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    Kurzportrait von David Brandstätter Gelernter Nachrichtenredakteur; Laufbahn begann 1981 bei der Main-Post in Würzburg mit einem Voluntariat. Nach verschiedenen Positionen in der Redaktion, im Mai 1993 zum Chefredakteur der Zeitungstitel der Mediengruppe Main-Post berufen. Seit Juli 2001 als Geschäftsführer an der Spitze der Mediengruppe. Darüber hinaus seit 2003 Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender der dpa (Deutschlands größter Nachrichtenagentur). Kontaktinformationen Website E-Mail  Mobile Apps Vivino-Wein-Scanner Main-Post ePaper Kickers App Musikempfehlung Guns N'Roses Buchempfehlung Das Ende ist mein Anfang (Tiziano Terzani) - Ebook - Hörbuch - Buch Anselm Grün - Bücher   [et_pb_toggle admin_label="Toggle" title="Podcast in Textform" open="off" use_border_color="off" border_color="#ffffff" border_style="solid"] Norman: Hallo und herzlich willkommen. Schön, dass ihr wieder reinhört. Hier ist Norman von Markerebell FM. Ich freue mich ganz besonders, denn mein Interviewgast heute ist der Würzburger Verlagsmanager David Brandstätter. David, vielen, vielen Dank für Deine Zeit und schön, dass Du heute da bist. Wollen wir loslegen. David: Gerne, wir können loslegen. Norman: David, Du bist gelernter Nachrichtenredakteur und Deine Laufbahn begann 1981 bei der Main Post mit einem Voluntariat. Nach verschiedenen Positionen in der Redaktion wurdest Du im Mai ‚93 zum Chefredakteur der Zeitungstitel der Mediengruppe Mind Post berufen und seit Juli 2001 stehst Du als Geschäftsführer an der Spitze der Mediengruppe und bist darüber hinaus seit 2003 Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender der DPA, Deutschlands größter Nachrichtenagentur. David, das war jetzt nur ein kleiner und kurzer Überblick über Dich. Damit Dich unsere Zuhörer noch ein wenig besser kennenlernen, stell’ Dich doch vielleicht kurz selber noch mal vor und erzähl’ uns ein bisschen mehr über Dich als Privatperson. Wer ist denn David Brandstätter privat? Und was genau Dein Business ist. #0:01:24.8 David: Ja, das mache ich gerne. Ich muss eine kleine Korrektur machen: Ich bin seit 2003 im Aufsichtsrat der Deutschen Presseagentur und seit zwei Jahren dort der Vorsitzende, aber ansonsten hast Du hervorragend recherchiert. Norman: (lacht) Okay. David: Du kannst jederzeit auch bei uns anfangen als Nachrichtenjournalist. Norman: Ja, sehr schön. David: Gerne ein paar Sätze zu mir als Privatperson: Wie würde ich mich beschreiben? Ein 55-jähriger, der den Genüssen des Lebens zugetan ist, gutes Essen und guten Rotwein liebt. Da muss man natürlich schauen, dass man da ein bisschen davon wieder los wird. Insofern treibe ich auch ganz gerne Sport. Im Sommer, vorzugsweise bei dem Wetter, mit dem Rennrad. In der Übergangszeit dann Mountain Bike; wenn es mal Schnee gibt, gerne auch als gebürtiger Österreicher und als Kind der Berge, natürlich muss Skifahren jedes Jahr dabei sein. #0:02:15.2# Und ansonsten habe ich noch ein großes Grundstück - Brachland, am Hang gelegen – zu pflegen. Da ist die Mäharbeit echtes... Norman: ...Herausforderung. David: ...hartes Working, ja absolut. Und das Holz für den Kachelofen mache ich auch weitgehend selber. Insofern, die Mischung als Alternative zum Job ist eigentlich ganz gut, weil der Job ist in erster Linie Schreibtischarbeit. Du hast meinen Werdegang und meine Laufbahn beschrieben. #0:02:43.6# Heute bin ich zuständig für ein Unternehmen, das 125 Mio. Euro Umsatz macht, die Wurzel als regionale Tageszeitung hat. Heute sind wir Gott sei Dank sehr breit aufgestellt, haben eine sehr große Logistiksparte, wo wir 125 Mio. Euro Umsatz machen mit dem wichtigsten Produkt, das wir zustellen. #0:03:02.7# Nach der Zeitung ist der Brief – wir sind dort einer der großen Anbieter, aber wir sind als Medienhaus auf allen digitalen Kanälen unterwegs. Und was sich für uns auszeichnet und uns auch relativ stabil darstehen lässt in schwierigen Zeiten, ist die Tatsache, dass wir sehr viele Dienstleistungen für andere Verlage erbringen. Das heißt, wir drucken sehr viele andere Produkte, andere Zeitungen, andere Anzeigenblätter, andere Magazine. Wir arbeiten im Prepressbereich – also, wenn es darum geht, Anzeigen zu setzen, Anzeigen zu gestalten für viele andere Unternehmen. Da sind so Edelmarken dabei, wie die Zeit oder Handelsblatt oder Wirtschaftswoche. #0:03:42.7# Wir haben ein Kunden Service Zentrum, in dem wir nicht nur unsere eigenen Kunden betreuen, sondern auch beispielsweise die vom Handelsblatt und von etlichen weiteren Unternehmen, auch die Redaktion liefert anderen zu, sodass wir auch ein Dienstleister für andere Unternehmen sind. #0:03:59.7# Norman: Ja, super. Vielen Dank für den kleinen Einblick. Bevor wir einsteigen in das Thema Digitalisierung oder digitale Markenführung, würde ich mit Dir sehr gerne – gerade aus Sicht eines Verlagsmanagers – noch mal das Thema Marke beleuchten. Wie Du vielleicht weißt, beginnen wir unser Interview immer mit einem Glaubenssatz oder Erfolgszitat. Hast Du sowas wie ein Zitat oder so ein Mantra, nach dem Du lebst? #0:04:27.0# David: Ich bin da immer ein kleines Bisschen vorsichtig, aber klar, man hat schon so ein paar Lebenserfahrungen von denen man sagt, dass das eigentlich ganz gut funktioniert. Sehr unspektakulär, aber ich habe eines festgestellt: Was immer Du Dir intensiv vornimmst, kannst Du auch erreichen. Das Merkwürdige ist eigentlich, aber auch das Positive, was uns allen Mut machen sollte in Zeiten von Umbruch, erst recht daran zu arbeiten und sich Dinge vorzunehmen. #0:04:58.9# Gerade im schwierigen Umfeld ist das oft sogar besser erreichbar, weil einfach mehr in Bewegung ist. Da gibt es nur eine alte Weisheit der Chinesen, die mir sehr gut gefällt – ich will das jetzt gar nicht als Erfolgszitat verkaufen, aber für mich ist es so etwas wie eine persönliche Motivation. Die Chinesen sagen: Wenn der Wind der Veränderung weht, bauen die einen Mauern, die anderen Windmühlen. #0:05:20.4# Norman: Ja, sehr schön. David: Ich finde das sehr motivierend wirklich darüber nachzudenken. Was negativ ist an einer Veränderung, da müssen wir eigentlich nie nachdenken. Das erreicht uns sofort. Wo wir danach suchen müssen und wir danach trachten müssen ist: Wie können wir diesen Wind der Veränderung nutzen? Und da stellt sich eigentlich – und das ist eine positive Erfahrung, die ich in all den Jahren gemacht habe – heraus, da lässt sich ganz viel gestalten und ganz viel bewegen. Wie gesagt, es kommt nur darauf an, wie ich mit dem Thema umgehe. #0:05:52.1# Norman: Ja und das kann ich an dieser Stelle auch absolut bestätigen. Wir kennen uns jetzt nicht so intensiv, haben uns aber schon ein paar Mal getroffen. Ich denke da an unser letztes Treffen, auch mit Deinem Kollegen zusammen: Das was ich da gespürt habe, das sind tatsächlich Windmühlen. Was mich total begeistert hat, war dieses Brückenbauen im Kopf – die Flexibilität, diese Agilität über Ideen nachzudenken und vor allen Dingen aktiv nach Lösungen zu suchen, also Dinge nicht zu bewerten, sondern zu verwerten. Was kann man daraus machen? – Das fand ich sehr cool. #0:06:33.1# David: Hm. Norman: An dieser Stelle kann ich diesem Zitat auch nur folgen. Gab es in Deinem Leben ein Moment, an dem Du es etwas schwer hattest, woraus Du dann für Dich Deine Learnings ziehen konntest? Gab es so einen Moment, so ein prägendes Erlebnis für Dich? #0:06:53.5# David: Es gibt natürlich ganz viele Momente in einem Leben, wenn man da selbst kritisch und ehrlich drauf schaut. Immer wenn man Fehler gemacht hat, ist das zunächst ärgerlich, bedauerlich, aber es ist immer so eine Aufforderung Dinge zu verändern. Es gibt vielleicht ein prägendes Ereignis: Ich wurde im Jahr 1995, ich war da jung an Jahren, ich war gerade 34 Jahre alt, war erst zwei Jahre Chefredakteur, aber immerhin schon in einer extrem verantwortlichen Position für 130 Journalisten und dort wurde ich plötzlich noch zusätzlich – so wollte es unser Gesellschafter – Geschäftsführer bei unserem Wettbewerber, der zwar in Wirklichkeit zu 80% unsere Tochter war, nämlich dem Volksblatt hier in Würzburg. Also, der zweiten Zeitung, die gemessen an uns sehr, sehr klein ist, eine deutlich geringere Auflage hat und wirtschaftlich in massivster Schieflage war. #0:07:48.5# Als ich dort antrat, wurden die letzten 20% Anteile an die Main Post übergeben und damit aber auch ein ganz schöner Scherbenhaufen. Es war ganz schnell klar, es gibt überhaupt gar keine Chance der Fortsetzung, wenn wir nicht bei 34 Mitarbeiterin insgesamt, 50% entlassen. Ich hatte damals das Angebot, ich müsste das nicht machen, ich sollte dann lieber hinterher schauen, wie man die Marke halten könnte, wie man die Zeitung noch am Markt halten könnte, wie man wenigstens die 17 Arbeitsplätze retten könnte – man würde einen Interimsmanager holen. #0:08:25.7# Darauf habe ich natürlich gerne verzichtet, weil ich wollte mir schon das Team selbst zusammenstellen, mit dem wir in Zukunft weiter arbeiten und das war mir wichtig, auch den anderen 17, die gehen mussten versuchen zu helfen, weil das waren Kollegen, die ich persönlich sehr gut kannte. Es gab zwei Kollegen, mit denen habe ich regelmäßig damals Fußball gespielt und denen musste ich dann sagen, dass es nicht weiter geht. Das sitzt tief in den Knochen und die Analyse war für mich: Man hat einfach viel zu lange zugesehen, ist untätig geblieben und hat jede schwierigere Maßnahme, beispielsweise: Muss ich an der Tarifbindung bleiben? Kann ich mit den Leuten reden, ob man auf Teilzeit geht? Und, und, und. Also, das hat man eigentlich versäumt und hat es nicht getan. Ich sage es ein bisschen böse: Man hat vielleicht den bequemeren Weg gemacht. Solange, bis man wirklich vor der Wand gehangen ist. #0:09:19.1# Insofern ist für mich etwas sehr, sehr Prägendes immer in den guten Zeiten Vorsorge zu treffen für die schlechten Zeiten. In unserer Branche heißt das immer, weit voraus auf Sicht fahren und auch das Unangenehme angehen. Selbst, wenn man genau weiß, man wird keinen Applaus kriegen, wo viele Mitarbeiter vielleicht sagen „Das kann doch gar nicht sein, uns geht es doch jetzt sehr gut“. Da muss man immer wieder den Leuten sagen „Jetzt ja.“ Aber das kann sich sehr schnell ändern und das ist für mich etwas sehr Prägendes und ich bin sehr, sehr glücklich und auch ein bisschen stolz – ich bin jetzt 15 Jahre Geschäftsführer in einer schwierigen Branche, aber wir haben hier bei der Main Post in Würzburg niemanden betriebsbedingt in dieser Zeit kündigen müssen, was glaube ich ganz wenige Zeitungen sagen können. #0:10:04.5# Norman: Ja, absolut. Glückwunsch dazu! Was mich interessieren würde: Du hast gesagt, weit vorausschauend zu denken ist extrem wichtig. Ich glaube, das ist auch eine Fähigkeit, die man für sich haben muss. Wie schaffst Du es, dass Du genügend Abstand hast, diesen Adlerblick überhaupt herzustellen? Ist es Deine Hangkoppel oder Deine Hangwiese pflegen und das Holzhacken oder wie schaffst Du das, dass Du diesen nötigen Abstand hast? #0:10:32.2# David: Das klingt albern, aber es ist tatsächlich wichtig, dass man sich auch einen Freiraum jenseits der Arbeit schafft und zwar einer, der dann durchaus ein bisschen dazu geeignet ist, fast meditativ den Gedanken nachzuhängen. Da ist Radfahren gut, weil man stundenlang mit sich alleine ist. Ich mache gar keinen Hehl daraus, ich fahre auch gar nicht ungerne alleine. Meine Frau findet das aus Sicherheitsgründen immer nicht so spannend, aber ich mache das wirklich gerne, um völlig mit mir alleine zu sein und auf niemanden Rücksicht nehmen zu müssen. #0:11:07.2# Die Arbeit am Hang und Holzhacken und ähnliches ist alles dazu gut geeignet. Aber selbstverständlich und das muss man auch immer deutlich sagen: Es ist auch ganz wichtig, eine Atmosphäre im Unternehmen zu schaffen, die eigentlich gerade dazu einlädt immer alles auszusprechen, was die Menschen bewegt. Und da ist die Mischung auch im Unternehmen genügend Leute zu haben, die einen ansprechen und auf etwas aufmerksam machen und eher kommen und sagen, was sie nicht so gut finden – Lob ist nett, aber meistens ... Lob von unten nach oben ist eher Zwecklob, auf den kann man verzichten. Also diese Mischung, dass man inspiriert wird, dass hier auch Fragen aufgeworfen werden, dass es kritische Menschen gibt, die sich genauso auseinandersetzen und dann die Zeit, das in Ruhe zu reflektieren – was man im Büro ehrlicherweise nie machen kann, weil man da immer in einer Mühle ist -, diese Kombination ist glaube ich ganz gut. #0:12:06.1# Und man muss ehrlich sein: Die Veränderung, die unsere Branche erfasst hat, da stimmt alles, was es an Prognosen gegeben hat. Nur ein Fehler wurde immer gemacht und der wird nach wie vor immer noch gemacht. Das ist der Faktor Zeit. Es wird immer ein viel zu kurzes Zeitfenster genannt - berühmt: Bill Gates mit keiner Druckmaschine mehr, oder keine gedruckte Zeitung im Jahr 2000. Die Kernaussage, die er getroffen hat, ist richtig, nur die Zeiträume sind durchaus geeignet, dass wir uns darauf einstellen können, ohne dass wir revolutionär alles einreißen müssen. Aber klar, man muss Dinge erkennen, anerkennen auch und sagen “Jawoll, das wird so kommen” und auch wenn es im Moment fast ein bisschen Eigenkanibalisierung ist, aber wir starten jetzt damit und versuchen diesen Weg konsequent zu gehen. #0:12:57.3# Norman: Ja. Was Du gerade gesagt hast, dieses “Bei sich selbst sein”, dieses “für Dich Fahrradfahren, für Dich alleine dieses Spirituelle”, da bin ich auch völlig bei Dir. Ich bin hier im Odenwald, ich kenne mich aus mit Hangwiesen (lacht). Und das ist tatsächlich ein guter Tipp, wenn man in der Stadt wohnt, da einfach in die Natur zu gehen und da genügend Abstand herzustellen, um von außen auf die Dinge zu schauen. Kannst Du uns vielleicht noch einen Tipp mitgeben - als Du damals in der Situation als 34-Jähriger warst und vor diesen Gesprächen standest, die Leute entlassen zu müssen oder gemeinsam nach Lösungen suchen zu müssen - gibt es da einen Tipp, falls einer der Zuhörer in so einer Situation ist, der Dir geholfen hat damals den Weg zu gehen oder diese Aufgabe zu meistern? #0:13:52.9# David: Wichtig war für mich anzuerkennen, dass ich hier etwas tun muss, was zwar eine große wirtschaftliche Notwendigkeit hat, aber was einen massivsten Eingriff für die betroffenen Menschen bedeuten wird. Selbst für die, die bleiben. Selbst die, das ist glaube ich ein sehr menschliches Phänomen, da gibt es ein schlechtes gewissen: “Warum kann ich bleiben? Warum ist mein Arbeitsplatz erhalten geblieben - und das waren solche Situationen - und warum muss der junge Familienvater gehen? #0:14:25.4# Was mir sehr geholfen hat war die Tatsache, dass ich versucht habe bei allem was ich hier tue, immer das Thema Menschlichkeit und eine Werteorientierung in den Vordergrund zu stellen. Für mich war die wichtigste Erkenntnis hinterher die Tatsache, dass es keinen Einzigen der 17 betroffenen, die dann nicht mehr bei uns arbeiten konnten, nicht die Straßenseite gewechselt haben, wenn sie mich in der Stadt getroffen haben. #0:14:52.7# Und die schönste Botschaft und das was mich am meisten freut ist, es sind alle Kollegen untergekommen. Wir konnten sogar den ein oder anderen später wieder mit etwas Verzögerung an Board nehmen, weil das natürlich genau die Leute waren, die ich mir in meinen Notizblock geschrieben hatte, wenn wir wieder freie Stellen haben, dass selbstverständlich die bekommen. Und das glaube ich haben die Menschen sehr anerkannt, dass sie gemerkt haben, dass das kein geheucheltes Mitgefühl ist, dass das kein ganz gut einstudiertes Szenario ist, sondern dass das werteorientiert war, was ganz schwer ist in der Situation. Und das hat mir sehr geholfen. #0:15:36.4# Eigentlich die Motivation immer diese Werteorientierung, so etwas wie Unternehmenskultur, so etwas wie Menschlichkeit als ganz wesentliches Element in der Führung einzubauen und heute mache ich regelmäßig Wertetage für neue Mitarbeiter, wo wir genau über dieses Thema sprechen. Also nicht irgendwelche Unternehmensleitlinien an die Wand zu hängen, sondern herzugehen und zu sagen “Ich möchte mit möglichst jedem neuen Mitarbeiter persönlich einen Tag lang darüber sprechen” - in einer Gruppe mit 15 Leuten, mehr mache ich aber nicht, sodass sich jeder mit einbringen kann. So, dass man sich wirklich persönlich begegnen kann, um darüber zu sprechen, wie wir miteinander umgehen wollen; wie wollen wir dieses Unternehmen gemeinsam nach vorne bringen? Und das funktioniert erfreulicherweise ganz gut. #0:16:21.0# Norman: Ja, das ist beispielhaft. Das finde ich super. Gerade diese Vertrauensbasis ist natürlich enorm. Wenn Du so einen Mitarbeiter zurückholst in Dein Unternehmen, ist das natürlich eine unglaubliche Basis für die gemeinsame Arbeit. Gab es in Deinem Leben - um jetzt mal die andere Werkstätte zu bedienen - den Aha-Moment mit einer Erkenntnis für Dich, wo Du sagst, das war für Dich prägend oder das war ein Game-Changer? #0:16:49.0# David: Es war tatsächlich die Erkenntnis, nachdem ich hier durchaus autoritäre Führung in dem Haus erlebt habe - das hat natürlich auch damit zu tun. Ich bin hier in den 80er Jahren gestartet. Das war auch eine deutlich andere Welt. Dann waren natürlich ganz andere Generationen als Chefs dran. Das waren alles Leute, die noch im Krieg geboren wurden, also noch einen ganz anderen Erfahrungshorizont haben und ein ganz anderes Deutschland auch erlebt haben. Und ich wusste immer genau, das liegt mir nicht. Das kann es nicht sein. #0:17:23.5# Ich habe meine Wurzeln nie vergessen. Jeder Mitarbeiter in unserem Haus weiß, dass der Brandstätter aus einem kleinen österreichischen Bergdorf kommt - eine kleine Beamtenfamilie. Mich hier zu generieren als der große Zampano ... “Leute, ich habe die Weisheit mit den Löffeln gefressen und…” - Das hätte ich als lächerlich empfunden. Das hätten die Leute mir nicht abgenommen und insofern musste ich einen eigenen Weg finden: Wie erreiche ich die Menschen? Anselm Grün hat das mal schön definiert: Führen ist zielorientierte Beeinflussung von Menschen. Also, wie schaffe ich es zielorientiert Menschen zu beeinflussen, dass wir gemeinsam die gesteckten Ziele erreichen? Und da habe ich meinen Weg relativ bald gefunden und das war tatsächlich so etwas, wie diese Erfolgsblattgeschichte prägend, dass ich gesehen habe: Eine Werteorientierung, die Menschen Respekt gegenüber zu erweisen; den Menschen Wertschätzung entgegenzubringen; ihnen zu vertrauen; ihnen auch etwas zutrauen - das sind alles Dinge, die die Menschen gerne annehmen und sie zahlen umgekehrt dafür mit tollem Engagement, mit Leistung, mit Ideen, sich engagiert einbringen und das hat mich bestärkt, das immer mehr zu tun und immer stärker zu leben und möglichst als Kultur in unser Haus einzuplanen - was NICHT, das sage ich auch ausdrücklich, nicht unbedingt von den 80er Jahren herausgewachsen ist. Das musste wirklich neu hier implementiert werden. #0:18:57.7# Norman: Das musste entstehen und ihr habt dafür den Boden bereitet im Grunde. David: Ja.  Norman: Was natürlich ein super spannendes Thema ist und das war so unser Vorgespräch: Wenn wir über die Medienbranche, auch über Zeitungsverlage und dergleichen, reden, dann ist da auch immer eine gewisse Kluft zwischen der digitalen Welt. Aber irgendwie empfinde ich das bei euch zum Beispiel überhaupt nicht. Wir haben ja in den Zeitungen der letzten Jahre lesen können, dass Tageszeitungen schließen mussten, weil die Umsätze nicht mehr da waren, weil die Anzeigenumsätze zurückgegangen sind. Wie begegnet ihr dem Thema Digitalisierung? #0:19:37.8# David: Auch da gilt, was ich vorhin gesagt habe, es ist immer die Frage: Ist das ein Feind, der auf mich zukommt?  Norman: (lacht) Sehr gut, ja.  David: Oder ist das ein Chance? Klar, in der ersten Wahrnehmung, das ist ein Prozess den wir bei Veränderungen immer wieder haben. Erst gab es diese Phase der leichten Negation. So nach dem Motto: Das geht vorbei. Also gar nicht ernst nehmen, da hat die ganze Branche meiner Meinung nach extremst viel verschlafen. Denn es gab natürlich merkwürdige Bildschirmtextmodelle und, und, und in Urzeit tatsächlich wieder gescheitert sind, weil sie einfach keinen echten Mehrwert den Menschen gebracht haben. Da gab es schon viele, die nach dem Motto “Das ist etwas Vorübergehendes, das geht vorbei” gehandelt haben. #0:20:19.6# Dann kommt diese Phase wo man merkt “Nee, das geht nicht vorbei - Hilfe! Die nehmen uns etwas weg”, dann empfindet man sowas wie Drohung. Wir haben - Gott sei Dank muss ich sagen - eigentlich früh angefangen darüber nachzudenken und zu sagen: Wenn das Ding nicht weg geht und uns bedroht, dann müssen wir umgekehrt schauen, wo könnte es uns helfen? Natürlich haben wir zuallererst und am schnellsten verstanden, dass alleine in der Produktion unserer traditionellen Medien, die Digitalisierung natürlich der große Schritt nach vorne gewesen ist. Die ganze Produktion einer Zeitung, die vorher in ganz vielen Prozessschritten abgebildet durch viele Berufsbilder zerlegt wurde und ganz, ganz kompliziert wurde, wurde immer einfacher, immer schneller, immer bequemer - einfach durch Digitalisierung. Alleine ein Foto in die Zeitung zu bringen in den 80er Jahren und heute - das hat gar nichts mehr miteinander zu tun. Vom Zeitgewinn - was für uns natürlich auch ein wichtiger Punkt ist - gar nicht zu reden, aber auch vom Aufwand her. Das war der erste Beginn. #0:21:21.2# Und der zweite war, dass wir nach und nach festgestellt haben: Dieses Medium hat einen ganz, ganz großen Vorteil, weil die Menschen, die damit aufwachsen, die nutzen alles was ihnen hilft. Wenn wir diese Kanäle, die für diese Menschen sehr in ihrem Habitus drin sind, nutzen, um sie zu erreichen, dann werden sie uns auch annehmen. Da haben wir relativ bald eine Chance erkannt, dass wir gerade junge Menschen vielleicht sogar früher abholen als früher im Print. Man muss auch ehrlicherweise sagen: Wenn mich einer fragt, als ich Journalist wurde, wieviel Zeitung ich als 17- oder 18-Jähriger gelesen habe, dann kann ich entweder eine ehrliche Antwort geben oder ich muss schwindeln. Das war verdammt wenig. 0:22:06.4 Wohingegen wir, wenn wir die Digitalisierung gut nutzen, ganz neue Möglichkeiten haben. Das ist ein langer Prozess gewesen, das kam nicht über Nacht, aber das haben wir nach und nach erkannt und deshalb haben wir - das wichtigste ist die Grundeinstellung - gesagt: Wo können wir unsere Flügel und unsere Windmühlen hinbauen, um davon zu profitieren? Das ist meine Lebenserfahrung, es gibt nichts Gutes im Leben, was nicht etwas Schlechtes hat, aber umgekehrt kann das nicht sein. Es gibt auch nichts vermeintlich Schlechtes, was nicht auch etwas Gutes hat. Ich glaube, mit so einer inneren Haltung, kann man natürlich sehr viel bewegen und sehr viel mehr erreichen.  Norman: Ja. Vielleicht noch mal die Frage: Wie habt ihr es tatsächlich gemacht? Habt ihr Labs gegründet oder habt ihr Arbeitsgruppen einen Zeitraum gegeben, in dem Dinge entwickelt wurden? Weil man hört ja doch beispielsweise von der Pro7 - Sat1 Media AG, dass da ein Inkubator entsteht, was da entsprechend pusht. Oder die Süddeutsche Zeitung, da weiß ich zum Beispiel, dass da versucht wurde an Community Plattformen zu schrauben. Also, man hatte ein bisschen das Gefühl, es ist alles ein wenig ohne Strategie, also Insellösungen zu schaffen, um Testballons fliegen zu lassen und zu schauen: Funktioniert das? Wie habt ihr das intern gelöst - was hat sich vielleicht auch in euren Prozessen, neben dem Mindset natürlich, geändert? #0:23:30.0# David: Wir haben natürlich hier auch wie jeder andere - alles andere wäre eine nette Story - unser Lehrgeld bezahlt und unsere Fehler gemacht und fünf Mal den Weg verändert. Unsere erste Plattform mainpost.de wird in diesem Jahr 20 Jahre alt. Also, wir haben sehr früh begonnen und haben das damals als absolute Insel betrieben, nach dem Motto “Das ist etwas ganz Anderes, das muss man jetzt völlig anders und völlig losgelöst machen” und wir haben gar nicht die Hauptchance darin gesehen auch Nachrichten darüber zu nehmen, sondern eher ein bisschen Infotainment oder so.#0:24:14.3# Dann hat man es mehr an die Zeitung herangeführt und hat gesagt “Das kann nicht sein, dass wir eigentlich sehr wertvolle Inhalte haben”, damit meine ich vor allem die aus der Region, weil die sind nicht substituierbar, die gibt es nur exklusiv bei uns. Dann ist man da herangegangen und hat sehr stark versucht, diesen Digitalbereich in das Unternehmen reinzuziehen, was sich auch als nicht richtig erwiesen hat, weil binnen kürzester Zeit natürlich selbst die besten Digitalleute eher zu Printlern wurden, weil sie hier schnell entsprechend sozialisiert wurden. #0:24:43.7# Heute versuchen wir einen Weg zu gehen, der eine Mischung darstellt. Wir haben eine eigene Einheit für den Digitalbereich. Wir haben vor einigen Jahren, da bin ich auch sehr glücklich darüber, uns an einem Startup mehrheitlich beteiligt, sodass ich sagen kann das ist unsere Tochtergesellschaft - das Würzburger Leben. Da werden sehr stark die sozialen Netzwerke genutzt. Dort werden wir einen extrem großen Spielraum haben nach dem Motto, dass wir gerade dafür sorgen, dass wir juristisch und steuerrechtlich und sozialversicherungsrechtlich, die für einen Geschäftsführer wichtig sind, dass wir das alles einhalten. Ansonsten haben die die größte Freiheit. Die können sich ihre PCs holen, wenn sie da auf eine Marke stehen, die bei uns üblicherweise nicht eingesetzt wird, sie haben ihre eigenen Räume und sie haben keine Vernetzung, sondern sie arbeiten nur über WLAN, damit sie fünf Mal am Tag den Platz wechseln können - also sie haben alle Möglichkeiten, um kreativ zu sein. Das parallel als Fokus zu haben, aber immer wieder versuchen dort Links zu schaffen, was schwer ist am Anfang. Denn eines kann ich guten Gewissens sagen: Die Ablehnung dieser neuen Truppe gegenüber war zunächst riesengroß. #0:26:00.5# Norman: Das wäre meine nächste Frage gewesen, genau.  David: Ich hatte schon Spitznamen… “Der heilige Patron von Würzburger Leben” und und und. Mir war nur eines klar: Wir treffen dort auf Menschen, die Fähigkeiten und Kenntnisse mitbringen, die wir in dem Maße nicht haben. Wir machen anderes sehr gut, aber die machen eben Dinge gut, wo wir nicht diesen Erfahrungsschatz haben. Heute können wir alle darüber lachen. Es gibt eine intensive Zusammenarbeit; eine gegenseitige Beratung, weil auch die Kollegen von Würzburger Leben haben natürlich erkannt: So manches aus dieser tradierten Welt ist auch nicht ganz falsch. #0:26:37.7# Manches Geschäftsmodell das wir machen, das kann man eigentlich wunderbar aus einer analogen in eine digitale Welt transferieren und erweist sich dort auch als erfolgreich. Heute ist es ein gegenteiliges Befruchten, wobei wir schon klar darauf achten, dass jeder seine Identität und seine eigene DNA behält. Und in dieser Mischung glaube ich, dass das ganz erfolgreich ist. #0:27:01.9# Norman: Ja, das hatte ich in einem Interview mit Anne Schüller auch besprochen, wo sie gesagt hat: Der Job ist es nicht, alles zu digitalisieren, sondern es ist im Grunde die Aufgabe beide Welten miteinander zu verbinden, sodass diese von einander partizipieren können. Und das fand ich eigentlich ein sehr schönes Bild, aber ich verstehe natürlich auch die Herausforderung, die Du gerade genannt hast, in eine etablierte Prozessstruktur bei euch ein Startup einzubauen. Das sind dann die, die mit Chucks ins Büro kommen und ihren Mac mitbringen. Wie habt ihr es geschafft intern da Akzeptanz zu schaffen? Weil das bedingt ja, dass diese beiden Welten in irgendeiner Form zusammen kommunizieren müssen; dass dort eine Verbindung hergestellt wird. Wie schafft man das? #0:27:55.1# David: Was man nie unterschätzen darf - da machen es sich Manager manchmal ein bisschen leicht - das erste ist, das klare Bekenntnis. Es muss von ganz oben kommen. Es kann nicht sein, dass ich mich auf die Akquisition beschränke und dann lasse ich den Dingen freien Lauf, so nach dem Motto “Das wird sich jetzt schon in irgendeiner Form regeln”. Ich habe schon klar ausgesendet, indem ich ganz provokant mit den beiden Kollegen, den Gründern, die auch als Geschäftsführer tätig sind, immer wieder mal essen gegangen bin und zwar so, dass ich viele Mainpostler gesehen habe und die gedacht haben “Oh, der war mit denen schon wieder essen”. Um einfach deutlich zu machen, man will das; das ist von oben gewünscht; er versucht schnell Mitstreiter von oben her zu finden. Mit Michael Reinhardt, unserem Chefredakteur, hatte ich einen, der von der ersten Minute an dabei war, weil der erkannt hat, da können auch wir in höchstem Maße davon profitieren. Das ist auch ein Stück weites Vorleben. #0:28:51.4# Dann haben wir die Kollegen einquartiert in unseren Räumen in der Lokalredaktion. Die sind in der Innenstadt, wir sind als eigentliches Unternehmen am Stadtrand. Aber in dieser relativ kleinen Einheit. Und allein, wenn sich Menschen ob sie wollen oder nicht, jeden Tag im Flur begegnen und im Workcafé einen Espresso trinken oder so, dann entsteht auch so etwas, was wir feststellen: Es sind eigentlich auch Menschen und gar nicht fiese und gar nicht so verkehrte. Und so wächst nach und nach etwas. Und dann, was ganz wichtig ist und unser kleines Erfolgsgeheimnis: Man muss Erfolge immer zelebrieren und verkünden. #0:29:26.9# Norman: Sehr gut.  David: Ich habe immer wieder dafür gesorgt: Wenn irgendetwas gemeinsam gelungen ist, dass das möglichst jeder im Unternehmen mitkriegt, weil das steckt an. Und so ist eigentlich etwas in der Zwischenzeit gewachsen, sodass ich guten Gewissens sagen kann: Da braucht man niemanden mehr beschützen oder auf jemanden Achtgeben, sondern man achtet sich gegenseitig. #0:29:52.3# Norman: Ja, sehr gut. Das sind noch mal zwei wichtige Dinge. Einmal was Du gesagt hast, dass die Unternehmenslenker, die Unternehmensführung im Grunde dahinter steht und ganz klar signalisiert, dass ist gewünscht/gewollt, arbeitet zusammen - das finde ich super wichtig. Und auch dieses Erfolge zelebrieren/Erfolge feiern finde ich extrem wichtig, um es sichtbar zu machen, dass es nicht im Startup bleibt oder in der “alten Welt” bleibt, sondern dass man das zusammen feiert. Das finde ich super. Gibt es Strategien, mit denen ihr euch beschäftigt in eurer Markenführung, wo es darum geht, wie man Qualitätscontent in Geschäftsmodelle wandelt? Das ist ja die große Diskussion, die immer wieder stattfindet, dass im Internet erst mal alles verfügbar ist oder man Abomodelle entwickelt. Aber wie kann man sicherstellen, dass wirklich die Qualität, die ihr produziert, die die Nachrichtenagenturen produzieren, dass die am Ende auch monetarisiert werden? Gibt es da Überlegungen bei euch, die ihr anstrebt, über die Du sprechen kannst? #0:30:58.3# David: Wir versuchen natürlich, wie viele andere Regionalzeitungen, zunächst einmal eines: Ganz klar für uns zu definieren, wo haben wir wirklich im Markt eine echte Chance? Und da ist die erste Vokabel, die in dem Zusammenhang immer fällt “Substituierbarkeit”. Ist eine Information woanders frei verfügbar, möglicherweise in gleicher oder vielleicht sogar noch besserer Qualität? - Dann muss man von vorne herein sagen: Da sollten wir gar nicht sehr viel Liebesmühe darauf verwenden. Ich brauche niemandem erklären, wie die Champions League Auslosung für Bayern München ausgegangen ist. Wenn aktuell ein dramatisches Erdbeben in Mittel-Italien ist, dann ist das nicht die Meldung, die der Leser bei der Mainpost sucht bzw. er würde nie und nimmer dafür bezahlen. #0:31:45.4# Die strategische Ausrichtung unseres Hauses ist ganz klar: Wir müssen noch viel mehr als wir es in der Vergangenheit getan haben, unsere Kapazitäten - immerhin 140 Redakteure - auf nicht substituierbare Inhalte aus der Region konzentrieren. Dafür müssen wir das Unternehmen dramatisch umbauen. Da sind wir gerade in einem ganz großen Prozess drin, weil natürlich auch vieles was regional stattfindet, sehr wohl substituierbar ist. Jeder Polizeibericht wird veröffentlich und den kriegt jeder Wettbewerber, den kriegt auch eine junge Truppe, wie Würzburger Leben. Die haben jetzt so ein Angebot “Blaulicht”, der sehr viele Zugriffe generiert. Das ist auch kein USB. Und ich habe die Meldung der AOK, wenn hier etwas angeboten wird oder von Vereinen, das ist alles substituierbar. #0:32:36.4# Das ist für uns bitter, weil vor 20 Jahren war das Regionale und selbst die Dinge, die ich jetzt genannt habe, das war schon explosiver Stoff im Print der Mainpost. Den hat kein anderer in dem Maße bieten können und das müssen wir einfach lernen. Wie im Spitzensport: Wenn ein neuer Spieler bei den Basketballern oder den Zweitligisten Würzburger Kicker verpflichtet wird, das ist auch nichts mehr Exklusives, was in der Mainpost steht. Im Regelfall ist das ganz, ganz schnell über’s Netz verbreitet. #0:33:07.5# Das ist eine riesen Herausforderung für uns, weil wir noch viel mehr auf Spurensuche gehen müssen; noch viel mehr spannende Geschichten entwickeln müssen; noch viel mehr hinterfragen, was ist hinter dem Ereignis? Warum passiert an der Stelle zum fünften Mal ein Unfall? Warum gibt es da diese Auseinandersetzungen? Warum gibt es da ein Problem? und und und, also noch viel stärker dort einzusteigen. Dann bin ich mir aber sicher, wenn wir das Ausspiel noch besser lernen, also das Auswerten von Daten, noch besser wissen, was die Menschen interessiert, dass wir noch schneller und noch gezielter ihnen ein Angebot machen könnte - das machen all die eCommerce Betreiber wunderbar. Wenn ich meine Bestellung aufgegeben habe, habe ich gleich drei weitere Vorschläge. Und das müssen wir von denen natürlich abschauen und lernen. Dann bin ich überzeugt, dass Menschen auch dafür bezahlen werden. #0:34:00.4# Da versuche ich auch unseren Leuten Mut zu machen. Ich brauche eigentlich nur von der Zahl der Leser, die wir heute im Print haben. Wenn die morgen alle nur noch digital zu uns kommen, da brauche ich eigentlich nur zwei Artikel, wenn sie uns 99ct. dafür bezahlen. Also eine halbe Tasse Capuccino. Wenn die zwei Mal sagen “Das interessiert mich und dafür zahle ich 99 ct.”, dann fällt die Katze auf die alten Füße und wir betreiben das Business genauso erfolgreich weiter, wie bisher. #0:34:32.9# Wir müssen unsere Denke verändern. Wir kommen aus einer Flatrate. Wir kommen aus einem generalistischen Angebot, eine Zeitung, die aus vielen, vielen Beiträgen entsteht, wo wir natürlich nicht so naiv sind zu glauben, dass es allzu viele Menschen gibt, die das alles lesen, sondern es wird sehr selektiv wahrgenommen. Das ist beim digitalen neu für uns, das müssen wir lernen, diese Selektion von vorne herein zu betreiben und den Leser gar nicht erst alles anzubieten, sondern möglichst gezielt das anzubieten, von dem wir glauben, dass es ihn interessieren könnte. Das klingt leichter als es natürlich im Alltag ist, weil unsere Redakteure haben tausende von Jahren anderer Erfahrungen, wenn ich das zusammen zähle über alle Mitarbeiter und das ist ein Lernprozess. Da tun sich die Jungen sehr viel leichter, aber es hat eigentlich jeder erkannt, dass da eine riesen Chance drin liegt. Und deshalb habe ich den Eindruck, dass in diesem anstrengenden Prozess die Leute durchaus sehr, sehr engagiert mitziehen. #0:35:33.3# Norman: Gibt es einen Beirat oder so eine Gruppe bestehend aus den alten Hasen, den Redakteuren, die das Business natürlich von der Pike auf gelernt haben, bis hin zu den Neuen? Ich glaube, so ein paar Verbindungen mit Würzburger Leben hast Du schon genannt. Einfach auch, um von denen zu lernen? Habt ihr so einen extra Beirat oder irgendwie so einen Expertenkreis gegründet, um da diese Learnings zu machen? #0:36:00.8# David: Ja, wir haben im Prinzip im Bereich der digitalen Medien eine eigene Firma MBDM - Mainpost Digitale Medien - die ein Stück weit diese Aufgabe natürlich übernehmen, die Koordination zu machen und im Rahmen eines Prozesses - das heißt im Moment Aladdin, das war die Idee unseres Chefredakteurs; ich nehme an, er hat auf den guten Geist aus der Flasche Bezug nimmt und deshalb den Projektnamen vorgeschlagen oder gewählt hat. Dort werden wir sehr gezielt in vielen Einzelprojekten - für mich ist so ein Lebensmotto immer “Big dreams in small steps”, dass wir hier die große Vorstellung, die wir in etwa haben, diese Visionen, in viele, viele einzelne Schritte zerschlagen und daraus einzelne Projekte machen. Da sind wir gerade dabei, die einzeln aufzusetzen. #0:36:50.4# Ich habe das immer wieder, nur wir machen das jetzt im Rahmen von Aladdin noch mal sehr viel konzertierter und sehr viel konzentrierter, dass wir uns hier die einzelnen Dinge vornehmen, um zu sagen “In kleinen Schritten dem Ziel immer mehr entgegenkommen”. #0:37:03.8# Norman: Das ist ja fast eine amerikanische Strategie, wenn man sich das Buch durchliest “Silicon Valley”, da wird genau das beschrieben. Dass im Grunde unsere deutsche Ingenieurdenke uns dazu verleitet, erst mal in jahrelangen aufwendigen konzeptionellen Prozessen große Projekte zu entwickeln, um dann schnell festzustellen, dass es nicht funktionieren, anstatt in kleinen Schritten wirklich diese Lernprozesse selbst zu machen; die Fehler selbst zu machen, um dann auch zu verstehen, was die Community sich wünscht und die zu involvieren. #0:37:32.9# David: Ganz genau. Da habe ich einen kleinen Vorteil durch einen Geburtsfehler. Als Österreicher habe ich nie so diese Ausdauer gehabt, das Schwimmen immer nur theoretisch am Tisch zu lernen, sondern mir war da immer lieber, ins Wasser zu springen. Beim Skifahren ist tatsächlich so in Österreich. Ich kann mich gut erinnern: Wenn Du in die Schule gehst, ich bin mit fünfeinhalb Jahren in die Volksschule gekommen, da fragt mich mein Lehrer nicht “Kannst Du Skifahren?”, sondern da heißt es “Und übrigens, jeden Mittwoch im Winter, wenn Schnee liegt, gehen wir statt Sport machen, fahren wir Ski” und dann bist Du in den Sessel geschmissen worden oder musstest schauen, wie Du hoch kommst und … nur so kann man aber etwas lernen. Insofern kommt mir das persönlich sehr entgegen, weil ich immer der Meinung bin, die Pioniere haben die Landkarte auch gemalt, während sie gen Westen gezogen sind. #0:38:21.2# Norman: Ja, absolut. Was ich auch eine sehr spannende Frage finde ist: Wie triffst Du Entscheidungen und was hilft Dir dabei? Ob das jetzt eine Projektentscheidung ist, das finde ich eigentlich völlig egal, aber nennen wir mal eine mittelkomplexe Entscheidung, die jetzt vielleicht nicht sofort aus dem Bauch heraus entstehen kann. Gibt es da einen Prozess, den Du durchläufst oder hast Du eine Entscheidungsroutine vielleicht, so einen Ablauf, den Du immer wieder zelebrierst, um dann schnell auf den Punkt zu kommen? #0:38:53.5# David: Vor jeder Entscheidung stehen bei mir immer viele Fragen. Das können Fragen an Mitarbeiter sein; das können Fragen an Geschäftspartner oder Kunden sein. Einfach möglichst viel sich selbst schlau zu machen. Ich habe mir eines abgewöhnt: Ich bin ein sehr impulsiver und emotionaler Mensch. Ich neige innerlich immer schnell dazu, wenn irgendetwas ansteht, selbst eine Entscheidung zu haben und die möglichst auch schnell zu treffen. Da nehme ich mich ganz bewusst zurück und versuche mich selber neutral zu stellen und zu sagen “Mach Dich noch schlauer”. Das tatsächlich in Gesprächen und da ist immer ganz, ganz wichtig ein sehr intensives Zuhören. Zuhören heißt bei mir auch, immer die innere Bereitschaft zu haben, seine Meinung auch zu ändern. Und am Ende eines Prozesses vielleicht genau das Gegenteil zu sagen von dem, wie man in ein Thema gestartet ist. #0:39:46.4# Und im Laufe der Jahre hat das bei mir dazu geführt, dass sich daraus ein Bild entwickelt, das immer klarer wird, wo die Konturen deutlicher werden und was ein inneres Wohlgefallen auslöst. Und dann fällt mir die Entscheidung im Regelfall leicht und das ist dann 50% Kopf und 50% Bauch, wobei Bauch eher meint, die Erfahrung die man hat. Das ist eines der wenigen Privilegien, wenn man alt wird, dass man zumindest Erfahrungen sammeln durfte und immer wieder weiß, das hat gut funktioniert und da weniger, und da ist ein Learning und da bist Du auf die Nase gefallen. Das ist eher etwas, was in mir reift, wo ich mich eher zurücknehme, aber feststelle: Es gibt da einen Moment, wo man ein richtiges Bild vor sich hat. Das gilt für Geschäftsmodelle, das gilt für Entscheidungen generell. Ein Chef von mir hat mir mal gesagt, ein Österreicher, der schön auf österreichisch gesagt hat “A guates Geschäftsmodell, passt auf a Bierdeckel”. #0:40:54.8# Gerade in der digitalen Welt ist sehr, sehr viel sehr, sehr komplex. In Richtung Kunden, in Richtung Kommunikation muss ich es schaffen, sehr einfach darzustellen, sonst ist es weder dem Kunden vermittelbar, noch nach innen kann ich den Menschen begeistern, warum sollte man das tun. Das erfordert im Regelfall tatsächlich ein bisschen Zurücknehmen, viel zuzuhören und aus diesem Filtrat dann das Beste herauszuziehen. Dann geht es schnell. Meistens ist es oft so, dass die Leute dann sagen “Jetzt ist es schon entschieden?” Dann sage ich “Ja, aber eigentlich haben wir relativ lange darauf hingearbeitet”. Jetzt brauchen wir nicht noch 24 Berechnungen. Dadurch wird es nicht besser. Irgendwann muss man es einfach polieren und … #0:41:35.9# Norman: … Ja, machen... David: ...machen. Das ist für mich schon so ein Management-Kreislauf. Man muss entscheiden, man muss tun, man muss feiern, man muss korrigieren, man muss entscheiden, man muss tun, man muss feiern. Ganz wichtig natürlich das Feiern, das gehört auch dazu. #0:41:52.1# Norman: Ja absolut. Eine ganz interessante Frage, die ich noch habe ist: Das begegnet mir eigentlich immer in allen Strategieprozessessen, nämlich die Herausforderung. Du hast als Unternehmen eine gewisse Unternehmensleistung. Das sind Produkte, das sind Dienstleistungen, all das was Du im Markt anbieten möchtest und hast natürlich das Thema, dass je komplexer das Unternehmen ist, desto schwieriger ist es natürlich. Du hast eine Marketingabteilung, Du hast eine Vertriebsabteilung, Du hast vielleicht eine Company für digitale Medien usw.  Wie schafft ihr es, dass alle ein einheitliches Verständnis über die Unternehmensleistung haben, damit diese auch nahezu - 100% ist nicht möglich-, aber nahezu 100% in den Markt kommuniziert werden kann? Also, dass das Marketingkonzept von euch am Ende auch am Markt landet; dass der Vertrieb genau das denkt und ausspricht, was eure Unternehmensleistung ist. Wie stellt ihr das in der Unternehmensführung sicher, dass das am Markt ankommt? #0:42:59.5# David: Da hat ein reiner Zufall oder eine Entscheidung unserer ehemaligen Gesellschafter, bevor wir zu Augsburg kamen, waren wir bei Holzbrink in Stuttgart - als man die Entscheidung getroffen hat von einer Doppelgeschäftsführung auf einen Geschäftsführer umzustellen, war für mich die Situation so, dass ich mich natürlich völlig neu aufstellen musste. Ich habe dann eines eingeführt, wovon ich jetzt nach acht Jahren sagen kann, dass sich das perfekt bewährt hat. Ich habe alle wesentlichen Bereiche vom Personal über Finanzen über Marketing über Redaktion, Vertrieb, über Technik, alle an einen Tisch geholt. Wir sind im Gremium insgesamt acht Kollegen, die an mich berichten. Wir sitzen zu neunt zusammen und wir sitzen jeden Freitag zusammen. Es ist die wichtigste Sitzung der Woche und gehen dort alle Themen durch. Das führt dazu, dass wir einen sehr, sehr guten Informationsstand haben, was in den einzelnen Bereichen passiert. Wir haben den ganz großen Vorteil, dass ganz viele Ideen in dieser Runde reifen, weil es durchaus dann noch einen gibt, an den man gar nicht gedacht hat, der sagt: “Oh, das passt aber perfekt bei mir noch mit rein”. #0:44:12.5# Norman: Perfekt, super.  David: Das ist extremst wertvoll, auch wenn mancher Kollege auch mal eine Stunde hier sitzt und guten Gewissens für sich wahrscheinlich sagen könnte “Naja, da ist jetzt gar nichts für mich dabei”, aber er erkennt das Thema, wenn er im Hause angesprochen wird. Dann kann er dazu eine Aussage treffen und dadurch spreche nicht mehr nur ich alleine mit einer Stimme, sondern wir sind im Regelfall idealerweise - natürlich gibt es immer leichte Abweichungen -, aber idealerweise und es funktioniert wirklich sehr gut, haben wir schon mal neun Stimmen. Und wenn neun Führungskräfte nur mal jeweils ihre zwei Stellvertreter dann darüber noch mal in Kenntnis setzen, dann sehen wir schon, dass wir ein gutes Schneeballsystem auf den Weg bringen. #0:44:57.1# Dazu gibt es weitere Runden. Jedes Quartal kommt beispielsweise das komplette Management zusammen, um dort noch mal ein Update über die wichtigsten Bereiche zu liefern, aber da sehe ich schon, dass die Leute eigentlich gut informiert sind und das es nur hier nur noch um ein paar letzte Informationen geht. Weil, da hast Du völlig recht: Das ist mit das Entscheidenste, dass wir unsere Stärke komplett ausspielen. Wir haben auf die Art und Weise beispielsweise vor gar nicht allzu langer Zeit beschlossen, was ein neues Geschäftsfeld sein könnte aus all den Fähigkeiten, die am Tisch sitzen. #0:45:30.5# Und dann sind wir so auf Corporate Publishing gekommen. Dass wir einfach sagen, wir haben alles und wir wollen es anders angehen, als manche andere, die dann natürlich im ganz, ganz großen Stil sich das Bahnheft machen oder Lufthansa-Magazin. Wir sagen nein. Wir wollen das regional anbieten und wir wollen jede Einzelfähigkeit. Wir bieten heute bei Corporate Publishing an, dass wir ein Lektorat machen für etwas; dass wir nur Fotos machen; dass wir nur Gestaltung machen; dass wir irgendwelche Teile der Dienstleistung übernehmen und aus diesem Zusammenspiel der einzelnen Kompetenzen heraus - und ich muss sagen, das ist ein absoluter Hit - wir haben da in kürzester Zeit einen siebenstelligen Umsatz aufgebaut, tolle Produkte, hoch attraktive, junge Menschen. Wir merken, dass wir uns hier wirklich leicht tun Hochkaräter zu holen, weil die einfach kapieren “Wow, das ist absolut multimedial”. Da wird ein Webmagazin nachgefragt für die Universität Würzburg, also Uniklink Würzburg. Die machen den kompletten Web-Auftritt. Dann mache ich hochwertigste Magazine; dort mache ich Lektorat für Kliniken und, und, und. Wir haben alle Fähigkeiten im Haus. Wir waren uns aber gar nicht so bewusst, dass man die einzeln natürlich auch noch einmal ganz anders unseren Kunden zur Verfügung stellen können. Sowas entsteht in einer Gruppe, wenn man Woche für Woche zusammensitzt und jedes mal sieht “Wow, wir können das und wir können das und wir können das”. #0:46:55.1# Norman: Ja, perfekt. Also die Synerigen einfach zu nutzen über die Fachabteilungen hinweg - genial.  David: Und natürlich, wie immer: Zelebrieren. Jeder im Haus weiß, das funktioniert, das ist super, die bauen auf. Das begann mit einem einzigen. Das war ein “Assistent”, einer der in der Unternehmensentwicklung direkt mir zugearbeitet hat. Den habe ich das Thema mal vorbereiten lassen und habe ihm gesagt “So, jetzt spring ins Wasser und schwimm’ mal”. Heute haben wir eine ganz ordentliche Truppe schon längst aufgebaut, die das managed und die jetzt weiter wachsen wird. Da bin ich felsenfest davon überzeugt. #0:47:31.1# Norman: Ja, sehr gut. Wie wird sich aus Deiner Sicht die Medienbranche, gerade im Hinblick auf das digitale Zeitalter entwickeln? Kannst Du da mal Deine Glaskugel anschmeißen und mal reinschauen für uns?  David: Ich bin da optimistisch, weil wir werden nach wie vor Zeit haben, den Umbau weiter hinzukriegen. Ich glaube, dieser erste Wind, der dort herübergegangen ist und die, die schwache Mauern gebaut haben und an Windflügel gar nicht gedacht haben, ich sage es mal bösartig: Die sind weg. #0:48:06.8# Es ist ja tatsächlich so, dass es Einstellungen von Zeitungen gibt und es Insolvenzen von Zeitungen gibt. Es wird noch zu Konzentrationen kommen. Das wird nicht jedem richtig gut gefallen, aber das wird unausweichlich bleiben. Wir werden diese Vielfalt, wie wir sie heute haben an Eigentümern und eigenständigen Häusern, die in Deutschland fast weltweit einzigartig ist, die wird es nicht geben. Man wird sich zu größeren Verbünden zusammenschließen müssen, also kritische Massen zu haben. Da bin ich mir auch ganz sicher. Und wir werden auch große Investitionssummen brauchen. Springer zeigt ja - die machen das schon sehr, sehr klug - die nehmen richtig Geld in die Hand, aber das kann ich eben, wenn ich einen Laden in dieser Dimension bin. Das kann der Kleinstverlag oder kleine mittelständische Verlag irgendwo in der Provinz mit einer Auflage von 30.000 oder 40.000 ganz sicher nicht. Insofern, da muss es Zusammenschlüsse geben. #0:49:01.3# Ich bin aber eigentlich sehr optimistisch, dass die Branche auch in einer digitalen Welt sich gut behaupten wird. Sie wird Best Practice nachmachen; wir rücken enger zusammen; es gibt viel mehr Zusammengehörigkeitsgefühl, mehr Solidarität, weniger Eitelkeit. Es gibt durchaus ein paar Merkmale, die ich sehr, sehr positiv empfinde. Ich will meinen, die Branche ganz gut beurteilen zu können über die Jahre. Da tut sich gerade Vieles wo ich sage, man hat es verstanden und es geht jetzt los. Es wird seine Zeit in Anspruch nehmen. Das ist keine Frage und es wird unterwegs mit Sicherheit noch den ein oder anderen Kollateralschaden geben und einiges wird sich nicht realisieren lassen und es werden Dinge noch verschwinden, aber im Wesentlichen glaube ich, wird die Branche gut aufgestellt und gestärkt, sehr stark weiterhin multimedial - ich glaube auch an die gedruckte Zeitung in 20 Jahren. Sie wird völlig anders ausschauen als heute, eine völlig andere Rolle haben, aber es wird sie geben. Da bin ich mir sicher und gleichzeitig wird es die digitalen Angebote aus den Häusern geben mit guter Qualität und hoher Akzeptanz. #0:50:15.4# Norman: Ja, das glaube ich auch. David, gibt es so ein Passion Project bei Dir, was Du mit Leidenschaft und dem Herz in der Hand gerne vorantreibst aktuell oder treiben würdest? David: Ein Thema das uns am Herzen liegt, fast muss ich sagen liegen muss, das ist: Wie können wir den lokalen Einzelhandel auf dem Wege in die digitale Zeit begleiten? Denn wir haben in den letzten Jahren im Anzeigenmarkt eines festgestellt: Der nationale Anzeigenmarkt ist extremst geschrumpft. Ich will nicht die harte Vokabel “zusammenbrechen” sagen, aber sie wäre auch nicht falsch. #0:50:52.0# Die Rubrik Märkte sind extrem zusammengeschmolzen, da haben uns Brachenfremde eigentlich die Butter vom Brot genommen und wir müssen schwer kämpfen als Zeitungsverlage, dass wir unseren Stellenmarkt, Automarkt und Immobilienmarkt in der digitalen Welt wenigstens noch ein bisschen was für uns behalten. Aber das sind eher die Brotsamen und das Große ist woanders gelandet und musste wenn, dann wieder von Verlagen zugekauft werden von Branchenfremden. #0:51:17.7# Was stabil ist über all die Jahre, zumindest für uns und das werden die meisten Kollegen bestätigen, ist der Umsatz mit dem lokalen Einzelhandel. Die sind natürlich nicht in dem Maße sofort in die digitale Welt gesprungen. Für die ist das manchmal auch eher eigene Bedrohung und ich glaube mit denen zusammen müssen wir etwas entwickeln. Wir haben vor zwei Jahren ein Projekt aufgesetzt, weil auch hier muss ich den Faktor Zeit mit berücksichtigen, um die Menschen zu sensibilisieren - das hieß “Lass den Klick in Deiner Stadt” - haben wir Menschen signalisiert, auch den Kunden, den Lesern: Wie wollt ihr haben, dass eure Innenstädte in zehn Jahren ausschauen? Capuccino-Bars und vielleicht noch ein paar Bäckerfilialen und sonst gar nix mehr, oder wollt ihr weiterhin einen bunten Branchenmix haben und ein Einkaufserlebnis haben? Da muss man sich darüber klar sein, welche Entscheidung ich treffe. #0:52:13.6# Der nächste Schritt war, dass wir seit diesem Jahr den Lieblingsladen haben. Dort können alle mitmachen und quasi in einem digitalen Schaufenster, das wir bewerben, Produkte anbieten. Das ist noch nur mit einer Reservierungsfunktion, und das wollen wir weiter machen. Wir verhandeln gerade - das darf ich verraten - mit einem Partner, der uns helfen könnte hier den nächsten Schritt zu machen, dass man auch digital deutlich mehr und sehr viel einfacher Produkte einstellen könnte. Wir haben die letzte Meile. Wir haben einen Kurierdienst. Also, wir könnten die Bequemlichkeit des eCommerce mit der Vertrauenswürdigkeit, mit der Nähe, mit der guten Beratungsleistung des Einzelhandels verbinden. Und das ist eine Vision für mich, dass ich sage: “Ja”. Gerade ein Minimum für all jene, die hier bei uns in Würzburg oder im fränkischen Raum produktiv tätig sind. Wir haben die Winzer, wir haben die Schnapsbrenner, wir haben Menschen, die hervorragende Produkte herstellen. Meistens haben die ein kleines Problem in der Vermarktung und im Verkauf. Sie sind leidenschaftlich in der Herstellung ihrer Produkte, aber nicht unbedingt die großen Marketingexperten. #0:53:28.1# Das wäre ein Minimum, die Leute, denen wir helfen können müssten, beginnend mit einem Kassensystem und endend bei entsprechender Bewerbung, aber auch natürlich viele Einzelhändler hier, dass wir versuchen müssten, mit denen gemeinsam was zu kriegen, weil - warum muss ich bei Amazon bestellen, wenn ich das gleiche Produkt bei einem Unternehmen… wenn ich den gleichen Komfort habe? Ich will die 24 Stunden zur Auswahl haben. Ich will vielleicht am Samstagabend, weil ich da mehr Zeit habe, mir das Produkt aussuchen und auch bestellen und ich möchte es auch möglichst am Montag in der Früh schon geliefert bekommen haben. Aber das ist kein Schoßtopper, das können wir den Menschen garantieren und dann obendrein immer noch zu sagen: Und dennoch weißt Du genau, wo Du es gekauft hast und wenn es Ärger gibt, wenn es eine Reklamation gibt, da kannst Du im Zweifel selbst noch einmal ins Geschäft gehen und sagen “Moment mal, da ist was passiert, das will ich so nicht haben”, was bei Amazon auch funktioniert, das will ich gar nicht in Abrede stellen, aber wo ich doch meine, dass es aufwendiger und langwieriger ist und werden kann und dann doch nicht mehr ganz so bequem ist, wie wenn ich genau weiß, wo ich mein Produkt gekauft habe. Das wäre so ein Aspekt. Das sind unsere langjährigen Partner, denen verdanken wir viel, die verdanken uns viel und ich fände es gut, wenn wir diese Partnerschaft noch viele, viele Jahre aufrechterhalten können. #0:54:48.6# Norman: Ja, das ist auch so ein Herzensprojekt, was ich so mit mir herumtrage, schon seit Jahren. Ich habe dazu auch mit Michael Hoppe einen Podcast gemacht zum Thema Kommune digital. Es gibt unter anderem in Oberbayern ein paar Kommunen, die da wirklich schon aktiv sind; die erste Konzepte launchen usw. Und ich denke auch, wir sagen ja, wenn wir über Marken sprechen, dass wir immer über Vertrauen sprechen, die so eine Marke geschaffen hat. Eine ganz spannende Marke ist natürlich auch die Stadt - nehmen wir Würzburg als Marke - der ich vertraue und was so mein Love Brand ist. Ich glaube, mit der Kompetenz, wie bei euch, eines Medienhauses ist es wirklich eine gute Sache den Einzelhändlern vor Ort, die aus eigener Kraft das nicht leisten können. Die können nicht sagen: “Ich baue mir jetzt eine Web-Plattform oder eine eCommerce Lösung” oder dergleichen, dass wir Digitalexperten da einfach mithelfen, etwas für die Region zu tun. Wenn ich mir hier im Odenwald den Ort Amorbach anschaue, dann ist in der Innenstadt einfach nichts mehr los. Da gibt es zwei Läden, das war’s. #0:56:01.3# David, wir - wenn ich auf die Uhr schaue - sind eigentlich schon am Ende, aber ich möchte mit Dir noch ganz schnell die Quick Q&A Session machen. Da stelle ich Dir ein paar Fragen und Du antwortest ganz spontan und wir springen gleich zur nächsten. Also in kurzer Zeit den höchsten Wert. Bist Du bereit? #0:56:18.8# David: Alles klar.  Norman: Was hat dich anfangs davon abgehalten, Online Unternehmer zu werden?  David: Eigentlich gar nix. Ich sage ausdrücklich, ich habe relativ schnell kapiert, dass das für mich ganz persönlich - das habe ich erst spät erkannt - durchaus Vorteil hat, deshalb nee, das sage ich ganz ehrlich, da hat mich eigentlich wirklich nichts abgehalten. #0:56:41.5# Norman: Welcher Moment oder Rat hatte einen besonders nachhaltigen Einfluss in Deinem heutigen Leben oder in Deinem Business? Gibt es da einen? David: Das ist vielleicht ein nicht sehr schöner, aber ich gebe ganz ehrlich zu, er ist der prägendste gewesen. Mein Bruder hat im Jahr 2006 - eine Woche nachdem er unsere Mutter beerdigt hatte - einen Herzinfarkt gehabt. Er war drei Jahre im Wachkoma, bevor er sterben durfte und erlöst werden durfte. Das hatte für mich aber ein gutes: Es ist ein Benchmark, das mir in jeder Situation in meinem Beruf sagt: Das ist alles eigentlich nicht wirklich ein Problem, was wir hier haben. Das sind Dinge, die man einfach lösen muss und es gibt einem Gelassenheit und es zeigt einem auch, dass wir ein Talent haben, uns über Dinge aufzuregen und nervös zu werden, wo ich eigentlich sage: Das ist jetzt wirklich nicht das Große. #0:57:32.4# Norman: Wow. Danke für den persönlichen Einblick! Das bewegt. Kannst du uns eine Internetressource oder ein Tool nennen, was du selbst einsetzt und nutzt? David: Ja, ich mache keinen Hehl daraus, dass ich natürlich zum Beispiel ein Programm oder eine App habe zur Weinerkennung. Ich trinke zwischendrin auch mal einen guten Tropfen und da mache ich heimlich mein Foto und das Schöne ist, die App verrät mir Näheres über den Wein und sogar noch, wo ich die Möglichkeit habe, den zu kaufen. #0:58:04.0# Norman: Wie heißt die App? David: Vivino. Norman: Vivino? David: Vivino.  Norman: Okay, die verlinken wir in den Shownotes dieses Podcasts. Das wäre nämlich meine nächste Frage gewesen: Deine drei wichtigsten Mobile Apps auf Deinem Homescreen, wenn Du Dir Dein Handy anschaust? David: Naja, also jetzt logischerweise Mainpost News… Norman: Ja klar (lacht). David: Was hast Du als Antwort erwartet? Dann kommen noch die, die definitiv stimmen. Das ist die Kickers App und die Basketball App, weil ich einfach die beiden Sportarten sehr gerne verfolge. Und dann gibt es noch eine, das darf ich gar nicht laut sagen: FitBit. Da mache ich auch noch Werbung für jemanden. Dort wird alles gesammelt, was meine von den Kollegen geschenkte Fitness Uhr, die ich am Armgelenk trage, hier zusammenfasst, was ich an Sport treibe oder leider nicht getrieben habe. #0:58:57.9# Norman: Was für Musik hörst Du gerne in Deiner Freizeit, um zu entspannen oder um einfach wieder herunterzufahren? Gibt es da irgendwas?  David: Ja, ich bin natürlich mit der Musik der 60er und 70er Jahre groß geworden und ich sage mal, bis in den 80er Jahren war Musik für mich Lebenselixir. Da konnte ich auch jede Besetzung, jede Formation in jeder Band sagen mit den Jahreszahlen und die Discographie kannte ich fast auswendig. Ich mache aber gar keinen Hehl daraus. Es gibt viel Zeitgenössisches, wo ich keine Ahnung habe - also man kennt Adele oder so - aber vieles was ich im Radio höre, was ich gar nicht kenne, nicht zuordnen kann, wo ich aber sage “Ja, doch, gefällt mir ganz gut.” Musik muss für mich immer eines haben: Es darf kein stampfender Rhythmus sein, der einfach stundenlang monoton an ein Hämmern erinnert und es muss in irgendeiner Form melodiös sein. Aber es kann ruhig krachen, also es darf schon auch gerne ein bisschen laut sein. Sowas wie Guns’n’Roses oder so finde ich schon auch ganz witzig. #0:59:56.7# Norman: Guns’n’Roses verlinken wir in den Shownotes, das passt gut (lacht). Kannst Du uns ein Buch empfehlen, was für Dich einen großen Mehrwert hatte? Wie heißt das Buch und worum ging es da?  David: Naja, Bücher… Also welche Bücher mir sehr, sehr viel, gerade für mein berufliches Leben gebracht haben, da kann ich gar kein einzelnes nennen, weil er so unendlich viele geschrieben hat. Das sind Bücher von Anselm Grün. Die haben mir wirklich definitiv geholfen und mich ein Stück weit geprägt. Es gibt ein Buch - wobei auch da werde ich noch mal ein bisschen nachdenklich - aber es hat mich sehr tief berührt. Wahrscheinlich weil ich es gelesen habe, als mein Vater gestorben ist. Das ist von Tiziano Terzani, so heißt er glaube ich. Ich bin mir nicht 1000%-ig sicher. Das heißt “Das Ende ist mein Anfang. Da geht es um einen Spiegel-Redakteur, der seinem Sohn von seinem Leben berichtet, nachdem er an Krebs erkrankt ist. Das hat mich sehr, sehr bewegt, diese Kommunikation zwischen dem sterbenden Vater und seinem Sohn. #1:00:58.8# Norman: Sehr gut, das verlinken wir auch in den Shownotes. David, wir sind am Ende. Zum Schluss vielleicht noch ganz kurz Dein letzter Tipp für unsere Zuhörer im Hinblick auf das Thema Digitalisierung und Marke und wie wir Dich am besten erreichen können.  David: Bei der Digitalisierung habe ich ein einziges Anliegen in dem Zusammenhang: Sie bringt so viel Positives; sie bringt so viel Bequemlichkeit und Vorzüge und ist vielleicht sogar für mehr Demokratie auf der Welt zuständig. Da hätte ich nur einen einzigen Wunsch: Dass wir alte Werte wie Respekt, Toleranz, Höflichkeit, Wertschätzung auch noch ein wenig mehr im Auge behalten, gerade wenn wir in Sozialen Netzwerken kommunizieren. Da finde ich einfach eine Verrohung, die mir ein Stück weit weh tut und von der ich glaube, dass sie den Menschen auch nicht gut tut. Da passiert etwas, was ich nicht gut finde und eigentlich ist es schade, weil Digitalisierung eigentlich verdammt viel Positives stiften könnte. Wenn wir damit ein bisschen sensibler umgehen, dann wäre es optimal. #1:02:09.9# Erreichen kann man mich ganz einfach bei der Main Post und E-Mail, da muss man einfach meinen Namen mit einem Punkt eingeben David.Brandstaetter@mainpost.de. #1:02:22.0# Norman: Okay. David, es hat mir großen Spaß gemacht. Ich könnte jetzt glaube ich noch eine Stunde mit Dir sprechen, aber dann müssen wir hier eine Pause machen. Es hat mich sehr gefreut. Vielen Dank noch mal für Deine Zeit und ich freue mich, wenn wir uns bald mal wiedersehen.  David: Alles klar, gilt genauso für mich. Das hat mir ebenfalls Spaß gemacht. Dir alles Gute und eurem ganzen Team! Norman: Danke, danke. Bis dann, ciao! David: Mach’s gut, ciao![/et_pb_toggle]   Noch ein wichtiger Aufruf: Es geht nicht ohne dich. Und deshalb ist es sehr wichtig, dass du diesen Podcast mit deiner Bewertung bei iTunes unterstützt. Denn durch deine Bewertung rankt dieser Podcast bei iTunes entsprechend höher und schafft höhere Aufmerksamkeit, wodurch mehr Fragen an mich gestellt werden, mehr Interaktion stattfindet und dieser Podcast einen Dialog erfährt und damit lebendig gestaltet werden kann - nicht nur von mir, sondern von uns allen. Vielen Dank also jetzt schon für deine Bewertung bei iTunes.   Wir versorgen dich einmal im Monat mit den wichtigsten Informationen kostenlos. Melde dich für unseren Newsletter an.   Wenn dir der Artikel gefallen hat, teile ihn bitte in deinen Netzwerken, dadurch unterstützt du uns enorm! Danke!!!  

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  • David Batra

    · Sommar & Vinter i P1

    STÅUPPKOMIKER, SKÅDESPELARE, FÖRFATTARE. David Batras Sommarprogram handlar om en helt ny sida av komikern: Om den vuxna mannen som inte kan sluta tänka på klasskompisen Mikael som Batra var med och mobbade under alla åren i grundskolan; om vad som hänt med Mikael; vem han är idag. Lever han? Hur lever han? Och hur har åren då den lille töntige killen i pottfrisyr, hopplösa kläder och barnportfölj stod i centrum för klasskompisarnas löje, spe och fysiska förakt format hans fortsatta liv? Ska han våga ta kontakt med honom? Och säga vad då? Framför allt funderar Batra på varför det blivit så viktigt för honom att 30 år senare lägga så mycket energi på att fundera över Mikaels öde. David Batra som i tonåren själv inte precis befann sig högst upp i skolgårdens näringskedja. Till slut får de kontakt och bestämmer träff. Ett möte där båda får tillfälle att berätta om hur mobbningen påverkat dem som vuxna. Om David Batra Ståuppkomiker, skådespelare, författare. Född i Lund, bosatt i Nacka. Aktuell som kapten Blackadder i Svarte Orm. Har gjort fler än tusen föreställningar som ståuppkomiker och i höst fortsätter scenshowen Batra & Robin, tillsammans med Robin Paulsson. Har medverkat i tv-program som Räkfrossa, Kvarteret Skatan och Parlamentet. Medverkar kontinuerligt i radioprogrammet På Minuten. Har gett ut böcker som Gevär säljes p g a dödsfall och Den som inte tar bort luddet ska dö! Utsedd till Årets manlige komiker 2006. Drar sig inte för att prata om sitt dåliga lokalsinne och sin tinnitus offentligt. Med orden ”knulla, knulla, knulla” inleddes det förra Sommarprogrammet, då han uppmanade lyssnarna att skaffa barn innan det Var för sent. David Batra har varit Sommarvärd 2008. Producent: Karin af Klintberg

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  • David Bowie

    · 00:19:22 · Entrepreneur Success Stories With Join Up Dots - Inspiration, Confidence, & Small Business Coaching To Start Your Online Career

    David Bowie, Musician And Trendsetter There is no doubt that among the history books holding the names of rock legends, the name of David Bowie is up there with the best of them. A man who doesn’t just play the game by his own rules, but created the game itself and then ripped up the rules too. He took on the prescribed format of musical output in the early seventies and almost single handedly changed it forever. In this Bowie inspired Join Up Dots biography we take a look at how this unassuming man, born David Robert Jones in Brixton, South London on January 8th 1947, could at first struggle so badly to ignite the flame of success. Mimicking the stars of the day, and stars of yesterday, unable to find his real voice, until stumbling on the very thing that would make him who he is today And that thing was changes, the ability to reinvent himself, and freshen his sound, image and outlook at will, keeping all of us guessing as to his next move for the next forty years. David’s start in life was about as normal as a child growing up in the United Kingdom in the 50’s could have expected to live. His mother, Margaret Mary worked as a waitress, while his father, Haywood Stenton Jones, from Yorkshire, was a promotions officer for Barnardo’s a children charity. Bowie attended Stockwell Infants School until he was six years old, where teachers considered him as a gifted and single-minded child, although not with obvious musical genius, and a singing voice only classed as adequate. When David Bowie was a small child he was fascinated by music, and loved nothing more than tuning into the radio stations of the day to hear the scratchy sounds from some distant DJ in a basement far far away like so many other children. But it was when he was thirteen, and encouraged by his older brother Terry, he picked up a saxophone and started making his own sounds that things started becoming more than a hobby. Terry was nine years older, and inspired and influenced the young David greatly, as most older brothers do, exposing him to literature, rock music and the kind of influences that a thirteen year old child growing up in South London would have been unlikely to discover on their own. David at first tried to teach himself the saxophone, but struggled with it, so made the bold decision to phone the top British saxophonist Ronnie Ross, who he had seen play in the West End of London, and asked for lessons. Ronnie charged David £2.00 per lesson, which was more than this soon to be wealthy practicing rock star could hope to afford. But this wouldn’t deter, young Davy Jones, and he got himself a job as a butcher’s delivery boy to ensure that he had the cash to allow the fortnightly lessons to occur. Unfortunately, although a major part of setting the fledgling rock star on his way to super stardom, with his encouragement and support, David’s brother Terry was not to be in his day to day life for long. Suffering with his own personal demons, the family had Terry committed to an institution fearing for his safety. This no doubt had a huge impact on the young David Bowie, and although good in its intention haunted David for a good deal of his life, even becoming the topic of his song “Jump They Say” after Terry’s suicide many years later. At the age of sixteen, David Bowie graduated from the technical high school he had attended in Bromley, only memorable for a fight he had with a school friend that left him with eyes different in colour to one another, and got his first job a commercial artist. He joined as a Junior Visualiser /Paste up Artist for the Yorkshire based company Neven D Hirst. This is a fascinating move for David to make, as although he was still playing for bands, and striving to break into music business in the evening, he still followed the path that most of us follow. He left school and set about getting a job. Is there anyway that we can break from the path that has been trod for generations before us? Even if we have greatness desperate to burst out from inside us?. Probably not, but as we see time and time again on Join Up Dots, the ability to keep on pushing against the rules of conformity is what allows the great to become great. Stopping ourselves from following the crowd, that leave school and enter the offices of the world just because they haven’t stopped to question why? Well David, did just that and after only five months, knew in his heart of hearts that he had to take control of his life, if his dreams of working as a musician were to come true. The bands he had performed with every night had cemented the belief that he had what it took, not necessarily to achieve the dizzying heights that he later achieved, but at least earning money doing what he loved. Interestingly, crossing his path in these early days was another musician who would also go on to place his name indelibly in the record books, one Jimmy Page the guitarist of David Bowie’s band the Manish Boys. Jimmy Paige of course become a global success with one of the most famous rock bands of all time Led Zeppelin. Several singles were recorded and released during this period, but none could have been classed as anything but a learning curve. Allowing the young Bowie to experience a recording studio for the first time and hear his own voice played back to him. Other than working with Jimmy Paige, the only dot on the Join Up Dots timelines that helps us to see the man that he later became, was when when he made the decision to change his name from Davy Jones, and replace his surname with the now recognizable Bowie, after the knife. Davy Jones from the Monkees was riding the crest of the wave, with hits such as “Last Train To Clarksville”, and “Daydream Believer”, and David felt that this could be confusing to the record buying public, and ultimately could hold him back. Did this make a huge difference, who can tell, but it was better than one of his other choices he made: Tom Jones. It was certainly the first indication of the chameleon like character that has since gone on to characterize so much of his later work. After recording, and performing with the bands, Bowie made the decision to go solo, and pursue a career on his own terms. He recorded his first solo album, which sunk without trace. This was a crushing blow for David Bowie, and instead of working harder on the content he was intent to keep delivering to the world, the musician did something quite unexpected…but quite David Bowie like. He decided to take a break from the music world, and headed to Scotland where for a period in 1967 he lived in a Buddhist monastery along with American musician Leonard Cohen. As he says “”I was a terribly earnest Buddhist at the time I had stayed in their monastery and was going through all their exams, and yet I had this feeling that it wasn’t right for me. I suddenly realised how close it all was: another month and my head would have been shaved.” So David left, and then even more bizarrely joined a group of mime artists, even starting his own group called Feathers. Although this from the outside seems unusual, as we see on Join Up Dots everyday, a person has to try things that may not seem part of the master plan, to ultimately lead them to where they should be in life. It is during these times, when it may seem haphazard and wasteful that most people absorb different ways of operating. Discovering skills within themselves, that they can utilise later in positions not remotely visible at that time. And that is the case with David Bowie, as the added spirituality and theatricality become more evident in his work, as was displayed in his own classic song “Space Oddity” about a spaceman floating around about the earth. Thanks to the BBC’s use of the song for their coverage of the US Moon landing in 1969, David Bowie had his first hit record. With the song hitting the charts on both sides of the Atlantic. What is extremely interesting is the state of mind of David Bowie at the time of writing. The words clearly show an individual lost, and forlorn about the future. No surprise after the failures of his previous musical efforts. “Planet earth is blue and there’s nothing I can do” – shows the realization that there’s nothing he can do about all of the problems he sees in the world. “Can you hear me Major Tom? Can you hear me Major Tom? – He’s lost communication with those on the ground (i.e. in reality). David Bowie showed a window to his soul. He was not part of his previous life of domesticity in Bromley, and was neither part of the rock star lifestyle that he so craved. Bowie was floating out in Space, on his own. Slowly getting ready for the true moment that David Bowie blasted into our consciousness, and the televisions and radios across the world. In 1973, the career that had stuttered and faltered for the last four years, exploded dramatically into life, as from that position floating above the world David returned to earth. This time not as himself, but the androgynous alien Ziggy Stardust. It signaled the start of the David Bowie fascination. Where was the man, and where was the music? Could one exist without the other? Was the high camp fashion that he displayed on stage the true mark of David Bowie, or a curtain to hide behind, whilst the crowds surged, screamed and fainted in front him. This was glam-rock at its peak, and quite literally anyone around at that time would be compared to the strutting, preening and bi-sexual pre-madonna that was 1973’s incarnation of David Bowie. Even megastars such as T-Rex’s Marc Bolan, the flamboyant pianist from Middlesex Elton John, and the upwardly climbing Freddie Mercury were nothing, compared to what the world was witnessing with his classic “Starman” and “Ziggy Stardust” David Bowie was no longer floating high above the world on his own. To the teenagers and music buying public, he was the world, and with his backing band The Spiders Of Mars, the world waited with baited breath to see what they would deliver next. And David Bowie delivered…but once again not in the way most expected, or wished for. Instead of setting off on a world-tour, and crushing the charts with new albums and singles, he announced that he was retiring from touring and that Ziggy Stardust and of course the Spiders were no more. As he announced whilst on stage “Of all the shows on the tour, this one will stay with us the longest because not only is this the last show of the tour, but it is the last show we will ever do.” This surprised everyone in the house – not least the members of his band. The hysteria was over almost as soon as it had started. Which looking back, was an amazingly brave decision to make, but one that showed that David Bowie was in control, and knew what was right for his career. Instead of saying “this is what you want, so this is what you’ll get”, he quite firmly, and with huge confidence stated “You will get what I want, and when I want to give it to you!” This in no short measure ensured that the mystic that has grown up around David Bowie was started off in the perfect manner. He was not going to give an inch. And we are no doubt glad that he took that stance, as his music was becoming more creative and experimental because of it. He had created the freedom to explore what he was capable off. And so began his personal odyssey from country to country, city to city, playing and recording with such eclectic names as John Lennon, Brian Eno from Roxy Music and even Luther Vandross, It was whilst in New York jamming with John Lennon that the riff which became the iconic Fame was first heard, and led to David Bowie’s first American number one. And his later move to Berlin in Germany, harnessed even greater creative imagery and unexpected musical releases with the classic stripped back “Low” and the Eno produced “Heroes”, made whilst he lived in semi seclusion, painting, studying art and recording with Brian Eno. “Heroes” was marketed by RCA with the catchphrase, “There’s Old Wave. There’s New Wave. And there’s David Bowie…” which is very apt, and something that Bowie would have done well to remember in later years. It is true that Bowie likes nothing more than going in quite different directions than what the world expects. Throughout his career he has explored the world of acting from his early roles in “The Man Who Fell To Earth”, through to “Absolute Beginners And “Labyrinth” where he acted beside a series of Jim “The Muppet” Henson’s creations, and even a three month run in the Elephant Man on Broadway. None of the roles or performances would be classed as landmarks in his career. In fact many would argue they were just a distraction to where he should have been placing his attention. On his music. The creativity being focused on areas of interest to David, more to his loyal followers. What becomes a truth with David Bowie, is when he appears to move towards the obvious routes to success, he becomes a pale inferior version of himself. Following the global success of the Nile Rodgers produced album “Lets Dance” in 1983, he appeared influenced by the Music of the time. And one thing for sure being in Duran Duran is never going to inspire the same level of performance as working the bars, and studying the architecture in Berlin or other such locations. David Bowie needs to be off the radar, to be truly authentic. He needs to be tapping into the yet to be seen musical movements, instead of being the leader of the popular and current ones. And so for the next few years David Bowie produced work that was neither memorable nor commercially successful in the same way as his earlier successes. He was falling further behind the crowd, and lost between the teenagers now grown up who adored him in the seventies, and the 80’s versions focused on Wham, Duran, and Rick Astley. Throughout the next ten years, Bowie’s musical career was in decline, with the albums Tin machine and Tin Machine II being commercial and public failures. David Bowie was finished. He had achieved everything that the 13 year old saxophone learning kid could have ever dreamed off and more. He had inspired the world to believe. He had created a new generation of musicians who studied his back catalogue with a religious fervor. He disappeared. Retreating from the limelight, he closed the door on his New York apartment and became David Jones again. Father, husband, music legend, and enjoying retirement. For over ten years, other than a few sightings David Bowie was invisible to the world. We had the memories of past glories and nothing else. But as we have seen throughout the years, Bowie returns stronger when on his own terms. When he is in control to what the world will receive. That is when he delivers, and in 2013 after ten years in the wilderness “The Next Day” David Bowie’s 24th album shook the world. The Spaceman, the Clown, The Alien, The Smooth Groover, the enigma that is David Bowie was back where he belongs. In the ears, and stereos of the world. Saying things the way that only David Bowie can. A musician, a mystery, a creative, a leader, a decision maker, a controller, David Bowie has learnt through all the trials and tribulations, the ups and downs what leads to success. And that quite simply is being himself. A lesson that for so many of us is the hardest one to learn.

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  • David Bowie: The Man Who Fell To Earth And Stayed A True Oddity (Bonus Episode)

    · 00:19:22 · Entrepreneur Success Stories With Join Up Dots - Inspiration, Confidence, & Small Business Coaching To Start Your Online Career

    There is no doubt that among the history books holding the names of rock legends, the name of David Bowie is up there with the best of them.A man who doesn't just play the game by his own rules, but created the game itself and then ripped up the rules too.He took on the prescribed format of musical output in the early seventies and almost single handedly changed it forever.In this Bowie inspired Join Up Dots biography we take a look at how this unassuming man, born David Robert Jones in Brixton, South London on January 8th 1947, could at first struggle so badly to ignite the flame of success.Mimicking the stars of the day, and stars of yesterday, unable to find his real voice, until stumbling on the very thing that would make him who he is todayAnd that thing was changes, the ability to reinvent himself, and freshen his sound, image and outlook at will, keeping all of us guessing as to his next move for the next forty years.David's start in life was about as normal as a child growing up in the United Kingdom in the 50's could have expected to live.His mother, Margaret Mary worked as a waitress, while his father, Haywood Stenton Jones, from Yorkshire, was a promotions officer for Barnardo's a children charity.Bowie attended Stockwell Infants School until he was six years old, where teachers considered him as a gifted and single-minded child, although not with obvious musical genius, and a singing voice only classed as adequate.When David Bowie was a small child he was fascinated by music, and loved nothing more than tuning into the radio stations of the day to hear the scratchy sounds from some distant DJ in a basement far far away like so many other children.But it was when he was thirteen, and encouraged by his older brother Terry, he picked up a saxophone and started making his own sounds that things started becoming more than a hobby.Terry was nine years older, and inspired and influenced the young David greatly, as most older brothers do, exposing him to literature, rock music and the kind of influences that a thirteen year old child growing up in South London would have been unlikely to discover on their own.David at first tried to teach himself the saxophone, but struggled with it, so made the bold decision to phone the top British saxophonist Ronnie Ross, who he had seen play in the West End of London, and asked for lessons.Ronnie charged David £2.00 per lesson, which was more than this soon to be wealthy practicing rock star could hope to afford.But this wouldn't deter, young Davy Jones, and he got himself a job as a butcher's delivery boy to ensure that he had the cash to allow the fortnightly lessons to occur.Unfortunately, although a major part of setting the fledgling rock star on his way to super stardom, with his encouragement and support, David's brother Terry was not to be in his day to day life for long.Suffering with his own personal demons, the family had Terry committed to an institution fearing for his safety.David Bowie Young ManThis no doubt had a huge impact on the young David Bowie, and although good in its intention haunted David for a good deal of his life, even becoming the topic of his song “Jump They Say” after Terry's suicide many years later.At the age of sixteen, David Bowie graduated from the technical high school he had attended in Bromley, only memorable for a fight he had with a school friend that left him with eyes different in colour to one another, and got his first job a commercial artist.He joined as a Junior Visualiser /Paste up Artist for the Yorkshire based company Neven D Hirst.This is a fascinating move for David to make, as although he was still playing for bands, and striving to break into music business in the evening, he still followed the path that most of us follow.He left school and set about getting a job.Is there anyway that we can break from the path that has been trod for generations before us? Even if we have greatness desperate to burst out from inside us?.Probably not, but as we see time and time again on Join Up Dots, the ability to keep on pushing against the rules of conformity is what allows the great to become great.Stopping ourselves from following the crowd, that leave school and enter the offices of the world just because they haven't stopped to question why?Well David, did just that and after only five months, knew in his heart of hearts that he had to take control of his life, if his dreams of working as a musician were to come true.The bands he had performed with every night had cemented the belief that he had what it took, not necessarily to achieve the dizzying heights that he later achieved, but at least earning money doing what he loved.Interestingly, crossing his path in these early days was another musician who would also go on to place his name indelibly in the record books, one Jimmy Page the guitarist of David Bowie's band the Manish Boys.Jimmy Paige of course become a global success with one of the most famous rock bands of all time Led Zeppelin.Several singles were recorded and released during this period, but none could have been classed as anything but a learning curve. Allowing the young Bowie to experience a recording studio for the first time and hear his own voice played back to him.Other than working with Jimmy Paige, the only dot on the Join Up Dots timelines that helps us to see the man that he later became, was when when he made the decision to change his name from Davy Jones, and replace his surname with the now recognizable Bowie, after the knife.Davy Jones from the Monkees was riding the crest of the wave, with hits such as “Last Train To Clarksville”, and “Daydream Believer”, and David felt that this could be confusing to the record buying public, and ultimately could hold him back.Did this make a huge difference, who can tell, but it was better than one of his other choices he made: Tom Jones.It was certainly the first indication of the chameleon like character that has since gone on to characterize so much of his later work.After recording, and performing with the bands, Bowie made the decision to go solo, and pursue a career on his own terms. He recorded his first solo album, which sunk without trace.This was a crushing blow for David Bowie, and instead of working harder on the content he was intent to keep delivering to the world, the musician did something quite unexpected...but quite David Bowie like.He decided to take a break from the music world, and headed to Scotland where for a period in 1967 he lived in a Buddhist monastery along with American musician Leonard Cohen.As he says “"I was a terribly earnest Buddhist at the time I had stayed in their monastery and was going through all their exams, and yet I had this feeling that it wasn't right for me. I suddenly realised how close it all was: another month and my head would have been shaved."So David left, and then even more bizarrely joined a group of mime artists, even starting his own group called Feathers.Although this from the outside seems unusual, as we see on Join Up Dots everyday, a person has to try things that may not seem part of the master plan, to ultimately lead them to where they should be in life.It is during these times, when it may seem haphazard and wasteful that most people absorb different ways of operating. Discovering skills within themselves, that they can utilise later in positions not remotely visible at that time.And that is the case with David Bowie, as the added spirituality and theatricality become more evident in his work, as was displayed in his own classic song “Space Oddity” about a spaceman floating around about the earth.Thanks to the BBC’s use of the song for their coverage of the US Moon landing in 1969, David Bowie had his first hit record. With the song hitting the charts on both sides of the Atlantic.What is extremely interesting is the state of mind of David Bowie at the time of writing. The words clearly show an individual lost, and forlorn about the future. No surprise after the failures of his previous musical efforts."Planet earth is blue and there's nothing I can do" - shows the realization that there's nothing he can do about all of the problems he sees in the world."Can you hear me Major Tom? Can you hear me Major Tom? - He's lost communication with those on the ground (i.e. in reality).David Bowie showed a window to his soul. He was not part of his previous life of domesticity in Bromley, and was neither part of the rock star lifestyle that he so craved.Bowie was floating out in Space, on his own.Slowly getting ready for the true moment that David Bowie blasted into our consciousness, and the televisions and radios across the world.In 1973, the career that had stuttered and faltered for the last four years, exploded dramatically into life, as from that position floating above the world David returned to earth.This time not as himself, but the androgynous alien Ziggy Stardust.It signaled the start of the David Bowie fascination.Where was the man, and where was the music?Could one exist without the other?Was the high camp fashion that he displayed on stage the true mark of David Bowie, or a curtain to hide behind, whilst the crowds surged, screamed and fainted in front him.This was glam-rock at its peak, and quite literally anyone around at that time would be compared to the strutting, preening and bi-sexual pre-madonna that was 1973’s incarnation of David Bowie.Even megastars such as T-Rex’s Marc Bolan, the flamboyant pianist from Middlesex Elton John, and the upwardly climbing Freddie Mercury were nothing, compared to what the world was witnessing with his classic “Starman” and “Ziggy Stardust”David Bowie was no longer floating high above the world on his own.To the teenagers and music buying public, he was the world, and with his backing band The Spiders Of Mars, the world waited with baited breath to see what they would deliver next.And David Bowie delivered...but once again not in the way most expected, or wished for.ziggy-and-the-spidersInstead of setting off on a world-tour, and crushing the charts with new albums and singles, he announced that he was retiring from touring and that Ziggy Stardust and of course the Spiders were no more.As he announced whilst on stage “Of all the shows on the tour, this one will stay with us the longest because not only is this the last show of the tour, but it is the last show we will ever do.” This surprised everyone in the house – not least the members of his band. The hysteria was over almost as soon as it had started.Which looking back, was an amazingly brave decision to make, but one that showed that David Bowie was in control, and knew what was right for his career.Instead of saying “this is what you want, so this is what you'll get”, he quite firmly, and with huge confidence stated “You will get what I want, and when I want to give it to you!”This in no short measure ensured that the mystic that has grown up around David Bowie was started off in the perfect manner.He was not going to give an inch. And we are no doubt glad that he took that stance, as his music was becoming more creative and experimental because of it. He had created the freedom to explore what he was capable off.And so began his personal odyssey from country to country, city to city, playing and recording with such eclectic names as John Lennon, Brian Eno from Roxy Music and even Luther Vandross,It was whilst in New York jamming with John Lennon that the riff which became the iconic Fame was first heard, and led to David Bowie's first American number one.And his later move to Berlin in Germany, harnessed even greater creative imagery and unexpected musical releases with the classic stripped back “Low” and the Eno produced “Heroes”, made whilst he lived in semi seclusion, painting, studying art and recording with Brian Eno."Heroes" was marketed by RCA with the catchphrase, "There's Old Wave. There's New Wave. And there's David Bowie..." which is very apt, and something that Bowie would have done well to remember in later years.It is true that Bowie likes nothing more than going in quite different directions than what the world expects.Throughout his career he has explored the world of acting from his early roles in “The Man Who Fell To Earth”, through to “Absolute Beginners And “Labyrinth” where he acted beside a series of Jim “The Muppet” Henson’s creations, and even a three month run in the Elephant Man on Broadway.None of the roles or performances would be classed as landmarks in his career. In fact many would argue they were just a distraction to where he should have been placing his attention. On his music. The creativity being focused on areas of interest to David, more to his loyal followers.What becomes a truth with David Bowie, is when he appears to move towards the obvious routes to success, he becomes a pale inferior version of himself.Following the global success of the Nile Rodgers produced album “Lets Dance” in 1983, he appeared influenced by the Music of the time. And one thing for sure being in Duran Duran is never going to inspire the same level of performance as working the bars, and studying the architecture in Berlin or other such locations.David Bowie needs to be off the radar, to be truly authentic.He needs to be tapping into the yet to be seen musical movements, instead of being the leader of the popular and current ones.And so for the next few years David Bowie produced work that was neither memorable nor commercially successful in the same way as his earlier successes.He was falling further behind the crowd, and lost between the teenagers now grown up who adored him in the seventies, and the 80’s versions focused on Wham, Duran, and Rick Astley.Throughout the next ten years, Bowie's musical career was in decline, with the albums Tin machine and Tin Machine II being commercial and public failures.David Bowie was finished.He had achieved everything that the 13 year old saxophone learning kid could have ever dreamed off and more. He had inspired the world to believe. He had created a new generation of musicians who studied his back catalogue with a religious fervor.He disappeared. Retreating from the limelight, he closed the door on his New York apartment and became David Jones again. Father, husband, music legend, and enjoying retirement.For over ten years, other than a few sightings David Bowie was invisible to the world.We had the memories of past glories and nothing else.But as we have seen throughout the years, Bowie returns stronger when on his own terms. When he is in control to what the world will receive. That is when he delivers, and in 2013 after ten years in the wilderness “The Next Day” David Bowie's 24th album shook the world.The Spaceman, the Clown, The Alien, The Smooth Groover, the enigma that is David Bowie was back where he belongs. In the ears, and stereos of the world. Saying things the way that only David Bowie can.A musician, a mystery, a creative, a leader, a decision maker, a controller, David Bowie has learnt through all the trials and tribulations, the ups and downs what leads to success. And that quite simply is being himself.A lesson that for so many of us is the hardest one to learn.

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  • Solopreneur Hour

    · 01:15:57 · Entrepreneur Success Stories With Join Up Dots - Inspiration, Confidence, & Small Business Coaching To Start Your Online Career

    Todays guests is Mr Michael O'Neal, the podcasting master behind the hit Itunes show "The Solopreneur Hour Podcast". The top ranked business show, or The Solohour as it is known to its friends, teaching online marketing and entrepreneurship skills.  Michael is a man who quite simply without him, then I wouldn't be on the mic today. So you know where to send all your complaints too. He is a born entrepreneur with a fascinating story, of successes, setbacks, leaps of faith, and finding his unique path with the guidance of John Lee Dumas and Pat Flynn. Growing up in Philadelphia, the thought of being the host of his own podcast show was the last thing on his mind. He was a normal type of kid, obsessed with sport, finding trouble at school, and generally being a kid. But unfortunately that freedom of thought and energy changed when he was moved from his beloved Philly, and taken down to Florida, and it seems to me this was the start of him looking for his path in life. He didn’t fit in down in the Sunshine State, so as soon as he could, he got himself back up North, and discovered one of the first dots in his life that links him to where he is today…the internet. He was fascinated by the worldwide web, so developed skills to be a web designer. And that was his life for fifteen years, until unfortunately his parents both passed away in a very short time, and he found himself sitting with just $14 dollars in his pocket. He was over 30, with a decision forced upon him. Would he accept the punches that life had dealt him, or would he start fighting back? And that descision was made and he took the steps that made him “Know too much” and not want to work for anyone else again? He was going to become a solopreneur and own his own future. But how did he know he had the skills to be a success in the online arena? How did he know where his true passions lie? And does he regret inspiring guys like me to jump into the pool too? Well lets find out as we bring onto the 100th show to start joining up dots, the man on the mike, the host of the “Solopreneur Hour podcast”, the one and only Mr Michael O’Neal!   For more on the Solohour Podcast go to: The Solopreneur Hour Podcast with Michael O'Neal - Job Security...for the Unemployable By Michael O'Neal Chats with Proudly Unemployable Solopreneurs Like Himself Description They say successful people put their pants on the same way we all do. This show is about watching them put their pants on. Nominated As "Best New Show of 2013" by Stitcher Radio, Our range of guests takes us from comedy, to acting, to the NFL, to UFC and MMA, to Top Music Stars, to Millionaires, to Business Experts, to Real Estate moguls, and everything in between. Guests like Nicole Arbour, Adam Carolla, Hines Ward, Sam Jones, Tucker Max, Jonathan Fields, Derek Halpern, Pat Flynn, Amy Porterfield, John Lee Dumas, Chris Ducker, Chris Brogan, Guy Kawasaki, Mike Johnston, Rich Franklin, and many more, these casual conversations contain tons of action-inducing content wrapped up in an entertaining candy shell. Transcript Yes hello. How are we all? Can you believe it. Episode 100. We have been building up to this for well, it seems like a hundred episodes and we are finally here. We have got a man who who quite simply rose to the top and was going to be the only person who would fit the mantle of being my 100th guest. And I’ve had people banging down the doors. I had Paul McCartney phone up the other day and say I want to be on the show, I’ve heard it’s a big thing and I said to him, “Paul, unless you can get the other four Beatles to join you, it’s not going to happen” We’ve had  David Bowie crying. It’s been pathetic really. So today’s man has been nailed on to do this today, and I’m absolutely delighted that he’s on the show because quite simply without him I wouldn’t be on the microphone. So you know where to send all your complaints to! He’s a man with a fascinating story of successes, setbacks leaps and finding his unique voice. Growing up in Philadelphia he was a normal type of kid obsessed with football at school, and generally being a kid. But unfortunately that freedom of thought and energy changed when he was moved from his beloved Philly and taken down to Florida and it seemed to me this to stop him looking for his path in life. He didn’t fit in down in the sunshine state so soon as he could he got himself back up north and discovered one of the first dots in his life that links him to where he is today the Internet. He was fascinated by a World Wide Web so develop skills to be a web designer and as he’s known for 15 years until unfortunately his parents both passed away in a very short time and he found himself sitting with just fourteen dollars in his pocket. It was over thirty with a decision forced upon him. Would you accept the punches that life had dealt him or would he stop fighting back and that decision was made and he took steps that made him know too much and not want to work for anyone else again. He was going to become a solopreneur and own his own future. But how did he know he had the skills to be a success in the online arena and how did he know where his true passions lie? And does he regret inspiring guys want me to jump into the pool too. Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up thoughts the man on the microphone. The host of the Solohour podcast, the only Mr. Michael O’Neal. Well how are you Michael?   Michael O’Neal Oh here is what I can’t even what is happening. I am so flabbergasted by that intro. OK. Two things. Number one that was the best intro I’ve ever had. And formerly Chris Cerrone had that that title of the best in show to a show I’ve ever had. But it was one of the best I’ve ever heard for anybody which is why you are so the right person for this job. Well we’re all thankful you have a microphone in front of you David. Trust me on that. Second thing is I would pay to hear Zombie John Lennon if you could figure out a way to get all four Beatles on the show. That would be cool. David Ralph Well I can do Steve Jobs every day. So I might be able to do them as well. Michael O’Neal Ah so dude that was incredible. I am . I am flummoxed. David Ralph I’m so excited to be on David Ralph’s show. David Ralph – Yeah. Go go and do that because I know you have been doing an action of me on a few shows and we’ll show you a few times night. Yeah you got a little bumper for me on my show. I have these little things that when people ask you me I have a guest on the show that I have them do a little like Hi this is David Ralph and then I get interested in this opener with Mike O’Neill and your voice is so. What’s the first thing I ever said to you. I said you have the ultimate voice for radio. Didn’t I say that you did. Absolutely. David Ralph I haven’t got the face for television but I’ve got a voice for Radio Michael O’Neal Well as long as you’ve got the radio part worked out and you have taken this thing and you’ve run with it my friend. So I’m honored. I’m honored to be at the 100 episode Mark. Thank you. Thank you. David Ralph Absolutely. It is an honor to have you here because it is amazing when you start this thing,because you started your show what was it August 2013. Michael O’Neal Eleven month ago. David Ralph Yeah,11 months ago and now you are rocking and rolling with the best of them you surround yourself with, with the Internet movers and shakers the ziggers and zagers and you know you’re going to be humbled by this. So maybe you won’t. You are an online celebrity of note. When I was saying to people is my show a lot of people sort of touch on the shows of said to me I know who you’re going to have. And I said no you don’t. And I go Yes I know who you’re going to have and ego going and going to no one. And I when Martin O’Neill and I went oh term term how did I know. Really I know. Yes yeah I did it because I had pain you know I don’t want to suck up to you Michael but the early days I didn’t know what the hell I was doing. So I just kept on saying your name over and over again or some kind of benchmark of what I was trying to achieve because you like that you’d come out the gates really and say look like a rocket ship. It’s unbelievable. But you’ve only been around so long because it seems like you’ve been here ever in a day. Does it seems like that to you? Michael O’Neal It is weird. It does feel like it was yesterday that I launched the show. It feels really really recent to me that it happened. So but then at the same time I look at the memories that I’ve had over the last 11 months and all the cool benchmarks and you know different things that have happened and, but it’s packed full of stuff right. So I think if there’s any celebrity it’s sort of a z list celebrity and only at certain conferences. But yeah it’s been it’s been an incredible journey. I couldn’t be happier with how it’s gone. And I can’t wait to see what happens in the next 365. You know I’m really excited about that. David Ralph Is there a plan to the next 365 because you seem to me somebody who is very much stimulated by the now and then. Are you somebody who knows what you’re aiming to achieve? Michael O’Neal No I’m a notorious non planner. Much to the chagrin of my girlfriend who is a total planner and if I didn’t have the you know a calendar app on my phone I would be I would be completely floating out there now because I I wake up and I look at I go OK what do I have to do today. And then I see what’s going on for the day. And sometimes that doesn’t work out for me like in a social situation because people actually make plans to go out and do things. But and I’m not one of them. And all of a sudden it’s Friday I’m like I probably should have planned to do something. Yes I watch movies tonight. But yeah I I’m in an interesting spot right now because I have had this kind of five year run of as you mentioned in the intro bringing myself in this very circuitous path from $14 and not having a clear direction to now. When someone says What do you do. I say I’m a podcast host. And that’s a thing like I. That’s what I do. So I sort of a couple of weeks ago had an occasion to kind of put the cap on that five year journey and now I’m going to be looking ahead but I haven’t quite formulated what that ahead looks like yet. David Ralph And how did you do that? How did you put a cap on that. How did you say that is five years, finished boxed up? Michael O’Neal Well it was as i say I’m I’m a notorious non-celibrator. I’m a guy that usually gets to an achievement and then continues to go without acknowledging it. And I have what is probably a weird story that you’re asking for but hey here comes. So I’ve been a Porsche fan for my whole life. And you may already know where you’re heading with this but I was a Porsche fan my whole life and I don’t know why particularly. I was I had a Volkswagen in high school and I think that maybe planted to see a little bit and I was a car guy and so you know those Porsche ads from the 80s with like the big fender flares and the big wing. I think I was attracted to that and I eventually in 2003 I bought my first vintage Porsche so I bought a 1972 11 and it was a piece of crap. I bought it in New York. I didn’t know better. I drove across country midway across the USA and midway across the country the engine blew up. So that’s how badly. Where were you when this happened. I was in the dead heart middle of Nebraska when it happened in Nebraska I suppose. You it’s nothing. It is hundreds and millions of acres of wide open like cornfields and nothing else. I mean we are I was I have a picture of my car sitting looking like it’s a panther wading in the grass. Waiting to you know to prowl and it’s just sitting there with with like a hundred miles in each direction of grass. There was no middle of nowhere when it happened and I ended up finding a Volkswagen place 60 miles away that towed me in. And the guy dropped the oil pan in the car and just giant chunks of metal came out and I’m like I’m pretty sure that’s not how it’s supposed to be. So I ended up getting a tow truck driving it from Denver where I was living at the time and picking it up. Neither here nor there. So I eventually traded that piece of crap on and got a nicer one. Not when I bought it but in 2005 and I restored this car it took me four years and 2000 hours to restore this car back to better than factory condition when I still have it now. And as part of the dynamic this one in 1969 9/11 and the 69 through 73 nine elevens are very very sought after. They are the iconic 9/11. So when you would see Steve McQueen and a picture of him in the 60s you know you know in LA MA or something driving a 9/11 he was driving one of these sort of 69 to 73 virgins. And one of the sponsors of Porsche in the 60s was a company called Hoyer which was tag Hoyer before Tagg was involved in the mid-80s. So just Hoyer and it’s a guy named Jack Hoyer and he made these beautiful tiny pieces chronographs based on race timers. So you’d have a co-driver with you as a race car and there was a race in Mexico called the career of PanAmericana and the first Porsche Carrera was named after this particular race. So Hoyer as a sponsor of Porsche created a watch based on the chronographs that they used for the race cars and they called it the Hoyer Kura. So this was a very utilitarian type watch you could use it as a race time or you could just click one of the buttons and it had this chronograph on it. It was beautiful automatic beautiful timepiece. And as I’ve been going through this journey for five years this has been on my vision board because these are about three grand and above to get one of these watches. But that was so superfluous for me because I had no i like zero money. And for me to spend three grand on something as excessive as a watch wasn’t even on my radar. So about a month and a half ago now I was in this position where I was like this could be the time. And I scoured the world. I ended up buying a 1972 Hoyer Carrera from a guy in France and it came to my house and it was more beautiful in person than I. I’d never seen one in person is more beautiful than I even thought it could be. And I remember at the mid midday I’d gone to this little swimming pool by my house I belong to this little pool club which is where I work out and I was swimming in the middle of the day two o’clock in the afternoon like Tony Soprano in the middle of a work day and thinking I just did this like this just happened. This 5 year journey comes stops right now like this is where my new journey begins. I’ve gone through this trial by fire. I’ve come out hopefully like a phoenix. I’m in a position where I can buy this watch now which is insane to think about and I’m peaceful and grateful for the life that I’ve built. And so that for me was the cap of a five year struggle. I mean a real struggle to get to where I am today. David Ralph Mr. O’Neill is a perfect story. It started and it made me think if I’m ever in a pub quiz and a question about Portia comes up you’re my man that does it to Luli you are obsessed by that and you. The amount that you were quoting then. Michael O’Neal Ah. I mean I think. I think it’s kind of a lifetime obsession for people that become afflicted by it. In fact there’s a great ad I will send it to you on YouTube and there’s an ad for the new Porsche about the time the new Porsche Carrera ad and it was there it’s a little boy. And he’s a little kid in his classroom and he’s daydreaming and on 9/11 drives by him and you just see him like looking out the window and his pencil drops and you know then he he gets in trouble. And then he runs to the you know was on his BMX bike to the Porsche dealer after school and and he you know he ends up sitting in this car and the steering wheel is bigger than he is and you see Mike raised his head he’s 12 or something and that he goes to the dealer or the guy goes you have a card and the guy goes yeah here you go and he goes I’ll see in 20 years. And then there’s this great voice over that says something like there’s a there’s a there’s a particular moment that happens with you know a Porsche fan. There’s that time you want one. Then there’s the time you get one and for the truly affected afflicted there’s the 20 years in between. And it just like it gives you the chills and my buddies sent it. I sense my body goes man. Pass the Kleenex. So I guess there is a real passion there for this. It’s a very visceral feeling that is so different because of the way they build their cars and because the engines in the rear and it’s a totally different experience than you have with with any other vehicle that yeah there becomes a real passion a real obsession with him. Did you read that because this shows about joining up dots, but do you remember as a young kid having the same kind of obsessive compulsive in both words and things when when you was a little kid running around the streets of Philly pretending you Rocky did most will keep you alive without paying him for the Michael O’Neal No no no. I was a BMX kid. Now I was I was in a suburb. I was the only gentile I was in a super Jewish town north of Philadelphia. And I was a BMX or I rode my BMX bike. I mean I was from 1984 until I mean I was racing bikes from 84 until 2000. David Ralph So Rocky wasn’t on your radar at all? Michael O’Neal No not at all. Tony Hawk and Dave you know Dave Voelker and Matt Hoffman and you know BMX guys Bob horo. They were all on my radar. I’ll tell you here’s here’s a little here’s a join up dot that is current. I rode an entire daywith real wow I just blanked on his name. That’s embarrassing really. I’m killing myself right now this is bad radio. David Ralph What  does he look like? Michael O’Neal He’s a big famous director now and he will watch films John Malkovich. Being John Malkovich won a friggin Oscar. We’re ready. Come on. With it and it might seem seamless Spike Jones for crying out loud. David Ralph Spike Jones Michael O’Neal Yeah Spike Jones the director was a dude I rode with at a place called Rockville BMX and we were just BMX or dudes riding around. And then he he became a photographer for one of the BMX magazines and then started doing filming because he did Beastie Boys first video I forget which one and then started doing independent films then did Being John Malkovich and now he is like an international you know massive director like one of the best most well-reputed directors in the world. And it was kind of cool. I mean so he did adaptation he did Being John Malkovich Where the Wild Things Are You know just just done amazing stuff. So the Academy Awards. And so a pretty pretty bad ass. He did her you know the movie Her most recent Yeah that’s Spike Jones. David Ralph So is there any similarity between the young kid in Philly and now, because from what I see across the pond and I listen into the conversations that you have with your internet guys and it does seem from this side of the pond that you’ve got a gang of friends and followers and whatever that basically control the Internet. I had Rick Mulready on the show. And I said “Do you ever feel like slipping something into Pat Flynns drink, so that the next morning you turn on your screen and see if there’s a black hole on the Internet because he’s not functioning at this time because it kind of seems not” But he wouldn’t be pushed in to slipping a Mickey into his drink in any shape or form. But you seem a little bit edgy to most of them. Michael O’Neal Yeah. David Ralph Is that because you’re from Philly. Is it because he’s a very sort of industrial Con. Its a real city you know. Its like a working class city when you’re there. Michael O’Neal Yeah I think the the edginess is something that I’m kind of a known for. I don’t know if you curse on your show but I’m kind of a no B.S. kind of guy and I’ve never been one to straddle the fence very very much. And I think what happened with Irwin what happens with a lot of these sort of Internet type celebrities is that they’re so concerned about getting the broadest audience that they sometimes come off as being a little bit milktoast or a little bit vanilla. And I come from a totally different perspective where when you think about media you think about New York Philadelphia Boston. These are like the media centers of the world. It’s where you know you go to Boston College that’s one of the broadcasting school that’s where Howard Stern went. That’s where many very famous broadcasters come from those places I went to Temple University which has an incredible media department. And when you look at the people that are iconic in history they’re not people that are vanilla. There are people that have strong opinions one way or the other and people either love them or they hate them but they’re definitely them. So they definitely have a presence. They definitely have a voice that’s unique to them. And I think I always think it took me a little while to settle into that on my show but it is ultimately as you as I developed the show and I developed my own voice I realized hey I’m not in the interest of pleasing everybody. Like that’s not my job. My job is to talk from my perspective on certain issues and try to extract really good business advice from people without them or my audience really seeing what I’m doing. And one of my favorite quotes to that is and you probably heard me say before but which just never let him see your work. You know that’s from Bill Cosby also from my alma mater Temple University in Philly and that basically means that go through your process ask your questions you know have questions written down but you don’t have to be so blatant about it. You can you can ease through you know great standup comedians do this like Louis C.K. talks you know he’ll be sputtering and angry and going through all this process on stage and you think that that’s just how he is. You laugh at his angry energy but he knows all the beats within that he knows exactly what he’s doing within that realm and that is that is him not letting you see him work on him. David Ralph When your on the mike then how much is you now being absolutely authentic and how much is it creating a mood creating an atmosphere on the show. Michael O’Neal Well it can’t. Can’t you have both? David Ralph Oh I don’t know CAN you? Michael O’Neal What are you asking? Are you asking how much is sort of pre-written and how much is off the cuff? David Ralph Well on this show for example some of the things I say I only say to get a reaction from the guest. You know do I really mean it kind of. Do I think that they will go against it. Yes. So I will say it. How much do you actually say that you believe 100 percent. Michael O’Neal Well first of all you do that because you understand this and you’re a pro. I mean this is a very natural place for you to end up. So I think that that I do very similar things to you, as you do just because yeah sometimes you want to extract some stuff from a guest that is being difficult. But yeah I mean I’m pretty authentic dude. I there’s not a lot there’s people that have met me in real life and go Oh you’re exactly like you are on the show. Yeah Im exactly like I’m in the show. I turn it on and I talk so I don’t have this, I’m not affected in any way. I just go. David Ralph So you’re not like you haven’t got a human graphic equalizer when you press record you just kind of increase certain parts of your personality. Michael O’Neal Not really. No. This is pretty much how I am. Yeah I’ll speak like I speak. I’m probably slightly dirtier in real life. David Ralph Well you don’t know where the words will land do you! Michael O’Neal I probably curse a little more which is fine. I’ve done a few podcasts now where I was allowed to do that and it did make it really nice. David Ralph Are you in the same situation as me because I used to listen to your show all the time and it was a staple diet during my transition at that time and now I’m doing this. One of the failures of me is that I don’t get time to listen to other people’s shows. I listen to your one  the other day because I just suddenly realized I had a gap but you almost become an island of your own success where before I used to listen to shows and I used to think oh I’ll take a bit of it and I’ll take a bit of it and become like a magpie. And now I don’t know what vibe is out there and I don’t know whether I’m being edgy or whatever. It just seems to be you. Speaking to the mic and I throw it out to the world and hopefully it goes well. It seems to be a fault of mine, and so do you have the same thing? Michael O’Neal No I’m exactly the same way. I’d say partially by choice and partially by by time. So when I when I do have time to consume podcasts I don’t tend to go business. I tend to go comedy. And lately I tend to go NFL football. I listen to podcasts related to that because I want to be able to clock out a little bit when I do want real inspiration. I’ve been listening to here’s the thing with Alec Baldwin it’s WNYC. I’ve not heard a better intro or production or interview style than that show. It’s his in his intros are nothing short of brilliant. I mean they’re amazing how he brings a guest on an and then how he interviews and his questions are very in-depth and he’s such a pro that it makes it really easy for me to like look at that bar and go OK that’s where the soul open for hours going. That’s what I do. I actually honestly David I find now the more that I get into this show the more I almost can’t stand other people’s shows like there so few that can capture my attention and that I feel like are being done well even with really good friends of mine that do shows I just go and that is almost unlistenable. You know it’s so. So I just don’t I definitely look far above the kind of Internet Marketing slash business world for inspiration on how I want to run mine. David Ralph because the only two that I listen to now is yours. And I went on started. I wanted to listen to every single one. And but the nerdiest and there the only two reasons. Yeah great and Nerdist is good for a number of reasons. David Ralph Yeah I just like the way it kind of flows and you don’t even know it started and it just kind of teases right. Michael O’Neal That’s right. Yeah they just start it. We kind of did that today didn’t we. David Ralph Yeah absolutely and that was the good stuff. Michael O’Neal And we talked for a while before we started recording. You know me I mean it just felt like yeah hit it. Go for it. We’ll start like Nerdist. But yeah no I think that there’s a sense there’s such a glutton of new shows out there and I don’t. but if I’m being opinionated I don’t. There’s a lot of places where people are learning quote on quote how to podcast. And I think they’re feeding them crap information.So often a big problem. David Ralph And I know he’s a mate of yours and I wish him all the success in the world, but the problem is so many people are trying to duplicate John Lee Dumas and that’s not right. He came first and he created the structure of his show, and whether you like that format or whatever that is he’s and he’s made in his own by being him. And I hear these shows and after about three minutes I think oh my god it’s the same thing again. Now I will listen to your shows and I will go all the way through. But people miss a trick don’t lay up coming back to my all the time is finding your authentic self playing to your streams. And and if you do that you create a bigger loyalty. You know if you are totally yourself people either hate you or like you but the ones that like you will love you. And that’s where these people are missing out because they’re not even being authentic to themselves they’re just kind of a middle ground. Michael O’Neal Yeah. And John would tell you and I’ve said this a million times in front of him and said do you the success of your show or his show has nothing to do with his format. And it has nothing do with him as a podcast for that all. It has everything to do with the fact that he has a financial background writes great marketing copy and has a schedule and a rigidity too. He has a military rigidity because he was in the military to his to his business. And unless you come with that exact kind of background you will not have success in that way. People think that because of the way he does his show because it’s structured and because he has these set questions and does it seven days a week that that’s why he’s successful and is completely irrelevant to that. So the problem is is like you said so many people listen to that or they go to podcasters paradise and they learn a certain way to do things. And I’m almost diametrically opposed to every single thing that they’re learning. So it’s like it’s like man I it’s it’s frustrating for me in that way. And I shouldn’t say that like I want to rephrase that I’m not time actually oppose everything they’re learning what I’m what I’m worried about is that the things that I think make podcasting successful aren’t emphasized in a lot of training courses. And like you just said finding your own voice is a number one you have to be successful. You have to find your own voice and you have to have a great brand and it’s not something that people speak about a lot. Like I took a lot of cliff Ravenscroft stuff. I’ve taken all the stuff. I’ve seen a number of course is out there a lot of them don’t pay a lot of attention to that piece and I worry that with this next phase of podcasting and what’s you know since everyone’s starting a show they’re going to find it a lot harder to sustain it unless they’ve found their own voice on their voice. And and it’s within this brand that they’ve really created. So we’ll see. But that’s the jury’s out on that. David Ralph Did you really have to love doing this because I’m going to play a speech in my Jim Carrey and I’m actually I’m going to play now and we’re going to talk afterwards. This is Jim Carrey. Jim Carrey Sound Clip My father could have been a great comedian but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old. He was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father. Not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love. David Ralph Is that the true message that we should be getting across? Michael O’Neal Yes it is unfortunately the connecting of the dots joining of those two dots which is I found this thing that I love and now I have to figure out how to get paid for it is difficult. That’s a difficult journey. And that’s my that was my five year journey. Right. First not even knowing what it was that I loved. I had no idea I was going to podcast five years ago but I had an initial foray into public speaking. I started teaching social media on stage and I ended up traveling and going to 17 cities teaching people how to use social media to grow their business and I found it very like oh this is something I could be good at. And then that morphed into doing back end production on a podcast for a year and a half and just starting to understand the podcasting industry that finally morphed into me starting my own show and here we are. But it was a five year journey to find that you know like I had indicators of it and if someone in 2009 it said hey do you want to get. You want to make six figures and be a public speaker. I be like totally that be great. But at the time I had nothing to speak about. And now I do. So it’s kind of a I I do feel like you have to find something that will and you’ve probably seen this in your life with your show something that will make you walk into that studio and record an episode even if you’re exhausted or not in the mood or whatever because you truly love it and you’re excited about it. Oh yesterday. That’s how I am. Yeah I’ve had times when I’ve recorded 12 shows back to back and now I’ve. Why just because I knew I was going to do it seven days a week show and that was the hardest time I had. I had no internet for two weeks he just crashed on me and I suddenly panic but I didn’t have enough to cover. And I was going away as well. So yes seven days a week he goes out and I needed the boke. And so I did it and I started off at six o’clock in the morning and I just went through through move through and I edited and I did everything in the gap between when I recorded the next one and he just went seamlessly. And when I pressed record yes I was on I was on. Once I was off it was just like I was you know on drugs or something I was just slump too much. But it wasn’t until the very last ones that I realized actually about that passion that you’re talking about the ability to actually do it when you’re tired. I’ve gone past by and I was actually feeling ill. And I remember doing this show and the sweat was pouring off me and I listened back to and it doesn’t sound like it but I realized brain actually no you’ve got to look up to yourself as much as you do actually doing something. Yeah I’m very committed to that. DAVID It’s I have I have three sort of pillars if you will that I do I think make a good soul a partner or a successful soul a partner. And there’s there’s time freedom there’s financial freedom and there’s location freedom. And so the first one is really easy time freedom simple you walk into your boss’s office tell him to go screw himself and then you have time freedom. There you go. Location freedom. You can pretty much just get in a car and go somewhere that we have that kind of freedom in the U.K. and in the United States. Yeah there’s some complications in between. But technically you can just go do that. It’s the financial freedom part. That’s the tricky part of the three. That is a little harder. But I find that I’m so unwilling to compromise my time freedom. I’ve turned down so many more so much more money because it would compromise my time freedom like I could have a lot more coaching clients and a lot more people in my my group coaching. It’s called Solo lab. But with that I would have to commit another couple of days to taking care of them and I’d I’m willing to do that at all. Like i will i love my life the way it is right now and I can be comfortable financially I can go do fun things. And I don’t have to compromise that. And you know hopefully I can continue to grow and continue to you know make more money maybe have more speaking gigs things like that but I don’t intend on working any harder. I just want to you know work smarter maybe try to over deliver a little more to my audience and that’s what I’m looking for. Well was sensible and that’s exactly what I want to do as well because I hate these people and it’s almost like a badge of honor. But I’ve quit in nine to five job. And then you go yes I’m an online marketing do I do this I’m a diva and I cook my time and I’m doing 80 hours a week and I think right. Right. What the hell do you do that. Why don’t you just do two days hard work and have the rest of the time of it. It seems stupid that I say that. That’s right. And it’s. It does. It is counter intuitive. The thing is when my parents passed away you mentioned this in the intro when they did that. My perspective on time completely shifted and I just I. Life’s too short. So I am very much a person that says both. When someone says would you like this or this. I say both. When I get an opportunity to do something I say yes. Win you know and I just do it like it’s a thing that I have committed to and not mentally like I don’t just go yeah this is what I’m going to do from now on. I just do it now I just say yeah let’s do that. That sounds fun. Let’s just go for that. I’m going to go on a hike. Yeah. Great book a ticket. You know and we just do it. And I found that that has served me really well because when I do that and I put that as a priority in my life then the the stuff that I’m not so thrilled about I still end up having to do it. It still fills in the blanks but my priority is to really extract the most that I can out of my life and I’ll tell you not a person that does that well I think as John John Lee Dumas he works probably a little more like the person you were just mentioning. He works a lot but he’s also great at saying yes when when something comes across his desk he goes yeah lets do that. And it’s like on the schedule. And I think that’s that’s part of I think what that’s part of success. To me that’s part of what success feels like is being able to do that. I remember hearing an interview with Billy Joel and the interviewer said to him Billy you’ve sold X squillion albums and singles and you’ve done these tours and you play Madison Square Garden five straight nights. What has success given you. And he just said time and that was it. He can wake up each morning and if he doesn’t want to do something he doesn’t. And that single word resonated with me hugely especially when I was in my 9 to 5 job and I realized then that things were not right. And why should I be doing a nine to five job when there are options I suppose. I began to know too much. And then once you know too much brain you realize you can’t ever go back. Michael O’Neal Yeah. It’s really really is a one way street. It also but that carries over as well into my personal life as well. And I think when the there’s ever such a different confidence now just in my life in general and I think Billy Joel would sort sort of anybody that reached a level of success has this this this underlying confidence about them that is very attractive not only to you know the opposite sex but it’s what attracts other successful people to you. There’s just there’s a subtlety in actions and just how really how you go through life when you’re confident that is very attractive to you know both both people both sexes and that is something that people pick up on pretty easily. You become a success back humor don’t you. You know the old Jim rhône thing about you know the average of you know five people to surrender a lot of people I talked to. Yeah. I mean a crappy job and all these miserable people all the time. How can I surround myself. And one of the things I say to them is you know focus on success because the more success you get and the more competence as you say they end up a successful people get sucked into your world and suddenly you created what he was saying. It’s not easy to do. But it certainly is a mindset that starts moving in that direction. That’s right. And you it’s funny you just asked that question of me is how do you now you’re on it you’re on an island so you’re you’re in the UK you’re not. I’m in San Diego so I get to have a bunch of people around me at all times. I will say though we don’t get together. I mean you know we get together as friends but I’m not in a mastermind with any of these people around me. We don’t sit there and me out. So you know to answer your question I’m mean answer answered on my show tomorrow. But you’ve got to join a group you’ve got to join a group mastermind of some sort. And there’s really no other way. If you if you’re not surrounded by those five people that that you feel are motivating you in a way that that is bettering your life and hopefully their lives. You’ve got to separate from those people and find the people that are doing that and pretty much everyone I know that’s in this you know business Internet Marketing podcasting world has some sort of coaching program. And my best advice is to get people that you really enjoy like how they speak and like how they deliver and join their group and that’s it. And you know once you’re a part of that community you’ll be a lot more apt to be motivated you know learn the things you want to learn. It’s part of the reason why I don’t need to listen to podcasts anymore because I have so many people in my group that are doing cool things. I get to learn about all the cool new stuff without having to go listen. They sort of comes to me. So so do you now feel that you’re ahead of the curve. Because when when you started the show I remember you saying it’s the Wild West and now it seems like every man Dogan whatever has made me a podcast. So do you think now about you it’s not the Wild West but you actually ahead of the curve. It’s good. Get a question. Yes and no I think it’s still the wild west. I think that people in this environment aren’t necessarily looking in the right direction to advance their business where they should be. Let me clarify that. I think inspiration for how someone’s podcast get better gets better doesn’t happen within the new podcasting community. It happens with old media. Then you go look at how you all learn how to interview you go study Howard Stern if you want to learn how to produce an an excellent show. You go you know you look at and some an NPR show or something like that like a where a BBC show something that you know pay close attention to how people are introducing guests and what they’re how they do their ads and how they integrate you know clips from this person’s body of work into their intro or into the show itself. So I think there is really a professional side to this that will ultimately come out. For me personally what I’ve realized over the last couple of months and this is something that I think you can you can sort of strap on as a badge of honor as well is that I’m a better interviewer than most. Just in general I’m more intuitive and I have more range of knowledge so I can connect those dots. You know I can join those dots. And that’s what makes for a compelling and entertaining interview no matter who you are it’s the people that have the pre-scripted questions that I think are really going to struggle because that’s that’s very exhausting to an audience. So on one side I think I’m still really ahead of the curve in that. I come from this and as do you come from this background this history of paying attention to interviewers and then sort of bringing this natural ability to the microphone that 99 percent of people don’t have. And that’s the building not only to interview someone in a business sense and extract what they do for a living but actually make an entertaining hour of programming for someone. And in my opinion they can get the business data from 80000 podcasts that are on iTunes but it’s really hard to get entertainment out of it. And that’s what I’m trying to bring to the table and I think that’s what you do a really great job bringing to the table as well because because what I’ve realized you know was a complete nobody is basically the very first interview I did was no you weren’t Yes. Stop it. Tom Mocha’s was episode your line on the line. Me right now David. And he was a huge inspiration to me so I wanted him as guest number one. And he was talking to a gentleman called John Lee Dumas and so awful who’s is CHEP never heard of him. And I went over to his show and the very first show I listened to was episode 3 2 2 which was yourself and kidding. That was I didn’t know that. Yeah that was the very first episode. And the fascinating thing about it was which got me on the show and this is my sort of join up thought was the fact that everything you see in life is normally about benchmarking against success. You see people already Veja and you go I’d like to do that but it worked for him he’s had this skill he’s got that you know he’s a natural that’s for sure. On that show on 0 5 3 2 2 you hadn’t even lunged and he was saying to you you know when are you going to go and you and I’m going to go on Wednesday or whatever it was. And I tuned in and I listened or whatever you do you click on it you don’t tune into you. But I heard you speak for the very first time and I found it fascinating because I was seeing but not some bouts of somebody finding their way. And you was saying Yeah and I had 17 downloads and it wasn’t that you were looking at success you were looking at somebody finding their flow finding them. Moving on. And that’s right. But that’s what really flavored my show was the fact that you were doing something that seemed natural and you were holding your hands up and you going really. I don’t know if this is going to work but hey if it doesn’t change we’ll move on later on. And remember you did this show and it was it was some chap I don’t remember who was with them on the on the beach somewhere and calls were whizzing past and your battery ran out half way through. Yes and yes you still put out and I thought that’s interesting because what he’s saying back is not that this show has got to be polished and perfect what he’s saying is is a journey and I’m going to improve from that and that be the last time that my battery runs out halfway through. That’s right and it was definitely the last time that happened. Yeah. Yeah it’s a good way to good insight. I see. If I were doing it again yeah I would probably do the same thing again. I was I’ve been always sort of a fan of the let’s just put it out at that at that time. I was leaning more on my hopeful interview skills than I was like ultimate show quality and since I’d already put out a couple of episodes it wasn’t that bad but I really loved the guys story. So I was like yeah there was Harry. Harry Smith was the guy’s name and. And. And I thought yeah let me let me throw that on. And why not. What happened. You know and somewhere. This is what’s so cool about this right. You heard one single episode I did from Johnny Dumas which was like a random occurrence. And look how much it’s affected both of us. Yeah. Just that one thing. So if one little episode you put out catches the right person it can literally be life changing. I will say something. I want your listeners to go to solo our solo our dotcom and I want you to go back to like three. I don’t know let’s say pre 70s so anything from episode like I don’t know one until episode 70 and I want you to click on those posts and read how great David’s comments are for the episodes. They are so insightful and brilliant. And you do such a great job summarizing. I think I even wrote you once and said Do you want to write my show summaries. Remember that you did and it was just that the crux of me doing this and I knew I was just going to stall so cool. So I am and you still you just did it the other day when you were that episode you listened to. You do such a great job summarizing. You’re going to be such a smash successful podcast. David Yeah I have no doubt whatsoever you are going to I hope you will let us be on your show someday when you do these live broadcasts in front of you know a hundred thousand people at the Wembley Stadium. Did you know when you start this and I’m really going to open up here so I don’t really have a Chevez. But when you start based you want it to be so good and you want it to be brought in and you kind of. There were job. You look back on them and you go OK yeah that wasn’t quite where I wanted to be but it was all right. And then you hit sort milestones and you listened back to some of these shows I don’t know if you listen to yours and I thought oh that was a bit closer to what I had in my head my original vision. And I got to show it E.T. and that’s when I suddenly realize Michael that was the host of a show and it was my responsibility to be the host to even I think he was too grateful for people giving up their time to be on my show. I it was a complete mind set. Now I want this to be the biggest show out there. I absolutely do. And it’s all I can focus in on and it’s in many ways it’s killing me or my life is totally out of whack. But all I want is about is the number one thing upset that on any show because it sounds a bit arrogant really I’m upset. Once we’ve stopped recording them when somebody asked me about it that is where I want to be and I want to be join up not as a brand. Exactly as you say. Right. Because it’s one of those things that you kind of go join up towards. What does it mean. And I’m very aware of if you provide quality and content as quality brand in many ways take care of itself. It’s like we always talk in the early episode the name that was always mentioned was Pat Flynn. And you know he’s got that classic smart passive income and you forget that’s a premium brand but actually he’s only three words put together and he’s because he’s provided that great content and quality and value. But it becomes the kind of the trust word where what he’s trying to achieve. That’s right in he that he can live that now. But I actually want I want to focus on something you said just before that you will be bigger than him and so will I. And I know I don’t mean that like he doesn’t have the same aspirations as you do. Right. And I’m saying in terms of podcasts in terms of like Pat wants to speak I’m not speaking for him here but just knowing what I know about him. He he is sort of the crash test dummy of internet marketers. So he does all these really cool things on the web. I want my show to become about like I want to. I want to be interviewing complete legitimate A-listers you know and finding out about their kind of business and so normal journey. That’s where I will see the show going. And because of that if when and if I get to that point. The show the podcast itself will be bigger than all of the internet marketing type podcasts. Does that make sense. Yeah it’ll be way bigger than that. It’ll be more like Nerdist. You know Chris Hardwick gets killer guests on his show and that’s why his podcast is you know number one number two number three on iTunes overall. And so it’s it’s one of those things that that I it’s what I aspire to do as well is to get working within this world like real A-list category of people because I think that they’ll appreciate talking about their journey. And so that’s where I want to head with that. Also I was very strategic and I changed direction. I realized that when I started I was just throwing out the net to anyone and anyone would jump on the show. I would have them round about sort of thing once again I thought to myself no I can’t do this because when I was looking at other people’s shows I was thinking Oh I’ve been on my show I’ve been on my show and it was just the sort of hybrid of people doing the rounds. So I went off in a different direction. So if you listen to episode 88 I had Cathy O’Dowd who was the first woman to hit the summit of Everest from both sides. I’ve got the first civilian astronaut coming on the show. I’ve got a chap over a few years ago was worldwide news because he sold his life on e-bay and he’s just sold his life to Disney and all that kind of stuff. So I realized I had to change direction to become more unique to be more interested by the stories more. Yes. Extract out of them what I wanted to show to the world and that was my original vision but I couldn’t say Eva until later on in the journey. Yeah and that’s really what you’ve done. That’s the whole point. That’s why you will be successful because you’ve you’ve done this in a sort of a different way in your life when you look back to sort of the Philadelphia kid and you riding around on your BMX and all that kind of stuff. Well you just sort of wanting to be the classic sports kid was. If you look back and now we all going to send you back in time soon on the Sermon on the mike. No I was a show off though. I think I think I was you know a performer of some sort and the PA is I keep is that makes my colonial who he is to play better racquetball with an audience. Yes. Every single time. Yeah I think so. I think there’s that’s there that’s in there. It’s in the DNA for sure. I don’t use that a lot but it’s in the DNA. I work better in a performance environment which is presumably why I kind of screw myself on the show intentionally. I don’t I I prepare in a way where I I’ve researched my guest as you have. You know you know and you certainly listen to the show but at times you know a little bit about me and you’re able to then naturally structure questions that that dovetail into my history and that’s what a good interviewer does. I don’t write a lot of questions out sometimes intentionally and that’s because I there’s something about the performance side. I realize now that I’m I’m doing this the shows this this month I’ve got over 300000 downloads for the first time and this is a and I realize so there’s people listening and I have to perform. You know what I like it. It makes me it UPS my game. I’m live on the show. And I think I do that to myself on purpose because because I work better in that environment a lot maybe underpressure a little. Well we’re very similar. It’s fascinating. I feel like I’m finding out the real Marcantonio here. Where is the person behind the that the presenter. Because I am somebody who has spent my life doing training courses and presentations and that’s my job. I’ve never done this kind of thing. It was totally BA and I’m somebody very much likes to be on their own likes no one near them. And then when I suddenly go ping. That’s it. It’s performance time. And I don’t know if it’s showing off or trying to create a different persona for myself because that’s kind of not naturally me. But I do have the ability to raise my game and present a different side to myself if you know me deep down you would say to me different people that the people who know me from seeing where I allow them to see me they would say yeah you it’s like I’m on the mike as you are when you normally doing those things because I’m letting them see what they want to see. Yeah. Yeah I mean I think there’s there’s an element of that and again I want people to understand this is why we and we talked earlier about sort of what John brought to the table. And I’m you know people look at my show and say it’s it’s been it’s it’s been pretty successful in the first 11 months just overall debt is not that’s not a fluke because I didn’t just start in August of 2013 with kind of media. You know I’ve been a professional drummer my whole life. I’ve performed I’ve been on I’ve been a racer I’ve been you know a competitive racquetball player for for many many tournaments for many many years now and before that it was tennis. So I’ve always been performing in some way or the other. I I coached for five years on teaching people social media in front of huge audiences. I’ve played Red Rocks in front of 10000 people like me being on a microphone and being natural at it is not something that happened overnight. It’s a it’s this is something that you walked in with. You’ve been training for years before you turned a mike on yourself. So it’s kind of like Yeah right yeah. You were new to podcasting but not nuda trying to translate a concept from one person to an audience like that’s something you’ve been doing for a long time. So so that’s I think that it’s a bit of a misnomer within our industry that yeah anybody can you know podcast or anybody can start blah blah blah. That’s kind of cool I get it. Yes technically you can turn on an app you can go to boss jock on your iPhone and upload it to clips and you’ve got a podcast but can you do it. Well can you do it so that when someone switches from morning radio or Howard Stern or the BBC to your podcast that they don’t notice a huge drop off in quality or you know sound quality interview quality production quality that’s that’s what I try to bring the table and I think you do the same thing. So is that what you’re saying really and I’m going to play the words of Steve Jobs because he says it very well as well but no experience is wasted. It doesn’t matter what you’ve done in your life you will pull elements and you extract what you need to create your new path. Out 100 percent. Absolutely yes. Everything you’ve done up until this point is does training for you for this next phase. When I have people on their show and we have these episodes called Find your swing I want to find out everything that person has done because it find your swing is like well what do I do. Like what am I naturally gifted at how can I make money off of something that I really enjoy that I’m passionate about that’s what finding your swing is. And it’s I want to find out like what you did when you were a kid. Were you an athlete did you or you or you a professional knitter you like to knit hats. You know like what is it what do you do. And when people can start accessing those things that they’ve done their whole lives they’re really gifted and I like to find ways that we can use those talents in whatever their next business endeavor is. We call about connecting our past to build our future and here. And one of the names as come out is if you really want to know your passion really want to know what you’re naturally good at. Don’t think about what you were doing in adult life because very much you would have been taking a responsibility for a wage or whatever. Look at what you was doing as a kid when you weren’t being paid for it. And if you was a drama when you was a kid and you loved doing it then try and look at something that would do that. And he says that exactly the same way as you do it and you’ll find your swing episodes. That’s right. And I and I love those. Again that’s another instance where we totally put ourselves on the spot. I have a co-host. Her name is Dawn Mars. For those episodes and we never read the questions first. Like I only you know sometimes I glance at them to see just a copy and paste them into my Evernote when we’re doing the show. But we were reading them and answering them live and which again has another element of pressure that we’ve got to come up with an answer and these people are literally like I’ve had people that have taken what we’ve said on the show. They’ve made a business from it like the next day they’ve gone and done it. So it’s it can be a little daunting. And I was going to ask you earlier you know your show’s growing now and this this will be big your show will have a huge audience at some point and I’ve asked this with other people that are in the space. Have you yet felt this sense of responsibility that comes with that the fact that you’re speaking into a microphone and someone’s actually listening to what you’re saying. Yeah. With power comes great responsibility. And it’s funny the very first show I released I got two e-mails and they were from people I’d never met and they were saying thank you so much for putting the show out there and I thought oh my God. And from that moment of being very aware of what I’m saying or being very aware of I don’t know where my words are landing. And of also having a conversation with my wife this afternoon saying if this really takes on. Just as I want it to really take on I’m a little bit scared but I haven’t got the value to provide the audience but I won’t and I don’t know why that is because you know success is everything you want. But I suddenly felt a pressure because I can see the downloads increasing increasing increasing. I can see the work coming towards me and I’m doing this seven days old on my own. There’s not one person that helps me and I’m also balancing other responsibilities as well. So this isn’t my only so restrained I suddenly freaked this afternoon for the exact reason that you said oh my god this is power this is responsibility. I’ve got to be careful with it. Yeah. Have you also found it. I agree. I felt that in some I haven’t had yet. Hey buddy come back to me I’m like you ruin my life but I’ll show it. That’s going to have to happen right. Someone will listen to something you’ve said or I’ve said and they’re going to do it and it’s not going to work for them and we won’t have the details but they’re going to say I listened to you when you were in my life. That’s going to happen. There’s no way it that doesn’t happen. When you’re when you grow this thing to where it can go there’s no way that doesn’t happen. Well think shows a slightly different note because you teach nuts and bolts. I think with my show I talk about hope and I told you why leap of both. Yeah I really think I teach nuts and bolts because that’s that’s I feel like there’s a lot of shows that do that specifically. And I I feel like I teach more of the journey and then the nuts and bolts sort of fall from there. Well I think that’s the same thing. I think what you do you you talk about the journey you get the cogs working in your own brain and brain when you throw out the nuts and bolts which you probably don’t think have got value as such. You’re already using those cokes and you’re thinking yeah I can use that yeah I can tell you that that’s exactly what happened with me. You know I couldn’t see how to do this because I’ve never done this. But just by you having conversations with people you take the element and you take the element and you take that element and what do you do. He’s been up to you as an individual to put it together. Yeah I actually find myself pretty. I can be very socially awkward at the beginning and I sometimes I’ve actually accessed my I’ve switched into interview mode when I’m meeting someone in real life. I just watch on Mike I like my mentally switch on a podcast microphone in front of me and I found it so much easier to have conversations with people that way. So that’s kind of interesting to me is bizarre. I’m getting ready to play Steve Jobs now because I’m fascinated to see your spin on this. And this is the fulcrum of the whole show so this is a job. Don’t be free to do that of course it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward. When I was in college but it was very very clear looking backwards. Ten years later again you can’t connect the dots looking forward. You can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something your gut destiny life karma whatever because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart even when it leads you off the well-worn path. And that will make all the difference. When I’m going to ask a different question because I think you’ve answered it already but you will say yes you believe in it. But why do you think so many people don’t believe in that. I think that’s a lot. Most people get hung up on the how of something for example I think that we we pick a point be right we pick a point B that’s there’s the dot so I’ve got this I want to I want to do I want to have this show. And to get this show together I need this this this this this this this and we get stuck in the details of the this this this this this instead of. All right I’m going to sort of flow through this. All I want to do is get to that thing. I’m not sure how I’m going to get there yet but I’m going to I don’t really know. And by the time you get there and you look back and go wow that is not the path that all that I was going to take. My favorite metaphor. Or maybe it’s an analogy I forget but for this is if you and I were sitting at a cafe and I there was you know a three story building across the street and I said David there’s a hundred thousand pounds sitting in a bag on the roof of that building across the street. You have 15 minutes to get it. How fast would you be out the door to go get that money. I’d be on the right run the window right but you wouldn’t know how you were going to get it. You had no idea how to get to the roof of that building. You just knew you were getting to the roof. You don’t know if you’re going to you know helicopter down you know if you’re going to call the fire department to take you up there or you know scale like Spiderman but you’re getting to the roof of that building somehow. And I think what successful entrepreneurs do is they just keep their eye on that that you know that bag the bag that’s on the roof. They’re not quite as concerned about the how part. And we very much get concerned about the how part. And the second piece of that is when someone gives you an opportunity I just said this a little earlier when someone gives you an opportunity. Our instinctive reaction is to say no because of this this and this versus just instinctive to say yes and I’m going to figure out how to work out this this and this and that is a huge mental shift even though it’s very subtle. It’s just yes and no. But if you’ll find that people in your world that are really successful or really look like they’re just having a great time. They’re the ones that say yes first and then figure out how it’s going to work after and most of the people that are stuck and they don’t get from that one dot to the next dot. Those are the ones that say no because you know I I can’t live in San Diego because I have kids in school or because I can’t afford the move or because whatever we can come up with 15 different ways. But in reality all that stuff can be worked out. So I think that’s how I would respond to that and I hope that helps someone. So what scares you this is probably my final question before I send you on the mike and you can have a one on one with your younger self. As you all know and you’ve got these rocking and rolling show everything’s going well you’ve just bought these the watch you’ve finished off the last five years and everything’s good and you’ve got a lovely new girlfriend. What scares you. Well when you look at what you need to achieve. What scares me. I have to say I look at the bank being intimidated or being excited. I sort of treat the same way. So I don’t get super excited about everything and I don’t get scared about everything. I gosh I mean I don’t I I can honestly say I don’t have that for the same reason when someone said you know when I was so literally I was scraping up change so I could take in an airport shuttle for a ticket that was paid for by somebody else to go speak in front of 3000 people and that in which I was going to make $5000 or whatever that weekend. A few years ago I I literally had to scrape $8 up so I could take the shuttle like in change so I could take the shuttle to get to the airport that I had. I had $18 in my bank account at the time. And so it wasn’t enough to get the cash out of the machine. So I wasn’t worried about it. I’ve never been worried about stuff like that and I didn’t even know what success was going to look like for me. But I had a feeling that I was destined for it. And that’s the only way I can say is that it was it was very innate and I didn’t know where it was going to come from but I was very patient about it. Now I was also very patient about about you know I knew I was going to meet a great woman at some point and I was able to reach you know like you said read about a year ago but but recently. So I think that I have that that vibe that that it’s the same reason I don’t plan a lot. I just don’t. I’m living very much in the moment as I go day by day. And for better or for worse I don’t plan as much as I probably could or should. But right now I’m not really you know scared about anything. I mean I could say you know the show doesn’t grow at all. But even if it doesn’t I’m live in a great life right now. So I guess I’m not even that scared of that. OK last question before we send you back this time. Is it easier to move forward when you’ve hit rock bottom and you really did hit rock bottom. Yes it is. It’s easier for me to keep perspective on it. I just last weekend went to I went to Napa Valley with my girlfriend’s family and it was a very first class trip like from private private jet from San Diego to Napa Valley which I’ve never done before my life and everything was super exclusive super like Michelin star first class and I was like man I don’t want to be here like this. No I don’t mean like I didn’t want to be at the weekend. I just I don’t want to live in that universe of that sort of high end world. And that’s it. I I remember looking longingly at a train that goes through Napa Valley and it stops at all these different wineries and I’m kind of like Man I wish I would’ve just taken the train and gotten kind of drunk at the third winery and kept going and that would’ve been a really fun day. Instead it was like this you know 12 people serving our table kind of thing and it just wasn’t me. But my my Philly boy sort of like Kragen pragmatist personality carried me through that whole weekend thinking yeah I would be fine with stopping at a fast food place now and going to another winery. We don’t have to go to a hundred dollar plate dinner you know. And so I think if anything it’s given me perspective and there’s one more piece of perspective that in my very very lowest time and it was very low. And I thank you for not like making me go through that again like 40000 other shows have but I had a I remember the current hurricane Katrina had hit the southern United States and it just decimated New Orleans. And this was literally at my lowest time. And I remember looking on the news and seeing like a little 9 year old little black kid who everybody in his family died. Right. And he lost everything like lost every piece of memory he ever had including all of his family members. And he’s this kid who doesn’t have much of an education. He’s a minority. He doesn’t have a lot of opportunity that are coming coming to him and I remember thinking all right no matter what happens I’m a white male with a skill set in United States and that’s not and that’s not to be racially insensitive I’m looking. That was a practical. OK. So no matter what my situation is I can’t complain like I’m starting with these four advantages that a lot of people all over the world don’t have. I will be given opportunities that a lot of people don’t have and that really kept me grounded like that there was this you know that some people had to struggle to get to what I had innately by birth that I had nothing to do with. So that really kept me grounded and it still keeps me grounded to this day is that I always realize that there’s people out there that do not have the same opportunities that I knew the answer. Mike are we going to put you on the Sermon on the mike now. This is when we send you back in time lost a young Marty McFly to have a one on one with yourself and if you could go back in time. What age would you choose and what advice would you say. So I’m going to play the music and when he gets out you’re up. This is the Sermon on the mike. Here. We go with the speed of this. This man. Who. I think that first of all very handsome very very talented man couldn’t congratulate now. If you could work on harnessing that Philly attitude a little bit just over the next few years if you could take the edge off of that. Not everybody is out to get you and focus on building some relationships that you will sustain forever without having that kind of you know screw you Gene. Not Eugene. I don’t know anybody named Eugene. I’m not trying to signal that that will serve you in the future. Yeah. So to some or to to to bring that and I know that was very short but to bring that in I feel like over the last few years I’ve been able to take this. There was a bit of filea attitude like where if someone slighted me in any way that was it they were erased like done. And there was no real going back. It was partially like it was a Scorpio in me that that that’s sort of like had that stinger. And I you know it’s it’s the it’s the patience I have now which is maybe a little bit of it’s I wouldn’t say less judgment because I think judgment makes for good comedy. But but it’s just maybe being a little more empathetic to people’s situations and realizing that that people aren’t always in control of their actions and sometimes they’re going through a learning process as well. And to just instantly give them the guillotine and out of one’s life is not the most productive way to go through things. I don’t do that anymore but I did it for a number of years and I think it was just a reaction to losing my parents and it being so so much. OK Wolf I’m going to lose this anyway I might as well just cut it right off. And I think that didn’t that didn’t serve me for a long time. So I’d fix that. Michael how can our listeners connect with you sir. Well you know this. Oh I know you say you say in an American Xon is better I would say the same thing if you were speaking in a British accent. By the way you going to come on my show some time. I would love to come on your show it oh no great. And Howard Jones I want him to go. Has he been on your show yet. No he isn’t knocking me back. He said he would and not me but I’ve called a few of them that sign up for it. And then you just come down and that’s a drag. Anyway the show is called the Solar Perner hour. The Web site because no one can spell pre-New or is solo our dotcom. And if you’d like some coaching give a coaching program yet. I’ve only been focused on building you audience. That’s good. Well so if anybody needs coaching including you my friend I can’t believe you’re not in solo lab. I want solo lab dotcom and we’d love to have you in our really cool community. Mancow thank you so much for spending time with us tonight joining up those dots on the 100th episode and it’s quite the world’s longest episode of ever done as well. Please come listen. Is. Yeah we were about seven minutes past what we normally do. So come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting up pasts is the best way to build a future. Mr. Michael O’Neill thank you so much. And thank you.

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  • Michael ONeal The Host Of The Solopreneur Hour Podcast Joins The Dots On The 100th Show

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    Todays guests is Mr Michael ONeal, the podcasting master behind the hit Itunes show "The Solopreneur Podcast". The top ranked business show, or The Solohour as it is known to its friends, teaching online marketing and entrepreneurship skills.  Michael is a man who quite simply without him, then I wouldn't be on the mic today. So you know where to send all your complaints too. He is a born entrepreneur with a fascinating story, of successes, setbacks, leaps of faith, and finding his unique path with the guidance of John Lee Dumas and Pat Flynn. Growing up in Philadelphia, the thought of being the host of his own podcast show was the last thing on his mind. He was a normal type of kid, obsessed with sport, finding trouble at school, and generally being a kid. But unfortunately that freedom of thought and energy changed when he was moved from his beloved Philly, and taken down to Florida, and it seems to me this was the start of him looking for his path in life. He didn’t fit in down in the Sunshine State, so as soon as he could, he got himself back up North, and discovered one of the first dots in his life that links him to where he is today…the internet. He was fascinated by the worldwide web, so developed skills to be a web designer. And that was his life for fifteen years, until unfortunately his parents both passed away in a very short time, and he found himself sitting with just $14 dollars in his pocket. He was over 30, with a decision forced upon him. Would he accept the punches that life had dealt him, or would he start fighting back? And that descision was made and he took the steps that made him “Know too much” and not want to work for anyone else again? He was going to become a solopreneur and own his own future. But how did he know he had the skills to be a success in the online arena? How did he know where his true passions lie? And does he regret inspiring guys like me to jump into the pool too? Well lets find out as we bring onto the 100th show to start joining up dots, the man on the mike, the host of the “Solopreneur Hour podcast”, the one and only Mr Michael O’Neal!   For more on the Solohour Podcast go to: The Solopreneur Hour Podcast with Michael O'Neal - Job Security...for the Unemployable By Michael O'Neal Chats with Proudly Unemployable Solopreneurs Like Himself Description They say successful people put their pants on the same way we all do. This show is about watching them put their pants on. Nominated As "Best New Show of 2013" by Stitcher Radio, Our range of guests takes us from comedy, to acting, to the NFL, to UFC and MMA, to Top Music Stars, to Millionaires, to Business Experts, to Real Estate moguls, and everything in between. Guests like Nicole Arbour, Adam Carolla, Hines Ward, Sam Jones, Tucker Max, Jonathan Fields, Derek Halpern, Pat Flynn, Amy Porterfield, John Lee Dumas, Chris Ducker, Chris Brogan, Guy Kawasaki, Mike Johnston, Rich Franklin, and many more, these casual conversations contain tons of action-inducing content wrapped up in an entertaining candy shell.   Yes hello. How are we all? Can you believe it. Episode 100. We have been building up to this for well, it seems like a hundred episodes and we are finally here. We have got a man who who quite simply rose to the top and was going to be the only person who would fit the mantle of being my 100th guest. And I’ve had people banging down the doors. I had Paul McCartney phone up the other day and say I want to be on the show, I’ve heard it’s a big thing and I said to him, “Paul, unless you can get the other four Beatles to join you, it’s not going to happen” We’ve had  David Bowie crying. It’s been pathetic really. So today’s man has been nailed on to do this today, and I’m absolutely delighted that he’s on the show because quite simply without him I wouldn’t be on the microphone. So you know where to send all your complaints to! He’s a man with a fascinating story of successes, setbacks leaps and finding his unique voice. Growing up in Philadelphia he was a normal type of kid obsessed with football at school, and generally being a kid. But unfortunately that freedom of thought and energy changed when he was moved from his beloved Philly and taken down to Florida and it seemed to me this to stop him looking for his path in life. He didn’t fit in down in the sunshine state so soon as he could he got himself back up north and discovered one of the first dots in his life that links him to where he is today the Internet. He was fascinated by a World Wide Web so develop skills to be a web designer and as he’s known for 15 years until unfortunately his parents both passed away in a very short time and he found himself sitting with just fourteen dollars in his pocket. It was over thirty with a decision forced upon him. Would you accept the punches that life had dealt him or would he stop fighting back and that decision was made and he took steps that made him know too much and not want to work for anyone else again. He was going to become a solopreneur and own his own future. But how did he know he had the skills to be a success in the online arena and how did he know where his true passions lie? And does he regret inspiring guys want me to jump into the pool too. Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up thoughts the man on the microphone. The host of the Solohour podcast, the only Mr. Michael O’Neal. Well how are you Michael?   Michael O’Neal Oh here is what I can’t even what is happening. I am so flabbergasted by that intro. OK. Two things. Number one that was the best intro I’ve ever had. And formerly Chris Cerrone had that that title of the best in show to a show I’ve ever had. But it was one of the best I’ve ever heard for anybody which is why you are so the right person for this job. Well we’re all thankful you have a microphone in front of you David. Trust me on that. Second thing is I would pay to hear Zombie John Lennon if you could figure out a way to get all four Beatles on the show. That would be cool. David Ralph Well I can do Steve Jobs every day. So I might be able to do them as well. Michael O’Neal Ah so dude that was incredible. I am . I am flummoxed. David Ralph I’m so excited to be on David Ralph’s show. David Ralph – Yeah. Go go and do that because I know you have been doing an action of me on a few shows and we’ll show you a few times night. Yeah you got a little bumper for me on my show. I have these little things that when people ask you me I have a guest on the show that I have them do a little like Hi this is David Ralph and then I get interested in this opener with Mike O’Neill and your voice is so. What’s the first thing I ever said to you. I said you have the ultimate voice for radio. Didn’t I say that you did. Absolutely. David Ralph I haven’t got the face for television but I’ve got a voice for Radio Michael O’Neal Well as long as you’ve got the radio part worked out and you have taken this thing and you’ve run with it my friend. So I’m honored. I’m honored to be at the 100 episode Mark. Thank you. Thank you. David Ralph Absolutely. It is an honor to have you here because it is amazing when you start this thing,because you started your show what was it August 2013. Michael O’Neal Eleven month ago. David Ralph Yeah,11 months ago and now you are rocking and rolling with the best of them you surround yourself with, with the Internet movers and shakers the ziggers and zagers and you know you’re going to be humbled by this. So maybe you won’t. You are an online celebrity of note. When I was saying to people is my show a lot of people sort of touch on the shows of said to me I know who you’re going to have. And I said no you don’t. And I go Yes I know who you’re going to have and ego going and going to no one. And I when Martin O’Neill and I went oh term term how did I know. Really I know. Yes yeah I did it because I had pain you know I don’t want to suck up to you Michael but the early days I didn’t know what the hell I was doing. So I just kept on saying your name over and over again or some kind of benchmark of what I was trying to achieve because you like that you’d come out the gates really and say look like a rocket ship. It’s unbelievable. But you’ve only been around so long because it seems like you’ve been here ever in a day. Does it seems like that to you? Michael O’Neal It is weird. It does feel like it was yesterday that I launched the show. It feels really really recent to me that it happened. So but then at the same time I look at the memories that I’ve had over the last 11 months and all the cool benchmarks and you know different things that have happened and, but it’s packed full of stuff right. So I think if there’s any celebrity it’s sort of a z list celebrity and only at certain conferences. But yeah it’s been it’s been an incredible journey. I couldn’t be happier with how it’s gone. And I can’t wait to see what happens in the next 365. You know I’m really excited about that. David Ralph Is there a plan to the next 365 because you seem to me somebody who is very much stimulated by the now and then. Are you somebody who knows what you’re aiming to achieve? Michael O’Neal No I’m a notorious non planner. Much to the chagrin of my girlfriend who is a total planner and if I didn’t have the you know a calendar app on my phone I would be I would be completely floating out there now because I I wake up and I look at I go OK what do I have to do today. And then I see what’s going on for the day. And sometimes that doesn’t work out for me like in a social situation because people actually make plans to go out and do things. But and I’m not one of them. And all of a sudden it’s Friday I’m like I probably should have planned to do something. Yes I watch movies tonight. But yeah I I’m in an interesting spot right now because I have had this kind of five year run of as you mentioned in the intro bringing myself in this very circuitous path from $14 and not having a clear direction to now. When someone says What do you do. I say I’m a podcast host. And that’s a thing like I. That’s what I do. So I sort of a couple of weeks ago had an occasion to kind of put the cap on that five year journey and now I’m going to be looking ahead but I haven’t quite formulated what that ahead looks like yet. David Ralph And how did you do that? How did you put a cap on that. How did you say that is five years, finished boxed up? Michael O’Neal Well it was as i say I’m I’m a notorious non-celibrator. I’m a guy that usually gets to an achievement and then continues to go without acknowledging it. And I have what is probably a weird story that you’re asking for but hey here comes. So I’ve been a Porsche fan for my whole life. And you may already know where you’re heading with this but I was a Porsche fan my whole life and I don’t know why particularly. I was I had a Volkswagen in high school and I think that maybe planted to see a little bit and I was a car guy and so you know those Porsche ads from the 80s with like the big fender flares and the big wing. I think I was attracted to that and I eventually in 2003 I bought my first vintage Porsche so I bought a 1972 11 and it was a piece of crap. I bought it in New York. I didn’t know better. I drove across country midway across the USA and midway across the country the engine blew up. So that’s how badly. Where were you when this happened. I was in the dead heart middle of Nebraska when it happened in Nebraska I suppose. You it’s nothing. It is hundreds and millions of acres of wide open like cornfields and nothing else. I mean we are I was I have a picture of my car sitting looking like it’s a panther wading in the grass. Waiting to you know to prowl and it’s just sitting there with with like a hundred miles in each direction of grass. There was no middle of nowhere when it happened and I ended up finding a Volkswagen place 60 miles away that towed me in. And the guy dropped the oil pan in the car and just giant chunks of metal came out and I’m like I’m pretty sure that’s not how it’s supposed to be. So I ended up getting a tow truck driving it from Denver where I was living at the time and picking it up. Neither here nor there. So I eventually traded that piece of crap on and got a nicer one. Not when I bought it but in 2005 and I restored this car it took me four years and 2000 hours to restore this car back to better than factory condition when I still have it now. And as part of the dynamic this one in 1969 9/11 and the 69 through 73 nine elevens are very very sought after. They are the iconic 9/11. So when you would see Steve McQueen and a picture of him in the 60s you know you know in LA MA or something driving a 9/11 he was driving one of these sort of 69 to 73 virgins. And one of the sponsors of Porsche in the 60s was a company called Hoyer which was tag Hoyer before Tagg was involved in the mid-80s. So just Hoyer and it’s a guy named Jack Hoyer and he made these beautiful tiny pieces chronographs based on race timers. So you’d have a co-driver with you as a race car and there was a race in Mexico called the career of PanAmericana and the first Porsche Carrera was named after this particular race. So Hoyer as a sponsor of Porsche created a watch based on the chronographs that they used for the race cars and they called it the Hoyer Kura. So this was a very utilitarian type watch you could use it as a race time or you could just click one of the buttons and it had this chronograph on it. It was beautiful automatic beautiful timepiece. And as I’ve been going through this journey for five years this has been on my vision board because these are about three grand and above to get one of these watches. But that was so superfluous for me because I had no i like zero money. And for me to spend three grand on something as excessive as a watch wasn’t even on my radar. So about a month and a half ago now I was in this position where I was like this could be the time. And I scoured the world. I ended up buying a 1972 Hoyer Carrera from a guy in France and it came to my house and it was more beautiful in person than I. I’d never seen one in person is more beautiful than I even thought it could be. And I remember at the mid midday I’d gone to this little swimming pool by my house I belong to this little pool club which is where I work out and I was swimming in the middle of the day two o’clock in the afternoon like Tony Soprano in the middle of a work day and thinking I just did this like this just happened. This 5 year journey comes stops right now like this is where my new journey begins. I’ve gone through this trial by fire. I’ve come out hopefully like a phoenix. I’m in a position where I can buy this watch now which is insane to think about and I’m peaceful and grateful for the life that I’ve built. And so that for me was the cap of a five year struggle. I mean a real struggle to get to where I am today. David Ralph Mr. O’Neill is a perfect story. It started and it made me think if I’m ever in a pub quiz and a question about Portia comes up you’re my man that does it to Luli you are obsessed by that and you. The amount that you were quoting then. Michael O’Neal Ah. I mean I think. I think it’s kind of a lifetime obsession for people that become afflicted by it. In fact there’s a great ad I will send it to you on YouTube and there’s an ad for the new Porsche about the time the new Porsche Carrera ad and it was there it’s a little boy. And he’s a little kid in his classroom and he’s daydreaming and on 9/11 drives by him and you just see him like looking out the window and his pencil drops and you know then he he gets in trouble. And then he runs to the you know was on his BMX bike to the Porsche dealer after school and and he you know he ends up sitting in this car and the steering wheel is bigger than he is and you see Mike raised his head he’s 12 or something and that he goes to the dealer or the guy goes you have a card and the guy goes yeah here you go and he goes I’ll see in 20 years. And then there’s this great voice over that says something like there’s a there’s a there’s a particular moment that happens with you know a Porsche fan. There’s that time you want one. Then there’s the time you get one and for the truly affected afflicted there’s the 20 years in between. And it just like it gives you the chills and my buddies sent it. I sense my body goes man. Pass the Kleenex. So I guess there is a real passion there for this. It’s a very visceral feeling that is so different because of the way they build their cars and because the engines in the rear and it’s a totally different experience than you have with with any other vehicle that yeah there becomes a real passion a real obsession with him. Did you read that because this shows about joining up dots, but do you remember as a young kid having the same kind of obsessive compulsive in both words and things when when you was a little kid running around the streets of Philly pretending you Rocky did most will keep you alive without paying him for the Michael O’Neal No no no. I was a BMX kid. Now I was I was in a suburb. I was the only gentile I was in a super Jewish town north of Philadelphia. And I was a BMX or I rode my BMX bike. I mean I was from 1984 until I mean I was racing bikes from 84 until 2000. David Ralph So Rocky wasn’t on your radar at all? Michael O’Neal No not at all. Tony Hawk and Dave you know Dave Voelker and Matt Hoffman and you know BMX guys Bob horo. They were all on my radar. I’ll tell you here’s here’s a little here’s a join up dot that is current. I rode an entire daywith real wow I just blanked on his name. That’s embarrassing really. I’m killing myself right now this is bad radio. David Ralph What  does he look like? Michael O’Neal He’s a big famous director now and he will watch films John Malkovich. Being John Malkovich won a friggin Oscar. We’re ready. Come on. With it and it might seem seamless Spike Jones for crying out loud. David Ralph Spike Jones Michael O’Neal Yeah Spike Jones the director was a dude I rode with at a place called Rockville BMX and we were just BMX or dudes riding around. And then he he became a photographer for one of the BMX magazines and then started doing filming because he did Beastie Boys first video I forget which one and then started doing independent films then did Being John Malkovich and now he is like an international you know massive director like one of the best most well-reputed directors in the world. And it was kind of cool. I mean so he did adaptation he did Being John Malkovich Where the Wild Things Are You know just just done amazing stuff. So the Academy Awards. And so a pretty pretty bad ass. He did her you know the movie Her most recent Yeah that’s Spike Jones. David Ralph So is there any similarity between the young kid in Philly and now, because from what I see across the pond and I listen into the conversations that you have with your internet guys and it does seem from this side of the pond that you’ve got a gang of friends and followers and whatever that basically control the Internet. I had Rick Mulready on the show. And I said “Do you ever feel like slipping something into Pat Flynns drink, so that the next morning you turn on your screen and see if there’s a black hole on the Internet because he’s not functioning at this time because it kind of seems not” But he wouldn’t be pushed in to slipping a Mickey into his drink in any shape or form. But you seem a little bit edgy to most of them. Michael O’Neal Yeah. David Ralph Is that because you’re from Philly. Is it because he’s a very sort of industrial Con. Its a real city you know. Its like a working class city when you’re there. Michael O’Neal Yeah I think the the edginess is something that I’m kind of a known for. I don’t know if you curse on your show but I’m kind of a no B.S. kind of guy and I’ve never been one to straddle the fence very very much. And I think what happened with Irwin what happens with a lot of these sort of Internet type celebrities is that they’re so concerned about getting the broadest audience that they sometimes come off as being a little bit milktoast or a little bit vanilla. And I come from a totally different perspective where when you think about media you think about New York Philadelphia Boston. These are like the media centers of the world. It’s where you know you go to Boston College that’s one of the broadcasting school that’s where Howard Stern went. That’s where many very famous broadcasters come from those places I went to Temple University which has an incredible media department. And when you look at the people that are iconic in history they’re not people that are vanilla. There are people that have strong opinions one way or the other and people either love them or they hate them but they’re definitely them. So they definitely have a presence. They definitely have a voice that’s unique to them. And I think I always think it took me a little while to settle into that on my show but it is ultimately as you as I developed the show and I developed my own voice I realized hey I’m not in the interest of pleasing everybody. Like that’s not my job. My job is to talk from my perspective on certain issues and try to extract really good business advice from people without them or my audience really seeing what I’m doing. And one of my favorite quotes to that is and you probably heard me say before but which just never let him see your work. You know that’s from Bill Cosby also from my alma mater Temple University in Philly and that basically means that go through your process ask your questions you know have questions written down but you don’t have to be so blatant about it. You can you can ease through you know great standup comedians do this like Louis C.K. talks you know he’ll be sputtering and angry and going through all this process on stage and you think that that’s just how he is. You laugh at his angry energy but he knows all the beats within that he knows exactly what he’s doing within that realm and that is that is him not letting you see him work on him. David Ralph When your on the mike then how much is you now being absolutely authentic and how much is it creating a mood creating an atmosphere on the show. Michael O’Neal Well it can’t. Can’t you have both? David Ralph Oh I don’t know CAN you? Michael O’Neal What are you asking? Are you asking how much is sort of pre-written and how much is off the cuff? David Ralph Well on this show for example some of the things I say I only say to get a reaction from the guest. You know do I really mean it kind of. Do I think that they will go against it. Yes. So I will say it. How much do you actually say that you believe 100 percent. Michael O’Neal Well first of all you do that because you understand this and you’re a pro. I mean this is a very natural place for you to end up. So I think that that I do very similar things to you, as you do just because yeah sometimes you want to extract some stuff from a guest that is being difficult. But yeah I mean I’m pretty authentic dude. I there’s not a lot there’s people that have met me in real life and go Oh you’re exactly like you are on the show. Yeah Im exactly like I’m in the show. I turn it on and I talk so I don’t have this, I’m not affected in any way. I just go. David Ralph So you’re not like you haven’t got a human graphic equalizer when you press record you just kind of increase certain parts of your personality. Michael O’Neal Not really. No. This is pretty much how I am. Yeah I’ll speak like I speak. I’m probably slightly dirtier in real life. David Ralph Well you don’t know where the words will land do you! Michael O’Neal I probably curse a little more which is fine. I’ve done a few podcasts now where I was allowed to do that and it did make it really nice. David Ralph Are you in the same situation as me because I used to listen to your show all the time and it was a staple diet during my transition at that time and now I’m doing this. One of the failures of me is that I don’t get time to listen to other people’s shows. I listen to your one  the other day because I just suddenly realized I had a gap but you almost become an island of your own success where before I used to listen to shows and I used to think oh I’ll take a bit of it and I’ll take a bit of it and become like a magpie. And now I don’t know what vibe is out there and I don’t know whether I’m being edgy or whatever. It just seems to be you. Speaking to the mic and I throw it out to the world and hopefully it goes well. It seems to be a fault of mine, and so do you have the same thing? Michael O’Neal No I’m exactly the same way. I’d say partially by choice and partially by by time. So when I when I do have time to consume podcasts I don’t tend to go business. I tend to go comedy. And lately I tend to go NFL football. I listen to podcasts related to that because I want to be able to clock out a little bit when I do want real inspiration. I’ve been listening to here’s the thing with Alec Baldwin it’s WNYC. I’ve not heard a better intro or production or interview style than that show. It’s his in his intros are nothing short of brilliant. I mean they’re amazing how he brings a guest on an and then how he interviews and his questions are very in-depth and he’s such a pro that it makes it really easy for me to like look at that bar and go OK that’s where the soul open for hours going. That’s what I do. I actually honestly David I find now the more that I get into this show the more I almost can’t stand other people’s shows like there so few that can capture my attention and that I feel like are being done well even with really good friends of mine that do shows I just go and that is almost unlistenable. You know it’s so. So I just don’t I definitely look far above the kind of Internet Marketing slash business world for inspiration on how I want to run mine. David Ralph because the only two that I listen to now is yours. And I went on started. I wanted to listen to every single one. And but the nerdiest and there the only two reasons. Yeah great and Nerdist is good for a number of reasons. David Ralph Yeah I just like the way it kind of flows and you don’t even know it started and it just kind of teases right. Michael O’Neal That’s right. Yeah they just start it. We kind of did that today didn’t we. David Ralph Yeah absolutely and that was the good stuff. Michael O’Neal And we talked for a while before we started recording. You know me I mean it just felt like yeah hit it. Go for it. We’ll start like Nerdist. But yeah no I think that there’s a sense there’s such a glutton of new shows out there and I don’t. but if I’m being opinionated I don’t. There’s a lot of places where people are learning quote on quote how to podcast. And I think they’re feeding them crap information.So often a big problem. David Ralph And I know he’s a mate of yours and I wish him all the success in the world, but the problem is so many people are trying to duplicate John Lee Dumas and that’s not right. He came first and he created the structure of his show, and whether you like that format or whatever that is he’s and he’s made in his own by being him. And I hear these shows and after about three minutes I think oh my god it’s the same thing again. Now I will listen to your shows and I will go all the way through. But people miss a trick don’t lay up coming back to my all the time is finding your authentic self playing to your streams. And and if you do that you create a bigger loyalty. You know if you are totally yourself people either hate you or like you but the ones that like you will love you. And that’s where these people are missing out because they’re not even being authentic to themselves they’re just kind of a middle ground. Michael O’Neal Yeah. And John would tell you and I’ve said this a million times in front of him and said do you the success of your show or his show has nothing to do with his format. And it has nothing do with him as a podcast for that all. It has everything to do with the fact that he has a financial background writes great marketing copy and has a schedule and a rigidity too. He has a military rigidity because he was in the military to his to his business. And unless you come with that exact kind of background you will not have success in that way. People think that because of the way he does his show because it’s structured and because he has these set questions and does it seven days a week that that’s why he’s successful and is completely irrelevant to that. So the problem is is like you said so many people listen to that or they go to podcasters paradise and they learn a certain way to do things. And I’m almost diametrically opposed to every single thing that they’re learning. So it’s like it’s like man I it’s it’s frustrating for me in that way. And I shouldn’t say that like I want to rephrase that I’m not time actually oppose everything they’re learning what I’m what I’m worried about is that the things that I think make podcasting successful aren’t emphasized in a lot of training courses. And like you just said finding your own voice is a number one you have to be successful. You have to find your own voice and you have to have a great brand and it’s not something that people speak about a lot. Like I took a lot of cliff Ravenscroft stuff. I’ve taken all the stuff. I’ve seen a number of course is out there a lot of them don’t pay a lot of attention to that piece and I worry that with this next phase of podcasting and what’s you know since everyone’s starting a show they’re going to find it a lot harder to sustain it unless they’ve found their own voice on their voice. And and it’s within this brand that they’ve really created. So we’ll see. But that’s the jury’s out on that. David Ralph Did you really have to love doing this because I’m going to play a speech in my Jim Carrey and I’m actually I’m going to play now and we’re going to talk afterwards. This is Jim Carrey. Jim Carrey Sound Clip My father could have been a great comedian but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old. He was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father. Not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love. David Ralph Is that the true message that we should be getting across? Michael O’Neal Yes it is unfortunately the connecting of the dots joining of those two dots which is I found this thing that I love and now I have to figure out how to get paid for it is difficult. That’s a difficult journey. And that’s my that was my five year journey. Right. First not even knowing what it was that I loved. I had no idea I was going to podcast five years ago but I had an initial foray into public speaking. I started teaching social media on stage and I ended up traveling and going to 17 cities teaching people how to use social media to grow their business and I found it very like oh this is something I could be good at. And then that morphed into doing back end production on a podcast for a year and a half and just starting to understand the podcasting industry that finally morphed into me starting my own show and here we are. But it was a five year journey to find that you know like I had indicators of it and if someone in 2009 it said hey do you want to get. You want to make six figures and be a public speaker. I be like totally that be great. But at the time I had nothing to speak about. And now I do. So it’s kind of a I I do feel like you have to find something that will and you’ve probably seen this in your life with your show something that will make you walk into that studio and record an episode even if you’re exhausted or not in the mood or whatever because you truly love it and you’re excited about it. Oh yesterday. That’s how I am. Yeah I’ve had times when I’ve recorded 12 shows back to back and now I’ve. Why just because I knew I was going to do it seven days a week show and that was the hardest time I had. I had no internet for two weeks he just crashed on me and I suddenly panic but I didn’t have enough to cover. And I was going away as well. So yes seven days a week he goes out and I needed the boke. And so I did it and I started off at six o’clock in the morning and I just went through through move through and I edited and I did everything in the gap between when I recorded the next one and he just went seamlessly. And when I pressed record yes I was on I was on. Once I was off it was just like I was you know on drugs or something I was just slump too much. But it wasn’t until the very last ones that I realized actually about that passion that you’re talking about the ability to actually do it when you’re tired. I’ve gone past by and I was actually feeling ill. And I remember doing this show and the sweat was pouring off me and I listened back to and it doesn’t sound like it but I realized brain actually no you’ve got to look up to yourself as much as you do actually doing something. Yeah I’m very committed to that. DAVID It’s I have I have three sort of pillars if you will that I do I think make a good soul a partner or a successful soul a partner. And there’s there’s time freedom there’s financial freedom and there’s location freedom. And so the first one is really easy time freedom simple you walk into your boss’s office tell him to go screw himself and then you have time freedom. There you go. Location freedom. You can pretty much just get in a car and go somewhere that we have that kind of freedom in the U.K. and in the United States. Yeah there’s some complications in between. But technically you can just go do that. It’s the financial freedom part. That’s the tricky part of the three. That is a little harder. But I find that I’m so unwilling to compromise my time freedom. I’ve turned down so many more so much more money because it would compromise my time freedom like I could have a lot more coaching clients and a lot more people in my my group coaching. It’s called Solo lab. But with that I would have to commit another couple of days to taking care of them and I’d I’m willing to do that at all. Like i will i love my life the way it is right now and I can be comfortable financially I can go do fun things. And I don’t have to compromise that. And you know hopefully I can continue to grow and continue to you know make more money maybe have more speaking gigs things like that but I don’t intend on working any harder. I just want to you know work smarter maybe try to over deliver a little more to my audience and that’s what I’m looking for. Well was sensible and that’s exactly what I want to do as well because I hate these people and it’s almost like a badge of honor. But I’ve quit in nine to five job. And then you go yes I’m an online marketing do I do this I’m a diva and I cook my time and I’m doing 80 hours a week and I think right. Right. What the hell do you do that. Why don’t you just do two days hard work and have the rest of the time of it. It seems stupid that I say that. That’s right. And it’s. It does. It is counter intuitive. The thing is when my parents passed away you mentioned this in the intro when they did that. My perspective on time completely shifted and I just I. Life’s too short. So I am very much a person that says both. When someone says would you like this or this. I say both. When I get an opportunity to do something I say yes. Win you know and I just do it like it’s a thing that I have committed to and not mentally like I don’t just go yeah this is what I’m going to do from now on. I just do it now I just say yeah let’s do that. That sounds fun. Let’s just go for that. I’m going to go on a hike. Yeah. Great book a ticket. You know and we just do it. And I found that that has served me really well because when I do that and I put that as a priority in my life then the the stuff that I’m not so thrilled about I still end up having to do it. It still fills in the blanks but my priority is to really extract the most that I can out of my life and I’ll tell you not a person that does that well I think as John John Lee Dumas he works probably a little more like the person you were just mentioning. He works a lot but he’s also great at saying yes when when something comes across his desk he goes yeah lets do that. And it’s like on the schedule. And I think that’s that’s part of I think what that’s part of success. To me that’s part of what success feels like is being able to do that. I remember hearing an interview with Billy Joel and the interviewer said to him Billy you’ve sold X squillion albums and singles and you’ve done these tours and you play Madison Square Garden five straight nights. What has success given you. And he just said time and that was it. He can wake up each morning and if he doesn’t want to do something he doesn’t. And that single word resonated with me hugely especially when I was in my 9 to 5 job and I realized then that things were not right. And why should I be doing a nine to five job when there are options I suppose. I began to know too much. And then once you know too much brain you realize you can’t ever go back. Michael O’Neal Yeah. It’s really really is a one way street. It also but that carries over as well into my personal life as well. And I think when the there’s ever such a different confidence now just in my life in general and I think Billy Joel would sort sort of anybody that reached a level of success has this this this underlying confidence about them that is very attractive not only to you know the opposite sex but it’s what attracts other successful people to you. There’s just there’s a subtlety in actions and just how really how you go through life when you’re confident that is very attractive to you know both both people both sexes and that is something that people pick up on pretty easily. You become a success back humor don’t you. You know the old Jim rhône thing about you know the average of you know five people to surrender a lot of people I talked to. Yeah. I mean a crappy job and all these miserable people all the time. How can I surround myself. And one of the things I say to them is you know focus on success because the more success you get and the more competence as you say they end up a successful people get sucked into your world and suddenly you created what he was saying. It’s not easy to do. But it certainly is a mindset that starts moving in that direction. That’s right. And you it’s funny you just asked that question of me is how do you now you’re on it you’re on an island so you’re you’re in the UK you’re not. I’m in San Diego so I get to have a bunch of people around me at all times. I will say though we don’t get together. I mean you know we get together as friends but I’m not in a mastermind with any of these people around me. We don’t sit there and me out. So you know to answer your question I’m mean answer answered on my show tomorrow. But you’ve got to join a group you’ve got to join a group mastermind of some sort. And there’s really no other way. If you if you’re not surrounded by those five people that that you feel are motivating you in a way that that is bettering your life and hopefully their lives. You’ve got to separate from those people and find the people that are doing that and pretty much everyone I know that’s in this you know business Internet Marketing podcasting world has some sort of coaching program. And my best advice is to get people that you really enjoy like how they speak and like how they deliver and join their group and that’s it. And you know once you’re a part of that community you’ll be a lot more apt to be motivated you know learn the things you want to learn. It’s part of the reason why I don’t need to listen to podcasts anymore because I have so many people in my group that are doing cool things. I get to learn about all the cool new stuff without having to go listen. They sort of comes to me. So so do you now feel that you’re ahead of the curve. Because when when you started the show I remember you saying it’s the Wild West and now it seems like every man Dogan whatever has made me a podcast. So do you think now about you it’s not the Wild West but you actually ahead of the curve. It’s good. Get a question. Yes and no I think it’s still the wild west. I think that people in this environment aren’t necessarily looking in the right direction to advance their business where they should be. Let me clarify that. I think inspiration for how someone’s podcast get better gets better doesn’t happen within the new podcasting community. It happens with old media. Then you go look at how you all learn how to interview you go study Howard Stern if you want to learn how to produce an an excellent show. You go you know you look at and some an NPR show or something like that like a where a BBC show something that you know pay close attention to how people are introducing guests and what they’re how they do their ads and how they integrate you know clips from this person’s body of work into their intro or into the show itself. So I think there is really a professional side to this that will ultimately come out. For me personally what I’ve realized over the last couple of months and this is something that I think you can you can sort of strap on as a badge of honor as well is that I’m a better interviewer than most. Just in general I’m more intuitive and I have more range of knowledge so I can connect those dots. You know I can join those dots. And that’s what makes for a compelling and entertaining interview no matter who you are it’s the people that have the pre-scripted questions that I think are really going to struggle because that’s that’s very exhausting to an audience. So on one side I think I’m still really ahead of the curve in that. I come from this and as do you come from this background this history of paying attention to interviewers and then sort of bringing this natural ability to the microphone that 99 percent of people don’t have. And that’s the building not only to interview someone in a business sense and extract what they do for a living but actually make an entertaining hour of programming for someone. And in my opinion they can get the business data from 80000 podcasts that are on iTunes but it’s really hard to get entertainment out of it. And that’s what I’m trying to bring to the table and I think that’s what you do a really great job bringing to the table as well because because what I’ve realized you know was a complete nobody is basically the very first interview I did was no you weren’t Yes. Stop it. Tom Mocha’s was episode your line on the line. Me right now David. And he was a huge inspiration to me so I wanted him as guest number one. And he was talking to a gentleman called John Lee Dumas and so awful who’s is CHEP never heard of him. And I went over to his show and the very first show I listened to was episode 3 2 2 which was yourself and kidding. That was I didn’t know that. Yeah that was the very first episode. And the fascinating thing about it was which got me on the show and this is my sort of join up thought was the fact that everything you see in life is normally about benchmarking against success. You see people already Veja and you go I’d like to do that but it worked for him he’s had this skill he’s got that you know he’s a natural that’s for sure. On that show on 0 5 3 2 2 you hadn’t even lunged and he was saying to you you know when are you going to go and you and I’m going to go on Wednesday or whatever it was. And I tuned in and I listened or whatever you do you click on it you don’t tune into you. But I heard you speak for the very first time and I found it fascinating because I was seeing but not some bouts of somebody finding their way. And you was saying Yeah and I had 17 downloads and it wasn’t that you were looking at success you were looking at somebody finding their flow finding them. Moving on. And that’s right. But that’s what really flavored my show was the fact that you were doing something that seemed natural and you were holding your hands up and you going really. I don’t know if this is going to work but hey if it doesn’t change we’ll move on later on. And remember you did this show and it was it was some chap I don’t remember who was with them on the on the beach somewhere and calls were whizzing past and your battery ran out half way through. Yes and yes you still put out and I thought that’s interesting because what he’s saying back is not that this show has got to be polished and perfect what he’s saying is is a journey and I’m going to improve from that and that be the last time that my battery runs out halfway through. That’s right and it was definitely the last time that happened. Yeah. Yeah it’s a good way to good insight. I see. If I were doing it again yeah I would probably do the same thing again. I was I’ve been always sort of a fan of the let’s just put it out at that at that time. I was leaning more on my hopeful interview skills than I was like ultimate show quality and since I’d already put out a couple of episodes it wasn’t that bad but I really loved the guys story. So I was like yeah there was Harry. Harry Smith was the guy’s name and. And. And I thought yeah let me let me throw that on. And why not. What happened. You know and somewhere. This is what’s so cool about this right. You heard one single episode I did from Johnny Dumas which was like a random occurrence. And look how much it’s affected both of us. Yeah. Just that one thing. So if one little episode you put out catches the right person it can literally be life changing. I will say something. I want your listeners to go to solo our solo our dotcom and I want you to go back to like three. I don’t know let’s say pre 70s so anything from episode like I don’t know one until episode 70 and I want you to click on those posts and read how great David’s comments are for the episodes. They are so insightful and brilliant. And you do such a great job summarizing. I think I even wrote you once and said Do you want to write my show summaries. Remember that you did and it was just that the crux of me doing this and I knew I was just going to stall so cool. So I am and you still you just did it the other day when you were that episode you listened to. You do such a great job summarizing. You’re going to be such a smash successful podcast. David Yeah I have no doubt whatsoever you are going to I hope you will let us be on your show someday when you do these live broadcasts in front of you know a hundred thousand people at the Wembley Stadium. Did you know when you start this and I’m really going to open up here so I don’t really have a Chevez. But when you start based you want it to be so good and you want it to be brought in and you kind of. There were job. You look back on them and you go OK yeah that wasn’t quite where I wanted to be but it was all right. And then you hit sort milestones and you listened back to some of these shows I don’t know if you listen to yours and I thought oh that was a bit closer to what I had in my head my original vision. And I got to show it E.T. and that’s when I suddenly realize Michael that was the host of a show and it was my responsibility to be the host to even I think he was too grateful for people giving up their time to be on my show. I it was a complete mind set. Now I want this to be the biggest show out there. I absolutely do. And it’s all I can focus in on and it’s in many ways it’s killing me or my life is totally out of whack. But all I want is about is the number one thing upset that on any show because it sounds a bit arrogant really I’m upset. Once we’ve stopped recording them when somebody asked me about it that is where I want to be and I want to be join up not as a brand. Exactly as you say. Right. Because it’s one of those things that you kind of go join up towards. What does it mean. And I’m very aware of if you provide quality and content as quality brand in many ways take care of itself. It’s like we always talk in the early episode the name that was always mentioned was Pat Flynn. And you know he’s got that classic smart passive income and you forget that’s a premium brand but actually he’s only three words put together and he’s because he’s provided that great content and quality and value. But it becomes the kind of the trust word where what he’s trying to achieve. That’s right in he that he can live that now. But I actually want I want to focus on something you said just before that you will be bigger than him and so will I. And I know I don’t mean that like he doesn’t have the same aspirations as you do. Right. And I’m saying in terms of podcasts in terms of like Pat wants to speak I’m not speaking for him here but just knowing what I know about him. He he is sort of the crash test dummy of internet marketers. So he does all these really cool things on the web. I want my show to become about like I want to. I want to be interviewing complete legitimate A-listers you know and finding out about their kind of business and so normal journey. That’s where I will see the show going. And because of that if when and if I get to that point. The show the podcast itself will be bigger than all of the internet marketing type podcasts. Does that make sense. Yeah it’ll be way bigger than that. It’ll be more like Nerdist. You know Chris Hardwick gets killer guests on his show and that’s why his podcast is you know number one number two number three on iTunes overall. And so it’s it’s one of those things that that I it’s what I aspire to do as well is to get working within this world like real A-list category of people because I think that they’ll appreciate talking about their journey. And so that’s where I want to head with that. Also I was very strategic and I changed direction. I realized that when I started I was just throwing out the net to anyone and anyone would jump on the show. I would have them round about sort of thing once again I thought to myself no I can’t do this because when I was looking at other people’s shows I was thinking Oh I’ve been on my show I’ve been on my show and it was just the sort of hybrid of people doing the rounds. So I went off in a different direction. So if you listen to episode 88 I had Cathy O’Dowd who was the first woman to hit the summit of Everest from both sides. I’ve got the first civilian astronaut coming on the show. I’ve got a chap over a few years ago was worldwide news because he sold his life on e-bay and he’s just sold his life to Disney and all that kind of stuff. So I realized I had to change direction to become more unique to be more interested by the stories more. Yes. Extract out of them what I wanted to show to the world and that was my original vision but I couldn’t say Eva until later on in the journey. Yeah and that’s really what you’ve done. That’s the whole point. That’s why you will be successful because you’ve you’ve done this in a sort of a different way in your life when you look back to sort of the Philadelphia kid and you riding around on your BMX and all that kind of stuff. Well you just sort of wanting to be the classic sports kid was. If you look back and now we all going to send you back in time soon on the Sermon on the mike. No I was a show off though. I think I think I was you know a performer of some sort and the PA is I keep is that makes my colonial who he is to play better racquetball with an audience. Yes. Every single time. Yeah I think so. I think there’s that’s there that’s in there. It’s in the DNA for sure. I don’t use that a lot but it’s in the DNA. I work better in a performance environment which is presumably why I kind of screw myself on the show intentionally. I don’t I I prepare in a way where I I’ve researched my guest as you have. You know you know and you certainly listen to the show but at times you know a little bit about me and you’re able to then naturally structure questions that that dovetail into my history and that’s what a good interviewer does. I don’t write a lot of questions out sometimes intentionally and that’s because I there’s something about the performance side. I realize now that I’m I’m doing this the shows this this month I’ve got over 300000 downloads for the first time and this is a and I realize so there’s people listening and I have to perform. You know what I like it. It makes me it UPS my game. I’m live on the show. And I think I do that to myself on purpose because because I work better in that environment a lot maybe underpressure a little. Well we’re very similar. It’s fascinating. I feel like I’m finding out the real Marcantonio here. Where is the person behind the that the presenter. Because I am somebody who has spent my life doing training courses and presentations and that’s my job. I’ve never done this kind of thing. It was totally BA and I’m somebody very much likes to be on their own likes no one near them. And then when I suddenly go ping. That’s it. It’s performance time. And I don’t know if it’s showing off or trying to create a different persona for myself because that’s kind of not naturally me. But I do have the ability to raise my game and present a different side to myself if you know me deep down you would say to me different people that the people who know me from seeing where I allow them to see me they would say yeah you it’s like I’m on the mike as you are when you normally doing those things because I’m letting them see what they want to see. Yeah. Yeah I mean I think there’s there’s an element of that and again I want people to understand this is why we and we talked earlier about sort of what John brought to the table. And I’m you know people look at my show and say it’s it’s been it’s it’s been pretty successful in the first 11 months just overall debt is not that’s not a fluke because I didn’t just start in August of 2013 with kind of media. You know I’ve been a professional drummer my whole life. I’ve performed I’ve been on I’ve been a racer I’ve been you know a competitive racquetball player for for many many tournaments for many many years now and before that it was tennis. So I’ve always been performing in some way or the other. I I coached for five years on teaching people social media in front of huge audiences. I’ve played Red Rocks in front of 10000 people like me being on a microphone and being natural at it is not something that happened overnight. It’s a it’s this is something that you walked in with. You’ve been training for years before you turned a mike on yourself. So it’s kind of like Yeah right yeah. You were new to podcasting but not nuda trying to translate a concept from one person to an audience like that’s something you’ve been doing for a long time. So so that’s I think that it’s a bit of a misnomer within our industry that yeah anybody can you know podcast or anybody can start blah blah blah. That’s kind of cool I get it. Yes technically you can turn on an app you can go to boss jock on your iPhone and upload it to clips and you’ve got a podcast but can you do it. Well can you do it so that when someone switches from morning radio or Howard Stern or the BBC to your podcast that they don’t notice a huge drop off in quality or you know sound quality interview quality production quality that’s that’s what I try to bring the table and I think you do the same thing. So is that what you’re saying really and I’m going to play the words of Steve Jobs because he says it very well as well but no experience is wasted. It doesn’t matter what you’ve done in your life you will pull elements and you extract what you need to create your new path. Out 100 percent. Absolutely yes. Everything you’ve done up until this point is does training for you for this next phase. When I have people on their show and we have these episodes called Find your swing I want to find out everything that person has done because it find your swing is like well what do I do. Like what am I naturally gifted at how can I make money off of something that I really enjoy that I’m passionate about that’s what finding your swing is. And it’s I want to find out like what you did when you were a kid. Were you an athlete did you or you or you a professional knitter you like to knit hats. You know like what is it what do you do. And when people can start accessing those things that they’ve done their whole lives they’re really gifted and I like to find ways that we can use those talents in whatever their next business endeavor is. We call about connecting our past to build our future and here. And one of the names as come out is if you really want to know your passion really want to know what you’re naturally good at. Don’t think about what you were doing in adult life because very much you would have been taking a responsibility for a wage or whatever. Look at what you was doing as a kid when you weren’t being paid for it. And if you was a drama when you was a kid and you loved doing it then try and look at something that would do that. And he says that exactly the same way as you do it and you’ll find your swing episodes. That’s right. And I and I love those. Again that’s another instance where we totally put ourselves on the spot. I have a co-host. Her name is Dawn Mars. For those episodes and we never read the questions first. Like I only you know sometimes I glance at them to see just a copy and paste them into my Evernote when we’re doing the show. But we were reading them and answering them live and which again has another element of pressure that we’ve got to come up with an answer and these people are literally like I’ve had people that have taken what we’ve said on the show. They’ve made a business from it like the next day they’ve gone and done it. So it’s it can be a little daunting. And I was going to ask you earlier you know your show’s growing now and this this will be big your show will have a huge audience at some point and I’ve asked this with other people that are in the space. Have you yet felt this sense of responsibility that comes with that the fact that you’re speaking into a microphone and someone’s actually listening to what you’re saying. Yeah. With power comes great responsibility. And it’s funny the very first show I released I got two e-mails and they were from people I’d never met and they were saying thank you so much for putting the show out there and I thought oh my God. And from that moment of being very aware of what I’m saying or being very aware of I don’t know where my words are landing. And of also having a conversation with my wife this afternoon saying if this really takes on. Just as I want it to really take on I’m a little bit scared but I haven’t got the value to provide the audience but I won’t and I don’t know why that is because you know success is everything you want. But I suddenly felt a pressure because I can see the downloads increasing increasing increasing. I can see the work coming towards me and I’m doing this seven days old on my own. There’s not one person that helps me and I’m also balancing other responsibilities as well. So this isn’t my only so restrained I suddenly freaked this afternoon for the exact reason that you said oh my god this is power this is responsibility. I’ve got to be careful with it. Yeah. Have you also found it. I agree. I felt that in some I haven’t had yet. Hey buddy come back to me I’m like you ruin my life but I’ll show it. That’s going to have to happen right. Someone will listen to something you’ve said or I’ve said and they’re going to do it and it’s not going to work for them and we won’t have the details but they’re going to say I listened to you when you were in my life. That’s going to happen. There’s no way it that doesn’t happen. When you’re when you grow this thing to where it can go there’s no way that doesn’t happen. Well think shows a slightly different note because you teach nuts and bolts. I think with my show I talk about hope and I told you why leap of both. Yeah I really think I teach nuts and bolts because that’s that’s I feel like there’s a lot of shows that do that specifically. And I I feel like I teach more of the journey and then the nuts and bolts sort of fall from there. Well I think that’s the same thing. I think what you do you you talk about the journey you get the cogs working in your own brain and brain when you throw out the nuts and bolts which you probably don’t think have got value as such. You’re already using those cokes and you’re thinking yeah I can use that yeah I can tell you that that’s exactly what happened with me. You know I couldn’t see how to do this because I’ve never done this. But just by you having conversations with people you take the element and you take the element and you take that element and what do you do. He’s been up to you as an individual to put it together. Yeah I actually find myself pretty. I can be very socially awkward at the beginning and I sometimes I’ve actually accessed my I’ve switched into interview mode when I’m meeting someone in real life. I just watch on Mike I like my mentally switch on a podcast microphone in front of me and I found it so much easier to have conversations with people that way. So that’s kind of interesting to me is bizarre. I’m getting ready to play Steve Jobs now because I’m fascinated to see your spin on this. And this is the fulcrum of the whole show so this is a job. Don’t be free to do that of course it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward. When I was in college but it was very very clear looking backwards. Ten years later again you can’t connect the dots looking forward. You can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something your gut destiny life karma whatever because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart even when it leads you off the well-worn path. And that will make all the difference. When I’m going to ask a different question because I think you’ve answered it already but you will say yes you believe in it. But why do you think so many people don’t believe in that. I think that’s a lot. Most people get hung up on the how of something for example I think that we we pick a point be right we pick a point B that’s there’s the dot so I’ve got this I want to I want to do I want to have this show. And to get this show together I need this this this this this this this and we get stuck in the details of the this this this this this instead of. All right I’m going to sort of flow through this. All I want to do is get to that thing. I’m not sure how I’m going to get there yet but I’m going to I don’t really know. And by the time you get there and you look back and go wow that is not the path that all that I was going to take. My favorite metaphor. Or maybe it’s an analogy I forget but for this is if you and I were sitting at a cafe and I there was you know a three story building across the street and I said David there’s a hundred thousand pounds sitting in a bag on the roof of that building across the street. You have 15 minutes to get it. How fast would you be out the door to go get that money. I’d be on the right run the window right but you wouldn’t know how you were going to get it. You had no idea how to get to the roof of that building. You just knew you were getting to the roof. You don’t know if you’re going to you know helicopter down you know if you’re going to call the fire department to take you up there or you know scale like Spiderman but you’re getting to the roof of that building somehow. And I think what successful entrepreneurs do is they just keep their eye on that that you know that bag the bag that’s on the roof. They’re not quite as concerned about the how part. And we very much get concerned about the how part. And the second piece of that is when someone gives you an opportunity I just said this a little earlier when someone gives you an opportunity. Our instinctive reaction is to say no because of this this and this versus just instinctive to say yes and I’m going to figure out how to work out this this and this and that is a huge mental shift even though it’s very subtle. It’s just yes and no. But if you’ll find that people in your world that are really successful or really look like they’re just having a great time. They’re the ones that say yes first and then figure out how it’s going to work after and most of the people that are stuck and they don’t get from that one dot to the next dot. Those are the ones that say no because you know I I can’t live in San Diego because I have kids in school or because I can’t afford the move or because whatever we can come up with 15 different ways. But in reality all that stuff can be worked out. So I think that’s how I would respond to that and I hope that helps someone. So what scares you this is probably my final question before I send you on the mike and you can have a one on one with your younger self. As you all know and you’ve got these rocking and rolling show everything’s going well you’ve just bought these the watch you’ve finished off the last five years and everything’s good and you’ve got a lovely new girlfriend. What scares you. Well when you look at what you need to achieve. What scares me. I have to say I look at the bank being intimidated or being excited. I sort of treat the same way. So I don’t get super excited about everything and I don’t get scared about everything. I gosh I mean I don’t I I can honestly say I don’t have that for the same reason when someone said you know when I was so literally I was scraping up change so I could take in an airport shuttle for a ticket that was paid for by somebody else to go speak in front of 3000 people and that in which I was going to make $5000 or whatever that weekend. A few years ago I I literally had to scrape $8 up so I could take the shuttle like in change so I could take the shuttle to get to the airport that I had. I had $18 in my bank account at the time. And so it wasn’t enough to get the cash out of the machine. So I wasn’t worried about it. I’ve never been worried about stuff like that and I didn’t even know what success was going to look like for me. But I had a feeling that I was destined for it. And that’s the only way I can say is that it was it was very innate and I didn’t know where it was going to come from but I was very patient about it. Now I was also very patient about about you know I knew I was going to meet a great woman at some point and I was able to reach you know like you said read about a year ago but but recently. So I think that I have that that vibe that that it’s the same reason I don’t plan a lot. I just don’t. I’m living very much in the moment as I go day by day. And for better or for worse I don’t plan as much as I probably could or should. But right now I’m not really you know scared about anything. I mean I could say you know the show doesn’t grow at all. But even if it doesn’t I’m live in a great life right now. So I guess I’m not even that scared of that. OK last question before we send you back this time. Is it easier to move forward when you’ve hit rock bottom and you really did hit rock bottom. Yes it is. It’s easier for me to keep perspective on it. I just last weekend went to I went to Napa Valley with my girlfriend’s family and it was a very first class trip like from private private jet from San Diego to Napa Valley which I’ve never done before my life and everything was super exclusive super like Michelin star first class and I was like man I don’t want to be here like this. No I don’t mean like I didn’t want to be at the weekend. I just I don’t want to live in that universe of that sort of high end world. And that’s it. I I remember looking longingly at a train that goes through Napa Valley and it stops at all these different wineries and I’m kind of like Man I wish I would’ve just taken the train and gotten kind of drunk at the third winery and kept going and that would’ve been a really fun day. Instead it was like this you know 12 people serving our table kind of thing and it just wasn’t me. But my my Philly boy sort of like Kragen pragmatist personality carried me through that whole weekend thinking yeah I would be fine with stopping at a fast food place now and going to another winery. We don’t have to go to a hundred dollar plate dinner you know. And so I think if anything it’s given me perspective and there’s one more piece of perspective that in my very very lowest time and it was very low. And I thank you for not like making me go through that again like 40000 other shows have but I had a I remember the current hurricane Katrina had hit the southern United States and it just decimated New Orleans. And this was literally at my lowest time. And I remember looking on the news and seeing like a little 9 year old little black kid who everybody in his family died. Right. And he lost everything like lost every piece of memory he ever had including all of his family members. And he’s this kid who doesn’t have much of an education. He’s a minority. He doesn’t have a lot of opportunity that are coming coming to him and I remember thinking all right no matter what happens I’m a white male with a skill set in United States and that’s not and that’s not to be racially insensitive I’m looking. That was a practical. OK. So no matter what my situation is I can’t complain like I’m starting with these four advantages that a lot of people all over the world don’t have. I will be given opportunities that a lot of people don’t have and that really kept me grounded like that there was this you know that some people had to struggle to get to what I had innately by birth that I had nothing to do with. So that really kept me grounded and it still keeps me grounded to this day is that I always realize that there’s people out there that do not have the same opportunities that I knew the answer. Mike are we going to put you on the Sermon on the mike now. This is when we send you back in time lost a young Marty McFly to have a one on one with yourself and if you could go back in time. What age would you choose and what advice would you say. So I’m going to play the music and when he gets out you’re up. This is the Sermon on the mike. Here. We go with the speed of this. This man. Who. I think that first of all very handsome very very talented man couldn’t congratulate now. If you could work on harnessing that Philly attitude a little bit just over the next few years if you could take the edge off of that. Not everybody is out to get you and focus on building some relationships that you will sustain forever without having that kind of you know screw you Gene. Not Eugene. I don’t know anybody named Eugene. I’m not trying to signal that that will serve you in the future. Yeah. So to some or to to to bring that and I know that was very short but to bring that in I feel like over the last few years I’ve been able to take this. There was a bit of filea attitude like where if someone slighted me in any way that was it they were erased like done. And there was no real going back. It was partially like it was a Scorpio in me that that that’s sort of like had that stinger. And I you know it’s it’s the it’s the patience I have now which is maybe a little bit of it’s I wouldn’t say less judgment because I think judgment makes for good comedy. But but it’s just maybe being a little more empathetic to people’s situations and realizing that that people aren’t always in control of their actions and sometimes they’re going through a learning process as well. And to just instantly give them the guillotine and out of one’s life is not the most productive way to go through things. I don’t do that anymore but I did it for a number of years and I think it was just a reaction to losing my parents and it being so so much. OK Wolf I’m going to lose this anyway I might as well just cut it right off. And I think that didn’t that didn’t serve me for a long time. So I’d fix that. Michael how can our listeners connect with you sir. Well you know this. Oh I know you say you say in an American Xon is better I would say the same thing if you were speaking in a British accent. By the way you going to come on my show some time. I would love to come on your show it oh no great. And Howard Jones I want him to go. Has he been on your show yet. No he isn’t knocking me back. He said he would and not me but I’ve called a few of them that sign up for it. And then you just come down and that’s a drag. Anyway the show is called the Solar Perner hour. The Web site because no one can spell pre-New or is solo our dotcom. And if you’d like some coaching give a coaching program yet. I’ve only been focused on building you audience. That’s good. Well so if anybody needs coaching including you my friend I can’t believe you’re not in solo lab. I want solo lab dotcom and we’d love to have you in our really cool community. Mancow thank you so much for spending time with us tonight joining up those dots on the 100th episode and it’s quite the world’s longest episode of ever done as well. Please come listen. Is. Yeah we were about seven minutes past what we normally do. So come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting up pasts is the best way to build a future. Mr. Michael O’Neill thank you so much. And thank you.

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  • 10. Examensdags! Men Uggla gör tyvärr sin sämsta intervju

    · Magnus Uggla - den ängslige reportern

    I det sista avsnittet av Magnus Uggla den ängslige reportern har blivit tid för examen. Magnus Uggla träffar därför moderaternas partiledare Anna Kinberg-Batra på partiets högkvarter i Stockholm. Hans uppdrag är att ställa politiska frågor, lyssna på vad Anna Kinberg-Batra svarar, bjuda på sig själv och därigenom få Anna att bli så personlig som det bara går. Dessutom måste han hålla i intervjumicken alldeles själv Varför blev det då just Anna Kinberg-Batra som blev examensprovet?Jo, därför att det mest prestigefulla som går att göra när det kommer till personintervjuer här på Sveriges Radio, är programmet som heter Ekots lördagsintervju och som sänds i P1.Säsongens sista Lördagsintervju var med just moderaternas partiledare, Anna Kinberg Batra.Och tanken är därför att Magnus slutuppgift i den här serien är att göra sin alldeles egna variant av lördagsintervjunhelt enkelt Magnus Ugglas lördagsintervju med Kinberg Batra. Tyvärr gör Magnus sin sämsta intervju just den här omgången, och frågan är: kommer han att bli godkänd ändå, och kommer han att få komma tillbaks till P4? Journalistcoachen Anna Ivemark är dessutom på semester på sitt landställe och inte med på intervjun. Tack och lov hjälper redaktör Alice Lööf till.

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  • AMK Morgon 20 juni

    · 01:56:52 · AMK Morgon

    Gäster: Adeel Faqih, Ahmed Berhan, Albin Olsson, Yemi Afolabi   ---   Snart släpps biljetterna till AMK Late Night, höstens stora stand up-turné! Patrons har förtur och rabatt. Mer info på http://amklatenight.se/ https://www.facebook.com/AMK-Morgon-182299282128249/?fref=ts   I samarbete med Carlsberg erbjuder vi två fyradagarspass med camping till Bråvallafestivalen för $5+ patrons! Gå in på www.patreon.com/amkmorgon och berätta varför just du ska få gå på Bråvalla med en kompis så har du chansen att vinna.    Vi pratar om:   …Adeels nya persona ”The Annoying Man”   …att Ahmed Berhan blivit utsatt för möblemangsrasism   …lönedifferensen i hushållet Kindberg Batra/Batra http://omni.se/lofven-hogst-lon-kinberg-batra-inte-langt-ifran/a/756973d5-6771-4bac-9e82-bc0711f207f0   …att komma hem till en bordell http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article23516287.ab http://www.dn.se/arkiv/stockholm/ronnapolisens-granne-drev-bordell/ http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/XVq1o/lo-profil-hyrde-ut-utan-tillstand--lagenheten-blev-bordell   …sexarbetarnas fuckförbund http://www.rosealliance.se/sv/om-oss/   …Timbuktu, Mikael Wiehe och skatteplanering https://www.sydsvenskan.se/2015-08-02/timbuktus-skatteplanering-visar-pa-behovet-av-ett-mer-enhetligt-skattesystem     …pseudonymlåtar http://www.expressen.se/noje/elin-klinga-ar-mauro-scoccos-sarah/   …de bästa Sci-Fi produkterna http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100403/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1136608/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114746/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfm0ky3aFzg   …Adam Sandlers bergochdalbanekarriär https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaIub0t1esU http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120888/     …awardstreaks och tennisautism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Rafael_Nadal   …UFCs lukrativitet http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/a/0RxAA/mcgregor-bekraftar-moter-mayweather   ---   Låtarna som spelades var: Mando Diao - Money   Mauro Scocco - Sarah   Svenne Rubins - Det var samma dag som brandstation brann ner   Toto - Africa   Alla låtar finns i AMK Morgons spellista här: https://open.spotify.com/user/ratzattack/playlist/6ALIQSLm570Iw0M4A9bElJ   ---   Varje släpper vi AMK Fredag; podden som produceras exklusivt för patrons som donerar $5 och uppåt. I den kommer Martin att bearbeta veckan som gått, ta upp frågor från patrons, prata känslor, kanske gråta ut. Vi får se. Vi kanske har gäster. Vi kanske kör själva. Det mesta kommer dock att kretsa kring AMK Morgon, dess gäster, och allt runtom. Podden kommer ni kunna lyssna på inne på Patreonhemsidan, eller ta ut som en RSS. www.patreon.com/amkmorgon   Ni kan ställa frågor till Martin om allt på https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeeJdr0qOR5uHC8p3jHYLCkej1jU5fLR7giZeH2qWuNiSd2sg/viewform?c=0&w=1 så kanske det blir besvarat.   Andra grejer som kommer till er $5+ patrons: Exklusiv merch och exklusiva tävlingar! Det finns med andra ord bättre incitament än någonsin att bli patron, och speciellt på $5-nivån eller högre.   Tack för att ni stöttar!

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  • 43. David Batra

    · 00:57:26 · Tankar med...

    I veckans avsnitt kämpar Daniel med att få David Batra att prata om sin fru, moderatledaren Anna Kinberg Batra. David berättar om vem av dem det är som storhandlar, bakar och går på föräldramötena. Han får även berätta om hur han ser på Moderaternas öppenhet kring att föra dialog med SD samt välja vem han helst skulle vilja äta middag med - SD:s riksdagsledamot i Tomelilla eller hela casten ur "Ung och bortskämd". 

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  • Invägning, högstadieångest och mobbaren David Batra

    · Uggla i P4

    Förra veckan fick Emma Wiklund programledaren Magnus Uggla att lova att väga in sig eftersom hon tyckte han, efter sin magåkomma, gått ner för mycket i vikt. Nån som inte kommer stå på vågen, men väl tala om humor och vad man får skämta om och inte, är en välkänd komiker aktuell med en turné - David Batra. Hör när han försöker sälja den skamlöst i reklamfria public service och om Uggla låter honom göra det. Dessutom berättar David om han tror att hans hustrus, moderaternas partiledare Anna Kinberg-Batra, karriärval har påverkat hans karriär. Du hör också gymnasieeleverna Olivia Fumilajo-Bergman, Lukas Acosta-Billow och Lina Håkansson berätta om sin tid i högstadiet, om föräldrar, fylla och att vara utanför eller innanför. Magnus rasar också över städgatorna i Stockholm och ger sig på den pressansvarige för Trafikkontoret i Stockholms stad, Anders Porelius. Detta gör att bistittaren Sara Kinberg, från populärkulturprogrammet PP3, får panik. PROGRAMLEDARE: Magnus Uggla BISITTARE: Sara Kinberg PRODUCENT: Maja Åström REDAKTÖR: Anna Ivemark SOCIALA MEDIER: Ronnie Ritterland TEKNIKER: Håkan Sjöqvist Hör av dig till Uggla i P4! Hashtaggen är som vanligt #UgglaipP4 Men vill du skriva direkt till oss under programmet gör du det här i livechatten. Efter sändningen går det också bara att höra av sig på mejlen: uggla@sverigesradio.se OBS! Glöm inte att skriva in ditt telefonnummer om du vill prata med oss, för vi kanske ringer upp dig!

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  • David Batra

    · 00:47:51 · FYLLEPODDEN

    Komikern David Batra är gäst i veckans avsnitt av IQs #Fyllepodden. Hör honom berätta om sin egen relation till alkohol, hur han träffade sin fru Anna Kinberg-Batra, vad han tycker om ”regeringen-skämt” och alkoholkonsumtionen inom stand-up världen.

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  • Benjamin Dousa, Muf - blir det bättre nu?

    · 00:57:00 · Ekots lördagsintervju

    I förra veckan tvingades moderatledaren Anna Kinberg Batra avgå efter att en rad länsförbund sagt sig sakna förtroende för henne. En ny partiledare ska väljas den 1 oktober. En av dom som kritiserat Kinberg Batra hårdast är moderata ungdomsförbundets ordförande Benjamin Dousa. Enligt honom har Anna Kinberg Batra gjort ogenomtänkta strategiska val och varit för utspelsdriven. Men räcker det med att byta partiledare? Eller behövs det mer för att rädda partiets opinionssiffror? Benjamin Dousa intervjuas i Ekots Lördagsintervju.

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  • 113. Anna Kinberg Batra, Original

    · 01:44:41 · Framgångspodden

    Ett personligt samtal med Anna Kinberg Batra i veckans podd. Hon försökte skaffa barn under 4 år och när hon precis lyckades blev hon allvarligt sjuk och trodde hon skulle dö. Hur är det att konstant ha SÄPO vakter runt sig? Hennes politiska karriär där AKB som 13 åring började sin politiska karriär och blev moderaternas första kvinnliga partiledare någonsin. I podden ger hon sina bästa tips hur man håller tal och vara en bra ledare samt hennes bästa tips för att vara lycklig. Hur ser Anna Kinberg Batra på att samarbeta med SD och mycket mera. Spännande avsnitt med en av Sveriges främsta ledare

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  • 113. Anna Kinberg Batra, Short

    · 00:50:36 · Framgångspodden

    Ett personligt samtal med Anna Kinberg Batra i veckans podd. Hon försökte skaffa barn under 4 år och när hon precis lyckades blev hon allvarligt sjuk och trodde hon skulle dö. Hur är det att konstant ha SÄPO vakter runt sig? Hennes politiska karriär där AKB som 13 åring började sin politiska karriär och blev moderaternas första kvinnliga partiledare någonsin. I podden ger hon sina bästa tips hur man håller tal och vara en bra ledare samt hennes bästa tips för att vara lycklig. Hur ser Anna Kinberg Batra på att samarbeta med SD och mycket mera. Spännande avsnit med en av Sveriges främsta ledare

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  • EI-078: Smart wearable for Women to be safe. Paras Batra of Leaf Wearables

    · Entrepreneurs India | Founder stories | Weekly int

    Paras Batra is the co-founder at Leaf Wearables which makes wearable technology products. Their first product is called Safer. SAFER is a smart jewellery that keeps women safe and connected. Alumnus of IIT D Paras was dance instructor before. He has won number of awards which I lost count. Contact Paras: Paras.Batra(at)leafwearables.com

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  • Anna Kinberg Batra har en plan

    · 00:57:00 · Ekots lördagsintervju

    Moderaternas nya slogan är "En plan för ett starkare Sverige". Den vill Anna Kinberg Batra genomföra tillsammans med Alliansen senast efter nästa val. Men om opinionsläget står sig, med ett stort SD, hur vill moderatledaren då regera? Över blockgränsen eller tillsammans med SD? Eller som minoritetsregering? Moderatledaren Anna Kinberg Batra säger att hon inte släpper fram en socialdemokratisk statsminister i minoritet efter nästa val, oavsett om det rödgröna blocket blir större än alliansen. Och sedan om nationalism - vad betyder det för politikerna och partierna? Hör Kristdemokraternas Joakim Pettersson, Vänsterpartiets Aron Etzler, Björn von Sydow (S) och Mattias Karlsson (SD) beskriva sitt partis relation till nationalism.  Statvetarna Anders Hellström och Marie Demker ger oss perspektiven.

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  • Anna Kinberg-Batra och Erik Ullenhag mot Henrik Torehammar och Emanuel Karlsten

    · Lantzkampen

    I veckans omgång av Lantzkampen är det både nya och mer erfarna medverkande som sätts på prov om det senaste i nyhetsflödet. Det är P3-programledarna Henrik Torehammar och Emanuel Karlsten som möter två toppolitiker, moderaten och gruppledaren i riksdagen Anna Kinberg-Batra och integrationsminister Erik Ullenhag. Programledare: Annika Lantz  Domare: Sara Lövestam I veckans omgång av Lantzkampen är det både nya och mer erfarna medverkande som sätts på prov om det senaste i nyhetsflödet. Det är P3-programledarna Henrik Torehammar och Emanuel Karlsten som möter två toppolitiker, moderaten och gruppledaren i riksdagen Anna Kinberg-Batra och integrationsminister Erik Ullenhag. Programledare är som vanligt Annika Lantz och domare är Sara Lövestam.

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  • 22: Anna Kinberg Batra, Moderat Gruppledare i Riksdagen och Ordförande i Finansutskottet

    · mPodden

    Michael Anderberg har träffat Anna Kinberg Batra (m), Riksdagsledamot, Gruppledare för Moderata Riksdagsgruppen samt Ordförande i Finansutskottet; Vi pratar om bland annat den ekonomiska tillväxten i Sverige med Alliansens politik men också om det hemska som har hänt i Japan och mycket annat.   Du kan följa Anna Kinberg Batra på hennes blog:http://annakinbergbatra.blogspot.com/  Ansvarig utgivare: Lidingömoderaterna   Vinjettmusik: "Flyter" med Wille Crafoord, Mange Schmidt och Sofia Talvik, används med tillstånd.

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  • Eddie Pepitone & Colleen Werthmann

    · 03:53:23 · David Feldman Show

    Liam McEneaney and Constitutional Law Professor Corey Brettschneider. Colleen starts the show with the C word right out of the gate, so there's that. David remembers Gary Shapiro who passed away last week. David talks about whether it's possible to be friends with a Trump supporter. Liam and Colleen pester David about his love life until he finally confesses to a type of sex act. Eddie Pepitone talks about his two dogs Basil and Charlotte and how they lead him down dark dangerous alleys in bad neighborhoods because they want him dead so they can be free to chase squirrels. David defends the impending Writers strike insisting less television getting written is a good thing. Eddie and David try to cheer each other up by comparing their individual states of despair and anxiety. Eddie and David argue over whether or not America ended with a whimper of a bang. Professor Corey Brettschneider lightens things up by telling David that during the past 100 days he has never had more faith in the constitution, even though Donald Trump says he wants to get rid of it. David and Corey talk libel laws, First Amendment issues as well as Sullivan Versus The New York Times.  David reunites with Colleen & Liam to talk about living with someone with tourettes, David learns about GG Allin, David gets interrogated about his love life, Hitler Youth Camps, how to qualify for German citizenship, Jewish re-population in Germany, Brian Kiley’s father lackluster story, comedy writing room bits, Mr. Methane, culinary culture, not being able to discipline your kids, Dick Morris, sabotaging David’s preplanned bits, Trump’s link to the mafia, being influenced by the cultural waves and David’s audience of basement masturbators. Tell us what you think in the comment section below. More David @ http://www.DavidFeldmanShow.com Tune in every Tuesday and Friday for brand new episodes of our show featuring a diverse mixture of comedians, actors, professors, comedy writers and journalists talking about your world. Check out our new You Tube channel. More about David: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0271017/?ref_=nv_sr_1 David writes for Triumph The Insult Comic Dog's series on Hulu and Maya and Marty on NBC. David has also won three Prime Time Emmys for comedy writing, as well as four Writers Guild Awards. He has also written on ABC's Roseanne, HBO's Dennis Miller Live, HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher, Comedy Central's The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, The Academy Awards, The Emmys, and countless roasts on Comedy Central. Get Social With David: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/davidfeldmancomedy?ref=hl Twitter: https://twitter.com/David_Feldman_ Subscribe to his audio podcast: iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/david-feldman-show/id321997239 Become a subscriber to our podcast! When you join for only a $5 monthly subscription donation you’ll gain access to the David Feldman Premium Content, featuring bonus material from the funniest comedians who have been guests on the show. We accept all major credit cards. Join today and help support the show!

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  • #019: The New Structure of Infinite Possibility, David Eagleman on Impact Theory

    · 00:51:03 · Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu

    David Eagleman was always filled with wonder by the things he didn’t understand. The writer and the presenter of the amazing international PBS series The Brain, internationally best-selling author, and Vice Chair of the World Economic Forum in the area of Behavior and Neuroscience sits down with Tom Bilyeu to discuss the beautiful complexity of the brain in this episode of Impact Theory.   SHOW NOTES David talks about what began his fascination with the brain. [3:53] David shares the types of questions he asks in his first book “Sum.” [6:01] Tom and David discuss the immeasurable power of the galaxy. [13:24] David describes the gravitational pull that draws him to science. [17:24] David explains the potato head theory and sticking new information into the brain. [20:46] Tom and David discuss how neosensory helps develop a new perception of the world. [24:40] David tells why the computer is a terrible metaphor for the brain. [35:33] David talks about imperfect memories, getting more inputs, and associations. [38:24] Tom and David discuss the notion of free will. [41:14] David explores structural pathways and creating new senses in humans. [45:09] David talks about neuro law and understanding the variety in people’s brains. [48:52] David defines the impact that he wants to have on the world. [51:30]   MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE BOOKS Sum: Tales from the Afterlives by David Eagleman - http://amzn.to/2opInyD [2:04] Incognito, The Secret Lives of the Brain by David Eagleman - http://amzn.to/2pZJCoq [2:28] The Brain: The Story of You by David Eagleman - http://amzn.to/2opIEBJ [2:32] Einstein’s Dreams by Alan Lightman - http://amzn.to/2opvwg3 [16:16] Livewired by David Eagleman - Coming 2018 http://bit.ly/2puBifU [34:25] The Runaway Species by Anthony Brandt and David Eagleman - Coming October 2017 http://amzn.to/2q8e8c4 [36:21]   PEOPLE Saud Guru interview - http://bit.ly/2e7HBPZ [15:41] Francis Crick - http://bit.ly/2nYoEpu [16:34] Paul Bloom - http://bit.ly/2ojKq34 [40:23]   RESOURCES BrainCheck - http://bit.ly/2nYzxrp [28:55]   FOLLOW DAVID PERSONAL WEBSITE: http://bit.ly/1HolTSw ORGANIZATION WEBSITE: http://bit.ly/2oHFTdy TWITTER: http://bit.ly/2kWj31m INSTAGRAM: http://bit.ly/2ooDnFF FACEBOOK: http://bit.ly/2punxho   Tom Bilyeu is the co-founder of 2014 Inc. 500 company Quest Nutrition — a unicorn startup valued at over $1 billion — and the co-founder and host of Impact Theory. Impact Theory is a first-of-its-kind company designed to facilitate global change through the incubation of mission-based businesses and the cultivation of empowering content. Every piece of content Impact Theory creates is meant to underscore the company mission to free people from The Matrix and help them unlock their true potential. Impact Theory exists to inspire the next generation of game-changing companies and creators that will make a true and lasting impact on the world.   FOLLOW TOM BILYEU TWITTER: http://bit.ly/2iyjY5P INSTAGRAM: http://bit.ly/2j7vqX8 FACEBOOK: http://bit.ly/2hPStWo   FOLLOW IMPACT THEORY TWITTER: http://bit.ly/2iC5lN3 INSTAGRAM: http://bit.ly/2hPSGJa FACEBOOK: http://bit.ly/2iystOf   Subscribe to the PODCAST to get episodes early: http://apple.co/2icO5wz

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