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Learning Technologies London is Europe's leading showcase of organisational learning and the technology used to support learning at work. John Helmer visited the show and talked to a rich mix of the most interesting people he found there: the analyst, the ingenue, the philosopher, the CLO, the keynoter, the vendor, the budget holder and the pirate (yarr!). The result is a snapshot of the industry, and a deep dive into key themes and insights shaping the future of the learning profession.
00:00:00 - Start 00:00:48 - Intro 00:03:01 - Adam Lacey 00:08:19 - Hannah Frame 00:20:12 - Julian Stodd 00:29:42 - Paul Matthews 00:37:44 - Thimon de Jong 00:51:38 - Lauren Waldman 01:02:44 - Egle Vinauskaite 01:16:06 - Dani Johnson 01:27:31 - David Perring 01:46:16 - Caroline Ford 02:19:52 - Don Taylor 02:30:21 - End
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An award-winning learning designer reflects on 30 episodes of our sister podcast, Great Minds on Learning.
This episode features a deep dive into the history of learning theory with Leonard Houx, Director of Learning Design at the Cambridge Education Group. Host John Helmer and Houx embark on an intellectual journey through the evolution of educational philosophy, touching on the contributions of ancient Greeks, German idealists, and the foundational concepts of modern education systems.
00:00:00 - Start 00:00:36 - Intro 00:03:12 - Reflections on Great Minds on Learning 00:10:22 - The Greeks 00:39:02 - Separating the knower from the known 00:53:28 - The German Idealists 01:10:47 - Hegel & recognition 01:20:07 - Previewing next season of Great Minds on Learning 01:32:19 - EndSponsor event:
Celebrating its 25th year, the Learning Technologies conference & exhibition 17-18 April 2024 is Europe’s leading workplace learning event. Register today at https://www.learningtechnologies.co.uk/
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What does the intense focus on AI in learning today have to say about the future of L&D?
Don Taylor is a well-recognised commentator and thinker in the fields of workplace learning and supporting technologies. He speaks world-wide, and has chaired the Learning Technologies Conference in London since 2000. His annual L&D Global Sentiment Survey, started in 2014, provides a unique perspective on L&D trends from over 100 countries, asking the question, what’s going to be hot in L&D? No surprise, perhaps, that the answer this year was AI. But the scale of the vote for AI was unprecedented, and raises serious questions about the future of L&D.
00:00 - Start 01:06 - Intro 03:39 - An unprecedented survey result 06:07 - Has any other tech ever dominated the survey quite so much? 08:42 - How has the sentiment about AI changed over time? 21:13 - Are we on the verge of a ‘correction’ to AI enthusiasm? 28:37 - What does the survey tell us about L&D challenges? 32:27 - With all the focus on AI, what are we NOT focusing on? 36:38 - Preview of Learning Technologies Ex & Conf, London 45:56 - Who does Don draw inspiration from? 51:30 - EndSponsor event:
Celebrating its 25th year, the Learning Technologies conference & exhibition 17-18 April 2024 is Europe’s leading workplace learning event. Register today at https://www.learningtechnologies.co.uk/
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The Mindtools visualization of GSS over time: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/gent-ahmetaj_lndtrends-data-ai-activity-7165807077620195328-SftU
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Turning uncertainty from a problem into an opportunity.
We are living in a time of great uncertainty. Economies are still suffering the effects of Covid. Countries that are home to nearly half the world's population will hold elections in 2024. Meanwhile the climate is going mad, and geopolitics seem balanced on a knife edge. How do we cope with all this uncertainty in our personal and working lives? Katherine Templar Lewis and Sam Conniff are uncertainty experts, who bring their learning in neuroscience, psychology, history and social entrepreneurship to bear in helping organizations and individuals improve uncertainty tolerance.
0:00:00 - Start 00:00:31 - Intro 00:03:16 - Is uncertainty more than just a trend? 00:12:23 - Where does all this uncertainty come from 00:20:42 - How can we deal with uncertainty? 00:30:09 - Is AI increasing uncertainty? 00:38:22 - Be more pirate to profit from uncertainty 00:44:45 - Practical advice for coping with uncertainty 01:02:12 - EndSponsor event:
21st March is World Learning Content Clean-up Day: https://www.anewspring.com/articles/introducing-world-learning-content-cleanup-day
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In the age of AI, what do we need humans for?
The latest advances in AI are highlighting human capabilities, and particularly shortcomings, in a way that causes us once again to re-evaluate what it is to be human. Rob Hubbard is Founder of LearningAge Solutions, an award-winning provider of digital learning services that practices what it calls human-centred learning. What exactly does that mean in the age of AI – and what does the future, for people who want to continue to work and provide value in the learning industries, look like?
00:00 - Start 00:31 - Intro 03:06 - What does he mean by ‘Human-centred Learning’? 11:13 - What is technology telling us about our strengths & weaknesses as humans? 23:45 - Mindfulness and attention 27:11 - Human thinking vs machine thinking 31:00 - Dealing with the shortcomings of technology 41:45 - Advice for employees in the new future of work 52:16 - Who does he follow? 57:41 - EndSponsor event:
21st March is World Learning Content Clean-up Day: https://www.anewspring.com/articles/introducing-world-learning-content-cleanup-day
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Does the way we talk about learning improve our understanding – or hold it back?
The language of learning is charged with resonant abstract nouns that mobilize professionals around new ideas and concepts. But are these concepts really so new in all cases – and do they provide a focus for practical action? To what extent is the debate driven by the commercial imperatives of Learntech vendors rather than the real needs of employees and students? Peter Manniche Riber is Head of Digital Learning at Novo Nordisk, Europe's most valuable company, and a formidable critic of this 'buzzword bingo'. He talks to John Helmer about the language of learning. Does it help or hinder?
00:00:00 - Start 00:00:33 - Intro 00:03:19 - Is the language we use in learning fit for purpose? 00:09:06 - Peter’s Top 3 buzzword dislikes 00:12:34 - Drilling into those top 3 buzzword hates 00:26:17 - Digital Transformation 00:36:35 - Gamification 00:38:41 - GenAI and the language of learning 00:49:51 - The language of L&D 01:05:42 – EndSponsor event:
AI & Training Design Masterclass with Dr. Philippa Hardman presented by aNewSpring, sign up at: https://hubs.la/Q02f-8PZ0Follow Peter
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Can business professionals perform better with improv skills?
We admire great improvisers in music (Charlie Parker, Jimi Hendrix, etc.) while tending to be suspicious of leaders in business and government who seem to be 'making it up as they go along'. But are we right to think that way? Berlin-based Belina Raffy runs a consultancy and training company that helps people in organisations develop improvisation ability. She’s lived in many different countries including the UK, and worked in Finance before finding her vocation as a learning person. Institutions she has studied at include Ithaca College New York, the Chinese University in Hong Kong and Cranfield School of Management. Does this peripatetic early life, we wanted to find out, perhaps hold the key to her skills as an improviser?
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00:33 - Intro
03:10 - What use is improv to serious business people?
11:04 - How relevant are her exercises to the working situation?
21:27 - Leadership, improv and integrity
27:38 - Theoretical underpinnings of improv?
39:59 - Belina’s journey in learning
50:47 - EndSponsor event:
AI & Training Design Masterclass with Dr. Philippa Hardman presented by aNewSpring, sign up at: https://hubs.la/Q02f-8PZ0
Book mentioned in the discussion:
The Dawn of Everything. (2023, August 24). In Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dawn_of_Everything
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What is the best approach to using AI for learning in an organisation?
My guest this time on the Learning Hack thinks that it’s really important to know what problem you are trying to solve with AI in order to use it effectively for learning. The product has to come before the product. Egle Vinauskaite is the award-winning director of the learning innovation consultancy Nodes. Her expertise in learning, behavioural science, and technology has made her a sought-after edtech advisor by top startups and blue-chip companies. In this fascinating discussion, Egle describes how AI is ushering in entirely new ways of doing things in the world of learning and edtech.
00:33 - Intro
02:47 - What is ‘product mindset’?
11:22 - How well does the interface between buyers and sellers function?
22:17 - Generative AI and learning
40:01 - Egle’s journey in learning
46:56 - EndSponsor event:
AI & Training Design Masterclass with Dr. Philippa Hardman presented by aNewSpring, sign up at: https://hubs.la/Q02f-8PZ0
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Ethan Mollick: https://mgmt.wharton.upenn.edu/profile/emollick/
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BONUS EPISODE: A talk by John Helmer recorded at the New Learning Conference, Netherlands.
Podcasts are everywhere, and have become recognised as a powerful information medium. But can a podcast really cut the mustard as a learning experience? This talk by John Helmer of the Learning Hack podcast, given as a 'live podcast session' at the Next Learning event, provides some answers. John looks at the learning theory around audio learning, practical considerations for using podcasts in an organisational (or institutional) context, and examples of podcasts being used to teach skills and support people in their learning.
- Introduction to podcasts for learning
- What the literature says
- The eye versus the ear
- Cognitive load
- Drawbacks & caveats
- The affective domain
- Practical exercise: sleep and learning (Stickgold & Walker)
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What can horses and brain damage teach us about learning?
Sarah Ratcliff is an award-winning Learning Consultant, Speaker, and Ambassador for Learning, with over twenty years experience in the industry. She is currently a spokesperson for the learning provider Cegos, and a regular chair for the Learning Technologies conference. In 2020, she earned the esteemed Learning Professional of the Year award from the LPI. She talks to John about how the experiences in her life that have formed her views about learner engagement, including her love of horses and a debilitating head injury.
00:00 - Start 02:52 - How did Sarah get into learning? 09:47 - How do horses inform her view of learning? 14:48 - Her car crash and recovery 23:57 - Learner engagement 26:47 - Are marketing techniques useful for learner engagement? 36:10 - The extended L&D toolkit of today 42:59 - EndFollow Sarah
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'It all started when NASA read our code ...' Jussi Hurskainen is CEO and co-founder of Valamis, a learning systems company with offices in in the US, India, and across Europe, but headquartered in Finland. In a crowded market, Valamis distinguishes itself by the sophisticated way its platform handles data. Jussi tells John about how the product got its start when Nasa engineers read and were impressed by its code – and what it has been like over the last few years running a company whose worforce straddled the Russian border. 00:00 - Start 00:35 - Intro 03:48 - What is Valamis? 05:01 - Market condition in learning technologies 07:19 - How does Valamis differentiate in the crowded mid-market? 11:50 - How does his LXP deal with personalization? 14:33 - What part does AI play in the solution? 17:17 - How have acquisitions featured in the development of the company? 21:11 - Origins of the company 23:29 - Jussi’s learning journey 25:38 - Effects of the Ukraine invasion on Valamis 28:42 - Jussi’s influences 31:04 - End Follow Jussi Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jussihurskainen Website (company): http://www.valamis.com/ X: @jhurska Email: [email protected]
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Lauren Waldman is a learning consultant, educator, and the founder of The Learning Pirate. She is a certified training and development professional and has received qualifications in Neuroscience from Harvard and John Hopkins University, and in Medical Neuroscience from Duke. She works with organizations to create bespoke, scientifically designed learning programs using the latest cognitive and behavioural science. But with whole learning and development departments being laid off currently, she believes the profession faces an existential threat. Could embracing neuroscience help to prevent its demise? 00:00 - Start 00:35 - Intro 03:39 - The Pirate Code 11:00 - Does learning theory conflict with neuroscience 15:34 - What does neuroscience tell us about how possible (or impossible) it is to change the way we think & feel? 17:12 - Is there a serious side to the piracy stuff? 23:26 - Joining Forces With Your Brain 30:06 - Mythbusting 33:30 - How did she get into learning? 42:55 - End Follow Lauren Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauren-waldman-learning-pirate-4666bab Website (company): http://www.learningpirate.com/ X: @LearningPirate YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@learningpirate6046
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Kevin M. Yates is known in the global training, learning, and talent development community as the L&D Detective. He investigates impact and solves measurement mysteries with facts, clues, evidence, and data. His rigorous but pragmatic approach is informed by 25+ years industry experience serving in diverse roles across multiple industries and brands including Grant Thornton, Kantar, McDonald’s, and Meta (Facebook). Kevin talks to John about how he see the current state of learning evaluation in organisations – he's optimistic – and what AI holds for the future of his practice.
00:00 - Start 00:35 - Intro 03:03 - What crimes does the L&D detective detect 05:00 - How did he get his start in learning? 06:26 - Where are we with measurement in L&D? 09:50 - What can and should we measure in learning? 15:01 - Is training that can’t be measured even worth doing? 20:30 - Useful models For measuring learning 26:48 - Is measurement different in an algorithm-driven company? 32:39 - Will AI kill xAPI? 37:16 - Meals in the Meantime 39:57 - Kevin’s inspirations 42:27 - End The Six Disciplines of Breakthrough Learning: How to Turn Training and Development Into Business Results, By Roy Pollock Andrew Jefferson Calhoun Wick https://www.td.org/books/the-six-disciplines-of-breakthrough-learning-3rd-edition Follow Kevin Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinmyates Website (personal): http://kevinmyates.com/ Website (voluntary work) http://mealsinthemeantime.org/ Email: [email protected] X (Twitter): @kevinmyatesContact John Helmer
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With their delivery of humanitarian aid to Ukraine accomplished, Andy and John head back home, retracing their tracks across Northern Europe. In a harrowing interview, John talks to a Ukrainian elearning specialist now based in Germany following the sad death of her husband on the frontline in Bahmut. And in Theorists Corner we feature John Comenius and Eric Kandel. 00:00 - Start 00:44 - Intro 02:39 - TFI Friday 15:29 - Theorists Corner: John Comenius 18:36 - Interview: Yuliia Kovach 28:18 - How Yuliia met Viktor 32:45 - Russia invades 41:49 - Life after Viktor 53:56 - Theorists Corner: Eric Kandel 56:04 - Final update from Run 19 58:59 - Outro Ukraine Fundraiser 2022 More information: http://www.ukrainefundraiser.co.uk Donate: https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/ukrainefundraiser2022 Contact John Helmer X(Twitter): @johnhelmer LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnhelmer/ Website: https://learninghackpodcast.com/ Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/LearningHack
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Arrived in Ukraine, Andy and John deliver their aid to the hospital in Lviv. With the main object of the trip accomplished, they take a walk around the city and assess the mood. John interviews Vladimir Polo, a learntech entrepreneur based in Odesa about what it has been like to run a learning company in a war zone. And, in Theorists Corner we feature Lev Vygotsky and Wilhelm Reich. 00:00 - Start 01:11 - Intro 01:43 - From the border to Lviv 04:47 - Theorists Corner: Lev Vygotsky 06:34 - Fulfilling the Prime Directive 09:48 - Interview: Vladimir Polo 15:00 - Managing a dispersed business from a war zone 21:25 - The invasion and its impact on the company 30:29 - Lviv vibes 32:21 - Theorists Corner: Wilhelm Reich 34:16 - Outro Ukraine Fundraiser 2022 More information: http://www.ukrainefundraiser.co.uk Donate: https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/ukrainefundraiser2022 Contact John Helmer X(Twitter): @johnhelmer LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnhelmer/ Website: https://learninghackpodcast.com/ Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/LearningHack
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Over three episodes we tell the story of what happened when John Helmer hitched a ride with Andy Wooler, chair of Ukraine Fundraiser 2022, to help deliver humanitarian aid to recently bombed Lviv. They chat about the conflict, about learning ... and about the history of the continent they are crossing from West to East. 00:00 - Start 00:44 - Intro 01:32 - JH thoughts before leaving 05:09 - The rehearsal 07:26 - Introducing Theorists Corner 07:47 - Dover 08:23 - Dunkirk 08:34 - Belgium 09:12 - Netherlands 10:07 - Theorists Corner: Huizinga 11:45 - Theorists Corner: Erasmus 14:31 - Adaptive learning & AI 21:15 - Germany 22:44 - Military training 28:07 - Theorists Corner: Ebbinghaus 29:15 - Theorists Corner: Luther 31:25 - Poland 40:30 - Outro Ukraine Fundraiser 2022 More information: http://www.ukrainefundraiser.co.uk Donate: https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/ukrainefundraiser2022 Contact John Helmer X (Twitter): @johnhelmer LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnhelmer/ Podcasts: https://learninghackpodcast.com/ Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/LearningHack
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Oceans cover 71% of the earth’s surface, and a huge workforce crews and manages the ships that sail on them. These people all have to be trained. While learntech companies now largely work across business sectors, there are those whose learning needs are so niche and specific that they call for a specialist. Maritime is such a sector. In this episode, John talks to Raal Harris, Chief Creative Officer at Ocean Technologies Group, a global learntech vendor servicing the Maritime Industry. Raal definitely IS a specialist, and knows the sector inside out. 0:00 - Intro 3:37 - How important is Maritime to global business? 5:37 - How Raal got into the sector 8:38 - Uniqueness in the sector's training 16:52 - Importance of Language Learning 22:48 - Decarbonising Shipping 31:49 - How Ocean came together 38:14 - Differences between learning sectors 51:18 - Where Raal gets his knowledge in learning development Follow Raal Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raal-harris-05827710 Website (company): https://oceantg.com/ Email: [email protected]
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Shell is an organisation in transition. It’s moving from a federated model of training to something more centralized. At the same time it’s bringing together L&D with organizational development, and knowledge management is moving closer to learning as well. And all this is happening against a background of a huge shift in skills needed within the organization as it moves into more sustainable forms of energy alongside its traditional businesses. In this episode, John talks to Jaap Hoogendoorn, VP Learning Solutions at Shell. Jaap leads a large, globally dispersed team of learning professionals in delivering these changes. He talks about the challenges, the progress made, and the effects of the Green Transition on Shell's learning function.
0:00 - Intro 3:51 - Shell and the Green Transition 6:56 - Jaap's background and career journey 10:13 - From federated to centralised learning 20:16 - Has tech helped the change? 24:16 - Uniting L&D and OD 37:56 - Innovative approaches to reskilling 45:32 - Results of the change so far? 50:38 - Where does he draw inspiration from?Follow Jaap
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The 'Jobs To Be Done' approach (or framework) encourages a focus on what your end-user is trying to achieve when they access a product, service or experience. As professor Theodore Levitt puts it: 'People don't want a quarter-inch drill, they want a quarter-inch hole'. John talks to Ger Driesen, Learning Innovation Leader at the learning system provider aNewSpring, about how it can be applied to learning. Could this make for a more learner-centred approach to learning design, or might it raise conflicts with the priorities of organizational development? And what is the role of AI under this framework? 0:00 - Intro 3:24 - Ger's journey in learning 6:36 - The jobs-to-be-done framework 8:57 - How it will affect learning 12:14 - Examples of how the framework specifics work 20:41 - How the framework plays in an organisation 22:29 - The impact on L&D professionals 24:03 - Does AI have a role in this? 26:27 - Where to follow Ger Links An overview blog for JTBD for learning design: https://www.anewspring.com/the-jobs-to-be-done-approach/ A 'why JTBD' blog: https://www.anewspring.com/improve-learning-design-jobs-to-be-done/
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Adaptive learning systems were among the first to use artificial intelligence, creating a subcategory in learntech that has been on a slow burn since the 2010s. With the meteoric rise to prominence this year of AI in the headlines, thanks to ChatGPT and other publicly accessible generative AI tools, does the future now look bright for adaptive learning – or does it risk being swept away in the tsunami of over-hyped hopes and fears that this phenomenon has generated? John talks to Markus Bernhardt, Chief Evangelist of adaptive vendor Obrizum about this and other current topics concerning AI. Markus brings hope, some reassurance, but also further causes for concern about the use of AI in corporates that haven't so far registered in the public debate. 0:00 - Intro 4:51 - Origin of OBRIZUM 5:47 - How AI is used to adapt their learning courses 16:41 - Markus's background 20:05 - Should we rule out ChatGTP for its lack of imagery? 26:47 - What role do human trainers play? 36:28 - Future of corporate learning 41:52 - Risks of AI within corporate learning 48:21 - Where to follow Markus - and who Markus follows Follow Markus: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markus-bernhardt Website (company): http://obrizumgroup.com/
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