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Dr. Chantelle Thomas and Dr. Ingmar Gorman discuss the safety and ethical considerations of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for PTSD, including standardization, non-directive approach, and adherence to therapy protocol. They also explore complex power dynamics in therapeutic relationships, ethical nuances of supporting participants in psychedelic studies, and the importance of representing a diverse population in psychedelic trials.
(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:10:30) Therapist-participant relationships in psychedelic-assisted therapy trial.
(00:14:58) Challenges in supporting participants in psychedelic studies after the end of the trial.
(00:23:11) Standardizing therapy for MDMA-assisted therapy trial.
(00:32:11) The importance of non-directional support.
(00:36:37) Operationalizing therapy techniques to ensure consistency and address power imbalances.
(00:43:06) Psychedelic therapy adherence and rating systems.
(00:50:08) Therapist flexibility in the trial.
(00:59:41) Inclusion of diverse participants.
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/
Integrata: www.integratahealing.com
Dr. Ingmar Gorman: https://www.ingmargorman.com/about
Lykos: https://lykospbc.com
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas talks to Dr. Ingmar Gorman about concerns and methodological critiques of MDMA-assisted therapy, including historical boundary violations and inappropriate treatment of participants. They also address adverse event management, inner healing intelligence, and the importance of adapting language and approach to resonate with each individual participant. Additionally, they discuss the ethical complexities of conducting clinical trials, including balancing participant privacy and safety with the need to share information for public advocacy and education. Finally, they delve into the intricacies of trauma therapy, including personal experiences, clinical approaches, and limitations, and emphasize the need for a paradigm shift in clinical practice, prioritizing the client's agency and internal resources for healing.
(0:00:00) Introduction
(0:10:14) FDA's decision on MDMA therapy for PTSD, with focus on ICER and FDA advisory panel reports.
(0:15:21) The benefits and challenges of a clinical trial for treating PTSD.
(0:21:03) Conducting clinical trials with nuanced considerations for ethics, regulations, and participant experiences.
(0:31:52) Adverse events in the trial, with concerns about data accuracy and researcher bias.
(0:44:02) Suicidal ideation and its impact on mental health treatment.
(0:52:23) Clinical trial design and unblinding issues in PTSD treatment study.
(0:59:26) MDMA therapy for trauma, participants' experiences and criticisms.
(1:05:31) Trauma therapy effectiveness and the importance of considering other measures beyond PTSD symptoms.
(1:10:36) Inner healing intelligence in MDMA-assisted therapy.
(1:29:51) MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD, including resourcing and adherence.
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/
Integrata: www.integratahealing.com
Dr. Ingmar Gorman: https://www.ingmargorman.com/about
Lykos: https://lykospbc.com
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Manglende episoder?
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas talks to Dr. Chris Stauffer about his unique path to becoming a provider of psychedelic therapy, which began in the theater.
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/
Integrata: www.integratahealing.com
Dr. Chris Stauffer, MD, Director of SNaP Lab: https://www.chrisstauffermd.com/
Dr. Stauffer (he/they) is Associate Professor of Psychiatry at Oregon Health & Science University (OHSU) and dual board-certified in Psychiatry and Addiction Medicine. Dr. Stauffer is an OHSU medical school alum and completed Adult Psychiatry Residency and an Advanced Neuroscience Research Fellowship at the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF). Dr. Stauffer is an MDMA-assisted therapy supervisor, trainer, and educator, is a member of the Oregon Governor's Psilocybin Advisory Board, and has served as an expert psychedelic therapy consultant for various federal agencies. Dr. Stauffer has served in curriculum development, teaching, and mentorship roles for many programs, including the Center for Psychedelic Therapies and Research at the California Institute of Integral Studies, Integrative Psychiatry Institute’s Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy Training, and Naropa University’s Center for Psychedelic Studies.
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas and Nick Brüss chat about the common aims and integration of internal family systems therapy (IFS) and psychedelic-assisted therapy.
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/
Integrata: www.integratahealing.com
Nicholas Brüss, EdD, LMFT: https://psychedelic.support/network/nicholas-bruss-edd-lmft
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas and Kevin Franciotti have a wide ranging conversation about new opportunities, risks, and political implications of using psychedelics in recovery.
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/
Integrata: www.integratahealing.com
Kevin Franciotti: https://www.kevinfranciotticounseling.com/
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas chats with Blind Spots producer Andrew Isham about her experience providing ketamine assisted psychotherapy (KAP) at Integrata. They also discuss what the direction of the podcast will be in 2024.
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/
Integrata: www.integratahealing.com
Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies: https://maps.org/
Polaris Insight Center: https://www.polarisinsight.com/
The Ketamine Training Center: https://theketaminetrainingcenter.com/
Psychedelic Research and Training Institute: https://pratigroup.org/
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas connects with Dr. Willa Hall. They discuss their experiences facilitating psychedelic-assisted therapies.
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery:
https://windroserecovery.com/
Dr. Willa Hall, Clinical Psychologist:
https://www.nautilussanctuary.org/about#&gid=1326960091&pid=1
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas has a wide-ranging conversation with Dr. Chuck Raison about how consciousness plays a role in psychedelic-assisted therapies.
Dr. Chuck Raison, M.D., Mary Sue and Mike Shannon Chair for Healthy Minds, Children & Families in the School of Human Ecology and a Professor in the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Wisconsin – Madison:
https://www.psychiatry.wisc.edu/staff/raison-charles/
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery:
https://windroserecovery.com/
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas talks to Dr. Peter Hendricks about the use of psychedelics to treat substance use disorders.
Peter Hendricks, Ph.D., Department of Health Behavior University of Alabama at Birmingham
https://www.uab.edu/news/experts/all-experts-category/item/10947-hendricks-peter
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery:
https://windroserecovery.com/
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas talks to Tammy Limbach about the combination of somatic experiencing with ketamine assisted therapy.
Tammy Limbach, Certified Roller, Yoga Practitioner and Somatic Experiencing Practitioner: http://tammylimbach.com/
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas chats with Dr. Steve Thayer, Ph.D. about his early years as a therapist in the military, his involvement with psychedelic assisted therapy, and how it relates to his experience growing up in the LDS church.
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/
Dr. Steve Thayer, Ph.D.: https://www.drstevethayer.com/
Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers Podcast: https://numinus.com/podcast/
Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies: https://maps.org/
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas chats with Andrew Isham about her experience providing ketamine assisted psychotherapy (KAP), and about Integrata, a new outpatient KAP service.
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/
Integrata: www.integratahealing.com
Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies: https://maps.org/
Polaris Insight Center: https://www.polarisinsight.com/
The Ketamine Training Center: https://theketaminetrainingcenter.com/
Psychedelic Research and Training Institute: https://pratigroup.org/
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas has a wide-ranging conversation with therapist Rachel Rubenstein.
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/
Rachel Rubenstein, LCSW, CSAT-S, SEP-C: https://changesfc.com/
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas chats with Lea wolf, who assisted in her child birth process and is now teaching doulas and training to be an internal family systems (IFS) therapist.
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/
Lea Wolf: www.leawolf.com
Lumos Birth & Baby (classes, workshops, support): www.welcometolumos.com.
A Good Birth: Finding the Positive and Profound in Your Childbirth Experience by Anne Lyerly: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A6WV4AC/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas chats with Dr. Larry Leeman about psychedelic assisted therapy.
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/
Lawrence (Larry) Leeman, MD, MPH, Medical Director, Maternal Child Program, UNM School of Medicine: https://fcm.unm.edu/administration/people/profiles/larry_leeman
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas chats with Dr. Joe Kort about the role of sex in a therapy.
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/
Dr. Joe Kort, PhD, LMSW, Clinical Director and Founder, The Center for Relationship and Sexual Health: https://joekort.com/
"Smart Sex, Smart Love" podcast: https://joekort.com/podcast/
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas chats with Blind Spots producer Andy Isham about how the HBO series "Succession" demonstrates intergenerational trauma.
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas talks to Derek Bylsma, Executive Director at Millennium Counseling Center, about issues that come up when working with athletes in recovery.
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/
Derek Bylsma, Executive Director, Millennium Counseling Center: https://millenniumhope.com
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas talks to Mike Thalasinos about providing psychotherapy for children, adolescents and families.
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/
Michael Thalasinos, MS, LMFT: https://www.psychiatry.wisc.edu/staff/thalasinos-ms-lmft-michael/
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Dr. Chantelle Thomas talks to colleagues about how to address trauma in treatment.
Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/
Pam Peckham, APSW, CSAT, SAC, ASSISTANT CLINICAL DIRECTOR, The Manor
Peggy Nies Scargall,MSW, LCSW, SAC, PRIMARY THERAPIST, The Manor
Victoria Ariens, LPC, CSAC, ICS, NCC, PRIMARY THERAPIST, The Manor
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