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Hi everyone! This week, instead of an episode, we’re bringing you a brief announcement about some upcoming PTO for the podcast for the holiday season. We’ll be back in January 2025!
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Many people (including us) proudly wear the label of overachiever and enjoy being the kind of people to go above and beyond – in work and in other parts of life. But that’s not always a good thing. Sometimes, it can actually create more problems than it solves.
This week, we unravel the downsides of being an overachiever, including:
- the challenge of setting unrealistic (and unsustainable) expectations about your capacity
- knowing where to put your extra energy and effort
- the pros and cons of overperforming during your first 30/60/90 days on the job
- the difference between being a high achiever and an overachiever
- why it doesn’t have to be lonely at the top, if you build the right support network
- many, many automobile metaphors
Remember, “You can’t spell career without car.”
PS - 1.80 seconds is the fastest F1 pit stop record.
Mentioned in the episode:
“Set Boundaries, Find Peace” by Nedra Glover Tawwab: https://www.nedratawwab.com/set-boundaries-find-peace
Clare V.: https://www.clarev.com/
Alice in Borderland: https://www.netflix.com/title/80200575
Candice Brathwaite Instagram Reel: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_qUhEBsRB3/
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We often hear that we should choose collaboration over competition, but we think there’s a lot of positives that come from competition. A healthy relationship with competition can actually create community when done right – plus, we think everyone deserves to know what it feels like to be a winner.
We discuss:
- whether we identify as “competitive” people
- learning from negative emotions like jealousy
- why it’s sometimes harder for women to be seen chasing wins
- raising kids with a healthy relationship with competition
- group project trauma
- & much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
“The Rural Diaries” by Hilarie Burton Morgan: https://themischieffarm.com/the-rural-diaries/
“Dinner for Vampires” by Bethany Joy Lenz: https://www.amazon.com/Dinner-Vampires-Life-While-Actual/dp/1668067307
“Working Hard, Hardly Working” Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@Grace-Beverley
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It might be a taboo topic for some, but this week we’re talking about money. Specifically, how money can hold us back or set us free when we’re trying to chase our dreams and the lives we want. We chat about how money can bring up feelings of shame or anxiety, how we can use it to motivate us, why it’s normal to go through seasons of ups and downs with your financial wellness, and why sometimes you can’t put a price on happiness or peace of mind.
Also, we are not financial professionals and we don’t give any money advice. So please fact check any recommendations we may share. Except to treat yourself! We stand ten toes down on that piece of advice.
Mentioned in the episode:
“Necessary Endings” by Dr. Henry Cloud: https://www.drcloud.com/books/necessary-endings
Brown Ambition: https://brownambitionpodcast.com/
HerMoney: https://hermoney.com/
BiggerPockets: https://www.biggerpockets.com/
Your Rich BFF: https://www.yourrichbff.com/
Tori Dunlap, Her First 100k: https://herfirst100k.com/
Mrs. Dow Jones: https://www.mrsdowjones.com/
The Budget Mom: https://www.thebudgetmom.com/
Delyanne the Money Coach: https://delyannethemoneycoach.com/
Wine to Water: https://www.wtw.org/
World Central Kitchen Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wckitchen/
Nobody Wants This: https://www.netflix.com/title/81591296
Myleik Teele Instagram Post: https://www.instagram.com/p/DAgZpWgOovv/
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There’s no shortage of seriousness in our lives, especially when you’re adulting and dealing with things like finances, work, and all of our many responsibilities – but being silly and making moments for play is important. We don’t think we should lose or forget that, no matter what age.
So this week, we’re talking about reconnecting with our younger, playful selves, including:
- what play means to us, and how it changes over time
- the difference between venting and being a chronic complainer
- the importance of being a beginner, getting outside, and laughter
- surrounding yourself with the right people, including kids and animals
- & so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
Moo Deng Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/khamoo.andthegang
Outdoor Chef Life: https://www.youtube.com/c/OutdoorChefLife
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We’re often taught in school to aspire to work in Corporate America if we want to achieve professional and financial success. But should we still put a corporate career on a pedestal in 2024 as the only (or most guaranteed path) to getting what we want out of our work lives? Do we all need to experience a corporate job at least once in our working lives?
Our hosts argue opposite sides of the coin – for and against needing a corporate girl era. In this episode, we get into the pros and cons of corporate jobs, why we should be encouraged to celebrate alternate paths to success, how to get the best benefits, and more!
Mentioned in the episode:
“Everybody’s Free (To Wear Sunscreen)” by Baz Luhrmann: https://genius.com/Baz-luhrmann-everybodys-free-to-wear-sunscreen-lyrics
Welcome to a New Era of Work: The Portfolio Career: https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-portfolio-career-pros-cons-income-streams-side-hustles-2024-9
Apotheke: https://apothekeco.com
John Oliver’s Emmy Speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC8Xf1lOEsc
Bloom and Build Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bloom_and_build_/
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The New York Times bestseller, “Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle,” is for women (or anyone) who has felt overwhelmed and exhausted by everything they have to do, yet still worried they weren’t doing enough. The book explains why women experience burnout differently than men—and provides a roadmap to minimizing stress, managing emotions, and living more joyfully.
For this book club episode, we dive into our own experiences with burnout and research from the book, including:
- the definition of burnout
- dealing with stress vs. dealing with stressors
- prioritizing physical activity, a good cry, affection, and positive social interactions
- the importance of finding meaning and “something larger” in life
- why we should spend 42% of our day resting
- knowing when to exploit your current situation or explore new options
- navigating compassion fatigue
- why healing sometimes hurts
- & so much more!
As the Nagoski sisters remind us, “Wellness is not a state of being but a state of action.” We think this book has many good practices and actions to take to prevent and manage burnout.
Mentioned in the episode:
“Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle” by Emily Nagoski and Amelia Nagoski: https://www.burnoutbook.net/
The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: https://www.hulu.com/series/the-secret-lives-of-mormon-wives-58cd73be-408d-4eed-8e3d-82339f3f93e2
Seatopia: https://seatopia.fish/
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Few things in life feel better than clocking out, turning on your Out of Office email responder, and knowing you’re taking time off work. Whether it’s a luxurious vacation or laidback staycation, taking time off is good for your health and your company, but many of us (especially Americans) are reluctant to take those days off – even when they’re paid!
This week, we get into:
- the reasons we’re afraid to take time off from work
- why it’s important for your well-being (and productivity)
- the pros and cons of unlimited time off policies
- how to reduce anxiety around taking days off
- building in time off as a solopreneur
- & so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
Americans Take the Fewest Vacation Days In the World: https://qz.com/america-vacation-days-pto-europe-japan-pto-1851552822
Arpitha Kowtal: https://www.instagram.com/storiesbytwoplusone
Contagious Confidence Podcast: Confidence in Your 30s with Melissa Vega-Magbitang, Podcast Host & Brand and Social Media Strategist: https://open.spotify.com/episode/340NJ4sK40l31EI5F0GcoJ
Franchesca Ramsey “Don’t Knit a Sweater” TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@franchesca_leigh/video/7389333394062249262
Yogi Tea: https://www.yogi-life.com/
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“Keep your eye on the prize.” “Go after what you want.” We’ve all heard these maxims encouraging us to persevere, be resilient, and chase our dreams. But how do you know it’s time to give up the race and stop chasing? This week, we’re unpacking this tough question (and all the emotions that come with it).
We’re diving into:
- giving yourself permission to chase new dreams or change your mind
- avoiding a life of regret
- understanding triggers and flickers
- playing the numbers game and creating your own luck
- the difference between “giving up” and realizing it’s time to move on
- & so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
Maido: https://maidoonline.com/
Why 95% of People Never Achieve Their Dreams and How to Be in the 5%: https://medium.com/@mariastepanova7/why-95-of-people-never-achieve-their-dreams-and-how-to-be-in-the-5-d35d6e0a9b20
Oprah Winfrey on The Daily Show on “Knowing Where You Want To Go” (5:20 mark): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_kMOVS1qY8
Emily in Paris: https://www.netflix.com/title/81037371
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Maybe it’s because we both work in communications fields, but we believe that good communication is the foundation of a happy workplace! Whether you’re moving into a new industry or working with a partner or customer who’s a little more formal, we think it’s important to know some of the fundamental dos & don’ts of professional communications to avoid misunderstandings and leave a good impression.
A few of the rules we discuss include:
- what should (and should NOT) be put in writing
- the importance of a timely and thoughtful thank you note
- body language on video calls
- when sarcasm is appropriate
- punctuation triggers
- confrontation without conflict
- talking about sex, politics, and religion
- oversharing and office gossip
- & so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
Baggu: https://www.baggu.com
When the Moon Hatched by Sarah A. Parker: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/when-the-moon-hatched-sarah-a-parker
Connie Conpoint Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/C-L0tzAxwSA/
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Rachel Meyer is the founder of Botanical Bones, which is celebrating its four-year anniversary this month. Botanical Bones is a small business based in Asheville, NC that creates dog treats made with the same healthy, nourishing ingredients many of us use in our own wellness routines, such as adaptogens, superfoods, and organic ingredients.
This episode, Rachel shares the backstory on starting and growing her business – inspired after she adopted a pandemic puppy – and all the lessons she’s learned along the way. She discusses:
- pivoting from wantrepreneur to entrepreneur
- reentering the workforce after a prolonged absence
- why all of business is just problem solving
- balancing your energy and stress as a business owner
- developing a profit-first mindset
- the best business decision she’s made so far
- learning what to outsource to help your business grow
- figuring out wholesaling
- & so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
Botanical Bones: https://botanicalbones.com
Botanical Bones Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/botanicalbonesco/
Faire: https://www.faire.com
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Our podcast is all about celebrating fresh starts, or piloting journeys, and sometimes part of trying something new or starting over is learning to be a beginner again. Whether you’re picking up a new hobby or career, or just trying to stay at the top of your game for something you’ve been doing for years, having a beginner’s mindset is crucial.
We discuss:
- leading with curiosity and an open mind
- getting comfortable trying new things and failing
- the pitfalls of overpreparation
- the Japanese concept of “shoshin”
- tips for maintaining a beginner’s mindset
- balancing confidence and ego when you’re already an “expert”
- finding a “beginner buddy”
- & so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
“Just Kids” by Patti Smith: https://www.amazon.com/Just-Kids-Patti-Smith/dp/0060936223
How to Foster ‘Shoshin’: https://psyche.co/guides/how-to-cultivate-shoshin-or-a-beginners-mind
“The Creative Act” by Rick Rubin: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/717356/the-creative-act-by-rick-rubin/
Othership: https://www.othership.us/
Branwyn: http://rwrd.io/ixm51sl?c
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We all appreciate the fruits of others’ creative endeavors, but not everyone feels comfortable identifying as creative. And that’s a shame because we believe that everyone can be creative – whether you work in art or nuclear physics. Creativity impacts everything from your personal fulfillment and professional development to even your physical health. This week we’re chatting about how to bring more creativity into your life – and how to keep the creative juices flowing!
Our conversation covers everything from:
- why creativity isn’t only reserved for “artists”
- the importance of choosing curiosity over fear
- tips for cultivating creativity if you’re feeling uninspired or uncreative
- why we admire self-starters, disruptors, and multi-hyphenates
- the downfalls of tying your creativity solely to commerce
- navigating decision fatigue
- having the right routines and systems
- being the right physical environments, and with the right people
- & so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
“Big Magic: Creative Living Beyond Fear” by Elizbeth Gilbert: https://www.elizabethgilbert.com/books/big-magic/
Piloting Ep 52 “Book Club: “The Creative Act” by Rick Rubin”: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/52-book-club-the-creative-act-by-rick-rubin/id1686279759?i=1000653427385
Working Genius Assessment: https://www.workinggenius.com/
“Devotions: The Selected Poems of Mary Oliver” by Mary Oliver: https://www.amazon.com/Devotions-Selected-Poems-Mary-Oliver/dp/0399563245
Cloth & Paper: https://www.clothandpaper.com
Suzy Welch’s Instagram about the Velvet Coffin: https://www.instagram.com/p/C8XLCuEOdEl/
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Brad Stulberg is a sustainable excellence expert, coach and bestselling author. Brad’s books have collectively sold more than 500,000 copies in 20 languages to help people attain their full potential.
“Master of Change” is his latest book that introduces the concept of rugged flexibility, which promotes a combination of toughness and a willingness to bend without breaking, allowing you to not only withstand change but thrive in its midst. We unpack what this means and also chat about:
- why it’s important to learn how to “master” change
- the pros and cons of tragic optimism
- being picky about what you allow to throw you off-kilter
- the positive power of venting your frustration
- & so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
“Master of Change: How to Excel When Everything Is Changing – Including You” by Brad Stulberg: https://www.amazon.com/Master-Change-Everything-Changing-Including/dp/006325316X/
Brad Stuhlberg: https://www.bradstulberg.com
Piloting Ep 46: “Book Club: “Feel-Good Productivity” by Ali Abdaal”: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/46-book-club-feel-good-productivity-by-ali-abdaal/id1686279759?i=1000649044162
Dinnerly: https://dinnerly.com/v/REF-W--P3E2D8DE-20240723
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“Angel of My Dreams” by JADE: https://open.spotify.com/album/6Wf3fqCoGcOYah2lTcwyAA
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We often talk a lot about how we work, finding passion and balance in work, and why we value hard work. But, this week, we want to talk about where we work – specifically the workspace and environment that helps us feel most comfortable, creative, and productive!
We cover everything from:
- The downsides of too much desk clutter
- Must-have investments for your workspace (from furniture to accessories to tech)
- Our passion for ergonomics and standing desks
- How much personalization we like in our office decor
- Who works better from a home office vs. remotely from a coffee shop/airport
- Why a whiteboard or dry-erase board is a MUST
- & so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
Fully Standing Desk: https://store.hermanmiller.com/brands-fully
Melissa’s Travel Friendly Laptop Stand: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08RXT68RG/
Cushion Lab Pressure Relief Seat Cushion: https://thecushionlab.com/products/ergonomic-seat-cushion
Cushion Lab Back Relief Lumbar Pillow: https://thecushionlab.com/products/the-ergonomic-lumbar-pillow
Sony WH-1000XM4 Wireless Premium Noise Canceling Headphones: https://electronics.sony.com/audio/headphones/headband/p/wh1000xm4-s
BIOptimizers Magnesium Breakthrough: https://bioptimizers.com/shop/products/magnesium-breakthrough
“getting out of survival mode.” by for the healthy hoes. podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/forthehealthyhoes/episodes/getting-out-of-survival-mode-e2l0cv0
“The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up: The Japanese Art of Decluttering and Organizing” by Marie Kondō: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/240981/the-life-changing-magic-of-tidying-up-by-marie-kondo/
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Lizzie Hanes is an esthetician and the owner of Lizzie Hanes skincare studio in Raleigh, North Carolina. Her journey to finding her career took her from pre-med to midwifery and customer service at a beauty brand before finally landing on esthetics.
Lizzie shares her entrepreneurial journey and lessons about growing a business, including:
- Juggling both a full-time job and esthetics night school
- Working inside mega beauty brand Glossier
- Creating your own opportunities – including training with Joelle Ciocco in Paris
- Building a client base in Raleigh after leaving New York City
- Partnering with other small businesses to generate word-of-mouth marketing
- Hiring early and why you need to stop overthinking and get started
- & so much more!
Tune in for practical tips on starting and growing a brick-and-mortar business… and some fun summer skincare tips as well!
Mentioned in the episode:
Lizzie Hanes: www.lizziehanes.com
Lizzie Hanes Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lizzie_hanes/
Joelle Ciocco: https://www.joelle-ciocco.com/
Sofie Povitt Face: https://www.sofiepavittface.com/
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It’s human nature to appreciate security and stability, but can you have too much of a good thing? Is playing it safe more dangerous than taking risks?
We chatted about several things this week, including:
- Our personal comfort levels with risks and change
- Navigating risks as a fun-chaser or Type A personality
- How playing it safe gives you a FALSE sense of control and limits your growth
- Red flags that show you’ve been playing it too safe
- Ignoring people who try to anchor you too tightly to safety
- Being a challenger of the status quo
- Several questionable metaphors about cars…poker…
- & so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
Cassetto Club: https://thecassetto.com
Inside Out 2: https://movies.disney.com/inside-out-2
2024 Commencement Address by Roger Federer: https://home.dartmouth.edu/news/2024/06/2024-commencement-address-roger-federer
We The Urban: https://www.instagram.com/p/C82cCx5TtR-/?img_index=3
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We’ve all heard the saying, “If you love what you do, you’ll never work a day in your life.” But is chasing a job you love always the best path for everyone? Can you achieve as much, if not more, fulfillment by chasing a dream life instead? And what are the trade-offs of prioritizing one over the other?
This week, we discuss all of these questions, along with:
- The difference between loving and obsessing over work
- How to fall in love (or like) with your job
- Learning to compromise and grieve the paths you didn’t take
- Owning your choices (so the choice isn’t made for you!)
- Why it’s a privilege to decide what you do
- & so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
Hunter S. Thompson’s Letter on Finding Your Purpose and Living a Meaningful Life: https://fs.blog/hunter-s-thompson-to-hume-logan
Piloting Ep 55: “How Did a Career in HR Prepare Me to Become a Dating Coach? with Erica Laws, Founder of Laws of Attraction”: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7dUmdvVXb35honJ91RobVS
Is It Cake? (Netflix): https://www.netflix.com/title/81333845
Violette_FR: https://www.violettefr.com
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You’ve got a host chit-chat with just Renée and Melissa this week! Today, we’re having a fun time talking about tough conversations: why they’re difficult, getting more comfortable with them, and how avoiding them can keep you stuck on autopilot and further away from your goals.
We’re sharing some personal anecdotes and advice from professionals (because we need it) on:
- How avoiding tough conversations is harmful to your health
- The 4Ds for navigating difficult convos: discover, define, discuss, decide
- Whether using a timer can stop the discourse from derailing
- Why we all just want to be heard and acknowledged
- The pros and cons of a random “Hey, can we talk?”
- Which people in our lives are the hardest to broach difficult topics with
- Understanding and overcoming your trauma response – fight, flight, freeze, or fawn
- & so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
“Crucial Conversations Tools for Talking When Stakes Are High” by Kerry Patterson, Joseph Grenny, Ron McMillan, and Al Switzler: https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Conversations-Talking-Stakes-Second/dp/0071771328
What Now? With Trevor Noah: Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson: https://open.spotify.com/episode/00dD8L9V1WOj8CS4hhQQPQ
How Do Managers Train to Have Difficult Conversations?: https://www.pegstaff.com/how-do-managers-train-to-have-difficult-conversations/
We Have to Talk: A Step-By-Step Checklist for Difficult Conversations: https://www.judyringer.com/resources/articles/we-have-to-talk-a-stepbystep-checklist-for-difficult-conversations.php
Fight, Flight, Freeze, Fawn: Examining The 4 Trauma Responses: https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/fight-flight-freeze-fawn-trauma-responses
Felicity (Hulu): https://www.hulu.com/series/felicity-9dbab8bc-1285-4694-8f97-582a6c9e7091
“Please Please Please” by Sabrina Carpenter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF1Na4AIecM
Horti: www.heyhorti.com
In Your 30s: https://www.instagram.com/p/C66K5LEM3VJ/
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Raejean and Curt Stewart are spouses, entrepreneurs, outdoor enthusiasts, and budding real estate moguls. After dabbling in a few long-term rentals, the couple purchased land in Ohio during the pandemic and set out to build their first vacation cabin rental (from scratch)! Their cabin is available to book on Airbnb and they’re currently growing what they hope will become a sprawling real estate portfolio… all while maintaining full-time jobs.
Raejean and Curt share many business and life lessons this episode, including:
- Starting an Airbnb real estate business during the pandemic
- Buying land and building their own rental property from the ground up
- Deciding between long-term or short-term/vacation rentals
- The beauty of seeing your “what if” dream become a reality
- Juggling full-time jobs, parenthood, marriage, and a growing business
- Doing something every day that makes you happy
- Working well with your spouse
- Dealing with financial setbacks and mistakes
- Being the thermostat and not the thermometer
- & so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
The Haeli AirBnb: airbnb.com/h/thehaeli
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