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What We Covered00:55 – Ed, Meranda and Brian welcome today’s guest, Mike Carroll, who speaks to his background in microbiology and product development 04:28 – Mike talks about his involvement in the Parenteral Drug Association (PDA) 07:51 – Lessons Mike has learned throughout his career and expounds on the relevance of PDA technical reports 15:03 – The evolution of regulatory approvals in the pharmaceutical industry 17:34 – Mike describes the influence of the PDA today, given the pandemic 20:18 – Mike explains a typical day working in microbiology and quality control and assurance23:11 – The pressure of working in pharmaceutical drug development and final comments from Mike Tweetable Quotes
“The PDA was kind of the bridge. It’s the Parenteral Drug Association – its focus is sterile injectable product. But it’s into all kinds of different things.”
“The biggest things that are most frequently used in my case are the media fill, as Brian mentioned, and environmental monitoring.”
“When you cite regulations from Europe, it used to be you would pull the British because they were gonna be the standard. If you could pass Brit, you could worry about anybody else at all; you were fine.”
“It’s an entire system that you’re trying to get where every little thing that fits into the process has been qualified and can be depended on. From the raw materials coming in the door to the viles, to the stoppers, to the machinery, the environment, the filters, the air quality and differentials – all of that stuff fitting together.”
“With drug development, you’re not having a life depend on you. You’re having tens of thousands of lives depend on you.”
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What We Covered00:54 – Ed, Meranda and Brian welcome a special panel of guests to break down today’s topic: Quality Management Systems (QMS) Explained! 07:53 – The panel expounds on the timing necessary for QMS and what role the quality manual plays 13:06 – The panel explains the Code of Federal Regulations (CFRs) 17:30 – The panel defines Phase Appropriate as it pertains to QMS23:12 – Identifying which guiding documents to follow 27:29 – The value in having an experience quality professional 31:54 – Why a quality agreement is necessary 35:32 – The panel provides final words of wisdom on Quality Systems Management Tweetable Quotes
“Quality System Management provides an infrastructure for a company to ensure the quality of your drug product with patient safety in mind as its primary function.”
“It helps determine and define management’s commitment to quality. Because if you don’t have senior management commitment, all could be lost.”
“To begin at the beginning, when you set up your QMS, you need to start with the procedures and processes that will reduce risk and help you prepare for your submission in the long run. That would come through managing your documents.”
“Guidance documents are just an opinion. And they actually say that in the documents. So, you kinda try to do a combination of everything.”
“The biggest thing is that when you have somebody who’s experienced and they’ve been through various things like FDA audits or have worked with a very small company versus a very large company, they can differentiate what you really need right now.”
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What We Covered00:52 – Ed, Meranda and Brian welcome back Jim Mencel who shares his extensive experience with process validation07:46 – The importance of Proven Acceptable Range (PAR) and Critical Process Parameter Program (CPP) 11:14 – The evolution of the batch documentation and the value of critical parameter studies 18:07 – Registration laws and gathering necessary stability data 20:49 – How validation material can be used for launch 24:15 – Jim speaks to the importance of writing a Protocol and having a quality supplier team 32:34 – Jim discusses timing when moving towards validation 38:02 – Jim reinforces the notion that communication is key when it comes to process validation 40:42 – Final recommendations Jim would give regarding process validation Tweetable Quotes
“Validation’s very formal. Validation really, in a stage analogy, is Opening Night. This is where the critics are all present, everybody’s breathing on you, you’re gonna be in the headlines the next day and everything needs to go right. So, when you think about it in that context, the validation batches are very visible to regulatory authorities.”
“Your batch record really is a document that’s going to evolve. And if you look at the batch record for even the same step of a process, what that’s going to look like when you’re in the early phases of clinical development is different from what it’s going to look like towards the end. It’s going to be much more refined.”
“There is a point where the process is the process. And as inefficient as it may be, it’s what you have.”
“Yes, your validation batches certainly count as launch stock as long as they pass all specs.”
“When you go into validation, you’ve gotta have your suppliers identified. And quality plays a huge role in assessing your suppliers”
“What it all comes down to is that preparing for the validation is something that you should be thinking about as you’re making your later clinical batches, your Phase 2 batches especially.”
“When you’re in Phase Three it’s not a place to be penny-pinching. The old saying is, ‘you drive for show, you put for dough.’ When you’re validating, you’re putting for dough.”
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What We Covered00:51 – Ed, Meranda and Brian introduce today’s guest, Shelli Connelly, who discusses her background and speaks to some of the elements of filter validation 05:41 – Shelli talks about the process of selecting a filter and why not all filters are the same09:03 – The evolution and importance of sizing filters 11:26 – Shelli speaks to the shift to single-use disposable filters 13:05 – Qualifying a filter before validation 16:51 – Shelli explains the Bubble Point test 18:53 – Shelli expounds on everything that goes into filter validation22:57 – How to use filters in a media simulation challenge 25:07 – Shelli’s philosophy on what to include in your filter validation 28:28 – Final recommendations Shelli would give regarding filter validation Tweetable Quotes
“I highly recommend reaching out to the filter vendors. They’re your best support, especially with this process.”
“Most people when you start with a drug process you’re looking less than a hundred liters, knowing that your commercial back size could actually be 1500 liters. And then the question comes down to are you doing redundant filtration, are you utilizing two filters, are you utilizing one? To understand your product, I think the filter vendor can definitely still help with that.”
“Normally if you’re utilizing a sterilizing filter, you definitely have to run it through some type of sterilization process.”
“A Bubble Point test is related to the micron-size of your filter, meaning if you have a 0.2 or a 0.45, those bubble points are gonna be different.”
“I think utilizing your filter validation in conjunction with your media fill program – whatever that may be – they have to be synced and in alignment.”
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What We Covered00:51 – Meranda and Ed discuss the Regulatory Odd Couple blog series and constructing the CTD Module 3 11:54 – Ed explains the importance of building the Quality Overall Summary (QOS) and the different starting points for drug process development 19:45 – Ed and Meranda talk about characterization, the process of manufacturing drug substances/products and the importance of excipients 37:44 – Ed expounds on the analytical aspect of API and regulatory drug development 46:55 – Ed and Meranda share their thoughts on the process of packaging drug substances 49:09 – Ed and Meranda discuss the role that stability plays in development methods 53:42 – P2 Pharmaceutical Development Tweetable Quotes
“If anyone’s listening and not familiar with the drug development process, the one area that’s most important is the FDA guidance.”
“Characterization is, in my mind, one of the fundamentals of a product and a process and a program. If you don’t know what you’re dealing with to start, it’s hard to catalog it, make it consistently and answer questions about it.”
“This is probably, in some folks’ minds, the most important. It’s the manufacturing of the drug substance and the drug product. If you don’t have a process, you don’t have a product.”
“There are a few caveats to excipients. One of the things you’ll want to recognize and a question that might come up is ‘are they of human or animal origin?’ And the other big thing is ‘are they novel?’”
“Any changes to anything in the program – process-wise or control-wise – late in the game could be a problem because you’re gonna have to generate additional data. There’s an unknown there. What does that change mean?”
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What We Covered00:54 – Meranda and Brian flip the script by introducing fellow host, Ed Narke as today’s guest01:56 – Ed speaks to his extensive background in CMC and the importance he places on building relationships based on trust11:06 – Ed expounds on his role at DSI and the impact he, Brian, Meranda and the entire DSI team are having on the CMC industry17:11 – Ed talks about his personal background and roots and the value of being adaptable and the impact COVID-19 has had on his business21:36 – Ed thanks some of the many mentors and friends who have assisted him throughout his career26:48 – Ed provides best practices and advice for operating within the CMC industry30:55 – How Ed strives to build trust in relationships37:27 – Ed shares some of his thoughts on the keys to his success40:32 – Ed answers a listener question about microbiome-based products43:31 – The value of developing powerful, positive routines45:46 – Understanding the urgency of self-improvementTweetable Quotes
“I look back on my career and I kind of made a few big mistakes. For example, I went into the office of the Vice President at this company to resign. I was a kid and I was just upset about certain stupid little things. And, when I walked in there, instead of leaving the job, I made a connection with him as another lifelong mentor.”
“Comparing INDs, NDAs, BLAs, I’ve always had this fascination with putting stuff together into a story.”
“I hope I look back in fourteen years and say, ‘These are the best days of my life.’”
“One of the things I have to remind myself every day is that life really hasn’t changed, I have.”
“Everything I learned that is valuable and dicey and on the edge I learned from Dan [Torok].”
“My goal, hopefully, is to grow CMC Live, make it more interactive and maybe have a live audience with questions.”
“To truly build trust, I learned it’s better for my colleagues to get to know me as a person.”
“Two things control the way we operate and who we are: our brains and our gut.”
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What We Covered00:55 – Ed, Brian and Meranda welcome to the show Paul Long who shares his well-rounded background as a project management consultant and speaks to some of the benefits and challenges of virtual project management17:09 – How Paul manages working with clients virtually19:08 – Tools Paul integrates in his project management process21:17 – Paul provides examples of how project management fits into drug development24:52 – Paul shares some project management tools that he utilizes, including the Gantt Chart29:35 – Paul makes a final case as to why project management is important33:41 – Paul differentiates between a project coordinator and a project manager34:28 – Ed, Brian and Meranda thank Paul for joining the showTweetable Quotes
“We’re fairly comfortable with the virtual environment that allows us to be flexible in who we staff. That’s a plus. It allows us to be flexible in our time when there is a global project. That flexibility has always been there at DSI.”
“It’s similar to managing the communication prior to the COVID environment. You have to establish how the person wishes to communicate, what level they wish to communicate on. So, when I meet a client, I ask them these questions directly. ‘Are you comfortable with this kind of communication? Do you want a weekly update? What’s the cadence for meetings?’”
“I have to integrate our team and the client’s needs into a common goal and make sure we’re meeting that.”
“The challenges haven’t changed with COVID, but our work environment has.”
“Again it comes down to communication, transparency and open discussion. And that’s one of the things I try to drive as a project manager.”
“Keeping the communication up avoids risk. We don’t want surprises, unless they’re good.”
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What We Covered00:43 – Ed, Brian and Meranda introduce today’s 2020 Year-In-Review show and look back on learnings from Jim Mencel, Dave Adams and Daniel Torok10:11 – Ed, Brian and Meranda reflect back on their conversations with Rick Offerman, Les Mintzmyer and Dave Blasingame19:06 – Ed, Brian and Meranda talk about a recent panel discussion they held with other CMC experts21:00 – Ed, Brian and Meranda recap episodes featuring Kyriakos Michailaros, Bettina Kaplan and Colman Byrne31:06 – Ed, Brian and Meranda highlight a very special external guest, Hedley Rees who spoke with them about how to create a value chain37:39 – Ed, Brian and Meranda speak to their discussions with Judy Magruder and Catherine Bernard43:05 – Ed, Brian and Meranda wrap up this 2020 Year-In-Review, thank the listeners for their support in 2020 and look forward to what 2021 has in storeTweetable Quotes
“One of the things that resonated with me on that particular podcast was how Dave [Adams] took a step back and said, ‘You really can’t underestimate the importance of the skilled technicians that actually run the process.’”
“The reality is they still need that person-in-plant. So, I think what Dan [Torok] brings to the table is what a lot of clients look for. Some clients don’t have that infrastructure and they blindly trust the CMO – and sometimes not always to the right result.”
“I think people are now realizing that they do need to take a lot of different factors into consideration when selecting their CMO and they might need that assistance from experts like us.”
“If you know that you have properly identified and characterized the development history of your product, and its pitfalls, and its areas of concern – and you’ve explored those – it really makes for a much more robust filing that stands up to scrutiny.”
“We had a special external guest, Hedley Rees, who talked a bit about supply chain and how to create a value chain.”
“Our job as regulatory reviewers, strategists, authors, CMC experts, is to decipher what the data is saying.”
“I think that’s the experience that Judy brought to bear is that holistic approach to a client’s program.”
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What We Covered01:03 – Ed, Brian and Meranda welcome to the show a panel of drug substance services experts, Daniel Torok, Dave Adams, Jim Mencel and David Blasingame who speak to trends they’ve observed in the landscape of API manufacturing 07:04 – The panel speaks to the types of drug manufacturing requests they’ve been seeing 14:42 – The panel expresses their shared concerns over the diminishing number of API manufacturing professionals in the United States 23:53 – The panel provides their thoughts on the immediate future of API manufacturing 30:04 – The panel discusses the current state of regulation 33:15 – Ed, Brian and Meranda thank the panel for joining the showTweetable Quotes
“We’re certainly seeing a very rapid change in the API/CMO world. I think if you went out with an RFP maybe two years ago and you threw this RFP out to eight vendors, you’d have eight proposals back fairly rapidly.”
“I don’t know how many of you guys have been involved in plant build outs and plant qualifications. It is not a slam dunk, especially when you’re trying to retrofit an existing site.”
“The number of people in the U.S. who have manufacturing backgrounds in small molecules is just small and diminishing rapidly because all the jobs have been offshored.”
“Good operators are worth their weight in gold.”
“I think what has to happen [in the future of API manufacturing in the U.S.] is that the industry has to know that the demand is there.”
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What We Covered00:54 – Ed, Brian and Meranda welcome to the show Amber Sheriff who speaks to her background as a regulatory affairs specialist in the pharmaceutical industry and the three procedures for obtaining market authorization in the European Union06:15 – What CMC drug development looks like in the EU and how it differs from the United States11:24 – Amber breaks down specifics of the centralized filing procedure in the EU15:49 – Amber provides insights on the impact of Brexit on CMC filing in the EU18:40 – Benefits and advantages of a decentralized or mutual recognition procedure23:28 – Amber speculates on the future of drug regulation, including collaborations between the FDA and the EU27:57 – Finals thoughts from Amber31:28 – Ed, Brian and Meranda thank Amber for joining the showTweetable Quotes
“In principle, there are three procedures for obtaining market authorization in EU. One is the mutual recognition procedure. The second one is the decentralized. And then the third one is the centralized procedure.”
“If you get an approval in Europe, there are testings that you have to do for EU.”
“Effective planning is the key. Because then basically you know when you’re going to get approval and you’ll know when you will be able to market.”
“So, what is happening now, people who have filed in the UK can no longer sell their products in EU because UK walked away from the European Union. So now they are setting up their own procedures because, by the end of this year, they will be fully separated from the European Union.”
“The mutual recognition that is between the FDA and EU, I see that as becoming more and more the norm.”
“Once you get the approval [in the EU], you get it in all twenty-seven countries, including Norway, Iceland and I think Lithuania.”
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What We Covered00:55 – Ed, Brian and Meranda welcome to the show David Blasingame who speaks to his extensive background as a process chemist as well as the advantages and disadvantages of manufacturing drugs in China 10:20 – The importance of person in-plant activity and the White Coat Effect 11:29 – David speaks to the issues he’s experienced with employee turnover 17:11 – Facts and myths about America’s dependence on medicine from China, overcoming communications issues and the process of dealing with CMOs 23:41 – David talks about the benefits of staying with the same drug substance manufacturer and expounds on the reasons why not every program is a fit for China 31:55 – Ed, Brian and Meranda thank David for joining the show Tweetable Quotes
“One of the key activities for any oversight of manufacturing and any CMO is person in-plant activities.”
“You better make sure you have an easy to manage process…easily transferable, and you really do have to budget to have a presence on that floor. All these things have to be factored into your decision to move into China.”
“If you’re looking for a commercial process that you might be able to take anywhere, I’m not necessarily sure that [China] is the place that you would go.”
“We found it actually paid for itself in having somebody on staff who can speak the language because the communication style and the communication was very different than when we didn’t have one.”
“I think if you’re planning on doing manufacturing in China, plan on being hands on.”
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What We Covered01:12 – Introducing a very spooky Halloween Special where Ed, Brian, Meranda and the rest of the DSI Team share stories of time spent in creepy labs and other scary situations21:58 – Paul tells a story of working the graveyard shift at a hospital25:06 – Valerie and Meranda share their own spooky experiences working in pharma35:01 – An Excel Horror Story36:06 – Ed shares a scary email story followed by Dave’s liquid ammonia experience48:55 – Ed, Brian and Meranda thank everyone for joining the show and sharing their storiesTweetable Quotes
“I’ve never tasted cherries as delicious as the ones that were being fed and rooted from the formaldehyde and sulfuric acid that was being pumped into the soil.”
“You know it’s a bad day when the local news crew is sitting in the lobby when you walk in.”
“I would have to go down and walk – this is in the middle of the night, no one around – walk down to the basement, past the morgue, through the boiler room, into this dark, dank, dusty place with like rats and dig through boxes for the records.”
“I’ve scared myself. I was working late one night and we had liquid oxygen on site and every once in a while you’d get a hiss or a clank or something weird. And the warehouse was making an awful lot of noise one night so I was like, ‘Ok, I’m just gonna go home.’”
“In the days before corporations had things like change control, and quality groups on site and so forth, Smith-Kline and others were organized as just a bunch of chemical operators. And that was it. There was no other functions on site.”
“Dave told a story about liquid ammonia and some scary situation there.”
“I’ve actually been at a place where we did heavy duty analysis on bungie cords.”
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What We Covered01:19 – Ed, Brian and Meranda welcome to the show Dr. Rick Offerman who speaks to his experience as a process chemist, the drug development process and what goes into selecting a solvent 15:41 – The importance of selecting the right CMO partner 19:05 – Questions that must be asked in the beginning of the drug manufacturing process 23:14 – Dr. Rick breaks down best practices in cost-control 30:16 – The importance of the project timeline 40:13 – Dr. Rick takes a moment to recognize those who greatly influenced his career46:23 – Ed, Brian and Meranda thank Dr. Rick for joining the show Tweetable Quotes
“A lot of CMOs are now going to a ‘one-stop shop’ type model. So basically they’ll say, ‘Yeah we’ll take you all the way from gram quantities right through commercial. We can do your API and your drug substance.’ But there’s still a lot of smaller shops out there that can do small scale pre-clinical work.”
“Cost is always a factor [in selecting a solvent] but it’s not the major one.”
“You’re gotta have an integrated approach all the way through the system to understand the API that you’re producing, the impurity profile, the crystal morphology, the polymorphs, that sort of thing.”
“Realistically, when you look at the cost of an API as a percentage of a drug product, it’s usually fairly low.”
“If the analytical people aren’t up and ready to go, then when the chemists start running stuff in the hoods, how do they analyze it? We don’t have methods, so we’re kinda going on a wing and a prayer.”
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What We Covered01:16 – Ed, Brian and Meranda take a deep dive into analyzing CMC strategy and submissions11:26 – Ed, Brian and Meranda discuss resources required for compiling CMC dossiers and the importance of understanding roles and responsibilities within this process20:09 – Essential aspects of putting together an effective authoring team25:25 – Brian speaks to the importance of respecting the experience of those that have been working on projects from the jump28:28 – Ed, Brian and Meranda discuss what sponsors should know about CMC regulations to prepare for a marketing applicationTweetable Quotes
“I think the experience level of that regulatory point person during the submission is really critical.”
“Oftentimes we find that clients are also looking for a submission to be a learning opportunity for their own people.”
“When you’re preparing to undertake this preparation to write this, the first and probably the most critical step is to engage across disciplinary teams.”
“One of the things that I think is often a recipe for anxiety and stress is not understanding roles and responsibilities.”
“One of the areas that’s really essential when you’re putting together your authoring team is to have somebody at the client that truly understands where the skeletons are.”
“Over the years we’ve worked to build in efficiencies that take a lot of the guess work out of compiling the submissions.”
“I think respecting the experience of the people that brought the project to this point is critical.”
“Planning is probably a better option than chance.”
“Typically what I would do if I was moving on from an IND and starting to develop an NDA, I would start from ground zero, making sure I at least have an outline chart with all of the ECTB sections outlined in that manner.”
“I think it’s important to note that the cost of doing an incomplete filing is monumental.”
“Regulatory authorities are part of the team. They’re your friends. Seek advice, ask for their advice and also educate them.”
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What We Covered00:59 – Hedley Rees joins the show to share his background in the pharmaceutical industry, his thoughts on Big Pharma and issues he’s observed with medicine coming to market09:43 – Hedley speaks to the importance of designing supply chains strategically and why your supply chain is actually your value chain17:51 – Hedley discusses outsourcing in the pharmaceutical industry24:07 – Hedley provides his thoughts on Quality by Design (QBD), including changes that must be made to the process39:22 – Hedley shares some of his upcoming projects42:27 – Ed, Brian and Meranda thank Hedley for joining the showTweetable Quotes
“If they all beat together at the same time, instead of taking sixteen years for penicillin to come to market it would take maybe four years.”
“The main point between strategic supply team management is you actually engage with the end user of your product the same way as Apple would or any company who really builds value into their products.”
“The value that you add – the money you bring in – has got to be less than the cost that you incur in the business and then you obviously make a profit grow.”
“In terms of procurement, the industry has outsourced this critical asset.”
“The problem with pharma is that there is no competition because once you’ve got a patented molecule approved, the most that’s gonna happen is you get an oligopoly where two or three companies make blockbuster revenue.”
“The body is the most complex, connected thing in the world.”
“The other thing that people have noticed is that you can develop a drug now without being a pharma company.”
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What We Covered00:53 – Kyriakos Michailaros joins the show to share his background and expertise in the subject matter of drug product services 02:59 – Kyriakos shares his thoughts on appropriate timing for a development report, the validation process and the importance of having your development report be a living document 08:53 – Addressing risks and concerns as it pertains to drug development programs and what Kyriakos looks for in a comprehensive development report 14:56 – Kyriakos speaks to the standards he looks for in development programs when determining dosage form and the value of efficient documentation21:49 – The importance Kyriakos places on stability data and proper documentation 30:03 – Kyriakos explains tablet friability, pan coating, the Ishikawa fishbone diagram and elaborates on the strangest dosage form he’s ever come across40:02 – Ed, Brian and Meranda thank Kyriakos for joining the show Tweetable Quotes
“I think it’s never too early. Ideally you want to have the story of the development program pretty much summarized by the time you’re making an NDA submission.”
“A good development program is gonna do risk assessments at certain points along the way and assess what are the major concerns associated with developing this drug product.”
“Particles tend to de-mix and segregate based on size.”
“Some reviewers, it seems, can be primarily box checking, take less of a holistic risk based approach, which has been the trend for some time now. I try to focus on what is actually important for this particular product and has that been explored appropriately.”
“If you’re not gonna have a working development report, what you need to have is a working document repository with a file structure that can be easily followed so that you can go back and know what you have and piece together a report or a submission from that.”
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What We Covered00:46 – Daniel Torok joins the show to share his experience as a process chemist and collaborating with CMOs in the pharmaceutical industry 07:54 – Daniel speaks to the importance of building trust in order to become an effective in-plant person 19:59 – Daniel details best practices he utilizes for site visits 24:15 – The information exchanged in a well-rounded site wrap up report 28:47 – Daniel shares some facts, myths and stories about CMOs 37:47 – Ed, Brian and Meranda thank Daniel for joining the show Tweetable Quotes
“The White Coat Effect is real. Even in a good facility it’s absolutely real. When operators find out the client is coming they behave very differently and the level of detail is much more.”
“Probably the most touching was I spent a lot of time on an API facility on the East Coast and, on the last day, their process chemist said, ‘I want to thank you. You’re the first person in plant who’s ever actually helped me.”
“I warn them, ‘I’m gonna be there when you don’t really want me there.’”
“Just because you walk out the door of the plant and you go to the airport and get on the plane, it [the process] shouldn’t be done or finished for us.”
“I think one of the myths people have is that a CMO absolutely knows their equipment all the time and the process is going to be run the same every single time.”
“It changes, it’s going to be fluid in this industry. Things happen. Things go wrong.”
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What We Covered00:44 – Ed, Brian and Meranda join the show to share their experiences in all phases of the pharmaceutical development industry5:12 – The process of filing an Investigational New Drug (IND) and a New Drug Application (NDA) 18:54 – What it means to have ‘rest-of-world awareness’ as you author an NDA 22:37 – Ed, Brian and Meranda speak to the importance of storyboards and telling a story from the right perspective 28:55 – Ed, Brian and Meranda break down the detailed development process, including the work that Design Space InPharmatics does 39:28 – The document review process, timelines for submissions and tracking projects 49:00 – Ed, Brian and Meranda conclude the podcast and thank the audience for listening Tweetable Quotes
“Filing an IND is important to get a trial started. And folks start clinical trials for a variety of reasons.” (05:43) (Ed)
“Out of academia we see a lot of this very little information filed into an IND, and then very little information generated up to the point where you get to a Phase Two or Three where you see efficacy data and then suddenly you have to file an NDA.”
“It’s hard to become an expert. There’s no real training. I think a lot of it is just experience. It’s going into meetings with FDA when you don’t have all the data.”
“Make sure it looks good, because it does reflect on the actual data and content in there, just like anything in life.”
“As the author goes through the process with the client, there’s still another piece. And that’s the publishing group.”
“One way to alleviate that [stress] is to be able to give an update on any given subject or any given section at any given time.”
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What We Covered01:15 – Dave Adams joins the show to discuss his experience with active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs) and provides examples of how he’s solved problems with APIs in the past09:41 – What Dave looks for in a comprehensive, well thought out development program and how he works and interacts with process engineers15:02 – Dave provides his thoughts on sourcing the highest quality raw materials22:53 – Dave discusses the pilot scale example and the critical role of development32:30 – Dave talks about the importance of presenting a CMO with a well-characterized process and establishing solid relationships with your client and CMO38:26 – Dave explains what tech transfer is and provides suggestions for how CMO’s can ensure they are receiving high quality raw materials42:46 – Dave speaks to the importance of tech transfer procedures and the role of process champions47:58 – Ed, Brian and Meranda thank Dave for joining the showTweetable Quotes
“Manufacturing of APIs was very much a technical job, not a scientific process.”
“In production, time is money. The longer it takes to run the process, the more it’s going to cost your company or the more that a CMO is going to charge you to manufacture your product.”
“You need to very carefully scout your suppliers and make good agreements with what it is they’re going to be supplying to you.”
“So yes, you need to investigate every ramification of development. And some of them might lead to surprises – you see in new impurities or new emulsion – and so you’re going to have more development.”
“It helps to have somebody on your side who understands production and knows when you’re being taken advantage of and even upfront when you’re making your contracts.”
“It is very important to have one process owner – process champion – one person who represents the process.”
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What We Covered01:32 – Les Mintzmyer joins the show to discuss his background in biologics manufacturing, speak to CMO selection, and break down the RFP process 08:14 – Les speaks to the criteria he uses to identify the best CMO to work with and the importance of timely correspondence 18:59 – Lessons Les has gleaned from the RFP process throughout the years 24:34 – Challenges of communicating with foreign CMOs, including language and cultural barriers 32:15 – Les provides a brief overview of his experience in bio-pharmaceutical manufacturing 34:05 – Capacity and relationships in the CMO selection process 40:28 – Advice Les would give to those looking to potentially shift to a new CMO and why you should never place too much emphasis on a ‘name brand’ 43:35 – Ed, Brian and Meranda thank Les for joining the show Tweetable Quotes
“If you put the effort into getting a very detailed and exact request for proposal written, then the CDMO that is reviewing the request can determine if they have the resources to actually accomplish the task that you’re looking for.”
“The nice thing about having a good network is that you can certainly weed out the ones that you don’t want to be involved.”
“Every company wants everything yesterday.”
“Tell you what, the money they’ll spend on consultants early on is a drop in the bucket compared to change orders and change of scope and misunderstandings that occur later on.”
“You can tell a lot about an organization if they’ll let you take a look at their regulatory history, for instance, and look at their maintenance history. Those are two really key things.”
“Most of the CMOs, they’re not working at one hundred percent capacity. If they can get seventy or eighty [percent] they’re pretty happy.”
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