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  • If you listen to podcasts, you’re probably familiar with Andy Mills' work. He was a co-creator of The Daily, the award-winning podcast for the New York Times that attracts millions of listeners each week. He’s also created, produced, and edited Rabbit Hole, Caliphate, and The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling, among others. Andy is a deeply thoughtful, intentionally curious human, and that is readily apparent in his newest show, Reflector, co-created with Matthew Boll.

    We get into a lot in this conversation, like why has storytelling become increasingly political over the last decade? What happens when politics comes to fill a space in society that religion once did? And how do we get to the truth of an event that involves multiple valid perspectives? If there’s a though line here, it’s a call to reject what Andy calls, “The arrogance of certainty.”

    Reflector (Substack) // Reflector (Spotify)

    Rabbit Hole

    The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling

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    Andy Mills: Quitting The New York Times and making 'The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling' - ReasonTV

    Andy Mills on How Curiosity Can Save Journalism -- and Us - Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em Podcast

    Episode 201: Mills Spills (with Andy Mills) - Blocked & Reported

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  • Rob Sarver is a former Navy SEAL. Assigned to SEAL Team 3, he completed seven deployments during his service. Rob's awards and decorations include the Bronze Star Medal with a combat "V" device and oak leaf cluster and the Combat Action Ribbon with a gold star device. Rob is the Co-Founder of Servius Group and serves as the Co-CEO and Co-Founder of The Heroes Journey.

    Alex Gendzier is a partner at a top law firm, where he is involved in veteran’s affairs. At his prior firm, he acted as a senior advisor to the VALOR Group, which provides pro bono legal services to veterans and their families, and where he lead his law firms’ efforts to assist Afghan allies and friends.

    Warrior to Civilian: The Field Manual for the Hero’s Journey, by Rob Sarver & Alex Gendzier

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  • Danny Miranda is the host of The Danny Miranda Podcast and cofounder of Alignment Academy.

    David Perell Interviews Me | The Danny Miranda Podcast 305 - YouTube

    Living In Alignment With Nick Sweeney (Danny's return to the podcast) - YouTube

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  • This is the 3rd Annual Very Special Boxing Day Episode of Where We Go Next, with longtime friend of the show Jay Shapiro.

    We discuss:

    • What Jay's been up to in Madrid over the last year
    • Jay's new book
    • The upcoming addition to the Callahan family
    • Jay & Michael's holiday traditions
    • What we like in a good horror film
    • Jay's Horror Film Recommendation: Funny Games (1997)
    • Michael's Horror Film Recommendation: The Thing (1982)
    • Our shared resolution for 2025
    • ...and more!

    Chasing History and When My World Changed - Dilemma Podcast (YouTube)

    Palestine and the Growing Defiance of the Global South With Vijay Prashad - Dilemma Podcast (YouTube)

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    "Despair less. Cherish more."

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  • To get the most out of The 3rd Annual Very Special Boxing Day Episode, watch The Thing (1982) and Funny Games (1997) by December 26th.

    Thanks for sticking around.

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  • Andy Lapsa is the co-founder of Stoke Space, a reusable rocket company started in 2019 with the knowledge that fully and rapidly reusable rockets represent the inevitable and necessary future of the space industry. Prior to founding Stoke, Andy was one of the original three members of Blue Origin’s BE-4 team, where he held architecture, design, analysis, and development test leadership roles.

    Stoke Space

    Stoke Space Aims to Build Rapidly Reusable Rocket With a Completely Novel Design - Ars Technica

    First-Of-Its-Kind Rocket Engine Nears First Flight Test - Freethink

    How Stoke Space's Unique Rocket Works // Exclusive Tour & Interview - Everyday Astronaut (YouTube)

    Full Reusability By Stoke Space - Everyday Astronaut

    The Pollution Caused by Rocket Launches - BBC

    Air Pollution From Reentering Megaconstellation Satellites Could Cause Ozone Hole 2.0- Space.com

    Radiative Forcing - MIT Climate Portal

    71: Rescuing Animals From the Brink of Extinction, with Forrest Galante - Where We Go Next

    The Risky Rush for Mega Constellations - Scientific American

    Kessler Syndrome- Wikipedia

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  • Harper Carroll is an AI and Machine Learning software engineer and educator known for making complex AI concepts accessible to a wide audience. She has multiple degrees from Stanford University in Computer Science specializing in AI, and industry experience at Meta, working on augmented reality and civic integrity projects. Her online educational content has gained her a following of over 300,000 subscribers on Instagram and YouTube.

    Harper's 10 Days of AI Basics

    AI Avatar Demonstration

    10 Days of AI x Nuclear: AI's Energy Needs

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  • Susan Mulcahy and Frank DiGiacomo are former reporters for The New York Post and co-authors of Paper of Wreckage: The Rogues, Renegades, Wiseguys, Wankers, and Relentless Reporters Who Redefined American Media. Susan worked on Page Six from 1978 to 1985, including three years as editor. She has also written for The New Yorker and The New York Times. Frank worked as a Page Six freelancer in the late 1980s and was its editor from 1991 to 1993. He is currently an executive editor at Billboard.

    The Gossip Behind the Gossip, by Frank DiGiacomo for Vanity Fair

    Confessions of a Trump Tabloid Scribe, by Susan Mulcahy for Politico

    A Tabloid Alum Blasts News to the New York Post Nation, by Susan Mulcahy for The New Yorker

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  • Bertrand Cooper is a writer and education professional based in Los Angeles. Drawing on twenty six years of deprivation and a Master's in Education Theory and Policy, his writing explores the depictions of poverty in society.

    Who Actually Gets to Create Black Pop Culture?, by Bertrand Cooper

    I Escaped Poverty, But Hunger Still Haunts Me, by Bertrand Cooper

    The Failure of Affirmative Action, by Bertrand Cooper

    Is it Possible for Black Creatives to Exploit the Poor? w/ Damon Young & Bertrand Cooper - Bad Faith podcast

    Racecraft: The Soul of Inequality in American Life, by Karen and Barbara Fields

    Blacks See Growing Values Gap Between Poor and Middle Class (2007) - Pew Research Center

    The Devastating Effects of Concentrated Poverty, by Ta-Nehisi Coates

    Architecture of Segregation, by Paul Jargowsky

    Neighborhood Income Composition by Household Race and Income, 1990 - 2009 - Stanford

    Black Boy Fly, by Kendrick Lamar (YouTube)

    Identity Theft, by Zaid Jilani

    Black Jeopardy with Tom Hanks - SNL (YouTube)

    Roger Ebert Speaks Out at a Better Luck Tomorrow Screening - YouTube

    1,000 True Fans, by Kevin Kelly

    Inequality Is High Within the Black Community, by Bertrand Cooper

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  • Salomé Sibonex is a writer, artist, and co-founder of The Black Sheep, a publication that frees people to take the path less traveled. She's given talks at FreedomFest and LibertyCon on how creative freedom allows us all to forge our own path—if we dare.

    The Black Sheep

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  • Harrison Duran is a field paleontologist whose popular social media accounts document his preparation and excavation in the American West. His videography and storytelling convey the work and skill required by paleontology, as well as its significance to our understanding of the natural world. Species which he has excavated and prepared include Triceratops, Edmontosaurus, and Tyrannosaurus rex.

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  • Where We Go Next will be back to its regularly scheduled programming next week. Until then, enjoy this re-release of Episode 68, with the brilliant Richard Reeves.

    Reeves is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, and writes for a wide range of publications, including the New York Times, the Guardian, National Affairs, The Atlantic, Democracy Journal, and Wall Street Journal. His book Of Boys and Men: Why the Modern Male Is Struggling, Why It Matters, and What to Do about It, shows how the basic social structures defining masculine maturity and success have been shattered, and how they can — and must — be reinvented.

    Episode 68: Episode Link & Show Notes

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    (This list could have easily been made with 20 completely different episodes, 3 more times)

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  • Nancy Rommelmann is an investigative journalist, columnist, and author - most recently of To the Bridge: A True Story of Motherhood and Murder. Her work appears in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Reason Magazine, and her Substack, Make More Pie.

    Sarah Hepola is the author of the bestselling memoir, Blackout: Remembering the Things I Drank to Forget. Her work has appeared in the New York Times, The Guardian, the Atlantic, Texas Monthly, and Salon. She is a staff writer at the Dallas Morning News.

    Together, Nancy & Sarah host the Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em Podcast.

    8. What Do Women Want? - Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em Podcast

    The Things I’m Afraid to Write About, by Sarah Hepola for The Atlantic

    On John Wayne Gacy, Actor Michael Chernus, and Why We Do the Work We Do - Make More Pie (Nancy's Substack)

    Was Alice Munro An Art Monster?, by Meghan Daum

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  • Carissa Carter is a designer, geoscientist, and the academic director at the Stanford d.school. She's the author of The Secret Language of Maps: How to Tell Visual Stories with Data, and teaches design courses on emerging technologies, climate change, and data visualization. Her work on designing with machine learning and blockchain has earned multiple design awards, including Fast Company Innovation and Core 77 awards.

    Scott Doorley is a writer, designer, and the creative director at the Stanford d.school. He has overseen everything from books to workspaces to digital products and initiatives focused on the future of learning and design. He co-wrote the book Make Space: How to Set the Stage for Creative Collaboration and teaches courses in design communication. His work has been featured in museums from San Jose to Helsinki and in publications such as Architecture + Urbanism and the New York Times.

    Assembling Tomorrow: A Guide to Designing a Thriving Future

    Stanford d.school (The Hasso Plattner Institute of Design)

    Stanford 2025 - YouTube

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  • Ashlee Vance is a feature writer at Bloomberg Businessweek, host of the innovator-focused travel show Hello World, and the New York Times bestselling author of two books: Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future, and most recently, When the Heavens Went on Sale: The Misfits and Geniuses Racing to Put Space Within Reach, which was the inspiration for his new HBO documentary Wild Wild Space.

    Wild Wild Space - Trailer

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  • Jonathan Turley is a law professor, columnist, television analyst, and litigator. Since 1998, he has held the Shapiro Chair for Public Interest Law at George Washington University Law School. He has served as counsel in some of the most notable cases in the last two decades, representing members of Congress, judges, whistleblowers, five former Attorney Generals, accused spies and terrorists, journalists, protesters, and workers at Area 51. He has written for The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and The Washington Post, and has worked as a legal analyst for CBS, NBC, BBC, and Fox.

    The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage

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  • Meghan Daum is the host of The Unspeakable Podcast, co-host of A Special Place in Hell, the author of six books, and the founder of The Unspeakeasy, a community for free-thinking women who crave honest conversations about subjects that don’t come with easy solutions.

    I Wasn’t Canceled. I Was Problematized.

    Who Killed Creative Writing?

    Was Alice Munro An Art Monster?

    The Problem with Everything: My Journey Through the New Culture Wars

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  • Melissa Kearney is the Neil Moskowitz Professor of Economics at the University of Maryland. She is also Director of the Aspen Economic Strategy Group, a Research Associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research, and a non-resident Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution.

    The Two-Parent Privilege: How Americans Stopped Getting Married and Started Falling Behind

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  • Steve Rathje is a postdoctoral researcher in social psychology at New York University. Broadly, he studies the psychology of technology, and explores how polarization and intergroup conflict interact with social media and artificial intelligence. He is also a science communicator with over one million followers on his psychology TikTok channel.

    steverathje.com

    The Global Social Media Experiment

    Social Identity & Morality Lab

    Heineken: Worlds Apart

    Psychology Experiment on Conformity - Steve's TikTok

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  • Alina Chan is a molecular biologist at the Broad Institute of M.I.T. and Harvard, and a co-author of Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid-19. She was a member of the Pathogens Project, which the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists organized to generate new thinking on responsible, high-risk pathogen research.

    Why the Pandemic Probably Started in a Lab, in 5 Key Points, by Alina Chan for the New York Times

    Jon Stewart on Vaccine Science and the Wuhan Lab Theory - The Late Show with Stephen Colbert

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