Episodes

  • Donald Trump’s ‘migrants eat pets’ claim is the US election’s most viral meme so far. We talk to the journalist who tracked down the source of that story, and an academic investigating the political impact of memes.

    The Economist’s man in Beijing joins us to discuss life as a foreign correspondent. As his posting comes to an end, he reflects on political and cultural change in China, and what it’s like reporting from a country with ever increasing media restrictions.

    We’re also looking at the arms race and personal rivalries at the heart of the artificial intelligence industry, with AI authority Parmy Olson. Plus we get the latest on the TikTok ban appeal and the Observer sale with Lara O’Reilly.

    Guests: Lara O’Reilly, Senior Correspondent, Business Insider; Jonathan Shalit Chair & Founder, InterTalent Rights Group; Baroness Helena Kennedy KC, Chair, Creative Industries Independent Standards Authority; Jack Brewster, Enterprise Editor, NewsGuard; A.J. Bauer, Assistant Professor, Department of Journalism and Creative Media, University of Alabama; David Rennie, Geopolitics Editor, The Economist; Parmy Olson, Tech Columnist for Bloomberg and author of Supremacy: AI, ChatGPT, and the Race that Will Change the World

    Presenter: Katie RazzallProducer: Simon RichardsonAssistant Producer: Lucy Wai

  • The US Department of Justice says it has uncovered a Russian-influence operation recruiting prominent US right-wing influencers to convey its messages. We find out more. In the wake of the Southport stabbings, could more information from police have filled the information vacuum some believe led to the riots? The government’s Independent Reviewer of State Threat Legislation thinks so. He tells us why. As the public inquiry into what happened at the hospital where Lucy Letby murdered seven babies begins, we ask what impact conspiracy theories are having on the ongoing reporting of the story. Plus Jake Kanter from Deadline updates us on the other media stories making the news.

    Guests: Jake Kanter, Investigations Editor, Deadline; Maggie Miller, Cybersecurity Reporter, Politico; Catherine Belton, International Investigative Reporter, The Washington Post; Jonathan Hall KC, UK Government Independent Reviewer of State Threat Legislation; Judith Moritz, BBC North of England Correspondent; James Coney, News projects editor, Sunday Times

    Presenter: Katie RazzallProducer: Simon RichardsonAssistant Producer: Lucy Wai

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  • As the final report of the six-year Grenfell inquiry is published, we explore the way the story has been covered by journalists. We hear about a boom in exports of Korean TV formats and talk to the British journalist who visited the Ukraine-occupied Russian region of Kursk.

    Guests: Ed Daffarn, blogger, Grenfell Action Group; Kate Lamble, Presenter, Grenfell: Building a Disaster; Gary Younge, Presenter, Over The Top Under The Radar podcast; Sophie Barnes, former Deputy News Editor, Inside Housing; Catherine Philp, World Affairs Editor, The Times; Franics Scarr, Russian specialist, BBC Monitoring; Lucas Shaw, Head of Entertainment Coverage, Bloomberg; InSoon Kim, Head of Content, Something Special; Regina Kim, entertainment contributor, Forbes

    Presenters: Katie Razzall and Ros AtkinsProducer: Simon RichardsonAsst Producer: Lucy Wai

  • After the detention in France of Pavel Durov, owner of the controversial Telegram app, we explore what the first arrest of a social media boss means for content regulation and freedom of speech. As a new parliamentary term begins, we find out how the new Labour government is managing the media. Also in the programme, there’s a new Chinese computer game which is breaking records – and revealing details of how the gaming industry is evolving. Plus, satirical outlet The Onion is returning to print. We find out why.

    Guests: Mike Isaac, Tech Correspondent, The New York Times; Steve Rosenberg, Russia Editor, BBC News; Matt Chorley, Presenter, BBC Radio 5 Live; Eleanor Langford, Political Reporter, The i; Keza MacDonald, Games Editor, The Guardian; Frankie Ward, eSports broadcaster; Chad Nackers, Editor, The Onion

    Presenter: Ros AtkinsProducer: Simon RichardsonAssistant Producer: Lucy Wai

  • To many, we're living through a golden age of TV. But behind the rich offerings for consumers lie several growing structural issues, from a market oversupplied by streamers desperate for subscriptions, to the consequences of the US actors and writers strike, to a downturn in the advertising spend that powers the UK industry. Ros talks to a panel of TV big hitters at the Edinburgh International TV Festival. We hear from the Democratic National Convention where Kamala Harris is about to accept her party's nomination for President - all at a time when the candidate is refusing to do media interviews. Plus, after a spate of newspaper closures and high profile resignations, we explore the state of Scottish news media during a tumultuous period in the nation's politics.

    Guests: Chris Curtis, Editor, Broadcast; Stephen Lambert, Chief Executive, Studio Lambert, Andy Harries, CEO, Left Bank Pictures; Claire Lundberg, founder, CTL Scouting; Nicola Shindler, Chief Executive, Quay Street Productions Douglas Fraser, Business and Economy Editor, BBC Scotland; Frank O’Donnell, Senior Partner at Charlotte Street Partners; Karin Goodwin, Co-Editor, The Ferret; Nayeema Raza, Co-Presenter, Mixed Signals Presenter: Ros AtkinsProducer: Simon RichardsonAssistant Producer: Lucy Wai

  • Lorna Woods' thinking was central to the new Online Safety Act, designed to tackle dangerous content online. After the recent riots, which many argue were fomented on social media, the law is being put to the test in the courts. We talk to Lorna alongside Nazir Afzal, former Chief Crown Prosecutor. We also look at the role the traditional media plays in the discourse around immigration with Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, columnist, at The I and Sunder Katwala, Director of the British Future thinktank. We also explore Elon Musk's X platform's new legal action against advertisers, the role of the media lawyer and Andrew Cotter explains the art of Olympic commentary.

    Guests: Nazir Afzal, former Chief Crown Prosecutor; Lorna Woods, Professor of Internet Law, University of Essex; Lara O'Reilly, Senior Correspondent, Business Insider; Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, Columnist, The I; Sunder Katwala, Director, British Future; John Battle, Head of Legal and Compliance, ITN; Gill Phillips, legal consultant and former Editorial Legal Director, The Guardian, Andrew Cotter, broadcaster

    Presenter: Katie RazzallProducer: Simon Richardson

  • We talk to Tom Witherow from The Times who's been tracing where the false claim the Southport attacker is Muslim began, as well as reporters covering the riots on the ground. The Editor of The Sun, Victoria Newton, discusses that paper's coverage of Huw Edwards. What qualities do you need to be a journalist? The National Council for the Training of Journalists say the younger generation lacks confidence when it comes to tasks like cold calling and phone interviews. We find out more. Plus get the latest in the legal battle between Netflix and the alleged subject of its drama, Baby Reindeer

    Guests: Maria Breslin, Editor, The Liverpool Echo; Priyanka Raval, Reporter, The Bristol Cable; Tom Witherow, Reporter, The Times; Stephanie Stacey, Technology Reporter, The Financial Times; Jake Kanter, Investigations Editor, Deadline; Victoria Newton, Editor, The Sun; Laura Adams, Head of the Journalism Skills Academy, National Council for the Training of Journalists

    Presenter: Katie RazzallProducer: Simon Richardson

  • David Silito reflects on Huw Edwards's guilty plea to making indecent images of children, 41 images that had been shared with him by another man on WhatsApp. We look at how the story broke and the challenges of covering it for journalists inside the BBC.

    Katie talks to Channel 4 News’s Krishnan Guru-Murthy. Amid controversy surrounding the BBC’s Strictly Come Dancing show, he secured an exclusive interview with contestant Amanda Abbington about her experiences on the programme. A former Strictly contestant himself, Krishnan talks about the impact the show had on him.

    News emerged last week that Rupert Murdoch is attempting to change his family’s legal trust to preserve the editorial stance of his media outlets after his death. Several of his children are fighting back. Jim Rutenberg, writer at large at The New York Times has been following the family for more than two decades. He got the scoop and he joins us alongside Murdoch biographer Claire Atkinson.

    Also in the programme, Peter White tells us about his new documentary 50/50 Vision and his career as a broadcaster.

    Guests: David Silito, Media and Arts Correspondent, BBC; Krishnan Guru-Murthy, Main Anchor, Channel 4 News; Jim Rutenberg, Writer at Large, The New York Times; Claire Atkinson, biographer of Rupert Murdoch; Peter White, broadcaster and presenter of Radio 4’s In Touch

    Presenter: Katie RazzallProducer: Simon Richardson

  • The trial of five activists who disrupted the M25 in London in 2022 concluded last week with them receiving the longest ever UK sentences for non-violent protest. Summing up, the judge thanked a journalist from The Sun newspaper who provided key evidence after secretly recording a Just Stop Oil meeting. Damien Gayle describes how he navigated reporting restrictions to cover dramatic scenes in court as the defendants attempted to draw attention to their cause. Jack Chapman is a producer who has also been covering the group's tactics in his Channel 4 documentary, Chris Packham: Is It Time to Break the Law? We explore the ethical and legal challenges of following these activists. It's a subject that divides opinion. Meera Selva explains why she feels the media as a whole gets the story wrong.

    Plus we discuss Kamala Harris's social media strategy; the findings of the BBC's annual report and how journalists are covering the Paris Olympics, which start this week.

    Guests: Damien Gayle, Environment Correspondent, The Guardian; Jack Chapman, Producer, Chris Packham: Is It Time to Break the Law?; Meera Selva, CEO, Internews Europe; Mimi Mihailescu, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, University of Bath; Nicole Auerbach, Senior Writer, The Athletic; Max Miller, Sport & Tech Reporter, Broadcast Magazine; Dade Hayes, Business Editor, Deadline

    Presenters: Katie Razzall and Ros AtkinsProducer: Simon Richardson

  • We talk to three journalists who were there when a gunman tried to assassinate Donald Trump. The attack has brought renewed attention on the nature of America’s political discourse and the media’s role. We discuss this too. Katie has been reporting on Strictly Come Dancing as new claims about contestants’ experiences emerge. We talk with an agent whose clients have appeared on the show. Also in the programme, now that Euros are over we hear about the relationship between Gareth Southgate’s team and the journalists covering the campaign.

    Guests: Anna Moneymaker, Photographer, Getty Images; Gary O'Donoghue, Senior North America Correspondent, BBC; Hadriana Lowenkron, White House Reporter, Bloomberg; Jay Caspian Kang, Saff Writer, The New Yorker; Megan McArdle, columnist The Washington Post; Katie Hind, Showbiz Consultant Editor, The Mail on Sunday; Sue Ayton, Co-Founder, Knight Ayton; John Cross, Chief Football Writer, The Mirror; Jacob Steinberg, Football Reporter, The Guardian

    Presenters: Katie Razzall and Ros AtkinsProducer: Simon Richardson

  • In the aftermath of the Labour landslide Roger Mosey, former Editorial Directior of BBC News, accuses broadcasters of spending too much time on 'the kind of trivia that alienates voters.' Should journalism do better? We test the thesis with new research from Dominic Wring of Loughborough University outlining the topics journalists covered most, plus Sam Jeffers from media transparency organisation Who Targets Me explains how the parties used social media and Harriet Line from The Daily Mail tells us how she's going to cultivate contacts to report on the new government.

    Across the channel the French election continues to surprise with the campaign dominated by parties, from left and right, at the farther ends of the political spectrum. Victor Goury-Laffont, Politics Reporter at Politico Europe and Dr Ayala Panievsky from City University explain the challenges for journalism of covering populist campaigns. Also in the programme, we talk to journalist Oz Katerji who arrived at the scene of the missile strike on a children’s hospital in Kyiv, stopped reporting and started helping.

    Guests: Oz Katerji, war correspondent and filmmaker; Roger Mosey, Master of Selwyn College, Cambridge, former Editorial Director, BBC; Dominic Wring, Professor of Political Communication, Loughborough University; Priyanka Raval, Reporter, The Bristol Cable; Dr Ayala Panievsky, Presidential Fellow, City University; Victor Goury-Laffont, Politics Reporter, Politico Europe; Harriet Line, Deputy Political Editor, Daily Mail; Sam Jeffers, Executive Director, Who Targets Me

    Presenters: Katie Razzall and Ros AtkinsProducer: Simon Richardson

  • In the aftermath of his halting debate performance, the editorial boards of some of the major US newspapers have called on Joe Biden to withdraw from the race for re-election. We ask why this issue is only being discussed so widely now, talking to a journalist who raised a comprehensive set of concerns but faced a backlash from others in the media and a former Executive Editor of The New York Times. Also in the programme, we explore how the disappearance of teenager Jay Slater in Tenerife has drawn the attention of online sleuths and the problems this creates for conventional reporters. Plus we hear what it's like reporting from Glastonbury, as well as what Ros and Katie got up to while they were there.

    Craig Oliver, former Downing Street Director of Communications; Jill Abramson, former Executive Editor, The New York Times; Annie Linskey, White House reporter, Wall Street Journal; Nayeema Raza, Co-Host, Semafor’s Mixed Signals podcast; Nick Garnett, Senior Journalist, BBC; Robyn Vinter, north of England correspondent, The Guardian; Craig Jackson, Professor of Psychology, Birmingham City University; El Hunt, Commissioning Editor, The Evening Standard. Presenters: Katie Razzall & Ros Atkins Producer: Simon Richardson

  • On the day Julian Assange is freed, we explore the story of WikiLeaks' unprecedented data releases, how he and the organisation changed the way journalists and newsrooms operate and how these releases ultimately led to his incarceration. Also in the programme, ITV's Julie Etchingham explains the secrets behind chairing prime ministerial debates and Steven Moffat, writer of new comedy drama Douglas is Cancelled, on why he's making journalism his subject.

    Guests: Leila Nathoo, Political Correspondent, BBC; Dominic Wring, Professor of Political Communication, Loughborough University; Jonathan Munro, Deputy Director, BBC News; Julie Etchingham, journalist and moderator, ITV news; James Ball, Political Editor, The New European; Carrie DeCell, senior staff attorney, Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University; Katie Mark, Deputy Editor, The Bureau of Investigative Journalism; Steven Moffat, writer, Douglas is Cancelled.

    Presenters: Katie Razzall & Ros AtkinsProducer: Simon Richardson

  • What's behind the glut of politics podcasts? Hardly a month goes by without a new title being launched, competing with established brands like The New York Times’s The Daily and the wildly popular The Rest is Politics with Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart. We talk to the team behind the latter about the secrets of its success, and the opportunities for journalists who want to break free of the strictures of traditional broadcasting. We also consider their appeal to politicians and reflect on the dominance of the medium by middle aged men. Plus we ask how much influence these platforms ultimately have. Also in the programme, we look at the row engulfing The Washington Post's new British CEO Will Lewis.

    Guests: Baroness Ruth Davidson, Co-presenter, Electoral Dysfunction; Lewis Goodall, Co-host, The News Agents; Tony Pastor, Co-Founder, Goalhanger Podcasts; Adam Fleming, Presenter, Newscast; Nick Hilton, Co-founder, Podot; Vivian Schiller, Executive Director, Aspen Digital

    Presenters: Katie Razzall & Ros AtkinsProducer: Simon RichardsonAssistant Producer: Martha Owen

  • We explore how political scandals unfold across the media and the art of the 'get to know' interview with two journalists who recently interviewed Rishi Sunak. As one of the alleged subjects of the Netflix drama Baby Reindeer sues the streamer for defamation, negligence and privacy violations, we weigh the legal arguments. Also in the programme, new online reality TV formats and how they're challenging the primacy of broadcasters and we look at LGBT representation in Dr Who and BBC dating show I Kissed a Girl.

    Guests: Paul Brand, UK Editor, ITV News; Camilla Tominey, Associate Editor, Daily Telegraph and host, The Daily T Podcast; Dominic Wring, Professor of Political Communication, Loughborough University; Stuart Benjamin, Professor of Law, Duke University; Persephone Bridgman Baker, Partner, Carter Ruck; Hannah Bowler, Senior Reporter, The Drum; Scott Bryan, TV Critic; Sophie Wilkinson, journalist and feature writer

    Presenters: Katie Razzall and Ros AtkinsProducer: Simon Richardson

  • How do we gauge the power of newspapers in this election? Will press endorsements from the mainstream media prove decisive, or does power now stem from corners of the media that are harder to define, boosted by opaque social media algorithms? And as big tech increasingly squeezes the revenue and audiences of news outlets, we talk to the Editor of The Atlantic on how to make journalism pay.

    Andrew Neil, presenter, Times Radio; Caroline Waterston, Editor-in-Chief, The Mirror; Jeffrey Goldberg, Editor in Chief, The Atlantic; Katie Notopoulos, Senior Tech Correspondent, Business Insider

    Presenters: Katie Razzall and Ros AtkinsProducer: Simon RichardsonAssistant Producer: Lucy Wai

  • A week into the election, we explore party control of the media message and the gaffes that happen when things go wrong. We hear live from the Labour battle bus, talk to Boris Johnson's former social media strategist and look at the way the different campaigns are crafting their message on TikTok.

    Guests: Shona Ghosh, Senior Editor, Bloomberg; Martha Lane Fox, former Board Member, Twitter/X; Katy Balls, Political Editor, The Spectator; Sean Topham, Co-Founder, Topham Guerin; Jessica Elgot, Deputy Political Editor, The Guardian; Timandra Harkness, writer and author of Technology is Not the Problem; Sam Jeffers, Executive  Director, Who Targets Me.

    Presenter: Katie RazzallProducer: Simon Richardson

  • At the end of this week Newsnight as we know it comes to an end. From Tuesday, its format will change – and it’ll be shorter too. To discuss the end of an era, Katie and Ros speak to an all-star Newsnight line up: Kirsty Wark, Peter Snow, Michael Crick. They're also joined by Professor Suzanne Franks, who researches changing broadcast news consumption.

    On Saturday, Oleksandr Usyk beat Tyson Fury to become boxing's undisputed heavyweight champion. The high-profile match was held in the Kingdom Arena in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, which has been accused of ‘sportswashing’. Alex Pattle from The Independent reveals what it was like reporting from the event, and Prof Simon Chadwick analyses the Saudi sports investment strategy.

    The actor Scarlett Johansson has accused OpenAI of deliberately copying her voice for its latest chatbot ‘Sky’. OpenAI said that it would remove the voice, but insisted that it was not meant to be an "imitation" of the star. Lawyer Susan Aslan assesses if the actor has a case, and tech journalist Takara Small updates us on the latest AI releases.

    Guests: Kirsty Wark, broadcaster; Peter Snow, broadcaster; Michael Crick, broadcaster; Alex Pattle, Combat Sports correspondent, The Independent; Simon Chadwick, Professor of Sport and Geopolitical Economy, Skema Business school; Takara Small, technology journalist; Susan Aslan, Partner, ACK Media Law.

    Presenters: Katie Razzall and Ros AtkinsProducer: Simon Richardson

  • Katie and Ros go inside the controversy about Netflix drama Baby Reindeer which has raised questions about the impact drama inspired by true events can have on real people. They’ll be helped by Piers Morgan who just interviewed one of the alleged subjects; Clive Coleman, legal expert and dramatist; and Chris Banatvala, former Head of Standards at Ofcom who can explain the rules for these kinds of productions.

    Also in the programme, ahead of the infected blood inquiry publishing its final report on Monday, we speak to Caroline Wheeler who has followed the story for over two decades. We're also joined by Maggie Harrison Dupree, the journalist who broke the story of Sports Illustrated allegedly publishing AI generated stories. Plus, how do you compose an iconic news theme? As the BBC news theme celebrates its 25th birthday, we speak to its composer David Lowe and Victor Vlam, who owns the largest collection of news theme tunes in the world.

    Guests: Piers Morgan, presenter, Piers Morgan Uncensored; Chris Banatvala former Ofcom Director of Standards; Clive Coleman, Partner at Maltin PR and former BBC News Legal Correspondent; Caroline Wheeler, Political editor, The Sunday Times; Maggie Harrison Dupre, tech writer, Futurism; Victor Vlam, Founder, Network News Music

    Presenters: Katie Razzall and Ros AtkinsProducer: Simon Richardson

  • US university campuses have been the scene of pro-Palestinian demonstrations over the last month. We assess the challenges of reporting the protests and hear why student journalists have been crucial to our understanding of the story. We also look at Israel’s ban of Al Jazeera where the government accuses it of being a mouthpiece for Hamas, a charge the network denies. Plus, what’s it like to cover the Met Gala? And how are the media strategies of political parties evolving as we approach a general election in the UK?

    Guests: Pippa Crerar, Political Editor, The Guardian; Ben Riley-Smith, Political Editor, The Daily Telegraph; Leila Nathoo, Political Correspondent, BBC News; Richard Hall, Senior US Correspondent, The Independent; Julia Vargas Jones, Reporter, CNN; Doug MacLeod, Professor, University of Wisconsin–Madison; Jada Yuan, National Culture Writer, Washington Post; Shaina Oppenheimer, Journalist, BBC Monitoring Jerusalem; Mohamed Moawad, Managing Editor, Al Jazeera

    Presenters: Katie Razzall and Ros AtkinsProducer: Simon Richardson