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In this episode of That Dan Band Show, Dan delves into artistic interpretation, criticism, their histories, and how they apply to art and drum corps
Time Stamps:
00:00:00 - 00:02:06 - Intro
00:02:07 - 00:03:22 - Interpretation & criticism and what they mean within the marching arts
00:03:23 - 00:04:56 - Artistic interpretation and you find meaning
00:04:57 - 00:06:02 - Criticism
00:06:03 - 00:06:52 - Comparison
00:06:53 - 00:07:58 - Analysis
00:07:59 - 00:09:33 - Interpretation
00:09:34 - 00:12:02 - Evaluation
00:12:13 - 00:14:45 - Summary and putting it in the perspective of drum corps
00:18:09 - 00:19:21 - Historical deep-dive: Formalism
00:19:22 - 00:21:34 - Marxism
00:21:35 - 00:24:00 - Psychoanalysis
00:24:01 - 00:28:37 - Structuralism
00:28:38 - 00:33:28 - Post-structuralism & post-modernism
00:33:29 - 00:35:07 - Queer theory
00:35:08 - 00:37:04 - Post-colonial theory
00:37:05 - 00:39:59 - Bringing it back to today
00:40:00 - 00:43:38 - What does this mean for the marching arts?
00:43:39 - 00:46:38 - There is no "right answer" when it comes to critiquing art
00:46:39 - 00:49:11 - What we hear is subjective when it comes to drum corps
00:49:12 - 00:51:16 - Dan's favorite shows this season and his analysis
00:51:17 - 00:53:14 - Evaluation within drum corps & subjectivity
00:53:15 - 00:58:24 - Critique within drum corps
00:58:25 - 01:00:06 - Try to look in places you haven't looked
01:00:07 - 01:00:50 - Positive takeaways of everyone having different opinions and perspectives
01:00:51 - 01:01:48 - Outtro
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In this episode of That Dan Band Show, Dan breaks down the scores from the 2023 DCI Southeastern Championship and makes predictions for Allentown & FinalsEpisode Time Stamps:00:00 - 02:04 - Intro02:05 - 03:47 - 13th place; Music City03:48 - 04:55 - 12th place; Madison Scouts04:56 - 05:59 - 11th place; Spirit of Atlanta06:00 - 06:56- 10th place; Pacific Crest06:57 - 08:22 - 9th place; Blue Knights08:23 - 10:15 - 8th place; Troopers10:16 - 12:16 - 7th place; The Cavaliers12:17 - 14:04 - 6th place; The Cadets14:05 - 15:09 - 5th place; Phantom Regiment15:10 - 17:41 - 4th place; Bluecoats17:42 - 19:00 - 3rd place; Boston Crusaders19:01 - 21:42 - 2nd place; Carolina Crown21:43 - 23:19 - 1st place; Blue Devils23:20 - 25:41 - Putting the scoring and caption races in perspective 25:42 - 27:32 - This is judging done right and it is exciting27:33 - 29:23 - Who are you loving this year? Sound off in the comments + outtroLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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In this episode of That Dan Band Show, Dan breaks down the DCI/DCA partnership and what it will mean for all-age drum corps.
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Following the conclusion of World Championships, Dan talks about his takeaways from the 2023 WGI season.
Episode Timestamps
0:00:00 - 0:04:46 - Intro
0:08:21 - 0:14:04 Takeaway #1 - Every season is an emotional rollercoaster, and you should expect that. And why it's important to "outlast the battle"
0:14:05 - 0:19:35 - Takeaway #2 - Consider what the members are going to feel/think/say/how they're going to respond, every step of the way. A conversation about costuming
0:19:36 - 0:24:38 - Takeaway #3 - There's no ideal judging panel for any single group
0:24:39 - 0:31:47 - Takeaway #4 - Variety across captions and sub-captions is healthy
0:31:48 - 0:37:25 - Takeaway #5 - "Effect" isn't entertainment
0:37:26 - 0:40:20 - Takeaway #6 - Stress the craft (according to your instincts), not the outcomes
0:40:21 - 0:44:28 - Takeaway #7 - My tastes are not your tastes
0:44:29 - 0:47:00 - Takeaway #8 - Focus internally
0:47:01 - 0:50:37 - Takeaway #9 - Keep going and be resilient
0:50:38 - 0:55:15 - Takeaway #10 - Be yourself
0:55-16 - end - Outro
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With less than a month before WGI Percussion World Championships, Dan sits down with his friend Tommy Roam of The Bluecoats and Kettering Fairmont High School. They discuss holistic approaches to percussion education, how Tommy has built the culture between his middle school and high school programs, and their current outlooks on 2023 Percussion Independent World.
Episode Time Stamps
00:00:00 - 00:03:34 - Intro
00:03:34 - 00:07:30 - How's it going at Kettering this season?
00:07:31 - 00:09:51 - Beefing up your middle school program as a feeder for your high school programs
00:09:52 - 00:11:05 - Are you training your students in a certain style of drumming or more rhythmic concepts?
00:11:06 - 00:14:50 - "There's no one correct way to do things [when it comes to teaching]" and how you're going to learn from other people and it's going to be different
00:14:51 - 00:19:55 - Knocking down the walls percussion sections sometimes put up between each other and teaching with the intent of making the ensemble better holistically. "I see it all as music."
00:19:56 - 00:22:23 - Zooming out your lens so you can better help the kids be successful
00:22:24 - 00:24:33 - Being a hybrid percussionist and the qualities of a great drummer
00:24:34 - 00:26:04 - Exposing the students to more than just one kind of instrument to help them be a better overall percussionists
00:26:05 - 00:31:21 - Embracing discomfort and how to be a reliable member
00:31:22 - 00:32:38 - Being okay with being terrible before you're able to develop your skills, both as a member and a percussionist. "It's all about just how much you care about it."
00:32:39 - 00:33:53 - We're nothing without passion for what we do
00:33:54 - 00:40:05 - Embracing the grind but also embracing having fun with your fellow members
00:40:06 - 00:42:08 - Creating culture intentionally within a program
00:42:09 - 00:44:02 - Being authentic
00:44:03 - 00:45:46 - Showing up every day as a teacher who makes your students better, and being okay with the members checking you when you're not
00:45:47 - 00:49:45 - How do you get your membership to believe in what you're doing?
00:49:46 - 00:53:10 - Focusing on the craft rather than the outcome
00:53:11 - 00:56:47 - How you Tommy's experiences of teaching the Bluecoats vs a high school/middle school group inform your teaching philosophy?
00:56:48 - 00:59:42 - Seeing members you've taught from a young age go on to instill your teaching in their students
00:59:43 - 01:04:15 - What makes a bass drummer ready and equipped to audition for a top DCI group?
01:04:16 - 01:06:28 - Make yourself a machine backed by consistent skills
01:06:29 - 01:11:20 - What is your take on members reaching out to staff members ahead of DCI auditions?
01:12:20 - 01:18:20 - Tommy's take on the 2023 PIW landscape & what shows he's seen
01:18:21 - 01:28:51- Why you should lean into your own group's style and try something new rather than emulating someone else's style
01:28:52 - End - Outtro
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The 2023 indoor season has officially begun as groups roll out their shows locally and video clips of lots and shows start to populate across social media. With WGI Percussion Regional season kicking off this weekend, Dan sits down with his friend Teddy Mascari, a Music Effect judge for Winter Guard International and an educational leader in Upstate New York. They discuss approaches to judging and how to give great feedback, a judge’s relationship to the programs they adjudicate, ways of interpreting the sheets, and various trends within indoor percussion and the marching arts.
Episode Time Stamps
00:00:00 - 00:05:10 - Intro
00:05:10 - 00:08:15 - Leaked shows online and keeping the judging objectivity
00:08:15 - 00:12:18 - Understanding judging critiques and how to take in that information
00:12:18 - 00:16:45 - Approach to commentary and feedback for ensembles in Independent World vs other classes
00:16:45 - 00:22:16 - "Checking the boxes" on a scoresheet vs giving feedback that's appropriate based on the time of the season
00:22:16 - 00:25:46 - Does a show need to make sense for a judge?
00:25:46 - 00:30:43 - The talent disparity between the top groups and those on the cusp of making Finals
00:30:43 - 00:34:28 - Broken City, George Mason, and how they've developed a "style" that people can identify
00:34:28 - 00:38:42 - The trap of emulating the top groups
00:38:42 - 00:40:30 - Crowd reactions and video leaks immediately following performances
00:40:30 - 00:53:35 - The cost (literal and figurative) of introducing higher production value shows through TVs, lights, etc.
00:53:35 - 01:03:19 - How to make your local judges better judges through education
01:03:19 - end - Outtro
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Dan catches up with his friends Mike Fantini and Evan Worrell from the Aged Out Podcast. They discuss their outlook on 2023 DCI percussion, the recent rule proposals from the DCI Rules Congress, and what they expect to see this year in WGI percussion. Show Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:04:00 - It’s a weird time of the season00:05:00 - How are you feeling about the DCI percussion game? 00:06:40 - Cavaliers last year vs this year00:08:10 - Disparity between the top 1-3 vs everyone else00:08:30 - “Crown is the group that I’m the most curious to see what happens”00:12:50 - Pacing, show segments, and integration00:14:15 - Jannuals rule changes concerning brass & percussion00:16:35 - Staff changes with Cadets, Blue Stars, RCC, Blue Devils00:17:10 - Cadets staff focus & predictions00:20:00 - Dan’s argument with Cadets predictions posed00:22:30 - The Cadets and how their staff members are able to delegate 00:23:00 - Rhythm X and the Cavaliers this season?00:24:00 - Percussion “hot takes” for the 2023 DCI season00:28:30 - Jannuals rule proposal #1 deep dive - Addition of “Brass Ensemble” judge at Regionals and Championships; Removal of additional “Music Analysis” judge00:35:50 - Jannuals rule proposal #2 deep dive - Competition Times00:45:15 - Uniforms and props then & now00:47:00 - “The ticket for entry is so expensive now,” marketing, and sponsorships00:51:05 - Jannuals rule proposal #3 deep dive - Change the Captions “General Effect 1” and “General Effect 2” to “General Effect Music” and “General Effect Visual”00:53:10 - Jannuals rule proposal #4 - Pacing of Evaluations00:53:35 - Jannuals rule proposal #5 deep dive - Brass Amplification Parameters00:56:40 - “Are you gonna pay or get paid?” 01:00:18 - DCI vs other “entertainment” models01:01:20 - “I have a feeling that change is afoot” - do the economics no longer support the current touring model?01:03:45 - WGI show release chat01:06:00 - Pulse 2022 and their success vs what can we expect in 202301:07:00 - Dance & visual ensembles in the WGI Percussion space01:10:00 - “We have to check the boxes”1:11:20 - Visual ensembles of 20221:12:05 - “Having a Broken City style show” and predicting what’s going to be big when01:15:00 - Making shows that are memorable and cohesive01:17:00 - Shows that appeal to the masses while groups stick to their “thing”01:20:23 - Judges tapes frustrations01:21:00 - 2023 WGI season predictions01:26:25 - Closing story01:28:30 - “Back in our day…” + outtroLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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On this episode, Dan sits down with Sergio Bravo, Co-Creator and Operations Manager of the online platform Marching Vlogs. They discuss the origins of MV, what Sergio learned through building his online brand, and the role content creators play in the marching arts.
Show Timestamps
00:00:00-00:02:54 - Intro
00:02:55-00:03:42 - MV hit 1K followers on Instagram. Talk about that
00:03:43-00:05:39 - What about the last six months has specifically gotten things pop off
00:05:40-00:06:18 - Is Marching Vlogs your full time job? Or something you're trying to work into a full-time gig?
00:06:18-00:08:01 - Are you self-taught? How did you learn these skills you apply to MV?
00:09:09-00:12:33 - Editing & using Marching Vlogs as a way to document someone's summer experience
00:12:33-00:17:59 - How did you come up with the idea for IG takeovers for Marching Vlogs?
00:18:00-00:25:40 - What are you doing on a daily basis and during the "slow times" in the season?
00:25:41-00:28:33 - How do you manage MV?
00:28:34-00:30:48 - How does Marching Vlogs make a profit?
00:30:49-00:36:26 - Do you see yourself being able to grow your content in terms of its breadth in terms of getting outside of the marching arts?
00:39:27-00:39:27 - Are you currently doing long-form documentary-style videos? Is that something you're looking into?
00:39:28-00:46:24 -Do groups like being mic'd up? Pros and cons of it?
00:46:25-00:50:14 - Allowing people to see the best drummers as human is a good thing
00:50:15-00:53:54 - Are drum lines always playing clean?
00:53:54-00:55:40 - What do you like and dislike about social media?
00:55:41-01:00:01 - What makes a good content creator in your eyes?
01:00:01-01:04:22 - How do you deal with backlash for stuff you post?
01:04:23-01:05:46 - On "representing a brand"
01:05:47-01:11:32 - Lot video culture is huge. Why is it not the same for front ensembles?
01:11:33-01:15:12 - Boston's 2022 season & judging drum corps
01:15:12-01:19:31- Outtro
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Dan sits down with Vic Lee, one of the 2022 Bluecoats drum majors, to discuss best practices for preparing and auditioning for drum corps.
Episode Timestamps
00:05-2:00- Episode intro
2:15-3:13- Vic introduces themselves
3:30-3:46- Was Vic ever cut from a drum corps?
4:21-5:29- What was the process of arriving at wanting to audition for DCI?
7:35-How did Vic land at Cadets?
10:10-What did Vic learn marching at the Open Class level?
12:18- How did Vic know they wanted to ultimately end up at Bluecoats?
14:08- What were the auditions like when you got cut?
15:41-How should a new auditionee approach auditioning mentally so that they are prepared?
16:30-What does “preparation” mean?
20:10-How does someone prepare mentally for a high-stakes audition?
22:58-What qualities are world class instructors looking for in an auditionee?
29:30-What is the environment like at Bluecoats?
38:51-What was the experience like being drum major at Bluecoats?
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Dan sits down with one of his best friends Andrew "Monty" Monteiro, the Front Ensemble Arranger & Sound Designer for George Mason University Indoor Drumline, Reading Buccaneers, and as of 2023, The Cadets Drum and Bugle Corps. They discuss their storied history designing together, how Andrew learned and honed his craft, and where he sees himself heading as we enter into a new year of design.
SHOW TIMESTAMPS
00:24-4:07 - Intro
4:07-4:27 - How did you get into designing/writing?
4:27-6:05 - Andrew’s response + what prompted him to write, in spite of his degree in something non-music related
6:05-7:22 - How Dan and Monty came to work together at Cadets Winter Percussion
7:22-9:00 - The beginning of Monty’s design journey at Cadets Winter Percussion
9:00-12:10 - How did Monty learn how to teach himself difficult platforms like Logic and Mainstage?
12:10-16:11 - Monty’s response to how one learns new technical skills
16:11-23:20 - How has your perspective changed 10 years into designing?
23:20-28:30 - What is your favorite thing about WGI?
28:30-32:00 - Working on different teams and remaining flexible and open
32:00-34:25 - What Andrew wants for the Cadets in 2023
34:30-41:45 - The future of the activity and what do we need?
41:45-43:25 - The entertainment aspect of what we do
43:25-56:16 - From member to instructor
56:16-59:05 - What is the current outlook for GMU’s pit going into 2023?
59:05-1:05:30 - Cadets then and now and the "East Coast Teams"
1:05:3-1:10:57 - Outtro
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Scott Johnson, Percussion Director and Designer for the Blue Devils Drum and Bugle Corps, sits down with Dan to discuss the ingredients to BD's success across multiple decades.
Episode Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
06:00 - Are you driving this innovation when you’re creating, how does it work from the level of conception?
09:45 - What has it been like working with the level of talent? Are the students better now than ever?
12:20 - Instead of competing, just do shows
15:40 - A lot of differences with indoors what has helped outdoor
16:00 - The placement of judges... If you backed the judge away how would it change the sound?
22:00 - Was part of the DCI task force to introduce percussion judge two?
22:55 - Expenses for more judges add up
23:55 - Fan vote? Some other form of democratic vote that gets counted?
27:00 - How did you develop the Blue Devils engineering?
32:15 - Better on the field than in the lot
34:00 - Listening environment is also not taken into consideration
35:45 - How else do you approach working with players of that caliber?
38:20 - Ideas or concepts that didn’t work?
41:00 - Bringing in drumset players, a non-traditional clinician to teach the group
45:30 - Day 1, what are you telling someone who wants to be a snare drummer?
49:50 - Who’s inspiring you?
51:15 - Indoor season - how has indoor changed and where do you see it going?
55:35 - You could have the best book in the world, but players still have to play it
58:00 - You should be able to hand the tape to the members
1:02:00 - Mid 2000s groups
1:04:40 - What is going on behind the scenes that really matters?
1:06:00 What about you has allowed you to continue doing what you're doing?
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Dan sits down with Scott Chandler, legendary Program Coordinator & Choreographer for the Blue Devils Drum and Bugle Corps. They discuss how Scott has cultivated a design identity, how he has stayed on top in an ever-changing activity, and the secrets behind the Blue Devils' success.
Show Timestamps
0:10 - Open
1:27 - Guest Introduction begins
2:19 - Scott Chandler Joins
Questions
2:57 - Boston terriers?
3:15 - Guster the BT
5:36 What is your design/programming process?
5:55 - Strong directional storyboard to begin
6:15 - Full MP3 of the show going into the summer
6:40 - Stopped using charts a while ago
9:00 - How did you get to this point on unconventional design?
11:35 - How do you develop your eye for effect?
14:40 - Judges change every year, judges have biases, but there’s no writing for judges
16:40 - Do you intentionally set out to keep cultivating your taste? Keeping up with what’s cool?
19:08 - Where do you personally go to feed your inspiration to keep up?
21:30 - Blue Devils consistently great, consistent staff. How did y’all work through it? How did the organization develop that culture?
22:35 - “You have to have permission to fail….creatively and improving process”
23:00 - Looking for the next generation as well
23:22 - Allowing performers to fail as well “This is the place where you get to try it and see if it works or now” - Scott
24:15 - Musical cheers in drum corps
27:10 - What about your personality has allowed you to remain successful, how have you dealt with getting to this point of your career?
30:25 - If you’re ready it’ll happen. Put up or shut up
30:40 - Can you think of a time when you had that setback or moment of professional doubt and how did you work through that?
33:20 - Shows are timely and related to current events
33:50 - Caught up on what judges are going to say, but there are way more members in the audience. What about the 20,000, not the 8 judges?
35:00 - Aware of the audience, but there's also the team mentality. Like sports, people have the teams they will root for. Find a way to make those people happy even when they aren’t jumping up and down.
36:30 - When you think about the Blue Devils, what are the things that you think can be taken away? Is there something you’re injecting into it year to year?
41:30 - Why not have a more dynamic approach, a completely different mindset?
42:45 - Blue Devils best marching over the last 20 years, don't @ me. How has that happened?
44:45 - When you look back on your career and on your life, really making a name for yourself and changing the landscape of the medium, what do you tell someone who says they want to be the next Scott Chandler.”
47:00 - Receiving honest feedback
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Dan gives you his top 10 takeaways from the 2022 DCI Finals, including judging, how COVID may have affected the corps, overall quality of the products put on the field, and more.
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On today's episode, Dan discusses the scores from the past 3 major DCI events as the corps make their final push into 2022 World Championships.
Show Timestamps
0:00 - Beginning
0:15 - show start
1:12 - “This last weekend was a doozy” (weekend overview)
2:35 - Covid is very much still a thing
4:00 - Quick look ahead to Eastern Classic at Allentown
5:00 - Introductions - Murfreesboro
6:09 - Music City in 8th across the board
6:13 - Blue Knights in 7th across the board
6:30 - Blue Stars
7:25 - Cavaliers breakdown
8:15 - 4-point jump from 5th to Crown at 4th
8:42 - “Could see the Cavaliers jump the Blue Stars at the end”
9:30 - Crown in 4th
9:58 - Crown recap
10:58 - Scoring islands
12:00 - Bluecoats advantage over Crown and into a recap
12:55 - Bluecoats first in drums?!
14:30 - Boston over Bluecoats
15:16 - Boston’s guard has not lost a show
16:16 - Blue Devils
17:40 - Blue Devil’s guard doesn’t hang with the rest of the corps
19:30 - DCI Southeastern Championship
20:00 - Southeastern top 5 scoring
21:18 - Vanguard Recap
22:10 - GE is like the umbrella of a show
22:25 - Vanguard Visual
23:13 - Vanguard Music
24:10 - How subcaptions should be used
24:40 - Bluecoats - “Substantial Jump” into the recap
25:40 - Bluecoats Visual
26:20 - Achieving higher than the book
27:30 - Crown in 3rd, flip from Murfeesboro
28:00 - Breaking down the Crown subcations
29:05 - Crown Visual proficiency
30:03 - Crown Music breakdown
31:54 - Boston Crusaders score and spread
32:00 - Into sub captions
32:50 - Story across the board with GE judges - variety across the board
33:43 - Boston Visuals - First place
34:07 - Boston Music
35:30 - two tenths within the content box. Tough Job, great job
36:00 - Best percussion judge in DCI
36:50 - Blue Devils introduction and breakdown
38:40 - BD Music
40:18 - Boston is consistently in second but hasn't beaten Blue Devils... yet
42:00 - A lot of this is subjective
43:00 - NightBEAT introduction and scores
44:30ish - Cavaliers
45:35 - The Cadets
45:45 - Santa Clara Vanguard
47:00 - Bluecoats
47:47 - Boston Crusaders
49:40 - Night to night changing scores
49:52 - Judges trying to keep up with these complex shows
50:10 - “The top design individuals should be more advanced than the judges. The design folks should be explaining to the judges”
52:10 - Upcoming week of shows
54:40 - “Crazy right now, I don't know who's going to win. This is good for DCI”
56:40 - Wrap-up
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Dan reviews the recap from the 2022 DCI Southwestern Championship and provides his insights into where the competition is headed as the corps make their final push toward Indy.
Show Timestamps:
00:40 - Start
03:28 - Intro to scores from the Southwestern Championship
03:41 - Colts at 12th
05:43 - Blue Knights at 11th
07:05 - Phantom Regiment at 10th
08:30 - Cavaliers at 9th
11:21 - Scoring
13:25 - Mandarins in 8th
14:30 - Difference in scores between the Cavaliers and Blue Stars
14:46 - Blue Stars in 7th
15:50 - Cadets in 6th
17:33 - Vanguard in 5th
18:00 - Big Spread between 5 and 6
19:58 - Bluecoats in 4th
21:25 - Scoring variations
21:43 - Carolina Crown in 3rd
23:58 - Crusaders in 2nd
26:30 - Blue Devils in 1st
28:38 - “When was the last time Devs got fourth?”
30:48 - Dynamic factor of scoring
35:00 - “Welcome the shakeups”
36:25 - Looking ahead to the next few shows
36:40 - DCI Mesquite groups
37:40 - Next show - DCI Southern Miss.
39:00 - Master of Southern Music Games - Murfreesboro
40:30 - Indy coming down the pipe in less than two weeks
45:00 - Let's chat, subscribe!
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On today's episode, Dan chats about the DCI competitive narrative up to this point, hits on the show announcements that didn't make it into last week's episode, and discusses Crown's 2022 season with Rick Subel, Artistic Director of Carolina Crown.
Show Timestamps
00:11 Intro
4:28- Competition Overview (7/9-7/10)
18:12 Design Overview
35:20 Upcoming Performances
39:25 Outro
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Today, we are doing something a little bit different - Dan's flying SOLO for this episode! In the spirit of DCI coming back to life after a long dormancy, Dan spends this episode taking a look at some early season content around the internet (within the confines of what the music rights laws will allow me), discussing the first shows, and providing his reactions and early season projections.
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With the WGI Advisory Board meetings approaching, Dan sits down with WGI Vice President, Steering Committee Member, and Director and Visual Designer of Rhythm X, Tim Fairbanks. They discuss the state of indoor percussion. how we can continue to grow the activity, and ways to continue to educate our judges and educators together.
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Dan sits down with Graphic Designer Ivan Fees to catch up on the first WGI Percussion finals in 3 years, how the competition shook out, and where the activity appears to be headed.
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Josh Brickey, Battery Coordinator of Rhythm X and Percussion Caption Head of the Cavaliers, joins Dan to catch up on how the 2022 WGI season is going, what current trends are going on in the marching percussion world, and Josh's secret to consistently driving high level talent into the groups he works with.
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