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In this episode, Carl Coleman continues his deep dive into the lessons learned from years of soil health experimentationâand how they changed not only his farm but his entire career. Carl shares how the pushback he received from scientists and extension professionals led him to set up a randomized, replicated study on his farm, proving that regenerative practices could reduce inputs without sacrificing yield.
We explore some of the biggest surprises from these trials, including how fields with no applied potassium actually maintained or increased soil test levels over five yearsâcompletely contradicting conventional wisdom. Carl also discusses the economic and agronomic benefits of cover crops, including how they have helped farmers reduce subsoiling, cut back on herbicide passes, and save thousands in input costs.
Carlâs transition from farming to the seed business was not planned, but as demand for high-quality, affordable seed grew, he saw an opportunity to help other farmers navigate the complexities of cover cropping. Now, as the owner of Choice Ag, Carl provides tailored cover crop blends based on individual farm needs, ensuring that growers avoid common mistakes and maximize their returns.
If youâre wondering how real-world farmers are making regenerative agriculture work economically, this episode is packed with practical insights and hard-earned wisdom.
đ Check the show notes for links to Carlâs seed business, research studies, and resources mentioned in this episode!
Resources Mentioned in This Episode
How much fertilizer do we really need? https://experiment.com/projects/how-much-fertilizer-do-we-really-needNo but seriously now, how much fertilizer do we really need? https://experiment.com/projects/no-but-seriously-now-how-much-fertilizer-do-we-really-needCotton, Country Conservation: An 8-Year Case Study in Regenerative Agriculture (Following SC Farmer Sonny Price's path of reducing input costs, increasing organic matter, and saving over $2.5 million): soilhealthlabs.com/projects/cotton-country-conservation -
In this episode, Carl Coleman continues his deep dive into the lessons learned from years of soil health experimentationâand how they changed not only his farm but his entire career. Carl shares how the pushback he received from scientists and extension professionals led him to set up a randomized, replicated study on his farm, proving that regenerative practices could reduce inputs without sacrificing yield.
We explore some of the biggest surprises from these trials, including how fields with no applied potassium actually maintained or increased soil test levels over five yearsâcompletely contradicting conventional wisdom. Carl also discusses the economic and agronomic benefits of cover crops, including how they have helped farmers reduce subsoiling, cut back on herbicide passes, and save thousands in input costs.
Carlâs transition from farming to the seed business was not planned, but as demand for high-quality, affordable seed grew, he saw an opportunity to help other farmers navigate the complexities of cover cropping. Now, as the owner of Choice Ag, Carl provides tailored cover crop blends based on individual farm needs, ensuring that growers avoid common mistakes and maximize their returns.
If youâre wondering how real-world farmers are making regenerative agriculture work economically, this episode is packed with practical insights and hard-earned wisdom.
đ Check the show notes for links to Carlâs seed business, research studies, and resources mentioned in this episode!
Resources Mentioned in This Episode
How much fertilizer do we really need? https://experiment.com/projects/how-much-fertilizer-do-we-really-needNo but seriously now, how much fertilizer do we really need? https://experiment.com/projects/no-but-seriously-now-how-much-fertilizer-do-we-really-needCotton, Country Conservation: An 8-Year Case Study in Regenerative Agriculture (Following SC Farmer Sonny Price's path of reducing input costs, increasing organic matter, and saving over $2.5 million): soilhealthlabs.com/projects/cotton-country-conservation -
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In this episode, Buz and Dickie chat with Clinton Rasmussen about the innovative use of goats for land management, particularly in combating the spread of eastern red cedar in South Dakota. Clinton shares his journey from growing up on a ranch to returning after his military service and discovering the power of goats to clear invasive brush. He discusses how these goats thrive in rough terrain and how their grazing habits can significantly reduce unwanted vegetation, including cedar trees, yucca, and other tough plants.
The conversation highlights Clintonâs use of electric fencing and his experiments with no-fence collars to manage his goats across different paddocks. The effectiveness of goats in land restoration is contrasted with the challenges posed by eastern red cedar, which not only competes with grazing lands but also contributes to dangerous wildfires.
Clinton explains how goats can fit into traditional cattle operations and how they offer a great opportunity for younger ranchers or anyone looking to diversify their operations. For those who may not have the capital to purchase large tracts of land or invest in a big cattle herd, goats provide a way to get started with smaller investments. Running goats alongside cattle allows you to use the same land without the need for major infrastructure or large upfront costs. Itâs an ideal way for younger ranchers to gain experience and build their business over time, especially since goats can thrive in areas where cattle struggle. Clintonâs own experience shows how goats can be a stepping stone to eventually expanding into other livestock, creating a sustainable and profitable operation.
One of the great advantages of goats is their relatively low water needs, especially compared to cattle. Clinton points out that once goats are established on a piece of land, they can often go quite a while without a constant water source, relying on moisture from the plants they eat, like yucca and cedar. This can significantly reduce the need for water infrastructure, as goats can be moved across the land without the need to set up multiple water points, which can be a costly part of managing cattle. This flexibility makes it easier to rotate goats through different paddocks and access areas that might be difficult to reach or impractical for cattle. For younger ranchers looking to minimize their infrastructure costs while maximizing their land use, goats offer a smart, cost-effective solution.
For further reading, check out the AgUpdate article on "Tackling the Green Glacier" here and the prescribed burn resource here. You can also learn more about Nathan Marker from Plum Creek Ranch and his goat-based land management practices in this 2020 Gathering Talk. Follow Clintonâs journey on his Firewatch Ranch Facebook page.
AgUpdate article: âTacking the Green Glacierâ https://agupdate.com/tristateneighbor/news/livestock/tackling-the-green-glacier/article_28fc9f42-ab57-11ef-b3f9-33537e86c82e.html
https://www.growingresiliencesd.com/prescribed-burn
Nathan Marker ~ Plum Creek Ranch ~ 2020 Gathering Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuBzbTEkSQ8
Firewatch ranch: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100085769701718
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In this episode, we chat with Lealand Schoon from the South Dakota NRCS about drought management, grazing strategies, and the long-term health of pasturelands. Lealand covers how subtle factors like trigger dates and residue levels impact grazing decisions, stressing that if land is left with less than 1,000 pounds of residue per acre, it can be much slower to recover. This makes it crucial for ranchers to manage grazing carefully, especially during drought conditions. He also distinguishes between droughts and dry cycles, explaining that while droughts are more extreme, dry cycles are a natural part of the landscape and require adaptive management to cope with.
Lealand also touches on the current beef market, where prices are solid, and the availability and cost of hay are favorable. However, he warns against becoming complacent just because things are looking good right now. The market can shift quickly, and the right grazing and land management decisions today will determine how well ranchers are set up for future years, particularly when it comes to managing land during drought. He also talks about de-stocking strategies, noting that if the land is in poor condition, de-stocking will need to be more aggressive to avoid further damage.
Throughout our discussion, Lealand emphasizes the importance of being proactive with land managementâespecially when conditions are good. He stresses that staying on top of things today can help ensure that ranchers can handle the challenges of tomorrow. The ability to adapt to changing conditions now will make all the difference when the inevitable droughts or market shifts arrive.
This episode offers essential advice for ranchers looking to maintain healthy, resilient land, no matter the market conditions.
For more on drought management and range conservation, check out the links in the show notes:
Growing Resilience â Drought Management
https://www.growingresiliencesd.com/drought-management
Natural Resources Conservation Service- Range and Pasture
https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/conservation-by-state/south-dakota/range-pasture
Ag-Wx
https://www.ag-wx.com
Mesonet SD (Go to tools to see Ag Weather, Degree Days, Livestock Stress, etc.)
https://climate.sdstate.edu/
Rangeland Analysis Platform (RAP)
https://rangelands.app/
Alexjandro Carillo
https://www.cuencalosojos.org/alejandro-carrillo
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Our third and final interview with Fred Provenza unfolds like a symphony in four parts, each movement resonating with deep reflections on human connection, nature, and the inner workings of the mind. With a cadence that mirrors the unfolding of a well-composed piece, Fred takes us through a journey of shifting perspectives and shifting lives, inviting us to hear the music of the earth as it teaches us to reconnect, simplify, and grow. Like the slow movement of a piece, the interview reflects the wisdom of experience, with Fred sharing lessons learned through years of work, struggle, and discovery. Together, these four movements create a harmony of ideas that echo the timeless truths of our relationship with the world around us.
Movement 1: Fred Provenza on the Role of Mindsets in Shaping Our Relationship with Nature
Fred explores how mindsets, shaped by polarized perspectives, can be transformed through respectful dialogue and open-mindedness. Reflecting on his experience as a teacher, he recalls how he helped students transcend the boundaries of their differing views, fostering a deeper understanding of the complex issues surrounding livestock, rangelands, and the land itself.Movement 2: Fred Provenza on Stories that Connect and Inspire Change
Fred delves into the power of stories in creating connections and inspiring transformation. He emphasizes how the act of nurturing relationships with the land can foster a sense of community, grounding individuals in something larger than themselves, while also illustrating how personal experiencesâlike the shared beauty of a native gardenâcan bring people together in mutual appreciation.Movement 3: Fred Provenza on the Purpose of His Work and Bringing Joy
Reflecting on his legacy, Fred speaks candidly about his life's work and its true purpose: to inspire joy and awe in others. He highlights how reconnecting with a sense of wonder, especially after facing life's challenges, can bring peace and meaning. Fred reveals his desire not for grand accomplishments, but for helping people rediscover the joy of being alive.Movement 4: Fred Provenza on the Wisdom of Letting Nature Self-Organize
In response to the quotes from John Kenneth Galbraith and Charles Massey, Fred offers profound insights into the wisdom of stepping back as we grow older. He discusses the gift of reduced energy levels and how this shift allows us to embrace a simpler, more hands-off approach to lifeâallowing nature to regenerate on its own. Reflecting on the importance of humility and learning, Fred advocates for changing mindsets and simplifying life to connect with what truly matters.As you listen to the final movement of this symphonic conversation with Fred Provenza, we encourage you to stay with us until the end. Sometimes, itâs not the facts and figures that resonate the most, but the deeper, intuitive understandings that unfold as we reflect, shift, and grow. Fredâs insights challenge us to reconsider the way we approach life, nature, and even our own existenceâasking us to embrace the wisdom of simplicity, connection, and change. Stay with us to the end, because the most important lessons arenât always found in what we know, but in how we come to understand it.
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In this second podcast with Dr. Fred Provenza, professor emeritus of Behavioral Ecology at Utah State University, and author of several important books on animal behavior and land stewardship, we discuss key themes include wildlife nutrition, ecological practices, and the interconnectedness of animal behavior and plant diversity. The discussion opens with Provenza detailing the Welfare Elk Program implemented at Deseret Land and Livestock, a large ranch on the Wyoming-Utah border. Faced with the challenge of elk wintering on neighboring lands and health issues like brucellosis and chronic wasting disease, the ranch transitioned from supplemental feeding to promoting natural foraging. By strategically using cattle to graze specific areas, elk were encouraged to self-sustain, breaking a cycle of dependency on human-provided food. This shift not only benefited the elk but fostered a new generation of calves unfamiliar with artificial feeding, establishing a "culture of welfare elk."
Provenza also elaborates on the importance of diverse landscapes for livestock health. He highlights how animals instinctively seek a variety of plant species, which contain secondary compounds (physochemicals) that play a vital role in their nutrition and health. These compounds, once dismissed as mere plant defenses, are now recognized for their potential health benefits, serving as antioxidants and aiding in self-medication. By grazing diverse plant species, animals reduce their reliance on veterinary care, demonstrating a deep-rooted nutritional wisdom that connects them to their environments.
A significant anecdote shared is Claire Sylviaâs experience following her organ transplant, as recounted in her book "A Change of Heart." Sylviaâs story illustrates how organ recipients often experience changes in food preferences that align with those of their donors, suggesting a profound connection between body and identity. Provenza draws parallels between this and the dietary choices of animals, emphasizing that the feedback mechanisms within both animal and human bodies guide their nutritional decisions.
Throughout the interview, Provenza emphasizes the importance of understanding animal behavior and ecology as interconnected systems. The wisdom animals demonstrate in selecting their diets reflects an intimate knowledge of their landscapes, akin to the complexities of the human microbiome. He notes that, just as plants transform soil into a diverse ecosystem of nutrients, animals thrive by foraging from varied plant sources, reinforcing the idea that both species are part of a larger ecological web.
In essence, the discussion highlights how fostering a more holistic view of animal nutritionâgrounded in ecological practices, diverse landscapes, and understanding the innate knowledge of animalsâcan lead to healthier ecosystems and livestock. Provenzaâs insights encourage a reevaluation of conventional agricultural practices, promoting a deeper appreciation for the natural instincts that guide animal foraging and well-being.
Fred reflects on the limitations and complexities of scientific inquiry, especially in fields like ecology, economics, and sociology. He discusses the concept of "trans-science," which refers to questions and phenomena that lie beyond the capabilities of traditional scientific methods to fully answer. Early in his career, Fred believed that rigorous study would lead to predictable and controllable outcomes, akin to the precision of physics. However, he gradually recognized that science can only provide provisional insights into complex systems.
Fred emphasizes that the interactions within ecological systems often defy reductionist approaches. He illustrates this with the example of studying secondary compounds in foods: while individual compounds can be analyzed, the sheer complexity of combinations in real meals makes it impossible to fully understand their effects in isolation. He champions the idea that "food, not nutrient" is the basic unit of nutrition, highlighting that the synergistic effects of various compounds in whole foods are crucial for health.
He critiques the historical emphasis on competition within ecological theories, which he argues stems from economic models. Instead, he promotes the concept of cooperation and synergies among diverse species as essential for ecological health. This perspective informs his approach to agriculture, advocating for polycultures over monocultures, as diversity fosters greater resilience and nutrient density.
Fred also explores the philosophical underpinnings of scientific inquiry, discussing how science is inherently limited and tentative. He encourages scientists to remain open-minded and to adapt based on data rather than clinging to preconceived hypotheses. He shares personal anecdotes of frustration and learning throughout his research journey, underscoring the importance of integrity in scientific practice.
Lastly, Fred highlights the significance of creativity in both nature and human systems, arguing that true understanding emerges from participation in the environment. He suggests that by embracing our interconnectedness with nature, we can cultivate more effective and innovative approaches to ecological and agricultural challenges. Overall, Fred advocates for a holistic, cooperative view of science and ecology, one that values the complex interactions within ecosystems and the creative potential inherent in these systems.
Additional Resources:
Dr. Fred Provenzaâs Talk at Utah State University: The Web of Life EventDr. Fred Provenzaâs Books:NY Times Article: Montana at has more Cows than People: why are Locals eating Beef from Brazil? https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/13/business/montana-meat-old-salt-co-op.html -
This episode of the Soil Health Labs podcast delves into the importance of peer learning among farmers, innovative approaches to soil health, and the implementation of climate-smart practices through the Climate-Smart Grown in SC Program out of Clemson and SC State Universities. Featuring insights from Dr. Lacy Barnette, this episode explores how collaboration, community support, and scientific research drive sustainable agricultural practices.
From as early as middle school, Dr. Lacy Barnette was interested in sustainable agriculture. She made the very wise decision of getting her PhD in Environmental Health Sciences from us right here in the Soil Health Lab and has since moved into a position as an Extension Associate at Clemson University where she is a part of the Leafy Greens program of their Climate-Smart Grown in SC project. This Climate-Smart program is a USDA-funded initiative aimed at sustainable practices in four main crops: leafy greens, forage, peanuts, and forestry.
In this interview, Dr. Barnette emphasizes the benefits of farmers observing and learning from their peers in implementing effective soil health techniques, and the importance of making scientific research relevant and actionable for farmers, particularly in South Carolina. Dr. Barnette also discusses strategies for leafy green farmers to adopt cover cropping, reduce tillage, and approaches to mulching to enhance soil health. She also touches on market influences and policy barriers that may hinder farmers from adopting perennial systems. In all, itâs important to plug oneself into a broad and supportive community, one that is involved in supporting one another's agricultural growth and, preferably, policy that supports regenerative agriculture.
Dr. Barnette discusses the many varying and visible benefits of cover cropping, such as improved soil health/productivity and pest deterrent. She goes on to discuss some of the common issues some leafy green farmers may face in cover cropping. Diamondback Moths have posed a threat to some crops, for which Dr. Barnett offers some possible remedies, such as compost tea generated from plant matter of surrounding forests.
Lastly, she discusses the Initial challenges and logistical hurdles in the first year of the Climate Smart SC Program, and anticipated improvements for the second year, including summer cover crops.
Links and Resources
Clemson Extension Climate Smart Program: https://www.climatesmartsc.org/
Rodale Institute: https://rodaleinstitute.org
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As we end the growing season, we want to air this podcast that Joe Dickie and Buz Kloot conducted with NRCSâs Shane Jordan and Kent Vlieger. This is the fourth podcast of the year that discusses salinity, the others being with Kent Cooley (Soil Scientist), Matt Hubers (Agronomist with Ducks Unlimited), and Lee Brise (Crop Consultant). We wanted to time this podcast with the end of the growing season to (1) give you more time to listen and (2) help your thinking and planning for 2025, especially if you are farming in the James River Valley. While our previous podcasts (see links below) have dealt with various aspects of salinity, we think this episode does a nice job of tying up all the loose ends.
Shane kicks off with his personal history and tenure in Spink County, discussing how shifts in farming practices have affected the salinity issue. He highlights the decrease of small grains in the rotation, the reduction of perennials (like alfalfa), and a decline in the number of livestock on pasture as some of the causes of salinity. These changes, along with the recent wet cycle, have led to a visible change in the landscape that Shane has observed firsthand.
Kent then talks about how changes in farming practices, combined with weather patterns, have served to break the water cycle, making salinity a symptom of that broken cycle. As biological diversity decreases due to lands shifting to monocultures, soil structure is further impacted, exacerbating the busted water cycle. Kent discusses how effective water managementâthrough the judicious use of plantsâcan combat salinity, especially in areas with high water tables, while highlighting the consequences of kicking the can down the road regarding these pressing issues.
As we explore solutions, we look at the use of annuals in the form of cover crops, but we also spotlight the potential of perennial systems as a viable alternative to traditional row crops. Kent shares success stories from South Dakota farmers who have embraced these systems, showing how they can stabilize economic conditions over time. We stress the importance of patience, as transitioning to perennials isnât an overnight fix.
In the podcast, we emphasize the "Every Acre Counts" initiative as a crucial framework for reevaluating land management practices. We highlight that many farmers often overlook the hidden potential of less productive acres, focusing solely on traditional row crops like corn and soybeans. By adopting a broader perspective, farmers can identify opportunities for integrating diverse practices, such as cover crops and perennials, that not only enhance soil health but also improve long-term profitability. We argue that this approach encourages producers to assess the economic viability of each field comprehensively, revealing surprising insights about their land's true productivity and the potential benefits of sustainable practices. Through "Every Acre Counts," we advocate for a mindset shift that recognizes the value of all land, promoting strategies that support ecological balance and agricultural resilience.
A significant part of the conversation involves Kent and Shane expressing frustration over the economic barriers that prevent farmers from adopting more diverse and sustainable practices. They point out that many producers rely heavily on crop insurance instead of addressing the root causes of soil degradation, making it challenging to implement effective solutions. Both emphasize the difficulty in shifting mindsets, particularly among absentee landowners (NOLOs) who may not fully understand the state of their land or be willing to give producers a break on rent to tackle salinity problems. Shane highlights the need for education to change perspectives about soil health and profitability, noting that without this understanding, landowners often prioritize immediate financial returns over long-term sustainability. This disconnect underscores the broader challenge of integrating conservation efforts with economic realities in agriculture.
They see many farmers "kicking the can down the road," avoiding the tough decisions needed to address salinity and soil health issues. This tendency to delay action only exacerbates problems, making it harder to achieve long-term sustainability and economic viability in the face of mounting challenges.
*insert link for video clip from this podcast discussion showing the soil test numbers change over an 8-year time span (To Be Created)
Previous Podcasts on Salinity:
59 Soil Expert on the Origins and Impacts of Saline Soils â Kent Cooley: https://www.growingresiliencesd.com/podcasts/episode/251b4e9a/59-soil-expert-on-the-origins-and-impacts-of-saline-soils
61 Agronomist Shares Top Strategies to Transform Saline Soils Into Productive Land â with Matt Hubers: https://www.growingresiliencesd.com/podcasts/episode/27cd9227/61-agronomist-shares-top-strategies-to-transform-saline-soils-into-productive-land
63 Crop Consultant Shares How to Earn 400 More Dollars an Acre on Saline Soils â with Lee Briese: https://www.growingresiliencesd.com/podcasts/episode/259b1fbd/63-crop-consultant-shares-how-to-earn-400-more-dollars-an-acre-on-saline-soils
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In a recent interview with Dr. Gabe Kenne, Lance Samuel spoke about his familyâs farm, âBushels & Bagsâ near Ridgeway, South Carolina. Co-founded with his wife, Kim, initially the two former personal trainers only intended to start a homestead. Their journey began with a provisional vegetable plot, which gradually expanded into a full-fledged operation centered around microgreens. Their shift towards microgreens was driven by a desire to merge their interests in health, nutrition and agriculture. They soon discovered a strong local demand for organically grown, chemical-free vegetables.
Bushels & Bags is "Certified Naturally Grown" (CNG), which is similar to an organic certification, but relies on a more local, grassroots, peer-reviewed process. This method not only supports small-scale farmers but also reduces certification costs. Lance values the collaborative nature of CNG, which fosters idea exchange and mutual support among farmers.
Bushels & Bags now operates on approximately 1.5 acres and emphasizes chemical-free farming. They utilize methods such as exclusion netting and no-till farming to maintain soil structure and prevent pests. Lance details their recent experiments with cover crops, comparing crimping versus mowing techniques. He found crimpingârolling cover crops flat before plantingâto be superior for controlling weeds and promoting plant health, compared to mowing, which led to increased weed pressure and inhibited growth.
The interview also highlights their regenerative practices, including the use of hedgerows composed of native plants and flowering species between crop plots. Lance noticed the hedgerows attracted beneficial insects and birds that help with pest control, reducing the need for chemical intervention. The hedgerows further enhanced biodiversity and managed water runoff by absorbing excess water and preventing soil erosion. In the future, Lance is interested in incorporating rainwater catchment systems to further improve water management and reduce reliance on well water.
Initially the farm implemented large amounts of outsourced compost, but in recent years Lance has begun cultivating in-house compost comprised of vegetable scraps, dead leaves and spent grain from local breweries. An experiment to remove wood chips from pathways resulted in increased erosion and water runoff, and Lance has since reverted back to using wood chips on walking paths and refined the application method, which has improved water management and reduced labor.
The family plays a crucial role in the farmâs operations, as the four Samuel children all contribute to the work necessary to support the farm. Operating in a remote and rural area, however, has its challenges. The farm's location, combined with the prevalence of personal gardens among locals, complicates direct sales. Despite these difficulties, Bushels & Bags has found success through regular attendance at a local farmerâs market, a CSA program, and relationships with local restaurants.
Looking ahead, Lance aims to further integrate both annual and perennial crops on the farm. To beginning farmers, Lance emphasizes the value of public resourcesâ books, videos and online coursesâ and heeds new farmers to first find and shadow existing operations that share their agricultural value systems.
For more information about Bushels & Bags, visit their website https://www.bushelsandbagsfarm.com/ or visit them at the Kershaw Farmers Market in Camden, SC on Saturdays.
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In this episode of the SoilHealthLabs podcast series, Buz Kloot and Joe Dickie chat with Dr. Fred Provenza, professor emeritus of Behavioral Ecology at Utah State University, and author of several important books on animal behavior and land stewardship. Our discussion delves into the profound connections between healthy grasslands and healthy livestock, with Fred sharing personal stories and research that highlight the intricate relationships between soil, plants, animals, and humans.
Fred begins by recounting his early experiences working with Henry DeLuca, a rancher who started in the late 1800s. Henryâs deep understanding of his land and livestock left a lasting impression on Fred, particularly Henryâs practice of retaining his own replacement heifers to ensure they "knew the range." This experience shaped Fredâs lifelong exploration of the dynamic interplay between animals and their environments.
As the conversation progresses, Fred shares intriguing anecdotes about the mutual learning that occurs between livestock mothers and their young. He describes how a calf might explore and learn to eat a plant that the mother avoids, eventually leading the mother to try it as well. This two-way street of learning is crucial for the herd's adaptability and the health of the landscape.
The discussion also touches on the innovative methods used to train livestock, such as using a bitter, non-toxic substance to deter cows from nibbling on saplings. These stories illustrate how thoughtful, experience-based interventions can create sustainable practices that benefit both the animals and the environment.
The conversation then moved towards the wisdom of shepherds, contrasting their role with that of herders. Fred explains that while a herder might direct animals where to go, a shepherd observes and learns from the animals, allowing them to naturally select the plants they need. This approach not only supports animal health but also promotes the biodiversity of the landscape, which is essential for maintaining a healthy ecosystem.
Fred shares insights from his collaboration with French shepherds, particularly with co-author Michel Meuret (see additional resources below), highlighting how they use sequencing in grazing to optimize both animal and land health. By understanding which plants to graze first and in what order, shepherds can ensure that the landscape is utilized sustainably, preventing overgrazing and promoting a balanced ecosystem.
The conversation also explores the broader implications of reconnecting with our food systems. Fred reflects on the disconnect between modern agricultural practices and the land, using the example of Montanaâa state rich in cattle but reliant on imported beef, and the talk he gave at Montanaâs Old Salt Festival. This disconnect, he argues, has weakened our sense of community and our relationship with the land.
As the episode concludes, Fred emphasizes the importance of re-establishing these connections. The wisdom gained from shepherds and their relationship with the land and animals offers valuable lessons for how we approach our food systems today. This episode is a call to action, urging listeners to rediscover the value of experiential knowledge in maintaining the health of our ecosystems.
Additional Resources:
Dr. Fred Provenzaâs Talk at Utah State University: The Web of Life EventDr. Fred Provenzaâs Books:Nourishment: What Animals Can Teach Us about Rediscovering Our Nutritional WisdomForaging Behavior: Managing to Survive in a World of ChangeThe Art & Science of Shepherding: Tapping the Wisdom of French HerdersOld Salt Co-Op (Montana) website: https://www.oldsaltco-op.com/NY Times Article: Montana has more Cows than People: Why Are Locals Eating Beef from Brazil? https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/13/business/montana-meat-old-salt-co-op.html -
In this conversation with Soil Scientist Buz Kloot, Dwayne Beckâ former research manager to Dakota Lakes Research Farmâ discusses the destructive effects of some traditional land management techniques, one of which being tillage. Tillage consistently disrupts soil pore structure and leads to the loss of organic matter, initiating a downward spiral towards desertification. He references the Sahara Desert as an example, which was once a grassland but turned into a desert due to the loss of nutrients.
Beck highlights the importance of integrated farming practices that consider the landâs natural vegetation and climate. On his travels, particularly in Australia, he noticed significant differences in ecosystems based on rainfall patterns and soil water retention. He notes the challenge of farming in regions like Western and Eastern Australia, where the climate and soil conditions differ from grassland regions. He notes that in tree-dominated regions, water moves deep into the soil during winter, beyond the reach of grass-type crops. This creates a challenge under standard agricultural approaches; nutrients being in the soil, but too deep for crops to reach.
He shares his insights on potential solutions, such as integrating perennial crops like sorghum in summer to utilize the nutrient cycles effectively. Dwayne mentions Colin Seis, who developed a system called "pasture cropping" or "grain and graze," which integrates tall grass species and winter crops to create a mixed-species system that enhances nutrient cycling and works in tandem with the seasons. He highlights the benefits of having a mix of perennials and annuals, as it more closely resembles natural ecosystemsâurging farmers to not grow dependent on perennial grains. While annual crops focus on producing seeds, perennials primarily aim to survive until the next yearâ noting that Seisâ âgrain and grazeâ approach, while an insightful guidepost, will not work in every climate.
Dwayne addresses the historical importance of megaherbivores in maintaining landscapes, and how the absence of these animals affects current ecosystems. The subsequent deficiency of deep-rooted species contributes to what he calls a leaky system: soil pH deficiencies leading to water and nutrient leakage. He references Randy Anderson's concept of a "death spiral," and emphasizes the need to restore the soil community to as close to its native condition as possible. This involves reintroducing diversity to rebuild soilâs capacity and productivity.
In a follow-up conversation with Kloot, Beck discusses ongoing challenges and potential solutions for farming in the Jim River region, specifically focusing on salinity issues. Dwayne emphasizes the importance of integrating perennials into farming systems to address these issues, noting that perennials could help manage salinity, although every property will have its own unique needs.
Beck highlights the benefits of having a mix of perennials and annuals, as it more closely resembles natural ecosystems. He notes how pH problems often stem from nutrient cycling deficiencies rather than input deficiencies, recounting an instance where he was asked in a conference how far a farmer would need to go to get lime. Beckâs answer was âThree feet.â He wants to remind farmers that lime is often in the soil, possibly beyond the reach of their standard crops, rather than miles away in a lime mine.
Beck expressed his concern about the increasing emphasis on bio-oil crops like canola, flax, and soybeans, warning that an over-reliance on these crops could exacerbate issues in the Corn Belt. He also mentions innovative uses for crop residues, such as making lumber from corn stalks, and suggests that tallgrass plants could be harvested biennially for biomass production while still benefiting the soil. He acknowledges that while this approach is not as beneficial as grazing, it is still better than many standard agricultural practices.
In all, Beckâs wealth of understanding on crop management and long-term planning underscores the need for strategic thinking in sustainable farming, and makes for an insightful conversation about regenerative land management.
Additional Links:
Dr Randy Andersonâs Spiral of Soil Regeneration:
Part 1: https://www.growingresiliencesd.com/videos?wix-vod-video-id=6mckHaT2Giw&wix-vod-comp-id=comp-l0v2ecy2
Part 2: https://www.growingresiliencesd.com/videos?wix-vod-video-id=aoT8x0VWu_I&wix-vod-comp-id=comp-l0v2ecy2
Part 3: https://www.growingresiliencesd.com/videos?wix-vod-video-id=jJwtd5UtUak&wix-vod-comp-id=comp-l0v2ecy2
Pasture Cropping with Colin Seis:
https://www.wool.com/on-farm-research/weather-the-drought-with-regenerative-agriculture/
Dakota Lakes Research Farm:
http://dakotalakes.com/
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In this weekâs SoilHealthLabs podcast, Gabe and Buz have a chat with Russell Hedrick, a first-generation farmer who began his agricultural journey in 2012 with a focus on no-till farming to minimize equipment costs. Introduced to cover crops by NRCS's Lee Holcomb, he faced skepticism from older farmers but garnered interest from younger peers curious about his methods.
Since then, Hedrick's farm has expanded significantly, collaborating with distilleries and diversifying into cattle and pasture pigs, although they've scaled back livestock due to time constraints. They also produce and sell grits and cornmeal under their brands, ensuring financial security with premium prices far exceeding market rates.
Their diverse crop portfolio includes specialty corn varieties like Jimmy Red and Blue Hopi, favored by distilleries for superior taste profiles and tested for nutrient density despite lower yields.
Buz praises Hedrick's innovation and asks about agroecology and soil health. Hedrick humorously shares a story about a Missouri farmer's struggle with soil health understanding, reflecting on the financial pressures in commodity agriculture that hinder risk-taking.
Reflecting on his early farming days, starting small allowed Hedrick to experiment and learn, boosted by resources like the "Undercover Farmers" video and supportive farmer networks. He details initial challenges with cover crops but notes significant soil health improvements over 12 years, emphasizing increased microbial activity.
Gabe queries the condition of Hedrick's land pre-cover crops, described as degraded despite decades of conventional farming. Hedrick credits cover crops for reducing nitrates in soil and controlling weeds, enhancing water table health.
Buz shifts to community support in farming innovation. Hedrick stresses the importance of addressing specific farmer concerns like finances or erosion, fostering change and practice adoption.
The interview delves into consumer-farmer disconnects, technology's role, and collaborative learning's value. Hedrick shares urbanite struggles on the farm and advocates for knowledge-sharing within farming communities, citing mentorship benefits from peers like Gabe Brown.
He reflects on past errors like overly dense cover crops and excessive organic matter, urging balance in farming practices. His farm's large-scale trials yield data-driven improvements in fertilizer efficiency, influenced by university and private sector collaborations.
Discussing technology integration, Hedrick mentions AI for accessing agricultural research insights, enhancing farm decisions. He extols a lab service offering precise nutrient deficiency corrections, countering generic fertilizer use.
Hedrick highlights regenerative farming's scientific evolution, balancing tradition and innovation. His farm innovations, from Australian compost methods to fertility enhancers, underscore sustainability and yield success.
Hedrick's dynamic farming blends tradition with modern innovations for sustainable productivity. His insights on soil health, consumer education, and farmer collaboration illustrate a progressive approach to agriculture.
To see more about farmer experiences like Russellâs, check out our âUnder Cover Farmersâ video that he mentions influenced him.
To find out more about Russell and his ag. support and consulting company with Liz Haney, visit https://www.agsoilregen.com/.
Have a question for Russell? Contact him here: [email protected] or through Facebook messenger (fb.com/russell.e.hedrick)
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In a lively interview with Buz Kloot, Joe Dickie and Lynn Betts, Maygen and Noah of the band Maygen & the Birdwatcher delve into the origins and evolution of their musical journey and their collaboration with the South Dakota Grasslands Coalition.
The discussion began with Maygen recounting her unexpected path into music, having grown up with 90âs country music in the house thanks to her mother. After having children, she overcame her fear of performing and began as a studio vocalist, eventually forming a duo called Sparrow's Rising. This partnership led to an opportunity to open for the Indigo Girls, where she met Noah, a talented guitarist who shared her passion for music.
Noah's background contrasted Maygen's as he grew up disliking country music, influenced by his father's farm boy roots but personally drawn to classic rock and metal. His appreciation for country music grew over time, and when Maygen and Noah met, they clicked immediately, both musically and personally, leading to the formation of Maygen & the Birdwatcher around 2018.
Their collaboration matured, with Noah stepping into songwriting and contributing significantly to their melodies, lyrics and message. The pair continually pushed each other to learn and grow, resulting in a dynamic and evolving musical partnership.
The conversation then shifted to their acclaimed project, "Where Good Things Grow." Lynn Betts, a consultant for the South Dakota Grassland Coalition, recounted how he discovered Maygen & the Birdwatcher while searching for the perfect band to create a song for a campaign promoting the benefits of grasslands. He spent considerable time listening to various Midwest artists before finding their sound ideal for the project.
Maygen and Noah eagerly embraced the challenge. Inspired by the coalition's work and their own experiences touring the grasslands, they crafted lyrics that captured the essence of the landscape and the interconnectedness of its ecosystem. They wrote two songs initially and combined elements from both to create the final version of "Where Good Things Grow," which resonated deeply with the themes of the campaign.
The intention from the start was to produce a music video, which eventually featured the band performing amidst the prairie, visually complementing the song's message. The result was a powerful and evocative portrayal of the grasslands' beauty and significance.
In recognition of their outstanding work, Maygen & the Birdwatcher received an award from the South Dakota Grassland Coalition, underscoring the impact and excellence of their contribution. The project not only showcased their musical talents but also highlighted the importance of preserving natural landscapes, blending art and advocacy in a compelling way.
Overall, this interview highlights the band's journey, their creative process, and this meaningful and innovative collaboration with the South Dakota Grassland Coalition that defines new ways music and advocacy can intertwine.
Links:
https://wheregoodthingsgrow.org/
Watch the full video for âWhere Good Things Growâ at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FklZNJWNxcY
To find out more about Maygen and Noah, go to: https://www.maygenandthebirdwatcher.com/
or follow them on Facebook or Instagram. @maygenandthebirdwatcher
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In this podcast episode, we chat with Greg Brown, a market gardener at Greenleaf Farms in Columbia, South Carolina. Greg's farm spans about an acre, where he grows a variety of flowers and produce organically, despite not being certified organic. He sells his products at a local farmer's market and to some local restaurants, but his main focus is a CSA (Community Supported Agriculture) program he runs with another farmer.
Greg began his farming journey in Atlanta, Georgia, before moving to Columbia due to health issues that necessitated a heart transplant. Post-recovery, he resumed farming in Columbia about five years ago. He rents an acre of land where he grows various crops, including unique and lesser-known ones like ginger and lemongrass, to keep his farming interesting and to offer something different at the market.
In addition to growing crops, Greg practices companion planting and uses various soil health techniques. He uses lemongrass as mulch and creates his own compost and plant extracts to enrich the soil and manage pests. Greg emphasizes the importance of soil health and regenerative practices, like using cover crops and Korean natural farming techniques, to improve soil organic matter and nutrient levels. He also highlights the role of flowers in attracting pollinators and beneficial insects to his garden.
Greg's approach to farming includes creating natural treatments from plants like comfrey and yarrow, which he ferments into sprays to enhance soil and plant health. He is also enthusiastic about using locally available materials like fall leaves and rice hulls for mulch and composting.
Overall, Greg's focus is on maintaining a sustainable and organic farming practice, enriching the soil naturally, and providing unique, high-quality produce to his community.
Helpful Links
Follow Greg and Greenleaf farms on social media:
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/greenleaffarmssc
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/greenleaf_farms_sc
For more podcast episodes, videos, blogs and other free resources, check out our website: soilhealthlabs.com
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In this first-of-its-kind episode on the Soil Health Labs podcast, we share big news on our expansion into South Carolina. Join us as we introduce Dr. Gabe Kenne, a molecular biologist turned soil health advocate, who will be leading our efforts in the Southeast. This episode sets the stage for whatâs to come, sharing insights into the different agricultural landscapes and practices of South Carolina while maintaining our commitment to soil health principles that benefit land managers everywhere.
We start by discussing the podcast's new focus, emphasizing the universal applicability of soil health principles and the value that South Carolina's unique agricultural conditions will bring to our audience. Dr. Kenne provides an overview of his work in South Carolina, highlighting his transition from molecular biology to hands-on soil health advocacy.
The conversation covers several key projects, including the Cover 5 Project, which demonstrates the benefits of cover crops on poor land, and the Evaluate, Quantify, and Share Project, aimed at helping producers adopt soil health practices with tailored support. Dr. Kenne also shares updates on the Soil Health Labs website, which now features a wealth of archived and new content, and highlights our active social media presence on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.
We also preview our first SC episode (coming soon) featuring Greg Brown. Greg is a successful small-scale vegetable and flower producer in South Carolina. Greg's innovative marketing strategies and strong community presence provide a fascinating case study in successful agricultural practices and community engagement.
As we close, we express our excitement for the upcoming South Carolina-focused episodes and encourage our South Dakota listeners to stay tuned for valuable content. We invite everyone to explore the updated Soil Health Labs website and connect with us on social media for more soil health insights.
Thank you for joining us, and stay tuned for more from the Soil Health Labs podcast!
To learn more about what we're up to (and for more free content and resources), visit our website: soilhealthlabs.com
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In this episode, South Dakota rancher Dan Rasmussen discusses the evolution in practice and mindset needed to sustain ranching in South Dakota. Rasmussen emphasizes the importance of maintaining certain traditional elements of cowboy culture, like community cooperation, while adapting modern, sustainable practices for the benefit of the land, people, and livestock.
Rasmussen's family has been on their South Dakota ranch since 1914. He expresses the need for ranchers to operate their businesses efficiently to preserve the prairie and its ecosystem. He highlights the role of healthy soil, achieved through improved grazing management, as the key to sustainable ranching. Rasmussen's approach involves increasing stocking rates, protecting native prairie, and enhancing soil health to maintain the ranching culture and benefit the environment.
Rasmussen's involvement with the South Dakota Grassland Coalition, where he manages a consulting program to help ranchers implement conservation practices, reflects his commitment to these principles. He discusses the value of education, openness and curiosity in transitioning from conventional season-long grazing to rotational grazing practices that enhance soil health.
Rasmussen also emphasizes the importance of working with nature within ranch management. He discusses the value of rotational grazing, explaining how moving cattle through different pastures in a systematic way helps maintain soil health and supports natural processes. This method allows grass to grow, get grazed, and recover, which ensures better insulation for the soil and longer periods of microbial activity, even in winter.
When addressing the challenges ranchers face in transitioning to new grazing practices, Dan introduces the Dunning-Kruger effect. This psychological phenomenon describes how people with limited knowledge often overestimate their competence, while those with more experience recognize the complexity and feel less confident. Dan explains that new ranchers often get excited and invest heavily after attending a grazing school, only to face difficulties and become disillusioned. To combat this, he stresses the importance of making small, manageable changes and building a support network of mentors and consultants.
Overall, Dan advocates for gradual change, continuous education, and collaboration to achieve healthy soil and successful ranch management while preserving the beneficial elements of traditional ranching culture.
Links:
Downloadable file with 3 graphics that Dan discusse namely (1) Cowboy Life (2) continuum of grazing practices and (3) Dunning-Kreuger effect.
https://f128aa36-278c-4eaa-b840-56a99c2a36ae.usrfiles.com/ugd/f128aa_93829f834b9746e0896f54759b2946f5.pdf
Our Amazing Grasslands Video of the 33 ranch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXWZhkOiyZ4
SD Grasslands Coalition: https://sdgrass.org/
SD Grasslands Coalition Range Consulting program: https://sdgrass.org/range-consulting-program/
SD Grasslands Grazing School: https://sdgrass.org/grazing-school/
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Dwayne Beck is the former Research Manager at Dakota Lakes Research Farm in Pierre, South Dakota. Soil Health Labs researcher Buz Kloot spoke with him in 2013 and again in 2023 about his journey at Dakota Lakes.
When Dakota Lakes Research Farm was first established by local farmers in the early 1980s, the aim was to address irrigation challenges exacerbated by rising energy costs. Dwayne Beck was a graduate student at the time studying irrigation research and ushered the farm toward emphasis on efficient water usage, not only in irrigated but also dryland areas. Over time, the farm's focus expanded beyond irrigation to encompass both dryland and irrigation research, its current goal being to identify, research, and demonstrate methods of strengthening and stabilizing the agriculture economy.
Over time, through the Dakota Lakes property, Beck expanded the regional pool of research on blossoming topics in regenerative agriculture: holistic no-till approaches, effective uses of irrigation, and the conditions necessary to bolster a native mixed-grass prairie ecosystem.
âFarmers are doing âno tillâ in the US in some ways that don't make much sense, because there's no diversity and there's no attention to water cycles and nutrient cycles and sunlight, theyâre just not doing tillageâ basically just a conventional system with the tillage taken out.â
Now, ten years after first speaking to Beck, he has witnessed a local rebirth in small agricultural communities. There has been a noted increase in those working in fertilizer, cropping support businesses, and grain elevators, alongside a heightened understanding of the farmerâs power in soil health issues. Land value has increased, and with it, a broader understanding that healthy soils mean for a healthy community.
âHow do you change the social moorings, so to speak, of a whole area? In the old days, if we had soil erosion happening, ditches filling with dirt-- which was common-- that was just seen as an act of God, something beyond the farmerâs control. And that part has changed.â
Beck hopes in the future to engage non-farming members and absentee landowners in issues of local agriculture. Particularly absentee landowners that rent local land donât often have an intimate understanding of how the land is being managedâ Beck would like to engage these landowners and invite them to express a vested interest in whatâs happening on their land and within their soils.
Engage with Dakota Lakesâ Virtual Field day through the 2020 video series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTZDoxH1GkisubbRzKxg2XA_PIzzPE8PM
Get in touch with Dakota Lakes Research Farm through their website, http://www.dakotalakes.com/contact/ where there is also information on membership.
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In this interview segment between Buz Kloot and Joe Dickie of Lee Briese, Lee Briese discusses his background as an independent crop consultant in East Central North Dakota, specializing in managing salinity issues. He explains how salinity affects crop yields due to osmotic pressure, which makes it difficult for plants to absorb water. Lee emphasizes the complexity of managing salinity, debunking myths such as the belief that tillage improves the situation.
He attributes the worsening of salinity issues to factors like changes in crop rotations, emphasizing that certain crops like corn and soybeans are less tolerant to salinity compared to wheat and barley. Lee discusses the impact of wet and dry cycles on salinity levels, noting that while some actions may temporarily dilute salts, they don't solve the underlying problem.
Lee also addresses the concentration of salinity along roadways due to poor drainage, highlighting the need for watershed-based solutions. He compares managing salinity to managing a wildfire, emphasizing the importance of coordinated efforts across different properties to effectively address the issue.
Overall, the interview provides valuable insights into the challenges of managing salinity in agricultural landscapes and the need for holistic, watershed-based approaches to address this complex issue.
Briese delves into the concept of "Lean Acres," areas of farmland that fail to yield any profit despite receiving inputs. He compares these unproductive areas to hired workers who consistently fail to show up for work, emphasizing the need for farmers to address them promptly. According to Briese, these areas essentially drain resources without providing any return, akin to an unproductive employee.
He illustrates this point by posing a rhetorical question: How long would it take a farmer to fire someone who never shows up for work? The implication is clear - such inefficiencies cannot be tolerated in a business setting, and the same principle should apply to farming operations. Briese suggests that Lean Acres, which have been receiving full inputs without generating any yield, should be treated similarly.
Briese highlights the swiftness with which unproductive workers are typically let go, often within a week. He draws a parallel to the agricultural context, noting that farmers have been allowing these unproductive acres to persist for several years before taking action. This delay in addressing the issue only exacerbates the problem, prolonging the drain on resources.
To remedy the situation, Briese advocates for reassigning these unproductive acres to different tasks that are more suitable. He proposes alternative jobs such as creating wildlife habitat or planting high-tolerance crops like barley or sunflower. By giving these acres a new purpose, farmers can mitigate their negative impact and potentially even derive some value from them.
Moreover, Briese stresses the importance of managing expenses effectively, especially in areas where crops consistently fail to thrive. He suggests that farmers should refrain from investing further resources into these unproductive areas and instead focus on optimizing input usage elsewhere on the farm.
Furthermore, Briese discusses the significance of adjusting expectations when transitioning to alternative land management strategies. While the shift may not result in the same level of profitability as traditional crop production, it can still yield positive outcomes in terms of cost savings and environmental stewardship.
In conclusion, Briese emphasizes the need for proactive management of Lean Acres and encourages farmers to explore alternative land use options. By reevaluating their approach and making strategic adjustments, farmers can mitigate losses and potentially turn unproductive areas into assets for their operations. Briese's insights underscore the importance of adaptability and resourcefulness in modern agricultural practices.
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Weâre excited for the second podcast in this series that we call âAtlas Brainstorming with Dr. Dwayne Beckâ. The original interviews we conducted were in 2013 at Dakota Lakes Research Farm (DLRF) and then Buz Kloot followed up with Dr. Beck in 2024 to see what had happened in the interim.
In this second 2013 interview between Buz and Dwayne, they discuss Dwayne's philosophy of science, particularly focusing on soil health and agriculture. Dwayne explains his systems approach, which is influenced by his upbringing on a farm and his background in chemistry and physics. He emphasizes the importance of understanding the interconnectedness of biological systems and using basic ecological principles to guide agricultural practices.
Dwayne also talks about the challenges he faced in transitioning to sustainable agriculture, especially during a time when funding for research was declining. He highlights the need to balance environmental sustainability with economic viability, acknowledging the real-world constraints faced by farmers.
Throughout the conversation, Dwayne emphasizes the importance of practical research that yields tangible results, contrasting it with purely theoretical or PR-driven approaches. He emphasizes the need for research to be grounded in practical application and tested in real-world conditions, using the metaphor of whether "the dog hunts" to illustrate the concept of effectiveness in agricultural practices.
Overall, the interview provides insights into Dwayne's pragmatic and interdisciplinary approach to agricultural research, highlighting the importance of integrating scientific principles with practical considerations for sustainable farming practices.
In the 2024 interview between Buz and Dwayne Beck regarding progress at Dakota Lakes Research Farm, Dwayne Beck emphasizes the long-term nature of the results achieved, particularly in response to effective management practices. He highlights the importance of sustainable agricultural management strategies that not only deliver immediate benefits but also contribute to long-term success and resilience.
Dwayne stresses the significance of implementing management practices that are environmentally friendly while also being economically viable. He discusses how their approach at Dakota Lakes involves a combination of ecological principles, practical farming experiences, and scientific research to develop sustainable solutions. This approach, according to Dwayne, is essential for ensuring that the results achieved are not short-lived but have lasting impacts on soil health, crop productivity, and overall farm sustainability.
Furthermore, Dwayne underscores the need to continually evaluate and adapt management practices based on ongoing research and practical outcomes. He discusses the collaborative efforts with researchers from South Dakota State University, indicating a commitment to integrating academic insights with on-the-ground experiences to drive continuous improvement and long-term success at Dakota Lakes Research Farm.
Overall, Dwayne's perspective emphasizes the crucial role of effective and forward-thinking management in achieving sustainable agricultural outcomes that endure over time.
Engage with Dakota Lakesâ Virtual Field day through the 2020 video series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTZDoxH1GkisubbRzKxg2XA_PIzzPE8PM
Get in touch with Dakota Lakes Research Farm through their website, http://www.dakotalakes.com/contact/ where there is also information on membership.
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The conversation begins with Matt sharing a bit about his background, growing up on military bases in Germany and having ties to agriculture through his family's farming history. He then talks about his education and work experience in fisheries, water quality, and conservation, leading up to his current role as an agronomist at Ducks Unlimited. Matt also briefly mentions his personal experience with livestock and land management.
The podcast interview between Buz Kloot, Matt Hubers, and Joe Dickie delves into the pressing issue of salinity in agricultural systems, particularly in South Dakota. Matt Hubers, an agronomist at Ducks Unlimited, brings valuable expertise and insights into the discussion, drawing from his background in natural resource management and personal involvement in agriculture.
Matt discusses the historical and current factors contributing to salinity problems, such as changes in cropping practices and increased tillage. He highlights the detrimental effects of salinity on soil health and crop productivity, emphasizing the need for proactive measures to mitigate these issues. Matt suggests strategies like diversifying cropping systems, reducing tillage, and incorporating perennial grasses to address salinity and maintain soil cover.
The conversation also touches on the escalating salinity issues in specific regions, such as the James River Valley, and the importance of early diagnosis and intervention. Matt stresses the role of technical and financial assistance from organizations like Ducks Unlimited, emphasizing that now is the opportune time for farmers to seek help and implement solutions.
Joe Dickie raises questions about the broader implications of salinity issues and government assistance for non-farmers. Matt underscores the interconnectedness of agriculture with clean water, clean air, and healthy food, highlighting the benefits of supporting sustainable agricultural practices for all residents of South Dakota.
In summary, the interview underscores the urgency of addressing salinity problems, provides practical insights into mitigation strategies, and emphasizes the importance of collaborative efforts to sustain agriculture and preserve the state's landscape for future generations.
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