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  • First up, a big announcement
    Today's episode is significant as it marks the last interview the Beyond Consultation Podcast will be releasing for the foreseeable future. That's big! But why end a good thing... find out more in the episode.
    Introducing Jade Tang-Taylor
    This kōrero with Jade asks how do we care for ourselves when we care for our work?
    Working to change systems and organisations is tough work. It's never complete. Your efforts often pass by with no thanks. (And often you bear the brunt of people's negative emotions.)
    We also talk about how our culture and heritage can profoundly affect our work. Our history shapes our future - whether we're aware of it or not.
    In today's episode you'll learn:

    How to care for yourself even when that feels like the last thing on your list How to embrace the legacy of your cultural heritage within your mahi The effects of AI in the workplace and how you can maintain your humanity in the midst of massive technological and social change.

    Resources mentioned in this episode:

    ⁠The Long Time Academy Podcast. ⁠ ⁠Check out Academy X here. ⁠ ⁠Connect with Jade Tang-Taylor on Linkedin here. ⁠

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  • Introducing Judy Zhang

    How can we put relationships, learning and a systems-view at the centre of our work?

    This question is what guides my kōrero with Construction Accord Director, Judy Zhang.

    The Construction Accord is a shared commitment between government and industry to transform the construction sector. In 2022, the government set out a three-year action plan to tackle the sector's systemic challenges and build resilience across the industry.

    With the temptation to sweep failures under the rug when working in the public sector, Judy shares how transformative it can be when we put learning at the heart of our work.

    In today's episode you'll learn:

    What happens when you put relationships and learning at the center of systems change. Why evaluation needs to be everybody's job (not just the data people's) How to shift from KPIs (focused on proving your progress) to meaningful measures (focused on learning).

    Resources mentioned in this episode:

    Learn more about the Construction Accord mahi here. Get more insight with the Construction Sector Accord evaluation report here. Expand your Behavioral insights understanding in policy here. Find the Construction Sector Accord Transformation Plan here. Read about the Theory of Change here.

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  • Introducing Natalia Sexton

    How can a philanthropic funder use its power, influence and resources to enable systems change?

    Today's kōrero with is with Natalia Sexton, General Manager of Weave (the new name for the Working Together More Fund).

    Natalia has advised and held leadership positions with Iwi, Government, NGO’s and Philanthropy. You can hear her passion coming through for centering whānau and community voices in transformational change.

    Like me, Natalia is a recovering law graduate - but don't hold that against us. 😉

    In today's episode you'll learn:

    How to shift power dynamics to create positive systems change.

    Why it's essential that our whakapapa is at the core of everything we do.

    How to weave equity into everything your organisation does.

    Resources mentioned in this episode:

    ⁠WEAVE NZ.⁠

    ⁠Connect with Natalia on Linkedin. ⁠

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  • Introducing Tracey Shepherd

    August's episode is another gem brought to you through my Inspiring Communities connection (big shout out to the wonderful people that work there).

    Tracey Shepherd, REAP Aotearoa National Director, on the committee for Cloudkids Educare and coordinator of Fab Feathy, a community-led development initiative in Pae Tū Mokai Featherston.

    Our kōrero today centres around the incredible force of coming together as a community, supporting each other, and just bloody getting on with it.

    In such a time of disconnect, it's more important than ever to reconnect.

    In today's episode you'll learn:

    The power of a community leading and doing it for themselves. Invest in the outcomes you want, but adjust your thinking in how to achieve those outcomes. The work that REAP Aotearoa and Fab Feathy are doing in leading community development.

    Resources mentioned in this episode:

    Connect with Tracey Shepherd on Linkedin. REAP Aotearoa. Fab Feathy.

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  • Introducing Vanessa Sidney-Richmond and Sarah Morris

    Today's episode was sparked by the recent release of a report called Make the Move: Shifting How the Public Sector Works with Communities.

    I don't know about you, but that's a topic I can get in behind.

    In today's episode, I talk to Vanessa Sidney-Richmond, Pou Whirinaki of Te Tihi o Ruahine Whānau Ora Alliance, and Sarah Morris, Freelance Social and Systems Change Consultant and author of the report (commissioned by Inspiring Communities).

    In our kōrero, the overarching theme is around the question; how can we shift the way the public sector works with communities? How can we broaden government's role so it's about creating the conditions for change, alongside creating solutions themselves?

    We cover a few key topics in today's episode, and that's what I love about these interviews! A complete collaboration and sharing of ideas and opinions.

    So please, enjoy this impactful kōrero with Vanessa and Sarah, and make sure to check out the report. Don't just listen to this episode... share it with your team and use the report to inspire some deep learning, reflection and action.

    In today's episode you'll learn:

    What 'locally led, regionally supported and nationally enabled' really means and how this approach can positively impact communities. What do we mean by 'creating the conditions for change'? (And why is that shift so important?) How can we rebalance the relationship between government and community, bit by bit?

    Resources mentioned in this episode:

    The Make the Move Report ⁠⁠ Connect with Sarah on Linkedin. Learn more about Vanessa's organisation Te Tihi Inspiring Communities website. Powerdigm website.

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  • Introducing Mele Wendt

    Most of us have heard about IQ (your intellectual quotient), and some of us have heard about EQ (your emotional quotient). But what do you know about your CQ - your cultural quotient?

    In a world of diverse ethnicities and cultures, it's time to grow your cultural awareness.

    In today's episode, Mele Wendt graciously gives us some tough love and unpacks some Pasifika concepts of governance and collaboration. Her whakapapa roots back to Samoa, and so her perspective comes through a Samoan lens.

    Mele shares with us how the Samoan governance system is so different, yet so similar to Western governance systems.

    And she challenges us to stop lumping "the Pasifika community" together as one, and instead get out there and learn about the rich cultural diversity and needs of Pasifika communities before we engage.

    In today's episode you'll learn:

    What is CQ and how can you grow yours How Samoan governance is similar to Western governance (and how you can embrace that when working with Pasifika peoples) Some hard-hitting practical tips for engaging with Pasifika communities.

    Resources mentioned in this episode:

    The Learning Lab Connect with Mele on Linkedin.

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  • Introducing Dr Emily Beausoleil

    In today’s episode, Dr Emily Beausoleil asks a fundamental question:

    How do we make it easier for people in advantaged positions to listen effectively?

    Because let's face it. In today's society, listening is the poor cousin to talking. We face immense challenges in building the capacity for better listening in our institutions, our online spaces and our everyday interactions.

    Emily's work explores the conditions, challenges, and possibilities of democratic engagement in diverse societies.

    Born and raised in Canada, Emily is aware of her own privilege and curious about her place in Aotearoa New Zealand.

    In this epsiode, we explore listening in Aotearoa's context - how can we learn from, and listen to, our tangata, our people, when engaging with different organisations? How can we make sure we have an awareness of their history, culture, structure and location - all in hopes of deeper understanding?

    In today's episode you'll learn:

    What research tells us about how to enable (or disable) good listening How can we listen more intentionally, in hopes of gaining a deeper understanding. How to navigate your own privilege (or challenge) in different contexts.

    Resources mentioned in this episode:

    The Learning Lab Connect with Dr Emily Beausoleil through Victoria University Connect with Dr Emily Beausoleil on Linkedin Tauiwi Tautoko - an online programme to grow your capacity to change the narrative when encountering racism or hatred online

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  • Introducing Ivan Tava

    “It’s about the process, not just the outcome. It's the journey, not just the goal.”   

    Ivan Tava grew up in the South Island - Te Waipounamu - and that experience has really shaped him.

    He continues to serve the people of Te Waipounamu today. In the daytime, he leads the development of PWC's consulting team. At night and during the weekends, he puts his energy into serving his people as part of the Pacific Data Sovereignty Network.

    In today’s episode, he takes us on a journey through his cultural roots to help you understand how to better serve Māori and Pasifika whānau.

    Ivan has some hard-hitting messages about how you treat your brown staff within your own organisation. If you cannot connect with your brown staff, you will not connect with their communities.

    In today's episode you'll learn:

    How to connect with your Māori and Pasifika staff (and how not to treat them!)  What to do with your privileged position to support the aspirations of your Māori and Pasifika staff How to honour the sovereignty of data about Pacific peoples. 

    Resources mentioned in this episode:

    Connect with Ivan on Linkedin.

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  • Introducing Kelsey Taimaiporea

    Three Waters. We've all heard about it, most of us have seen a "stop Three Waters" billboard somewhere in Aotearoa. But what does it really involve? How does the Three Waters initiative impact Māori? 

    Today we talk to Kelsey Taimaiporea, Three Waters Engagement Lead at New Plymouth District Council. A large part of Kelsey's role is to engage meaningfully with Iwi to navigate tapu (sacred) sites and the significant impact of these changes. 

    Engaging Māori communities means visiting the marae, listening to their stories and drinking a thousand cups of tea to truly understand the tangata whenua that are being impacted.  

    In today's episode you'll learn:

    Three Waters - we've all heard about it but what is it? How Three Waters impacts Iwi in Aotearoa  The significance of engaging meaningfully with those communities most impacted by these changes 

    Resources mentioned in this episode:

    Three Waters NPDC. Connect with Kelsey on Linkedin.

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  • Introducing Mike Reid

    Today is our fourth of our series of Throwback episodes, and this one takes us way back to Ep 7!
    The perfect bite-sized episode for easy listening - Mike Reid discusses the unique diversity emerging in local government now, and how there is so much space to enable even more community-led decisions and consultations. 

    Mike Reid leads an incredibly powerful project with Local Government NZ, the Localism Project. Reinvigorating local democracy is at the heart of the Localism Project, by supporting local councils and communities to make decisions that affect them. 

    In today’s episode you’ll learn about: The positive changes in council diversity over the last few decades (which may surprise you).  How important it is to use the right language when consulting with communities and councils.  Why it's important to allow space for more community-led decisions and consultations. Resources mentioned on the show Localism NZ website Full Episode 7 with Mike Reid. Sign up for the Movement Makers newsletter

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  • Introducing Ayla Hoeta

    Ayla Hoeta is a kaiāwhina - a Lecturer - with Waipapa Taumata Rau, the University of Auckland. She’s a māmā of two teenage sons, with whākapapa roots connected to the south of Tāmaki Makaurau.

    Carrying a deep understanding of racial segregation, poverty and the inequality rooted in Aotearoa, Ayla has sought to heal the generational wounds ingrained into our tangata whenua - the people of our land - by connecting to her identity.

    As part of this healing, Ayla has helped to develop a framework called Hautū Waka; a navigational framework rooted in mātauranga Māori that you can use to help navigate complexity.

    Hautū Waka encourages us to switch our thinking from human-centred design to whānau and whakapapa-centred design; rooting our decisions in ancient knowledge.

    Also in today's episode, we dive deep into what it means to be a good Treaty partner and the true effects of subtle racism in the workplace.

    In today's episode you'll learn:

    What it means to be a good Treaty partner What you can do when you encounter racism in the workplace (because… yes, you will) The deeper meaning behind the word whānau (it’s more than just a nuclear family of 2.4 kids and a dog) Hautū Waka - What is the framework? Where did it spring from? How can you use it?

    Resources mentioned in this episode:

    The Hautū Waka framework The Southern Initiative from Auckland Council. Upsouth innovative youth engagement programme. 

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  • Introducing Matthew Crozier 

    Today's episode is our third in our series of Throwbacks - this time we relive our conversation with Matthew Crozier from Ep 10, looking at how building online digital engagement spills over, aiding to level up your organisations community engagement. 

    Matthew is co-founder of Bang the Table, connecting millions of people with hundreds of organisations globally. 

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  • The hidden influence of collective trauma

    Permacrisis has been named the 'word of the year for 2022' by Collins Dictionary.

    Are your surprised? It's been a time of crisis after crisis, each one piling in after the last.

    Floods. Mass shootings. Earthquakes. Political upheavals. Pandemics. Cost of living pressures.

    These events show up in our lives and create pain - so-called 'collective trauma'.

    If we're lucky, the pain is short-lived and we move on.

    But often the trauma lives on in us. Unprocessed and unresolved. It continues to influence us as individuals and as a society long after the news cycle has moved on.

    Introducing Louise Marra

    On today’s podcast, we dive into the topic of collective trauma with guest Louise Marra.

    If you're skeptical about the relevance of trauma to your work, that's normal.

    But Louise encourages us to create space for healing our collective trauma no matter what work you're involved in. And she shares some simple tips for giving this a go in a way that won't make people run for the hills.

    If deeper and more meaningful work through harnessing the hidden power of healing our collective trauma lights your fire, buckle in for this kōrero with Louise. The opportunities for healing are all around us.

    Content warning - we talk about death in this episode

    This episode includes a discussion about death. We put an optimistic and empowering lens on its role in our work lives. But if that's not something you feel like jumping into today, this might not be the episode for you.

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  • Introducing Holly Bennett

    Today we cast our thoughts back to Ep 17 with Holly Bennett, all about the unexpected path into political lobbying.

    Particularly, we hear Holly's answers to these questions; 

    "What is lobbying?"
    "How do you get started in lobbying?"  

    Advocacy in government is essential, and Holly shares some wonderful insights on why she chose to go against the grain and how you can too. 

    In today’s episode you’ll learn The truth about lobbying… is it really the dark art and dirty politics it’s made out to be? What it takes to be a professional lobbyist How a beginner can get started with lobbying to those in power and governmentResources mentioned in this episode Holly’s consulting firm Awhi. Engage - your place to get trained in government relations and lobbying www.engage.org.nzSign up for the Movement Makers newsletter

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  • Introducing Aimee Gasparetto and Tammy Mudge

    The future work-scape is collaborative, sustainable, humanitarian, and local. Are you ready to participate in this new economy? 

    For Every One, Every Day - an organisation in Halifax, Canada - the participatory cities approach feels like second nature. Nurturing community, particularly in respect of Halifax's prominent Indigenous people, is what Aimee and Tammy strive for in their work every day. 

    "What if you could build a system of participation that could extend across cities and connect neighbourhoods?" This question fuels our discussion, which dives deeper into the practicality of participation driven communities.  

    In Ep 55 we discussed the participatory cities approach and how it has the potential to positively impact communities.  

    Today, in Ep 57, we cast our mind back to participatory cities, to hear about this approach in a practical, everyday sense and what it really looks like when introduced to Indigenous communities.

    Again, Hamish Lindop also joins us to ask some curious questions and share his thoughts. 

    In today’s episode you’ll learn: 

    What the participatory cities approach looks like in action. The practicality of participation driven communities.  How to customise the participatory cities approach to individual community needs.  How you can get started with this approach in your community. 

    Resources mentioned in this episode: 

    Ep 55 - How can you enable a participatory city? With Tessy Britton The Every One, Every Day organisation in Halifax. 2022 Every One, Every Day Progress Report.

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  • Introducing Israel Hawkins

    Ngati Kahungunu and Ngati Tuwharetoa

    Welcome to our very first 'Throwback' episode! We've looked back at our stats to find some golden episodes that seemed to have gone under the radar.

    In this episode, you'll hear from Israel Hawkins reflecting on how to take a kaupapa-Māori approach to collective impact. If you're intrigued by collective impact, but also hesitant about copying and pasting a North American approach in this country, you will love this throwback.

    You can also hear the full conversation with Israel in episode 19 here.

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  • Introducing Tessy Britton

    Climate change, political upheaval, inequality, global pandemics, the list goes on... How do we come together as people, as humanity, to find ways through this man-made maze?

    A participatory city is where citizens play a key role to create the change they wish to see - rather than suggesting ideas for someone else to potentially create that change.

    In today's episode - part one of two - we'll be talking with Tessy Britton, who is the key driver behind this participatory cities approach in the UK.

    Plus you'll hear from Hamish Lindop - a New Zealander inspired to adopt the Participatory Cities approach in his work with Auckland Council.

    In today’s episode you’ll learn: What a participatory cities approach looks like and how it has the potential to impact communities Why the Participatory Cities team describe the approach as "a platform" The positives outcomes from intentionally participating in your own communities and neighbourhoods and what that can look like How we can learn from this approach in the UK and transform it to work within our own backyard.

    Resources mentioned in this episode:

    More information on Tessy Britton's Participatory City Foundation in the UK An article about the work Hamish Lindop is doing to bring the Participatory Cities approach to Aotearoa  Connect with Hamish Lindop and Tessy Britton over on their LinkedIn accounts

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  • Introducing Jon Tamihere-Kemeys

    In today's Bonus Episode 54, we continue our discussion with Jon Tamihere-Kemeys on all things transformation from an a te ao Māori point of view.

    Navigating transformation through the choppy waters of conflict, resolution and uncertainty, JT asks "if everyone is paddling, but the waves are pushing you left and right, who's holding the waka straight?"
    Leading navigation is no easy task which is why there is insurmountable value in external guidance when riding the waves of transformation within organisation.

    If you're interested in hearing more about the conversation we started with Jon Tamihere-Kemeys in Episode 51, this bonus episode is just what you need.

    In today’s episode you’ll learn:

    Navigating transformation through the lens of a te ao Māori The value of independent partners to guide in times of change and growth The importance of keeping mana atuatanga at the heart of all we do

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  • Introducing Lil Anderson

    If you spend any time researching those that are playing a role between Māori and the Crown, then you’ll soon come across an organisation called Te Arawhiti - the Office for Māori Crown Relations.

    Translated, ‘Te Arawhiti’ means ‘the bridge’, and the organisation was established in 2018 by Cabinet to work towards true Treaty partnership.

    Our guest today, Lil Anderson, is the Chief Executive of this amazing organisation and she shares her unique view and approach to building true partnership between Māori and the Crown.

    Having been thrown into the deep end by Dame Whina Cooper when she was just seven years old, Lil has carried the same purpose and spirit with her through all her years of public service - to speak up and be bolder.

    If you’d love to feel more empowered in your place as either Māori or Pākehā, and feel more equipped to ‘cross the bridge’ and find a way to work in true partnership, this episode is essential listening.

    In today’s episode you’ll learn: Why Pākehā need to spend more time crossing the bridge into te ao Māori to grow true partnership The importance of listening (and that your first move shouldn’t be to research data but to talk to people) What does good partnership look like? What are the features of it and how do you achieve it? How Dame Whina Cooper’s legacy lives on in Lil Anderson today!Resources mentioned in this episode Lil Anderson’s LinkedIn profile Te Arawhiti website Te Haeata – settlement commitments portal Dame Whina Cooper biography and the new movie “Whina” in her honour Aatea Solutions website Beyond Sticky Notes, by Kelly-Ann McKercher--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/beyondconsultation/message
  • Introducing Anjum Rahman

    How can we create a country where everybody feels like they belong?

    It's a powerful question and not one that can be answered in a simple sentence, but it’s the very question that’s at the heart of today's episode.

    Anjum Rahman is the founder and project co-lead of the Inclusive Aotearoa Collective Tāhono. She started up this amazing organisation following the Christchurch mosque attacks, and here we delve deeper into that origin story.

    We also talk about Inclusive Aotearoa’s approach to enabling change, called the constellations approach, and how you can host an effective conversation about something that’s deeply personal.

    This conversation will leave you thinking differently about how we can create a country where everybody belongs - and how your own place in your own community can contribute to that.

    In today’s episode you’ll learn: That diversity and inclusion are not the responsibility of politicians, but of everyone across all communities. The challenge of reflecting upon what ‘belonging’ means to your personally. How to create a safe environment for people to talk about intense personal topics and beliefs What is the constellations approach to enabling change.Resources mentioned in this episode Inclusive Aotearoa Collective Tāhono website Anjum’s LinkedIn profile Ep 30 - Engaging After Trauma - The Royal Commission into the Christchurch Mosques Attack, with Chris Mene Wayfinding Leadership book, by Dr. Chellie Spiller and John Panoho Flying Geese engagement organisation website A wiki on the constellation method of social change

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