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In Episode 58 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn talks with Tyler Weeks, VP of Talent Analytics at Marriott International, and they conduct a TA/Recruiting analytics draft, pro sports style, including the following:
Tyler's dream of measuring employer brand equity KD's goal of extending TA Analytics to the selection skills of the hiring manager Tyler's audacious claim that better responsiveness is needed to land great candidates A cool discussion on sources and why your best sources from a raw numbers perspective may mean nothing A shared taste for funnel metrics mixed with hiring manager psychologyCome for the recruiting data talk, stay for the Tyler's recommendations of whether a Chris Farley/Tommy Boy print is appropriate for KD's workspace.
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In Episode 57 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn talks with Shaunda Zilich, People Brand Leader at Marriott International, on the best way to build a modern employment brand at your company. Among the topics discussed:
--Why she calls it People Brand, not Employment Brand
--The 3 big components to building a modern employment brand, regardless of the size of your company
--The best way to maximize use of your employment brand in the field (toolkits and what should be included in those)
--If you're just gettting started out and don't have a stand alone department for people brand, what type of skills you should be looking for in your normal TA or HR hires to help get your people brand off the ground.
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In Episode 56 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn talks with Mike Fitzsimmons (CEO and founder of Crosschq) about all things related to QUALITY OF HIRE. The conversation centers around the link/correlation of some common hiring elements we naturally think are linked to great quality of hire â referrals, interviews, assessments and more.
Turns out, things aren't what we think they are.
Mike breaks down with the Crosschq research says about each of these big areas (spoiler alert â the link of each to quality of hire isnât what we think it is) and then lays out the reality â that every organization is unique and must chart their own path related to components of quality of hire that matter most to their workforce and industry.
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In Episode 55 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn talks with Tim Sackett (TA industry analyst, HRU Tech, The Tim Sackett Project) about his new book, "The Talent Fix, Volume 2" (click link to view and order), Musings between KD and the artist known as Sackadaumus including the following:
--2:15 - Did the world need The Talent Fix, Volume 2? As sequels go, is this The Empire Strikes Back or Weekend At Bernie's 2?
--3:55 - KD hates Zombie Movies. Enough to make sure the lights are on during World War Z. --9:34 - Tim Sacket give you his elevator pitch for why you should by "The Talent Fix, Volume 2", available for pre-order now, shipping 4/19. --12:11 - Why aren't there more books on recruiting out there? --14:20 - What are the 2 biggest Recruiting truths that carry over into Tim's second book? --17:22 - Why Tim added riskier topics to Volume 2 --25:50 - Why aren't more leadership teams globally supportive of great TA/Recruiting? --27:50 - When leaders want to fix TA, what do they wish they had more of? --32:45 - The time when people came after Tim about his description of the mediocre/lazy recruiter.Please subscribe, rate and review (Apple) and follow (Spotify) to get the latest delivered to you. Click here if you don't see the player on this page.
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In Episode 54 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn talks to Pillar CEO Mark Simpson on all things AI in the space of Talent Acquisition, including the following nuggets:
1. How COVID created critical mass related to remote interviewing that gave rise to a company like Pillar.hr.
2. Why the first job of any recruiting AI should be to give time back to the recruiter or hiring manager via automated interview summaries, making collection of interview feedback easier, etc.
3. Why the right AI can help a hiring manager understand when they are talking too much among other awareness items (can you guess what the target benchmark is for a hiring manager vs a candidate talking in an interview?) - a great piece of feedback almost no hiring manager gets today.
4. How AI can measure candidate sentiment in an interview (do they hate you? i kid... sort of), leading to helping the hiring manager get better at interviewing.
These are just a few of the things Mark and KD talked about. Take a listen and check out Pillar.ai when you get a chance. This is a tech company creating AI tools that really matter to TA and recruiting departments looking to get better.
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In Episode 53 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn goes solo for 12 minutes of goodness and talks about Three Positive Vibes Hiring Managers Can Give Candidates (to get better info) including the following:
1. Off the top, compliment something in their background 2. Be demonstrative in saying you really like something they said or described 3. Use the âyouâre good at thisâ intro to a behavioral interview question to loosen up follow up responsesMake the candidate feel great and you get better info!!
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In Episode 52 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn talks with Tyler Weeks, VP of Talent Analytics at Marriott International, about all things related to the the state of Talent Anlytics in the corporate world (and his life in the world of data), including the following:
What it is like being a talent analytics leader at a F200 company The best thing about Tyler's job The most challenging thing about Tyler's job Where does TA usually fall short related to how they view TA Analytics What are the biggest areas of opportunity in TA related to the coming wave of AICome for the data talk, stay for the KD's review of Tyler's workspace, which includes fine art and pull up bars - both aspirational signs of greatness. :)
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In Episode 51 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn talks with Andrew Flowers, Labor Economist for job programmatic provider Appcast, about all things related to the 2024 job market, including the following:
--Current probablity of a 2024 Recession as seen through labor stats,
--The interaction between unemployment, labor market participation, and quick quits,
--Did we have a recession in the techonology space in 2023, and
--Trends in job posting volume (it's down) and what it means for 2024.
This conversation includes the story of how Andrew's time at the the Federal Reserve made him into one of the world's most approachable economists. Pure gold.
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In Episode 50 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn talks with Sarah D'Angelo, Director of University Recruiting at Marriott International, in a wide ranging discussion about the state of campus recruiting, including the following:
--How campus recruiting is recovering from the COVID era,
--What students are looking for in employers in 2024 (spolier alert - it's changed!), and
--How smart university recruiting teams can listen, engage, and get the best talent that fits their needs.
Sarah breaks down the rebuild from the lost year of 2020 in campus recruiting, and along the way shares her strategy to ensure she serves students as a leader representing Marriott International. A great conversation, be sure to check it out!
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In Episode 49 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn talks with Tim Sackett (TA industry analyst, HRU Tech, The Tim Sackett Project) on the Three Big TA Tech Trends for 2024. Tim shares what he learned in 2023 HR Tech conference season and outlines the biggest trends for 2024, including the following:
--AI and LLMs as they apply to Talent Acquisition
--The Skills Revolution
--CRM
Tim and KD break each area down and talk about what they love about each trend, the challenges they see.
Come for the broad trends, stay for jaded discussion of whether each trend is more vapor than real for 2024.
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In Episode 48 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn talks with Tim Sackett (TA industry analyst, HRU Tech, The Tim Sackett Project) on the 5 Biggest TA/Recruiting Questions to Answer in a Post-Pandemic World. We're well over a year since recruiting ramped back up in April 2021, and it looks like this is the new normal and the old environment is not coming back.
That means we've got some things to figure out. KD and Tim each bring their 5 biggest things and react in real time since they didn't share with each other beforehand. Among the topics covered:
--Does your tech stack need to change?
--Whatâs a good recruiter in a post-pandemic world?
--Is the candidate expectation of immediate response fair?
--How can we limit quick quits by being better recruiters?
--Are we ready to use AI in selection?
--How do we get more candidates to recruit?
--Will Indeed ever be replaced in the top of the funnel market?Please subscribe, rate and review (Apple) and follow (Spotify) to get the latest delivered to you. Click here if you don't see the player on this page.
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In Episode 47 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn talks with Phil North (VP of Customer Experience at Kinetix) on the challenges of disagreeing and resolving subsequent conflict (or perceived conflict) on REMOTE TEAMS, where visual cues and informal, in-person connection is rare. From a new hire perspective, this is a big topic to properly onboard and not lose a new hire to the "quick quit" trend that's happening more often in a tight labor market.
In their conversation, Phil and KD hit the following:
The tools available to remote teams to resolve conflict â text, voice calls, more Zoom or MS Teams calls. How quickly to go back/reach out once you battled with someone. The potential for setting rules for how tension reduction can happen on remote teams. Does the teammate feel the same way? How do you know? The danger of letting it roll for days without attempting to resolve it/. Phil's love for Mini-Coopers and ability to spin life situations from a Mini-Cooper lens.Please subscribe, rate and review (Apple) and follow (Spotify) to get the latest delivered to you. Click here if you don't see the player below!
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In Episode 46 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn talks with Eric Torigian (CHRO at SitusAMC) on building sustainable organizations as a company grows from 1,000 to 8,000 employees in a a matter of months, not years. Along the way, they talk about the need to flush out "pocket vetos" (change blockers) and to be "brief, brilliant and gone" as an advisor to the business.
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In Episode 45 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn talks with Tim Sackett (HRU Tech, Fistful of Talent, The Tim Sackett Project), as Tim shares some of his experiences with alternative paths into a career in recruiting, including a former Pastor who turned out to be a great recruiter.
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In Episode 44 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn talks with Kamal Janardhan, (General Manager, Microsoft Viva Insights, Microsoft 365) about the MyAnalytics platform that's routinely sending individual reports on wellness, productivity, collaboration and more to your employees. Kris and Kamal discuss the intent of these analytic reports, as well as what the future could hold for increasing productivity, innovation and wellness in your organization through this platform.
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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:
1:20 - Kris describes to Kamal how he got introduced to the Wellness report of MyAnalytics.
5:55 - Kamal talks about what's most interesting to her in the aggregate about how the USA works based on the trove of Microsoft data.
8:15 - Kris asks Kamal what tools are available â both now and in the future â for managers of teams to be progressive coaches based on how their teams are working.
9:15 - Kamal talks about the differences she is seeing across industry and geographies in the US related to how we work.
22:00 - Kamal talks about what she's most excited about related to the future of workplace analytics. Whatâs the future hold? What other data analysis can we expect?
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In Episode 43 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn does Office Hours and answers a listener mail question that's causing pain everywhere in the world of recruiting: "How Do I Get My Recruiters to Consistently Use Our ATS?"
Along the way, KD hits on the following considerations when trying to improve how recruiters use your ATS:
4:50 - Making tough decisions about what you actually want your recruiters to record in the ATS.
8:00 - Becoming more like a Sales team and ensuring you can report on your recruiting funnel for each req your team works.
11:50 - How consistent reporting is key to recruiter adoption of your ATS.
17:30 - Why spending time and resources ($) on how sourced candidates from other databases get into the ATS is a gift you have to give your recruiters to get them to use your system.
19:08 - Audits, performance management tie-ins and more to measure ATS adoption across your recruiters.
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In Episode 42 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn does Office Hours and answers a listener mail question that's causing pain everywhere in the world of recruiting: "How Do I Get Candidates To Stop Ghosting My Recruiters?"
Dawn Burke, VP of Talent Consulting at Kinetix sits in for reflection on KD's advice. Problems are solved. We laugh, we cry. We learn. OK, it's not that serious, but we discuss. In and out in 15 minutes. KD believes that you shouldn't try to stop ghosting, the key is TO MAKE CANDIDATES WHO ARE GOING GHOST YOU DO IT FASTER AND EARLIER IN THE PROCESS.
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In Episode 41 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn does Office Hours and answers a listener mail question that's as old as recruiting itself: "How Do I Get a Hiring Leader Who Doesn't Understand Recruiting Off My Back?"
Dawn Burke, VP of Talent Consulting at Kinetix sits in for reflection on KD's advice. Problems are solved. We laugh, we cry. We learn. OK, it's not that serious, but we discuss. In and out in 15 minutes.
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In Episode 40 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn talks with Tim Sackett (HRU Tech, Fistful of Talent, The Tim Sackett Project) on best practices when hiring recruiters at your company. Tim and Kris talk through the following topics of note when it comes to "recruiting recruiters":
The whole remote/hybrid/in office question when it comes to hiring recruiters. Why your approach to the career level of the recruiter profile you seek and training provided probably dictates what you can do in office vs. remote-based recruiters. Whatâs the market like right now for hiring a recruiiter? (it might be better than many report) Candidate Slotting (what type of recruiter works for you) and Pay Models for Recruiters. Referral Programs â Do they really work when youâre trying to recruit recruiters? The value of Assessments and what we like/need in recruiter candidates Funnel stats from KD's recent search.Please subscribe, rate and review (Apple) and follow (Spotify) to get the latest delivered to you. Click here if you don't see the player below!
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In Episode 39 of BEST HIRE EVER, Kris Dunn talks with Cameron Corder, CEO of the Cleveland County YMCA (NC) on the art of recruiting great talent for a mission-based organization. Cam and Kris discuss recruiting strategies for non-profits in competing with the rest of the world for talent, and what the for-profit world can learn from his 25 years of attracting great people to the YMCA mission.
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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:
1:30 - Cam walks through his background at the YMCA and mission of the Y that most people arenât aware enough of.
6:00 - In his 25 years at the YMCA, what has Cam learned about recruiting for a mission-based non-profit like the YMCA?
10:50 - Whatâs Cam's sweet spot in messaging on the opportunity to come to a non-profit and serve a mission? How does he translate that messaging into getting hires that you might not otherwise get? It turns out that the biggest draw is the track record of people development who went on to the next thing from his Y organization.
16:10 - Is the mission-based message a big part of retention? Does it become part of why people stay? Cam talks about the network of the Y and the diversity inside the Y being representative of the community it serves.
20:35 - What can the corporate world learn from the Y related to having a cause/mission as part of their identity and using that to recruit more effectively? Cam and KD talk about the need for companies without an obvious mission to create service missions for the communities they serve.
24:55 - Cam talks about how he's used the tag "BHE" as a broad recognition that someone's a great hire rather than say Best Hire Ever - which feels limited to one person. BHE as a recognition program!
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