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In this episode of Redlines, we hear the sobering story of Joan, an experienced but unlicensed architecture professional who faced a devastating lawsuit that threatened her career and livelihood. Joan shares her journey of running a successful design practice for years, only to have it come crashing down due to a dispute with foreign investors on a challenging hillside project.As Joan recounts the details of the case, we gain insight into the precarious position many unlicensed designers find themselves in, despite years of experience and expertise. Her story highlights the complex interplay between licensure, legal liability, and industry norms, especially in residential architecture.
Through Joan's experience, listeners will gain a deeper understanding of the risks unlicensed professionals face, the barriers to licensure that persist in the field, and the lack of protections available when legal challenges arise. This episode serves as a stark wake-up call about the importance of licensure while also questioning whether current systems adequately support the realities of architectural practice.Join us as we unpack the nuances of this dramatic story and explore the broader implications for the architecture and design community. Redlines once again gives voice to the rarely discussed challenges that plague the industry, offering valuable insights on navigating these treacherous waters.
5 key takeaways:
The prevalence of unlicensed professionals in residential architecture and the risks this can poseBarriers to licensure including complex requirements, rolling clocks, and accessibility issuesThe lack of legal protections for unlicensed professionals, even with liability insuranceHow foreign investors and aggressive litigation can exploit vulnerabilities in the systemThe long-lasting personal and professional consequences of facing a major lawsuit
Quotes:"My client just said they’re being so demanding [and] problematic, so stop responding. I was like, ‘okay.’ Then I got served. And I was very confused because the company suing me didn’t just sue my company. They sued my company and me as a person. And then the company that filed the lawsuit—I didn’t even know their name.
I’m like, who’s this company? Who’s this suing me for a million dollars?"
"I really want to share my story because I want people to know that sometimes, especially people in our field, no matter how careful you are with every step you take, there's always that unknown that could hit you hard.
Now, looking back, it seems that licensure was more important than I really gave it credit for. And if that's not in your cards at the moment, I want you to know how bad it could get. That's why I'm willing to share. "Relevant Links:
Out of Architecture website: https://www.outofarchitecture.comInformation on becoming an Out of Architecture Patreon supporter: https://www.patreon.com/outofarchitectureIf you have resources to share that you think may be helpful to what was discussed in this episode, please email us at: [email protected]
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In this episode of Redlines, we delve into a captivating story of one architect's struggle to defend her intellectual property and creative work. Maya, a rising talent in the design world, shares a harrowing tale of a mentor-like figure who exploited her unique methods and teachings, using them for their own gain without permission or credit.
As Maya navigates the complex legal waters, she confronts not only the blatant theft of her ideas but also the emotional turmoil of broken trust and self-doubt. Her journey sheds light on the often-overlooked issues of ownership, attribution, and the delicate balance between sharing knowledge and protecting one's own craft.
Through Maya's experience, listeners will gain a deeper understanding of the importance of safeguarding one's intellectual property, even within the seemingly collaborative environment of the architecture profession. This episode serves as a wake-up call, urging architects and designers to become more aware of their rights and the potential pitfalls that can arise when creative work is misused or appropriated without consent.
Join us as we unpack the nuances of this dramatic story and explore the broader implications for the design community. Redlines once again gives voice to the rarely discussed challenges that plague the industry, offering valuable insights and strategies for navigating these murky waters.
5 key takeaways:
How an architect's unique teaching methods and workshop content can be exploited by a trusted mentor without permission or creditThe emotional toll and internal struggle faced in deciding whether to assert your rights, including feelings of guilt, shame, and self-doubtThe legal complexities around intellectual property rights, copyright, and ownership in the architecture/design field that many practitioners are unaware ofThe proactive measures the an architect's firm can take to protect their intellectual property when working with clientsThe effort to raise awareness and inspire others in the design community to speak up about similar challenges of creative work being misappropriatedQuotes
“I think the main thing that I want to gain from this episode is to raise awareness because a lot of creatives and a lot of architects don't really know, or they're not aware about their rights over their own work."
“ So there was all this negativity that was kind of building up and that kind of broke my veneer of trust that I had in him, otherwise I would have never Googled. That's when I got to know that,, it's been going on for years, putting his name on it."
"I think it was really important to understand these certain nuanced rights. And I learned that from first doing my own research that steps that are usually taken. First you need to reach out to this person because you have a relationship with them and they're your contact and you want to talk to them in a very positive way."
Relevant Links:
Copyright for Academics in the Digital Age: https://www.aaup.org/article/copyright-academics-digital-ageUnderstanding copyright protection for architects: https://www.aia.org/resource-center/understanding-copyright-protection-architectsOut of Architecture website: https://www.outofarchitecture.comInformation on becoming an Out of Architecture Patreon supporter: https://www.patreon.com/outofarchitectureIf you have resources to share that you think may be helpful to what was discussed in this episode, please email us at: [email protected]
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A warning for our listeners, in this episode we discuss sexual misconduct in the workplace and uncomfortable scenarios in a professional setting. We want you to know this in advance, and please take care when listening to this episode.
In this episode of Redlines, Jake and Erin speak with Lara (name changed for confidentiality), an international architecture student who shares her deeply challenging journey to practice architecture in the United States.
Laura recounts the bureaucratic hurdles, lack of university support, exploitation, and visa struggles she faced despite her dedication and hard work. Her story shines a light on the systemic barriers and abuses that isolate many international architects.
Despite doing everything right - researching programs, securing internships, and excelling academically - Laura hit roadblock after roadblock. The university created extra visa requirements beyond government rules, provided no clear answers, and seemed more interested in extracting tuition fees than supporting students.
Then, at her first job, Laura experienced sexual misconduct from a partner but felt unable to report it for fear of jeopardizing her visa status. The numerous visa deadlines and lotteries added tremendous stress.
After years of perseverance, Laura was forced to make a difficult decision during the pandemic before she was finally able to restart her career.
Top 5 Takeaways:
International architecture students face immense systemic barriers and exploitation when trying to practice in the U.S. Universities often provide inadequate support and may create extra bureaucratic visa hurdles to extend tuition payments.Visa requirements and lotteries create persistent stress and instability for international architects.Fear of losing visa status makes international architects more vulnerable to misconduct and abuse.The U.S. immigration system fails to retain talented, hardworking international architects.Quotes:
“I remember it's very late at night and the team wanted to grab a drink. This partner offered to drive me home, and I could not even come up with enough excuses to deter their advances until one of my coworkers jumped in and be like, okay, let's go. Our Uber is here. And I have never felt so utterly helpless where I am reliant on the pity of others to be saved."
"I remember getting that email and it was essentially, you're great. We did like your work. However, we have projects, somebody needs to work on it. And as much as we empathize and understand your situation, our hands are tied as well."
Relevant Links:
Equal Rights Guide: https://www.equalrights.org/issue/economic-workplace-equality/sexual-harassment/RAINN 24/7 Helpline for Sexual Assault: https://www.rainn.org/resourcesCurricular Practical Training Information: https://www.ice.gov/doclib/sevis/pdf/CurricularPracticalTraining.pdfOut of Architecture website: https://www.outofarchitecture.comInformation on becoming an Out of Architecture Patreon supporter: https://www.patreon.com/outofarchitectureIf you have resources to share that you think may be helpful to what was discussed in this episode, please email us at: [email protected]
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K* opens up about his experiences entering the architecture profession after serving in the military.
K shares with hosts Jake and Erin about his background growing up in a low-income family and joining the Marines to pay for college. After deploying overseas, K left the military to pursue architecture.
However, the transition from the military hierarchy to architecture school was challenging, as was finding a job after graduation. K shares stories of working for firms that undervalued his experience and exploited entry-level employees.
Ultimately, K hopes sharing his perspective will validate others who have struggled and empower them to improve their situations.
*Not his real name
5 Key Takeaways:
The transition from the military to architecture school can be difficult due to the difference in culture and hierarchies. Early career architects are often undervalued and exploited by firms that take advantage of entry-level employees.Speaking up about unreasonable demands as a student or employee requires confidence and tact. Changing firms may provide some relief but doesn't always address core issues around control and compensation.Surrounding yourself with supportive mentors and continually developing confidence and communication skills is important for career growth.Episode Quote:
"I really hope that everybody listening at first feels validated. Like I have been in the other podcasts I've listened to, and even getting this platform that these things are weird, odd at best, and downright discriminatory or abusive."
Notable Quotes:
"I went through the school of hard knocks as a kid. I went to the school of hard knocks as a Marine. I went to the school of hard knocks as a student, and then I gave myself a couple years in architecture to be able to stand and speak from a point of knowledge."
"It doesn't have to be this way. If you're a young person, be very clear with your boundaries. Don't sell yourself short and give into the ethos of putting in the long hours."
Conclusion:
K's story highlights the need for the architecture profession to adapt to diverse backgrounds and experiences.The discussion opens up avenues for improving the support system for both employees and sub-contractors in architecture.Relevant Links:
AIA Code of Ethics: https://www.aia.org/about-aia/professional-standardsOut of Architecture website: https://www.outofarchitecture.comInformation on becoming an Out of Architecture Patreon supporter: https://www.patreon.com/outofarchitectureIf you have resources to share that you think may be helpful to what was discussed in this episode, please email us at: [email protected]
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Chris* faced a series of traumatic and unfair experiences over the course of his architecture career.
Despite his lifelong passion for architecture, Chris dealt with difficult bosses, excessive overwork, sexual harassment, lack of appreciation, and ultimately wrongful dismissal.
His story highlights the need for positive change in architecture's problematic power dynamics, management issues, and lack of work-life balance.
Three major incidents that happened to Chris were:
Early in his first job, Chris was berated and had his housing stipend removed for mentioning his rent in casual conversation (6:00)A mentor made sexual advances; Chris went along but felt uncomfortable and taken advantage of by the power dynamic (22:00)After taking medical leave for depression, Chris was not welcomed back to his firm as legally required and instead encouraged to resign (33:00)*Not his real name
5 Key Takeaways:
Inappropriate sexual dynamics are common but rarely discussed in architecture firms.Taking medical leave for mental health is often met with retaliation, not support.Overwork culture leads to poor work-life balance and burnout.Speaking up about unfair treatment is important despite being difficult.Young architects should set boundaries and advocate for themselves early on.Notable Quotes:
"I felt so disrespected and used in this moment. I really, I just couldn't believe that I had been so misled and it really just. I get emotional because of it, I just felt really, really disrespected."
"It doesn't have to be this way. If you're a young person, be very clear with your boundaries. Don't sell yourself short and give into the ethos of putting in the long hours."
Episode Quote:
"Making decisions based on whether it's the bottom line in their best interests and not in yours. And it's just very unfortunate because. Industry couldn't exist without the workers. we're being completely exploited for our passion and interest in this profession. it's just really unfair."
Relevant Links:
The US Family Medical Leave Act (FMLA) https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fmlaYour Rights to Discuss Your Wages (US Specific) https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights/your-rights-to-discuss-wagesOut of Architecture website: https://www.outofarchitecture.comInformation on becoming an Out of Architecture Patreon supporter: https://www.patreon.com/outofarchitectureIf you have resources to share that you think may be helpful to what was discussed in this episode, please email us at: [email protected]
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Welcome to this week's episode of Redlines, where we delve into the intriguing world of architecture and its untold stories. This week, we're taking a unique turn from our usual format. In this episode of Redlines, hosts Jake and Erin revisit stories from the Out of Architecture book that continue to look at the culture of exploitation within architecture.
Legitimate complaints about underpayment and poor working conditions are often dismissed under the guise of “the gentlemen’s profession.” We discuss the ways normative structures of propping up “starchitects” through exploitative labor practices can lead to an internalized drive toward toxic perfectionism in some workers while driving others out of the field completely.
Three Stories:
1. Jake recalls his internship experience at a famous Roman architecture firm, and details a culture of abuse, exploitation and harassment that was alluded to in the previous episode.
2. Architecture is considered a “gentleman’s profession” historically, as it was traditionally a field dominated by men of noble birth who were financially supported by their family wealth. This allowed them to spend years studying and working on projects that cost more than they could ever return. This perception, however, made it difficult for those without such wealth or social status to gain recognition and succeed in the field. We dive into this with a snippet from our audiobook with a look at Michelangelo as a way to frame an understanding of the profession today.
3. Our third story is an anonymized story of Cady*, a student of Erin’s who attempts to stand up to professors who had been exploiting her labor on a competition project. This story highlights the struggle of architecture students for fair wages, recognition in the field, and the power dynamic between students, professors, and practicing architects.
*name has been changed.
Quotes:
"We never thought someone so pleasant would stand up for herself."
"Now, family wealth propped up unpaid internships, facilitated travel abroad, and offered the ability to focus on passion projects on which every detail was polished to perfection."
“[...] when you dug deep into architectural history, including famous architects from the not so distant past and current big names in the field, the role of family wealth and personal connections glared back at you with contempt. The gentleman's profession, an idea that seemed so antiquated, was very much alive and well.”
Relevant Links:
Out of Architecture website: https://www.outofarchitecture.comThe Out of Architecture Audiobook can be found on AudibleInformation on becoming an Out of Architecture Patreon supporter: https://www.patreon.com/outofarchitecture
If you have an experience in the architecture profession that you believe would make a great addition to Redlines, we want to hear from you!Share your stories and insights about the industry, especially if they relate to unconventional or overlooked aspects of architectural work.
Invitation for Contributions:If you have resources to share that you think may be helpful to what was discussed in this episode, please email us at: [email protected]
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In this episode of Redlines, hosts Jake and Erin speak with Cecilia and Elif, two architecture students who took an unpaid summer internship abroad at a famous firm in Spain at the recommendation of their professor.
However, instead of gaining valuable experience in an architecture office, they were treated as expendable labor.
Cecilia and Elif recount the harrowing details of this exploitative internship and the fear they felt in speaking up due to the power dynamics at play with famous architects and professors. They explain why they and other students stayed despite the conditions and discuss how this experience impacted their career paths and beliefs around what is acceptable treatment in the architecture industry.
Ultimately, Cecilia and Elif hope that by speaking openly about these abusive practices, the next generation of architects can help break the perpetuating cycle of poor labor conditions in the name of becoming a “great architect.”
Three major incidents:
1. Cecilia and Elif arrive at the internship and are forced to work manual labor on a construction site instead of in an office, with no safety protections (6:00)
2. Famous architects visit the construction site, gather the students around for a demonstration, and have them running around doing tasks, yelling when they make mistakes (19:00)
3. After Cecilia takes two days off, the architects gather everyone and lecture them that leaving for even one day is unacceptable and detail the punishments (38:00)
Four key takeaways
Architect students worldwide are often exploited as manual laborers during their internships, working long hours in dangerous working conditions with no safety equipment, training, contracts, or labor protections.Speaking up about famous architects and professors was scary due to fear of retaliation and harm to future career prospects.Some student interns feel compelled to stay to get required credits or due to visa dependency, despite the conditions.Sharing stories openly can help prevent ongoing exploitation so the next generation of architects doesn't have to suffer the same way.Quotes:
"Rather than framing them (internships) as learning opportunities or rites of passage, we need to start looking at them the way they are. They’re just exploitative.""My professor told me that good architecture takes three things, time, money, and freedom… but I realized at our internship we had no money, no time and no freedom due to the constant surveillance."Relevant Links:
Out of Architecture website: https://www.outofarchitecture.comInformation on becoming an Out of Architecture Patreon supporter: https://www.patreon.com/outofarchitectureIf you have resources to share that you think may be helpful to what was discussed in this episode, please email us at: [email protected]
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The Turbulent Journey of an Accomplished Architect
This episode of Redlines tells the story of Natasha (a pseudonym), an architect with over 14 years of experience who faced discrimination and career roadblocks at the hands of her employer. Despite her expertise and external recognition, Natasha was excluded from opportunities and advancement.
Three major incidents:
Natasha was invited to speak at a prestigious conference about her work in computational design.Her firm and professor plagiarized her work when she had the chance to pursue a PhD with a prominent university.Even after 14 years as an architect, Natasha faced more roadblocks when applying for promotion to senior architect.Key Takeaways:
Talented employees can face resentment and exclusion when their skills outshine others, especially when they don't fit expected demographic norms.Firms may prioritize maintaining power dynamics over equitable advancement, even at the expense of utilizing talent.Academia is not immune to unethical behavior when prestige and connections are at stake.Persist in developing your skills and pursuing your passion, even if your current environment doesn't value you.Quotes:
“At the end I felt that because they had blocked my career, I can't do the work I enjoy the most and I also can't further develop."
Relevant Links:
Out of Architecture website: https://www.outofarchitecture.comInformation on becoming an Out of Architecture Patreon supporter: https://www.patreon.com/outofarchitectureIf you have resources to share that you think may be helpful to what was discussed in this episode, please email us at: [email protected]
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This episode shines a light on the withholding of critical information by architecture firms to create an uneven power dynamic as firms hold visa sponsorship over young, foreign workers.
Our storyteller this week is Cat - a pseudonym - who shares their personal experience with the H1B visa process in the United States and the challenges they faced while working at a reputable architecture firm.
Cat discusses the lack of transparency, exploitation, and the difficulty of seeking a life in the US versus other countries.
“I asked my employer, can I have my receipt number so I can go into USCIS system to look up whether or not I got selected this time. They told me that there is no longer such a thing as a receipt number. But this contradict with the official statement that USC has put out on their own website, this number obviously exists. It's just my employer decided not to disclose it.”
Key takeaways:
The path to sponsorship can take years with uncertain resultsLack of transparency in the H1B visa selection processEmployers can legally withhold sponsorship information from workersRisk in the visa process creates opportunities to take advantage of sponsored workersThere are many countries that provide better options for young architectsJoin our Patreon for Free
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