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Our call this week will be at our new regular time: Friday at 11 AM Eastern.
Our guest will be Rami Khouri, Distinguished Public Policy Fellow at the American University of Beirut, Non-Resident Senior Fellow at the Arab Center in Washington, DC, and a regular columnist for Al Jazeera online. Rami lived in Beirut for 17 years and has for many years written about relations between Israel and Lebanon. Weâll talk about the terrifying reports that a full-scale war may break out between Israel and Hezbollah.
Paid subscribers will get the link this Tuesday and the video the following week. Theyâll also gain access to our library of past Zoom interviews with guests like Rashid Khalidi, Thomas Friedman, Ilhan Omar, Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, and Bret Stephens.
Sources Cited in this Video
Ezra Klein, Ross Douthat, and Michelle Cottle on whether Biden can not only win, but govern.
Jonathan Sacks on the fear of freedom.
Things to Read
(Maybe this should be obvious, but I link to articles and videos I find provocative and significant, not necessarily ones I entirely agree with.)
In Jewish Currents (subscribe!), Alex Kane explains why ceasefire talks between Israel and Hamas are stuck.
Although overshadowed by the horror in Gaza, many Palestinians in the West Bank have grown desperate economically as Israel has further restricted their right to travel and work since October 7. Please consider supporting this crowdfunding campaign for two West Bank families in dire need.
Al Jazeeraâs chilling new documentary, âThe Night Wonât End: Bidenâs War on Gaza.â
An extraordinary essay by Ayelet Waldman about her familyâs history and the delusions of liberal Zionism.
A Pennsylvania voter pledges to vote Biden even if heâs dead.
A fascinating thread on the scholarship of Raz Segal, the Israeli-born genocide scholar whose appointment at the University of Minnesota is now in doubt.
Former Shin Bet chief Ami Ayalon says the occupation puts Israelis in danger.
Last week, I talked to MSNBCâs Joy Reid about Jamaal Bowmanâs congressional primary.
For the Foundation for Middle East Peace, I interviewed Hebrew University Professor Yael Berda about Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrichâs de facto annexation of the West Bank.
John Judis, one of the writers I admire most, has launched a Substack. Please check it out.
See you on Friday at 11 AM,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
Hi. Iâm beginning to fear that when we look back at this moment in history, people will look at Democrats, influential people in the Democratic Party, and ask the question of why it was that they lacked courage? Why it was indeed that their lack of courage was perhaps their essential defining characteristic, and it had disastrous and historic consequences? Itâs interesting because, throughout the Trump era, so many of us have talked about the lack of courage of Republicans. That there was, you know, again and again reporters would say, you know, that privately Republican politicians would laugh about Trump, denounce Trump, that many of the same people who had even publicly earlier on when Trump wasnât so formidable said that he was an autocrat, a dictator, then became these obsequious fawning supporters of him. So, we got used toâas people who were more progressive kind of denounced these people for their lack of courage.
But I actually think, at this point, Democrats are actually showing even less courage than Republicans. Because, in a way, the Republican Party has transformed itself, certainly among people in Congress. I think there are fewer actually of those people who snicker about Trump privately because this has become a Republican party, more a party of true believers. I think, actually among Republican voters, there is a genuine tremendous amount of support for Trump. Now thatâs horrifying. Itâs incredibly frightening, but itâs not actually cowardice. Itâs a kind of psychosis to me. Itâs an embrace of white Christian nationalism, authoritarianism. But itâs not exactly cowardice because I actually think that in the Republican Party today, compared to the Republican Party letâs say five years ago, thereâs actually more a broader sense of true belief for Trump. Many of the members of Congress who really didnât like Trump, most are no longer in Congress.
Whereas among Democrats, I think you actually have a situation where people genuinely donât believe that Biden should be the nominee. But theyâre too afraid to do anything about it. And itâs not just with Biden. I think there is a kind of parallel between the partyâs response to Gaza and the partyâs treatment of Trump. Which is, on Gaza too, I think if you put a lot of Democratic members of Congress to a lie detector testâand a lot of people in the Biden administration to a lie detector testâand they said, is American policy on this war in Gaza, is it ethical? Is it ethical? They would say: no! And yet, they shrug their shoulders and they go through their day because they want to preserve their political support. They donât want to end up like Jamaal Bowman. They donât want to end up without a job if theyâve spent their lives working their way up through the foreign policy establishment.
And now we see, basically, a version of the same thing when it comes to Bidenâs re-election. Iâm not going to rehearse all the arguments that everyoneâs making, but just suffice to say, to remember, that Biden is behind in this race. Heâs significantly behind. And remember, Trump has over-performed his polls both in 2016 and in 2020 when he was behind. Now, Trump is clearly ahead; not just in polls, but in the electoral college, which favors him even more. And Bidenâs advisors themselves basically took the view that they needed an early bait to try to change the dynamic. Theyâve made this dynamic worse. And itâs not clear that there would be a second debate. And thereâs certainly no particular reason to believe that Biden would perform any better even if there was.
And yet, Democrats are too afraidâmany of themâof taking the risk of trying something different. Yes, it is very risky for a whole bunch of reasons that people are talking about. But I donât see how anyone in their right mind could not say that any potential replacement for Biden would not have been better on that stage than Joe Biden was against Donald Trump. Itâs inconceivable to me that any of them, including Kamala Harris, could be worse. And yet, despite the fact that all of these people in the media, and ordinary voters, are saying they want somebody else, the Democratic politicians are not willing to say that. And when they do say it, they say it off the record.
I was talking to someone whoâs on the Democratic National Committee about this. And he said, âPeter, itâs like the Bulgarian Communist Party in the 1950s. In the hallways, privately, they whisper to each other what a catastrophe this is. But when they actually get in a room and they have to act publicly or in some official capacity, they wonât do it because theyâre too scared.â Why is this generation of Democratic politicians and foreign policy people, why is it so fearful? Why is it not able to put the countryâs interest, the moral interest, both in in terms of Biden and in terms of Gaza, ahead of their own personal interests? I donât know. I think itâs something that weâre going to have to try to understand, and maybe we will be having to wrestle with for many, many years. Itâs important also, I think, to remember that Bidenâs failure is not only a failure to be able to beat Donald Trump. I think Ezra Klein and Ross Douthat have been making this point and theyâre exactly right. Itâs false to make a clear distinction between your ability to run effectively and your ability to govern because to govern as president has to do with your ability to communicate to the public, and also to communicate in private forcefully.
And I want to bring, again, bring this back to Gaza. Any president who wanted to try to do anything but supporting Israel unconditionally in this war would have faced enormous, enormous political challenges given how strong the pro-Israel lobby is in Washington, given how formidable an opponent Benjamin Netanyahu is, all of these reasons. Now, we donât know that Joe Biden ever really even wanted to do that. But if he had wanted to do thatâif he had wanted to say much earlier that America would not support this war because itâs catastrophic for the people of Gaza and itâs actually going to make Israel less safeâthat would have been an enormous, enormous task of communication: going to the American people, going to members of Congress, to making the case, to pushing them, to convincing them, to inspire them to do something thatâs very hard in Americaâs political system, which is to challenge Israel and to publicly care about the lives of Palestinians.
And even if Joe Biden had wanted to do thatâI donât know that he didâhe does not have the capacity to do that. He does not have the capacity to go to the country, to go to Democratic members of Congress, to take on Benjamin Netanyahu, both privately and publicly. Bill Clinton could have done it. Barack Obama could have done it. Joe Biden canât do it. So, in some ways I think his options in terms of taking a different path on Gaza were limited by his political infirmity.
And the question of why it is that Democrats facing the enormity of the threat to the existence of American liberal democracy, and the enormity of whatâs happening in Gaza, where I saw a statistic that said that 5% of the population is either missing, injured, or killedâfive percent, rightâa level of destruction and horror that will haunt the entire world for generations and lay down a precedent for what other leaders will feel emboldened to do that is frankly terrifying, why is it in the face of these two enormous challenges that more people have not been able to actually rise to this challenge? And I do wonder whether weâre gonna have to go back and look at some of the writing that was done in the 1930s and 40s in the face of the rise of fascism and look at writers who questioned whether in fact people wanted freedom that much. Faced with the inability of people to fight for it, was there an unwillingness to actually want freedom, or at least want it enough?
This was the Parshah that Jews read over last Shabbat, which was Parashat Shâlach, which has to do with the question of the spies and why theyâre not willing to urge Bânai Israel to enter into the land. And there are a lot of debates about this question. And I recognize that itâs also in some ways problematic to make this idea of conquering Canaan into a test of moral courage, given of course that it meant that the destruction of those people. But still, if you kind of take it in a more metaphorical sense, not thinking about the conquering of the land itself, but just the larger question of what it takes to do something thatâs really hard, right? What it takes to overcome your fears and take an action thatâs risky, but if you know that the consequences of not action acting are really disastrous?
One of the points that the Lubavitcher Rebbe makes about this is that he suggests that perhaps Bânai Israel didnât want to enter into the land, not because they feared defeat, but because they feared victory. Which is to say they feared the consequences of actually truly having freedom. And one of the points that Jonathan Sacks makes about this point is he relates it to the question of what happens, according to the Torah, if a Jewish servant, a Jewish slave, decides that they donât want to be free, even after the requisite period of time when they are allowed to be free? And he notes that what happens is that thereâs a ceremony in which their ear is pierced if they willingly give up their freedom. And then he quotes Rabbi Yochanan Ben Yochai in the Palestinian Talmud as saying, âthe ear that heard God saying at Sinai, âthe Israelites are my slaves. They are my slaves because I have brought them out of Egypt. I am the Lord your G-d.â But, nevertheless, preferred subjection to men rather than to G-d deserves to be pierced.â The point theyâre making is there is a stigma, a shame, in when you have the opportunity to fight for freedom, to voluntarily relinquish it.
And it seems to me that is what this class of Democratic leaders is doing. There is an opportunity to fight for freedom in the United States by taking the best possible shot at defeating Donald Trump. Yes, itâs uncertain. But at least it gives you a better shotâa real shotâat defeating Donald Trump in a way that you donât have with Joe Biden. And there is a fightâagain, uncertainâbut a political fight to be waged for the principle of human rights, the principle of international law, the principle that Palestinians deserve to live and be free. And that would also be enormously difficult. But the question is: are you willing to actually take on that fight? And the answer weâre getting from leading Democrats is: no. And that there is a shame to that. Thereâs a deep shame to that and weâre going to be living with the consequences I fear for a very long time.
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I made a second video this week because I wanted to say something about Jamaal Bowman, who lost his primary race for Congress last night. He lost because he had the courage to visit the West Bank and speak about what he saw. He lost because heâs an unusual politician. He has moral courage.
Sources Cited in This Video:
A Politico article about Bowmanâs trip to the West Bank.
A Jewish Currents article I wrote about how Pro-Israel groups keep US foreign policy white.
Our guests this Friday at 11 AM will be Raja Khouri and Jeffrey Wilkinson, co-authors of the book, The Wall Between: What Jews and Palestinians Donât Want to Know About Each Other. Since October 7, dialogue between Palestinians and Jews has become even more difficult, and there are those in both communitiesâand on the left and rightâwho question its value. Iâm excited to ask Raja and Jeffrey to respond to those criticisms, and to explain how they believe that greater dialogue between Palestinians and Jews can contribute to the struggle for equality, freedom, and safety for everyone.
Paid subscribers will get the link this Tuesday and the video the following week. Theyâll also gain access to our library of past Zoom interviews with guests like Rashid Khalidi, Thomas Friedman, Ilhan Omar, Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, and Bret Stephens.
See you on Friday,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
So, last night, Jamaal Bowman lost his race for re-election to Congress. And I wanted to say something about him and that race. Now, itâs important not to be willing to overlook the flaws of people just because you profoundly agree with them on really important policy issues. So, I donât want to suggest that Jamaal Bowman didnât make any mistakes in this race. I think it was unfortunate when he said that Jews in Westchester segregate themselves. If you look at the context, I think you can understand what he was trying to say, which was essentially that people would understand him better if people live together more, and that would actually break down antisemitism. But still, I think it was probably a territory that he shouldnât have ventured into. But that said, again, even though we need to be willing to be critical of people we disagree with, itâs also important that we not be naive.
And that comment had nothing to do with the onslaught that Jamaal Bowman faced from AIPAC and other pro-Israel groups. That onslaught was fundamentally about one thing. It was about the fact that Jamaal Bowman was a passionate supporter of Palestinian freedom. When members of Congress are staunch supporters of Israel, they can say things that are far, far more problematic vis-Ă -vis Jews than anything that Jamaal Bowman ever said, and get a complete pass. The reason that Jamaal Bowman had a target on his back was really simple. Itâs because he went to see what life was like for Palestinians in the West Bank. Now, that might not seem like a big deal, but it actually is because the vast majority of members of Congress avert their eyes. They make a conscious choice to go to Israel on AIPAC junkets that donât show them the reality of what itâs like for Palestinians to live their entire lives without the most basic of human rights. I suspect perhaps they just donât want to know because they know that if they did see, it would only cause problems for them. But Jamaal Bowman went to see. He even went to Hebron, which is perhaps the most brutal of all the places in the West Bank, a place where Palestinians canât even walk on certain streets in their own city. And he had the courage to see. And he had the courage to talk about it. And thatâs unusual for a member of Congress.
And the thing you always need to remember about these people, you know, who spent untold amounts of money, unprecedented amounts of money, on trying to defeat himâthe people who gave all this money to AIPAC and other pro-Israel groups to defeat himâis that, overwhelmingly, they have not seen the things that Jamaal Bowman has seen. I have lived in proximity to those people my entire life. Iâm telling you they may have been to Israel 40 times. But those kind of AIPAC donors, they donât go to see what life is like for Palestinians who have lived their entire lives in the West Bank without the right to vote for the government that has life and death power over their lives under a different legal system, a military legal system, while theyâre Jewish neighbors enjoy free movement, and due process, and the right to vote, and citizenship. If they had gone to see those things, I think many of them would not be AIPAC donors because it would shake them to their core. But one of the reasons I think they find the kind of things that Jamaal Bowman says so frightening is because they havenât had the courage to go and actually face these realities for themselves. But Jamaal Bowman did go to face these realities and then he took it upon himself to talk about what he had seen. And he paid a political price.
The second thing I want to say about Jamaal Bowman and this race is that you canât disentangle the attack that he came under because of his views about Israel from the opposition to him simply because he was a courageous and passionate progressive on a whole range of issues. The thing thatâs important to remember about people who give a lot of money to AIPAC is itâs not just that theyâre pro-Israel, or that theyâre generally Jewish. Theyâre also extremely wealthy. And itâs often difficult to disentangle their pro-Israel politics from their class perspectives. But things fuse together, right? They donât want supporters of Palestinian rights in Congress. But they also donât want people who are going to raise their taxes or try to fundamentally change the American economic system.
And so, when you defeat Jamaal Bowman, itâs kind of a twofer because you get rid of a critic of Israel, but you also get rid of someone who potentially could threaten your own bottom line. And one of the dirty little secrets, I think, about kind of American Jewish organizational life is that people find it often easier to say that they oppose progressives because those progressives are anti-Israel or supposedly âantisemiticâ than to admit that partly theyâre doing it for economic self-interest because theyâre just really rich people who donât want progressives like Jamaal Bowman because those people might threaten their bottom line. So, thatâs another reason I think that progressives like Jamaal Bowman come under such fierce assault. Itâs much nicer if youâre one of the very, very wealthy people who gave all this money to AIPAC to have a kind of milquetoast moderate like George Latimer who wonât rock the boat on Israel. And he wonât really rock the boat by challenging corporate interests on anything.
The third point I want to make about Jamaal Bowman has to do with race. Now, itâs not true that AIPAC opposes Black members of Congress simply because theyâre Black. Which is to say if thereâs a really, really pro-Israel Black member of congress, like Ritchie Torres, theyâre thrilled about that, right. But itâs also not coincidental that so many of the people that AIPAC tries to destroy politically are Black or other people of color. And thatâs because people who have a family history of oppression in the United States are more likelyânot always, by any meansâbut, on average, are more likely to identify with the Palestinians because of their own experience. Theyâre more likely to feel, as Jamaal Bowman did, a kind of moral obligation to themselves and their own ancestors to go and see whatâs actually going on to Palestinians who lack basic rights in the West Bank.
And so, when you go to politically destroy people who care about Palestinians, youâre going to end up destroying a disproportionate number of those people who will be Black or other people of color. And thereâs a whole history to this. It didnât start with Jamaal Bowman. You can think about Andrew Young, Jimmy Carterâs Ambassador to the United Nations, who, coming out of the Civil Rights movement, felt he had an obligation to have a concern for Palestinians, and met a PLO representative in the late 1970s, and there was a big pro-Israel outcry, and he was forced out of his job. Or Jesse Jackson, who came under assault in the 1980s when he ran for president, or a congressman like Walter Fauntroy or Barack Obama or Raphael Warnock. You may remember that Raphael Warnock went on a trip of Black pastors to see Palestinian life for himself, wrote a very passionate, eloquent letter talking about the parallels between the oppression of Palestinians and the oppression of Black Americans. And Raphael Warnock came under fierce assault and had to walk that back. And if he hadnât walked that back, he probably wouldnât be a senator right now.
Jamaal Bowman is a different kind of person. Heâs a very unusual politician in that he is a man of genuine moral conviction, of genuine moral courage, and he was willing to put his political life at risk. And he did so perhaps partly because we are in this extraordinarily horrifying momentâa moment when people are being tested, when people are doing things that I think we will remember for a very long time. I saw yesterday that Save the Children was reporting that, by their estimates, as many as 20,000 children in Gaza are either detained, missing, lying in mass graves, or dead under the rubble. Twenty thousand. I think perhaps Jamaal Bowman knew that this was a moment on which he was willing to be judged and he was willing to risk his political career for that. And I really, really hope that I live long enough to live in an America in which Palestinian lives are considered equal to Jewish lives. And in that America, I believe, that people will look back with shame at what was done to Jamaal Bowman, and maybe even some of those AIPAC donors or their children or grandchildren will feel shame, and we will look back at Jamaal Bowman in this race as a hero.
It says in Pirkei Avot in the Mishnahâand forgive the gendered language, it was written a long time agoâit says, âin the place where there is no man, be a man.â Or we might retranslate it as, âin the place where there is no humanity, bring humanity.â Jamaal Bowman was in a place in Congress in Washington where there are very, very few people who are willing to risk anything politically for the cause of Palestinian lives, for the cause of Palestinian freedom. And he did. In a place where there was no man, he was a man. And for that reason, I believe we will one day look back on him as a hero.
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Our call this week will be at our new regular time: Friday at 11 AM Eastern.
Our guests will be Raja Khouri and Jeffrey Wilkinson, co-authors of the book, The Wall Between: What Jews and Palestinians Donât Want to Know About Each Other. Since October 7, dialogue between Palestinians and Jews has become even more difficult, and there are those in both communitiesâand on the left and rightâwho question its value. Iâm excited to ask Raja and Jeffrey to respond to those criticisms, and to explain how they believe that greater dialogue between Palestinians and Jews can contribute to the struggle for equality, freedom, and safety for everyone.
Paid subscribers will get the link this Tuesday and the video the following week. Theyâll also gain access to our library of past Zoom interviews with guests like Rashid Khalidi, Thomas Friedman, Ilhan Omar, Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, and Bret Stephens.
Sources Cited in this Video
Mehdi Hasanâs interview with Representative Dean Phillips.
The New York Timesâ investigation of Israelâs Sde Teiman detention center. Hasanâs reference to a prisoner who reportedly died by rape comes from an UNRWA interview with a 41-year-old detainee who gave an account similar to the one that Younis al-Hamlawi gave The New York Times about being forced to sit on a hot metal stick. That prisoner claimed another detainee subjected to the procedure had died as a result.
Why the history of Israelâs restrictions on movement from Gaza dates back to 1991.
Things to Read
(Maybe this should be obvious, but I link to articles and videos I find provocative and significant, not necessarily ones I entirely agree with.)
In Jewish Currents (subscribe!), Shane Burley and Jonah Ben Avraham explain the flawed methodology that the ADL uses to measure antisemitism.
Like so many people with family in Gaza, the political analyst Khalil Sayegh has endured unthinkable agony since this war began. Heâs seen his father and sister killed. Heâs trying to bring his remaining family members to safety. If you can help, please do. Please also consider helping the Alshawa family, which is sheltering in central Gaza and hoping to evacuate to safety.
Aziz Abu Sarah on the absurdity of pro-Palestinian demonstrators protesting Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
The deputy assistant secretary for Israeli-Palestinian affairs resigns after opposing Bidenâs policies on the war.
Israelâs military spokesman says âanyone who thinks we can eliminate Hamas is wrong.â
See you on Friday at 11 AM,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
Hi. I wanted to say something about an extraordinary interview that Mehdi Hassan did last week with Congressman Dean Phillips from Minnesota, who had been a candidate for president against Biden this year. This was for Mehdiâs new platform, Zeteo. What makes the interview so remarkable, I think, is that it kind of offers a glimpse of what American public and media discourse about this war, and about Israel and Palestine more generally, might be like if Palestinian lives were considered equal to Israeli lives.
So, Mehdi Hassan starts by asking Dean Phillips: was it okay in your view for Israel to kill all of these Palestinians, including many children in the military operation that freed for Israeli hostages? And Philip says, âitâs an unacceptable price, but I think itâs a price that has to be paid.â So, he says, basically, it was really awful, but it was necessary. And then, Mehdi Hasan takes the question in a direction that I really donât think Dean Phillips was expecting because itâs so rarely asked. And he says, âif youâre saying that to free people from the clutches of horrible captivityââthis is Mehdi Hasan speakingââhostages, people possibly being abused in captivity to free them, you have to pay a price, a horrible price. Does that ratio work the other way?â
And then, Medhi Hasan continues: âhow many Israelis can Palestinians kill to free Palestinian detainees who are currently being tortured in Israeli captivity, some of them being raped to death according to the New York Times last week. Can they kill 200 Israelis to free four Palestinians who are being tortured in an Israeli prison?â And Phillipsâ response is kind of remarkable. And by the way, I donât think Phillips is a dumb guy. I actually think if you listen to the interview, heâs probably more thoughtful on these issues than your average member of Congress, although that may be a low bar. And to give him credit, heâs also appearing on an interview with Mehdi Hasan, which he probably knew was going to be a really challenging interview.
But so, hereâs what Dean Phillips says. Heâs quite startled. You can listen in the interview. Heâs clearly surprised by the allegation. He saysâPhilips saysââyou said Palestinian prisoners are being raped to death by Israeli soldiers? I donât believe that to be true,â right. Hasan has just quoted The New York Times, which is about as respectable a media outlet as you can have. And then Philips said, âI donât believe that to be true.â And then Mehdi Hasan goes into detail about the allegations that heâs talking about. And if you read The New York Times report that they did on this military base called Sde Teiman, where Israel has been holding a lot of Palestinian prisoners, first there was an UNRWA report that was done where they interviewed Palestinians who had been released from Sde Teiman.
I know people will say, oh, you canât believe anything UNRWA says. But then actually The New York Times kind of went and did a lot of these interviews itself. It found, for instance, that eight former detainees had said they had been punched, kicked, and beaten with batons, rifle bats, and a hand metal detector while in custody. One said his ribs were broken when he was kneed in the chest. A second detainee said his ribs were broken after he was kicked and beaten with a rifle. Seven said they been forced to wear only a diaper while being interrogated. Three said they had received electric shocks during interrogations. Three said they had lost more than 40 pounds during their interrogation. The IDF denied abuse, but an Israeli soldier who the Times talked to said that he and several fellow soldiers had regularly boasted of beating detainees. And a general named Younis al-Hamlawi, who was a nurse who was arrested when Israel was raiding the Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza, said that a female officer had ordered two soldiers to lift him up and press his rectum against a metal stick that was fixed to the ground. Mr. al-Hamlawi said the stick penetrated his rectum for roughly five seconds, causing it to bleed and leaving him with unbearable pain. He also recalled being forced to sit in a chair wired with electricity. He said he was shocked so often that after initially urinating uncontrollably, he then stopped urinating for several days.
And, by the way, I know some peopleâs immediate response to this is: how on earth could you compare these people to the Israeli hostages? These were Hamas fighters. The people that The New York Times was interviewing were the people who were released from Sde Teimon. They were about 1,200 people. They had about 4,000 people there, according to the Times. They released 1,200 because the Israeli military didnât think they were Hamas fighters. If the Israeli military thought they were Hamas fighters, they would still be there. The Times was only talking to people who the IDF had basically said, sorry, we picked you up, but actually we donât think you did anything, right? So, those are the people who were making these allegations.
Now again, there are obviously lots of differences between Israeli prisons in general and the hostage situation. And I donât, by any means, am not saying this to undermine in any way the severity of what Israeli hostages have been through, which is horrifying. But the point is that, according to The New York Times, which is a pretty credible source, right, that Dean Phillips would probably believe The New York Times if The New York Times did a report about the abuse of Israelis by Hamas, right? Theyâre saying the terrible things are happening to these people who the Israeli military ultimately admits basically didnât do anything, right?
And so, Mehdi Hasan turns the question around and says: would it be okay for Hamas or some of the Palestinian faction to go and free such people if it led to a lot of Israelis being killed? And Dean Philips doesnât answer the question. And I think the reason he canât answer the question is because if you genuinely believe, speaking as an AmericanâIâm not speaking about an Israeli who might have a natural sense of affinity for Israeli lives, or even letâs say a Jewish person or a Palestinian person who might have a particular loyalty, youâre talking about as an American here, right, whose stated view is that, as Phillips actually said in another part of the interview, he believes that Israeli Jewish and Palestinian are equalâthat can you actually apply that framework to American policy? Can you actually follow it through to its conclusion as Mehdi Hasan asked him to do? And he canât. He canât answer the question, right? Because he canât say âyesâ because he doesnât actually operate within a framework in which Palestinian lives are considered equal to Jewish Israeli lives. That almost nobody, very few people in American public discourse, actually operate within that framework. Itâs completely baked into American public discourse that they are not, right?
So, to give another example, right, we are a very frequently asked to imagine what it would be like for Israelisâwhat it was like for Israelisâwhen they were attacked brutally on October 7th, and how we would feel as Americans, and what we would do if that happened to us, right? Thatâs almost a cliche at this point, right? But when was the last time you heard a prominent person in the American media, or an American politician asked how you would feel as a Palestinian, right, if your family had been forcibly expelled from their homes in 1948 into this very, very overcrowded territory called Gaza, which has beenâlong before actually Hamas took over, even going back to the early 1990sâ where movement in and out of Gaza has been very, very severely restricted by Israel, again, going back even long before Hamas took over. And since 2006, the legislative elections that Hamas won, you know, have a place which is called âunlivableâ by the United Nations, called an âopen air prisonâ by Human Rights Watch, which has been repeatedly bombed and not been able to rebuild its infrastructure, right?
So, nobody says, well, what would you do if you were a Palestinian under those circumstances, right? Because there is a natural kind of tendency to think that Israelâs Jews are fully human, and therefore like us, and therefore we should ask how we would respond in their position, which is a very legitimate question, right. But if you believe that Jewish and Palestinian lives are equal, you should also be asking the other question, which is: how would you react as a Palestinian given those things, and ask people to imagine how Americans would react were we in the situation the Palestinians are in? And yet, that doesnât happen. And you see that when Mehdi Hasan does do that, does something extraordinary in American public discourse, which shouldnât be extraordinary but is, you see how Dean Phillipsâwhoâs not a stupid guy, rightâsimply canât answer that question. He canât respond to it, right, because there is such a huge gap between the stated belief, at least among Democrats, that human lives are equal, and the actual guiding assumptions that guide how they make policy on this question. And I think the more that is exposed in interviews like this, the more people can start to see that the basic fundamental principles that many Americans espouse are not being put into practice by our government, and that that represents a problem.
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Our call this week will be at a special time: Thursday at 11 AM Eastern.
Our guest this week will be Geoffrey Levin, Assistant Professor of Middle Eastern and South Asian Studies at Emory University and author of the new book, Our Palestine Question: Israel and American Jewish Dissent, 1948-1978, which explores a largely unknown history of American Jewish criticism of Israel in the first decades of its existence, and how it was quashed. Itâs a particularly relevant history today given the rise of Jewish organizing against the war in Gaza.
Paid subscribers will get the link this Tuesday and the video the following week. Theyâll also gain access to our library of past Zoom interviews with guests like Rashid Khalidi, Thomas Friedman, Ilhan Omar, Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, and Bret Stephens.
Things to Read
(Maybe this should be obvious, but I link to articles and videos I find provocative and significant, not necessarily ones I entirely agree with.)
The Jewish Currents (subscribe!) podcast discusses the challenges of being part of an American synagogue community during this war.
Like so many people with family in Gaza, the political analyst Khalil Sayegh has endured unthinkable agony since this war began. Heâs seen his father and sister killed. Heâs trying to bring his remaining family members to safety. If you can help, please do. Please also consider helping the Alshawa family, which is sheltering in central Gaza and hoping to evacuate to safety.
A beautiful statement by the Deputy Permanent Observer of the State of Palestine to the United Nations, Majed Bamya, about Noa Argamaniâs release from captivity.
Is the global outcry over Israelâs actions starting to hit its high-tech sector?
What happens to Palestinian Gandhiâs?
Masculinity and the New York Jewish Intellectuals.
Wajahat Aliâs new newsletter, Left Hook.
See you on Thursday at 11 AM,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
Hi. As Iâve been following the news of the increased escalation between Israel and Hezbollah, which is really terrifying, my mind has kept going back to a conversation I had with an Israeli friend soon after October 7th. And my friend said, âyou donât understand, Peter. If we donât destroy Hamas, people will never feel safe living in the south of Israel again. And we will have lost that part of our country.â And what he was saying made a huge amount of sense, it seems to me, in terms of Israeli political culture, Israeli political psychology given the trauma of what had happened after October 7th. And so, he was saying because that is non-negotiable, we have to defeat Hamas. And what I was thinking was: but I donât think you can defeat Hamas. I think thatâs non-negotiable. So, we were essentially at loggerheads because he was saying that, for a political reason, Israel had to do something militarily that I didnât think could be done. And now, more than eight months later, I think it seems clear to me that it cannot be done.
And so, now I feel like thereâs a version of this playing out in terms of Israelâs debate in its north vis-a-vis Hezbollah, but in some ways with even more frightening stakes. Which the argument is: Israelis cannot return to the north because all of these people have been displaced from their homes unless we push Hezbollah away from that border. And that beyond that, Israel can no longer accept the kind of situation that it accepted before October 7th, which is to say the precariousness, the uncertainty, the unsatisfactory nature of the fact that Hezbollah was always there with this huge arsenal. That was acceptable before October 7th. We can no longer accept these things now because we have a greater sense of threat and also perhaps because we have lost our deterrent, and it needs to be re-established.
This reminds me a lot of the debate in the United States around Iraq after September 11th where people were saying maybe we could muddle through with Saddam Hussein, who we thought was kind of rearming and, you know, eluding the sanctions regime. Maybe that was okay before September 11th. But now, given that weâve seen the potential perilâand given that we look weakâwe need a decisive answer. Again, but like my friend in Israel, it all assumes that a decisive answer is possible, right? Itâs as if to say, militarily, this has to become possible because politically we need it to be possible.
And yet, I have not heardâjust as I did not hear as Israel was going into Gazaâanyone offering a convincing explanation of how Israel was going to defeat and destroy Hamas. I havenât heard anyone say that about how Israel is going to destroy Hezbollah, force Hezbollah off of Israelâs borders. Again, it seems to me more like this situation of kind of you start from a political necessity, and then you assume that thereâs a military solution. And to me, what this suggests is that the way in which Israeli Jewish leaders, and Israeli Jewish political discourseâand much Jewish discourse in the diaspora because it tends to often kind of follow alongâhas a sense of the political terms of discussion that canât imagine political solutions that donât require these military solutions.
Again, military solutions seem to me fantastical, which are not actually possible. That in reality, Israel going to war against Hezbollah, Israel might be able to destroy a lot of southern Lebanon and a lot of Lebanon period, and destroy a lot of Hezbollahâs weaponry, but at a massive cost to Israel. I mean, right now, itâs just the North is unlivable. I mean, Hezbollah could kind of make Tel Aviv unlivable, at least for a while, right? And in terms of what this would do in terms of Israelâs international isolation given whatâs already happened, it just seems to me strategically really, really disastrous for Israel. If you want to kind of move Israel closer to a point where people can really imagine the country no longer being able to exist, it seems to me going to war in Lebanon would be a really good way of doing that in terms of ramping up even more international isolation, just making larger sections of the country unlivable. And yet, to be able to avoid that you have to imagine political responses, again, just like you would have vis-Ă -vis Gaza, which would have been political responses, which are not really within the Jewish Israeli terms of mainstream debate. Which would involve substantial compromise and kind of reimagining of the whole question of what brings security fundamentally from a political lens, not from a military lens. Which in the Palestinian Gaza case would mean that basically there is no solution problem that Hamas represents unless you offer Palestinians a clear pathway towards basic human rights and freedom. Thatâs the central problem you have to answer if you want to deal with the military problem that Hamas faces.
And similarly with Hezbollah, there is no answer vis-a-vis Hezbollah unless you change the dynamic with Palestinians since Hezbollah is fundamentally doing this as a kind of an ally, almost as kind of an adjunct to the Palestinian case. And beyond that, that you need a different relationship with Iran, that you need some kind of thaw and detente in this cold war with Iran given the influence that Iran has over Hezbollah. And it seems to me, what frightens me so much is that those political ways of thinkingâthat it seems to me could be an alternative to the military answer and could offer a vision of Israelis returning to the north as returning to the south that did not involve a second, even more potentially catastrophic warâare just not really on the table in terms of the debate.
And I donât feel like when I look at American discourse, American political discourse, American Jewish discourse, I donât see an effort to really or push Israelis, to challenge Jewish Israelis, to ask them to think outside of their own political termsâagain, in an Israel right now where basically the terms of political debate run from the very far right to essentially the center right, right, in which people who genuinely see Palestinian freedom as the essence of trying to provide Israeli security, those voices among Jewish Israelis are basically off the table. And thatâs part of what frightens me so much about this moment.
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For the foreseeable future, our Zoom calls will be held at a new time: Friday at 11 AM Eastern.
Our guest this week will be Raef Zreik, associate professor of Jurisprudence at Ono Academic College in Israel, a senior researcher at the Jerusalem Van Leer Institute, and a former member of the executive committee of Balad, one of Israelâs predominantly Palestinian parties. Heâs one of the most brilliant theorists of Palestine and Israel, and I want to ask him to step back from the nightmarish events of the moment to talk about their long-term consequences for relations between Palestinians and Israeli Jews.
Paid subscribers will get the link this Tuesday and the video the following week. Theyâll also gain access to our library of past Zoom interviews with guests like Rashid Khalidi, Thomas Friedman, Ilhan Omar, Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, and Bret Stephens.
Sources Cited in this Video
Elliott Abramsâ essay in Foreign Affairs.
The Pew Research Center on Israeli opinion.
George Orwellâs âPolitics and the English Language.â
Things to Read
(Maybe this should be obvious, but I link to articles and videos I find provocative and significant, not necessarily ones I entirely agree with.)
The Jewish Currents (subscribe!) podcast discusses secularism and the Jewish left.
Like so many people with family in Gaza, the political analyst Khalil Sayegh has endured unthinkable agony since this war began. Heâs seen his father and sister killed. Heâs trying to bring his remaining family members to safety. If you can help, please do. Please also consider helping the Alshawa family, which is sheltering in central Gaza and hoping to evacuate to safety.
A Holocaust survivorâs talk is cancelled in Detroit because he protested the Gaza war.
Mexico, El Salvador and their ironic relationship to Israel-Palestine.
The importance of the halakhic left.
Adam Shatz on Israel then and now.
A message about Noam Chomsky.
See you on Friday at 11 AM,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
Hi. Iâd encourage you to do an experiment. Go on Google or some other search engine, and type in the phrase, âIsraelis feelâ or âIsraelis believe.â I suspect that what youâll find is that many of the things that you turn up about how Israelis feel, or Israelis believe, are not actually statements about how all of Israelâs citizens feel, or what they believe, but are using essentially Israelis as a synonym for Jewish Israeli.
So, for instance, hereâs one example in Foreign Affairs in April, Elliott Abrams, the former Bush and Trump administration official, wrote, âIsraelis across the ideological spectrum agree that Hamas must be crushed.â Now, heâs clearly using Israelis here as a synonym for Jewish Israelis. And itâs true that for Jewish Israelis that statement is probably true. A Pew research center poll in May found that only 4% of Jewish Israelis think that Israelâs war in Gaza has gone too far. But if you use Israelis to mean all of Israelâs citizens, then his statement is completely wrong because according to Pew, 74% of Israelâs Palestinian citizens or Arab Israelis, as theyâre sometimes called, think that Israelâs war has gone too far.
So, whatâs happening here is it that Americans in our public discourse are very often embracing the kind of ethno-nationalist language that comes from Israel. So, because Israel defines itself as a Jewish state, indeed the word Israeli itself, right, Israel is another name for the Jewish people. Itâs the name that Jacob is given when he wrestles with the angel and becomes a name for the Jewish people. So, because the very name of Israel, and Israeli, is essentially a synonym for Jew, what happens is the fact that 20% of the Israeli citizens who are not Jewish gets erased from our public discourse, and we essentially adopt the terms of the ethno-nationalist terms of debate. And so, what we end up doing is we basically use Jewish Israeli as a synonym for Israeli, even though I think in the United States where Black Americans are only 10% of the populationâsignificantly less than Palestinian citizens are of the Israeli citizenryâwe would really object if someone used American and white American as synonyms. But essentially, we do a version of that when we talk about Israelis all the time.
And itâs an even bigger problem, right, when you realize that Israel controls millions and millions of Palestinians who donât have any citizenship at all. That 70% of the Palestinians under Israeli control, those in the West Bank and Gaza and East Jerusalem, have lived under Israeli control, in many cases their entire lives, but canât become citizens. So, we would never call them Israelis. And the problem here, I think, is that when we talk about other groups of peopleâletâs say Americans, rightâweâd mean citizens, but we also mean perhaps a little more vaguely, just kind of long-term residents, people who are spending their lives here, people who are not tourists, right, even if they donât have citizenship.
But in the United States, thereâs more of a close alignment between those two categories. Itâs true we have long-term undocumented people, but for the most part most of the people who are going to be here their entire lives are citizens. And so, we essentially talk as if the same thing is true in Israel. But in Israel, itâs really not true at all because Israel has controlled since 1967 these very large populations of Palestinians that canât become citizens, and therefore would never be described as Israelis, right? And yet, in a certain sense, one should describe them as Israeli, again because they have lived their entire lives under the control of this state.
So, we would never say something like, you know, 50% of the Israelis oppose a Jewish state or oppose Zionism. But if we were to actually refer to all the people under Israeli control, 50% of whom were Palestinian, that would be a reasonably accurate statement. Again, itâs just that we would never think to call them Israelis, but the reason we wouldnât call them Israelis is because Israel doesnât extend them citizenship, and more deeply, because the very term Israeli itself has an ethno-nationalist connotation, which essentially erases Palestinians, the non-citizens, and even the citizens, right?
And I think the reason this is important is that one of the points that George Orwell makes in his famous essay, âPolitics and the English language,â is that if you want to critique the actions of a state, or the actions of people in power, you have to challenge the language that people in power create. That if you essentially replicate that language in your own usage, then even if you think you were in opposition to those policies, you were actually complicit with that power structure because you are using its language and accepting its terms of debate. And thatâs why I think if we want to question the idea of an ethno-nationalist project, the idea of Jewish supremacy, the idea of a state that has a different legal regime for Jews and Palestiniansâmost blatantly among those Palestinians who donât have citizenship, but even in significant ways for that minority of Palestinians who do have citizenship because they are not equal citizens in a state that has a special set of responsibilities to members of one ethno-national groupâwe have to be explicit in the language we use and not simply erase Palestinians from our discourse when we use the term Israeli.
And so, I think this is something for us to think about as we go forward, and we try to have a better American public debate about what genuine liberal democracy and equality under the law might mean for people in Palestine and Israel.
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For the foreseeable future, our Zoom calls will be held at a new time: Friday at 11 AM Eastern.
Our guest this week will be Congressman Ro Khanna, who represents the 17th district of California and is a leading progressive voice in Democratic foreign policy. He has called on Israel to immediately halt its attack on Rafah and also tried to convince protesters against the war to support Joe Bidenâs reelection. Weâll talk about US policy toward the war, whether Biden can win back progressives who feel betrayed by it, and about the relationship between progressivism and Zionism more generally.
Paid subscribers will get the link this Tuesday and the video the following week. Theyâll also gain access to our library of past Zoom interviews with guests like Rashid Khalidi, Thomas Friedman, Ilhan Omar, Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, and Bret Stephens.
Sources Cited in this Video
Things to Read
(Maybe this should be obvious, but I link to articles and videos I find provocative and significant, not necessarily ones I entirely agree with.)
The Jewish Currents (subscribe!) podcast discusses the end of Curb Your Enthusiasm.
Like so many people with family in Gaza, the political analyst Khalil Sayegh has endured unthinkable agony since this war began. Heâs seen his father and sister killed. Heâs trying to bring his remaining family members to safety. If you can help, please do. Please also consider helping the Alshawa family, which is sheltering in central Gaza and hoping to evacuate to safety.
For the Foundation for Middle East Peaceâs Occupied Thoughts podcast, I talked to Shraddha Joshi and Asmer Safi, Harvard students whose degrees are being withheld because of their activism for Palestinian rights.
An open letter from academics in Gaza.
The descendants of Nazis march for Israel.
Viewer Response:
After my last video, David Lelyveld questioned my suggestion that the war would dog Anthony Blinken and Jake Sullivan after they leave government. He wrote, âMcGeorge Bundy went from the Johnson administration to the presidency of the Ford Foundation for some 15 years. Walt Rostow had a comfortable, well-endowed chair at the University of Texas for 30. As we say in New York, not chopped liver. I wouldn't weep for Biden's subordinates.â
See you on Friday at 11 AM,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
Americaâs relationship with Israel is a little bit like imagine thereâs a person in a house, two groups of people in a house, but one is vastly more powerful. And theyâre fighting with one another. And the vastly more powerful side, as you might imagine, is doing a tremendous amount of violence to the weaker side. The weaker side is doing some violence as well, but itâs very disproportionate. And this being Israel and the Palestinians. And the United States is giving weapons to the side thatâs stronger and allowing it to kind of pummel the weaker side more and more. And the United States is continuing to do that, and then kind of making suggestions from the side.
So, a while back, Chuck Schumer said that it would be good if Benjamin Netanyahu were not Israelâs prime minister anymore. So, itâs kind of the equivalent of saying to that stronger side in the house, you know, we think that you should have someone else from your group actually be in charge of this conflict. Or now, we have Joe Biden basically laying out this plan for a ceasefire over multiple stages, again basically giving his advice to both sides about how maybe this conflict could end, but all the while continuing to give the weapons that continue to fuel the conflict and allow the stronger side to continue to inflict all this violence on the weaker side.
And itâs just really bizarre. Because Americaâs primary responsibility is not actually to choose Israelâs leaders. And Americaâs primary responsibility is not even actually to end this war. Americaâs primary responsibility is to figure out what it does with its money and its weapons. Thatâs what America has direct control over. America doesnât have actual direct control over how this war in Gaza ends. From a moral perspective, its primary responsibility is its own role. And thereâs this weird way in which, in establishment American discourse, we essentially ignore our own role in this and suggest that we are some kind of neutral arbiter, and then throw out various proposals for how the situation may be solved as if we are not an active participant in it, right? And then we seem disappointed when Israel, or sometimes the Palestinians, basically reject these proposalsâbut often Israelâbecause they know that weâre not a neutral observer, that we are a participant, but we are on their side, and that that participation will continue irrespective of what they say about our proposal. So, thereâs not very much cost for them in rejecting the proposal.
It seems to me this is exactly the wrong way to think about it. Itâs a clichĂ©. But itâs true that in the long run, ultimately, this war and this conflict in this situation will have to be solved by Israelis and Palestinians, not by America. So, Americaâs fundamental moral responsibility is not to solve to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflicts, not even to end the Gaza war. Itâs to act ethically with the power that we have. And the power that we have is our power to give weapons and other forms of diplomatic support to one side that continues this.
So, what Joe Biden should be saying is not, âhereâs our 11-point plan for ending the war.â It should be, simply: âitâs not ethical for the United States to continue to arm and diplomatically protect Israel as it inflicts this horrible violence against Palestinians. Iâm the American president. Iâm in charge of how we spend our money and who we send our weapons to, and Iâm not going to do that.â Now that might haveâor could haveâa real impact on Israeli politics, on whether Netanyahu stays prime minister, on how Israel prosecutes this war, or even whether it does. We donât know what the consequences of that would be.
But in some ways, the consequences are not Americaâs primary responsibility. Americaâs primary responsibility is our involvement in the conflict. And yet so often itâs that question, which essentially recedes. And because the Biden administration doesnât want to have to deal with that central question, with the political fallout of actually addressing Americaâs role, it tries to sidestep that by suggesting America continue to be this active participant, but also be this supposedly neutral umpire that can basically come out with a way of solving the conflict. And that doesnât work. Itâs not Americaâs fundamental job.
The presidentâs job is to be able to say to the American people: âI am ethically and wisely using your money in the way we interact with other countries.â Thatâs the question that Joe Biden should have addressed when he spoke to the nation a few days ago. Instead, he continues to evade that question and ends up in these kinds of cul-de-sacs that make him look weak, make him look impotent, and ultimately donât respond to his fundamental moral responsibility as the president of the United States.
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For the foreseeable future, our Zoom calls will be held at a new time: Friday at 11 AM Eastern.
Our guest this week will be Jamil Dakwar, a human rights lawyer, adjunct professor at New York University, and former senior attorney with Adalah, which advocates for the rights of Palestinian citizens of Israel. Heâll be speaking in his personal capacity. Weâll talk about the case against Israel at the International Court of Justice and the case against Israeli and Hamas leaders at the International Criminal Court.
Paid subscribers will get the link this Tuesday and the video the following week. Theyâll also gain access to our library of past Zoom interviews with guests like Rashid Khalidi, Thomas Friedman, Ilhan Omar, Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, and Bret Stephens.
Sources Cited in this Video
Things to Read
(Maybe this should be obvious, but I link to articles and videos I find provocative and significant, not necessarily ones I entirely agree with.)
In Jewish Currents (subscribe!), Raphael Magarik talks with Maya Wind about her book, Towers of Ivory and Steel: How Israeli Universities Deny Palestinian Freedom.
Like so many people with family in Gaza, the political analyst Khalil Sayegh has endured unthinkable agony since this war began. Heâs seen his father and sister killed. Heâs trying to bring his remaining family members to safety. If you can help, please do. Please also consider helping the Alshawa family, which is sheltering in central Gaza and hoping to evacuate to safety.
For the Foundation for Middle East Peaceâs Occupied Thoughts podcast, I talked to Sapir Sluzker Amran about being a queer, feminist, Mizrachi activist in Israelâand about her decision to go to the border with Gaza to challenge people preventing the delivery of aid.
Muhammad Shehada on the danger of selective empathy.
Michael Sfard on the failure of the Israeli media.
Mehdi Hasan vs Jonathan Schanzer on the ICCâs warrants against Israeli leaders.
Former Israeli combat soldier Ariel Bernstein on how Israel is fighting in Gaza.
Imagine if US leaders talked like Irish leaders about Gaza.
M.J. Rosenberg has renamed his Substack (and subscribers must resubscribe).
See you on Friday at 11 AM,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
Hi. So, Iâve been thinking about why the Biden administration has made the decisions that itâs made on this war. Decisions that seem to me to have been disastrous and catastrophic, not just for the people in Gaza though thatâs obviously the most important thingâall the people whoâve died and been injured and whoâve been forced from their homesâbut also has been politically disastrous, and I think actually potentially disastrous also for the careers of top Biden administration officials themselves. Politically disastrous because Joe Biden now is in a situation, as we enter into the kind of the meat of the presidential campaign, in which he literally canât go speak to his own partyâs base. He canât go speak at a university. He canât go speak at a Black church. He canât even go speak at a union event without the very real prospect of his speech being protested, even interrupted, because thereâs so much anger at his policy on Gaza.
Itâs one thing not to have a hugely enthusiastic voter base, as Biden, you know, never really had a hugely enthusiastic support from his partyâs base. But to have people be so angry at you in your own partyâs base that you canât go to the institutions of your own partyâs base without literally having people protest you, thatâs a huge warning sign for a presidential campaign. Yes, it would have been very challenging for Biden to take a different line on the Gaza War as well. But it doesnât seem to me that they recognized early on how bad, politically, how dangerous this path they were on was.
And secondly, I donât get the sense that people in the Biden administration, the foreign policy team, understand the potential ramifications for their careers over this. I mean, there has been a pattern that, if you leave an administration, you can go to work on Wall Street, you can be a consultant. But often times, people also go to universities. They become deans of colleges, universities. They teach at universities. This is a kind of an enjoyable thing for folks to do in the few years while they wait for their party to regain power. This is what people did after the Clinton administration, after the Obama administration.
I think weâre in a very different world now. I think if you are a top Biden foreign policy official, and think that you can go for a couple of pleasant years to some leafy university campus, and teach a couple classes, and hang out for a while, I think youâre sorely mistaken. I think the experience of a Biden official who was involved in this war going to a university in the coming years would be not that different than the experience of people like McGeorge Bundy and and Walt Rostow experienced when they tried to go back to the universities that they had been in before the Vietnam War. These people are gonna be treated with a lot of anger for what theyâve done.
And so, I think about why was it that the administration took this path. And this is my theory. My theory is that if you work in Washington foreign policy for a long period of time, you become more and more divorced from how ordinary progressive minded people think about the world, especially on Israel-Palestine. And the reason you become divorced from them is that when people in Washington talk and work in Washington foreign policy, they always have to think in terms of constraints of whatâs politically possible.
I used to work at Washington think tanks. I used to spend a lot of time with people who came in and out of Democratic foreign policy jobs. And one of the things that always struck me was that, even in relatively private settings, when people would talk about policy, they would always adopt the framework of what is politically possible; what was politically salable, could be sold in their view, politically. And they just were not generally interested in thinking outside of those terms. Because if you talk in terms of policy ideas or moral perspectives that are outside of the bounds of whatâs considered politically possible, you kind of make yourself irrelevant. I think thatâs the kind of the idea in Washington. You become someone whoâs not really useful, whoâs actually a kind of pain in the neck to have around, right? Because the last thing that a policymaker or politician wants is to be told to do something that basically, politically, they donât feel like they can do. So, people adopt these really narrowing constraints in terms of how they talk about policy in general, but especially on Israel-Palestine, because thatâs the foreign policy issue on which the political pressures are the greatest.
And so, what I noticed was that even to make moral arguments about what Israel was doing to the Palestinians, and to suggest that there should be consequences for those moral decisions, was often essentially to speak outside of the political constraints that people were interested in talking about. That essentially people almost like shut off that entire conversation, almost like shut off that entire part of their brain. I think these were people who, had they gone in a different course in life, would have understood that what America was helping Israel do towards Palestinians was deeply immoral. But they recognize that if they were to adopt that perspective, let alone vocalize it within Washington, it would be very injurious to their careers.
I mean, imagine you are a junior or mid-level foreign policy official in a Democratic administration, and you go on record, or youâre heard to say that, you know, five years ago that you think America should condition military aid, or there should be international legal consequences for what Israel is doing. That would be a good way of basically ending your career in government. And so, I think what happens is that people, essentially over time, they shut that part of their brain offâthe part of their brain that might have a kind of a moral revulsion at what Israel is doing to Palestinians, and what America is helping Israel do to Palestinians.
And if you do that long enough, I think you can come to forget the ordinary people out there in the country, ordinary progressive minded people, who are seeing these horrifying images day after day of whatâs happening to people in Gaza, that they donât do that. They donât kind of sublimate these instincts. They just respond in a much more kind of natural, intuitive way, like, why are we doing this? This is completely contrary to my values. Why are my taxpayer dollars being used to fund this? I think whatâs happened in Washington is that Democrats, over timeâDemocrats in the foreign policy kind of establishmentâbasically turn off that part of their brain in order to succeed and make their way up the ranks in foreign policy in Washington.
And if you do that long enough, I think it makes it harder for you to predict that thatâs how ordinary progressive Americans would respond to the war in Gaza. So, I think that may be why people in the Biden administration were slow to recognize that this issue of Gaza was becoming really, really important to progressives in Americaâthat progressive people in America would be revolted by what they were seeing. Because I think the people in the Biden administration themselves had, over time, undergone a process in which they didnât allow themselves to have those same human responses because they were within a political environment in which it would have been very counterproductive for them to do that. And that helps to explain this disconnect between the Biden administration and the progressive base of the Democratic Party that I think now represents a threat to Bidenâs re-election campaign. And I also think it is something that will dog people in the Biden administration for years to come.
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For the foreseeable future, our Zoom calls will be held at a new time: Friday at 11 AM Eastern.
Our guest this week will be Lily Greenberg Call, former Special Assistant to the Chief of Staff at the Department of Interior, who last week resigned to protest US policy in Gaza. She is the first Jewish Biden administration staffer to resign over the war. For ten years, until 2022, she was a youth activist for AIPAC. Her resignation constitutes perhaps the most remarkable illustration yet of the speed with which many young American Jews are abandoning previously held views about Israel and joining the struggle for Palestinian freedom.
Paid subscribers will get the link this Tuesday and the video the following week. Theyâll also gain access to our library of past Zoom interviews with guests like Rashid Khalidi, Thomas Friedman, Ilhan Omar, Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, and Bret Stephens.
Sources Cited in this Video
The Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committeeâs (SNCC) impact on Students for a Democratic Society (SDS).
Senator J.D. Vance proposes Viktor Orbanâs takeover of Hungaryâs universities as a model for the US.
Things to Read
(Maybe this should be obvious, but I link to articles and videos I find provocative and significant, not necessarily ones I entirely agree with.)
On the Jewish Currents (subscribe!) podcast, I talked with Arielle Angel, Mari Cohen, and Daniel May about Zionism and anti-Zionism.
Like so many people with family in Gaza, the political analyst Khalil Sayegh has endured unthinkable agony since this war began. Heâs seen his father and sister killed. Heâs trying to bring his remaining family members to safety. If you can help, please do. Please also consider helping the Alshawa family, which is sheltering in central Gaza and hoping to evacuate to safety.
What Israeli leaders mean when they talk about Gazaâs future.
How American universities are purging pro-Palestinian faculty.
A child of Holocaust survivors speaks about why heâs protesting the war.
An Israeli risks her life to try to stop Israelis from preventing aid from entering Gaza.
Rick Perlstein on why the current crackdown on campus protest is worse than the 1960s.
See you on Friday at 11 AM,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
I want to say a couple more things about the campus protests that have really roiled universities this spring. Thereâs always the danger, of course, that attention to this distracts us from whatâs happening in Gaza, which is much, much more significant. But this is really, I think, a movement whose impact will kind of resound in terms of American politics and American life for a long time to come. And so, I think that thinking about a couple of more of its dynamics might be useful. And I want to make three points based on some other campuses that I visited since a video I did a couple weeks ago.
The first is, I think, one of the things the media has not sufficiently emphasized is the impact of the Black Lives Matter movement on this movement. That it is not a coincidence that we had this huge upswell in protesting around the George Floyd incident several years ago. Now we have this. I was at Whitman College in Washington and talked to a number of students who were involved in the encampment there. This is, you know, a fairly small college. And what struck me again and again was how many of them had been introduced to protest by the George Floyd moment back when they were still in high school, and that often around the edges of that movement was when they got connected to issues about Palestinian organizing, that someone handed them a pamphlet or there was someone who was Palestinian in that movement or someone who was connected to that.
And it was essentially through that movement of Black Lives Matter that they came aware of this issue that has now become so central to them. And I think if you look at American history, this is the way things often work, which is that you have clusters of different movements that cross-fertilize. So, if you think about the early 1960s, and you think about Students for a Democratic Society, which became this crucial element of the kind of the new left organizing against Vietnam, some of its key members like Tom Hayden and Alan Haber had been influenced by the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee in the early 1960s against segregation by Black students in the South.
And so, there you see the way in which one protest movement feeds into another at a time of broader protest. And again, we know that there were veterans of the Civil Rights and anti-war movements who then influenced the feminist movement and the LGBT movement. And so, I think what weâre seeing in this moment is that we are in an era again of youth-ledânot only youth but with a large youth participationâgrassroots activism, and people move from one subject to another. I also heard people who have been involved in climate protest, which has obviously been a huge issue for young people. And it was through climate that they became interested in the question of Palestinian freedom. We can see that Greta Thunberg, who was kind of like the icon of young climate activism, has been involved in this question of Palestinian liberation. So, I think thatâs one thing to keep in mind about how this seemed to come out of nowhere. It really wasnât coming out of nowhere. It was partly coming out of people who have been involved in other movements that had the Palestinian cause kind of adjacent to it.
The second thing that has struck me going to many, many campuses is the way in which among Jewish students who were involved in this pro-Palestine organizing, it is awakening a kind of much greater interest that they had in what it means to be Jewish, and even a greater level of commitment to Jewish religious practice. This runs so counter kind of to the mainstream narrative, which is essentially that, you know, this is a movement against Jews, or maybe if there are a few Jews in this pro-Palestine movement then they are somehow self-hating or kind of completely deluded or tokenized. But what I actually find is, whatâs fascinating to me is the way in which, for a lot of these young people, it seems to me that becoming interested in protesting against what Israel is doing has made them much more interested in Judaism than it was before. I mean, I met a student at Whitman College who, because they were interested in this question of land in Israel-Palestine, had decided they wanted to start studying about Shmita and Yovel. Shmita is this is the Jewish law that says that land has to remain fallow every seven years. Yovel is that after 49 years the land has to go back to his original owner. So, her interest in the question of land and Palestinian right of return had led her to want to study these things. I was told by some students at another campus that they were very proud that at their Shabbatsâthey had this Jews for a ceasefire groupâthat the Shabbats at their campus were attracting, they claim, more people to their Shabbat for a ceasefire than weâre going to Shabbat services at Hillel.
I was told by someone else that at the GW encampmentâagain, this is second hand so I havenât verified itâthat they said that at the encampment, three Jewish students had Bânai Mitzvah, which is a Bar or Bat Mitzvah that they evidently didnât have when they were 12 or 13. They had it at the encampment as, you know, as college students. So, whatâs fascinating to me about this is that you did not see this, I think, among Jews who were involved in the Civil Rights movement, at least not that Iâm aware of. Again, if people know more, but Iâve never heard really aboutâI mean, yes, you have people like, Rabbi Heschel and some other rabbis, but among the young Jewish kids who were going from northern universities to be involved in Freedom Summer and these kind of things, Iâve really never heard of them particularly wanting to hold a lot of Shabbat services and even Passover Seders, which have become a kind of feature of this. Certainly, I know that in the anti-apartheid movement where there were a lot of Jews who were involved in prominent positions in ANC, these folks were not involved in Jewish religious practice as part of this movement.
And I think itâs interesting to think about why that is. I think part of it is clearly because these Jewish kids feel that people are challenging their Jewishness, and theyâre seeing that an element of what composes other peopleâs Jewishness, which is their support for Israel, that they no longer feel connected to. So, theyâre trying to answer the question: what actually makes me Jewish after all? And they want to almost assert that they do have a strong connection to being Jewish in the face of people who are denying that. But I also think that it is a moment in which questions of identity are just more legitimate and more interesting to peopleâethnic, religious, racial, you knowâthan they were, you know, generations ago.
And I wonder how much of that has to do with the decline of communism. Again, when I think about the Jews who were involved in the ANC in South Africa, they were mostly communists. And so, their view about questions about religious identity, religious practice was seen through a communist lens. They were thinking like, what is this opiate of the masses kind of stuff? I wonder whether itâs because weâre in a post-Cold War moment, in which communism doesnât have the power that it did to Jews on the left, that communism as a Jewish identity, which was very strong in the 20th century for Jews who were involved in progressive struggles, isnât there in the same way. And so, people look for religious identity in a way that they didnât before. Well, I know weâre also seeing Muslim prayer in these encampments, and Iâm also really interested in the way among Arab and Palestinian and Muslim students that this movement is shaping their set of identities and their question about what it means to be a Palestinian or Arab or Muslim American. Iâll be curious for folks whoâve had some experiences with that.
The last point I want to make has to do with now that these protests will probably, you know, ebb as universities go on hiatus, the question of what have these accomplished. I think theyâve actually accomplished a lot. And I think that one of the critical things they have accomplished is that the question of divestment, which was a demand I think in almost all of these, is now really much more on the public agenda. At a number of universities, they have said that thereâs going to be a discussion or even a vote among the Board of Trustees. This is going to be true at Brown. But I think whatâs going to happen when we come back in the fall is that thereâs gonna be a much bigger public debate about the question of universitiesâ involvement financially in the oppression of Palestinians than weâve ever seen before. And I think that, especially tied with the growing attention in the Democratic Party to conditioning military aid, really represents a kind of a sea change. And I think these college protests have put that on the table. Now, I think itâs very unlikely weâre going to see much investment in the short term. But this is really not a debate, if youâre a defender of the Israeli government, you want to be having at all. I think one of the reasons people have focused so much on the question of antisemitism on campuses, the question of various chants because they donât want to actually have a debate about divestment. From a pro-Israel perspective, once you start having that debate as a legitimate American public debate, youâve already lost a lot of ground, right? And so, I think in that way the encampments and the protests have achieved a lot.
My fear is that the more powerful they grow, the more the repression we will see. Weâve already seen a lot of oppression this fall, but what I fear we will see is that, as this becomes more of a live possibility of some form of divestment, we will see, first of all, a greater kind of capital strike, which is to say that big donors to the universitiesâmany of whom are Jewishâwill start to pull out. And also, that we will see that the US government at the state and federal level will start to punish these universities even more severely. We already have in a lot of states laws that basically punish companies or individuals from boycotting Israel. So, some of these laws may get triggered. And what I fear is that Jews have played a very, very important disproportionate role in a lot of American universities in sustaining them and supporting them. And in some ways, these universities are, to some degree reflect, a kind of what American Jewish institutional identity is. Which is kind of like what some people have called âprogressive without Palestine,â a general kind of moderate liberal orientation, but certainly not a human rights orientation vis-Ă -vis Palestinians.
And what I worry is that as Jewish institutions see campuses as more of a threat, essentially, people in the Jewish community, the organized American Jewish community will essentially abandon the liberalism of these university projects altogether essentially by starting to divest from them in terms of their dollars, and also by bringing in the force of people in government, especially authoritarian Republicans. And again, remember, we could be dealing with President Donald Trump to basically crack down on these universities because those Republicans had their own reason to want to try to cripple and maim these universities because they feel like these universities are producing people who challenge the founding myths about America that these Republicans are invested into. That seems to me a really frightening dynamic. So, on the one hand, these protest movements have accomplished a lot, and yet I think that the backlash against them may be much more ferocious than anything weâve even seen so far.
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For the foreseeable future, our Zoom calls will be moving to a new time: Friday at 11 AM Eastern.
Our guest this week is someone I admire greatly, Tel Aviv University History Professor Yael Sternhell. Weâll talk about repression in Israeli academia following the arrest of Palestinian legal scholar Nadera Shalhoub-Kevorkian, who teaches at Hebrew University. Weâll also talk about Israeli discourse about the Gaza War and the response in Israel to protests in the US. As an Israeli who is also a historian of the United States, Sternhell is uniquely positioned to discuss the way each country understands the other at this terrible and historic moment.
Paid subscribers will get the link this Monday and the video the following week. Theyâll also gain access to our library of past Zoom interviews with guests like Rashid Khalidi, Thomas Friedman, Ilhan Omar, Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, and Bret Stephens.
Sources Cited in this Video
Israel returns to fight in places where it claimed Hamas was defeated.
Things to Read
(Maybe this should be obvious, but I link to articles and videos I find provocative and significant, not necessarily ones I entirely agree with.)
In the Jewish Currents (subscribe!), Zvi Ben-Dor Benite talks to Avi Shlaim about his familyâs journey from Iraq and what it means to be an Arab Jew.
Like so many people with family in Gaza, the political analyst Khalil Sayegh has endured unthinkable agony since this war began. Heâs seen his father and sister killed. Heâs trying to bring his remaining family members to safety. If you can help, please do.
Last weekâs link to the latest edition of The Ideas Letter, which includes essays on Gaza and its reverberations by Mark Mazower, Chris Ngwodo, and Daniel Levy, didnât work. Hereâs the correct one.
Rick Perlstein on how the current campus protestsâand the repression they elicitâarenât like the protests of the 1960s.
The mother of Hind Rajab talks about students naming a building at Columbia University after her daughter.
Hard to believe this appeared on Fox News.
Hadas Thier in The Nation on whether the encampments threaten Jewish students.
In last weekâs video, while rebutting the claim that todayâs protesters are privileged and narcissistic, I incorrectly suggested that anti-Vietnam protesters were motivated by self-interest because they were trying to avoid the draft. A number of protesters from that era registered their displeasure. Iâm reprinting part of an email from subscriber Merrill Goozner, who rightly takes me to task.
âThe earliest protests led by SDS [Students for a Democratic Society] in 1965 called attention to the horrific slaughter of innocent civilians (pro-Viet Cong, perhaps, but non-combatants nonetheless). Thatâs the direct correlation to todayâs situation in Gaza, which has sparked similar protests. By the most conservative estimates, non-combatants totaled more than a half million of the 1.3 million who died during the war. As someone who came of age during that era and participated in the antiwar movement, I can assure you that moral outrage of what was being done âin our name,â and the betrayal of the nationâs ideals that the war represented, played a much larger role in motivating the eraâs antiwar students than fear of the draft.
Moreover, there was a widespread recognition among antiwar activists that the draft and its student deferment were egregiously unfair, represented by the slogan, âRich Manâs War, Poor Manâs Fight.â The draft resistance movement (I have a close friend who refused to register and went to jail) consistently called attention to this inequity.
I know plenty of people who found a doctor to write up a phony excuse to get out of the draft during that era. This was especially prevalent after the Tet offensive when public opinion turned against the war. But I would argue that even this behavior, for most, was because they believed that participation in the war was immoral and senseless.â
See you on Friday at 11 AM,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
This will come out on Monday, which is Yom HaZikaron in Israel. Itâs Israelâs Memorial Day. Itâs always a very painful day in Israel when Israelis mourn their dead from war. But it will be immensely painful this year because Israelis will be thinking about the people killed on October 7th, and indeed the Israelis who are still held hostage. And I think it will be even worse because it seems increasingly clear to me that this war in Gaza is nowhere near an end, and that tragically Israeli soldiers are going to continue to die in Gaza and be mourned on future Yom HaZikarons. And that this was very predictable.
And I wanna read something from The New York Times from yesterday. They write, âclose-quarters ground combat between Hamas fighters and Israeli troops raged in parts of northern Gaza over the weekend. The fighting fit into a now-familiar scenario. Israeli forces returning to an area where they had defeated Hamas earlier in the war, only to see the group reconstitute in the power vacuum left behind.â This kind of thing will be very familiar to Americans who remember our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and indeed in Vietnam, where Americans were told that the United States had cleared out entire swaths of territory where it defeated the enemy, only to find that the enemy was still there, and the United States needed to return again and again.
So, we were told also that Israel had defeated Hamas everywhere in Gaza except for this little corner in the south, in Rafah, and it just needed to go in there and defeat the last few Hamas units, and then Hamas would be defeated. And we now see that thatâs a lie. And itâs a lie for the same reason it was a lie in Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam because countries with powerful armies like Israel and United States can topple governments, but they cannot defeat insurgencies unless they offer a solution to the underlying fundamental political grievance of the population. And this Israeli government has not even tried to pretend that it is offering a solution to the fundamental grievance of the Palestinian people in Gaza and beyond, which is their lack of freedom. And so, absent that, Israel canât marginalize Hamas. And even if it could somehow miraculously marginalize or even defeat Hamas, it would simply face another resistance force that was just as dangerous.
Of course, what Hamas did on October 7th was horrifying. But Palestinians had been fighting Israel in a whole range of ways, including violence against Israeli civilians, since long before Hamas existed. And so, saying that you are going to make Israel safe by defeating Hamas without dealing with the underlying problem of Palestinian lack of freedom is a little bit like when Israel thought that it could solve its problem in the early 1980s by kicking the PLO out of southern Lebanon. And it did expel the PLO from southern Lebanon, and it laid waste to much of Lebanon, and it laid the foundation for Hezbollah, which is an even more formidable foe. We know that Hamas recruits its fighters from the families of people Israel has killed. Presumably, any other Palestinian resistance group would do the same thing.
And so, now that Israel has killed 40,000 or so Palestinians, forced 90% of Palestinians in Gaza from their homes, the population of people that will be easy recruits for future attacks against Israel is that much greater than it was before. And so, Israel is less safe. And this war, it seems to me, is likely to drag on for a very, very long time, leaving more and more Palestinians devastated in the more Israelis endangered and dead. And whatâs so depressing to me is that this was predictable. Indeed, this was predicted. And the people who predicted it most clearly, not coincidentally, were Palestinians who have been saying from the very beginning that Israelâs fundamental problem is not with Hamas, itâs with the Palestinian people, and that Israel has to offer a solution to that fundamental problem.
And yet, their voices have beenâas so often has been the case in the United Statesâmarginalized in American politics and in American media, certainly marginalized in Israel, where itâs rare to hear Palestinian voices on Israeli TV; where Israelâs own Palestinian citizens who oppose this warâif you look at public opinion, who could have been the wisest counsel for Israeli political leadersâhave been basically terrified into silence because of Israeli repression. And so, this kind of blind fury that youâve had in Israel after October 7thâabetted by the United States, which so resembles the mood in the United States after 9/11âhas marginalized the voices that could have offered the wisest counsel about how to respond.
So, what do we see in the United States? We see that many, many people who supported the Iraq War have very high-profile positions and platforms in discussions about the war in Gaza. But Palestinians who know Gaza and Palestinian politics the best donât have a voice. It reminds me so much of the debate in the United States after September 11th when there were so few people who really knew Iraq and Afghanistan well who were part of that public discussion, who could have warned Americans about the likely impact of those wars on those societies and the inability of America to win those wars.
And to me, it sometimes feels like when I listen to American Jewish and Israeli Jewish discourse, that like Iâm part of this family. And our family is doing immensely destructive things to other people. Of course, weâve been very badly wounded ourselves, but weâre responding by doing these immensely destructive things to other people. But those things are also self-destructive to us as well. And that there are voices that we could listen to that could help perhaps get us out of this downward spiral. In this case, particularly to listen to Palestinians because Palestinians know better than anybody else what it will take to get Palestinians to stop fighting against Israel. And Palestinians have been saying again and again and again that Israeli Jews will not be safe if the Palestinians are not safe. And Palestinians canât be safe unless theyâre free.
And those voices, I believe, could get us out of this terrible downward spiral. And yet, they are systematically excluded from our discourse. And I listen again and again and again to very, very smart people in my community who have public platforms in politics, in media discussing this issue. And I think: these people are very, very smart. Why hasnât it occurred to them to bring in Palestinian voices onto their platforms, and ask Palestinians what they think the solution to Israeli safety is? And because Palestinians are not part of that conversation, I feel like we are in this downward spiral, not only in terms of the horrors that we commit and that Israel commits against Palestinians, but indeed the way that contributes to less and less safety for Israeli Jews.
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan left America in so much worse shape in so many ways. And when you think about what this war in Gaza will mean for Israel, given that Israel is not half a world away from the territories that it is devastating, and in which itâs producing all of these enraged people who want to fight back, but that it actually lives cheek by jowl with those people, it really terrifies me the consequences of this war, and frustrates me a great deal that the voices who might have warned, indeed did warn against this path, were not listened to.
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Our Zoom call this week will be at a Special Time: 1 PM Eastern.
Our guests will be two professorsâ one Palestinian and Jewishâ with deep insights into the protests on their campus: The first is Rashid Khalidi, the Edward Said Professor of Modern Arab Studies at Columbia who gave this blistering speech about the universityâs crackdown on pro-Palestine protesters. The second is David Myers, the Sady and Ludwig Kahn Chair in Jewish History at UCLA, who was present during the attack on UCLAâs encampment, and wrote about his experience.
Paid subscribers will get the link this Monday and the video the following week. Theyâll also gain access to our library of past Zoom interviews with guests like Thomas Friedman, Ilhan Omar, Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, and Bret Stephens.
Sources Cited in this Video
Correction: When comparing Zionist Jewish students on campus to Israelâs position in the Middle East, I mistakenly referred Israel being âpopularâ in its region. I meant to say âunpopular.â
The attacks on Pro-Palestine protesters at UCLA and Columbia.
Edward Saidâs vision for Palestine and Israel: âThere can be no reconciliation unless both peoples, two communities of suffering, resolve that their existence is a secular fact, and that it has to be dealt with as such. This does not mean a diminishing of Jewish life as Jewish life or a surrendering of Palestinian Arab aspirations and political existence. On the contrary, it means self-determination for both peoples.â
Things to Read
(Maybe this should be obvious, but I link to articles and videos I find provocative and significant, not necessarily ones I entirely agree with.)
On the Jewish Currents (subscribe!) podcast, Adam Haber and Matylda Figlerowicz write about the âmoral panicâ fueling repression on campus.
A recent guest, Dr. Musallam Abu Khalil, runs a charity that promotes the health and wellness of people in Gazaâs Nusierat Refugee Camp. Please consider supporting it.
Norman Finkelsteinâs address to the encampment at Columbia.
A Jewish student writes about the protests and antisemitism at Northeastern.
In April, I spoke about Zionism and American Jews at Brown University.
Last week, I spoke about the protests on Slateâs âWhat Nextâ podcast and with Ali Velshi and Nick Kristoff on MSNBC.
Check out Waleed Shahidâs new newsletter.
In the Ideas Letter, Daniel Levy, Mark Mazower, and Chris Ngwodo write about the global implications of the Gaza War.
On May 6 Iâll be moderating a panel entitled, âHow to Report on Liars and Hatersâ at CUNYâs Newmark School of Journalism.
Iâll be speaking on May 8 at Whitman College.
See you on Friday at 1,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
Hi. I wanted to talk about whatâs happening on college campuses, and to make six different observations. And these come from my travels speaking at colleges this semester. Iâve probably spoken at at least a dozen, maybe fifteen, Iâm not sure. And I also spent a lot of time at Columbia, in particular, several days before the encampment was taken down. Now, the colleges Iâve been to, I should say, are not representative. Theyâre more of the kind of elite kind of campuses that have been disproportionately in the news. So, itâs important to say that not everything Iâm saying is gonna hold for all campuses in America. And probably the media should be paying a lot more attention to some of these campuses that donât have such fancy names and to see whatâs actually happening there. So, what Iâm going to say is not necessarily representative of campuses as a whole, but they may be representative of the ones that have been in the news a lot.
The first is that the most important political dynamic is not happening among either Jewish or Palestinian students. Itâs happening among non-Jewish progressive and non-Palestinian progressive students, and most of these students are progressive. And whatâs happening is that for a lot of these students, the question of Palestinian liberation has become a central part of their political identity when it wasnât before. It wasnât that they were hostile to Palestinian freedom. If they thought about it, they probably would have been sympathetic, but it wasnât one of their top burning issues. Now itâs become a central part of their political identity.
One way of thinking about this is that a large number of the progressive students on these campuses have moved from being non-Zionists to being anti-Zionists. They werenât supporters of Israel before, but they werenât involved in activism against Israel either, and now they are. And the reason this matters so much is that these campuses donât have many conservative students, right? They donât have, for instance, a lot of conservative Christian white evangelical students. So, the dynamics on the campus are very different than the dynamics in the country as a whole. In the country as a whole, most Zionists in America are not Jewish. You have huge numbers of Christian Zionists out there in Congress, out there in the country, in the Republican Party. But in these campuses, once the progressive students turn to being anti-Zionists, pretty much the only Zionist people around are the Jewish students. Yes, they could be joined by the college Republicans. But there are not many college Republicans. And I think this is what creates this dynamic of ideological isolation among the Zionist Jewish students, as they see the large bulk of their classmates who are not Palestinian but have turned towards a pro-Palestine politics.
Itâs not that the Zionist Jewish students donât have allies. They have powerful allies. But the allies are not on campus. Their allies are the politicians in Congress, the national Jewish organizations, to some degree you could even say big elements of the mainstream media, the donors. But those forces are very unpopular on the campus itself. And so, in some ways their de facto alliance with those off-campus powers also contributes, I think, to their social isolation. In some ways, the position of the Jewish Zionist students is a little bit like the situation that Israel used to be in the Middle East, where it was very unpopular in its local region, but had very powerful allies externally in the West. And thatâs the kind of situation that I think Zionist Jewish students find themselves in, which is very uncomfortable.
The second point I want to make is that the media sometimes depicts these students who are protesting as these kinds of coddled, privileged students, and compares them to the coddled, privileged students who tried to get out of the draft during Vietnam. I think that really gets a lot wrong. In my experience, the students who are most likely to be involved in the pro-Palestine activism are among the least privileged students on campus. They are disproportionately students of color, and many of them are from immigrant families, and a significant number of them are actually foreign students. And these are students who, again, because theyâre people of color, are disproportionately more likely to identify with the Palestinian cause because they see things in their own family histories that they connect to the Palestinian struggle and the lack of Palestinian freedom. But these are not particularly privileged students. In fact, theyâre often very vulnerable students, some of the most vulnerable students on campus. I was talking at Columbia to a young womanâa foreign studentâwho was saying that her parents were desperately asking her not to be involved in the protest because if you are a foreign student, and you get arrested, you can be deported. And she told me that she told her parents, Iâm sorry Iâm gonna take that risk because Iâm following in your footsteps, and you were doing this kind of activism back in South Asia.
This is very different than the anti-Vietnam war protest. The campuses were much more white and male. And remember, one of the big reasons for the protests were the studentsâ fear of getting drafted and having to fight. So, their activism was a form of material self-interest: we want to end the war so we wonât get drafted. The war continuing was a threat to them. In this case, itâs quite the reverse. Itâs actually the war itself doesnât create a material threat to these students, but they are taking actions anywayâyou could in some ways say against their material self-interest, putting themselves at some degree of risk because of their ideological connection to the Palestinian cause. I also think this is one reason you may not see as much backlash as you did during the Vietnam War. Remember, during the Vietnam War, the policemen who were arresting these students were from working-class families, and they had brothers who were fighting in Vietnam, which gave them a particular antipathy to these white male, more privileged college students who were avoiding the draft. You donât have that dynamic here, which I think may explain why thereâs less of a political backlash against this protest.
Thirdly, in terms of whatâs happening with the Jewish students, mainstream American Jewish organizations donât want to acknowledge this, and even the media doesnât often acknowledge it, but there is on a lot of these campuses a kind of intra-Jewish ideological civil war. A very, very large percentage of the majority of Jews around the world are Zionists, support a Jewish state. And even in the United States as a whole, probably 80% of American Jews support the Jewish state. But thereâs of such a sharp generational divide that when you look at young people, especially on these progressive campuses, itâs not 80% that would consider themselves Zionist. It may be more like 60%, or 65%, maybe 70. But, certainly, a lower percentage. So, you have a minority of Jews who were anti-Zionist or questioning Zionism. Itâs a minority, but itâs a significant minority. Itâs not a tiny minority. I was told at two campuses that while a majority of the people in the protest movement are people of colorâand of course there are Jews of color as wellâthat the majority of the white people in the protest movement were themselves Jews. And so, itâs interesting to think about how this intra-Jewish ideological civil war thatâs going to define this debate of American Jews, I think, for the next half century, how it plays that out. Who are the Jews who are more likely to be anti-Zionists? The young Jews. And who are the ones who are most likely to be Zionists?
The Zionist Jewish students, I think, in my mind, come in three buckets. The first is theyâre much more likely to be Orthodox because the Orthodox community is much more pro-Israel and itâs also mostly voting Republican now. So, those students are very likely to be disproportionately in the pro-Israel camp. The second group are Jewish students whose parents were not born in the United States. Itâs not surprising to me that two of the activists who are becoming more prominent, for instance, at Columbia and Yale are both the children of Persian Jewish immigrants. Jewish kids whose parents are Russian or Brazilian or PersianâI met a couple of Brazilian very Zionist Jewish studentsâthese are more Zionist communities, and these are families that have more of a sense of the fragility of diaspora Jewish life than an American Jewish family thatâs been in America for a hundred years. And so, those students are also likely to be disproportionately pro-Israel and even pro-Israel activists.
The third bulk is Jewish students who are in fraternities and sororities. Now, that might seem a little strange. But I think one of the things about politics in this younger generation is that gender identity plays a very important role thatâs different than in older generations. Remember, the percentage of kids on these campuses who identify themselves as LGBTQ could be double the percentage that you see in older generations. And so, the kids who are in fraternities and sororities are often the ones who most identify with traditional gender roles, whereas the students who are LGBTQ are much more likely to be found in all manner of leftist movements, including the pro-Palestine movements. And that plays out among Jews as well, which is why I think you tend to find a more pro-Israel sentiment in these Jewish fraternities and sororities.
So, this is a real struggle between Jewish students. And I think one of the first things that frustrates me a lot is that thereâs this language often about keep keeping Jewish students safe. And, in the name of keeping Jewish students safe, you know, the ADL and others call for, you know, suspending pro-Palestine groups, or shutting down encampments, or whatever. But very frequently among the people that they want to penalize are Jewish students itself. So, theyâre not really looking out for the safety of all Jewish students. Theyâre really looking out for the safety of Zionist students. And they donât really care very much about the safety of the anti-Zionist students because theyâre often the ones who get suspended, and arrested, and have their groups shut down.
Connected to that is that the language of safety is applied so radically differently when it comes to Zionist Jewish students and when it comes to Palestinian or Arab or Muslim students. So, first of all, in terms of the kind of the idea that you were made uncomfortable or threatened by speech, weâre always being told to imagine what it feels like for a Jewish student to hear a phrase like âPalestine will be free from the river to the sea,â which they may interpret as saying the Jews need to leave. And it could be that thatâs meant that way. And again, itâs open to interpretation. Or that they may be threatened by the phrase âglobalize the intifada,â which they could interpret as a call for an attack or violence even against them.
But weâre rarely asked to imagine what itâs like for a Palestinian student, for instance, to hear a phrase like, âIsrael has the right to defend itself,â âI stand with the IDF,â right? If you are a Palestinian student who has had family killed in Gaza, and you hear an endorsement of that war, that could be at least as threatening a kind of language to you as the phrase âPalestine will be from the river to seaâ is for a Jewish student. And yet, I find so rarely we are asked to put ourselves in the place of those Palestinians students. To be clear, I think all of that speech should be permitted. But if weâre going to talk about the way that the words can harm people, or make people uncomfortable, we should try to be even handed about it. And when we talk about actual violence, which of course should never be allowed on a college campus, whatâs odd to me about that is that it seems to me that the clearest acts of violence, most egregious acts of violence that weâre seeing are mostly coming against Palestinian and pro-Palestinian students. For instance, there was this attack on the pro-Palestine encampment at UCLA by people who seem to come from the local Jewish community. And there was this skunk water attack by Jewish students at Columbia on these pro-Palestine students, which sent some of them to the hospital.
Now, just imagine for a moment what the media coverage would have been like if you would have had people from a local Arab, Palestinian, or Muslim community who would have come on campus and physically attacked a group of Zionist Jewish students. Or if you had a Palestinian or Arab or Muslim student who would use skunk water and sent a whole bunch of Zionists Jewish students to the hospital. I think those cases would be much, much bigger news than they are now. And I think the reason theyâre not has to do with the way in which we take violence more seriously when it comes against Jewish students than we do when it comes against Palestinian or pro-Palestinian students. And we kind of tend to often filter out the kind of even physical threats that pro-Palestinian or Palestinian students face. Again, this of course is not to suggest that violence should be tolerated against anybody, or harassment. Of course not. But the point is, again, we should try, it seems to me, to have a high bar for the physical safety of all students, and often times I feel like thatâs lacking.
The fourth point I wanted to make is that I think there is a struggle in these universities between the liberal arts parts of the universities, the kind of college, and some of the professional schools. If you look at the letters that were signed, the kind of pro-Palestine and pro-Israel letters signed by faculty, what you notice is the pro-Palestine letters are overwhelmingly coming from people in the undergraduate departments, especially the humanities departments. And the people who are signing the pro-Israel letters are much more likely to come from professional schools: medical school, business school, in particular, along with some scientists. And I think thatâs because the ideological climate in the professional schools can be quite different than it is in the liberal arts colleges. This is one of the reasons that the most, I think, left-wing universities on the question of Israel-Palestine tend to be liberal arts colleges that have no graduate schools. Also, because those schools tend to have almost no Orthodox Jewish students because Orthodox students donât really go to liberal arts colleges because thereâs not enough of an infrastructure for the religious needs that they have.
But the most combustible campusesâI think, Columbia, Penn, UCLAâthey have a particular thing in common. Which is they have a left-leaning undergrad, kind of liberal arts campus culture, plus powerful professional schools, and a significant number of Orthodox Jewish students who tend to lean very pro-Israel. And you see a kind of clash between the undergraduate part, which leans to the left, and the business schools in particular, which tend to be the only parts of campus that are really right-leaning in the sense that theyâre very pro-capitalist. So, at Penn, I think itâs not a coincidence that Marc Rowan, who was the key figure in helping to push out Pennâs president, was the chair of the board of Wharton, of the business school; that the most high-profile pro-Israel professor at Columbia right now, Shai Davidai, is a professor at Columbia Business School; that you have a kind of cultural clash, ideological clash between different aspects of the universities that have very different kinds of faculty.
The last point I wanted to make has to do with a particular kind of discourse that Iâve heard among the protesters. And I was at Columbia for many, many, many hours. And I had this kind of really disorienting experience. And the experience was I had a long conversation with a Jewish student, very impressive Jewish student who had been involved in the encampment, and really talked about how wonderful it was, and how completely embraced he felt. And also, on our last weekâs call, I had one of the people we interviewed was Ilan Cohen, whoâs another Jewish student at Columbia, also very involved in the encampments, also felt completely fully embraced. The Columbia encampment had a seder, as people may know, it had Shabbat services. So, these Jewish students who were intimately involved in it felt no antisemitism whatsoever, quite the opposite.
And yet, after the conversation I had with this Jewish student, I saw the students from the encampment, some of them, come to the gates of Columbia and Amsterdam. So, these were the students in the encampment. These were not outside people. And they started doing a series of chants. Many, many chants. But one of those chants was, âsettlers, settlers go home, Palestine is ours alone.â And if you understand the context of these chants, the many, many chants, itâs clear this is not a reference to West Bank settlers. This is a reference to settlers as just Israeli Jews, as settlers in general. And I was really struggling to understand how I could have both heard from the Jewish students that they felt so at home there, and then hearing a chant, which seemed to me, you know, to basically be calling for Israeli Jews to leave. I mean, whatâs amazing about that is itâs actually more radical than what Hamas has said. And if you look at Hamasâ 2017 charter, itâs most recent charter, Hamas does not say in that charter the Israeli Jews need to leave, right? So, these students are actually taking a position which is more radical even than the ideological position of the current Hamas charter. And yet, these Jewish students were saying they didnât feel any antisemitism.
And so, I guess my way of trying to understand this is that I think antisemitism in some ways isnât the right word to understand whatâs going on. I genuinely think that these protest movements are totally willing to embrace Jews who embrace the anti-Zionist cause. But alongside that, I think there is a kind of dehumanizing language when it comes to Israeli Jews, a kind of Manichean worldview that basically sees the world as oppressors and oppressed, and sees Israeli Jewsâall of themâas the oppressors, as colonists, and therefore just doesnât have any space for their humanity, for their dignity, for their lives. And you also see this in the real difficulty that these student protesters so often have in condemning what happened on October 7th. There are, by the way, very honorable exceptions. Northeastern, for instance. Their protest move did make a clear statement about the opposition to targeting civilians. But I think many others in these activist movements have not.
And so, what was so saddening to me about this was that this was happening on the campus of Edward Said. And now the campus of Rashid Khalidi. These are some of the most important Palestinian intellectuals that have existed in the United States. And that rhetoric about âIsraeli Jews go home, Palestine is ours alone,â is so far from Saidâs vision, and so far from Khalidiâs vision, which really were about mutual liberation, about full equality and coexistence. Said was strongly anti-Zionist, of course. And yet, he always had a kind of generosity of spirit towards the idea that this should be a place that Israeli Jews could continue to live, again, not under a Jewish supremacy but under conditions of equality. And I so wish that I heard more of that spirit from at least the protesters that I was listening to at Columbia.
Again, Iâm not saying this because I want those students, their speech to be suppressed or want them to be arrested. Not at all. And indeed, as I said in last weekâs video, I think that there are really, really important things that are coming out of this protest movement. They are putting debates on the table about university complicity with the oppression of Palestinians that are really, really important. All next fall, weâre going to start having debates over divestment because some of these universities have been forced to have these debates in their boards of trustees. Thatâs a tremendous accomplishment by this movement. And yet, I just wish it were not paired with a discourse that, whether you call it antisemitic or not, seems to me just not to hold a lot of space in its heart for the humanity of Israeli Jewsâregardless of the system of oppression that they benefit from, and I consider it a system of profound oppressionâare still human beings who seem to me whose lives should be cared about, and should be invited and welcomed to live in this place in equality and safety alongside Palestinians.
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Our guests will be two Columbia University undergraduates with differing views on the protests at their campus: Ilan Cohen, a senior who attends Columbia and the Jewish Theological Seminary, and Gabi Frants, a senior who attends Barnard College. Theyâll talk about the student movement that has swept Columbia, and the nation.
Paid subscribers will get the link this Tuesday night and the video the following week. Theyâll also gain access to our library of past Zoom interviews with guests like Rashid Khalidi, Thomas Friedman, Ilhan Omar, Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, and Bret Stephens.
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In todayâs video, I accidentally said Gaza has been under blockade since 2017. Itâs 2007.
Scenes from the campus protests that give me hope.
Things to Read
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On the Jewish Currents (subscribe!) podcast, Arielle Angel interviews Jewish student organizers at the Columbia Palestine solidarity encampment.
Last weekâs guest, Dr. Musallam Abu Khalil, runs a charity that promotes the health and wellness of people in Gazaâs Nusierat Refugee Camp. Please consider supporting it.
What itâs like to be a Jewish Pro-Palestine organizer at Columbia.
Amira Hass on how people in Gaza feel about Hamas.
Ahmad Moor on why he canât vote for Joe Biden.
For the Foundation for Middle East Peaceâs Occupied Thoughts Podcast, I spoke to Seth Binder about what it means to condition US aid to Israel.
Iâll be speaking on May 8 at Whitman College.
See you on Friday at Noon,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
Weâre witnessing something that Iâm not sure I ever thought we would witness, which is that the struggle for Palestinian liberation has really captured the minds of kind of a whole generation of young Americansâand very quicklyâand is convulsing Americaâs universities in a way that no foreign policy issue has in at least a generation. And Iâm very keenly aware that, for many American Jews, including many American Jewish college students, this provokes tremendous fear. And I donât want to belittle or minimize that. I have some understanding myself of where this fear comes from. I feel it even myself. We are a people that, I think, in our marrow as Jews, we have the sense that history can turn very quickly. And this is the really the story of many of our holidays, but also of our secular history that things can seem settled, and safe, and Jews can be okay, and even have some degree of influence. And then, quite quickly, things can turn, and we can become the scapegoats, that people can turn on us often in a kind of popular upsurge of something.
And so, seen through that lens, I can understand why this moment can provoke great fear in a lot of people. Because the truth is that the organized American Jewish community has for many decades now wielded a lot of influence over the terms of debate on Israel, been able to circumscribe those debatesâcircumscribe those debates in ways that I have been criticizing for much of my adult life. But still, for many American Jews, and even myself at certain moments, I must admit creates a sense of security, of safety, that we have a certain influence, even a certain kind of control that things are not getting out of hand, that we understand the terms of these debates. And now something thatâs changing, something really radically new is being born in progressive circles, and I think increasingly inside the Democratic party, in which those debates will not be, you know, circumscribed by the American Jewish establishment in the way that they were.
And I also understand that people see in this movement things that frightened them, things that seem hostile and hateful, and indeed are hostile and hateful. But itâs worth remembering that all great social movements, all large social movements, attract different kinds of people and different kinds of voices. And so, you could have seen in the anti-war movement, people carrying North Vietnamese flags, people who were chanting for the victory of the North Vietnamese over American soldiers and a Marxist triumph. You could have seen people in the anti-apartheid movement chanting âone settler, one bullet,â kind of a violent dehumanizing vision of how apartheid South Africa should should end.
There is a tendency in some parts of the media, and certainly online, to amplify and focus on the most hateful, disturbing things that you see from this movement. And I think that those things must be condemned. They must be criticized. And Iâm not suggesting, not for a moment, that this movement or any movement should be worshiped, that people should abandon their critical faculties. Not at all. I donât like this discourse that you sometimes hear on the left that to be an ally of a group means that you have to salute at whatever is done in its name. Itâs important to always maintain the right to criticize any group of people, including a movement that speaks in the name of Palestinian freedom.
And so, yes, I donât like it when I hear people say something like âall resistance is legitimateâ in the wake of the horrifying attack of October 7th. That seems to me to blur a critically important distinction between resistance to oppression that follows international law, and that recognizes that it is wrong to take civilian life, and what we saw on October 7th. So yes, criticize that. Criticize slogans like âPalestine will be free from the river to the sea,â which donât acknowledge a place for Israeli Jews in that vision. Because I donât think itâs realistic to imagine that there will be a country called Palestine, in which all people will be Palestinians. This is a bi-national country. A country of two collectives, both of whomâs identity need to be recognized in a political system that provides complete equality and indeed historical justice and freedom. So, yes, Jews should feel they have every right, every right to criticize things that they find are disturbing or that dehumanize us.
And yet, for all of that, I think this movement is a tremendous opportunity, a tremendous opportunity. And for the Jewish community to ally itself with the Elise Stephaniks and Mike Johnsons and Donald Trumps, who want to crush this movement because they want to crush Americaâs universities, because they fear universities as places that produce critical thinking, and as places that can be a challenge to white Christian supremacist authoritarianism, it would be a terrible, terrible mistake to join forces with those people as they try to crush freedom of speech and freedom of expression. This movement holds the possibility in a way that no movement in America has in my entire lifetime to end American institutional complicity with the oppression of the Palestinian people.
Itâs important not to get distracted by one particular video you might see and to focus attention on the core demands of this movement. And so, much of the journalism that I see, frankly, frustrates me because it doesnât actually take seriously the core demands of this movement, and instead wants to focus on one particular slogan, or one particular speech, or one particular video. Whatâs important about the anti-war movement in Vietnam was that it wanted to end the war. What was important about the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa was that wanted to end American complicity, complicity in South Africa. That was the core of the movement. The core of this movement is the demand to end university and American governmental complicity with Israelâs system of oppression, which is now culminated in this horrifying slaughter of people in Gaza.
This complicity must end. It must end because, among other things, it puts Jews in danger. We must see the lie that you can construct a system of Jewish safety on the destruction and brutalization of another people. We should recognize that October the 7th is just a taste of the horrors that will come to everybody if this system of oppression is deepened and entrenched. Because a system of violence breeds violence. That does not excuse Hamas from its moral responsibility for the horrors of October 7th, not for a second. Thatâs why I said itâs critical that we promote the idea, that we argue for a movement that makes the distinction between ethical and unethical resistance.
But the truth is that systems of violence ultimately endanger everybody. And this system of group oppression, a system that has held millions of Palestinians in the West Bank without the most basic of human rights for more than a half century, without the right to vote, without the right to be a citizen of the country in which you live, without free movement, which has held Palestinians since 2017 under a suffocating blockade that Human Rights Watch calls an open air prison, and the UN says is unlivable. And organized American Jewish organizations want to pretend that those things are untrue. But if the UN or Human Rights Watch said them about any other place in the world, they would recognize they are true. Itâs only because we donât want to face these things, and we want to believe that our safety can be bought at the expense of Palestinians. And that is a lie in the long term. This system endangers everybody between the river and the sea, and perhaps all of us whose fates are bound up with what happens there.
And thatâs why the core demands of this movement seem to me to be just and create the possibility for a future in which Israeli Jews are truly safe because the only way they can be truly safe is if Palestinians are truly safe. And the only way that Palestinians can be truly safe is if Palestinians are free. And so, I would really urge people who find this movement frightening to not only look at those frightening videos, but to watch the videos that we saw from Columbia of students at that encampment: Muslims praying, and Jews praying; of Jews holding Kabbalat Shabbat and Passover Seders, being protected alongside people of every different background and race and religion. And see this as a vision of hope, the vision of hope that we desperately, desperately need.
Because this is what cannot exist right now in Israel-Palestine: true equality between Jews and Palestinians and of people of all different backgrounds living in equality, and supporting each other, and taking care of one another, and honoring one another. It canât exist because of the system of oppression. And so, when we see this movement and whatâs happening, it offers, it seems to me, the kernel of us being able to imagine a different future: a future of mutual respect, and mutual equality, and mutual safety, and mutual liberation. And we desperately, perhaps above all else in this moment of harm, we need that sense of hope.
So, thatâs why I think this movement should not be worshiped. It should be criticized when it deserves criticism. Jews have the right to speak up for ourselves if we see anything that we genuinely believe is hateful towards Jews per se. But we should also recognize that, like nothing we have seen before in my lifetime, that this movement holds the possibility for ending Israeli impunity, and potentially, thereforeâpotentiallyâcreating a different kind of conversation in Israel about what keeps Jews safe. The recognition that white South Africans came to finally: that only equality truly keeps people safe. And that that could be, from this movement, could come not just Palestinian liberation, but Jewish liberation as well.
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Our Zoom call this week will be at a special time: Thursday at Noon EDT.
Our guest will be Musallam Abu Khalil, a doctor in Gaza. Musallam works for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) running a primary care clinic in a makeshift school shelter in the Nusierat refugee camp in central Gaza, which houses thousands of internally displaced people. In his personal time, he runs the Dignity for Palestinians Campaign, which aims to preserve the dignity of Palestinians in Gaza through an emergency health and wellness assistance program. He will be speaking in his personal capacity and not as an UNRWA representative.
Paid subscribers will get the link this Monday and the video the following week. Theyâll also gain access to our library of past Zoom interviews with guests like Rashid Khalidi, Thomas Friedman, Ilhan Omar, Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, and Bret Stephens.
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A complete video of last Wednesdayâs congressional hearings featuring Columbia University officials.
The number of children in Gaza injured or killed.
Genesis 16 and Genesis 21, which discuss the story of Hagar.
Rabbinic teachings about Hagar and Ishmael.
Rabbi Shai Heldâs book, Judaism is About Love.
A statue of Hagar and Ishmael in Nazareth. As James Zogby notes, âHer skirtâs a tent, representing the refugees. Sheâs facing north to Lebanon,â to which many Palestinians were expelled in 1948.
In Genesis, Hagar and Ishmael are expelled into the desert of Beer Sheva. Today, the only school in Beer Sheva that teaches both Jewish and Palestinian children in both Arabic and Hebrew bears Hagarâs name.
If youâre looking for Haggadah supplements that speak to this moment, consider these.
Things to Read
(Maybe this should be obvious, but I link to articles and videos I find provocative and significant, not necessarily ones I entirely agree with.)
In the Jewish Currents (subscribe!), Maya Rosen writes about the challenge of Palestinian and Jewish co-resistance in Gaza.
Every few days, I get a Go Fund Me request from a relative of someone trapped in Gaza. Although the analogy is inexact, I always think the same thing: What if this was my family in Europe in the 1930s or 1940s? So I give, although I know itâs never enough. Here are several requests I hope youâll consider. Abir Elzowidi is trying to evacuate the family of her brother, Tamer, whose entire building and neighborhood were destroyed by Israeli bombs. (Hereâs a video she made describing his plight.) Khalil Sayegh is trying to evacuate his family, including his brother Fadi, âwho has chronic kidney failure, has been struggling for his life since the war started due to his need for weekly dialysis at the local hospital.â Inessa Elaydi is trying to evacuate her family from an overcrowded refugee camp in Khan Younis. Dima (she doesnât include her last name) is trying to leave Gaza with her family for Canada. Asem Jerjawi is a promising young writer, currently living in a tent after Israeli forces shelled his familyâs home. Heâs also hoping to leave Gaza. Please help if you can.
A conversation between two remarkable men, Maoz Inon and Abu Aziz Sarah.
Chaim Levinson in Haaretz on why Israel has lost the Gaza War.
Students celebrate Kabbalat Shabbat at the Columbia Free Palestine encampment.
Is Columbia University cursed by God?
I spoke last week to Khalil Sayegh about Gazaâs present and future for the Foundation for Middle East Peaceâs Occupied Thoughts Podcast.
Iâll be speaking on April 26 at Georgetown University and May 8 at Whitman College.
See you on Thursday at Noon,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
Hi. I watched a good chunk of last weekâs hearings with the president of Columbia, and the heads of the Board of Trustees, and one of the people leading their antisemitism commission in front of Congress. And there was one moment in particular that stuck out to me. A congressman named Congressman Banks got a hold of some kind of pamphlet that had been put out I think by students of the School the Social Work, which referenced the term, Ashkenormativity.
Ashkenormativity, I guess, is the idea that you kind of make Ashkenazi Judaism normative, and you kind of, you know, donât pay attention to the fact that many Jews are not Ashkenazi and not from European heritage. Whatever. So, this Congressman was very upset that the term Askanormativity had showed up in some document that was given out to Columbia students and went around and asked the people on the panel what they thought. And one of the heads of the Board of Trustees said the phrase Ashkenormativity was âshockingly offensive.â
Now, I donât really see whatâs shockingly offensive about a term which tries to suggest that people tend to kind of assume that the culture of Ashkenazi Jews is the culture of all Jews. But what bothered meâand deeply, deeply depressed meâwas this discourse of the use of a phrase, Askanormativity, in some pamphlet at Columbia University as being shockingly offensive when in this entire hearingâat least the long stretches that I watchedâthere was not a single reference to Palestinians being killed in Gaza that I heard. Not a single reference. You could watch that and literally not know that a single child in Gaza had died. Shockingly offensive? The term Askanormativity in a pamphlet is shockingly offensive? What about the fact that 26,000 children in Gaza, 2% of the children in Gaza, have either been killed or injured; that 1,000 children in Gaza have had one or both of their legs amputated; that all of the universities have been partially or entirely destroyed; that 30 of the 36 hospitals have been destroyed?
What pervaded that conversation about antisemitism was the assumption that Palestinian lives donât matter at all, that Palestinian lives are worthless. And thatâs what to me defiled the conversation. Of course, I care passionately about antisemitism. I care about antisemitism on campus. My kids will soon be Jewish students on campus. I recognize that antisemitism is rising on campus. I do not want a single Jewish student to have an experience in which theyâre made to feel unwelcome, even if they have views that would be ones that I profoundly disagree with.
And yet, to me, when you have a conversation about antisemitism that treats Palestinian lives as worthless, Palestinian lives on those campusesâbecause thereâs also no discussion that I heard whatsoever from the people of Columbia who were testifying about whatâs happening to Palestinian students on campus. This is in a situation where weâve had Palestinians killed and shot and doxxed since October 7th. That their lives are worthless and the lives of people in Gaza are worthless. And so, I feel like listening to one member after another basically talk about how they decry antisemitism, and they hate antisemitism, and what a huge problem is, and then even finding these kinds of absurd examples of what they claim is antisemitism, to me, I felt listening to it like I was revolted.
Again, not because I donât care deeply about antisemitism, but because I hate a discourse of antisemitism, which makes it seem like our lives matter and Palestinian lives donât matter. Thatâs not the fight against antisemitism that I want to be part of. And itâs also not a fight against antisemitism that I think will be effective because itâs essentially a discourse led by Republicans who want to enlist Jews in a project of white Christian supremacism in the United States. Which treats Palestinian lives and the other lives of other kinds of people of color as worthless and invites American Jews to see our safety as part of that effort.
And I donât trust them for one second as having our welfare at heart. I think that theyâre using American Jews as part of their project of trying to establish, or re-establish, certain kinds of hierarchies in the United States about which lives matter and which lives donât. And theyâre inviting us to be on the dominant side, on the powerful side, a Judeo-Christian nation, i.e., not a Muslim nation, right? And I think we should reject it partly out of solidarity with the people who those Republican members of Congress donât care about, and also because I donât think that an ethno-nationalist project is ultimately safe for us. After all, those Republican members of Congress who talked about how upset they are about the antisemitism of Columbia, they are the same people who are gonna enthusiastically vote for Donald Trump, who hangs out with white nationalists all the time.
And weâre heading into Pesach and to Passover, and listening to this discourse in which Jews matter, and in which Jewish suffering matters, and in which bigotry against Jews matters, but bigotry against Palestinians and Palestinian sufferingâeven the overwhelming Palestinian suffering that weâve seenâdoesnât matter, that itâs not important, itâs not even worth mentioning, made me think about how we could possibly have our seder in this moment. I think we have to fight against a discourse that exists in the United States and a discourse that exists in very many aspects of American Jewish establishment discourse, which treats Jewish victimhood as important, Jewish suffering is important, and Palestinian suffering as irrelevant or even something that Palestinians deserve. And the Passover Seder can, of course, be read in ways that play into that discourse, that itâs just a story about our victimhood, our bondage, and our liberation at G-dâs hands.
And yet, I think there are other ways to read the seder as well, to read the Passover story, which are more important than ever this year. And one of the things that I think we might think about doing is thinking during the seder about the story of Hagar. One of the points that Shai Held makes in his wonderful new book, Judaism is About Loveâand I have to say Shai, who is someone I have known for a long time, is not someone who shares my view on Israel-Palestine at all. I donât want to suggest that he does. But the book has many, many wonderful elements in it. And one of the points that he makes in the book is about the parallelism between the way that the oppression of the Israelites in Egypt is described, the language thatâs used to describe the very word for oppression, âvateâanneha,â and that itâs the same word used to describe the oppression of Hagar, the slave woman in the house of our patriarch and matriarch, Abraham and Sarah.
Hagar. The word means, âthe stranger.â The same word that is used for the Israelites in Egypt. Hagar, described in Genesis Rabbah by Shimon Ben Yochai as Pharaohâs daughter; Hagar, cast out by Abraham and Sarah, who wanders in the desert without water just as the Israelites wander in the desert after they flee Egypt without water. And, and it seems to me, this parallelism cannot be entirely accidental. It is there to teach us something: that all these similarities between our bondage in Egypt by Pharaoh and our traditions imagining that our matriarch and patriarch themselves had an Egyptian slave, Pharaohâs daughter, in their house and oppressed herâthe same word for oppression that is used for our oppression; that we wander in the desert without water, that she wanders in the desert without water. And that G-d hears our cries in Egypt, and then again also in the wilderness, in the desert, and in bamidbar. And G-d hears her cries when she calls out. And the angel names her son Ishmael. G-d hears him. And Hagar herself gives G-d a name, and she names G-d, the G-d of Seeing.
So, perhaps one thing we might remember this Pesach, this Passover, as we hold our seders, is that we believe in a G-d who hears all people, a G-d who sees all people, who sees the cries and the pain of all people, and we do not believe that it is only Jewish pain that itâs only Jewish suffering, that itâs only Jewish oppression, that matters. There is a voice in our tradition, a very, very powerful voice, which says that G-d hears, that G-d sees the oppression of all people. And for goodnessâ sake, in this moment, nowhere more than the suffering of the people in Gaza. And so, those members of Congress, those right-wing Republican members of Congress, they may not hear, they may not see the suffering in Gaza. And those leaders at Columbia who are just prostrating themselves to say whatever these members of Congress wanted, they may not hear, they may not see the suffering of people in Gaza. But G-d, our G-d, sees, and hears, and that seems to me something for us to say this Pesach.
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Our Zoom call this week will be at a special time: Friday at 11 AM EDT.
Our guest will be Vali Nasr, Majid Khadduri Professor of Middle East Studies and International Affairs at Johns Hopkinsâ School of Advanced International Studies, author of The Shia Revival, former official in the Obama administration and one of Americaâs leading experts on Iranian foreign policy. Weâll talk about the dangers of a full-scale war between Israel and Iran and what the Biden administration can do to avoid it.
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Mouin Rabbani: âWe are where we are because it never occurred to Biden to say âdon'tâ to Israel.â
How Israel grew more reckless in its attacks on Iran after October 7.
The UN Secretary General condemns Israelâs April 1 strike on Iranâs embassy complex in Damascus as a violation of international law.
The US, Britain, and France prevent a UN Security Council condemnation of Israelâs April 1 attack.
Israelâs April 1 attack employed US-made F-35s.
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin complained that Israel had not warned the US of its April 1 attack, which put US troops at greater risk.
The Director of National Intelligence warns that Israelâs response to October 7 increases the risk of terrorism against the US.
Iranâs cautious behavior after October 7.
Things to Read
(Maybe this should be obvious, but I link to articles and videos I find provocative and significant, not necessarily ones I entirely agree with.)
For the Jewish Currents (subscribe!) Podcast, I spoke with Arielle Angel, Mari Cohen, and Daniel May about antisemitism on campus.
Every few days, I get a Go Fund Me request from a relative of someone trapped in Gaza. Although the analogy is inexact, I always think the same thing: What if this was my family in Europe in the 1930s or 1940s? So I give, although I know itâs never enough. Here are several requests I hope youâll consider. Abir Elzowidi is trying to evacuate the family of her brother, Tamer, whose entire building and neighborhood were destroyed by Israeli bombs. (Hereâs a video she made describing his plight.) Khalil Sayegh is trying to evacuate his family, including his brother Fadi, âwho has chronic kidney failure, has been struggling for his life since the war started due to his need for weekly dialysis at the local hospital.â Inessa Elaydi is trying to evacuate her family from an overcrowded refugee camp in Khan Younis. Dima (she doesnât include her last name) is trying to leave Gaza with her family for Canada. Asem Jerjawi is a promising young writer, currently living in a tent after Israeli forces shelled his familyâs home. Heâs also hoping to leave Gaza. Please help if you can.
Israelâs artificial intelligence war on Gaza.
Sigal Samuel on solidarity between Palestinians and Mizrachi Jews.
Goran Rosenberg on Israel at Roadâs End.
Joe Scarborough versus Israelâs Minister of Economy and Industry.
A small act of kindness amidst the horror in Israel-Palestine.
I spoke last week about liberalism and Zionism at Washington DCâs Sixth and I Synagogue with Rabbi Jill Jacobs and Michael Koplow.
Iâll be speaking on April 16 at Sarah Lawrence, April 17 at Brown, April 18 at MIT, April 19 at Tufts, and April 26 at Georgetown.
See you on Friday at 11 AM,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
Hi. Iâm recording this on middle of the day Sunday in the US after Iran launched a large number of drones and rockets against Israel, which seemed to have been almost entirely shot down. And I think when one looks at this situation weâre inâthe possibility of an Iran-Israel war, not a proxy war, but actually a real direct warâwe can see the Biden administration having done some really valuable things in the last 24-48 hours. But I think we can also see that the decisions they made over the past six months actually put them in this very difficult situation that theyâre now trying to get out of.
So, I give the Biden administration credit for helping to shoot down this large-scale Iranian attack. Thank goodness very, very few Israelis were killed. No one would want that, least of all me. And also, in addition to the importance of just saving Israeli life by shooting down these rockets, it also makes it easier for Israel not to respond. And the reports that the Biden administration has been pushing Israel not to respond, to say basically you got away with this very audacious attack in Damascus on the Iranian embassy. Now youâve basically gotten away fairly unscathed because you shot down these Iranian rockets. Letâs leave it there. Youâre lucky the way itâs turned out. So, I give the administration credit for that. There are lunatics like John Bolton, and evenâIâll say itâlunatics like Pennsylvania Senator John Fetterman whoâve basically been going around saying that the United States should support some Israeli response now in retaliation to the Iranian one. The Biden administration deserves credit for not taking that view.
But if you want to understand how we got to this very dangerous place in the first place, then I think the Biden administration deserves some real criticism. Mouin Rabbani wrote yesterday, âwe are where we are because it never occurred to Biden to say âdonâtâ to Israel.â And thatâs exactly right. Thatâs true for Iran as itâs true for Gaza. And to understand why itâs important to kind of rehearse the history of events here. Israel has been for quite a long time attacking military supplies that come from Iran through Syria into Lebanon to Hezbollah because they donât want Hezbollah to have a more potent military arsenal that could threaten Israel.
But since October 7th, Israel has become much more reckless. You know, Benjamin Netanyahu actually has the reputation for not being militarily reckless, but what Israel has done vis-Ă -vis Iran since October 7th has indeed been reckless and gone far beyond what they did before. Israel, in December, assassinated a high-ranking Iranian general in Damascus. And then on April 1st, it attacked a building, which was part of the Iranian embassy consulate in Damascus, killing several high-ranking Iranian military officials. Now, this is a very serious escalation of what Israel had done in the past. And itâs really reckless. The Iranian embassy in Damascus is Iranian soil. And thereâs a strong notion in international law that you donât attack other peopleâs embassies. Indeed, the UN Secretary General, Antonio Guterres, said in response to Israelâs attack on the Iranian embassy in Damascus that âitâs a violation of the inviolability of diplomatic and consular premises.â And they did that with US F-35s and, according to Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, without telling the Biden administration ahead of time.
Now thatâs very, very reckless behavior. I think it reminds me of the recklessness of the ways the US responded after September 11th: the sense that the things that we had been doing before werenât good enough; we needed to take it up several notches but without really thinking about what the consequences were. This act of attacking the Iranian embassy in Damascus puts American forces at risk. We already saw in January that three US soldiers were killed in Jordan because of Iraqi proxies of Iran that were responding to the Gaza attack. And then when you have US planes bombing what is under international legal terms Iranian soil, this also puts the Americans at risk. The US intelligence services have been sayingâAvril Haines, the Director of National Intelligence, testified to Congress that âit is likely that the Gaza conflict will have a generational impact on terrorism.â So, already US unconditional support for Israel and Gaza is increasing the risk of terrorism.
And now, we saw that Israelâs attack on April 1st increases the risk of terrorism even further. Theyâre making the US complicit in an attack on what is Iranian soil. And this is in a context in which Iran has actually been acting in a pretty restrained way since October 7th. Remember: Hamas was reportedly hoping that Hezbollah with Iranian support would go into the war after its massacre on October 7th. Iran has not done that. The Washington Post reported in February that Iran had actually been cautioning its proxies against sparking a wider award. This is not because the Iranian regime is benign. Itâs a horrifying regime. I would love nothing more than to see it overthrown in a democratic revolution and to see those Iranian leaders who have brutalized their own people go on trial in front of the Hague.
But because Iran is relatively weak compared to the United States and Israel, it doesnât want a direct conflict. And yet, Israelâs actions have brought us to the brink of that direct conflict. And it has happened because the US has not been willing to tell Israel ânoâ; not been willing to condition American military support in a way that would prevent Israel from taking the reckless actions that itâs been taking vis-Ă -vis Iran, just as we have not been willing to do vis-a-vis the reckless and just massively catastrophic actions that Israelâs been taking in Gaza.
Again, I support US military aid to Israel that allows it to shoot down rockets that would kill Israelis with Iron Dome or the Arrow System, as happened just in the last 24 hours, but not unconditional US support for reckless offensive Israeli military actions that lead to the potential for regional war. What I hope is that the Biden administration is now learning its lesson just as it seems to be opening the door to conditioning US military aid on Israelâs reckless behavior in Gaza, that it will do the same vis-Ă -vis Israelâs behavior vis-Ă -vis Iran.
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Our guest will be Abdalhadi Alijla, a Gaza-born political scientist who has done some intriguing writing about Gazaâs political future after this war. Weâll talk about Israelâs stated plans to empower Gazaâs families and tribes, the Biden administrationâs effort to empower the Palestinian Authority, and what will become of Hamas.
Paid subscribers will get the link this Tuesday and the video the following week. Theyâll also gain access to our library of past Zoom interviews with guests like Rashid Khalidi, Thomas Friedman, Ilhan Omar, Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, and Bret Stephens.
Things to Read
(Maybe this should be obvious, but I link to articles and videos I find provocative and significant, not necessarily ones I entirely agree with.)
In Jewish Currents (subscribe!), Alex Kane writes about the shifting politics inside the Democratic Party on the Gaza War.
Every few days, I get a Go Fund Me request from a relative of someone trapped in Gaza. Although the analogy is inexact, I always think the same thing: What if this was my family in Europe in the 1930s or 1940s? So I give, although I know itâs never enough. Here are several requests I hope youâll consider. Abir Elzowidi is trying to evacuate the family of her brother, Tamer, whose entire building and neighborhood were destroyed by Israeli bombs. (Hereâs a video she made describing his plight.) Khalil Sayegh is trying to evacuate his family, including his brother Fadi, âwho has chronic kidney failure, has been struggling for his life since the war started due to his need for weekly dialysis at the local hospital.â Inessa Elaydi is trying to evacuate her family from an overcrowded refugee camp in Khan Younis. Dima (she doesnât include her last name) is trying to leave Gaza with her family for Canada. Asem Jerjawi is a promising young writer, currently living in a tent after Israeli forces shelled his familyâs home. Heâs also hoping to leave Gaza. Please help if you can.
Annelle Sheline, who resigned from the State Department to protest US policy toward Gaza, talks about being impacted by Aaron Bushnell.
Ramy Youssef prays for the people of Palestine on Saturday Night Live.
I talked about the war in Gaza with MSNBCâs Lawrence OâDonnell.
Iâll be speaking on April 5, with Rabbi David Wolpe, at City University of New York; and April 7, with Rabbi Jill Jacobs and Michael Koplow, at the Sixth and I Synagogue in Washington, DC; and on April 10 at the Phoenix Committee for Foreign Relations.
Dr. Guy Shalev and Dr. Lina Qassem-Hassan, who recently joined me on one of our Friday zooms, will be speaking in Boston on March 31st at the Palestinian Cultural Center and April 1 at Temple Beth Zion, and in New York on April 4 at Judson Memorial Church.
See you on Friday at Noon,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
A lot of Democratsâstarting with Chuck Schumer in his speech a couple weeks ago, but a lot of others as well, and some commentatorsâseem to feel like the sweet spot for them in responding to Israelâs war in Gaza is to attack Benjamin Netanyahu personally and say the problem with this war, and the reason that America and Israel not on the same page about it, is because of Netanyahu. That they love Israel, they support Israel, there is a good Israel that would be conducting this war in the way that America would like, but itâs been hijacked by Benjamin Netanyahu and his right-wing government represents the bad Israel. Now, I can see why thatâs a kind of politically appealing position for Democrats to be in because it tries to refute the argument that theyâre anti-Israel and it tries to suggest that Americans and Israelis are actually really on the same page about this war.
Unfortunately, the evidence suggests this is really not the case. The war is very popular among Israeli Jews. Now, itâs true that thereâs a deep division about whether to pause the war as part of a hostage deal. But even people who want to pause the war as part of a hostage deal donât want to end it for good and certainly donât question the legitimacy of the warâagain, most Jewish Israelis. So, that puts them in a different place from the Biden administration. In fact, even though Netanyahu has become much more unpopular since October 7th, the Israeli political mood has moved to the right. Itâs also not the case that there is a kind of majority of Israelis underneath Benjamin Netanyahu waiting to support a two-state solution if Netanyahu were to be gotten rid of. Again, Palestinian citizens of Israel may, but most Jewish Israelis even before October 7th werenât wild about a Palestinian state if one meant a sovereign state that controlled the Jordan Valley, that had a capital in East Jerusalemâa genuine state. Netanyahuâs main rivals, Benny Gantz and Yair Lapid, donât really support that kind of state. And again, that the opposition to a two-states has even grown since October 7th.
So, this desire to suggest that the problem is Netanyahu is politically popular because Netanyahu is perceived in American circles as a right-wing or a Republican, someone whoâs been personally obnoxious to American presidents. But itâs based on a kind of fiction about where Israeli politics are and what the kind of majority of Israelis actually believe. And also, I donât think itâs going to be very effective in bringing down Netanyahu. A public fight with an American presidentâa rhetorical fightâisnât necessarily undermining politically for Netanyahu. In many ways, he can actually use it to rally his base and to kind of call on nationalist sentiment. And itâs particularly not an effective tactic if you want to bring down Netanyahu because itâs only rhetorical. Netanyahu has a long history of embracing rhetorical battles with American presidents, going back to Bill Clinton and then Barack Obama over the Obama speech, for instance, calling for a Palestinian state near the â67 lines in 2011.
If you wanted to actually try to undermine Netanyahu politically, and increase the chances that Israel might shift course, you would actually have to condition or cut off military aid for the war and maybe change Americaâs positions in international institutions. The reason I think that would have a greater likelihood of success is that Netanyahuâs really entire political career at some level has been based on telling Israelis they can have their cake and eat it too. That they can do whatever they want vis-Ă -vis the Palestinians, essentially: destroy the possibility of a two-state solution, in particular, and Israel will remain deeply integrated into the rest of the world. It wonât face tangible consequences. Indeed, that itâll actually become more integrated into the rest of the world, as it has been.
So, if you want to undermine that case that Netanyahu is making, you canât do it effectively simply by saying we donât like Benjamin Netanyahu. Israelis felt well aware that previous Democratic presidents also didnât like Benjamin Netanyahu. But it doesnât cost them anything. The way to undermine Netanyahuâs argument, at least with some sliver of maybe center or center-right Israelis, would be to show them that his policies are incurring tangible costs vis-Ă -vis Israel in terms of American weapons, in terms of Americaâs support in international institutions. Again, I donât want to suggest that this would lead to some kind of left-wing peacenik Israeli government. There really isnât the basis for that politically, especially given that most Palestinian political partiesâwhich are the most peacenik, the most anti-war, the most pro-two-statesâare not considered legitimate partners for an Israeli government. Iâm talking about Balad and Hadash, in particular.
But it would, I think, change the calculus in Israel politically in a way thatâs simply saying that you donât want Netanyahu to be there doesnât at all. And so, the Biden administration, I think, if it wants a change in government in Israel, the thing it has to do is take concrete actions to actually use the leverage it has vis-Ă -vis Israel and impose consequences. And if it doesnât, its anti-Netanyahu rhetoric I think is actually completely counter-productive and wonât get the Biden administration what it wants, which is a different Israeli government.
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This Friday, Iâll be answering questions. Feel free to ask me anything during the Zoom call and Iâll do my best to answer. Since I just published an essay in the New York Times about the historic rupture between American Jewryâs two dominant creedsâ liberalism and Zionismâ I thought it might be a good moment to talk directly with you.
Paid subscribers will get the link this Tuesday and the video the following week. Theyâll also gain access to our library of past Zoom interviews with guests like Rashid Khalidi, Thomas Friedman, Ilhan Omar, Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, and Bret Stephens.
Sources Cited in this Video
The studies showing a correlation between Israelâs killings of Palestinians and reported antisemitic incidents in the US, Belgium, and Australia.
Why pro-Israel donors objected when Harvard and Stanford appointed Jewish scholars who study antisemitism to study antisemitism on campus.
A pro-Israel speakerâs talk is disrupted at Berkeley. (The speaker returned and was allowed to speak.)
Things to Read
(Maybe this should be obvious, but I link to articles and videos I find provocative and significant, not necessarily ones I entirely agree with.)
In Jewish Currents (subscribe!), on the occasion of Purim, which features Amalekâs supposed descendant, Haman, Maya Rosen writes about how to understand the Bibleâs call for genocide during what the International Court of Justice has called a âplausibleâ genocide in Gaza.
Every few days, I get a Go Fund Me request from a relative of someone trapped in Gaza. Although the analogy is inexact, I always think the same thing: What if this was my family in Europe in the 1930s or 1940s? So I give, although I know itâs never enough. Here are four requests I hope youâll consider. Abir Elzowidi is trying to evacuate the family of her brother, Tamer, whose entire building and neighborhood were destroyed by Israeli bombs. (Hereâs a video she made describing his plight.) Khalil Sayegh is trying to evacuate his family, including his brother Fadi, âwho has chronic kidney failure, has been struggling for his life since the war started due to his need for weekly dialysis at the local hospital.â Dima (she doesnât include her last name) is trying to leave Gaza with her family for Canada. Asem Jerjawi is a promising young writer, currently living in a tent after Israeli forces shelled his familyâs home. Heâs also hoping to leave Gaza.
Almost every day brings new evidence that the debate about conditioning aid to Israel is shifting among Democrats in Congress. Hereâs Representative Katie Porter making the case.
Josh Leifer on trying to understand Hamas.
How Joe Biden threw in his lot with Benjamin Netanyahu after October 7.
If you want to understand what the Israeli government is thinking right now, Dan Senorâs interview with Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer is quite instructive.
My New York Times essay on the rupture between Zionism and liberalism for American Jews.
I talked about the war in Gaza with MSNBCâs Lawrence OâDonnell and Ali Velshi.
Iâll be speaking on March 27 at Quinnipiac College, March 28 at Hofstra University, April 5 with Rabbi David Wolpe at City University of New York, and April 7 with Rabbi Jill Jacobs and Michael Koplow at the Sixth and I Synagogue in Washington, DC.
See you on Friday at Noon,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
I wanna say something about the debate in the US today over antisemitism. I was a little ambivalent about this because the most important story right now, I think it should go without saying, is the destruction of Gaza, the mass slaughter there. But adjacent to that is this conversation about antisemitism in the US. I engaged in that conversation myself to some degree with a piece that just came out in the New York Times. Franklin Foer, my old colleague at The New Republic, had a cover story in The Atlantic. And I think itâs important to engage that conversation partly because antisemitism is a genuine problem, but also because if we donât talk about antisemitism in the right way, it seems to me, then the conversation about antisemitism becomes a way of not having to face whatâs happening in Gaza. So, it seems to me to some degree one has to engage with this conversation of antisemitism to try to say how to talk about it and how not to talk about, precisely so it doesnât become a way of evading the reality of the horror in Gaza.
So, I want to try to suggest kind of six ways that I think are important to think about and not to think about antisemitism. The first is, which might be obvious, but I think is in some ways not said clearly enough, is that the rise in Israel-related antisemitism that weâre seeing in the United States is related to this war. There are three academic studiesâone in the US, one in Belgium, one in Australiaâover the last 20 years all show a strong correlation between substantial Israeli military operations that kill a lot of Palestinians and rise in reported antisemitic incidents.
Now, this is not to say that Israel is responsible for people who take out their anger against Israel on Jews. Itâs not. Israel is responsible for the Palestinians it kills, but itâs not responsible for people who take out their anger on Israel against ordinary Jews. Just like Hamas is responsible for the Israelis it killed on October 7th, but Hamas is not responsible for the violent actions that have been taken against Palestinians in the United States by people who might have been inflamed by what Hamas did. And for that matter, the Chinese government is responsible for many, many terrible things, but the Chinese government is not responsible for the fact that during COVID, some people took out their anger against the Chinese government on Asian Americans in the United States. But it is just worth saying that if the war were to end, and the Israeli military were to stop killing so many Palestinians, likely the number of reported incidents of antisemitism would go down. Again, we have academic evidence that shows a pretty strong correlation here.
The second point I want to make is that if we want to fight against this Israel-related antisemitism and make it clear that itâs unacceptable to take out your anger against Israel against Jews, we may need to make a distinction between the Israeli governmentâits actions and its characterâand Jews. We need to make it clear theyâre not the same thing, just as we would make it clear that Muslims are not responsible for the actions of Iran or Saudi Arabia or Hamas, and Chinese Americans are not responsible for what China does because to support a government is a political choice. And a religion or an ethnicity is something very different.
And so that distinction is really, really important to make. And itâs important to make to fight against Israel-related antisemitism. And we have the problem that many established American Jewish organizations donât want to make that distinction. They donât want to distinguish Jewishness or Judaism on the one hand from Israel, and Zionism on the other, because they want to suggest that being a Zionist or supporting Israel is inherent in being Jewish. Now, it is true that a majority of American Jewsâa majority of Jews around the worldâI think would identify as supporting Israel, identify as Zionists, although they might mean different things by that. And if you say it is an inherent part of what it means to be a Jew, youâre actually contributing to exactly the conflation, it seems to me, that makes Jews in the US and in other parts of the world less safe because it makes it harder to maintain the distinction between Israel and Jews and harder to tell people that it is unacceptable for them to take out their anger against Israelâits actions, even its state ideologyâon Jews.
The third point I want to make is that not everything bad that happens, even everything bad that happens to Jews, is antisemitism. Which is to say thereâs bad behavior that takes place, including against Jews, which is not antisemitic. So, let me give an example. There was a speaker a while back at Berkeley, a pro-Israel speaker, who was not allowed to speak. And there was a whole set of incidents around that. I wonât go into the details but basically protesters prevented that person from being able to speak. That, to me, is a problem. I really oppose that kind of thing. I think people have the right to protest, but they donât have the right to disrupt the speeches of people that they disagree with. And I think this is a problem on American campuses: this tendency to sometimes disrupt speakers that you disagree with.
But was it antisemitism? Well, letâs ask ourselves this question. If that pro-Israel speaker had been Christian, even Muslim, and not Jewish, would the same thing have happened? Yes, I think the same thing would very likely have happened. That a Christian evangelical speaker defending Israelâs war in Gaza, I think itâs very likely that person also would have been disrupted. So, my point is that the disruption of that speech, the inability of that person to be able to speak, was wrong. It was illiberal. It was an attack on free speech. I think that the people who do that should be punished. But it wasnât antisemitism.
And I think thatâs particularly important because one of the things that weâre seeing on college campuses, in addition to some genuine antisemitism, is a kind of social exclusion thatâs happening towards Zionist students. And the social exclusion against Zionist students, I think, is not fundamentally different from the kind of social exclusion that anti-abortion students or Republican students, students who have political views that are out of the mainstream in very progressive campuses, just like itâs not only pro-Israel speakers who get disrupted. We know that Charles Murray got disrupted when he tried to speak at Middlebury. Milo Yiannopoulos, that guy from Breitbart, who got disrupted a while ago. Iâve actually written criticizing both of those disruptions. But the point is thereâs a kind of intolerance that exists on leftist campuses that can express itself in some ugly ways. And I think it should be treated as a concern. But it doesnât mean itâs antisemitism. Thatâs not to say there isnât also antisemitism, but I think itâs important to keep these two things separate.
A fourth: the fact that there is an increase in antisemitism does not mean that Jews in America are oppressed. This is a point that Shaul Magid makes in his in his wonderful book, The Necessity of Exile. And itâs an important thing to remember, which is to say there is a rise, I think, in antisemitism. What there is not is state sponsored oppression of Jews. Donald Trump has made some antisemitic remarks, but we donât have politicians in either party suggesting that Jews should not be treated equally with other people. And that puts Jews in a different place, actually, than I think Palestinians or Muslims. Which is to say thereâs rising antisemitism, and thereâs also rising Islamophobia, and thereâs rising anti-Palestinian racism. But the Islamophobia and anti-Palestinian racism are much more likely to be used by politicians to suggest that those people should not have equal rights.
So, for instance, Donald Trump said that Muslims should not be allowed in the United States. We have no equivalent of a politician saying something like that about Jews. Ron DeSantis, the governor of [Florida], banned all of the students for Justice in Palestine chapters at his state universities. We donât have anything like a governor in the United States banning any Jewish, or for that matter pro-Israel, organizations. So, itâs important to distinguish, I think, conceptually between rising antisemitism, which is a concern, and state-sponsored oppression, especially because when Jews think about antisemitism, we often harken back to situations where the antisemitism was so dangerous precisely because it was actually being used by a coercive state that wanted to deny Jews basic equality.
[Fifth], the antisemitism debate is not like the debate about, letâs say, anti-Black racism. And thatâs why when you often hear a establishment Jewish organizations say, âjust like Black people get to define what anti-Black racism is, Jews should be able to define what antisemitism is.â Thatâs a mistake because the two debates are very different. First of all, there is not a consensus among American Jews about how to define antisemitism. So, when the Anti-Defamation League or some organization says that you need to let us speak for the Jews and define antisemitism as including anti-Zionism, itâs not equivalent to the NAACP speaking on behalf of Black Americans because thereâs much more of a consensus among Black Americans about what constitutes racism than there is among Jews on what constitutes antisemitism. Jews are very divided on this question of whether anti-Zionism equals antisemitism, if only because a significant number of Jews themselves would fall under that definition of antisemitism if it equals anti-Zionism. Again, almost 40% of young American Jews in 2021 in the Jewish Electoral Institute poll said they consider Israel to be an apartheid state, which is essentially defined as an antisemitic attitude by as Americaâs Jewish organizations. And indeed, the Jewish scholars who study antisemitism tend to not have the same definition as the establishment Jewish organizations. So, when you say, âyou need to listen to the Jews,â what these organizations are saying is, âlisten to us.â And often times, theyâre saying âdonât listen to the actual Jewish experts who have made the study of antisemitism their field.â
One of the kind of comic things thatâs been playing out on university campuses is that when the universities try to appoint Jewish scholars to these new antisemitism commissions theyâre creating, when they try to appoint Jewish scholars who study antisemitism like Derek Penslar at Harvard or Ari Kelman at Stanford, it produces a huge furor from these Jewish organizations and from donors who have no scholarly background about antisemitism because the Jewish scholars donât define antisemitism the same way that these Jewish organizations, or the Jewish donors who tend to be in line with those organizations, do.
And the last point to make is that anti-Black racism, the debate in the United States, is not being used to protect a particular government, right? We donât have a situation in which the government of Nigeria or Senegal or Kenya is basically making a push to define criticisms of those governments as anti-Black racism. We do have that in the debate about antisemitism. The Israeli government is very, very involved in that debate. And that makes it fundamentally different, right? Or another way of thinking about this would be if you say that Jews get to define anti-Zionism and antisemitism because thatâs how some Jews feel, then why donât Palestinians get to define Zionism as anti-Palestinian bigotry, right? The point is you canât allow a group of people to define what this bigotry means irrespective of the concerns of the other group of people who are actually part of this conflict in Israel-Palestine.
And the last point I would makeâand this is something that Franklin Foer gets into in his piece for The Atlanticâbut itâs also been a subject something that a bunch of other people have been writing about recently: this idea that weâre at the end of a Jewish golden age in the United States because of rising antisemitism. I think that that idea does capture something real, probably, which is that it may be that the kind of high point of Jewish cultural influenceâletâs say, if you could measure thatâhas passed. And itâs also true, I think, that there is rising antisemitism. But I donât think that the reason that the high point of Jewish cultural influence in America has passed is because primarily of antisemitism. I think it has more to do with the fact that as Jews have been in the United States longer, they are no longer, as in a certain kind of sense, culturally productive as they were before.
Or another way of putting it is, as Jews have moved further away from the immigrant experience, they lack the kind of hungerâprofessional and academic hungerâthat leads them to excel in the way they did. And America is now a country with many, many people whose parents came in the post-1965 immigration, and many of those people who are closer to the immigrant experience from all parts of the world I think are behaving a little bit more like Jews did a generation or two ago, which is why their numbers at kind of very elite universities are going up and the Jewish numbers are going down a little bit. This, I think, is a kind of story of a kind of ethnic succession, which has happened before in American history. And I think that, more than anything else, is the reason that we may be entering an era in which Jews donât have the same kind of cultural influence that they did maybe a few years ago. Itâs also the case that the United States itself doesnât have the kind of power in the world, and American liberal democracy is also more fragile than it was. But to suggest that the decline in Jewish influence in America is primarily because of a rise in antisemitism, I think misunderstands whatâs actually going on.
I hope to return, you know, next week to talking about whatâs actually happening in Gaza and Americaâs role there. But I thought it was worth throwing some of these things out there because I think the danger is that if we donât talk about antisemitism in a thoughtful way, then the conversation of antisemitism and the fear about antisemitismâa genuine fear but I think a fear thatâs sometimes inflamedâactually becomes a way of avoiding an honest conversation about Americaâs role in the horror in Gaza, and indeed about the organized American Jewish communityâs complicity in the horror in Gaza.
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Our guest will be Avner Gvaryahu, Executive Director of Breaking the Silence, an organization of Israeli military veterans who oppose the occupation. Weâll discuss his recent essay in Foreign Affairs, âThe Myth of Israelâs âMoral Armyââ as part of a broader discussion about the way Israel is fighting in Gaza and why it is wreaking such devastation there.
Paid subscribers will get the link this Tuesday and the video the following week. Theyâll also gain access to our library of past Zoom interviews with guests like Rashid Khalidi, Thomas Friedman, Ilhan Omar, Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, and Bret Stephens.
Sources Cited in this Video
Chuck Schumerâs speech last week on the Senate floor.
When Harry Reid repudiated Barack Obama in 2011.
Things to Read
(Maybe this should be obvious, but I link to articles and videos I find provocative and significant, not necessarily ones I entirely agree with.)
In Jewish Currents (subscribe!), Emma Saltzberg talks to Professor Geoffrey Levin about the hidden history of American Jewish dissent about Israel.
Every few days I get a Go Fund Me request from a relative of someone trapped in Gaza. Although the analogy is inexact, I always think the same thing: What if this was my family in Europe in the 1930s or 1940s? So I give, although I know itâs never enough. Here are three requests I hope youâll consider. Abir Elzowidi is trying to evacuate the family of her brother, Tamer, whose entire building and neighborhood were destroyed by Israeli bombs. Khalil Sayegh is trying to evacuate his family, including his brother Fadi, âwho has chronic kidney failure, has been struggling for his life since the war started due to his need for weekly dialysis at the local hospital.â Dima (she doesnât include her last name) is trying to leave Gaza with her family for Canada.
For the Foundation for Middle East Peaceâs Occupied Thoughts podcast, I interviewed Gaza-born writer and activist Ahmed Moor about the consequences, human, moral and political, of this war.
I discussed American Jewish politics on the Makdisi Street Podcast.
Naomi Klein on the meaning of the film âZone of Interest.â
Iâll be speaking on March 27 at Quinnipiac College, March 28 at Hofstra University, April 5 at City University of New York, and April 7 at the Sixth and I Synagogue in Washington, DC.
See you on Thursday at Noon,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
So, Democratic Senate leader Chuck Schumer gave a speech last week that got a lot of attention. And I think it is actually a pretty big deal, but not really for the reasons that people are suggesting it is. I want to pick up on something that actually Norman Finkelstein said in our Zoom call on Friday for paid subscribers that I think was correct, and I want to try to elaborate on it in explaining why it matters. Now, the headline was that that Schumer called for new elections in Israel. I donât know whether that will increase the likelihood of new elections in Israel. Certainly, Schumerâs speech was not, by my lights, a kind of commensurate moral response to the destruction of Gaza. He didnât call for an end to military aid to Israelâs war. He didnât call for an immediate ceasefire and hostage release. But he did say other things that I think suggest how much the discourse inside the Democratic Party, even in Washington now, has changed in a very short period of time.
To illustrate that, I want to go back to a speech that his predecessor, Democratic Senate leader Harry Reid, gave in 2011. In the spring of 2011, Barack Obama gave a speech calling for a Palestinian state near the 1967 lines with land swaps. And he had previously, over the past couple of yearsâObamaâpushed for a settlement freeze, which had put him in conflict with Netanyahu. And so, Harry Reid went to AIPAC, and he completely threw Obama under the bus. And he said, âno oneââthis is Harry Reidâhe said, âno one should set premature parameters about borders, about building, or about anything else.â Building. That refers to settlements. Harry Reid was saying basically no US policy of restriction on settlement growth.
To fast forward to Schumerâs speech, two things about it that I think suggest how much the discourse has changed. The first is that he says in a slightly oblique way, but he says it, that if Netanyahu doesnât begin to wind down the war and âcontinues to pursue dangerous and inflammatory policies that test existing US standards for assistance, then the United States will have no choice but to play a more active role in shaping Israeli policy by using our leverage to change the present course.â Now, thatâs a little euphemistic. But when he talks about âexisting US standards for assistance,â it seems to me heâs referenced something called the Leahy Law. The Leahy Law says the US cannot give military aid to units of foreign militaries that commit gross human rights violations. We do apply that to plenty of countries. We donât apply it to Israel. Itâs not enforced. We donât even collect the data that would allow us to determine if certain units of the US military had committed gross human rights violations.
Schumer is referencing that. Thatâs a big deal. Prior to October 7th and the war in Gaza, there was, as far as I know, one US Senator, Bernie Sanders, who was open to the idea in a meaningful way of conditioning US aid. Now, Chuck Schumer is talking about it. And Chuck Schumer is not on the left edge of the Democratic Party in Congress. Heâs on the center right edge when it comes to foreign policy. Letâs remember, this is the guy who opposed Barack Obamaâs nuclear deal in 2015, and heâs putting the idea of conditioning military aid to Israel on the table. The US has not conditioned aid to Israel since the early 1990s under George H. W. Bush. The fact that Chuck Schumer is now talking about it suggests how dramatic a transformation there has been inside the Democratic Party in Congress in a relatively short time.
The second thing that Schumer said that I thought was quite remarkable is he refers to the debate between one equal state and two states. Now, two states is his position. But he says, âI can understand the idealism that inspires so many young people, in particular, to support a one-state solution. Why canât we all live side by side and house by house in peace?â Now, then Schumer goes on to say he disagrees with that. He doesnât think Jews would be safe. Those are very familiar rebuttals. But the fact that Schumer has to engage this argument at all is really new. A Democratic leader in the Congress would not have had to even acknowledge this as a topic that he needed to discuss. And itâs worth remembering that the establishment Jewish organizations like the Anti-defamation League, which equate anti-Zionism with antisemitism, view this positionâthe position that I hold, one equal binational democratic stateâas antisemitism. And which is their way of saying it shouldnât be discussed, as part of the policy debate. But Schumer is discussing it! Heâs disagreeing with it, but heâs discussing it, and heâs acknowledged that heâs calling it an idealistic position that many young people share.
This would not have happened up until very recently. And it suggests that Schumer understands the transformation thatâs underway at the grassroots of his party, especially along generational lines. Heâs trying to forestall it in a way, but heâs recognizing it is essentially a legitimate part of the discourse, which is something that establishment American Jewish organizations have been trying to forestall, make sure that it canât be a legitimate part of the discourse by equating it with antisemitism. And Schumer is actually doing something very different here. It suggests to me heâs someone who knows that things in his party are really shifting. He may not be so happy about it, but he recognizes that. That is a big deal. And so, while thereâs so many reasons for despair in this nightmarish moment, I think Schumerâs speech is a kind of backhanded compliment to those people in the activist community at the base of the Democratic Party who have been organizing in these hellish last few months for a change. And itâs a sign that that change, although far too slow and fragmentary, that there is evidence that that change is coming.
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Our Zoom call this week will be at the usual time: Friday at Noon EST.
Our guest will be Norman Finkelstein, someone who has long fascinated me but whom Iâve never met. I want to ask about his upbringing as the child of Holocaust survivors, how his parents imparted the Holocaustâs moral lessons to him, and about how he understands the very different ways that many other children of Holocaust survivors interpret that horror. I want to ask how he first encountered Palestinians, how he decided to make their cause his lifeâs work, and what it was like to break with many Palestinian activists over the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement. Finally, I want to ask about his reaction to the October 7 massacre, and to the mass slaughter and starvation unfolding in Gaza.
Paid subscribers will get the link this Tuesday and the video the following week. Theyâll also gain access to our library of past Zoom interviews with guests like Rashid Khalidi, Thomas Friedman, Ilhan Omar, Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, and Bret Stephens.
Sources Cited in this Video
I discussed Bezalel Smotrichâs âDecisive Planâ last spring in a Jewish Currents essay entitled, âCould Israel Carry Out Another Nakba?â
I wrote about Israeli efforts at mass expulsion from Gaza earlier this year in The New York Times.
Israelâs plan to expand its âbuffer zoneâ inside Gaza.
UN officials called Gaza âunlivableâ in 2018.
Ta-Nehisi Coates on why he doesnât agree with Barack Obama that âthe arc of the moral universe bends to justice.â
Things to Read
(Maybe this should be obvious, but I link to articles and videos I find provocative and significant, not necessarily ones I entirely agree with.)
In Jewish Currents (subscribe!), Alex Kane examines the limits and possibilities of the Biden administrationâs new sanctions against Israeli settlers in the West Bank.
Every few days, I get a Go Fund Me request from a relative of someone trapped in Gaza. Although the analogy is inexact, I always think the same thing: What if this was my family in Europe in the 1930s or 1940s? So I give, although I know itâs never enough. This request is from Abir Elzowidi, who is trying to evacuate the family of his brother, Tamer, whose entire building and neighborhood were destroyed by Israeli bombs. Abir writes, âI've lost 33 of my family members in Gaza since the war started and I am very scared to lose Tamer and his family. I could never forgive myself for not trying to help them.â If you can help, please do.
For the Foundation for Middle East Peaceâs Occupied Thoughts podcast, I interviewed Steve Simon, a Senior Director for the Middle East and North Africa in President Obamaâs National Security Council, about how his experience making policy toward Israel-Palestine helps him interpret the Biden administrationâs actions since October 7.
Tel Aviv University Professor Aeyal Gross on how people who deny Hamasâ atrocities replicate the tactics of Israeli hasbara.
Pankaj Mishra on âThe Shoah after Gaza.â
Iâll be speaking on March 11 at the City University of New York, March 27 at Quinnipiac College, March 28 at Hofstra University and April 7 at the Sixth and I Synagogue in Washington, DC.
See you on Friday at Noon,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
Hi. Every now and then, someone says, âwhy are people paying so much attention to whatâs happening in Gaza? After all, there are really, really terrible things that happen all over the world and donât get very much attention.â And there are certain standard answers to this. One answer for Americans is that the United States is very deeply complicit in the slaughter in Gaza in the way that itâs not in many other places where people are suffering a great deal. Another more general answer is that people tend to pay more attention to whatâs happening in Israel-Palestine because itâs so central to Jews, Muslims, and Christians. But I want to suggest another answer. And it has to do with the way in which what Israel is doing, and maybe trying to do, in Gaza, and how the world reacts, is a kind of a referendum on the very notion of historical progress itself. The question of whether we are fundamentally in a different and better world today than we were in previous centuries.
So, let me try to explain what I mean. As I understand what Israel is doing in Gaza, this is the way I think about it. Thereâs a pretty overwhelming consensus in Israel today among Israeli Jewsâthere was even before October 7th but even more strongly since October 7thâthat Israel cannot give the Palestinians their own state, certainly not any time in the foreseeable future, and certainly that Israel is not going to give Palestinians citizenship in the country in which they live, in Israel, right, and in this territory, which Israel controls. So, Israel is going to control these people, millions of people in the West Bank and Gaza and East Jerusalem in different ways who lack basic rights, the basic right of citizenship.
And I think until October 7th, Israeli leaders felt like they were managing that system pretty well. Things were pretty quiet in the West Bank. The Palestinian Authority was working with Israel. Even Hamas, they felt like in a strange kind of way, was working with Israel to keep things relatively quiet. Israel had policies of kind of carrots and sticks. They would let more Palestinian workers come into Israel from the Occupied Territories, which they thought would give people an incentive to keep things kind of relatively calm because they didnât want to lose that. Of course, there was the ever-present threat of his Israeli violence, greater violence if the Palestinians upset the apple cart. And Israel was moving on to bigger and better things in its view, you know, normalization with Saudi Arabia, you know, having relations with all kinds of important countries all over the world.
I think thatâs where Israeli political leadership was on October 6th. October 7th showed actually this management process has really broken down because actually itâs really difficult to manage over a long period of time people who you deny basic rights to because those people are going to resist. And, of course, the way they resisted on October 7th was horrifying to me, right? I much prefer the many other ways of Palestinians have resisted in ways that are much more ethical. But the point is that people are likely to resist systems of oppression. You canât pretend that theyâre going to basically sit back and take it for a long time.
So, the Biden administration wants to recreate a kind of, I think, a system of managing this situation. I mean, they talk about two states. But I think what they really want to do is basically try to kind of put Humpty Dumpty back together again, put someone in charge in Gaza that will kind of keep things quiet, maybe refurbish the Palestinian authority a little bit, and basically move on to be able to talk about other things. But I think thatâs gonna be extraordinarily difficult to do. The truth is that Gaza was unlivable before October 7th. According to the UN, it was unlivable in 2017. Now it is catastrophically unlivable, right? I mean, most of the hospitals are destroyed. Most of the housing is destroyed. Almost everyone displaced. The universities destroyed. And itâs extremely difficult for me to see how Gaza is ever rebuilt. Israel has already said that it wants to increase the buffer zones, which means that there will be less space for people in Gaza than there is today. This is already one of the most overcrowded places on earth. The blockade is likely to be tighter than it was before because Israel is gonna say we canât allow Hamas to get the means to rearm or anyone else to get the means to rearm, right.
So, it doesnât seem to me itâs remotely plausible that Gaza is really going to be able to rebuild. And I think that there are differences of opinions inside the Israeli government, but I think the people in the Israeli government who have the most coherent vision of what they want to do beyond just muddling through are the people on the right side of the Israeli government who want to create conditions in Gaza that create so much pressure that sooner or later Egypt opens its border and thereâs a mass exodus from Gazaâbecause, again, because Gaza is unlivableâand then those people will not be allowed to return.
Egyptâs taken a very hard line against this. But Egypt is a quite vulnerable country. I think itâs $28 billion in debt. Itâs very beholden to the Gulf countries. There have been reports that Egypt actually has already been building a wall inside Egypt, essentially to contain people that it imagines might get across from Gaza, particularly from Rafah, which is where this Palestinian population is so kind of centered now because Israel has moved through the rest of the Gaza Strip.
So, I think that the peopleânot everyone in the Israeli government, not everyone in Israeli politicsâbut the people with the clearest vision, who are on the right, have a vision of expulsion. And some of them have been very clear about this for a long time. And Iâve written about this. Bezalel Smotrich in 2017 essentially said if Palestinians donât accept their lack of citizenship and they rise up, theyâre gonna have to leave. And a whole series of other people in the Israeli government, from Tzachi Hengbi, the national security advisor, to Avi Dichter, the agricultural minister, to Yoav Gallant, the defense minister, over the years have made statements about the potential necessity of expulsion. And it polls pretty well in Israel.
So, what does this have to do with the course of history? It seems to me one of the reasons that people have difficulty imagining this as a possibility is it just doesnât seem like the kind of thing that countries can get away with in this era of history. If we step back, and we think about it a little bit, weâre very aware actually that many countries did do this in the past. Indeed, the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, these were how those countries were created, right, with acts of mass destruction of a native population, which cleared the way for a new country, a kind of a new society. Israel itself could not have been created as a Jewish state without the act of mass expulsion at Israelâs founding because there simply werenât enough Jews there, even in the territory designated as a Jewish state by the UN to create a large Jewish majority, which was necessary for a Jewish state. The dirty little secret that people often donât talk about about the UN partition plan is that even in the Jewish state that was allocated, there was only a bare Jewish majority in that territory. Again, only a third of the population at that time of the entire Mandatory Palestine was Jewish.
So, Israel itself was born through this kind of act of mass expulsion. But I think that the inclination towards believing that history has a trajectory towards progress makes people think that this is the kind of thing you could do in the 19th century. Maybe it was even the kind of thing you could do in the mid-20th centuryâand there were large population expulsions back in the mid-20th centuryâbut you canât do it today. We now, after World War II, we created a system of international norms, institutions, a kind of higher ethics that governs the way countries behave, and you simply canât do that anymore. And so, it seems to me one of the things thatâs really at stake in whether this mass expulsion of people from Gaza can occur is the question of whether in fact thatâs true: whether we are in a different era of history, whether there has been some fundamental kind of progress that means that countries canât do what they could do in the past. Which would mean that Israel cannot solve the Palestinian problem in the way that the United States solved its Native American problem in the 19th century, which is basically so reducing the population that it was no longer a threat.
And I think there is evidence, horrifyingly, that these ideas of progress that people had may not actually be accurate. Itâs interesting. One of the things that Barack Obamaâyou know, Barack Obama was a kind of quintessential progressive in the sense that he was often quoting Martin Luther King saying, you know, âthe arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.â And he and John Kerry were often saying to Benjamin Netanyahu at that point, âyou know, you canât really get away with this controlling all these Palestinians who lack basic rights. It's not the way the world works anymore. Weâre no longer in a colonial age.â And Netanyahu, who is the son of a historian, I think was in his own way saying, âwhy are you so sure that the history is moving in that particular direction?â
And I fear that events are in fact proving Netanyahu right. We had an act of mass expulsion, which didnât get nearly the attention, I think, in the world that it should have last September when 100,000 Armenians were expelled from Nagorno-Karabakh. We have Vladimir Putinâs invasion of Ukraine, which now looks very likely, will not be regressed in the sense that, that Russia will ever be forced back, and Ukraine will regain all of the control over its sovereignty, you know, beginning with the invasion in 2014 by Russia and then continuing in 2020. We have a government in India that is moving India from a secular state into a very, very aggressive Hindu supremacist state, and really dramatically and very violently rolling back the rights that Muslims had in India. We have of course China as a kind of still-rising global power. And the United States, we have the possibility of a Trump presidency and the possibility of kind of Trump-like figures in various places in Europe.
So, under those conditions, it seems to me that we face the real prospect, in fact, that we are taking a historical turn in which the very fragile norms that we had about state behavior are actually really eroding, and that the kind of mass expulsions that weâve seen in earlier periods of history that now are returning again and being thinkable again. And I think if Israel succeeds in doing what many in the Israeli government want to do in Gaza, I think that will open the door to Modi and others around the world, seeing it as a possibility to their restive minority populations that they donât want to fully enfranchise. That seems to me whatâs on the table in terms of whatâs going on in Gaza. And one way of answering the question of why it matters so much, because it matters so much not only because of the fate of those individual people in Gaza, and because of what it says about the United States in the way it behaves around the world, and what it says about Israel, but because of what it says about the course of history. I think thatâs one of the things thatâs on the line in this moment.
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Our Zoom call this week will be at the usual time: Friday at Noon EST.
Our guest will Ussama Makdisi, Professor of History and Chancellorâs Chair at the University of California Berkeley, author most recently of Age of Coexistence: The Ecumenical Frame and the Making of the Modern Arab World and co-host of the Makdisi Street Podcast. I want to ask Ussama, who is one of Americaâs leading historians of the Middle East and of the long encounter between Palestinians and Zionism, what makes this current moment distinct. I also want to ask how his scholarship into the history of coexistence between Muslims, Christians, and Jews in the Arab world can help us think about a future of coexistence and equality in Israel-Palestine and across the Middle East.
Paid subscribers will get the link this Tuesday and the video the following week. Theyâll also gain access to our library of past Zoom interviews with guests like Rashid Khalidi, Thomas Friedman, Ilhan Omar, Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, and Bret Stephens.
Sources Cited in this Video
Bill Clintonâs comments after first meeting Benjamin Netanyahu in the White House are recorded in books by both Aaron Miller and Dennis Ross.
When Netanyahu said âAmerica is something that can be moved easily.â
The problem with dropping humanitarian aid from the air.
Why Americaâs military support for Israelâs war likely violates US law.
Things to Read
(Maybe this should be obvious, but I link to articles and videos I find provocative and significant, not necessarily ones I entirely agree with.)
In Jewish Currents (subscribe!), Dahlia Krutkovich and Jonathan Shamir write about the fight over Gaza inside Britainâs Labour Party.
Khalil Sayegh, a former guest on one of my Friday Zoom interviews and someone from whom Iâve learned a great deal, has launched a Go Fund Me page to evacuate his family from Gaza. Itâs horrifying that so many people need to do this. I hope youâll take a moment to imagine how youâd feel if your family were in such desperate straits and consider supporting him.
âI love Israel, but not more than Judaism itself. Not more than humanity.â Rabbi Kate Mizrahi on why she supports a ceasefire.
Jon Stewart on how US officials talk about war crimes in Ukraine versus Israel.
I spoke with Rania Batrice about anti-war mobilization inside the Democratic Party for the Foundation for Middle East Peace.
I spoke with Ali Velshi on MSNBC about the political problems the war in Gaza is creating for Joe Biden.
Iâll be speaking virtually at Southern Connecticut State University on March 4 and in person on March 6 at the University of Texas at Austin, March 11 at the City University of New York, March 27 at Quinnipiac College, and March 28 at Hofstra University.
I sometimes get emails that strike me as deserving a wider audience. The following is from a professor at a prestigious liberal arts college. Although Iâve been highly critical of the way charges of antisemitism are wielded to suppress pro-Palestinian speech, this emailâwhich Iâve edited for concision and clarityâcaptures something that worries me about the Israel-Palestine debate on at least some campuses.
âI have had two students recently ask me for letters of recommendation to transfer to other colleges on account of anti-SemitismâŠin asking one of the two students who wants to transfer what happened, it became clear that his fellow students had blocked him from phone chats and systematically blanked him in face-to-face interactions after he first expressed support for Israel's right to exist and then showed up on campus in a yarmulke after Temple, which was taken as a political declaration. It seems to me that there is a form of anti-Semitism that consists in treating Zionism per se (as opposed to support for Netanyahu or the settlers or whatever) as morally equivalent to Nazism, rather than being on a par with other mistaken ideologies like Hindutva - retrograde but not the kind of thing that ought to put one beyond the pale.â
See you on Friday at Noon,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
Thereâs a famous story about the first time that Benjamin Netanyahu met Bill Clinton after Netanyahu had been elected in 1996. And Netanyahu started lecturing Clinton about the Middle East and about Israel Palestine, and then Netanyahu left the room. And, according to Aaron Millerâs book, Bill Clinton turns to his advisors and said, âwho the f**k does he think he is? Whoâs the f*****g superpower here?â A similar version of this story shows up in Dennis Rossâs book.
Iâve been thinking about this line of Bill Clintonâsâwhoâs the f*****g superpower hereâbecause the United States is now in a truly bizarre situation in which Israel is prosecuting a war that is starving the people of Gaza to death. Theyâre starving because very few trucks are getting through to provide the aid they need to live and the medicines they need to live. Now, this aid is not getting through because Israel has a very, very laborious inspection process that really reduces the number of trucks that can get through. Also, because Israel is still bombing in places, which makes it hard for the trucks to travel safely with that aid. And because, in the north of Gaza where Israel has largely decapitated Hamas, there is total lawlessness, so itâs not safe to deliver trucks. The trucks are getting stormed by starving people. We saw this tragically last week in this massacre that killed roughly a hundred people.
And these policies are being carried out with Americaâs deep participation, right? America is supplying Israel the weaponry that it is using to prosecute this war. And America is protecting Israel at the United Nations and other international forums from the consequences of its policies, right? So, the US is deeply involved in these policies that are starving the people of Gaza to death. And you might think that because the Biden administration is now publicly saying itâs very, very concerned about this famine thatâs taking place, that it would say, âwe will no longer participate in these policies that are people starving people in Gaza to death.â But thatâs not what the Biden administration is saying. The Biden administration is essentially saying, âwell, we canât do much about that. But hereâs this brilliant workaround. Weâll drop the aid from the air,â right?
Itâs actually not such a brilliant workaround because, according to humanitarian experts, itâs very, very expensive and inefficient to deliver aid from the air. The aid can land very far away from where you want it to land. So, letâs say you have possible supplies. They may not land near the hospital. Also, thereâve been suggestions that some of this aid may land in the sea, and it may be dangerous for people in Gaza to retrieve it. The obvious answer is to start the delivery of aid by land. And yet the Biden administration still is kind of essentially shrugging its shoulders or saying, âpretty please, weâd really like you to let more of this aid in,â as if the United States doesnât have any leverage here, right? It is with US weapons that Israel is prosecuting this war.
And indeed, the US is probably violating its own law by participating in this starvation of Gaza because under the Foreign Assistance Act, itâs illegal for the US to provide arms to countries that are committing grave human rights violations. And remember the International Court of Justice has said that this could plausibly be a genocide. And itâs also under the Foreign Assistance Act illegal for the US to provide arms to countries that are impeding the delivery of US humanitarian assistance, which Israel is also doing, right?
So, rather than complying with US law, and saying that America will not be complicit in these policies, the Biden administration shrugs its shoulders and says, âwell, weâve got a creative workaround. Since we canât do anything about that, letâs drop things from the air.âAnd you know, itâs funny, thereâs a whole group of people in Washington who are really obsessed with this idea of credibility, right? Like America needs to look strong, right? So, when Obama said that the use of chemical weapons in Syria was a red line, but then he didnât go to war, America lost credibility. When we pulled out of Afghanistan, we lost credibility. This was the argument made for Vietnam. Our credibility is on the line in Vietnam. You notice these credibility arguments almost always made to start wars or continue wars, right? But this seems to me a very obvious case in which Americaâs refusal to take actions to end the war actually seriously undermines our credibility. Because itâs not just like the world is looking at this and saying, this is profoundly immoral that all these people are starving to death. But it also makes America look totally impotent, right, when America wonât use the tools that are at our disposal to stop the war.
It seems to me that Biden could say to Netanyahu, âlisten, you will not use any more American weaponry in this war. And we will not shield you from the consequences in international legal forum of this war because we believe in international law. We want to hold Hamas account accountable for its war crimes. And we want to hold Vladimir Putin accountable for his war crimes. And we canât credibly do that unless you also go through a process in which these things are adjudicated at places like the International Criminal Court and the International Court of Justice.â
âAnd by the way,â the US can say, âwe also care very passionately about the hostages. And we know the only way to save the lives of these remaining hostages is by ending the war in a ceasefire because those hostages are also people in Gaza. So, if youâre starving Gaza and youâre bombing Gaza, youâre impairing the lives of the people in Gaza. And the only way to save their lives is by ending the war and having a ceasefire.â
And this, I think, would be the moral step for the US to take. And I think it would be in Americaâs self-interest, but it would also just be an act of self-respect by the Biden administration. This Biden administration, which for weeks and months now, has been basically tiptoeing around telling reporters theyâre unhappy and saying, âpretty please we really hope that Netanyahuââthis is not how Benjamin Netanyahu works! Really? Are these people still so naive about this guy after all of those years since that meeting with Bill Clinton? This guy who in 2001 was caught on tape saying to Israeli settlers, âAmerica is something that can be moved easily.â Thatâs how Netanyahu thinks about American presidents. And you know what? The Biden administration is proving him right. As a matter of self-respect, if nothing else, the United States needs to say that it will not continue to be complicit in a war that it believes is morally wrong, and that it believes will undermineânot improveâthe safety and security of Israelis. And this dropping of humanitarian aid from the air is a way of refusing to confront that fundamental need to assert Americaâ self respect.
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Our Zoom call this week will be at the usual time: Friday at Noon EST.
Our guests will Dr. Lina Qassem-Hassan, the Chairperson of the Board of Directors of Physicians for Human Rights Israel and Guy Shalev, the organizationâs Executive Director. Theyâll talk about the unfolding public health catastrophe in Gaza.
Paid subscribers will get the link this Tuesday and the video the following week. Theyâll also gain access to our library of past Zoom interviews with guests like Rashid Khalidi, Thomas Friedman, Ilhan Omar, Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, and Bret Stephens.
Sources Cited in this Video
US officials tell the New York Times that Israel canât destroy Hamasâ military capacity.
Mouin Rabbani on why Israel canât win the war.
Jean-Pierre Filiu on Israelâs attacks on Gaza in the 1950s.
David Shipler on Israelâs initial support for Hamas.
Hamas recruits from families of people Israel has killed.
Benjamin Netanyahuâs plan to reduce the size of the Gaza Strip.
Israel announces it will build thousands more housing units in the West Bank.
Professor Heba Gowayed on Palestinian resistance.
Things to Read
(Maybe this should be obvious, but I link to articles and videos I find provocative and significant, not necessarily ones I entirely agree with.)
In Jewish Currents (subscribe!), I wrote about the campaign to abolish UNRWA.
For the Foundation for Middle East Peace, I interviewed UNRWAâs former Spokesman and Director of Strategic Communications, Chris Gunness.
Given my last newsletter about Abraham Joshua Heschelâs moral fury during the Vietnam War, I thought it might be useful to highlight rabbis and other Jewish leaders who are taking similar stands about Gaza today. If you have anyone to suggest, let me know. Here is British Rabbi Jonathan Wittenberg, who declared on February 13 that an Israeli invasion of Rafah âmay haunt us, and the good name of Israel and the Jewish People, for generations.â
Jon Stewartâs on Joe Bidenâs rhetoric about Israeliâs war.
Zaid Jilani argues that Palestinian activists could draw broader support with different rhetoric.
Ayelet and Paul Waldman on their fatherâs liberal Zionism.
An Australian studentâs Go Fund Me to evacuate her family from Gaza.
An online discussion on March 6 with Professor Geoffrey Levin about the history of American Jewish dissent over Israel.
Iâll be speaking virtually at Southern Connecticut State University on March 4 and in person on March 6 at the University of Texas at Austin.
See you on Friday at Noon,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
So, I would like to believe, I would really like to believe that drawing peopleâs attention to the horror in Gazaâthe absolute horror in Gaza, whatâs happening to ordinary peopleâcould convince the leadership in my community, in the Jewish community, and most American politicians, to oppose this war. But the harsh reality is that for many of the most powerful people inside the American Jewish community, and for many in American politics as well, there is only one metric that matters. And that metric is the safety of Israeli Jews. Essentially, any number of Palestinian deaths are acceptable if it produces an increased safety for Israeli Jews. Thatâs essentially the equation that leads the American Jewish establishment to continue to support this war, even as the number of people who are dying and wounded and displaced goes up and up and up.
So, I want to accept that framework for the purpose of this video. Itâs not my view, but I want to argue in those terms because, frankly, I think those are the only terms that for many people who matter will reach them. And the argument that I want to make is that this war will make Israel less safeânot more safe but less safe. And I want to start with a massive concession. I want to imagine that Israel in this war can destroy Hamas. Now, by the way, US officials say thatâs not possible. Palestinian commentators say itâs not possible. Even some Israeli officials are saying itâs not possible within their lifetime. But I want to grant this for the sake of argument. I want to grant that Israel can destroy Hamas and eradicate it. And still, I want to argue that Israel is going to end this war less safe than it began.
And the first thing for people who find that hard to believeâwhat I would really encourage them to do isâlook around at what Palestinians are saying. Listen to what Palestinians are saying. See if you can find a single credible Palestinian commentator on Palestinian politics and on this war who believes that destroying Hamas would make Israel safer. I suggest that you will have an extremely difficult time finding a single reputable Palestinian commentator who says that destroying Hamas, if that were even possible, would make Israel safer. Now, why is that? Because Palestinians recognize that Palestinians do not resist Israel because of Hamas. They began resisting Israel long before Hamas was even created and Palestinians resist Israel because Palestinians are not free.
And to illustrate this point, I want to go back to a period in time long before Hamas was created. This comes from an essay called âThe Twelve Wars on Gazaâ by a French academic name Jean-Pierre Filiu. And he writes about the early 1950s. So, most of the people in Gaza are from the families of refugees. Most of them were expelled from Israel during Israelâs war of independence. Many can actually see the lands from which their families were expelled or fled in fear. So, from the very, very beginning of Israelâs creation, Palestinian refugees, especially in Gaza where thereâs such a high percentage of refugees, have been trying to return back to their homes. And since literally the first years of Israelâs creation, Israel has been going in and invading Gaza because itâs a problem. Again, 25 years before Hamas was created in the late 1980sâthis is the early 1950sâIsrael was going in militarily to Gaza because Gaza represented a threat to Israel. And the fundamental threat it represented was all of these refugees who wanted to return.
So, Filiu talks about an incident in 1953 when a young Ariel Sharon comes in with a group of commandos and kills 20 people in a refugee camp in Gaza. In 1953! Because the fundamental problem, then as now, was not the particular Palestinian resistance organization. There have been many. It was the fact that Palestinians were crowdedâparticularly in Gazaâcrowded into this territory, this extremely overcrowded, extremely poor, burdened territory, and they wanted to return to their homes. And, so thatâs why, if you look at the armed resistance in the 1970s by Palestiniansâincluding terrible acts of violence against Israeli civilians, the Munich Olympics attack, the Maâalot massacre on children in 1974, the airline hijackingsânone of them were done by Hamas because Hamas didnât exist. None of them were even done by Islamists. They were largely done by leftist and nationalist Palestinian factions. And that is part of the reason, indeed, that Israel in the late 1980s was actually sending money to the Muslim Brotherhood, the precursor of Hamas in Gaza, because they thought, given their experience with leftist and nationalist groups, that they could not imagine that a Palestinian Islamist group would be more radical. They assumed that it had to be more moderate because they had endured so much armed resistance from Palestinian leftist and nationalist factions. Because the reason for the resistance didnât have to do with the particular ideology or name of the Palestinian resistance organizations. It was because Palestinians had been dispossessed and were fighting against their dispossession.
So, you destroy Hamas. Letâs imagine. And Iâm talking to people who only care about Israeli Jewish safety here. You destroy Hamas. And what then? We know that Hamas recruits from the families of people that Israel has killed, right? So, some future Palestinian groupâgive it whatever name you want, think about whatever ideological predisposition it might haveâit will almost certainly do the same thing. And think about how many potential recruits there are now. Not only do you have a population of people who are of refugees, who have been seeking to return to their homes since 1948, who have been repeatedly traumatized by Israeli attacks over the years, but now you have a population, 90% of whose homes have been destroyed. Every single person in Gaza will have family or close friends who have been killed in this war. People will see their homes, their entire neighborhoods destroyed. Just imagineâagain, Iâm talking to only you people who care about Israeli Jewish safetyâthink about the desire for revenge that will produce among Palestinians. You donât think that Palestinians will create another organization based on trying to fight back, indeed using violence, given the extreme unimaginable violence that Palestinians have now suffered. Netanyahu says he wants to de-radicalize Gaza. I mean, itâs absolutely a sick joke to think that what youâre gonna get out of this horror is de-radicalization.
Now, maybe it would be possible to imagine that if Palestinians could be convinced that giving up armed resistance, indeed, working with Israel to prevent armed resistance, could bring them closer to freedom. Maybe not for refugee return, but at their own state, self-determination, human rights, the right to govern their own lives. If Palestinians believe that, perhaps even given this horror, you might be able to imagine that Palestinians would say, you know what, armed resistance is not the way to go.
But hereâs the problem: that weâve run this experiment. Weâve seen this movie. In the West Bank, Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority have been doing exactly that. Theyâve been cooperating with Israel, collaborating with Israel to prevent armed resistance from the West Bank for almost 20 years. And you know what? Theyâve been pretty darn successful at it. And what have Palestinians seen that they have gotten out of that cooperation, that collaboration that is skewing of armed resistance? More and more settlement growth thatâs forced them into smaller and smaller little kind of ghettos in the West Bank, little cantons with Israel controlling all the territory in between, and more and more settler violence, right? Youâd be very, very hard pressed to find any Palestinian who believes that strategy would work, right? Especially given what the Israeli government is now saying about what they want to do after this war, right? Theyâre not saying that if Palestinians did absolutely everything right, they might move towards statehood, right? In fact, Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel, for more than 15 years now, have had a government that is explicitly opposed to Palestinian statehood. And now, the Israeli government is saying it wants to actually create a buffer zone that makes the Gaza Strip smaller, that crowds people in Gaza into smaller and smaller territories, probably an even harsher blockade that will make any prospect of genuine reconstruction out of this absolute catastrophe impossible, right?
And, of course, Israelâs also just announced another big new increase in settlement growth in the West Bank. Given these circumstances, why would any reasonable person believe that what comes after Hamasâif there is an âafter Hamasââwould be more moderate, would be less likely to use armed resistance against Palestinians? If you think of Palestinians as normal people who want their freedom and who, when they see their family members killed, many of them theyâre gonna be inclined to want to take revenge, nothing about what we see would lead to the likelihood of a more moderate group post-Hamas.
And I want to end by quoting Heba Gowayed, whoâs a sociology professor at CUNY, who I thought made this statement very effectively. She said, âPalestine is as diverse as its Palestinian resistance. It has been Arab socialists and Marxists. It has had Christian leadership. It has been secular and Islamist. Hamas does not begin Palestinian resistance, nor does the resistance end with them. It ends only with a free Palestine.â And I would just add that since Palestinian resistance is inevitable because resistance to oppression is human, if you want Palestinians to resist that oppression in ways that are ethical, in ways that are in conformance with international law, which do not lead to the killing of Israeli civilians, you need to show Palestinians that that kind of ethical and legal resistance works. You need to support forms of boycott, and sanctions, and conditions of military aid, and efforts at the International Criminal Court, and efforts at the International Court of Justice, and things like the largely non-violent Great March of Return. The more you fear armed Palestinian resistance, the more you should be supporting nonviolent, ethical Palestinian resistance.
Israel, historically, has never been able to imagine that the Palestinian group it was fighting at that moment was not the worst enemy it could ever face. But it has a history of, by wreaking catastrophic devastation, it has created enemies that prove to be worse. In the early 1980s, it couldnât imagine anything worse than in the PLO. It went into Lebanon, destroyed large parts of Lebanon, and laid the foundation for Hezbollah. It couldnât imagine anything worse in Gaza than the PLO either. It supported the creation of, and helped the creation of, Hamas. And now it canât think of anything worse than Hamas. But you want to know what frightens me? And Iâm speaking here to those people who only care about Israeli Jewish lives. You know what frightens me more than Hamas? And Hamas frightens me. As someone who cares passionately about Israeli Jewish life, Hamas certainly frightens me. What frightens me more is what comes after Hamas, given the unimaginable violence and destruction that Israel has now committed in Gaza.
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Sources Cited in this Video
Benjamin Netanyahu orders the Israeli military to make plans to invade Rafah.
Life in Rafah.
Starvation in Gaza.
Edward Kaplanâs biography of Abraham Joshua Heschel, Spiritual Radical.
I searched the following X (Twitter) accounts (@AIPAC, @ADL, @AJCGlobal, @StandWithUs, @OrthodoxUnion, @OUAdvocacy, @RCArabbinical, @URJorg, @JTSVoice, @HUCJIR, @Conf_of_Pres, @jfederations, @HillelIntl, @RRC_edu, @YUNews, @HolocaustMuseum, @simonwiesenthal) of establishment American Jewish political and religious Jewish institutions to see if any of them had used any of the following words or phrases (âRafah,â âfamine,â âstarvation,â âstarve,â âamputate,â âamputee,â ârubble,â âdisease,â âcholera,â âdiarrhea,â âbread,â âwater,â âhumanitarian disasterâ) since October 7, 2023. None had.
Things to Read
(Maybe this should be obvious, but I link to articles and videos I find provocative and significant, not necessarily ones I entirely agree with.)
In Jewish Currents (subscribe!), Alex Kane writes about the buffer zone Israel is building inside the Gaza Strip.
Marshall Ganz recounts being investigated for antisemitism at Harvard.
A rabbinical student challenges American Jewish leaders for supporting the war.
The father of a Palestinian-American stabbing victim challenges Joe Biden.
On March 6, Iâll be speaking at the University of Texas at Austin.
See you on Friday at Noon,
Peter
VIDEO TRANSCRIPT:
So, Benjamin Netanyahu has reportedly asked the Israeli military to begin planning its invasion of Rafah. Now, Rafah is this tiny little area of the Gaza Strip right up against the border with Egypt, which was already incredibly overcrowded before October 7th. It had 275,000 people in a very small area. It now has 1.4 million peopleâ more than half of the population of the Gaza Stripâliving there because people have been forced from the rest of the Gaza Strip. Many of those people are living in tents. They donât have access to fresh water, many of them. They donât have access to food. Many are eating one meal a day. There have been outbreaks of Hepatitis C, scabies, lice. There are very few showers or toilets; episodes of diarrhea and cholera. A hundred people are dying a day from Israeli attacks, according to reports. And Israel hasnât even begun the real invasion yet. And this is what Alex DeWaal, whoâs an expert on famine at Tufts University, recently said about living conditions in Gaza. He said, âthere is no instance since the Second World War in which an entire population has been reduced to extreme hunger and destitution with such speed.â
And so, now Netanyahu wants to send the Israeli military in there. And the people, he says, are going to be told to go somewhere else where theyâll supposedly be safe. But there is no safe place in Gaza. Israel is attacking everywhere. And these people have no homes to go to because most of the buildings have been destroyed. And thereâs no food. And there are no hospitals, right? And Netanyahu says itâs necessary because theyâre supposedly 4 Hamas battalions still in Rafah. What about the 400 Hamas battalions, or battalions of some future Palestinian army, that are going to be created because of the hatred and fury and revenge that is being created among Palestiniansâparticularly young Palestiniansâseeing their people being slaughtered at this massive, massive pace, right?
So, a professor I know and admire emailed me and urged me to try to do something about this impending, you know, invasion of Rafah. And I thought, you know, what the f**k can I do? I feel totally powerless, you know, in many ways. But then I found myselfâso kind of just in frustration, I picked up Edward Kaplanâs wonderful biography of Abraham Joshua Heschel, which is called Spiritual Radical, just looking for some kind of solace. And I want to be clear: I donât know what Abraham Joshua Heschel would be doing if he were alive. He died in 1972. He was a lover and supporter of Israel, although his daughter Susannah Hashel has said that near the end of his life he did start to speak out on behalf of Palestinians, and with very strong criticism of what Israel was doing with him. Iâm not making a claim about what Abraham Joshua Heschel would have done. What I would like to do is say something about what perhaps we might do in this moment of profound moral crisis inspired by his example.
Now, Heschel has been made into a saint like Martin Luther King. And people who are made into saints get sanitized, right? The hard edges get kind of sawed off. But in fact, if you look back at what Heschel did in his opposition to the Vietnam War, it was very raw and it was very controversial, including inside the Jewish community. The FBI were monitoring the protests he was involved in. They were claiming that they were going to arrest communists in those protests. And Heschel was involved in protests at which they were communists. Jewish leaders and the Israeli government itself asked him to stop his anti-Vietnam activism because they claimed they feared it might undermine American support for Israel. The majority of Heschelâs colleagues at the Jewish Theological Seminary, according to Kaplan, disassociated themselves from his anti-war activism. And yet, Heschel did it.
And in reading the relevant chapters of Kaplanâs book, one line particularly struck me. And itâs from an essay that Heschel wrote in 1966 called âThe Moral Outrage of Vietnam.â And he writes, âit is weird to wake up one morning and find that we have been placed in an insane asylum.â And honestly, when I look at the organized American Jewish communityâthe community that in many ways I am very much a part of in my daily lifeâI think Iâm living in an insane asylum. Itâs not an insane asylum where people are screaming. Itâs an insane asylum precisely because people are not screaming, because of the kind of the profound and utterly frightening silence that you see from so many Jewish institutions, if not active enthusiastic support for this horrifying, horrifying slaughter in which people are being reduced to literal starvation and death because of the actions of a Jewish state.
And Heschel was not a pacifist. And he certainly was not someone who romanticized communism. He did not romanticize the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese, but he made a point again and again, which is very, very important for this time. Which is that although he could see evil in communism, and indeed in Americaâs enemies in Vietnam, as Iâm sure he would have been able to see evil in Hamas and what it did on October 7th, he did not believe that evil was restricted to Americaâs enemies. He believed that evil was also something that was potentially always present in all human beings, including Americans. And so, he argues that if America could not defeat the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong without destroying Vietnamese society, then the war itself was evil, that no war was worth fighting at that cost.
And what was extraordinary about him was even though this was a man who was born as a Polish Hasid, who was as far culturally from Vietnamese people as you could possibly imagine, he had this capacity, this incredible moral imagination to identify with them, to see them in his mindâs eye, and to always insist that G-d was there with them in their agony. So, he said that âwhenever I open the prayer bookââthis is Heschel, the siddurââI see before me images of children burning from napalm.â He could not pray literally because he was tortured by these images of people that he had never met, whose language he did not speak. He said in the moral outrage of Vietnam, âG-d is present whenever a man is afflicted and humanity is embroiled in every agony wherever it may be.â He was tortured by the suffering of people in Vietnam.
And beyond that, he was tortured by his fears of G-dâs judgment on Americans for what Americans were doing. I think because perhaps he had lost so many of his family in the Shoah, he was tortured by human beingsâ ability to look away in the face of evil. And he said in an anti-war speech in Washington in 1967, âwe are startled to discover how unmerciful, how beastly we ourselves can be. So we implore thee, our Father in heaven, help us to banish the beasts from our hearts. The beast of cruelty. The beast of callousness. In the sight of so many thousands of civilians and soldiers slain, injured, crippled, of bodies emaciated, a forest destroyed by fire, G-d confronts us with this question: where art thou?â And he saw this callousness, this ability to look away, to live privileged lives where others were suffering so terribly at the hands of our government. He saw it as godlessness, as blasphemy. He said at an anti-war rally in 1968 that âG-dâs voice is shaking heaven and earth, and man does not hear the faintest sound. The Lord roars like a lion. His word is like fire, like a hammer breaking rocks to pieces. And people go about unmoved, undisturbed, unaware.â
And he did not spare Jews from these kinds of moral questions. Even though this was an atrocity, a war that was being committed by America, not by a Jewish state. He also spoke to his fellow Jews. In 1968, before that rally, he spoke to an audience of reform Jews, of rabbis, and he saw the hall was largely empty. And he said, âwhy are there so few of us here?â And then he said, âwhere are our Jews? We cannot limit the religious conscience. Isnât the word rachmones, which means compassion, isnât the word rachmones Jewish?â And he went on: âthe Vietnamese are our Jews. And we as Americans are letting them die needlessly. Where are our Jews?â I think that statement had, at that moment for Heschel, a double meaning. What it meant was that wherever people are in agony, and facing death, and facing indeed something that is close at least to genocide, that those peopleâin some sense for Heschelâthose people are Jews. And secondly, he meant, âwhere are our Jewsâ in that if our community is not fighting against that kind of horror, then our Jews are not there. Then Jewishness itself is not present in us. Then something Jewish has been lost in us.
I did a search on Twitterâyou can do these thingsâwhere I put in the Twitter accounts of a large number of establishment American Jewish organizations, religious and political. And then I put in a whole series of terms. Terms that reflect the horror of whatâs happening. Terms like âRafah.â Terms like âamputee.â Terms like âstarvation.â Terms like âfamine,â ârubble,â âdisease,â choleraââI have a whole list in the emailâto see if these institutions had even acknowledged on their Twitter feeds the horror thatâs going on. There was not a single source that it brought up.
There are many individual rabbis and Jewish leaders that Iâm thinking of as I record this video. Iâm not going to say their names in public. But if you are one of those people, or you know those people or people who are in those positions, I would implore you to ask yourself about whether you are walking in the footsteps that Abraham Joshua Heschel treaded during the Vietnam War. There are American Jews, it seems to me, people like Rabbis4Ceasefire, who are doing exactly that. And people sometimes want to discount them. They donât look, many of them, like Abraham Joshua Heschel. They donât have long beards and an Eastern European accent. It doesnât matter. I think Heschel would have been the first to say it doesnât matter. What matters is that they are tortured, they are tortured, by what a Jewish state is doing to human beings who were created in the image of G-d and they want to stop it. And so, for those in our community, those in leadership in our community who are not doing so because maybe theyâre afraid for their jobs, and maybe theyâre afraid for their social standing, or maybe they just are doing other things, I donât know, I would just urge you to think about the question that Heschel asked when he saw that empty room of rabbis in 1968 on the eve of anti-war activist rally against Vietnam, and he said: âwhere are our Jews? Where are our Jews?â
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