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  • Dialogue Killers Revealed: Beat Ad Hominem & Proxies to Reclaim Civil Political Talk

    Dialogue Killers Revealed: Beat Ad Hominem & Proxies to Reclaim Civil Political Talk

    · Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other

    In this edition, host Corey Nathan dives into two behaviors that shut down meaningful dialogue before it even starts: ad hominem attacks and treating individuals as proxies for groups. Drawing from real-life interactions and candid personal stories, Corey illustrates why civil discourse matters now more than ever.

    What Is Discussed:

    Why personal attacks destroy productive dialogue

    How assuming people represent an entire group harms mutual understanding

    Strategies for better conversations: passive, defensive, and proactive

    Why labels and assumptions often miss the mark

    The power of treating others as individuals with unique stories

    Episode Highlights:

    1:00 – Defining the two dialogue killers: ad hominem and proxy labeling

    2:00 – A local mayor faces national-level hostility in small-town politics

    4:00 – A neighborly disagreement about family farms shows how it can be done right

    5:00 – Corey’s impassioned reaction to toxic comments and attacks

    10:00 – When people are reduced to stand-ins for political ideologies

    14:00 – Facebook comments spiral as users resort to vilifying each other

    19:00 – Setting realistic expectations when engaging across divides

    27:00 – “I will not defend positions I don’t hold”—drawing healthy boundaries

    30:00 – Lessons from the fight for marriage equality: changing hearts through human connection

    33:00 – Passive, defensive, and proactive strategies to communicate better

    Featured Quotes:

    “People are people—not proxies...”

    “I will not defend positions that I don’t hold.”

    “You’re not talking to ‘them,’ you’re talking to me.”

    “Go talk some politics and religion with gentleness and respect.”

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  • Bishop Mary D. Glasspool, Trailblazing Leader in the Episcopal Church, on Challenging Tradition and Navigating Faith

    Bishop Mary D. Glasspool, Trailblazing Leader in the Episcopal Church, on Challenging Tradition and Navigating Faith

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    In this inspiring episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes Bishop Mary D. Glasspool, a pioneering leader in the Episcopal Church and the first openly lesbian woman to be consecrated as a bishop in the Anglican Communion. Since 2016, she has served as Assistant Bishop in the Episcopal Diocese of New York. Bishop Mary shares her personal journey of faith, identity, leadership, and inclusion, offering insights into navigating the intersections of religion, politics, and justice.

    What We Discuss:

    Bishop Mary’s journey as a trailblazer in the Episcopal Church

    How her faith and identity evolved in tandem

    What the Philadelphia 11 meant to her and the church

    Navigating hard conversations across deep differences

    What gives her hope for the future of the church and the world

    Episode Highlights:

    01:00 – Corey introduces Bishop Mary and her groundbreaking role

    06:00 – Growing up in a multigenerational Episcopal family

    17:00 – The impact of the Philadelphia 11 and her call to ministry

    27:00 – Coming out and confronting institutional theology

    34:00 – Stories of ministry, mentorship, and pioneering women

    43:00 – Navigating political division in local churches

    50:00 – Her retirement plans and what’s next

    1:02:00 – On non-binary thinking, listening deeply, and collaboration

    Featured Quotes:

    “We can do this. It is possible to talk politics and religion without killing each other.”“The best way to be ecumenical is to be deeply rooted and grounded in your own faith.”“Diversity is a strength… It can help us grow and become stronger as human beings.”“We need to allow for silence. We need to listen.”

    Resources Mentioned:

    The Philadelphia Eleven Documentary: https://www.philadelphiaelevenfilm.com

    The Episcopal Church: https://www.episcopalchurch.org

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  • Reasoned Humility: Pastor David Hegg on Theology, Differences, and Engaging Culture

    Reasoned Humility: Pastor David Hegg on Theology, Differences, and Engaging Culture

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    In this episode, host Corey Nathan is joined by Pastor David Hegg, Senior Pastor at Grace Baptist Church in Santa Clarita, CA. With decades of experience, a master’s in theology, and a doctorate in preaching, Pastor Hegg shares his unique journey into ministry, his thoughts on biblical teaching, and how Christians can faithfully navigate today’s cultural and political landscape.

    What We Discuss:

    How Pastor Hegg's early struggles shaped his path in ministry

    The importance of preaching Scripture as it was originally written

    A biblical approach to Christian leadership and cultural engagement

    Insights into the role of conscience in political decision-making

    Why “reasoned humility” is essential for healthy public discourse

    Episode Highlights:

    00:04:00 – From mowing the church lawn to pastoring a large congregation

    00:10:00 – Disputes over doctrine: seminary conflict and church governance

    00:19:00 – Faith vs. science: Genesis, creationism, and biblical authority

    00:25:00 – Why many pastors feel exhausted, and how to sustain ministry

    00:30:00 – Handling political pressure and cultural division during COVID

    00:36:00 – Engaging LGBTQ+ individuals with truth and grace

    00:43:00 – What it means to “withdraw” from politics without disengaging

    00:54:00 – Preview of Pastor Hegg’s upcoming books and a theological novel

    Featured Quotes:

    “What God has for us is always best for us.” – Pastor David Hegg“We must hold our beliefs with reasoned humility.”“You can’t come to any text without a framework, but you must be willing to reform that framework based on Scripture.”“We don’t throw darts—we meet people where they are and walk with them.”

    Resources Mentioned:

    Grace Baptist Church: gracebaptist.org

    The Obedience Option: www.amazon.com/s?k=The+Obedience+Option+David+Hegg

    The Well: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=The+Well+David+Hegg

    Mind & Cosmos by Thomas Nagel: www.goodreads.com/book/show/13690432-mind-cosmos📣 Call to Action:

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  • (ICYMI) Sussing out Excellent Journalism from All the Crap with Julie Mason, SiriusXM Radio Host and Former White House Reporter

    (ICYMI) Sussing out Excellent Journalism from All the Crap with Julie Mason, SiriusXM Radio Host and Former White House Reporter

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    “You’ve got to be willing to kick your sources right in the balls if necessary, even if they’re your friends.”

    Julie Mason came up the ranks at regional newspapers before becoming a White House reporter. On her SiriusXM radio show, you can tell how much she loves and champions good reporters and reveres excellent journalism. And that's one of the many reasons we love Julie Mason! So we're re-booting our most recent conversation with Julie from earlier this year...

    In this episode, host Corey Nathan reconnects with Julie Mason, renowned journalist and host of The Julie Mason Show on SiriusXM’s POTUS channel. Julie brings decades of experience in journalism, spanning local, state, and national politics, and shares her sharp insights on the evolving media landscape, political discourse, and the state of journalism today.

    What We Discuss:The evolving role of journalists in a polarized media environment.How to navigate news consumption and discern credible sources.Insights into the challenges of covering politicians and divisive topics.The growing intersection between social media platforms and journalism.Why re-engaging with quality news content is critical to democracy.Mike Pence: The King of Hilarity... Wait. WHAT?!?! No, reallyEpisode Highlights:[00:00:00] – Corey welcomes Julie back to the podcast after four years and reflects on her journey in journalism, from print reporting to hosting her SiriusXM show.[00:09:00] – Julie explains how she transitioned from print to radio and why she took the leap into the unfamiliar world of broadcasting.[00:20:00] – The challenges of modern journalism: Julie addresses disinformation, lies in politics, and why reporters must focus on stories that truly impact people’s lives.[00:27:00] – A discussion on how journalism is evolving to meet the needs of a fatigued audience, from long-form storytelling to true crime podcasts.[00:40:00] – Julie emphasizes the importance of journalists remaining stoic and professional, especially during major historical events like January 6th.[00:47:00] – Corey and Julie explore ways to have constructive conversations with people across ideological divides, drawing inspiration from bipartisan efforts in Congress.[00:55:00] – Julie’s call to action: Why supporting quality journalism through subscriptions and active engagement matters more than ever.Featured Quotes:“You’ve got to be willing to kick your sources right in the balls if necessary, even if they’re your friends.”“Politician lied is not really the story—focus on what impacts people’s lives.”“To have meaningful conversations, you have to put down your weapons and see the humanity in the other person.”Resources Mentioned:The Julie Mason Show on SiriusXM’s POTUS Channel – www.siriusxm.com/channels/potus-politics Substack Recommendations:The Great Transformation with Mike MadridTom LoBianco’s 24SightOliver Darcy’s SubstackThe Contrarian by Jennifer Rubin and Laurence TribeDirty John Podcast – Listen Here📣 Call to Action:

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  • ICYMI - Wajahat Ali: Navigating Chaos and Divisiveness with Hope and Humanity

    ICYMI - Wajahat Ali: Navigating Chaos and Divisiveness with Hope and Humanity

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    A lot's happened already this year. So it's worth re-setting this conversation with friend of the pod, Wajahat Ali, from earlier this year...

    When there's such chaos amd divisiveness all around us, what can we do to cultivate a sense of hope and humanity?

    In this episode, we welcome back Wajahat Ali, celebrated writer, editor of The Left Hook Substack, co-host of Democracy-ish Podcast, and author. Known for his humor and insight, Waj brings his unique perspective as a father, storyteller, and political commentator to discuss navigating the tumultuous political and social landscape of 2025. Together, Corey and Wajahat dive deep into themes of decency, empathy, and how to cultivate hope amid chaos.

    Episode Highlights:[00:02:00] Wajahat muses about earning a "Five Timer Club" t-shirt.[00:04:00] Discussion on the California wildfires and the politicization of natural disasters.[00:06:00] Wajahat analyzes the blame game targeting DEI initiatives in crisis situations.[00:09:00] Corey and Wajahat explore the role of empathy and decency in politics.[00:11:00] Wajahat reflects on hope during his daughter’s cancer journey and how that translates to political resilience.[00:16:00] Star Wars analogy: How everyday people (the "Ewoks") can fight against authoritarianism.[00:22:00] A candid discussion on America's historical resistance to progress and how that impacts the current political climate.[00:35:00] The importance of rest and joy in sustaining activism and engagement.[00:54:00] Wajahat’s advice on engaging with people across ideological divides—when to plant seeds of change and when to walk away.Featured Quotes:"Hope is optimism with action. It's believing in a better story but doing your part to get there." – Wajahat Ali"You can't save everyone. The caravan must move forward, but the doors remain open." – Wajahat Ali"We could have been so much better, and we chose this." – Wajahat Ali"One conversation with one person can create a ripple effect. Even a one-degree shift can matter." – Corey NathanHow to find Waj:The Left Hook | https://thelefthook.substack.com/Democracy-ish | https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/democracy-ish/id1473376303Bluesky | https://bsky.app/profile/wajali.bsky.social📣 Call to Action:

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  • Standing with Ukraine: Alexander Vindman on U.S. Foreign Policy, Putin’s Threat, and the Folly of Trumpism

    Standing with Ukraine: Alexander Vindman on U.S. Foreign Policy, Putin’s Threat, and the Folly of Trumpism

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    In this episode, we welcome back Dr. Alexander Vindman—retired U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel and former Director for European Affairs on the White House National Security Council. Known for his key role in the first Trump impeachment and his deep expertise in Eastern European affairs, Vindman returns to discuss his latest book, The Folly of Realism: How the West Deceived Itself About Russia and Betrayed Ukraine. The conversation dives into the geopolitical stakes of the ongoing war in Ukraine, U.S. foreign policy across administrations, and the importance of civic responsibility in the face of authoritarianism.

    What We Discuss:

    Why U.S. administrations consistently misunderstood Russia and Ukraine.

    The concept of “Neo-Idealism” and its value in foreign policy.

    How family history and personal experience shaped Vindman’s worldview.

    The political realities facing Ukraine and the U.S. in a post-Trump world.

    The role of values in sustaining democratic institutions.

    Episode Highlights:

    [00:01:00] Introduction to Alexander Vindman and his background.

    [00:04:30] Alex's twin brother Eugene Vindman’s transition to Congress and bipartisan cooperation.

    [00:17:00] Reconnecting with family in Ukraine and the impact of history.

    [00:25:00] The thousand-year struggle for Ukrainian sovereignty.

    [00:38:00] Why equating Russia with Cold War power is misguided.

    [00:44:30] Vindman defines “Neo-Idealism” and its global implications.

    [01:00:00] The danger of Trumpism and dismantling of democratic norms.

    [01:07:00] How we can engage across political and cultural divides.

    Featured Quotes:

    “Russia, absent Ukraine, ceases to be an empire. With Ukraine, it becomes one.” – Alexander Vindman“Neo-Idealism is about tethering our interests to our values and committing to them over the long term.” – Alexander Vindman“We succumbed to misplaced hopes and fears. We thought if we treated Russia as a partner, it would behave like one.” – Alexander Vindman“You can find common ground by talking about family. That’s where our shared concerns lie.” – Alexander Vindman

    Resources Mentioned:

    The Folly of Realism – www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/alexander-vindman/the-folly-of-realism/9781541705043

    Alexander Vindman’s Substack – www.avindman.com

    Alexander Vindman on Bluesky - @avindman.bsky.social📣 Call to Action:

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  • Stop Toxic Partisanship (Doing Our Part): Finding Humanity in Polarized Politics & Religion

    Stop Toxic Partisanship (Doing Our Part): Finding Humanity in Polarized Politics & Religion

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    In this episode, host Corey Nathan reflects on a pivotal shift in direction for the podcast. The solo episodes of “Talkin’ Politics & Religion Without Killin’ Each Other” will be moving toward a more practical focus—answering the question of how we engage in tough conversations about politics and religion in more productive, neighborly, human ways. Drawing from years of interviews, personal experiences, and lively social media debates, Corey opens up about the challenges and tools needed to bridge our deepest divides.

    What's Discussed:

    Why Corey is focusing more on how we talk about politics and religion, not just what we talk about

    The role of "epistemic bubbles" and "informational universes" in shaping our perspectives

    Tools and strategies for engaging across political and religious differences

    How grace, curiosity, and relationship-building can change the tone of even the toughest conversations

    Real-life examples from Corey’s online and offline experiences—including some Facebook showdowns!

    Episode Highlights:

    [00:02:00] Corey announces a new focus on practical tools for civil dialogue

    [00:06:00] The concept of “epistemic ecosystems” and how they isolate us

    [00:10:00] Why you can’t “convert” someone in one conversation—but you can plant seeds

    [00:13:00] Mike Madrid: “Effective communication across bubbles requires more than simply correcting facts...”

    [00:17:00] A quote from the Constitution sparks a wild Facebook debate

    [00:24:00] From “literate idiots” to neighbors with nuance—Corey breaks down who shows up online

    [00:32:00] How to actively listen, lead with curiosity, and find the serious point in a noisy thread

    [00:45:00] Tips on when to pick your spot, take it offline, or simply walk away

    Featured Quotes:

    “Sometimes you can’t teach someone a new language—but you can give them a few new words.”“Give yourself grace. You’re going to mess it up. But keep showing up.”“Effective communication across bubbles requires more than simply correcting facts. It demands engaging underlying values and concerns.”

    Resources Mentioned:

    Mike Madrid’s Substack - The Great Transformation: greattransformation.substack.comTangle News: www.readtangle.comGround News: ground.newsVillage SquareCast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/village-squarecast/id1520059234📣 Call to Action:

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  • Serene Jones on Grace, Grit, and God: How Faith Can Heal a Fractured Democracy

    Serene Jones on Grace, Grit, and God: How Faith Can Heal a Fractured Democracy

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    In this episode, host Corey Nathan speaks with Rev. Dr. Serene Jones, President of Union Theological Seminary. As the first woman to lead the historic 180-year-old institution, Dr. Jones brings deep insight to the intersection of theology, justice, and public life. Together, they explore how Christian faith can guide us through trauma, division, and democracy’s challenges, while sharing stories of growing up in faith and creating space for conversations across political and religious divides.

    What We Discuss:

    How Serene Jones’ upbringing shaped her theological lens

    What theology has to do with democracy and justice

    Why questions are a sign of faith, not doubt

    The importance of building bridges, even when no one’s building from the other side

    How seminaries are evolving to meet the needs of a changing world

    Episode Highlights:

    [00:03:00] A unique faith upbringing in the Disciples of Christ tradition

    [00:07:00] Church as a place of learning about democracy, justice, and real life

    [00:13:00] The message of Micah 4 and how it resonates with global conflict today

    [00:27:00] The role of theology in shaping public ethics and spiritual resilience

    [00:39:00] Navigating campus dialogue during protests and unrest

    [00:44:00] Three calls for progressive communities in red states

    [00:51:00] Addressing collective and generational trauma through faith

    [00:53:00] Asking: What would Jesus do—really?

    Featured Quotes:

    “Faith that’s not equipped to deal with the big questions of life is not a faith worth its weight.”“If we are not building bridges, there’s no one there to catch people when they fall.”“Theology is not just an abstraction. It’s an action. It’s a way of living in the world.”“The crisis in our nation is a massive spiritual crisis—for all of us.”

    Resources Mentioned:Union Theological Seminary – utsnyc.eduCall It Grace by Serene Jones – www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/2146640/serene-jones/

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  • From the Boardroom to Town Hall: Leading with Civility with Mayor Lisa Willey Knierim

    From the Boardroom to Town Hall: Leading with Civility with Mayor Lisa Willey Knierim

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    In this episode, host Corey Nathan reconnects with Lisa Willey Knierim—Mayor of Cranbury Township, NJ, President of 1880 Hospitality, and high school pal. Lisa shares powerful insights into the realities of small-town governance, the impact of state housing mandates, and the ripple effects of national political discourse. From boardrooms to township meetings, she brings candor, civility, and a healthy dose of humor to the conversation.

    What We Discuss:

    How national political polarization affects small-town governments.

    What the Mount Laurel Doctrine means for affordable housing in NJ.

    The value of listening and transparency in political leadership.

    How Six Sigma strategies works in business—and public service.

    Real-world consequences of recent U.S. tariff policy from a global trade professional.

    Episode Highlights:

    [00:03:00] The structure of Cranbury’s local government and Lisa’s role as mayor

    [00:07:00] Breaking down the affordable housing mandate and land challenges

    [00:14:00] How partisan behavior has filtered into local meetings

    [00:24:00] Six Sigma in practice: business problem-solving that works

    [00:27:00] Why abrupt tariff policy changes hurt American businesses

    [00:34:00] Lisa’s close election win and continued work with her predecessor

    [00:45:00] Remembering the best of our communities post-pandemic

    [00:53:00] Lisa’s campaign to bring back civility in politics

    Featured Quotes:

    “At the local level, I wish I didn’t even have to declare my party. It feels absolutely irrelevant.” – Lisa Willey Knierim

    “You’ve got to create a vanilla ice cream environment—not too spicy. Be compassionate, be practical, be human.”

    “National-level problems shouldn’t be light-switch decisions.”

    “It’s not that I can’t solve the problem. But I can listen. That’s halfway there.”

    Resources Mentioned:

    Six Sigma Black Belt Certification: asq.org/cert/six-sigma-black-beltCranbury Township Info: www.cranburytownship.org/Lisa Willey Knierim Campaign Page: www.facebook.com/LisaKnierimTC22📣 Call to Action:

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  • Beyond Outrage and Misperceptions: Building the Muscles for Democracy (with More In Common's Kate Carney)

    Beyond Outrage and Misperceptions: Building the Muscles for Democracy (with More In Common's Kate Carney)

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    In this episode, Corey Nathan sits down with Kate Carney, Deputy Director at More in Common. Kate shares her fascinating journey—from working in Congress to boating 6,000 miles around the U.S.—and how those experiences shape her work today. The conversation centers on More in Common’s new report, The Connection Opportunity, and explores how we can foster meaningful relationships across political, racial, religious, and socioeconomic divides.

    What's Discussed:

    Why social connection is critical to healthy democracy.

    Surprising data on Americans’ openness to diverse perspectives.

    How psychological factors like intergroup anxiety impact connection.

    Kate’s transformative journey completing the Great American Loop.

    Real-world solutions for bridging divides in your own community.

    Episode Highlights:

    02:00 – Kate’s 6,000-mile boat journey and what it taught her about America.

    10:00 – The Connection Opportunity: How More in Common is reframing social cohesion.

    21:00 – Why politics remains the most difficult line of difference to cross.

    25:00 – The power of community norms and intergroup anxiety.

    32:00 – Revisiting the "Hidden Tribes" report and what’s changed since its release.

    41:00 – The seven levers of change for increasing social connection.

    48:00 – How cities like Kansas City, Houston and Pittsburgh are fostering community dialogue.

    54:00 – Personal agency and why democracy starts with you.

    Featured Quotes:“We are inherently diverse. To build strong communities, we have to be intentional about connecting across our differences.” — Kate Carney“The more people connect across difference, the more they want to—it’s a cascade.” — Kate Carney“There’s an overwhelming desire to have these conversations. It’s the fortress of assumptions that gets in our way.” — Corey Nathan

    Resources Mentioned:

    More in Common: www.moreincommonus.com

    The Connection Opportunity Report: moreincommonus.com/publication/the-connection-opportunity

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  • Trump's Attack on Decency and Your Constitutional Rights: Why It's NOT Normal

    Trump's Attack on Decency and Your Constitutional Rights: Why It's NOT Normal

    · Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other

    In this episode, host Corey Nathan reflects on where we stand as a country several months into the current administration. With candor and conviction, Corey explores the themes of democracy, decency, and due process. Drawing from scripture, the Constitution, and commentary by thought leaders like David Brooks and Mike Madrid, this episode delivers a compelling, timely snapshot of America’s civic health—and what’s at stake moving forward.

    What's Discussed:

    Why the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments are more important than ever

    The consequences of immigration policies that bypass due process

    How the economy (including tariffs and inflation) is impacting voters

    What swayed key constituencies in the 2024 election

    What to watch for heading into 2026 and 2028

    Episode Highlights:

    [00:02:00] Framing the episode: A “temperature check” on America

    [00:05:00] The First Amendment under threat

    [00:07:00] Due process and the constitutional rights of all persons

    [00:14:00] What really moved voters in 2024 (spoiler: price of eggs + immigration)

    [00:17:00] A powerful quote from David Brooks on civilizational foundations

    [00:22:00] Legal attacks and a defense of constitutional law

    [00:29:00] Polling data showing shifts in public opinion

    [00:34:00] Real-world impact on families, students, and small businesses

    Featured Quotes:

    “Nor shall any person be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.”“Don’t talk to me about Donald Trump being a brilliant businessman—he’s a brilliant thief.”“For me, it’s about democracy and decency. Always has been.”

    Resources Mentioned:

    David Brooks: "What’s Happening Is Not Normal" (NYT) – www.nytimes.com/2025/04/17/opinion/trump-harvard-law-firms.htmlAdam Unikowsky on Substack – adamunikowsky.substack.com/p/the-case-for-suingMike Madrid's Substack, The Great Transformation – substack.com/@madridmike📣 Call to Action:

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  • E.J. Dionne:

    E.J. Dionne: "Come, Let Us Reason Together" | Resisting Extremism and the Path to National Healing

    · Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other

    In this episode, host Corey Nathan talks with renowned journalist, scholar, and public intellectual E.J. Dionne Jr. E.J. is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a syndicated columnist for The Washington Post, a professor at Georgetown University, and a prolific author. Together, they discuss democracy, faith, political polarization, and the enduring need for real argument and hope in public life.

    What We Discuss:

    How E.J.’s upbringing shaped his approach to political debate and dialogue.

    Why engaging seriously with opposing ideas is crucial to democracy.

    The difference between optimism and hope — and why hope is essential.

    How faith and civil society contribute to repairing societal divisions.

    Episode Highlights:

    [00:03:00] E.J. shares how his father encouraged open political debate.

    [00:06:00] Reflections on DEI, the “woke” debates, and critiques of excesses.

    [00:10:00] The Trump administration’s unintended role in uniting pro-democracy groups.

    [00:15:00] Anger and economic grievances in Fall River, Massachusetts.

    [00:24:00] Why hope, not just optimism, is vital for public life.

    [00:36:00] E.J.’s personal faith journey and the importance of humble belief.

    [00:48:00] Reflections on Pope Francis’ legacy and the Catholic Church.

    [01:05:00] What worries E.J. about democracy today — and what gives him hope.

    Featured Quotes:"In real argument, you enter imaginatively into the ideas your opponent holds." — E.J. Dionne"Hope is the virtue on which faith and love depend." — E.J. Dionne"You can really disagree with people you love, and you can love people you disagree with." — E.J. Dionne"We find sanctity even in mundane conversations." — Corey Nathan

    Resources Mentioned:

    📘 Souled Out: Reclaiming Faith and Politics after the Religious Right - Princeton University Press

    📰 E.J. Dionne's column at The Washington Post – www.washingtonpost.com/people/ej-dionne-jr

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  • The Unflinching Eye: McKay Coppins on Journalism, the Threats to Our Freedoms and the Power of Inquiry

    The Unflinching Eye: McKay Coppins on Journalism, the Threats to Our Freedoms and the Power of Inquiry

    · Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other

    🎙️Award-winning journalist and Atlantic staff writer McKay Coppins joins us to explore the delicate intersections of politics, faith, and journalism. From shadowing Donald Trump to chronicling the political journey of Mitt Romney, McKay shares what it takes to pursue truth in turbulent times.

    What We Discuss:

    What it’s like getting rare access to Trump, Romney, and the Murdochs

    How to navigate political rationalizations without losing your soul

    McKay’s writing rituals and creative process

    The powerful role of curiosity in building bridges across divides

    Why faith and civic life matter more than ever

    Episode Highlights:

    00:02:00 – McKay’s infamous 2014 Trump profile and its surprising legacy00:10:00 – How luck and sincere curiosity lead to exclusive access00:16:00 – Late nights, caps lock, and McKay’s writing habits00:29:00 – The chilling effect of political intimidation on journalism00:41:00 – Why many GOP leaders stay silent—and what Romney heard behind the scenes00:50:00 – Do you lose your soul in politics? A deep dive00:57:00 – The spiritual vacuum in modern America and how faith might fill it01:02:00 – Why curiosity is the cure for today’s civic divide

    Featured Quotes:

    "He seemed like he desperately wanted affirmation all the time... and it was like empty calories." "To be somebody who has faith is to constantly have it tested and to have it evolve.""We need leaders thinking more about their obituaries than the next news cycle.""Curiosity is an underrated virtue in politics."

    Resources Mentioned:

    📘 Romney: A Reckoning – Simon and Schuster📘 The Wilderness – Hachette Book Group📰 McKay’s articles at The Atlantic – Visit

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  • I Was Right About the Law, But My Delivery Was WRONG: How to Discuss Threats to Our Rights Without Being a Jerk

    I Was Right About the Law, But My Delivery Was WRONG: How to Discuss Threats to Our Rights Without Being a Jerk

    · Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other

    In this episode, host Corey Nathan shares a candid reflection about a recent encounter where he was right on the facts and the law—but completely wrong in how he presented them. Yet if we're honest with ourselves about when we make mistakes, it's a good opportunity to learn, reminding us that how we communicate is just as important as what we communicate.

    What You’ll Learn:

    Why being right on the law isn’t enough in a conversation

    How righteous anger can derail productive dialogue

    Why due process matters for everyone—especially those who aren't guilty of crimes

    Tools for engaging in hard conversations with empathy and curiosity

    How the Constitution and Judeo-Christian values intersect in public discourse

    Episode Highlights:

    [00:02:00] Corey introduces the story and the key lesson he learned

    [00:05:00] Breakdown of the Alien Enemies Act and a real legal case

    [00:06:45] A stranger challenges Corey at a restaurant

    [00:07:30] Corey "goes Jersey" and loses his cool

    [00:13:00] What due process really protects and why it matters

    [00:16:00] How Isaac Saul, David Brooks, and MĂłnica GuzmĂĄn inspired a better way to respond

    [00:18:00] Reading the First and Fifth Amendments to ground the conversation

    Featured Quotes:

    "I was completely right on the facts, but I was completely wrong on the delivery." — Corey Nathan"Due process is there for the innocent just as much as the guilty—even more so for the innocent." — Corey Nathan"Ask at least three questions before making your point." — inspired by Isaac Saul📣 Call to Action:

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  • Untangling the Partisan Knot: A Balanced Look at Political News with Isaac Saul of Tangle

    Untangling the Partisan Knot: A Balanced Look at Political News with Isaac Saul of Tangle

    · Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other

    In this episode, we sit down with Isaac Saul, founder of Tangle, a widely respected, nonpartisan political newsletter. Isaac and his team bring a fresh approach to political journalism by curating multiple perspectives—right, left, and independent—on major stories of the day. Corey, a fan and avid reader of Tangle, dives deep into Isaac’s upbringing in Bucks County, PA, how that shaped his civic “multilingualism,” and the genesis of Tangle during a particularly difficult phase of his career. Together, they explore the challenges of journalistic ethics, political polarization, media bias, and the future of trustworthy news.

    What We Discuss:

    Why Bucks County, PA, is so friggin' awesome! And why it plays a crucial role in shaping moderate political thinkers.

    How Isaac Saul built Tangle from the ground up as a response to media frustration.

    The journalistic principles and ethical guardrails that guide Isaac’s work.

    How to discern quality journalism in an era dominated by clickbait and misinformation.

    The dangers of polarization and what gives Isaac hope about our democratic future.

    Episode Highlights:

    [00:01:00] Isaac Saul shares the mission behind Tangle and what inspired him to create it.

    [00:05:00] Corey and Isaac explore how growing up in politically diverse Bucks County cultivated empathy and civic fluency.

    [00:10:00] Isaac discusses his unique way of reaching conspiracy-minded friends—by “using their language” and exposing financial incentives in media.

    [00:15:00] Isaac describes his journalistic background and the importance of reporting with integrity and skepticism.

    [00:24:00] Isaac recounts his “f*** this” moment that led to launching Tangle after being rejected from multiple major outlets.

    [00:34:00] Corey explains his methodical approach to reading Tangle and how it helps refine his own viewpoints.

    [00:40:00] Behind the scenes: How Isaac and his team choose stories and fairly represent both sides of complex political issues.

    [00:54:00] Isaac shares his hopes and fears about political division, executive overreach, and the role of media in democracy.

    Featured Quotes:

    "The people who are really politically engaged on the right and the left right now are living in just different realities." – Isaac Saul"I know what I think. It’s the least interesting thing on the planet. I live with this brain all day. I want to hear what others think." – Isaac Saul"You should treat every click like you're handing a news outlet a dollar." – Isaac Saul"Centrism is an ideology in and of itself. I’m not trying to land in the middle—I’m just being honest about my real reactions." – Isaac Saul

    Resources Mentioned:

    Tangle Newsletter – www.readtangle.comIsaac Saul’s TED Talk: “What Media Doesn’t Tell You” – youtu.be/543mYKKh1EE?si=CjdQv94HzT04vknhHow Media Bias Works (Tangle article) – www.readtangle.com/why-the-media-is-broken/Isaac on Twitter: x.com/Ike_Saul📣 Call to Action:

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  • (ICYMI) Beyond Right and Left: Rabbi Sharon Brous and the Courage to Ask 'What Do You See?' After October 7th

    (ICYMI) Beyond Right and Left: Rabbi Sharon Brous and the Courage to Ask 'What Do You See?' After October 7th

    · Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other

    In this deeply moving episode, Corey Nathan welcomes Rabbi Sharon Brous, the senior and founding rabbi of IKAR, a groundbreaking Jewish community based in Los Angeles. Rabbi Brous is also the author of The Amen Effect: Ancient Wisdom to Heal Our Hearts and Mend Our Broken World. Together, they explore ancient traditions, mental health, spiritual leadership, and how to foster deeper, more compassionate human connections even across profound divides.

    What We Discuss:

    The ancient ritual of turning toward the brokenhearted and its modern relevance.

    The profound impact of being seen and embraced in moments of vulnerability.

    How leaders carry and process communal pain—and why that matters.

    Practical wisdom on staying curious and compassionate across ideological divides.

    The role of community design in spiritual experiences.

    Episode Highlights:

    [00:01:00] Rabbi Brous explains the Mishnah Middot and the ritual of turning toward the brokenhearted.

    [00:08:00] Corey and Rabbi Brous discuss the concept of sin as a burden like mental illness.

    [00:15:00] The transformative power of being truly seen and how crying makes space for new realities.

    [00:20:00] Rabbi Brous reflects on the toll leadership can take and how caregivers must process pain.

    [00:24:00] The design of IKAR’s prayer space and how it fosters visibility and community.

    [00:34:00] Navigating discomfort with changes in religious leadership and traditions.

    [00:42:00] How to stay at the table with those who hurt or anger us—and why it’s critical.

    [00:53:00] A powerful story about transformation through simple presence and blessing.

    Featured Quotes:

    "Sometimes you don’t even want to get out of bed. Yet, sacred tradition compels us to show our brokenness—and trust that we will be held with love." — Rabbi Sharon Brous

    "If you don’t metabolize pain, it will metastasize inside of you." — Rabbi Sharon Brous

    "We can create new neural and spiritual pathways—by allowing ourselves to be seen and to receive love." — Rabbi Sharon Brous

    "It takes courage to be curious about someone who hurt you, but that’s the only way to heal." — Rabbi Sharon Brous

    Resources Mentioned:

    The Amen Effect by Rabbi Sharon Brous: https://ikar.org/the-amen-effect/the-big-idea/

    IKAR Jewish Community: https://www.ikar.org/

    How to Know a Person by David Brooks: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/652822/how-to-know-a-person-by-david-brooks/

    Fierce Love by Rev. Dr. Jacqui Lewis: https://jacquijlewis.com/fierce-love/

    I Never Thought of It That Way by MĂłnica GuzmĂĄn: https://www.moniguzman.com/book

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  • From Bible School to 'Trump Grumpies': Gen Z Asks, What Would Jesus Really Do? with Emerson Riley Nathan

    From Bible School to 'Trump Grumpies': Gen Z Asks, What Would Jesus Really Do? with Emerson Riley Nathan

    · Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other

    In this heartfelt and wide-ranging episode, host Corey Nathan sits down with a very special guest — his own son, Emerson Riley Nathan. Together, they dive into Gen Z’s unique perspective on faith, politics, and culture. As a young adult navigating the complexities of belief, identity, and creativity, Emerson offers refreshing candor about his spiritual journey, social views, and passion for music. This conversation is an inspiring look at how different generations can engage in meaningful, respectful dialogue.

    What You Will Learn:

    Insights into Gen Z's evolving relationship with faith and spiritualityHow Emerson balances skepticism and open-mindedness about religionThe impact of politics and social media on young people's worldviewHow music and community-building are vital for mental health and connectionThe dynamic of a father and son having open, vulnerable discussions about big life questions

    Episode Highlights:

    [00:01:00] – Emerson's "graveyard shift" lifestyle and its impact on his creativity[00:03:00] – Emerson shares his journey growing up between Christianity and Judaism[00:07:00] – How the 2012 election and political polarization shaped Emerson’s views[00:11:00] – Moving away from organized religion and questioning traditional beliefs[00:20:00] – Emerson's current agnostic beliefs and embracing uncertainty about the afterlife[00:27:00] – The healing power of kindness and defining what it means to be good[00:32:00] – Emerson’s passion for dubstep, rave culture, and community through music[00:45:00] – Corey and Emerson discuss responsible adulthood, fatherhood, and finding purpose[00:59:00] – How politics today have created both division and a sense of helplessness

    Resources Mentioned:

    Sugar Magnacious on InstagramDebased Sound on Instagram📣 Call to Action:

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  • Will Saletan: Navigating Toxic Partisanship and Challenging Extremist Absurdity

    Will Saletan: Navigating Toxic Partisanship and Challenging Extremist Absurdity

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    In this episode, we welcome back political journalist and author Will Saletan. Will, formerly of Slate and now a writer for The Bulwark, is known for his sharp insights on American democracy, political corruption, and authoritarianism. Will reflects on the pivotal events leading up to and following the 2024 election, including Joe Biden’s withdrawal, Kamala Harris’s campaign, and Donald Trump's return to power. This thought-provoking conversation dives into the state of democracy, the rise of authoritarianism, and how ordinary Americans are responding.

    What You Will Learn

    How Will Saletan processed the chaotic political landscape leading up to the 2024 election.

    Why many Americans seem indifferent to threats against constitutional rights.

    Will’s analysis of Trump’s authoritarian tendencies and the implications for democracy.

    The emerging role of European allies as America’s commitment to NATO and democracy weakens.

    Practical strategies for handling misinformation and toxic discourse on social media.

    Episode Highlights

    [00:01:00] Introduction to Will Saletan and a reflection on major events since their last conversation.

    [00:03:00] Will discusses his surprise at Biden’s physical and verbal deterioration during the 2024 campaign.

    [00:07:00] The challenges Kamala Harris faced stepping into the race and why the "change election" dynamic mattered.

    [00:11:00] Corey and Will examine why many Americans rationalized or minimized January 6th.

    [00:23:00] Will explains how fear and profit motive lead companies and law firms to capitulate to authoritarian pressures.

    [00:29:00] How self-censorship and fear of government retribution are stifling free speech.

    [00:54:00] Will shares the "general idea" he’s concluded about the Trump administration: incompetence and stupidity at historic levels.

    [01:03:00] Hope on the horizon: how European nations are stepping up to defend democratic values.

    [01:06:00] Final reflections on the resilience of democracy beyond America’s current political struggles.

    Featured Quotes

    Will Saletan: "What clicks for me is very simple: they’re idiots. They're really stupid, and they think they're smart."

    Will Saletan: "The danger isn’t just the lies themselves—it's the machinery of intimidation that stops people from even trying to tell the truth."

    Corey Nathan: "It's encouraging when you realize people are so much more than the hat they might wear."

    Will Saletan: "Even though America has faltered, there’s still goodness in the world—and it’s stepping up."

    Resources Mentioned

    Will Saletan at The Bulwark

    Will's book: The Corruption of Lindsey Graham: A Case Study in The Rise of Authoritarianism

    Will on Bluesky - @saletan.bsky.social

    (Note: If Will referenced any other external resources or books you want linked specifically, just let me know!)

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  • Dumb Ideas Welcome? Navigating Free Speech and Falsehoods in a Divided Democracy

    Dumb Ideas Welcome? Navigating Free Speech and Falsehoods in a Divided Democracy

    · Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other

    In this solo episode, host Corey Nathan takes a deep dive into one of the foundational guidelines we've used in curating conversations both in person and online: handling misinformation. Corey reflects on his experiences moderating political and religious discussions, the evolution of social media moderation, and the fine balance between protecting free speech and maintaining civil discourse. We invite listeners into an honest exploration of free expression, civic engagement, and fostering better conversations, even with those we deeply disagree with.

    What We Discuss:

    Why it could be worth rethinking the rule to report and remove proven falsehoods from these forums.

    The importance of understanding the First Amendment and time, place, and manner restrictions on free speech.

    How maintaining civil discourse matters more than ever, even with the spread of misinformation.

    Reflections on the lessons learned from controversial public conversations, like Gavin Newsom’s podcast guests and protests on college campuses.

    How personal experiences during the pandemic and political unrest shaped Corey's approach to moderating tough conversations.

    Episode Highlights:

    [00:03:00] Corey’s initial set of rules for moderating conversations on social media.

    [00:08:00] Why platforms like Meta and Twitter are no longer actively flagging misinformation.

    [00:10:00] Revisiting the meaning of the First Amendment and its application to private forums.

    [00:18:00] Discussing time, place, and manner restrictions in the context of campus protests and public demonstrations.

    [00:23:00] Reflecting on the events of January 6th and the perpetuation of election fraud narratives.

    [00:36:00] Learning from Gavin Newsom’s engagement with controversial figures like Steve Bannon and Charlie Kirk.

    [00:43:00] Why civil engagement—even with those we strongly disagree with—might be more powerful than silencing falsehoods.

    [00:52:00] Corey’s updated stance: allowing proven falsehoods to remain visible for educational and relational purposes.

    Featured Quotes:

    "Congress shall make no law... but that doesn’t mean I, a private individual, can’t curate conversations in my own forums."

    "When we disagree is when it’s most important to protect free speech."

    "Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Let the worst ideas stand up to scrutiny."

    "Staying in relationship with those we disagree with gives us a better chance to understand and grow."

    Resources Mentioned:

    The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE)

    Gavin Newsom’s Podcast

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  • (Best of) David Brooks, HOW TO KNOW A PERSON: The Art of Seeing Others Deeply and Being Deeply Seen

    (Best of) David Brooks, HOW TO KNOW A PERSON: The Art of Seeing Others Deeply and Being Deeply Seen

    · Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other

    This conversation with David Brooks was a real highlight. We originally recorded our talk just after his most recent book HOW TO KNOW A PERSON was released. Enjoy.

    You might recognize David Brooks from his columns in The New York Times or his essays in The Atlantic. Perhaps you’ve seen him on PBS NewsHour or Meet the Press. He’s also a prolific author. In fact, his 2019 book The Second Mountain was a major inspiration for this program. We discuss that as well as David’s new book, How to Know a Person: The Art of Seeing Others Deeply and Being Deeply Seen (Penguin Random House).

    Our conversation with "Brooksie" went in a number of surprising directions:

    Sociological observations (and confessions) of New York Mets fans;The way lifelong friends enrich our lives;Depression - fair warning that this section gets pretty gritty and candid;How, as observant Jews, we both discovered Christianity later in life;As Jews who are Christian, whether we have any ambivalence;American Evangelicalism - talk about ambivalence!David's writing process and the motivation of deadlines;and much, much more!

    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.

    Please support our wonderful sponsor Meza Wealth Management:

    www.mezawealth.com

    And you can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as

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    David's new book HOW TO KNOW A PERSON:

    www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/652822/how-to-know-a-person-by-david-brooks

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