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Iâm in literary hero territory again ⊠at least this time itâs sunny!
My guest is Scarlett Thomas, the groundbreaking writer of PopCo, Oligarchy, The Seed Collectors and the (post)modern speculative classic, The End of Mr Y. Sheâs one of my favourite writers, who has never seen five or six separate genres she canât mash together.
This time around we are talking âHot Gothicâ in The Sleepwalkers, a darkly playful tale of a vacationâand a marriageâgone horribly wrong.
We cover accidentally arriving at a structure, the many ways to build characters from scratch, the dark consequences of sex and desire taken too far â and we agree on how hotels are just inherently creepy.
Great book. Great guest.
Enjoy!
The Sleepwalkers was published on April 9th by Simon and Schuster
Other books mentioned:
The End of Mr Y (2006), by Scarlett ThomasThe Seed Collectors (2015), by Scarlett ThomasOligarchy (2019), by Scarlett ThomasOpen: An Autobiography (2009), by Andre AgassiThe Woman in White (1860), by Wilkie CollinsThe Moonstone (1868), by Wilkie CollinsGone Girl (2012), by Gillian FlynnThe Talented Mr Ripley (1955), by Patricia HighsmithHangsaman (1951), by Shirley JacksonSupport Talking Scared on Patreon
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Carrie White turns 50 years old today!
April 5th, 1974 â the day Kingâs debut came out, and the world of horror we know live in changed forever.
To celebrate such an auspicious anniversary, there are only two people I could invite to this party. Step up Nat Cassidy and Ally Malinenko â writers who understand King and that bitter, brutal world between childhood and adulthood.
We talk about empathy and monsters, about the horror of high school, the abject and the menstruation taboo and about how we are all living in Margaret Whiteâs America nowâŠ
Raise a glass to the prom queen of horror. She can light her own candles.
Enjoy!
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Alas, we come to the end!
Stephen Graham Jonesâs The Angel of Indian Lake brings the most important horror trilogy of the century to its conclusion. For one last time we return to Proofrock, Idaho â to watch Jade Daniels do battle with monsters in the wood and the demons in her head.
SGJ also comes back to Talking Scared to finish our adjacent trilogy of conversations about these books. We talk about slashers and final girls for sure, but as ever with Stephen, these are windows onto something more profound â and he gives us his insight into how horror, justice, violence and luck operate in fiction.
This all sounds very profound. It is. But in the coolest way possible. The man is a rock starâŠ.
⊠but I STILL manage to freak him out with a ghost story.
Enjoy â itâs been a ride!
The Angel of Indian Lake was published on March 26thth by Saga Press and Titan Books
Other books mentioned:
Where the Red Fern Grows (1961), by Wilson RawlsMarvel Superheroes Secret Wars #10 (1984), by Jim ShooterIn Cold Blood (1965), by Truman CapoteMorphology of the Folktale (1928), by Vladimir ProppThe Red Badge of Courage (1895), by Stephen CraneThe Gulf War Did Not Take Place (1991), by Jean BaudrillardThe Name of the Rose (1980), by Umberto EcoThe Hollow Kind (2022), by Andy DavidsonPiranesi (2021), by Susannah ClarkeA Tale of Two Cities (1859), by Charles DickensThe Art of the Ridiculous Sublime: On David Lynchâs âLost Highwayâ (2000), by Slavoj ĆœiĆŸekThe Warm Hands of Ghosts (2024), by Katherine ArdenThe Bear and the Nightingale (2017), by Katherine ArdenThe Others of Edenwell (2023), by Verity HollowayâA Fish Storyâ (2002), by Gene WolfeSupport Talking Scared on Patreon
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Chi-Town!!
Weâre heading to the midwestern metropolis this week, for a conversation with Cina Pelayo â all about murder, mystery, history and strange things in the water.
Her new novel, Forgotten Sisters is a heady, dreamlike concoction of Chicago lore and much older horrors. It features a pair of very wyrd sisters and a house by a river that holds nothing good.
As well as all of that, we talk about Cinaâs personal journey with the paranormal, mermaid sightings, writing law enforcement, and wrestling with weird voices in fiction.
Oh, and the abject horror of social media!!
Enjoy!
Forgotten Sisters was published on March 19th by Thomas & Mercer
Other books mentioned:
Children of Chicago (2021), by Cynthia PelayoThe Shoemakerâs Magician (2023), by Cynthia PelayoLoteria (2023), by Cynthia PelayoInto the Forest and All the Way Through (2020), by Cynthia PelayoThe Reformatory (2023), by Tananarive DueSupport Talking Scared on Patreon
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Never mind the floor is lava. This week the ground has teeth.
Joshua Hull is our guest, to talk about his obsession with dangerous, weird holes. He wrote one into his hilarious, grisly horror movie, Glorious (on Shudder) and now heâs given a hole a whole personality in his debut novella, Mouth.
Itâs a grindhouse, b-movie celebrations, with larger than life characters, grisly death, and the most lovable monster of the year.
We talk about writing endearing creature features, about forgotten American serial killers, about the difference between writing for books and writing screenplays and, yes, about HOLES!
Enjoy!
Mouth was published on March 15th by Tenebrous Press
Other books mentioned:
The Day of the Door (2024), by Laurel Hightower
Frankenstein (1818), by Mary Shelley
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Time to get liminal and haunted.
Gwendolyn Kiste comes back to Talking Scared for another high-concept twist on the Gothic. In The Haunting of Velkwood, and entire street turns ghostly overnight. Yeah, I canât explain that any more clearly, weâll leave it to Gwendolyn.
Despite this being a book centered on trauma and angst, we do a whole lot of laughing. Amongst the chuckles we also sneak in conversation about the many meanings of the word haunted, child-free horror fiction televisual references, and just what makes the American suburbs so damn creepy!
Enjoy!
The Haunting of Velkwood was published on March 5th by Saga Press
Other books mentioned:
Reluctant Immortals (2022), by Gwendolyn KisteSuburbia (1973), by Bill OwensTwilight: Photographs (2002), by Gregory CrewdsonThe Daughters of Block Island (2023), by Christa CarmenSupport Talking Scared on Patreon
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Sometimes you meet someone who just gets you.
Like Tim Lebbon. A man who writes riotously good adventure-horror novels, and also likes running outrageous distances up big hills. What a pleasure it was to speak to him.
The main topic of conversation is his new novel eco-horror novel, Among the Living. A story of ancient buried history and âintelligentâ infection, it blends the paranoia of The Thing with the ragtag group heroism and intensity of Aliens. In short, itâs good!
Tim and I talk about eco-horror, about the biological menaces facing mankind in the future, we discuss how writing action helps with writing character, and I tell him why this book freaked me out so much.
Oh, and we do spend some time talking about running up big hills. But we try and keep it relevant to the horror and the writing⊠Give me a break, how often do I meet a soul-brother like this?
Enjoy!
Among the Living was published on February 6th by Titan Books
Other books mentioned:
Eden (2020), by Tim LebbonThe Last Storm (2022), by Tim LebbonThe Hunt (2015), by Tim LebbonCome Closer (2003), by Sara GranThe Bang Bang Sisters (2024), by Rio YoeursSupport Talking Scared on Patreon
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Back from a too-short break, but ready to delve into the greatest haunted house of them all! Shirley Jacksonâs Hill House. The place where the scary things walk alone.
Thankfully, I am not alone. Iâm joined by my own group of creepy ghost-hunters: Paul Tremblay (A Head Full of Ghosts, Cabin at the End of the World), Johnny Compton (The Spite House) and Catriona Ward (Last House on Needless Street, Looking Glass Sound). I can think of no better collective to explore the corridors of this book and house.
We get INTO it. The crafted magic of that infamous opening paragraph, the long legacy of creepy houses in American fiction, the choice between the haunted void and hideous, mundane reality. Plus, a raft of film recommendations, and a few brief forays into our favourite real haunted places.
This one was necessary. Hope you enjoy it.
Other books mentioned:
House of Leaves (2000), by Mark Z. Danielewski
Carrie (1974), by Stephen King
âSalemâs Lot (1975), by Stephen King
The Shining (1977), by Stephen King
The Spite House (2023), by Johnny Compton
The Art of Fiction: Notes on Craft for Young Writers (1983), by John Gardner
The Letters of Shirley Jackson (2021), edited by Laurence Jackson Hyman
When Things Get Dark: Stories Inspired by Shirley Jackson (2021), ed. by Ellen Datlow
âOh, Whistle, and Iâll Come to You, My Ladâ (1904), by M.R. James
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Yes I put sex in the title to make you download it. Did it work?
It shouldnât be necessary, âcos this weekâs guest is an absolute literary icon. Chuck Palahniuk, author of Fight Club, Haunted, Lullaby, Choke, and last yearâs Not Forever, But For Now â a writer who helped shape the nihilism and extremity of 90s and noughties fiction. The man who makes people faint with his short stories.
Heâs here, talking to us!
In this conversation Chuck and I roam all over the blasted map of his fiction. We talk about transgression and provocation, about extremity in life and story, about bad reviews, toxic interviews and toxic masculinity. And yes, we talk about âGuts.â
This was a privilege. I hope you are shocked and appalled.
Enjoy!
Other books mentioned:
Fight Club (1996) by Chuck PalahniukHaunted (2005), by Chuck PalahniukLullaby (2002), by Chuck PalahniukDiary (2003), by Chuck PalahniukRant: The Oral Biography of Buster Casey (2005), by Chuck PalahniukAdjustment Day (2018), by Chuck PalahniukCold Comfort Farm (1932), by Stella GibbonsRosemaryâs Baby (1967), by Ira LevinâThe Lotteryâ (1948), by Shirley JacksonInterview with the Vampire (1976), by Anne RiceGeek Love (1989), by Katherine DunnMost Delicious Poison: From Spice to Vices â The Story of Natureâs Toxins (2023), by Noah WhitemanThings Have Gotten Worse Since We Last Spoke (2021), by Eric LaRoccaSupport Talking Scared on Patreon
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Are you hungry?
If so we have a chewy, salty, deeply flavoured feast for you this week. Ally Wilkes returns to Talking Scared to discuss the icebound horrors of her new novel, Where the Dead Wait. Itâs a tale of Arctic exploration gone very wrong, complete with haunting, human suffering and the morbid fascination of cannibalism!
Donât pretend that hasnât whet your appetite.
Ally and I get into the raw details of consuming human meat, we talk about queerness in historical horror fiction, we discuss the nature of haunting and how a historical horror novel can have links to a sci-fi horror classic, and we talk reminisce about the time Ally nearly died on a Himalaya in an appalling coat.
Jolly good fun wot wot!
Enjoy!
Other books mentioned:
All the White Spaces (2022), by Ally Wilke
The Shining (1977), by Stephen King
What Cares the Sea (1960), by Kenneth Cooke
The Secret Sharer (1910), by Joseph Conrad
Frankenstein (1818), by Mary Shelley
Ice Blink: The Tragic Fate of Sir John Franklin's Lost Polar Expedition (2000), by Scott Cookman
Sundial (2022), by Catriona Ward
Dead Silence (2022), by S.A. Barnes
Ghost Station (2024), by S.A. Barnes
Indianapolis: The True Story of the Greatest Naval Disaster in US History (2018), by Lynn Vincent and Sarah Vladic
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The first new book coverage of 2024 â and it starts us off on suitably horrific footing.
Jenny Kieferâs debut novel, This Wretched Valley, has been getting a huge amount of early buzz in horror circles. Itâs the story of four unlucky adventurers, who head into the Kentucky woods and meet all manner of nasty sh*t.
Itâs a tightly wound tale of misadventure, that takes at least some inspiration from the Dyatlov Pass mystery. And if you donât know what that is⊠boy have you got a wiki hole to disappear down.
Jenny and I talk about writing and selling a brutal debut, arthouse horror influences, the terror of climbing and research serendipity⊠plus, what she thinks happened to those poor Russian hikers over 60 years ago.
Enjoy!
Other books mentioned:
The Ruins (2006), by Scott SmithThe Laws of the Skies (2019), by Grégoire CourtoisDead Mountain: The Untold True Story of the Dyatlov Pass Incident (2013), by Donnie EicharThe Marigold (2023), by Andre F. SullivanSupport Talking Scared on Patreon
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To kick off a new year of Talking Scared, Iâve gone and hooked us a big guest, with a whopper of a story.
John Langan is the author of The Fisherman. Itâs one of the great works of supernatural fiction written this century, but its story doesnât end at its back-cover. The strange mythology of The Fisherman extends beyond, swimming further downstream, to pop its monstrous head above the surface in Johnâs wider universe of short stories and novellas.
In this special episode, we talk at length about The Fisherman â about the classic books, real-world legends and cultural beliefs that inspired it, and about the process of building a whole new mythos.
John is the poet-scholar of horror. This is the class you wish youâd taken in college.
Enjoy!
Other books mentioned:
House of Windows (2009), by John Langan
âMother of Stoneâ, in The Wide Carnivorous Sky and Other Monstrous Geographies (2013), by John Langan
âBor Urusâ, in Sefira and Other Betrayals (2019), by John Langan
Our Share of Night (2023), by Mariana Enriquez
The Croning (2012), by Laird Barron
The Beautiful Thing That Awaits Us All (2013), by Laird Barron
Pet Sematary (1983), by Stephen King
âThe Monkeyâs Pawâ (1902), by W. W. Jacobs
Absolom, Absolom (1951), by William Faulkner
âThe Call of Cthulhuâ (1928), by H.P. Lovecraft
The Marriage of Cadmus and Harmony (1988), by Roberto Calasso
âDevelopmentâ (1889), by Robert Browning
Ironweed (1983), by William Kennedy
Come Closer (2003), by Sara Gran
Motherless Child (2012), by Glen Hirshberg
Screams From the Dark: 29 Tales of Monsters and the Monstrous (2022), edited by Ellen Datlow (contains âGlen Hirshbergâs âDevilâ and John Langanâs âBludzugerâ)
Furnace (2016), by Livia Llewelyn
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Another year done. We squeaked through without another plague or a nuclear apocalypse (donât tempt fate Neil!!) and along the way, oh the stories we read!
The only thing left to do after mopping away the chalk pentagrams, is to run you through my very favourite books of the year. The so-called Best Horror Novels of 2023, as chosen by me. Ten of them to be precise, cos humans are obsessed with round numbers. Mwaha, in fact I talk about thirteen!!
Thanks again for listening and supporting the show. You give my addled rants a semblance of purpose, and itâs appreciated.
Onward into 2024 and its multitude of horrors!!!
Enjoy.
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Dickens said that Christmas Eve was a time for ghost stories, and who am I to argue?
It is my show though, so I get to pick the ghost story â and I picked Peter Straubâs classic novel of the name. A tale of old men with horror in their youths, seductive evil and a town besieged by winter and⊠worse things.
Itâs a slippery beast though, this novel. So to really help pin it down, I needed help. I called and help came, in the form of Alan Baxter (author of Sallow Bend, The Gulp and many more), Lauren Bolger (Kill Radio) and John Langan, whose novel, The Fisherman, continues what I think is Straubâs American gothic legacy.
We talk about the book in granular detail â itâs monsters, itâs politics, itâs storytelling and, of course, itâs ghosts. Itâs about as jolly a time as you can have talking about ancient evil visiting small towns. But enough about Santa.
Light the fire, pour a drink, enjoy! Youâve earned it.
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And so we come to the end of another year in horror. Time to look back at the best that 2023 has had to offer, as determined by three of the best in the business.
My trusted horror chancellor, Emily Hughes joins me Ââ alongside C.J. Leede, the author of this yearâs gloriously transgressive Maeve Fly, and the maestro of the macabre himself, Victor Lavalle. Together we cover the yearâs freshest nightmares in the macro and the micro, looking at wider trends and picking our own favourite horror fiction from this yearâs epic crop.
This is a blast. We laugh, we yell, and we declare that the nation is strong, and good, and frightening.
Enjoy!
Books Picked:
Our Share of Night (2023), by Mariana EnriquezBoys Weekend (2023), by Mattie LubchanskyBlack Sheep (2023), by Rachel HarrisonThe Reformatory (2023), by Tananarive Due Out There Screaming: An Anthology of New Black Horror (2023), ed. Jordan Peele and John Joseph AdamsFever House (2023), by Keith RossonNever Whistle at Night: An Indigenous Dark Fiction Anthology (2023) ed. Shane Hawk and Theodore C. Van Alst Jr.Red Rabbit (2023), by Alex GrecianWhalefall (2023), by Daniel KrausBooks Anticipated:
Horror For Weenies: Everything You Need to Know About the Films Youâre Too Scared to Watch (2024), by Emily HughesAmerican Rapture (2024), by C.J. LeedeGhost Roots (2024), by Pemi AgudaA Mask of Flies (2024), by Matthew LyonsThe Z Word (2024), by Lindsay King-MillerYour Shadow Half Remains (2024), by Sunny MoraineFirst Light (2024), by Liz KerinBury Your Gays (2024), by Chuck TingleI Was a Teenage Slasher (2024), by Stephen Graham JonesThe House of Last Resort (2024), by Christopher GoldenThe Book of Love (2024), by Kelly LinkKing Nyx (2024), by Kirsten BakisMoon of the Turning Leaves (2024), by Waubgeshig RiceIn the Valley of the Headless Men (2024), by L.P. HernandezIsland Witch (2024), by Amanda JayatissaThe Haunting of Velkwood (2024), Gwendolyne KisteThe Redemption of Morgan Bright (2024), by Chris PanatierHorror Movie (2024), by Paul TremblayYou Like It Darker (2024), by Stephen King
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Weâre going up in the world this week â longitudinally and latitudinally, with the GOAT of endurance, adventure Gothic, Michelle Paver.
Michelle joins me for a big conversation about her novels Dark Matter and Thin Air â two of the most effective ghost stories of the 21st century. One takes us to the Arctic, the other to a Himalayan peak, both places littered with the dead⊠who may still be around.
We talk about how ghost stories work, their tradition and what perhaps differentiates them from horror. We consider the challenge of writing heroes with imperial perspectives, and Michelle relates her own, eerie, dangerous experiences out in the frozen wilds.
This is perfect winter listening, even if we did record it in July.
Enjoy!
Books mentioned:
Wolf Brother (2004), by Michelle Paver
The Abominable (2013), by Dan Simmons
30 Days of Night (2002), by Steve Niles and Ben Templesmith
The Others of Edenwell (2023), by Verity Holloway
âThe Kit Bagâ (1908), by Algernon Blackwood
Cold Earth (2009), by Sarah Moss
Number 90 and Other Ghost Stories (2000 rpt) B.M. Croker
A Beleaguered City (1871), by Margaret Oliphant
The Long Tale (Tail) of Dogs in Fiction (Esquire)
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Last time Gemma Amor came on the show we had a good olâ chinwag about our haunted brains. This time around we get to some other ghosts, in her new novel, The Folly.
Itâs a sharp slice of coastal Gothic; Cornwallâs answer to The Shining if you will. The story follows Morgan and her aging father to the weird structure of the tital, where they find hauntings of many stripes, some uncannily familiar.
It wouldnât be a Gemma Amor episode if things didnât get personal â and we talk about anxieties of identity, father/daughter dynamics and the trauma of the Covid years. But it doesnât get too real or heavy, cos we the nature of cursed buildings and twists on possession to deal with.
Enjoy our rural Britishness. I think we hide our inner yokel well.
The Folly was published by Polis Books on in December 2023 (US) and January 2024 (UK)
Books mentioned:
Full Immersion (2022), by Gemma AmorSix Rooms (2021), by Gemma AmorRebecca (1938), by Daphne du MaurierMy Cousin Rachel (1951), by Daphne du MaurierâThe Birds,â (1952), by Daphne du MaurierAnnihilation (2014), by Jeff VanderMeerThe Lamplighters (2021), by Emma StonexThe Dark Between the Trees (2022), by Fiona BarnettSupport Talking Scared on Patreon
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Weâve had Cowboys versus Aliens but have you ever considered a threeway fight between gunslingers, vampires and weird cosmic cultists to an Elder God?
If not why not? What do you even think about when you are washing the dishes? But fear not, C.S. Humble has you covered. His weird western trilogy, That Light Sublime is packed with all of the above and more. In The Massacre at Yellow Hill and A Red Winter in the West Seth introduces a cast of lovable rogues and the stakes of their battle against the worst that this and other worlds can offer. Now, in the concluding volume, The Light of Black Star, he brings it all home, with honour, humour and shattering heartbreak.
We talk about broadening the scope of the western, how That Light Sublime links with Sethâs Black Wells series, and he explains his fundamental disagreement with the tenets of cosmic horror. We cover what Mister Rogers has to oteach us about horror writingâŠand how to write stories that, in Sethâs words⊠âattain the high romance that the human heart is reaching for.â
Heâs a poet and a raconteur. Iâm also present.
Enjoy!
The Massacre at Yellow Hill, A Red Winter in the West and The Light of Black Star were all published in 2023 by Cemetery Dance.
Books mentioned:
East of Eden (1952), by John SteinbeckLonesome Dove (1985), by Larry McMurtryMerciless Waters (2023), by Rae KnowlesMidas (2023), by Tyler JonesLone Women (2023), by Victor LavalleRed Rabbit (2023), by Alex GrecianThe Legend of Charlie Fish (2023), by Josh RountreeThe Demon of Devilâs Canyon (coming 2024), by Brenna LeFaroâPigeons From Hellâ (1938), by Robert E. HowardThe Thicket (2013), by Joe R. LansdaleCold in July (1989), by Joe R. LansdaleThe Beautiful Thing That Awaits Us All (2013), by Laird BarronMoby Dick (1851), by Herman MelvilleFevre Dream (1982), by George R. R. MartinSupport Talking Scared on Patreon
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Sometimes two words can make a jaded horror reader sit up straight.
Ghost is one, Dinosaur is another.
Ghost. Dinosaur.
Have you ever heard a more beautiful combination, a sweeter symphony of syllables.
If âGhost Dinosaurâ doesnât make you go squeeee and shake your fists in excitement, I donât know how to help you.
Anyway, thatâs the focus of Luke Dumas delightful new novel, The Paleontologist. Itâs a story about a haunted man, a creepy museum, institutional intrigue, murder and GHOST GODDAMN DINOSAURS!!
We talk about all of that and lots more, including humour in horror, how far a book can stretch a readerâs empathy, and why privilege is such a complex issue to tackle.
But yeah. Also Ghost Dinosaurs.
Enjoy!
The Paleontologist was published 31st October by Atria Books
Books mentioned:
A History of Fear (2022), by Luke DumasChildren of the Fang, and Other Genealogies (2020), by John LanganThe Lost World (1912), by Arthur Conan DoyleJurassic Park (1990), by Michael CrichtonTyrannosaur Canyon (2005), by Douglas PrestonThe Resurrectionist: The Lost Work of Dr Spencer Black (2013), by E.B. HudspethThe Bonus Room (AKA Bedbugs) (2023) by Ben H. WintersNestlings (2023), by Nat CassidySupport Talking Scared on Patreon
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Horror is about finding light in darkness.
Thatâs the mission statement of this podcast, at least. And itâs never been truer than in this weekâs episode. Tyler Jones re-joins us on Talking Scared to talk about his new novel, Midas. We cover its original mix of western tropes, Gothic fantasy and cult horror, but itâs family that lies at the heart of both the book and the conversation. Tyler talks us through the real life emotional rollercoaster that inspired this story.
Itâs a personal conversation. Upsetting in parts, but lit through with love and life and all the good stuff.
And if Iâm sounding a little pompous and portentous here, donât worry â we also slide seamlessly into some nerdy chat about biblical mysteries and ancient alien nonsense.
This is an important episode, for me and for Tyler. I hope you enjoy it.
p.s â hereâs to Goliath the horse!
Enjoy!
Midas was published in October by Earthlings Publications
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