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Jen and New York Times best-selling author, Phaedra Patrick, discuss “The Little Italian Hotel” and how finding a way through heartache can look wildly different from one person to the next.
Phaedra was a self-taught writer who almost gave up on her dream before she had a breakthrough with her runaway hit, “The Curious Charms of Arthur Pepper.” In her darkest moments she always reminds herself, “When I don’t feel confident, I just tell myself that I can always feel determined instead.” With that boldness in mind, she writes novels to make people feel good about themselves and want to connect with others.
Particularly compelling moments between Jen and Phaedra include:
Phaedra’s incredible story of teaching herself to write and dealing with rejection in the beginning of her career
The author's insights on the challenges women face on putting themselves first
Phaedra’s reasoning on the open ending of the book
Why connecting with others in warm and gentle spaces can lead to healing
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“When I don't feel confident, I just tell myself that I can always feel determined instead.” - Phaedra Patrick
Resources and Books Mentioned in This Episode:
The Little Italian Hotel by Phaedra Patrick - https://bit.ly/4fJ92fJ
The Year of What If by Phaedra Patrick - https://bit.ly/4drmseX
Rise and Shine, Benedict Stone by Phaedra Patrick - https://bit.ly/3X3ugOr
The Curious Charms Of Arthur Pepper by Phaedra Patrick - https://bit.ly/3WIQWSw
Garden Spells by Sarah Addison Allen - https://bit.ly/3YKUsyA
The Authenticity Project by Clare Pooley - https://bit.ly/4fC6XT7
The Love of My After Life by Kirsty Greenwood - https://bit.ly/46SffSQ
Phaedra’s Writing Tips - https://www.phaedra-patrick.com/writing-tips
Guest’s Links:
Phaedra’s Website - https://www.phaedra-patrick.com/
Phaedra’s Instagram - http://instagram.com/phaedrapatrick
Phaedra’s Twitter - http://twitter.com/phaedrapatrick
Phaedra’s Facebook - http://facebook.com/phaedrapatrick
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
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Have you ever met someone whoâs excited about menopause? It might seem like a rare breed, but isnât it time we reconsider our relationship with aging? While society often tells us that 50 should look like 30, the reality is that growing older is a badge of honorâeven if it comes with its own set of quirks. Menopause, instead of being a dreaded foe, is more like an old friend that invites us to a new chapter filled with wisdom, laughter, and some hilariously unpredictable moments. Rather than shying away from this natural transition, Cheryl Bridges Johns encourages us to lean into it, celebrating the changes and uncovering the vibrant selves weâve always been. Through her insightful book, âSeven Transforming Gifts of Menopause,â she illuminates the idea that this phase is an opportunity for rediscoveryâlike uncovering a hidden treasure chest on a stormy day. As we navigate these waters together, it's easier to see that aging is not the end; itâs merely the beginning of a bravely authentic and empowered life. PLUS an all new episode intro from Amy and Jen who get into a Rant & Rave segment about the joys of permimenopause and menopause that you wonât want to miss.* * *Thought-Provoking Quotes:âWomen are allowed to age but we are not allowed to mature.â - Cheryl Bridges JohnsâWe're the daughters of the Silent Generation but our daughters don't have to be.â - Cheryl Bridges JohnsâMenopause is a gift to revisit. What did you let go, what did you repress? The uncovering of menopause is like a storm that comes in and you realize thereâs a ship where you couldnât see it before. It was hidden and the storm became a clearing, an uncovering.â - Cheryl Bridges JohnsResources Mentioned in This Episode:The Silent Passage - Gail Sheehy - https://bit.ly/4dTE1Ve How to Survive a Shipwreck: Help Is on the Way and Love is Already Here - Jonathan Martin - https://bit.ly/4gaB5oL The Wisdom of Menopause: Creating Physical and Emotional Health During Change - Christiane Northrup - https://bit.ly/3TifroB Jenâs Blog - Whatâs Saving My Life Right Now: Perimenopause Edition - https://shop.jenhatmaker.com/pages/perimenopause-survival-guideGuestâs Links:Cheryl's Website - https://cherylbjohns.com Cheryl's Twitter - https://twitter.com/cb_johns Connect with Jen!Jenâs website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jenâs Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJenâs Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jenâs Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJenâs YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. Four Eyes Media: https://www.iiiimedia.com/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Itâs election season, and itâs been an interesting ride to this cycleâs moment of truth! Jen and Amy dive deep into the heart of the upcoming 2024 election with the insightful women from Pantsuit PoliticsâSarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers. The conversation centers around the distinct dynamics shaping this election, along with insight as to why itâs vastly different from 2016; sparking a thought-provoking dialogue about the evolving political landscape. With Vice President Kamala Harris potentially on the brink of breaking barriers as our first female president, the discussion also touches on the hopes and challenges ahead. Sarah and Beth were participants at the Democratic National Convention in August, and they share what that experience was like, and how it informed their views of the current political terrain. As we look to a potentially historic outcome, Beth and Sarah share practical ways we can engage in the process and build community as we navigate this pivotal moment together.You also wonât want to miss a new GenXcellence segment where Jen and Amy reminisce about their first voting experiences. * * *Thought-Provoking Quotes:âHumans rising to the moment; that just never gets old to me. That's what politics can really be--including politicians who I know get a really bad rap. But watching them come into a moment they couldn't have expected, watching history show up on their doorsteps and go, all right, let's do it. I think it's just been so exhilaratingâ. - Sarah Stewart HollandâI could talk all day about all the things that Vice President Harris has done that no one talks about. I have been on the train for years that Biden needed to be a one term president, and that she was an excellent successor to him. And I think it's played out in a really strange way that presents some challenges, but also some opportunities for her. I am thrilled that America is finally getting to have a real introduction to her.â - Beth SilversâGood governance needs people advocating for really different approaches to legislation, to policy, to issues, to messaging.â - Beth SilversResources Mentioned in This Episode:Project 2025 - https://bit.ly/3XqR2jtNew York Times Article about Jelly Roll - https://bit.ly/3MrFrKvI Think Yourâre Wrong (But I'm Listening) by Sarah Stewart Holland & Beth Silvers - https://www.amazon.com/Think-Youre-Wrong-Listening-Conversations/dp/1400208416Now What? By Sarah Stewart Holland & Beth Silvers - https://bit.ly/4cOXV2bGuestâs Links:Pantsuit Politics Website - https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/Pantsuit Politics Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/pantsuitpolitics/Pantsuit Politics Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/pantsuitpolitics/Pantsuit Politics Twitter - https://bit.ly/3Xsx32HPantsuit Politics Substack - https://substack.com/@pantsuitpoliticsConnect with Jen!Jenâs website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jenâs Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJenâs Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jenâs Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJenâs YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. Four Eyes Media: https://www.iiiimedia.com/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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It’s a brand new season of the show and we are thrilled to have Amy Hardin, Jen’s longtime friend, join us on the podcast for a whole new adventure in laughing at ourselves and learning from our incredible guests.
The Lazy Genius herself, Kendra Adachi, joins Jen and Amy today to challenge our culture's obsession with productivity and time management. Kendra offers a revolutionary perspective: the problem isn't you — it's the capitalistic, patriarchal culture we've all been raised in. Kendra unpacks why traditional productivity advice often fails women and shares a more compassionate approach for managing busy lives.
Whether you're drowning in laundry, juggling work and family, or simply craving a kinder way to approach your days, this conversation will leave you feeling seen, encouraged, and equipped with practical strategies.
Discover how to:
Shift your mindset from pursuing 'greatness' to embracing contentment
Take small, sustainable steps instead of attempting drastic overhauls
Adapt your systems to fit your unique life and needs
Find freedom from rigid to-do lists and unrealistic expectations
Don't miss Kendra's sneak peek into her upcoming book 'The Plan' - it just might change your life!
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
"I thought I just had to try harder or give up. And those are not the only two options, everybody. There's a wide middle between ‘try hard’ and ‘give up.’ And so that's when I pivoted my online writing to this space to the Lazy Genius Ecosystem, as you called it, which is, 'let's be a genius about the things that matter and lazy about the things that don't. And everyone gets to choose what those things are.'" - Kendra Adachi
"I think that we forget that the paradigm that we all live under in a Western, capitalistic, patriarchal society is not one that supports what I'm talking about in many ways. And so, it's hard to do. It's very, very hard because the waters that we live in really do not support this kind of idea. So the problem is not you is what I'm saying. The problem is not you." - Kendra Adachi
"Your to-do list is not the boss of you. It's a tool." - Kendra Adachi
“93% of time management productivity books are written by men.” - Kendra Adachi
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Feed These People by Jen Hatmaker - https://shop.jenhatmaker.com/products/ftp-book
The Lazy Genius Podcast - https://bit.ly/4drs4WB
The Lazy Genius Way - https://www.thelazygeniuscollective.com/way
For the Love Podcast ft. Kendra Adachi - https://bit.ly/3WUZdD7
The Plan by Kendra Adachi - https://www.thelazygeniuscollective.com/theplan
For the Love Podcast ft. Emily P. Freeman - https://bit.ly/4cGSRNr
Guest’s Links
Website - https://www.thelazygeniuscollective.com/
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thelazygenius/
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/groups/2548803345149849
Twitter - https://twitter.com/lazykendra
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy.
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It’s an exciting time here at the For the Love Podcast and we are excited to share a brand new season of the show, now featuring Jen’s longtime friend, Amy Hardin! Amy’s been popping into the show all summer, and we’re thrilled to welcome her with an official seat across from Jen for all our upcoming episodes!
And what better way to get to know Amy and Jen together all over again than to bring on an Enneagram personality typing expert to give the nod to their beautiful partnership.
Ian Cron, author, podcaster and Enneagram expert weighs in on Jen and Amy’s longtime friendship and gives a peek into how he thinks they will mesh as a podcast duo (tip of the hat to any friendships that are a “three” and “six” combo out there!). They also spend a little time talking about the Enneagram types of their partners—highlighting the dynamics in how different types complement (and sometimes clash with) each other.
If you’re not familiar with the Enneagram, you’re going to be fascinated, and if you are, you’ll love hearing Ian’s incredible insight into many of the 9 personality types. PLUS, Ian for the very first time on any podcast, talks about his brand new book “The Fix: How the Twelve Steps Offer a Surprising Path of Transformation for the Well-Adjusted, the Down-and-Out, and Everyone In Between.”
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“What I love about Enneagram sixes is; you are practical, loyal, and very witty—in a wry, wonderful way. Your humor comes out as being very self-deprecating. Then sometimes, when you're on autopilot, you default to a lot of questioning and self-doubting, and sometimes you'll be seen as being skeptical or anxious.” - Ian Morgan Cron
“What determines the health of a relationship has to do with how much self-awareness each of the two people in it have. So two types of people of any Enneagram type or combination can be great with each other to the degree that they're self-aware and they're doing their own personal work.” - Ian Morgan Cron
“I think the friendship exchange between an Enneagram three and a six is really interesting and beautiful. The three’s ambition and drive are tempered by the six’s caution and loyalty.” - Ian Morgan Cron
“People ask me all the time; are there two Enneagram types that really go better together than other types? I'm like--it's all about how self-aware you are. Any two types can do great together to the degree they're doing their work and sharing the journey of self-discovery.” - Ian Morgan Cron
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
For the Love of The Enneagram - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcasts/series-27/
For the Love Episode on Enneagram Fours ft. Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3Aa6oPU
Jen Hatmaker Book Club Podcast Episode ft. Hillary McBride - https://bit.ly/3AvW4lL
For the Love Encore Episode ft. Bessel van Der Kolk - https://bit.ly/3YzyRcg
The Story of You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/46FWbam
The Fix It by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3WzFYyK
The Road Back to You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/4dejnPf
The Last Blockbuster - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8704802/
Find out your Enneagram type here: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/
Typology with Ian Morgan Cron - https://www.typologypodcast.com/
Guest’s Links:
Ian's Website - https://ianmorgancron.com/
Ian's Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/IanMorganCron/
Ian's Twitter - https://twitter.com/ianmorgancron?lang=en
Ian's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianmorgancron
Ian's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ianmorgancron/?hl=en
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1
The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy.
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Jen and her longtime friend, Amy Hardin, return together to introduce this previous interview with Jennifer Garner that was one of For the Love’s top downloaded episodes of all time. Jen and Amy chat about their favorite Jennifer Garner projects and how impressed they are with her activism and philanthropic work.
In the interview itself, Jennifer Garner shares how she navigates life as a mom, an entrepreneur, and an actress. So many of us have followed Jen's career through TV & film, but she takes us back to the early days when she fell in love with theater, doing auditions in New York while she slept on the floor of a friend’s home who offered a place to lay her head. We also find out that her first job was working with Melissa Gilbert (Laura Ingalls of Little House on the Prairie fame) and how that eventually led to working with J.J. Abrams in Felicity, who then cast her in her breakout role as the star of Alias. The two Jens discuss everything from what it’s like to raise kids as they transition from littles to bigs and what eventually drove Jen’s pursuits outside of Hollywood to co-found Once Upon a Farm and become involved with Save the Children.
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“Change is hard. I mean, I have a tendency to, or I did when I was younger, where I leapt into living in New York before I thought about living in New York. And then I leapt into moving to LA, and then had to absorb that, wait a minute, I just left this all. That was a big transition for me, because I didn't realize I had built a community for myself in New York.” - Jennifer Garner
“I hunted down what organization was really doing work in rural America and Save the Children was all over the world. Our whole global goal is to help kids where no one wants to go and where no one's helping them. So we are in Afghanistan, we're always in the middle of the Ebola crisis, we're always in the middle of helping kids as they're leaving Syria. And we're in those refugee camps and we're in disasters, and we are hand in hand with the Red Cross, and just one of the leading organizations helping kids in the whole world. And in the US, the work is so beautiful. And it's almost unknown, because we're in the little tucked away corners.” - Jennifer Garner
“I think food insecurity and poverty in America, it's a little bit invisible, because we want it to be. We choose what we look at. And so, it is, in some ways, easier to look across the globe and see it somewhere else in a country that is so different than ours or with such obvious distinctions. But the food insecurity in America is high, high, high.” - Jen Hatmaker
“You know what I love? I love any community. I just like to be in a community.” - Jennifer Garner
“What is saving my life right now? I mean, I can’t imagine it ever being anything other than girlfriends.” - Jennifer Garner
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Once Upon a Farm - https://onceuponafarmorganics.com/pages/jens-farm
Save the Children - https://bit.ly/4dnOuHM
13 Going on 30 - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337563/
The Last Thing He Told Me - https://bit.ly/4d9wEbK
Love, Simon - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5164432/
Guest’s Links:
Jennifer’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jennifer.garner/?hl=en
Jennifer’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/thejengarner?lang=en
Jennifer’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/JenniferGarner/
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1
The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy.
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Jen and her longtime friend, Amy Hardin, are back together to introduce this interview with Kate Bowler that originally aired as a premium channel episode. They examine the ways a “toxic positivity” mindset and a misguided understanding of “blessings” can harm relationships and culture.
If you’ve ever felt your soul drag to the ground after reading a #blessed post on Instagram, there’s relief for you here. Kate Bowler shows us a gentler way to look at the concept of blessings, so that someone else’s #blessing doesn’t feel like our #fail.
In the interview, Jen and Kate talk about:
A brief history of the prosperity gospel in America and the origins of toxic positivity
The original definition of “blessing” from the Bible
The absurdity of life and how tragedy can feel when watching other people’s happiness
What the point of praying is
Kate tries out being a late night radio DJ and shares a blessing she wrote specifically for our podcast
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“[Toxic positivity] is the overemphasis, the bright siding of truth to the point where you can't be honest. You can't really say what's going on.” - Kate Bowler
“There is frankly almost no relationship between people's lives working out and whether they are fundamentally good and lovable by God among other people, period.” - Kate Bowler
“I was in a waiting room the other day looking over at two people absolutely cracking each other up over an oxygen machine. And I felt the flicker of the tragic comedy of the world, and I was like, ‘Yep, that is a little blessing.’” - Kate Bowler
“Such a weird moment when your life is in tatters and then you just see somebody walking their dog. You're like, ‘What are you doing? How is that happening? Why are you laughing?’” - Jen Hatmaker
“The more we take what we think we know, and then we just rearrange it a bit, it offers us a chance to see something.” - Kate Bowler
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Blessed: A History of the American Prosperity Gospel by Kate Bowler - https://bit.ly/46ynpPX
The Lives We Actually Have, 100 Blessings for Imperfect Days by Kate Bowler - https://bit.ly/4ftQOie
Everything Happens for a Reason and Other Lies I've Loved by Kate Bowler -
https://bit.ly/46DRopS
For the Love episode with Maggie Smith - https://bit.ly/4fwTfR4
Have a Beautiful Terrible Day by Kate Bowler - https://bit.ly/4cdiS6T
Guest’s Links:
Kate’s Website: https://katebowler.com/
Kate’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/katecbowler
Kate’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/katecbowler/
Kate’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/katecbowler
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1
The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy.
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It’s an exciting time here at the For the Love Podcast and we are excited to share a brand new season of the show, now featuring Jen’s longtime friend, Amy Hardin! Amy’s been popping into the show all summer, and we’re thrilled to welcome her with an official seat across from Jen for all our upcoming episodes!
And what better way to get to know Amy and Jen together all over again than to bring on an Enneagram personality typing expert to give the nod to their beautiful partnership.
Ian Cron, author, podcaster and Enneagram expert weighs in on Jen and Amy’s longtime friendship and gives a peek into how he thinks they will mesh as a podcast duo (tip of the hat to any friendships that are a “three” and “six” combo out there!). They also spend a little time talking about the Enneagram types of their partners—highlighting the dynamics in how different types complement (and sometimes clash with) each other.
If you’re not familiar with the Enneagram, you’re going to be fascinated, and if you are, you’ll love hearing Ian’s incredible insight into many of the 9 personality types. PLUS, Ian for the very first time on any podcast, talks about his brand new book “The Fix: How the Twelve Steps Offer a Surprising Path of Transformation for the Well-Adjusted, the Down-and-Out, and Everyone In Between.”
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“What I love about Enneagram sixes is; you are practical, loyal, and very witty—in a wry, wonderful way. Your humor comes out as being very self-deprecating. Then sometimes, when you're on autopilot, you default to a lot of questioning and self-doubting, and sometimes you'll be seen as being skeptical or anxious.” - Ian Morgan Cron
“What determines the health of a relationship has to do with how much self-awareness each of the two people in it have. So two types of people of any Enneagram type or combination can be great with each other to the degree that they're self-aware and they're doing their own personal work.” - Ian Morgan Cron
“I think the friendship exchange between an Enneagram three and a six is really interesting and beautiful. The three’s ambition and drive are tempered by the six’s caution and loyalty.” - Ian Morgan Cron
“People ask me all the time; are there two Enneagram types that really go better together than other types? I'm like--it's all about how self-aware you are. Any two types can do great together to the degree they're doing their work and sharing the journey of self-discovery.” - Ian Morgan Cron
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
For the Love of The Enneagram - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcasts/series-27/
For the Love Episode on Enneagram Fours ft. Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3Aa6oPU
Jen Hatmaker Book Club Podcast Episode ft. Hillary McBride - https://bit.ly/3AvW4lL
For the Love Encore Episode ft. Bessel van Der Kolk - https://bit.ly/3YzyRcg
The Story of You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/46FWbam
The Fix It by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3WzFYyK
The Road Back to You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/4dejnPf
The Last Blockbuster - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8704802/
Find out your Enneagram type here: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/
Typology with Ian Morgan Cron - https://www.typologypodcast.com/
Guest’s Links:
Ian's Website - https://ianmorgancron.com/
Ian's Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/IanMorganCron/
Ian's Twitter - https://twitter.com/ianmorgancron?lang=en
Ian's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianmorgancron
Ian's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ianmorgancron/?hl=en
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1
The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy.
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As part of our summer series of re-airing the best of “For the Love,” we also have Jen’s long time friend, Amy Hardin, joining Jen to introduce this episode that was originally aired on the premium channel. In this new episode, we’ll hear about Jen and Amy’s summer so far and what constitutes guilty pleasure TV binges.
True crime might be considered a guilty pleasure, but if you haven’t done a deep dive into the genre, then this will be an eye opening conversation for you. We’ve got an amazing guest who is here to talk about the true crime podcast phenomenon, and she’s one of the folks that really put it on the map — Ashley Flowers, the host of the wildly popular podcast, Crime Junkies.
Ashley Flowers and her co-host Brit have spent years researching, analyzing, and solving cases. And with over 1 billion downloads, it’s easy to say they are pretty good at what they do. Jen and Ashley get into how Crime Junkies got started, their thoughts on why the true crime genre is so popular and how Ashely’s using the platform to educate as well as entertain.
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“I was looking for something specific, and the way we tell the stories was all based on me as the fan, not coming into a genre and being like, ‘It's popular. What can I do to make it successful?’ It was, ‘What would I really care about?’ And I think that's been the success of this show, as it comes from such a genuine place.” – Ashley Flowers
“I founded a nonprofit called Season of Justice that's all about funding testing for law enforcement. We pay the labs directly so we can do this advanced testing. Because I found in my work and the more I talk to families, the more I talk to law enforcement, one of the barriers over and over again was just finances. And that's where I was like, ‘I can fix that.’" – Ashley Flowers
“If you're truly invested in the community, there are so many different ways you can get involved and use your own talents to make a real difference and help solve these cases. I'm a storyteller, I'm a business owner, and now I'm solving murders.” – Ashley Flowers
Guest’s Links:
All Good People Here by Ashley Flowers - ââhttps://www.amazon.com/All-Good-People-Here-Novel/dp/0593496477
Ashley’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ashleyflowers/?hl=en
Crime Junkie’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/crimejunkiepodcast/?hl=en
Season of Justice - https://seasonofjustice.org
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://Jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/Jenhatmaker
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Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/Jenhatmaker
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Móni Guzmán came to the US from Mexico with her family many decades ago. In the past two presidential elections, her parents voted for Trump while she voted for Clinton and Biden. This created the kind of tension that must be managed very carefully. Fortunately, and relatedly, Móni has professional experience with difficult conversations in her capacity as a senior fellow at Braver Angels. We lean heavily on the ideas in Móni’s book, I Never Thought of It That Way, in this episode and throughout our 5-part series on getting along: Rupture + Repair.
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It’s been two years since Roe v. Wade was overturned by the Supreme Court. As the power to rule over women’s reproductive rights reverts to the states, we are seeing many move toward vast limitations of reproductive choices, including bans on terminating pregnancies, but also devastating impediments toward the processes that have helped those who are struggling with infertility have a chance to conceive. To open up this conversation and really delve into what this decision means, we have Jen’s longtime friend Amy Hardin joining the pod. As women who lived their childbearing years under the protections of Roe v. Wade, Jen and Amy discuss what the aftermath will look for the next generation of women.
Later on the show, we’ll feature an interview with Dr. Natalie Crawford, a Reproductive Endocrinology & Infertility Specialist in Austin, TX who really helps us break down all the salient issues. Dr. Crawford sensitively approaches all the repercussions of not having a safe way for a woman to terminate a pregnancy that many of us may not have even considered. Wherever you stand on the issue of abortion, these conversations show the ripple effect this decision has had on women’s ability to make health choices for themselves and how it affects women who do wish to conceive and the hurdles they will now face.
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“Reproductive care doesn't exist in silos. Abortion access is just one part of the triangle of reproductive care. And fertility care is on one end and gynecological care and OB/GYN care is on the other, but they all exist together, for a variety of reasons.” – Dr. Natalie Crawford
“You could die in pregnancy even though you have zero risk factors. We know that this happens. And so when we start assigning the idea that reproductive choice or ending a pregnancy is morally bad because you're killing a baby or a fetus, what we're really doing is devaluing the life of that mother who's carrying the baby because at any moment it could go a way that could turn lethal.” – Dr. Natalie Crawford
“We have allowed politics to infiltrate medicine and people are getting cared for differently because of the current political world. That should terrify anybody who knows somebody in their life with a uterus, that really should terrify you.” – Dr. Natalie Crawford
“Black women have three to four times the chance of dying in childbirth, even when controlled for proper prenatal care or socioeconomic class, meaning even if you are educated and you have access to care, the color of your skin is a contributing factor to you walking out of childbirth alive. That is devastating.” – Dr. Natalie Crawford
“You're either a fan of reproductive care and you respect the fact that people deserve the integrity to make their choices with their medical professionals and their loved ones, or you don't.” – Dr. Natalie Crawford
Guest’s Links:
Website - https://www.nataliecrawfordmd.com
Fora Fertility - https://www.forafertilityaustin.com
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/nataliecrawfordmd/
Twitter - https://twitter.com/ncrawfordmd
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We’re bringing back one of our most popular episodes ever on the pod - featuring “The Body Keeps the Score” author Dr. Bessel van der Kolk. And for a fun NEW take on the episode, Jen Hatmaker has asked one of her best friends, Amy Hardin, to join her to discuss their thoughts on this episode! Listen as Jen and Amy discuss their meet cute and then wade into the episode which delves into the relationship between trauma and the body, relating their personal experiences around this.
Dr. Van Der Kolk is a psychiatrist, author, researcher and author of the book The Body Keeps The Score. He has spent most of his career researching the causes of post traumatic stress, and is continuing to come away with groundbreaking discoveries about the power of our bodies to protect and shield us. Dr. Van Der Kolk brings us to the intersection of embodiment, mental well-being, and neuroscience and examines how we can understand our bodies’ response to trauma so we can embrace our healing.
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“People think about trauma as that thing that happened a long time ago. But that's not the issue, because that thing is over. It happened last year or 10 years ago, it's not happening today. But the traces that it leaves inside of you, are happening now.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk
“When you're traumatized, you try to not have all the sensations and feelings, and you turn on music loudly, or you drink or you take drugs, to make those feelings go away. And then to experience your feelings becomes very difficult.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk
“The most elementary thing is breathing. Our breath is the one thing in our body that happens whether we want it or not. And we can learn to breathe differently. So there's a physiological function that gives us access to some core pieces of ourselves, where you slow down your breath, you focus on breath, you activate your parasympathetic nervous system, and you do become calmer. That's where you start.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk
“You cannot take care of yourself unless you accept yourself for who you are.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk
“When you're traumatized, one thing becomes another thing. So to open that up, and open up the mind to new possibilities is incredibly important.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
The Body Keeps The Score by Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk - https://bit.ly/3zyCVPk
Guest’s Links:
Dr. Van Der Kolk’s Website - https://www.besselvanderkolk.com
Dr. Van Der Kolk’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/thebodykeepsthescore
Dr. Van Der Kolk’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thebodykeepsthescore/
Dr. Van Der Kolk’s YouTube - https://bit.ly/3RZpoa8
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Kirsten Powers is a tenured news analyst who lived inside our modern age’s belly of the beast — 24-Hour Network News. Kirsten Powers lived and breathed as a senior news analyst at Fox News and then CNN for years. Eventually, she hit a breaking point and realized living full throttle, enraged about the state of the world, wasn't doing her or anyone she loved any favors. She pulled back and began examining what it would be like if she stayed engaged in political news but also still centered and compassionate. Through her examination, she wrote an entire book about how to embrace grace and disengage from inflammatory discourse called “Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts.”
If you need some advice on how to balance that tightrope walk of being informed and actionable but not totally defeated by the litany of bad news, please join Jen and Kirsten as they determine what grace looks like when the world feels culturally and politically on fire.
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“I feel like what our culture is missing is grace. We don't have grace for each other, and I don't have grace for people, and I don't think other people have grace for people, for the most part. And I think it's because we don't really understand grace.” - Kirsten Powers
“When you call things out, you need to call it behavior. You need to say, "You're doing X, Y, and Z, and this is a problem," versus, "You are X, Y, and Z, and you are a problem.” - Kirsten Powers
“Boundaries were really hard for me. And one of the things that I discovered was, I think I thought of boundaries as almost aggressive. You're keeping people out, and that's not actually what they are. You're actually letting people know how to be in a relationship with you. So it's actually an act of grace, right?” - Kirsten Powers
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Richard Rohr on FTL Podcast: https://jenhatmaker.com/podcast/series-16/live-yourself-into-a-new-way-of-thinking-richard-rohr/
Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/saving-grace-kirsten-powers/1138990768?ean=9780593238233
Fierce, Free and Full of Fire: The Guide to Being Glorious You https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/fierce-free-and-full-of-fire-jen-hatmaker/1132184307?ean=9780718088163&aug=1
Kirsten’s Substack Newsletter: https://kirstenpowers.substack.com/
For the Love of the Enneagram (Jen’s podcast series on the Enneagram): https://jenhatmaker.com/podcast/series/series-27/
Guest’s Links:
Kirsten’s Website: https://kirstenpowers.com/
Kirsten’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kirstenpowers10/
Kirsten’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/KirstenPowers/
Kirsten’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/KirstenPowers
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Bestselling author, R. Eric Thomas, wrote âHere for Itâ in 2020 and it continues to reverberate in the hearts and minds of readers because of its timely topics and riveting personal storyâmaking it a perfect ârevisitâ for our book club community! With humor and vulnerability, Eric shares about his memoir which is equal parts hilarity and heartâand what it took to write about his intersecting identities as a Black, queer, Christian man.Join Jen and Eric as they traverse transforming the ordinary into the profoundly funny and insightful.Book Summary:In his memoir of essays âHere for It,â Eric attempts to define what it means to be an âotherâ through his experience growing up in two very different worlds â the urban landscape of his parents home in Baltimore and then the wealthy, white suburb where he went to private school. He tries to figure out how to reconcile all of this, not just these two wildly different racial and class spaces, but also his Christian upbringing with his sexuality as a gay man; the exhaustion of code switching; accidentally finding internet fame; covering the 2016 election and all of that aftermath. Ultimately, he is seeking to answer whether the future is worth it when everything seems to be getting worse. He re-envisions what could be by placing himself at the center of his own story and sharing his experiences with us.* * *Guestâs Links:R. Eric Thomasâs Website - https://rericthomas.com/R. Eric Thomasâs Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/oureric/R. Eric Thomasâs Twitter - https://twitter.com/ourericR. Eric Thomasâs Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/R.Eric.T/Books & Resources Mentioned in This Episode:Here for It or How to Save Your Soul in America by R. Eric Thomas - https://bit.ly/3KFKdTVThe Preacherâs Wife - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Preacher%27s_WifeCongratulations, The Best Is Over by R. Eric Thomas - https://bit.ly/3RdAY1EKings of Baltimore by R. Eric Thomas - https://bit.ly/3PxKvQ4Dickinson (TV Series) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8518136/Better Things (TV Series) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4370596/The Moth - https://bit.ly/3Vl3YFbAndre DeShields - https://www.andredeshields.com/Clue (The 1985 Movie) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clue_(film)Amy Dickinson - https://amydickinson.com/R. Eric Thomasâs Here For It News Letter - https://letter.rericthomas.com/Maxine Waters - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxine_Waters Ann Patchett - http://www.annpatchett.com/Festival of Homiletics - https://festivalofhomiletics.com/Connect with Jen!Jenâs website - http://jenhatmaker.com/ Jenâs Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJenâs Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/ Jenâs Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJenâs YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. Four Eyes Media: https://www.iiiimedia.com/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Our guest this week is bringing core insights into the kitchen so that everyone can:
a.) enjoy cooking and b.) turn it from a massive chore to a bright spot in your day. Author, blogger and “accidental cook” Bri McKoy is here, talking with Jen about the best practices and advice on how to become the kind of cook you want to be for your own life. Drawn from her essential cookbook, “The Cooks Book: Recipes for Keeps and Essential Techniques to Master Everyday Cooking,” Bri wants to share what she’s learned in her kitchen so that everyone’s kitchen can become a place of confidence and joy.
Jen and Bri dish on:
Why it matters where you put things in your kitchen—and how small changes can make a big impact
The Forever Grocery list, is Bri’s tried and true list of things you should always have on hand in your kitchen so that you limit your time shopping and planning
Bri’s Kitchen Techniques - simple rules that help us make decisions in the kitchen
What you need to know about pairing the right wine with the right foods and how to stock your bar with the essentials
If there’s more cooking in your life this summer with kids at home, guests coming to visit, or budget-conscious cooking when traveling, this relatable episode will give you the tools you need to de-stress your kitchen and make it a place for great food and great fun!
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“I come from a background of I didn't like cooking. I didn't wanna be in the kitchen. Every aspect of it, from the grocery shopping to the cleaning to the prepping was the worst. Then, when I started to learn how to cook, I became so much more joyful and less stressed out.” - Bri McKoy
“I have this arsenal of these five basic things. That means I have become confident and joyful in the kitchen. I teach those tips, tricks, techniques, recipes so that other people can feel like even if they depart from my cookbook, they will have success with every other recipe they try.” - Bri McKoy
“I always say that a sauce can make a meal. Like give it a glow up” - Bri McKoy
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
The Cooks Book: Recipes for Keeps and Essential Techniques to Master Everyday Cooking - https://bit.ly/3DQg6Ws
Cooking MeCourse ft. Jen and Bri - https://jenhatmaker.com/me-course/cooking/
Feed These People (Jen’s cookbook) - https://jenhatmaker.com/feed-these-people/
The Joy of Cooking (Cookbook) - https://bit.ly/3YpPbdv
Country Crock Buttery Spread - https://bit.ly/3OrCRER
Wine & Spirit Education Trust - https://bit.ly/3OMZPb1
Come and Eat: A Celebration of Love and Grace Around the Everyday Table (Bri’s Latest Cookbook) - https://bit.ly/3qqt89T
Guest’s Links:
Bri’s Website - https://oursavorylife.com/
Bri’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/brimckoy
Bri’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/brimckoy
Bri’s Pinterest - https://www.pinterest.com/brimckoy/
Bri’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/brimckoy/
Bri’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNkSDrh24WkP4HQbCfnPtwA?
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Do you struggle to feel truly at home in your body? We’re here to tell you; that it is possible. Our episode this week is a topic we return to often because we just can’t hear it enough; how we can heal our connections to our bodies. We have author and embodiment expert, Prentis Hemphill on the show, and she and Jen explore the idea of healing through embodied practices.
Prentis shares poignant insights from their work in the Black community processing racial trauma through reconnecting to embodied cultural practices. Here’s another piece of good news–when you heal your connection to your body, you present a vision of embodied healing that radiates outward - from ourselves to our communities. That in turn can transform oppressive cultures through grounded love. The possibilities are endless when we take agency over our bodies!
Jen and Prentis discuss:
the definitions of somatic practices and embodied healing
the role of embodiment in individual healing, processing trauma, and developing resilience
the connection between individual embodied healing work and the potential for broader cultural/societal healing and transformation
the lack of short-term optimism for societal change, but how unshakable faith rooted in human connection and community will eventually turn the tide
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Thought-Provoking Quotes;
"Somatics is the study of how our experiences and traumas live in the body. It's also a story of how our bodies can be resilient." - by Prentis Hemphill
"I think, generally, the times I feel most free are when I'm with my people and feel fully accepted and loved. When we're eating or dancing or we're cracking up and falling off the couch is when my body feels the absolute freest — when I'm in a loving community." - by Prentis Hemphill
"I love embodiment. I think a lot of it fundamentally is trying to point us in the direction of relationship and authenticity, courage, and care. I think that's when we will be most embodied is when we can live those values." - by Prentis Hemphill
"I think, generally, our culture just doesn't take the space and time to grieve the things that we need to grieve. We haven't celebrated the things we need to celebrate. There's a lot of denial and that stifles our growth. It keeps us, as a society, deeply immature. And I think if we could make some space for those things, a lot would change." - by Prentis Hemphill
"There are no more words that can be said. We can keep talking, but there are not really any more words to say. There's something that has to happen. It has to take root in your belly. It has to be expressed through your actions. You have to change." - by Prentis Hemphill
"To do anything [to create change] is going to be contingent on our ability to stay in relationship with each other." - by Prentis Hemphill
Resources Mentioned in This Episode;
The Black Embodiment Initiative at The Embodiment Institute - https://bit.ly/3xhlAda
You Are Your Best Thing edited by Tarana Burke and Brené Brown - https://bit.ly/3z09C88
Holding Change by Adrienne Maree Brown - https://bit.ly/3RlD3Ig
The Politics of Trauma by Staci Haynes - https://bit.ly/4cjpFwk
What it Takes to Heal by Prentis Hemphill - https://bit.ly/4eoC6ZB
Guest’s Links:
Prentis’ Website - https://prentishemphill.com/
Prentis’ Twitter - https://twitter.com/prentishemphill
Prentis’ LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/prentishemphill
Prentis’ Finding Our Way Podcast - https://linktr.ee/findingourwaypod
Prentis’ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/prentishemphill
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Coming in hot for our Queer Futures series, we’re bringing you an interview previously aired on For The Love’s Premium Podcast channel with celebrity Peloton instructor, Cody Rigsby. Cody has gained a devoted following through his engaging and motivational fitness classes on the Peloton platform. He talks about his memoir "XOXO Cody: An Opinionated Homosexual's Guide to Self-Love, Relationships and Tactful Pettiness" in which he opens up about transitioning from professional dance to fitness, his relationship with his mother who struggled with addiction and bipolar disorder, and how he aims to empower others through vulnerability and self-love. With his vibrant personality and inspirational story, Cody has become a celebrity in his own right.
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“I think the biggest obstacle to someone starting a fitness journey is feeling intimidated. You don't know what you're doing. You don't look like the people that are at the gym. Your body doesn't know what it's doing. So it's super overwhelming. So if you can take that and push it all to the side and just be like, ‘Okay, [where] in this space can I have fun?’” - Cody Rigsby
“No matter how much we love anybody in our life, specifically our parents, dealing with addiction is hard. It's challenging. You don't really know the effects of it when you're a kid until you look back as an adult and be like, ‘Oh wow, that was really messed up.’” - Cody Rigsby
“In life, it gets so busy. We're wrapped up in work, we really forget what life used to be or the struggles that we had and the aspirations that we have. Then you sit in the present and you have a moment of gratitude and say to yourself, ‘Wow, I have a lot of the things that I always wanted and I've let go of so many of the things that were holding me back.” - Cody Rigsby
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Cody on Dancing with the Stars - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JjDU_DKpeQ
One Peloton Community - https://www.onepeloton.com/blog/
XOXO, Cody: An Opinionated Homosexual’s Guide to Self-Love, Relationships, and Tactful Pettiness - https://bit.ly/3z0FkSN
Dancing with the Stars ft. Cody Rigsby - https://bit.ly/4cjlCjv
Jess King: Peloton Instructor - https://www.onepeloton.com/instructors/bike/jessicaking
Robin Arzón: Peloton Instructor - https://www.onepeloton.com/instructors/bike/jessicaking
Glamorous (Netflix TV Series) - https://www.netflix.com/title/81076871
Tiger King (Netflix Documentary) - https://www.netflix.com/title/81115994
Guest’s Links:
Cody’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/codyrigsby/
Cody’s Peloton Page - https://www.onepeloton.com/instructors/bike/codyrigsby
Cody’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/codyrigsbyfitness/
Cody’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/CodyRigsby
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This powerful episode in our Queer Futures series features an enlightening conversation about power structures with Jen and renowned author Roxane Gay and co-writer Megan Pillow. The women explore not only the concept of individual power, but how we can engage in community empowerment. Together, they delve into how marginalized communities, particularly LGBTQ+ individuals, can claim their power and challenge existing power structures to create a more inclusive and just society.
Discussion includes:
Claiming Individual Power: How women, LGBTQ+ individuals, and others can assert their power in personal and professional spaces.
Challenging Power Structures: The importance of calling out abuses of power and questioning the status quo
Empowerment Through Solidarity: The role of community and collective action in amplifying individual voices and driving social progress.
Re-examining Power Dynamics: How rethinking traditional notions of gender, race, and power can lead to more equitable outcomes.
Focusing on the Margins: The significance of centering marginalized voices and experiences in conversations about power and progress.
Roxane and Megan discuss practical steps that anyone can take to empower others around them. We’re encouraged to ask ourselves critical questions about our own relationships to power and to question the power sources that infringe on the rights of others and use our individual power to disrupt them. Every small act of resistance contributes to a larger movement for justice.
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“Power doesn't affect all of us equally and some people are able to wield power or are given power, and others have power wielded against them. There are all kinds of factors that contribute to the why of that.” - Dr. Roxane Gay
“When you see an abuse of power, call it out and identify it. Oftentimes power works because nobody questions it and nobody challenges it.” - Dr. Roxane Gay
"We have to use voting as one tool [to enact change], but we have to figure out other ways to be involved in our communities and to enact other forms of power, not just rely on voting as the singular tool that we use to try to enact change.” - Dr. Roxane Gay
“The queer future is complicated. I think the queer future is much better than the queer past, and we are really enjoying a lot of freedom. But it's not enough and until all of us are free, none of us are free.” - Dr. Roxane Gay
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Bad Feminist by Dr. Roxane Gay - https://roxanegay.com/books/bad-feminist/
Difficult Women by Dr. Roxane Gay - https://roxanegay.com/books/difficult-women/
Hunger by Dr. Roxane Gay - https://roxanegay.com/books/hunger/
All of Roxane’s Books - https://roxanegay.com/books/
Do The Work: A Guide to Understanding Power and Creating Change by Dr.Roxane Gay and Dr. Megan Pillow - https://bit.ly/45nxhvd
The Power Book: What is it, Who Has it, and Why? by Dr. Roxane Gay - https://bit.ly/3VBRYAl
Obergefell v. Hodges (2015 Supreme Court case making same-sex marriages legal in the U.S.) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obergefell_v._Hodges
Guest’s Links:
Roxane’s Website - https://roxanegay.com/
Roxane’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/roxanegay74
Roxane’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/roxanegay74
The Audacity (Roxane and Megan’s Stubstack Blog) - https://audacity.substack.com/
Megan’s Website - https://www.meganpillow.com/
Megan’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/megpillow
Megan’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/megpillow77/
Craftwork (Megan’s Substack Blog) - https://craftwork.substack.com/
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In this special bonus episode of the For the Love Podcast, Jen sits down with her literary hero — beloved author and teacher, Anne Lamott, whose candid, humorous writing has inspired millions to embrace their imperfect selves.
Anne and Jen explore the hard-won wisdom distilled across Anne's 45-year career and 20 books - from finding radical self-love after a lifetime of shame, to surrendering to life's ordinary miracles during periods of existential crisis. With refreshing irreverence, Anne shares her lessons on unearthing your deepest, truest voice and faith that new paths are waiting, even when the way forward feels hopelessly obscured.
Jen and Anne discuss
The importance of radical self-love, letting go of shame, and being your own priority before trying to please or gain approval from others
Having faith that there is a "shape" or path waiting for you, even if you can't see it yet, by surrendering and doing the work of self-examination
The wisdom that comes with age in realizing how little you know
The way small, mundane acts can be profound expressions of love and service to buoy you during dark periods
For anyone who has ever felt cracked by life's circumstances, Anne's perspective provides a roadmap back to wholeness.
Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“[I've been] giving myself deeper and deeper permission to use my own voice and to stop trying to get people to like or respect me or to think I'm more educated than I am--which I'm not at all educated--and to just get kind of cleaner in my own being so that I could write the deepest I could go in my own truest voice and just get that day's work done one day at a time. It's like nautilus for the soul. To keep writing your truth with your own weird, quirky, way of expressing yourself and being affirmed that people seem to like it and to keep going.” - Anne Lamott
"What love manifests is making more mistakes. Knowing as a writer, that a pile of papers and notes and index cards is a fertile field, and you don't need to know what you're going to do with them. They know what you're going to do with them. The material knows what you're going to do with it, and it's going to get back to you as it trusts more and more that you're a reliable narrator." - Anne Lamott
“We do some deep dive into the obstacles to radical self-love and to just surrendering to the path of goodness or God or the holiness. The first thing God says to Moses is 'take off your shoes. Feel the earth beneath your feet. This is holy ground.' And that is what God has for you, starting right now. Take off your shoes and wiggle your toes in the earth. Look up. Breathe in. And when you are restored from what you've been through, all this nautilus for your soul you've been doing, you're going to step forward into that shape.” - Anne Lamott
Resources Mentioned in this Bonus Episode:
Bird by Bird: Some Instructions on Writing and Life - https://bit.ly/3K1JZGg
Somehow: Thoughts on Love by Anne Lamott - https://bit.ly/3ytWzeK
The American Way of Death by Jessica Mitford - https://bit.ly/3JZCP5s
Hard Laughter: A Novel by Anne Lamott - https://bit.ly/4bFcO7b
Five Rules of Being a Grown-Up (Article by CJ Green) - https://bit.ly/4bXbmxl
8 Best Anne Lamott Books -https://bit.ly/3yoWbyj
Guest Links:
Twitter - https://twitter.com/annelamott/
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/AnneLamott/
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/annelamott/
Penguin Random House - https://sites.prh.com/annelamott
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - http://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
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Jen Hatmaker revisits one of the most impactful and downloaded episodes from her "For the Love" podcast's 7-year history. In this powerful encore, she has a candid conversation with acclaimed writer and speaker Jonathan Merritt who publicly comes out as gay for the first time during their interview.
Jen and Jonathan reflect on their intertwined journeys - she as an ally leaving the evangelical world, he as a prominent faith voice reckoning with his sexuality. Brace yourself for an emotional, insightful look at the joy and pain of Jonathan's coming out experience. This is one powerhouse episode you won't want to miss again (or for the first time!).
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“I had a choice. I could either leave the idea of being loved in that way and loving in that way behind and to get belonging and acceptance, or I could choose to be rejected by the people that I was given as a family and a faith community and I could go off on my own way and try to find love. And that's a tough decision.” – Jonathan Merritt
“I'd grown up hearing this, ‘we hate the sin, we love the sinner.’ And yet, everywhere I looked was all this sin-hate. And there was no marking of loving these people.” – Jonathan Merritt
“The number one reason that someone changes their views on homosexuality or same-sex marriage is how they answer the question, ‘Do you have a close family member or friend who is gay?’” – Jonathan Merritt
“I live in an Episcopal seminary. You feel hundreds of years of prayers that have been prayed here by good people. People who joined the Civil Rights Movement. And people who were marching after the Stonewall Riots. And people who did it because they loved Jesus and not in spite of that fact.” – Jonathan Merritt
"American evangelicalism is predicated on the existence of an enemy to fight, and that keeps people coming to church. It's the need to be against, right? And people revel in that, that's the selling point." – Jonathan Merritt
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Love is the Game Changer of Our Faith: Bishop Michael Curry - https://bit.ly/3BQ2FUl
How to Create a Politics of Love: Lisa Sharon Harper - https://bit.ly/3IdV3gW
Jen Hatmaker: Trump, Black Lives Matter, Gay Marriage & More - Jonathan Merritt - https://bit.ly/3IhrUS0
Christian Rock Star Comes Out as Gay in Letter to the World - Jonathan Merritt - https://bit.ly/3siB9Ms
Eugene Peterson on Changing His Mind About Same-Sex Issues and Marriage - Jonathan Merritt - https://bit.ly/3LXWlyX
Leading Evangelical Ethicist is now Pro-LGBT (David Gushee) - Jonathan Merritt - https://bit.ly/3LVOTUV
A Faith of Our Own: Following Jesus Beyond the Culture Wars - Jonathan Merritt - https://bit.ly/3Vvj8J6
Dr. Michael Lindsay - Sociologist & Author - https://www.taylor.edu/about/president-profile
James Martin - Jesuit Priest - https://www.instagram.com/jamesmartinsj/
My Guncle and Me by Jonathan Merritt - https://www.amazon.com/My-Guncle-Me-Jonathan-Merritt/dp/0762485612
Guest’s Links:
Website - https://www.jonathanmerritt.com
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jonathan_merritt/
Twitter - https://twitter.com/JonathanMerritt
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
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