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Episode #84 of the Ground Shots Podcast is a conversation with Jeff Wagner out of Paonia, Colorado, director of Groundwork, a regional nonprofit educating about food systems in a changing world and more.
Sign up for my August 2-8 high country field ecology and ethnobotany course in Western Colorado on the Grand Mesa
Groundwork is a place-based education program working to deepen our society’s relationships with land, food, and water and to cultivate generative and regenerative ways of living and relating. Our mission is to inspire the cultural shifts needed for a sustainable future.
Rising to meet the challenges posed by climate change, ecological decline, and environmental injustice requires more than new technologies and policies. At Groundwork, we believe it also requires profound shifts in the ways we relate to one another and to the world around us. Groundwork offers educational programs and publications that seek to shift the foundations of the ways we understand ourselves and our place in the world, in order to work towards more just and sustainable shared futures.
A culture, like our planet, is a living ecosystem, constantly shifting and changing based on the values, attitudes, and practices cultivated within a particular community. Groundwork creates spaces to critically reflect upon, challenge, experiment with, and create anew those building blocks of culture. Our offerings create opportunities for the emergence of new kinds of relationships and ways of being within the human and more-than-human world.
We believe that reimagined relationships and practices—in essence, emergent cultures—are the foundations of systemic change.
Colorado Public Radio ‘Parched’ Series
‘Chasing Water’ movie
Johnathan Thompson’s Landdesk publication on Substack regularly writes on current issues of the Colorado River
Cadillac Desert The American West and Its Disappearing Water by Marc Reisner
Where the Water Goes: Life and Death Along the Colorado River by David Owen
Thinking Like a Watershed: Voices from the West by Jack Loeffler and Celestia Loeffler
Glen Canyon Institute
Encounters with the Archdruid: Narratives about a Conservationist and Three of His Natural Enemies by John McPhee
The Unlikely Peace at Cuchumaquic: The Parallel Lives of People as Plants: Keeping the Seeds Alive by Martin Prechtel
The Art of Fermentation by Sandor Katz
The Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler
Water Education Colorado
‘The uncompromising environmentalist behind the Sierra Club’ by Joshua Zaffos High County News article about David Brower
‘Western States Opposed TribesAccess to the Colorado River 70 Years Ago’. History Is Repeating Itself.’ article by Mark Olalde, ProPublica, and Anna V. Smith, High Country News
Colorado River Compact
Elsewhere Studios
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for full shownotes to this episode, go to our website post here
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Episode #83 of the Ground Shots Podcast is a conversation with Callie Russell, an interview recorded in the field on a goat walk in New Mexico this past March. You may know Callie from the Alone show, though I have never watched it. We have known each other for many years and this past Spring we camped together for a few weeks by a river, with friends and her goats. We took time to record a conversation together for the podcast. The episode starts with us at camp with Rain, an old friend, and our banter getting ready to leave for a walk. If you want to skip that part you can fast forward 10 minutes or so past the field recording beginning. It’s funny though- to get a glimpse into life at camp. Most of the convo is of us walking with the goats and talking while on a walk. We eventually sit down to finish the interview. On our way back, one of the goats pushes me off a cliff and abruptly stops the recording, and you hear the incident in the episode. Thankfully I catch a root and Callie grabs me and all is ok. What we do for podcast recordings..Become a paid subscriber to Ground Shots extras on Substack to hear an extra story from Callie not included in the main interview. She tells a story of saving a goat from a mountain lion when she lived in the wilderness years ago. Its quite a story!
Callie’s website where you can find classes and updates Traditional Tanners online hide tanning courses Episode 10 : Adam Stolte and his Goats My August 2nd-8th field ecology course - sign up here! Vibrant Earth Seeds : Regionally adapted to the Southwest. Use ‘GROUNDSHOTS10’ at checkout for 10% off seed orders Bookshop buy me a book! Bookshop : recommended books for you (buying here helps support the podcast) Venmo : @kelly-moody-6 Paypal : paypal.me/petitfawn website archive and extended shownotes: http://www.ofsedgeandsalt.com Our Instagram pages: @goldenberries / @groundshotspodcast Theme Music: Mother Marrow Hosted and Produced by: Kelly Moody
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Episode # 82 of the Ground Shots Podcast is a conversation with Jason Hone on medicinal herbs of biblical times and the historical ecological transformation of the holy lands.
Jason Hone practices as a holistic provider for patients of all walks of life. He has worked in various disciplines of healthcare since 1996. His experience includes emergency and sports medicine, wilderness medicine, home health and hospice, and specialized pediatric care for children with medical frailties. Prior to becoming a nurse practitioner, Jason earned his Bachelor’s of Science in nursing (BSN) at Ameritech College of Healthcare in Draper, Utah and his Masters of Nursing (MSN) in Family Nurse Practitioning through Frontier Nursing University in Kentucky. In both programs he was selected by his peers to represent them in a leadership position. He loved these opportunities to interact with other nurses, students, and faculty. With considerable experience in holistic, alternative, and complementary medicine, Jason has training in many modalities, including but not limited to nutritional assessments, ozone joint injections, cupping, massage therapy, holistic wound management, herb care and ethnonobotanical lore.
Jason was raised in Idaho and Israel and has lived in Utah for the past 11 years. When he is not working, he loves spending time with his wife, Kristina, and their seven kids. He enjoys traveling and exploring, and loves practicing and teaching primitive skills. He and his wife are the founders of the CASK Gene Foundation, working to promote knowledge of this rare, genetic disorder faced by their youngest daughter.
Jason maintains national certification and professional membership through the American Association of Nurse Practitioners; he is a member of the American Holistic Nurses Association, Sigma Theta Tao International, and the Utah Nurse Practitioners’ Association.
birthday fundraiser for the podcast Whole Health Team - Jason’s health clinic website Vibrant Earth Seeds : Regionally adapted to the Southwest. Use ‘GROUNDSHOTS10’ at checkout for 10% off seed orders Ground Shots Substack : Subscribe here Bookshop buy me a book! Bookshop : recommended books for you (buying here helps support the podcast) Amazon wishlist for Kelly’s airstream trailer renovation Venmo : @kelly-moody-6 Paypal : paypal.me/petitfawn website archive and extended shownotes: http://www.ofsedgeandsalt.com Our Instagram pages: @goldenberries / @groundshotspodcast Theme Music: Mother Marrow Hosted and Produced by: Kelly Moody -
Ethan graduated from Humboldt State University with a degree in Wildlife Biology and Conservation. Currently, he works in the advocacy world for habitat protection and restoration on public lands that face various resource extraction industries. He homesteads on a piece of desertified land In southern Arizona and is attempting to reverse desertification processes to help build food/habitat. Beyond his focus in biology, over the last 12 years he has been involved with local organic agriculture systems in the places he has lived. Ethan has worked at many different organic produce farms/apiaries and is currently working more with sustainable livestock use on different landscape levels. He is also interested in foraging, food processing/preservation, processing/use of animal fibers for clothing, wildlife tracking/trailing, erosion reversal/desertified landscape restoration, music, wildlife tracking. Ecology and ecological advocacy has been his passion and focus through his adult life and many of these hobbies have helped him to connect with his local ecological systems. He believes that healthy human communities and landscapes are integrally tied and there is no environmental protection/advocacy without supporting the communities that live in those places. Ethan works with mutual aid networks in his area and has been involved in several direct action campaigns surrounding the border wall and local ecological issues. He has a wonderful dog companion, Tuck, who keeps him company at his desert homestead and on many adventures. Working to re-wild and decolonize the world around us starts within and Ethan hopes to continue this journey with the wonderful community of folks he’s met along the way.
Links:Sky Island Alliance
Contact Ethan on Instagram: @ dopa_surge_nature_turd
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Together with the insects, animals, plants and elements Elizabeth Yaari is transforming a dry patch of semi arid desert into a thriving regenerative seven layered food forest. “Anything is possible”, she says “even when you have 6 1/2 inches of rain a year.”
To spend time with Elizabeth is to enter a realm where depth matters and play reigns. Her descriptions of life at Night Owl food Forest will take you on a journey you were glad you took.
As an enthusiastic member of the Design School for Regenerating Earth, Elizabeth learns to create earthworks and microclimates which benefit not only neighbors on the same watershed but also all life in the surrounding bioregion.
In this episode of the podcast, we talked about:why Elizabeth started the Night Owl Food Forest
her relationship to art, eco-grief and planting
the permaculture course Elizabeth took with Pat Frazier and Wind Clearwater, and how it influenced her work on the land
Elizabeth tells a funny story of trying to sex a cow with permaculture teacher Pat Frazier and how it taught her to observe
working on the land over many years gives you way more knowledge of a place and its nuances than reading books
the nature of the Night Owl Food Forest - geologically and ecologically, and Elizabeth’s goals of restoration and regeneration
what Elizabeth learned about people from getting their compost for the food forest to build the soil
how Elizabeth works with the local community to build the food forest
thinking long term, beyond private land borders, and dedicated to small spaces
water and permaculture at the Night Owl Food Forest, which has little water rights and gets only a small amount of water each year
observations Elizabeth has made at the Night Owl Food Forest- as observation is the first step of tending land
Elizabeth’s observation of how wild flax literally moves throughout the day in response to the sun’s location in the sky
Sagebrush, Saltbush and Greasewood, halophytes that can tolerate salt and ‘poor soil’ in a permaculture setting
Some of what Elizabeth has planted at the Night Owl Food Forest
where Elizabeth planted Biscuitroot seeds on her land and why
slow, sink and spread, and how that is necessary at a spot like the Night Owl Food Forest
permaculture in desert environments
how Elizabeth made her hugelkultur beds with Cottonwoods cut down by beavers
using beaver deceivers to work with the beavers in the neighboring drainage
how the Praire Dog tunnels become conduits for water, and provide spaces where water can hide further up hill, and could be considered a ‘riparian zone’ by some
an audio tour of the night owl food forest in the snow with Elizabeth
Links: Night Owl Food Forest Facebook Page The Awesome Dobie Badlands - book on the Adobes written by a local western Colorado author (Bookshop version not available) Sundial Medicinals of Moab, Utah/ Episode #2 of the podcast mentioned in the episode talking about how Emily built the soil in the back yard of her home in the town of Moab over years of collecting compost Integral Pathways - a local business owned by Trace Axtell and Marta Sanchez, who did the earthworks projects at the Night Owl Food Forest Wind Clearwater on KVNF - As the Worm Turns, in 2016 (there are other convos on this program with him, too!) Vibrant Earth Seeds : Regionally adapted to the Southwest. Use ‘GROUNDSHOTS10’ at checkout for 10% off seed orders (your buying seeds also supports the podcast!) Ground Shots Substack : Subscribe here Bookshop buy me a book! Bookshop : recommended books for you (buying here helps support the podcast) Amazon wishlist for Kelly’s airstream trailer renovation Venmo : @kelly-moody-6 Paypal : paypal.me/petitfawn website archive and extended shownotes: http://www.ofsedgeandsalt.com Our Instagram pages: @goldenberries / @groundshotspodcast Music: Mother Marrow Hosted and Produced by: Kelly Moody -
full shownotes here
Samantha Zipporah is a midwife, author & educator in service to healing & liberation. Sam’s path rises from an ancient lineage of midwives, witches, & wise women with expertise spanning the continuum of birth, sex, & death. She is devoted to breaking the spells of oppression in reproductive & sexual health by connecting people with the innate pleasure, power, & wisdom of the body. Her praxis weaves scientific & soulful inquiry that integrate modern medicine & data with ancestral practices & epistemologies. Sam's most recent publications & offerings center the radical reclamation of contraception & abortion. Her online membership, The Fruit of Knowledge Learning Community, features access to her heart & mind via books, courses, Q&As, curated resources & more.
Sam’s website and Fruit of Knowledge Learning Community Article mentioned by Sam: A Place for Herbal Ab0rtion in Clinical Herbalism Eve’s Herbs: A History of Contraception and Abortion in the West Natural Liberty by the Sage Femme Collective Vibrant Earth Seeds : Regionally adapted to the Southwest. Use ‘GROUNDSHOTS10’ at checkout for 10% off seed orders (your buying seeds also supports the podcast!) Ground Shots Substack Bookshop buy me a book! Bookshop : recommended books for you (buying here helps support the podcast) Amazon wishlist for Kelly’s trailer renovation Venmo : @kelly-moody-6 Paypal : paypal.me/petitfawn Our Instagram pages: @goldenberries / @groundshotspodcast Music: Mother Marrow Hosted and Produced by: Kelly Moody -
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Family loving, community enthusiast Jacquie Hill is a plant person doing planty things on the Western Slope of Colorado. After practicing her blend of story-rich, folk herbal medicine for 10+ years, she took her studies to academia, earning a bachelor’s degree in botanical sciences from Bastyr University in 2019. While there she made the most of the opportunities and gleaned from teachers, mentors, and nature taking, every field class offered and immersing herself in the wonders of western Washington. With a deep love of opposing forces, Jacquie keeps one foot in the scientific as well as the nonlinear. Jacquie has a GMP certificate from Herbal Medics which comes in quite handy as the owner and maker at her small batch herbal product company, Of the Hill Botanicals. In her free time, Jacquie spends her time exposing her children to the magick of the natural world with her husband Allon, contemplating the role of plants as myth keepers, and performing with her puppet troupe, Singing Bone Medicine Show.
Jacquie’s instagram: @jacquieofthehill Native American Sacred Trees and Places The Legacy and Misappropriation of Henrietta Lacks Bacon’s Rebellion Bastyr University Paonia Apothecary Vibrant Earth Seeds : Regionally adapted to the Southwest. Use ‘GROUNDSHOTS10’ at checkout for 10% off seed orders (your buying seeds also supports the podcast!) Ground Shots Substack : Subscribe here Bookshop buy me a book! Bookshop : recommended books for you (buying here helps support the podcast) Amazon wishlist for Kelly’s airstream trailer renovation Venmo : @kelly-moody-6 Paypal : paypal.me/petitfawn website archive and extended shownotes: http://www.ofsedgeandsalt.com Our Instagram pages: @goldenberries / @groundshotspodcast Guest Music: Mama Lingua Hosted and Produced by: Kelly Moody -
Episode #76 is a conversation with Calyx Liddick of Northern Appalachia School in southern Pennsylvania.
(trigger warning, this episode may contain content that could be triggering to some as we address the history of scientific racism and the eugenics movement)
read full show notes and resources here
Calyx Liddick is a bioregional herbalist, ethnobotanist, holistic nutritionist, wildcrafter, writer of poetry and prose, wildlife tracker, and mother of two. She was born and raised in the mountains of Central Pennsylvania.
She is an outspoken advocate for accessible education, social and ecological justice, and ethical practice in plant work. As an educator in bioregional herbalism, Calyx is passionate about bridging the gap of perception between the personal body and the ecological body, and illuminating the wisdom of place and the potential of the direct reciprocation of health and wellbeing present in ecological stewardship. She is committed to integrating plantwork as a life way, helping others develop a rooted relationship with the land and its more-than-human community, and healing the damage from extractive and hierarchical relationships between people and plants. In her practice, she integrates the long, rich history of traditional herbalism with modern, scientifically sound research.
Calyx’s website at Northern Appalachia School Calyx’s Instagram: @northernappalachiaschool Ground Shots Substack : Subscribe here Bookshop buy me a book! Bookshop : recommended books for you Amazon wishlist for trailer reno Venmo : @kelly-moody-6 Paypal : paypal.me/petitfawn Our Instagram pages: @goldenberries / @groundshotspodcast Guest Music: Bridget Downey and Soren Knudsen Venmo Bridget Downey : @Bridget-Downey-3 Hosted and Produced by: Kelly Moody -
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(photo of Sylvia taken by Ricardo Nagaoka, used with permission from photographer. )
Episode #76 of the Ground Shots Podcast is a conversation with Sylvia Poareo from Connecting Within, out of Ashland, Oregon.
Sylvia Poareo is a gentle Curandera/Consejera (healer/spiritual counselor) whose work is rooted in guiding and supporting each individual in their own liberation within collective healing. Informed by the Chicano experience and growing up as an orphan in SoCal, her life was an initiation into deep trust in and reliance on Spirit/Creator.
Connecting deeply into the heart, to the cosmos and nature as a pathway to healing, she recognizes the profound wisdom, resilience and fortitude we carry in our bones. She supports ancestral remembrance and remembering parts of ourselves, our innate humanity and cultures of origin as a path to truth, healing and wholeness.
(read full bio and show notes through the link above)
Links:Sylvia’s website: Connecting Within
Ground Shots Substack PublicationBookshop account: buy me a book!
Bookshop account: recommended books for you (adding a backlog of recs soon)
Amazon wishlist for trailer renovation
Laying Groundwork, late summer ecology classes
Venmo to support the podcast: @kelly-moody-6 Guest Music: Tránsito, El Feo, and Medley: Pastures Of Plenty/This Land Is Your Land/Land by Lila Downs Hosted by: Kelly Moody Produced by: Kelly Moody -
Hey ya’ll,
This is a quick and dirty solo podcast episode where I update you on some of the things I’m doing this summer including offering in-person ecology immersions in western Colorado on the Grand Mesa.
I give a little overview of some of what we did in my last immersion that was 4 days, focused on riparian ecology.
Talk on travel, loneliness post-pandemic, the grief of ecological destruction, the importance of community around that grief
Some talk on the ‘abodes’ geologic formation in the region
Human impacts on riparian ecological zones
Support the podcast! A few ways:
Substack : groudshots.substack.com
Patreon : patreon.com/ofsedgeandsalt
Buy me a book on Bookshop
Sign up for an in-person ecology course with me or Nikki Hill (Scholarships available) located on the Grand Mesa in western Colorado
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read the entirety of the show notes for this episode here. Episode #73 of the Ground Shots Podcast is a conversation with Alex Zubia (XeF) out of Fresno, California.
Alex Zubia, who goes by “Xef” is a Chef by trade. Born and raised in Fresno, CA (yokuts Land). Alex attended The California Culinary Academy in San Francisco (Ramaytush Ohlone land) in 2007. His passion for cooking came with his passion for eating. From 2008-2015 he worked at Community Regional Medical Center’s Emergency Room as a Patient Liaison. During that time he witnessed people from his community dying from diet related issues. That realization led him to opening his food truck, which focused on healthier, farm to fork versions of familiar foods. In 2015, Alex moved to Santa Barbara (Chumash Land) to further his skills as a chef. There, he discovered that so much of the beautiful produce he was cooking with came from Fresno. He wondered why he never saw all this produce available in Fresno. Alex moved back to his hometown in 2021 to fight for food justice as a Food Sovereignty Director at Fresno Barrios Unidos. Alex’s goal is to bring his community back to eating and cooking their indigenous foods which are so plentiful in the Central Valley.
In this conversation with Alex, we talk about:food apartheid (or ‘food deserts’) in Fresno, California, which is in the Central Valley of California, a place where so much food is grown yet not a lot of local food is available for the folks who live there
food is medicine, culturally and physically
Alex’s journey doing work with food, cooking in Santa Barbara and Fresno
the corporate industrial food complex as it intersects capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy
Alex’s work as a patient liaison at the Community Regional Medical Center’s Emergency Room and how it changed their perspective and what they observed as harmful aspects of the hospital industrial complex
The importance of love, community, and good food for good health
Navigating the nonprofit world when trying to do food justice work
some raving on TEK (Traditional Ecological Knowledge) Chico and Ali Meders-Knight’s model of land tending in California
regenerative agriculture stems from indigenous practices
The four R’s and more on Transition US (Resist, Repair, Reimagine, Regenerate)
Links: Sign up for Summer 2023 field ecology classes in the southern Rockies Late Spring Terratalks Ecology study group, for late April and May Fresno Barrios Unidos Transition US Alex/Xef’s Instagram: alexander_fresno Transition US’ instagram: transition_us Fresno Barrios Unidos’ instagram: fresnosbarriosunidos My Homie’s Kitchen instagram: myhomieskitchen Guest Music: “Walk Away” by Ambeeka -
Episode #73 is a solo episode with Kelly Moody, Ground Shots Podcast regular host.
I get into a slew of things on this episode, reflecting on camping near the Mexican border and the implication of borders, water, fire and ecological disturbance, summer field immersion programs I’m doing in Western Colorado this season and more.
A shorter episode with just me and some sweet banjo tune by Mandalin Sattler as background music.
Links for this episode:Ground Shots Substack publication, subscribe for free
Patreon Support for the Podcast if you want to support that route
Terratalks philosophy and ecology online 3 part class, late Spring Session Waitlist
Field Ecology Programs Western Colorado Spring/Summer 2023 in collaboration with Groundwork, sign up here
Elderberry’s Center in Paonia, Colorado, Lisa Ganora’s Herbal Education Center
Lisa Ganora’s Herbal Constituents Online course, starting at the end of March. Sign up here with my discount code ‘KELLY’ for 10% off and using it also helps support the Ground Shots Podcast!
Music for this episode by Mandalin Sattler of Water Daughter and @mossymandalin on Instagram
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Sign up for my spring mini study group starting February 10 (sign ups open for a limited time!) here: Terratalk sessions Episode 72 of the Ground Shots Podcast is with Lisa Ganora, herbalist and plant chemist, out of Paonia, Colorado. Lisa and I got together at her Elderberry’s Farm spot, on the edges of Paonia, Colorado’s town limits. On a cloudy day with intermittent rain and snow, we sat in her herb lab, drinking hot tea, to do an interview. Lisa Ganora began studying traditional Western herbalism in the ‘80s. Later, she lived and wildcrafted in the Appalachians where she studied with folk healers and created herbal products to sell as she traveled the festival circuit with her herb booth. After practicing as a community herbalist for a decade, Lisa returned to college and graduated from UNCA summa cum laude with multiple awards in biology and chemistry. After graduation, she focused on studying pharmacognosy and phytochemistry. In addition to directing the Colorado School of Clinical Herbalism from 2012-2020 and managing Elderberry’s (a Rocky Mountain herbal education center in Paonia, Colorado), Lisa has also served as Adjunct Professor of Pharmacognosy at the Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine, and has lectured and taught classes at numerous schools and conferences. She is the author of Herbal Constituents, 2nd Ed., a popular textbook on practical phytochemistry for natural health practitioners, which is used by herbal schools and universities worldwide.
To see more show notes and what we talked about summaried on this episode, go direct to our blog page for the episode, here.
Links: (for extended links list, go to our episode page, linked above)
Lisa’s website for Elderberry’s Educational Center
Herbal Constituents website
Instagram for Elderberry’s
Support the podcast on PatreonGround Shots Substack Publication
Donate to support this work: Paypal : paypal.me/petitfawn VENMO:
@kelly-moody-6 Cashapp: cash.app/$groundshotsproject Our website with an archive of podcast episodes, educational resources, past travelogues and more: http://www.ofsedgeandsalt.com Our Instagram pages: @goldenberries / @groundshotspodcast Join the Ground Shots Podcast Facebook Group to discuss the episodes Subscribe to our newsletter for updates on the Ground Shots Project Theme music: 'Sweat and Splinters' by Mother Marrow -
Susan Tweit is a plant biologist with a calling to restore nature and our connection with the community of the land especially close to home. Plants are her people, as she says, fascinated by the myriad ways they weave the world’s living communities, forming the green tapestry that covers this planet. Susan began her career as a field ecologist studying sagebrush, grizzly bears and wildfires. She reveled in the work and the time outside in the west’s expansive landscapes, but eventually realized she loved the stories in the data more than collecting those data. So, she learned how to tell those stories, not an easy trick for a scientist schooled in dispassionate and impersonal prose.
Susan and I met at the Paonia Books opening event in Paonia, Colorado in late fall 2022. During the event, we ended up getting into a conversation about plants by the hard cider sample table, and decided to try at some point to do an interview for the podcast. I was curious about Susan’s work as a writer and botanist, ecology scientist and was excited to dig deeper. We managed to meet up a few weeks later and recorded a conversation in Paonia Books’ back room where they hold writing workshops.
She has written a handful of books on a variety of themes. Some of her titles include ‘Barren, Wild and Worthless, Living in the Chihuahuan Desert,’ ‘The Rocky Mountain Garden Guide,’ and ‘Bless the Birds: Living with Love in a Time of Dying.’
read the blog post for the episode, here Links:Susan’s website
Paonia Books
Support the podcast on Patreon For one time donations to support this work: Paypal : paypal.me/petitfawn VENMO:
@kelly-moody-6 Cashapp: cash.app/$groundshotsproject Our website with an archive of podcast episodes, educational resources, past travelogues and more: http://www.ofsedgeandsalt.com Our Instagram pages: @goldenberries / @groundshotspodcast Join the Ground Shots Podcast Facebook Group to discuss the episodes Subscribe to our newsletter for updates on the Ground Shots Project Theme music: 'Sweat and Splinters' by Mother Marrow Interstitial music: Old Maid's Draw by Riddy Arman Hosted by: Kelly Moody Produced by: Kelly Moody -
Episode #70 of the Ground Shots Podcast is a conversation with Sarah Galvin of the House of Yore who was a past guest on the podcast.
direct link to episode on our website
Listen to Episode #54: Sarah Galvin of House of Yore on the need for madness and chaos medicine in our culture here. You might want to pop over and listen to that episode first before this one to get more context for Sarah’s work, but you can also listen to this episode standalone.
In this episode of the podcast, Sarah and I talk about:mothering in the modern era
attachment wounds that begin at childbirth and how they are passed down through ancestral trauma lineages
how changing ancestral traumas that are passed down happens incrementally, and we do the work for the people who come after us
giving birth in her cabin in Alaska without much assistance
tracking internal and external landscapes as self-work for healing
how living in victimhood narratives even if we are victim to things that have happened to us perpetuates trauma and carries those wounds on
radical self-responsibility and self-accountability as a path to healing
breastfeeding and birth humor, and more
Links:
Sarah’s website: House of Yore Sarah on Instagram: @house.of.yoreCharity of Mother Marrow’s GoFundMe
GoFundMe for the podcast and transmission replacement for Kelly’s truck
Support the podcast on Patreon to contribute monthly to our grassroots self-funding of this project For one time donations to support this work: Paypal : paypal.me/petitfawn VENMO:
@kelly-moody-6 Cashapp: cash.app/$groundshotsproject Our website with an archive of podcast episodes, educational resources, past travelogues and more: http://www.ofsedgeandsalt.com Our Instagram pages: @goldenberries / @groundshotspodcast Join the Ground Shots Podcast Facebook Group to discuss the episodes Subscribe to our newsletter for updates on the Ground Shots Project Theme music: 'Sweat and Splinters' by Mother Marrow Interstitial Music: ‘New Futures’ by Prae Hosted by: Kelly Moody Produced by: Kelly Moody -
Episode #69 of the Ground Shots Podcast was recorded in southern Oregon this past August among old Juniper trees tucked just below a special Tableland mesa, with Nikki Hill of Walking Roots, and Sigh Moon assisting in the conversation.
Link to our website where you can donate to the podcast, and find the blog post on the podcast episode with photos and bios of Nikki and Sigh Moon as well as a few photos from where we recorded the episode: www.ofsedgeandsalt.com/podcastblog/lithiummine
We talk about:What is a tableland or mesa?
Nikki’s intention in doing survey work at Thacker Pass, a place in Nevada slated to become a large lithium mine
Questioning the sustainability of lithium
Seeing wild gardens and patterns on the landscape that reflect historical relationships of indigenous peoples and places
How deserts have been hard for European ancestored folks to conceptualize and how this makes it easy for us to consider it a wasteland to be inverted to perpetuate modern culture
Considering certain lands sacrifice zones comes from the idea that we are separate from land and that we can actually have an effect
the effects of private land ownership on the water table and water flows on land
seeing through a lens of botanical archaeology
how archaeology is often focused on ‘settled’ life evidence not nomadic life evidence
how do we start to re-see why plants are on the landscape in relationship to human historical tending of those plants?
the misinformed idea that hunter-gatherers (gatherer-hunters) were not sophisticated in their tending
what is the point in caring about anthropogenic landscapes?
Nikki’s plant survey process at Thacker Pass in Nevada and some of the plants she found like Yampah, Biscuitroots, Mariposa Lilies and more.
Links:Nikki’s Website: Walking Roots
Counterpunch article by Nikki: “Botany as Archaeology, to Stop a Lithium Mine’
Nikki’s instagram page: walking.roots
Sigh Moon’s Instagram page: tenderwildeyes
Sigh Moon’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrmu0A77ja3o8DZ32ttOsIA/videosSave
Thacker Pass Campaign website
‘The Ecology of Eden: An Inquiry into the Dream of Paradise and a New Vision of Our Role in Nature’ book by Evan Eisenberg, a book I read in college on critical ecology that feels relevant to this episode
“The Void, The Grid & The Sign: Traversing The Great Basin” by William Fox, all about concepts of void and land value in the Great Basin Desert, a fascinating book
“1491” and “1493” by Charles Mann, alternative histories to North and South America mentioning anthropogenic landscapes including ‘terra preta’ in the Amazon, mentioned on the podcast
Save Oak Flat and the Apache Stronghold Campaign
Angela Moles Ground Shots Podcast interview mentioned on the podcast: Episode #57: Gabe Crawford interviews Angela Moles P.h.D. on the rapid evolutionary responses of plants due to climate change, challenging scientific dogma
Past episodes of the podcast featuring Nikki Hill:Episode #31: Wild Tending series / Nikki Hill and Gabe Crawford on the basics of wild-tending
Episode #33: Wild Tending series / Nikki Hill and Gabe Crawford on re-thinking the concept of invasive plants
Episode #59: Is there such a thing as an "Invasive Species"? A conversation with Matt Chew Ph.d. hosted by Kollibri terre Sonnenblume, Nikki Hill and Gabe Crawford
Music for this episode: Reverie, Spires and The Undergrowth by Juniper Blue This episode hosted by: Kelly Moody Produced by: Kelly Moody -
Episode #68 of the podcast is a conversation with Adam Larue of Sharpening Stone Gathering, out of Grants Pass, Oregon.
visit our blog post on the episode to see a few photos of the land where we interviewed: https://www.ofsedgeandsalt.com/podcastblog/2022/6/12/episode-68-a-conversation-in-a-camas-meadow-adam-larue
Adam and I recorded this conversation in a Camas meadow adjacent to his land after I taught wild-tending and critical ethnobotany plant plant walks for a week at the Sharpening Stone Earthskills Gathering, which Adam helps run.
In this episode with Adam, we talk about:
How Adam got the land that he lives on and runs the Sharpening Stone Earthskills Gathering
Some of the methods and madness of logging in Oregon which happens all around Adam’s private inholding near Umpqua National Forest, the herbicide spraying and GMP tree planting replacing forest diversity
the downfalls of profit-centered thinking vs. ecological centered thinking
some info about the Sharpening Stone Earthskills Gathering which takes place on the land we do the interview on
Re-wilding as a hot topic and trend right now
dancing with modern technology while trying to reconnect to land
Links: For one time donations to support this podcast: Paypal : paypal.me/petitfawn VENMO:
@kelly-moody-6 Cashapp: cash.app/$groundshotsproject Our website with an archive of podcast episodes, educational resources, past travelogues and more: http://www.ofsedgeandsalt.com Our Instagram pages: @goldenberries / @groundshotspodcast Join the Ground Shots Podcast Facebook Group to discuss the episodes Subscribe to our newsletter for updates on the Ground Shots Project Interstitial Music: ‘I’m Moving to the Mountains’ by Adam Larue Theme Music: ‘Sweat and Splinters’ by Mother Marrow This episode hosted by: Kelly Moody Produced by: Kelly Moody Sharpening Stone Gathering on Instagram Becoming Wild on Instagram Sharpening Stone Gathering Adam’s Youtube project: ‘Becoming Wild’ -
Direct link to episode with extra photos and Ted's poetry: https://www.ofsedgeandsalt.com/podcastblog/tedpackard
Ted studied History and Anthropology at Christopher Newport University, got a Master’s in Teaching, went on the road with the Momentary Prophets band, and then went to study with Alderleaf Wilderness College and Wilderness Awareness School. He taught various program for youth around the greater Seattle area for many years before relocating to Durango, Colorado to dry out, as he says. After some years of a break, Ted just started up a new nature connection program for youth in the Durango community. Ted does lots of things, including various handcrafts, refurbishing guitars and other instruments, music-making, writing, wood-burning and more. As college peers, we spent a lot of time together researching things like mushroom cults, the esoteric origins of Judeo-Christian religion, the anthropology of psychedelics, zen koans, and more. We both have lived in different places since and woven in and out of each others’ lives so we spent some time really checking in about how we think about things now vs. when we were radical activist driven neo-pagan coyote-trickster troubadour mind-melters.
In this episode with Ted, we talk about:Ted’s nature connection mentorship work with youth in Washington and Colorado
Ted’s upbringing in northwestern Virginia
Our experience in college of community: artists, philosophers, musicians, activists, and neo-pagans and our reflections on that time now
seasonal ritual as a somatic map
ways that Ted’s anger at an eco-cidal culture has transformed over the years to a yearning for finding points of connection vs. telling someone they are wrong or how to live
what is a community of mutuality in a broken society that emphasizes hyper-individualism?
activism can look many ways and can even be in small moments of advocacy
awareness of the isolation of capitalism is often crippling
the reality that financial security is generally not available to our generation (millennials)
Ted’s musical projects which include Momentary Prophets from his early 20’s, that had a coyote-troubadour element with community driven instigation, as well as his own solo projects
paying attention to ‘nature’ bringing you closer to crazy synchronicities that become signposts to keep going
weaving a web of interrelated ideas and ecologies as a way of being
trauma, neutrinos, quantum physics intersecting eastern philosophy, bodies as multiplicity, the mycelium nature of everything, music as ecological channeling
Links: The Emerald Podcast, mentioned on the podcast Daniel Quinn, author we mention on the podcast Mystic Moon of Norfolk, VA, pagan community mentioned Terence McKenna, mentioned on the podcast Mountain Justice: organization dedicated to ending mountain top removal in Appalachia Momentary Prophets on Facebook Momentary Prophets on Bandcamp (Interstitial music featured on the episode) Ted’s music on Bandcamp (he is putting out a new album RIGHT NOW, his individual music featured in the intro of this episode) Wilderness Awareness School Living Earth School Sophie Strand Ted’s Patreon for his music, art, writing Ted’s revived blog of writing (do yourself a favor and read and savor) Ted’s Venmo if you’d like to donate to help support his musical projects : @Theodore-Packard Support the podcast on Patreon to contribute monthly to our grassroots self-funding of this project For one time donations to support this podcast: Paypal : paypal.me/petitfawn VENMO:
@kelly-moody-6 Cashapp: cash.app/$groundshotsproject Our website with an archive of podcast episodes, educational resources, past travelogues and more: http://www.ofsedgeandsalt.com Our Instagram pages: @goldenberries / @groundshotspodcast Join the Ground Shots Podcast Facebook Group to discuss the episodes Subscribe to our newsletter for updates on the Ground Shots Project Music: by Ted Packard and Momentary Prophets This episode hosted by: Kelly Moody Produced by: Kelly Moody and Ted Packard -
To access full blog post on the episode, full show notes and a photo diary, click below: https://www.ofsedgeandsalt.com/podcastblog/dougelliott Doug Elliott is a naturalist, herbalist, storyteller, basket maker, back-country guide, philosopher, and harmonica wizard. For many years made his living as a traveling herbalist, gathering and selling herbs, teas, and remedies. He has spent a great deal of time with traditional country folk and regional indigenous peoples, learning their stories, folklore and traditional ways of relating to the natural world. In recent years he has performed and presented programs at festivals, museums, botanical gardens, nature centers and schools from Canada to the Caribbean. He has been a featured storyteller at the National Storytelling Festival. He has lectured and performed at the American Museum of Natural History in New York, the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto and conducted workshops for the Smithsonian Institution. He has led ranger training sessions for the National Park Service and guided people on wilderness experiences from down-east Maine to the Florida Everglades. He was named harmonica champion at Fiddler’s Grove Festival in Union Grove, N.C. He is the author of five books, many articles in regional and national magazines, has recorded a number of award winning albums of stories and songs, and is occasionally seen on PBS-TV, and the History and National Geographic Channels. Links: Doug Elliott’s Bandcamp page, where you can listen to and download all of his full length albums and story recordings: https://dougelliott.bandcamp.com/ Doug Elliott’s website and blog: https://dougelliott.com/ Doug Elliott’s Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKpxmzq7RqmnGeW2R0UnfpQ Todd Elliott’s ‘Mushrooms of the Southeast’ book mentioned in the podcast
Article on Bessie Jones, whom Doug mentions in a story on the podcast, national treasure and African American singer (also see video alongside others, displayed on blog post page for this episode)
Support the podcast on Patreon to contribute monthly to our grassroots self-funding of this project For one time donations to support this podcast: Paypal : paypal.me/petitfawn VENMO:
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Episode #65 of the Ground Shots Podcast is a conversation with Dave Meesters and Janet Kent of the Terra Sylva School of Botanical Medicine out of Madison County, North Carolina.
https://www.ofsedgeandsalt.com/podcastblog/terrasylvaschool
After trying to get together for a conversation all summer, we finally met up in the early fall at Dave and Janet’s herbalism school classroom at the Marshall High Studios, in Marshall, North Carolina. It was a frigid fall day and when I arrived, they had tea going and snacks out on a table in their beautifully lit and decorated studio space. It was obviously curated and inhabited by herbalists.
Dave and Janet run the Terra Sylva School of Botanical Medicine with Jen Stovall, and have a clinical herbalism practice in the rural area where they live and the nearby city of Asheville, NC.
Dave Meesters grew up in Miami, Florida and attended college at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He moved to Asheville, North Carolina in the winter of 1998. In 2003, his formal herbal training began with an apprenticeship with CoreyPine Shane at the Blue Ridge School of Herbal Medicine, and since then his experience has included organizing and staffing a free clinic in New Orleans in the months after hurricane Katrina, and starting and practicing at a free clinic in Asheville’s homeless day shelter. Dave has plans to be involved with another herbal free or low-cost clinic in the future, but until then he sees clients privately and provides care to the mountain folks in his rural Appalachian neighborhood, most of whom would rather see an herbalist than a doctor.
From 2013 to 2016, Dave was, with Janet, the director and primary instructor at the Terra Sylva School’s summer apprenticeship program, which was held on the communal mountain land where he resides before the school moved to Marshall. He and Janet are the founders of Medicine County Herbs, an herb apothecary, medicinal plant nursery, and blog.
Dave sees herbalism as a way to provide a more appropriate, accessible, pleasurable, and effective form of health care than the dominant model, and as a means to bond and integrate ourselves with plants, the garden, and the wilds. His herbalism is wedded to a life-long resistance to the forces of domination and alienation, especially domination of and alienation from Nature. His practice and his teaching reflect a deep evolving holism attained by listening to, honoring, embracing, and collaborating with the whole of Nature, and by his study of the threads connecting holistic physiology, energetics, ecology, gardening, systems theory, magic, alchemy and permaculture.
Janet Kent is a clinical and community herbalist, educator, gardener and writer. The child of two naturalists, Janet grew up in the foothills of the Blue Ridge mountains, learning the amazing diversity of regional wild flowers at an early age. She began studying the medicinal uses of plants when she moved to a rich Appalachian cove high in the mountains of Madison county, North Carolina fifteen years ago. She did not set out to become an herbalist, but as she learned over the years in her forest home, if we are open, we do not change the land we inhabit as much as it changes us. The transformative healing power of the plants around her turned an interest into a calling.
The vast power to heal through reconnection is the medicine she most seeks to share. Whenever possible, she encourages her students and clients to grow their own herbs, to make their own medicine, and most of all, to experience the more-than-human world first hand. Here is where deep, foundational healing is most profound.
Janet views herbal medicine as a means of reconnecting to the long tradition of plant medicine in rural Appalachia. This tradition has become more relevant with the ailing state of the dominant health care system and the rising cost of herbal medicine. Janet considers herbalism the best option for addressing injustice in health care. Herbalists, being outside the biomedical system, can avoid its inequalities. Affordable care, medicine and education are central to this paradigm.
In addition to being co-founder and a core faculty member at the Terra Sylva School of Botanical Medicine, Janet also runs a medicinal and native plant nursery, apothecary and blog, Medicine County Herbs with Dave.
Terra Sylva combines the experience of herbalists who’ve done their work in very different regions: rural Appalachia and the city of New Orleans. Dave Meesters and Janet Kent founded and run Medicine County Herbs in the mountains of North Carolina and publish the Radical Vitalism blog, while Jen Stovall is one of the herbalists behind the Crescent City’s Maypop Community Herb Shop. Despite the geographical separation, this team have been partners in herbalism for over a decade, going back to the first herb classes Jen & Dave taught together in New Orleans in 2004. The Terra Sylva School fulfills a dream we’ve nurtured for a long time, to meld our diverse strengths and perspectives to create a comprehensive, dynamic program well-suited to equip and inspire the next generation of herbalists to practice in the 21st century. Our teaching reflects both Janet & Dave’s land-based herbalism practiced in a rural setting and Jen’s experience caring for folks in the big city.
In this conversation with Dave and Janet, we talk about:some of the culture of the holler Dave and Janet live in deep in southern Appalachia
pros and cons of living remotely in Appalachia
how herbalism tied them to the land they live on and kept them there when other folks involved in the land project didn’t stay
teaching herbalism online vs. in person
the magic of tuning into one small piece of land year after year
Dave and Janet’s wild-tending and land-tending work over 20 years in Madison county
the problem with human misanthropy in punk culture or the ‘humans suck’ mentality
the importance of human tending on land and Appalachia specifically
the effects of capitalism on wild harvest of medicinal plants and the complex nuances of this, and effects Michael Moore’s books and teachings had on wild plant populations like Yerba Mansa
we geek out on Pedicularis as an example of a plant that is tricky to wildcraft because of its inability to be cultivated
some of Dave and Janet’s views on ‘invasive plants’ and land-tending and the responsibility of human engagement
why it is important to ask where the garden begins and ends?
how land-tending and restoration can’t be about going back to a past that is impossible to recreate due to loss of topsoil and keystone species (think Chestnuts in the east) but about working with a compass of creating diversity and resilience in a rapidly changing world, tending to baselines of the past and ever-shifting baselines of present
What can disempowering the engines of disruption with other disruption look like?
some thoughts on changes in ‘western’ herbalism from a focus on the individual to a focus on the collective and cultural mending
using ‘biomedicine’ vs. ‘allopathic’ to describe mainstream western medicine and some history around the use of these words
Dave and Janet’s podcast ‘The Book on Fire,’ what it focuses on and why they facilitate it
we do a mini overview of the book ‘The Caliban and the Witch,’ a book they review and deconstruct on their podcast (book linked in Link list below)
Links:Terra Sylva School of Botanical Medicine
Radical Vitalism essay by Janet and Dave on their underlying philosophy
To Fulfill the Promise of Herbalism Dave's piece on the power and potential for grassroots herbalism
Uncontrollable Night: Herbs for Grief Janet's piece on working with herbs to ease the phases of grief
The Book on Fire podcast
“The Caliban and the Witch: Women, the Body and Primitive Accumulation” book by Silvia Federici mentioned on the podcast, reviewed in detail by Dave and Janet on their podcast ‘The Book on Fire’
“Rambunctious Garden: Saving Nature in a Post-Wild World” by Emma Marris, briefly mentioned in the podcast, also mentioned in GSP Episode #53 : Wild Tending Series / Gabe and Kelly on ecological history, anthropogenic landscapes and the negative side of conservation
Mountain Gardens, a regional Appalachian botanical sanctuary run by Joe Hollis mentioned on the podcast
Mountain Gardens Youtube Channel, mentioned on the podcast
Donna Haraway “Staying with the Trouble”, mentioned in the podcast, a book Dave and Janet review on their podcast ‘The Book on Fire’
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