process of intimacy development in couples’ interactions, and (3) studying the role of emotional skillfulness in relationship health. He has a few terrific books including The Story of Mu, The Marital Check-Up, and his brand new book, The Mindful Path to Intimacy: Cultivating a Deeper Connection with Your Partner.
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Ever wondered what it takes to bring a TED talk to life? In this episode, Michael Herold has a conversation with Dr. Alina Nikolaou, a passionate TED event curator, who shares her insights about the exciting world of organizing TED and TEDx events.
They discuss the process of selecting speakers, the power of storytelling, and how to balance entertainment with information. Dr. Nikolaou offers valuable tips on public speaking, preparation rituals, and the experience of participating in TEDx.
You’ll also pick up tips on how to pitch a TEDx talk and ways to stay engaged with the TED community.
Listen and Learn:
The difference between TED and TEDx, and how these talks are bringing global ideas to local stages across the world
What it is really like to attend or organize a TEDx event—on stage, behind the scenes, and beyond
How are TEDx speakers chosen, coached, and prepared to deliver talks that leave a lasting impact?
How TEDx organizers curate the perfect lineup and ensure each talk flows
Even the weirdest ideas have a place at TEDx—how organizers craft the perfect lineup of talks
What happens behind the curtain before a TEDx talk?
How can speakers avoid awkwardness when transitioning from rehearsal to the stage?
What’s the secret to delivering a talk naturally—without memorizing every word like a script?
How to enliven a slide deck to captivate any audience
Tips for landing a TEDx talk
Resources:
TEDAI Vienna
TED.com
TEDx.com
Alina on LinkedIn
TEDAI on LinkedIn
Alina’s Website
Jill’s TEDx talk
Michael’s TEDx talk
Ted Talks The Official TED Guide to Public Speaking
About Dr. Alina Nikolaou
Dr. Alina Nikolaou is Director and Curator of TEDAI Vienna, the first TED event in Europe dedicated to groundbreaking ideas on Artificial Intelligence. Born to Greek and Austrian parents, Alina grew up during the financial crisis in Athens, Greece. After school, she moved to Vienna, Austria to graduate with degrees in Communication Science and Political Science. After a short and rather disenchanting journey into the world of advertising, Alina returned to academia for her doctoral research where she explored how Virtual Reality can affect how we think and behave toward complex sociopolitical issues. Her co-authored study about the influence of deepfakes on media trust and credibility won the award for Best Student Paper at the annual conference of the International Communication Science Association in 2023. Alina has held several courses at the University of Vienna, ranging from empirical research methods in the Social Sciences to Media History. In October 2023 she presented her research at AWE EU, the leading industry conference on mixed reality.
Constantly fascinated with the hypes, hopes and fears that surround new technologies, Alina has been a Curator at TEDxVienna since 2019. There she specialises on interdisciplinary ideas about tech, philosophy and power, and brings them to life in the form of TEDx Talks.
To deal with how miraculous and ridiculous the world is she constantly experiments with different artforms: A regular on Vienna’s storytelling stages, Alina is known for her criticisms on capitalism, her borderline anarchist stance and her absurdist humor. Her most recent appearance was at the Rote Bar at Volkstheater, Vienna. Alina is also the creator of the (so far unsuccessful) dadaist Bring Back Boredom movement and the far more successful event format “Poetry Society Vienna”.
Alina holds a Bakk.phil, MSc and Dr.phil. in Communication Science as well as a BA in Political Science from the University of Vienna, Austria.
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Being neurodivergent isn’t a flaw or a superpower—it’s just a different way of experiencing the world.
To discuss the topic of neurodivergence, Debbie is joined by clinical psychologist Jennifer Kemp to talk about her new workbook, The Neurodivergence Skills Workbook for Autism and ADHD: Cultivate Self-Compassion, Live Authentically, and Be Your Own Advocate, created specifically for autistic people and ADHDers.
They explore themes from Jennifer’s book like what it means to receive a late diagnosis, why neurodiversity-affirming practices matter, and the real challenges (and stigma) that come with being neurodivergent. Plus, you’ll pick up insight into the power of self-compassion and why it’s essential for thriving in life—not just surviving.
Join us for this meaningful discussion on how understanding and accommodating neurodivergent behaviors can make a world of difference, whether in the workplace, relationships, or everyday life.
Listen and Learn:
How does embracing neurodivergence without over-simplifying the "superpower" narrative lead to healing?
Crafting a neurodiversity-affirming workbook to help autistic and ADHD individuals thrive
How code-switching, masking, and societal expectations fuel burnout
Masking, eye contact struggles, and mental burnout in neurodivergence
Why self-compassion and creative self-care are essential tools for navigating burnout, anxiety, and social overwhelm
Practical tips for setting boundaries, asking for accommodations, and embracing self-compassion
What changes could make life easier for autistic kids and how parents can break stigma
Resources:
● Books:
The Neurodivergence Skills Workbook for Autism and ADHD: Cultivate Self-Compassion, Live Authentically, and Be Your Own Advocate.
How to Keep House While Drowning: A Gentle Approach to Cleaning and Organizing
Unmasking Autism: The Power of Embracing Our Hidden Neurodiversity
● Website: https://jenniferkemp.com.au/
● Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-kemp-b6148b
● Connect on X: https://www.twitter.com/jenniferkemp2
● Connect on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Adelaide-Behaviour-Therapy-267123166960864
● Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jennifer.kemp.psych
About Jennifer Kemp
BSc(Psych)Hons, MPsych(Clinical), GradDipApplSc(Psychology of Coaching) Adjunct lecturer, University of Adelaide
Jennifer Kemp is a privately practicing Clinical Psychologist based in Adelaide. Using a neurodiversity-affirming approach, Jennifer weaves together acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT), behavioral and compassion-focused approaches with her own lived experience of neurodivergence to help her clients improve their mental health and develop greater self-compassion, self-acceptance, and pride in their neurodivergent identity. Jennifer is the co-author of “The Neurodivergent Skills Workbook for Autism and ADHD: Cultivate Self-Compassion, Live Authentically, and Be Your Own Advocate” and author of “The ACT Workbook for Perfectionism: Build Your Best (Imperfect) Life Using Powerful Acceptance & Commitment Therapy and Self-Compassion Skills.”
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367. ADHD in Adulthood with Michaela Thomas
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https://offtheclockpsych.com/230-the-laziness-lie/
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Some of the worst kinds of abuse happen right in front of us—often hidden behind love, care, and even medicine.
In this episode, Jill sits down with returning guest Andrea Dunlop and her co-author and colleague Mike Weber to talk about their book, The Mother Next Door: Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy. Munchausen by Proxy (MBP) is a disturbing form of medical child abuse, which we have covered on the podcast before, where a caregiver—usually a mother—makes a child sick or pretends they are, all for attention and sympathy.
Andrea, a podcast host and expert on MBP, and Mike, a seasoned law enforcement officer with years of experience in child abuse cases, highlighted what they’ve learned from investigating these heartbreaking stories.
They explain why these cases are so hard to catch, the legal system’s challenges in prosecuting perpetrators, and the chilling similarities between MBP and child sexual abuse.
And make sure to stick around until the end of the episode, where Jill and Emily wrap up with a debrief about the emotional toll of confronting such tough realities.
Listen and Learn:
The shocking truth of Munchausen by Proxy and its hidden dynamics
The similarities between Munchausen by Proxy and child sexual abuse and the deep manipulation at play
How skilled manipulators exploit medical systems and doctors' blind spots to hide abuse.
Why even law enforcement, judges, and doctors might fail to recognize this devastating abuse
Why are false accusations often believed more than the reality of underreported child abuse cases?
Why is it so hard to accept that abuse can happen in 'good' families, and how can we spot it?
How Andrea and Mike keep fighting when the system fails abused children
Resources:
Book: The Mother Next Door: Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy
Andrea’s Podcast: https://www.nobodyshouldbelieveme.com/
Andrea’s Website: https://www.andreadunlop.net/
Connect with Andrea on Social Media:
IG: https://www.instagram.com/andreadunlop/?hl=en
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@andrea.dunlop?lang=en
Mike’s Website: https://www.mikeweberconsulting.com/
About Andrea Dunlop
Andrea Dunlop is the author of four novels, including She Regrets Nothing and Women Are the Fiercest Creatures, and the host and creator of Nobody Should Believe Me, an award-winning investigative true crime podcast about Munchausen by proxy. Andrea is the founder of Munchausen Support, the nation’s only non-profit dedicated to supporting survivors and families affected by MBP, and a member of the American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children’s MBP committee, where she serves alongside the country’s foremost experts. She lives in Seattle with her husband and two children.
About Mike Weber
Mike Weber has forty years of law enforcement experience, including fifteen years as a crimes against children investigator. Detective Weber has consulted with numerous police agencies and district attorney’s offices nationally on cases of medical child abuse, and was awarded the 2016 NCMEC Texas Hero for Children Award. He currently lives and works in Fort Worth.
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Ever had a conversation that just clicked—where you felt truly heard and understood? What if you could create that kind of connection more often?
Best-selling author Charles Duhigg joins Debbie in a conversation about his latest book, Supercommunicators: How to Unlock the Secret Language of Connection.
Discover the psychology of great conversations, the power of reciprocal vulnerability, and easy strategies for handling difficult conversations without losing control as we break down what makes some people exceptional communicators and how we can all cultivate those abilities in our daily lives.
Whether your goal is to improve your listening skills, build stronger relationships, or simply feel more comfortable in social settings, this episode is full of ideas to help you connect more deeply.Listen and Learn:
How "Supercommunicators" master connection
The recipe for instant connection and how small shifts in communication can turn strangers into friends
The Matching Principle and how syncing conversation types can help strengthen your relationships and connections
Why mastering communication is key to lifelong well-being and how stronger connections can lead you to lasting happiness.
How you can use the "matching principle" with your own partner to create deeper, more connected conversations
Tips for asking deep questions to help you connect more meaningfully and move beyond small talk
Shifting control in conflicts to create teamwork and healthier relationships
How quiet negotiations can transform tougher conversations into mutual understanding
Resources:
Charles’ Website: https://www.charlesduhigg.com/
Charles’ Book: Supercommunicators: How to Unlock the Secret Language of Connection
Connect with Charles on Socials:
https://twitter.com/cduhigg
https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlesduhigg/
https://www.instagram.com/charlesduhigg/
https://www.facebook.com/charlesduhigg
Yael’s Washington Post article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2024/04/19/couples-conversation-communications-understanding-problem-solving/
About Charles Duhigg
A graduate of Yale University and Harvard Business School, Charles is a Pulitzer prize-winning journalist and the author of The Power of Habit, which spent over three years on bestseller lists and has been translated into 40 languages, Supercommunicators, also a bestseller published in 2024, and Smarter Faster Better, a third bestseller. Mr. Duhigg writes for The New Yorker magazine and previously wrote for The New York Times.
Charles led the New York Times team that won the 2013 Pulitzer prize in explanatory journalism for “The iEconomy,” a series that examined the global economy through the lens of Apple. That series included examinations of such topics as the factories in China where iPhones and iPads are manufactured.
Charles has also received The George Polk award, the Gerald Loeb award, the Investigative Reporters and Editors Medal, the Scripps Howard National Journalism award, the Robert F. Kennedy Journalism Award, and other honors.
While a reporter at the Los Angeles Times, Charles reported from Iraq about American military operations. Today, Charles writes for The New Yorker magazine.
Before becoming a full-time journalist in 2003, Charles worked as an analyst for American Property Global Partners, a private equity firm and co-founded SWPA Education Management Group, L.L.C., which developed education programs for medically underserved areas.
He was also, for one terrifying day in 1999, a bike messenger in San Francisco.
He lives in California with his wife and two children.
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Tired of all the fighting over politics and morality? For this episode, we’re tackling moral outrage with Kurt Gray, a psychology professor and author of Outraged: Why We Fight about Morality and Politics and How to Find Common Ground. You’ll learn why we get so caught up in right vs. wrong, how to better understand what’s driving people’s fears and motivations, and how to connect—even when you don’t agree. Plus, you’ll get practical tips to manage your own outrage and have more empathetic conversations.
Listen and Learn:
The surprising key to bridging divides in relationships, even amidst deep moral disagreements
How morality evolved to balance selfish instincts with the need for cooperation in groups
How morality’s protective instincts can backfire, dividing us in groups and personal relationships
Do cultural norms and deeper perceptions of harm shape our moral judgments and conflicts?
Why does understanding the "other side" feel like betrayal—and what happens when both sides feel victimized?
How moral typecasting shapes our views, seeing ourselves as victims and others as villains
The complexity of human behavior and how even the most "evil" figures can have a backstory.
How motivated reasoning can shape our political views and blur our judgment in conflict
Embracing vulnerability and asking deeper questions to transform tough conversations
Resources:
● Books:
Outraged: Why We Fight About Morality and Politics and How to Find Common Ground
Doppelganger by Naomi Klein
The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein
Article: Should an affair be disclosed? by Yael
● Website: https://www.kurtjgray.com/
● Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurtjgray/
● Connect on X: https://x.com/kurtjgray
● Connect on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kurtjgray
● Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kurtjgray/
About Kurt Gray
Kurt Gray is a Professor in Psychology and Neuroscience at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he directs the Deepest Beliefs Lab and the Center for the Science of Moral Understanding. And is the author of Outraged: Why We Fight About Morality and Politics and How to Find Common Ground.
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What if the very thing keeping you from deep, meaningful friendships is the fear of being your true, imperfect self?
This week Michael sits down with Jess Johnston for a chat about authenticity, friendship, and overcoming the fear of rejection. They dive into themes for her book, Perfect Is Boring (and It Tastes Like Kale): Finding Belonging and Purpose Without Changing Who You Are, which offers a refreshing take on embracing who you are while finding your place in the world.
Together, they explore the ups and downs of adult friendships, including letting down your guard to create real bonds. Jess’s relatable stories and practical tips make it easy to see how consistency, courage, and even a little awkwardness can lead to meaningful relationships.
If you’ve ever felt like perfection gets in the way of connection, this conversation is perfect for you.
Listen and Learn:
Jess’ off-grid childhood that sparked her love for writing and how those experiences shaped her perspective on connection
The tension between performance and authenticity in your friendships and the courage to be rea
What are the profound differences between belonging and fitting in?
What does it really mean to be authentic?
Awkward moments forge deeper connections—why embracing imperfection matters in your relationships and life
The surprising power of intentionality and courage in building your adult friendships
Why the fear of rejection is key to building meaningful friendships
Resources:
Book: Perfect Is Boring (and It Tastes Like Kale): Finding Belonging and Purpose Without Changing Who You Are: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9780593728246
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jessmariejohnston/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jessjohnstonwonderoak/
Website: https://wonderoak.com/
About Jess Johnston
Jess Johnston lives in Southern California with her husband and four kids, who are the loves of her life. She is an Enneagram Seven and is enthusiastic about everything—but especially people, travel, and sauces. Jess’s writing makes you feel like you’re sitting cross-legged on her couch in your cozy pants while sharing hearts and drinking coffee. She is the co-author of the Wall Street Journal bestseller I’ll Be There (But I’ll Be Wearing Sweatpants) and has been a top contributor to publications such as HuffPost, Scary Mommy, and Motherly.
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Raising strong, confident girls in today’s world isn’t always easy, and this episode is here to help. Dr. Jo-Ann Finkelstein chats with Dr. Emily Edlynn about her book, Sexism & Sensibility: Raising Empowered, Resilient Girls in the Modern World, and dives into how we can support girls as they face things like cultural pressures, objectification, and the subtle sexism that still lingers.
They share real, practical tips on helping girls think critically, find their voices, and navigate the media they’re exposed to. If you’re a parent, caregiver, or just someone who wants to make a positive difference, this conversation is full of valuable insights you won’t want to miss.
Listen and Learn:
Exploring the inspiration behind Sexism and Sensibility
How societal norms shape women's voices and learn how Jo-Ann’s book helps shift the narrative
Progress and pitfalls: The dualities of feminism and girls' empowerment in modern culture
How beauty culture, Eurocentric ideals, and self-objectification steal women’s power and potential
A parental guide to empowering your kids to combat self-objectification
The social dynamics that shape girls' voices and confidence, and why it's crucial for parents to intervene
How can fathers empower their daughters to speak up while protecting them from societal biases?
Resources:
Book: Sexism & Sensibility: Raising Empowered, Resilient Girls in the Modern World: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9780593581162
Website: https://www.joannfinkelstein.com/
Substack: https://joannfinkelstein.substack.com/
Connect on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@joannfinkelstein.phd
Connect on X: https://x.com/finkeljo?lang=en
Connect on Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/100086974203277/
Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joannfinkelstein.phd/
About Jo-Ann Finkelstein:
Jo-Ann Finkelstein, PhD, is a clinical psychologist and the author of Sexism & Sensibility: Raising Empowered, Resilient Girls in the Modern World. She was educated at Harvard University and Northwestern University and now maintains a private clinical practice. An expert blogger for Psychology Today, her work has been highlighted in The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Harvard Business Review, Oprah Daily, and CNN, among others. Her writing has appeared in The Washington Post, Ms., Your Teen, and other publications. Dr. Finkelstein serves on the Advisory Board for Stop Sexual Assault in Schools. She lives in Chicago, Illinois.
Related Episodes:
381. Reimagining Boyhood with Ruth Whippman
369. Good News About Adolescence with Ellen Galinsky
337. Puberty Is Awkward with Cara Natterson and Vanessa Kroll Bennett
332. Middle School Superpowers with Phyllis Fagell
317. Growing Up in Public with Devorah Heitner
290. Shared Sisterhood: Collective Action for Racial and Gender Equity at Work with Tina Opie and Beth Livingston
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Ever feel like your workplace is a mix of different worlds, with each generation bringing its own style, perspective, and expectations? For our second episode of the year, Dr. Michelle Quist Ryder, CEO of the American Psychological Foundation, joins us to talk about how Baby Boomers to Gen Z can navigate work together.
From remote work shifts to work-life balance expectations, you’ll come away with new knowledge on supporting each other across generations and creating healthier, more productive workplaces. If bridging generational gaps feels tricky, this episode offers practical tips to make it easier.
Listen and Learn:
Why generational gaps in values and tech create workplace challenges
Understanding generational anxiety and why adapting workplace culture unlocks success for everyone
Are return-to-office mandates sparking workplace crises, and how can companies adapt post-pandemic?
How self-determination theory can unlock happier workplaces and fix toxic job cultures
Can bridging generational differences in work values create healthier, more adaptable workplaces?
Does turning your passion into a career kill your creativity, and how can you avoid that trap?
Resources:
● Website: https://ampsychfdn.org/about/apf-team/
● Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-quist-ryder
● Connect on X: https://twitter.com/mquistryder
About Michelle Quist Ryder
Dr. Michelle Quist Ryder is a social psychologist, research professional, and the CEO of the American Psychological Foundation, an organization that leverages the power of philanthropy to invest in research and advance psychological knowledge. Dr. Quist Ryder has an extensive background in human-centric organizational design, effective DEI practices, and leveraging psychology to solve critical societal issues.
Related Episodes:
176. Fair Play with Eve Rodsky
206. Fair Play Part 2 with Eve Rodsky
274. Quarterlife
299. Leadership and the Changing Workplace with Chris Shipley
303. Both/And Thinking with Marianne Lewis
333. How Work Works with Michelle P. King
347. Job Changes & Career Pivots with Paula Brand
352.Twentysomethings with Meg Jay
338. ACT for Burnout
357. Is Your Work Worth It? How to Think About Meaningful Work with Jennifer Tosti-Kharas and Christopher Wong Michaelson
374. Developing and Deepening Connections with Adam Dorsay
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Kick off the New Year with us in this special cohosted POTC episode! We've got a MAJOR announcement for 2025, and we're also chatting about the ups and downs of decision-making—all backed by psychology. We're also reflecting on our 2024 highlights, sharing what we're all hoping for in the new year, and talking about how community, flexibility, and staying true to your values play into making some of life’s tough choices. Plus, we’re giving you a sneak peek at what’s coming up on the podcast this year, including some awesome insights on relationship science and our personal goals for the future.Our exciting POTC New Year announcementDecision-making and understanding psychological flexibilityHow acceptance and commitment therapy can be applied when making decisions Making values-driven decisions and the importance of community and connectionCohost 2024 reflections and highlightsAbout Emily Edlynn Emily (she/her) is a licensed clinical psychologist specializing in pediatric health psychology who works in private practice with children, teens, and adults. She has a BA in English from Smith College, a PhD in clinical psychology from Loyola University Chicago, and completed postgraduate training at Stanford and Children’s Hospital Orange County. Emily spent almost ten years working in children’s hospitals before pivoting to private practice, which allowed her to start a writing career. Emily has written her blog, The Art and Science of Mom, since 2017 and a parenting advice column for Parents.com since 2019.About Debbie Sorenson Debbie (she/her) is a clinical psychologist in private practice in Denver, Colorado with a bachelor’s degree in Psychology and Anthropology from the University of Colorado, Boulder, and a Ph.D. in Psychology from Harvard University. She is author of the upcoming book ACT for Burnout: Recharge, Reconnect, and Transform Burnout with Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, and co-author of ACT Daily Journal: Get Unstuck and Live Fully with Acceptance and Commitment Therapy. She loves living in Colorado, her home state, with her husband, two daughters, and dog.About Jill Stoddard Jill Stoddard is passionate about sharing science-backed ideas from psychology to help people thrive. She is a psychologist, writer, TEDx speaker, award-winning teacher, peer-reviewed ACT trainer, and co-host of the popular Psychologists Off the Clock podcast. Dr. Stoddard is the author of three books: The Big Book of ACT Metaphors: A Practitioner’s Guide to Experiential Exercises and Metaphors in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy; Be Mighty: A Woman’s Guide to Liberation from Anxiety, Worry, and Stress Using Mindfulness and Acceptance; and Imposter No More: Overcome Self-doubt and Imposterism to Cultivate a Successful Career. Her writing has also appeared in Psychology Today, Scary Mommy, Thrive Global, The Good Men Project, and Mindful Return. She regularly appears on podcasts and as an expert source for various media outlets. She lives in Newburyport, MA with her husband, two kids, and disobedient French Bulldog. About Michael Herold Michael (he/him) is a confidence trainer and social skills coach, based in Vienna, Austria. He’s helping his clients overcome their social anxiety through Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and fun exposure exercises. (Though the jury is still out on whether they’re mostly fun for him). He is also a certified therapeutic game master, utilizing the Dungeons&Dragons tabletop roleplaying game to train communication, assertiveness, and teamwork with young adults. Or actually, anyone ready to roll some dice and battle goblins in a supportive group where players want to level up (pun!) their social skills. Michael is the head coach of the L.A. based company The Art of Charm, running their confidence-building program “Unstoppable” as well as workshops on small talk, storytelling, vulnerability, and more.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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As we turn the page to a new year, we’re excited to release this episode as a special gift to help you start 2025 on the right foot. Let’s face it—after the chaos and unpredictability of the past few years, many of us are craving positive change and looking for guidance on how to make it stick. Self-help has surged in popularity, but not all resources are created equal. That’s why we’re bringing back a conversation with Katy Milkman, author of How to Change, to cut through the noise and share strategies backed by science.
In this compassionate and inspiring episode, Katy and Jill dive into actionable tools to help you create lasting change, whether it’s breaking old habits or starting fresh. Katy’s expertise has guided organizations like Google, the U.S. Department of Defense, and Walmart, and now she’s sharing her wisdom with you.
Tune in to learn why making New Year’s resolutions isn’t just tradition—it can actually be a powerful tool for transformation when done right. Together, let’s set the stage for a brighter, more intentional year ahead.
Listen and Learn:
Jill and Yael’s personal experiences with self-help books—what’s worked and what hasn’t
Katy’s advice on which behaviors to focus on first for meaningful change
Practical tips to help you tackle impulsive behaviors today
How Katy’s book inspired real change in Jill’s daily life (her gums are a fan!)
Why one-size-fits-all solutions fail and how to find the strategies that work for you
The science behind readiness for change and why timing matters
A fresh take on New Year’s resolutions and how to make them stick
Resources:
Grab a copy of Katy’s book, How to Change: The Science of Getting From Where You Are to Where You Want to Be
Sign up for Katy’s newsletter here
About Katy Milkman:
Katy Milkman is the James G. Dinan Professor at The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, host of Charles Schwab’s popular behavioral economics podcast Choiceology, and the former president of the international Society for Judgment and Decision Making. She is the co-founder and co-director of the Behavior Change for Good Initiative, a research center with the mission of advancing the science of lasting behavior change whose work is being chronicled by Freakonomics Radio. Over the course of her career, she has worked with or advised dozens of organizations on how to spur positive change, including Google, the U.S. Department of Defense, the American Red Cross, 24 Hour Fitness, Walmart and Morningstar. An award-winning scholar and teacher, Katy writes frequently about behavioral science for major media outlets such as The Washington Post, The New York Times, USA Today, and Scientific American. Her bestselling book How to Change: The Science of Getting From Where You are to Where You Want to Be is now available. She earned her undergraduate degree from Princeton University (summa cum laude), where she studied Operations Research and American Studies and her PhD from Harvard University where, she studied Computer Science and Business.
Related Episodes:
Episode 200. Growing Grit with Angela Duckworth
Episode 43. Willpower With Kelly McGonigal
Episode 132. The Joy Of Movement With Kelly McGonigal
Episode 34. Strengths, Goal Setting, and Grit with Alexis Karris Bachik
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Parental stress has been declared a public health crisis by the U.S. Surgeon General—and it’s a conversation we all need to have. In this episode, Emily sits down with Debbie and our dear friend and guest Yael Schonbrun, a clinical psychologist and author of Work, Parent, Thrive, to explore what’s behind the overwhelming stress so many parents are feeling and, more importantly, what we can do about it.
We’re talking about all the things that pile up: money worries, the constant rush, and that pressure to “do it all.” Plus, we dive into what parental burnout actually is (and why it’s not your fault) and share simple, science-backed tips to make life a little easier.
This isn’t just about managing parental stress—it’s about showing up for yourself and your kids in a healthier, more sustainable way. If you’ve ever felt like you’re drowning in the demands of parenting, this episode is for you. It’s a conversation that matters—and one that can truly make a difference.
Listen and Learn:
What is parental stress, why it matters, and how we can lighten the load together?
How can we turn overwhelming parental stress into something manageable?
Parenting burnout is skyrocketing—what’s fueling it, and how can we reclaim balance in modern life?
The pressures of modern parenting, how to find balance and break free from the stress.
How working parents can shift from feeling torn between roles to using tension for enrichment
What are the causes and consequences of parental burnout, and how driving awareness can help
Why your well-being as a parent is crucial for your child's mental health, yet it's often overlooked—and learn how to break this unhelpful cycle
How self-compassion and mindful check-ins can help ease your burnout and stress in daily life
Supporting your child's autonomy to reduce parental burnout and strengthen your connections
Resources:
Yael’s website: https://www.yaelschonbrun.com/
Connect with Yael on socials:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/yael-schonbrun-a26a5229/
http://x.com/DrYaelSchonbrun
http://instagram.com/yaelschonbrun/
Our Substack Q&A, Is Parent Stress Breaking News? Three Clinical Psychologists Discuss the Surgeon General’s New Advisory: https://emilyedlynn.substack.com/p/is-parent-stress-breaking-news
About Yael Schonbrun
Yael Schonbrun is a clinical psychologist, assistant professor at Brown University, author of Work, Parent, Thrive: 12 Science-Backed Strategies to Ditch Guilt, Manage Overwhelm, and Grow Connection (When Everything Feels Like too Much), past Psychologists Off the Clock co-host, and parent of three. In her research, private practice, and writing, Yael draws on science, philosophy, and clinical practices to share practices proven to foster healthier relationships between partners, parents and children, and between our most important life roles. Yael is a frequent contributor to The Washington Post and her writing on work, parenting, and relationships has appeared in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Greater Good Science Center, Behavioral Scientist, Tricycle, among others.
Related Episodes:
306. Screaming on the Inside: The Challenges of American Motherhood with Jessica Grose
319. Autonomy-Supportive Parenting with the AMAZING Emily Edlynn
275. Work, Parent, Thrive with Yael Schonbrun
338. ACT for Burnout with Debbie!
146. Parental Burnout with Lisa Coyne
382. The Anxious Generation? The Conversation We Should Be Having About Kids, Technology, and Mental Health
379. Toxic Striving with Paula Freedman-Diamond
https://offtheclockpsych.com/be-mighty/
121. Be Mighty: An Episode for Stressed Out, Worried Women with Jill Stoddard
267. You are Not a Horrible Parent with Carla Naumburg
211. Subtract with Leidy Klotz
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Life can feel so overwhelming sometimes, especially with the nonstop pace of the modern world. But what if you learned to embrace the messiness that comes with life and concentrated more on what really matters to you rather than attempting to control everything?
Building on the themes from his previous bestseller, Four Thousand Weeks: Time Management for Mortals, Michael is joined by returning guest Oliver Burkeman to break down his new book, Meditations for Mortals: Four Weeks to Embrace Your Limitations and Make Time for What Counts.
Oliver and Michael dig into key ideas, such as the limits of control, the traps of overachievement and information overload, and how to face life challenges with a proactive, value-driven mindset. You'll love Oliver’s powerful metaphors, like navigating a kayak instead of steering a superyacht, which really brings home the beauty of going with life’s flow while staying grounded and intentional. This is an incredible resource that offers daily insights designed to inspire action, so join us for this empowering conversation and start your journey of embracing imperfection and living a more meaningful life.
Listen and Learn:
Oliver’s philosophy behind 'Meditations for Mortals'
The Evolution from 4,000 Weeks to Meditations for Mortals
Embracing the concept of imperfectionism by being finite, taking action, letting go and showing up
Embracing life’s chaos with the kayak vs. superyacht metaphor
The insecure overachiever and learning to break free from productivity guilt
Dealing with the overflow of information and discerning what truly deserves your attention
The paradox of life's endless problems and the freedom found in embracing them
How to apply imperfectionism in your daily life
Balancing empathy with boundaries and why other people's problems aren’t yours to solve
Resources:
Oliver’s books:
Meditations for Mortals: Four Weeks to Embrace Your Limitations and Make Time for What Counts
Four Thousand Weeks: Time Management for Mortals
Oliver’s Website: https://www.oliverburkeman.com/
Connect with Oliver on X: @oliverburkeman
About Oliver Burkeman
Oliver Burkeman is the author of the Sunday Times bestselling Four Thousand Weeks and The Antidote, and for many years wrote a popular weekly column on psychology for the Guardian, 'This Column Will Change Your Life'. His work has also appeared in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Psychologies, and New Philosopher.
Related Episodes
242. Four Thousand Weeks: Time Management with Oliver Burkeman
257. The Gift of Being Ordinary with Ron Siegel
321. Imposter No More with Jill Stoddard
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What if we started seeing grief as a form of trauma—could it help us make sense of the confusing ways our mind and body react to loss?
In this conversation, Debbie sits down with Meghan Riordan Jarvis, a psychotherapist who’s spent her life helping people navigate the heartbreak of loss. She’s here to talk about her new book, Can Anyone Tell Me? Essential Questions About Grief and Loss, and to share her personal and research-based wisdom on this tender subject.
We look into the messy, complicated emotions that grief can bring—like anger, guilt, regret, and anxiety—and Megan offers simple, meaningful ways to cope. We also tackle the bigger picture: why we need more honest conversations about death and how we can show up better for each other in times of loss.
We hope you’ll join us for this meaningful conversation that might just give you a little clarity, hope, and comfort wherever you, or even the loved ones you are supporting, are on your grief journey.
Listen and Learn:
Why grief education is key to feeling less alone, less afraid, and truly understood
How we can reconnect in the face of profound loss
Loss, grief, and mourning: uncovering the nuanced definitions and how they shape our healing journeys
How Meghan’s two very contrasting losses shaped her approach to grief and healing
The varying emotions of grief and why anger and anxiety might be more common than expected
The shifting waves of loss, unexpected triggers, and lasting connections
The idea of signs from loved ones
Could the signs we receive from loved ones beyond death be more than just coincidence?
Resources:
Can Anyone Tell Me?: Essential Questions about Grief and Loss: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781649632593
Meghan’s Website: https://meghanriordanjarvis.com/
Connect with Meghan on:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meghan-riordan-jarvis-ma-licsw-071051142
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/griefismysidehustle/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/meghan.riordan.jarvis/?hl=en
Books Meghan mentioned in the episode:
The Grieving Brain: The Surprising Science of How We Learn from Love and Loss by Mary-Frances O’Connor: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9780062946249
How Emotions Are Made, by Lisa Feldman Barrett: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781328915436
Permission to Feel by Marc Brackett: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781250212832
Anxiety: The Missing Stage of Grief: A Revolutionary Approach to Understanding and Healing the Impact of Loss by Claire Bidwell Smith: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9780738234786
Grief Works: Stories of Life, Death, and Surviving (A Practical Guide to Grief and Loss) by Julia Samuel: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781501181542
About Meghan Riordan Jarvis
Meghan Riordan Jarvis, MA, LCSW, is a podcast host, TEDx speaker, and trauma-trained psychotherapist specializing in grief and loss. With 20 years of experience, she speaks on the importance of understanding grief and supporting grievers. Meghan hosts the popular blog and podcast Grief Is My Side Hustle and offers a free writing workshop, Grief Mates. She is founder of the Grief Mentor Method: Six Core Concepts to Creating a Personalized Grief Process and is the author of End of the Hour, a memoir on trauma, loss, and healing. Her new book is called Can Anyone Tell Me? Essential Questions about Grief and Loss.
Related episodes:
117. Bearing Unbearable Loss: A conversation About Grief with Joanne Cacciatore
356. Navigating the Challenges of Caregiving with Allison Applebaum
354. A Family Guide to Dementia with Brent Forester
183. Permission to Feel: Emotional Intelligence with Marc Brackett
309. The Language of Emotions with Karla McLaren
216. Managing Anger and Irritability, Featuring Russell Kolts
320. Anger and Forgiveness with Robyn Walser
341. Self-Forgiveness with Grant Dewar
291. Finding Freedom From Regret with Robert Leahy
118. Moral Injury and Shame with Lauren Borges and Jacob Farnsworth
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How can you begin to heal from complex PTSD?
In this episode, Jill sits down with Stephanie Foo to explore her memoir, What My Bones Know: A Memoir of Healing from Complex Trauma, a deeply personal account of her healing journey through complex PTSD (CPTSD). Stephanie shares what it’s like to carry the weight of complex trauma, offering insights into how you can begin to heal too.
Through her story and experience, you’ll learn how CPTSD differs from PTSD and why understanding those differences can help you (or someone you love) feel less alone. Stephanie opens up about her therapy journey—EMDR, yoga, and meditation—and how relationships and community became her anchors in the storm.
Whether you’re a therapist, someone walking your own healing path, or supporting a loved one, this conversation is full of wisdom and practical advice to inspire hope and compassion.
Listen and Learn:
Meet Stephanie and find out why she wrote What My Bones Know, a memoir about healing from complex trauma.
Understand what makes CPTSD different from PTSD and how that knowledge can help you or someone you love.
How writing and creativity can be powerful tools for processing trauma and finding meaning.
The role of community, relationships, and support in recovering from trauma.
The complexities of abusive relationships and how they shape the healing journey.
Practical therapeutic methods like EMDR, yoga, and meditation, and why they worked for Stephanie.
How social support can make therapy more effective and healing more sustainable.
The importance of facing suicidal thoughts with connection and support from loved ones.
How journalism and purpose helped Stephanie move forward after trauma.
How to begin your own healing journey and the three key elements that helped Stephanie recover from complex trauma.
How therapists can create compassionate, validating spaces for clients dealing with trauma.
Resources:
What My Bones Know: A Memoir of Healing from Complex Trauma
Official Website: Stephanie Foo
Facebook: Stephanie Foo on Facebook
Twitter: @stephaniefoooo on Twitter
Instagram: @foofoofoo on Instagram
About Stephanie Foo
Stephanie Foo is the NYT Bestselling author of What My Bones Know: A Memoir of Healing from Complex Trauma. She has written for Vox and The New York Times. She worked as a radio producer for This American Life and Snap Judgment, and her stories aired on Reply All, 99% Invisible, and Radiolab. A noted speaker and instructor, she has taught at Columbia University and has spoken at venues from the Sundance Film Festival to the Missouri Department of Mental Health.
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271. Cultivating Friendships in Adulthood Featuring Adam Dorsay
309. The Language of Emotions with Karla McLaren
325. Unseen, Unheard, Undervalued with Janina Scarlet
345. Writing for Personal Growth with Maureen Murdock
355. What is EMDR with Jamie Marich
360. The Laws of Connection with David Robson
374. Developing and Deepening Connections with Adam Dorsay
376. The Art of Therapy with Michael Alcee
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In this very special roundtable episode of Psychologists Off the Clock, our cohosts Debbie Sorenson and Emily Edlynn gather a panel of experts—including Tracy Dennis-Tiwary, Ellen Galinsky, and Devorah Heitner—to discuss an issue many parents face today: the impact of smartphones and social media on children’s mental health.
Bringing their unique perspectives together, they look at the often-alarmist messages surrounding technology use in youth, offering a balanced and hopeful perspective rooted in evidence-based science and field and personal experience.
Some of the key topics they talk about include addressing parental stress around technology, shifting from rigid monitoring to supportive mentoring, and how cultivating digital literacy and independence in our children.
Please tune in for thoughtful, evidence-based strategies that prioritize your children’s well-being and growth and reassure you that healthy digital citizenship is within reach without having to resort to fear-based tactics.
Listen and Learn:
Meet the experts - Emily Edlynn, Tracy Dennis-Tiwary, Ellen Galinsky, and Devorah Heitner
What are the effects of alarmist tech narratives?
How do extreme views impact youth mental health?
Lessons from public health campaigns on tech use
Parents and community roles in digital literacy: How can we work together?
Navigating the pressures of intensive parenting around tech
Understanding the complex link between tech and mental health
What science really says about technology’s impact on kids
Recognizing data cherry-picking in tech research
Teen suicide and the importance of careful data interpretation
Key findings from the National Academy on social media
How do teens really feel about tech?
Harnessing positive peer influence on tech habits
The critical role of sleep in teen well-being
School tech policies: What can parents do?
Ways to involve kids in creating tech solutions
How fear-based messaging affects kids
Parental roles: Monitoring vs. mentoring
Building executive function skills through balanced tech use
Resources:
Tracy’s New York Times review of The Anxious Generation: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/26/books/review/jonathan-haidt-the-anxious-generation.htm
Devorah’s Newsweek article: https://www.newsweek.com/everyone-wants-save-children-social-media-what-about-rest-us-opinion-1922435
Emily’s debate with Jonathan Haidt:
You can watch it in its entirety here or this clip on YouTube.
And you can follow the story of her participation in the debate on her Substack newsletter here https://emilyedlynn.substack.com/p/david-meet-goliath and here https://emilyedlynn.substack.com/p/sextortionist-rings-and-other-fear
The Surgeon General’s advisory on Parental stress: https://www.hhs.gov/surgeongeneral/priorities/parents/index.html
A commentary by Emily, Debbie, and Yael on the advisory: https://emilyedlynn.substack.com/p/is-parent-stress-breaking-news
About our panelists:
Tracy A. Dennis-Tiwary, Ph.D. is a professor of psychology and neuroscience and Director of the Emotion Regulation Lab at Hunter College.
Ellen Galinsky is President of Families and Work Institute and the elected President of the Work and Family Researchers Network.
Devorah Heitner, PhD is the author of Growing Up in Public: Coming of Age in a Digital World and Screenwise: Helping Kids Thrive and Survive in the Digital World.
Emily Edlynn, PhD is a psychologist and the author of Autonomy-Supportive Parenting: Reduce Parental Burnout and Raise Competent, Confident Children and the emotions journal for kids, In Your Feels. And of course you all know her as a cohost of Psychologists Off the Clock.
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We have an insightful discussion with Ruth Whippman this week, who urges us to rethink masculinity and nurture boys in a way that honors their mental health and emotional depth. A mother of three and the insightful author of Boy Mom: Reimagining Boyhood in the Age of Impossible Masculinity, Ruth brings a personal and societal viewpoint to the intense pressures that often shape modern masculinity.
She sheds light on the cultural forces that define "being a man" and shares her journey in challenging these norms.
We also learn about Ruth’s experiences as a mother, how society's expectations affect boys from an early age, and the importance of fostering boys' emotional development and accepting their complete human complexity.
We hope you join us for this compassionate and in-depth conversation and broaden your understanding of how we can change how we see and raise boys today.
Listen and Learn:
The impossible expectations facing boys and men today—how do they find their way forward?
How Ruth, a mother of three boys navigated feminism, fear, and future masculinity in a conflicted cultural moment
Are we burdening boys with blame from the past?
The science behind why boys need more nurture early on but often receive less and how it creates an emotional gap with lasting effects
How early affection shapes moral growth and how gender impacts this
Are boys being deprived of friendship lessons that promote emotional depth and connection because of the way they are portrayed in the media?
Precarious masculinity: how shifting ideals are creating a public health crisis for boys and men
Hyperconnection and disconnection and how masculinity ties into mental health risks for boys
The dark online world of 'incels,' where toxic masculinity and vulnerability collide in horrific ways
The need to rethink how we approach boys' emotional growth beyond "masculinity" norms
Resources:
Boymom, Reimagining Boyhood in the Age of Impossible Masculinity
Website: https://www.ruthwhippman.com/
Substack: https://substack.com/@ruthwhippman
Social Media:
https://www.instagram.com/ruthwhippman/
https://twitter.com/ruthwhippman
https://www.facebook.com/RuthWhippman/
About:
Ruth Whippman is an author, journalist and cultural critic and the mother of three boys. A former BBC documentary director, she has written for the New York Times, Time magazine, The Guardian, HuffPost, and other publications. She is the author of the book America the Anxious, which was a New York Post Best Book of the Year and a New York Times Editors’ Choice and Paperback Row pick. Her latest book is Boymom, Reimagining Boyhood in the Age of Impossible Masculinity.
Related Episodes:
374. Developing and Deepening Connections with Adam Dorsay
361. Dudes and Dads: Men’s Mental Health with Danny Singley
360. The Laws of Connection with David Robson
331. Seeing Others: The Importance of Being Recognized and Valued with Michele Lamont
325. Unseen, Unheard, Undervalued with Janina Scarlet
304. The Emotional Lives of Teenagers with Lisa Damour
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