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The Kendrick Brothers are back. Today we talk about having fun with other guys AND men's discipleship.
The new movie "The Forge" is out at theaters now and the movie has a strong Iron Sharpens Iron theme and shows how one man and a group of men can help other men become better leaders, providers and friends.
We talk a bit about a future movie coming out called On Fire and what can be learned as we go through our own fires.
And yes, we do talk about the Death Crawl scene in Facing the Giants!
-What is a misconception about men's discipleship and what should it look like?
-How do you keep making movies? What is your process like?
-Who gets to define what success is?
-What can you do to make an impact? It can be simple.
Challenge: How can I love you better?
And there is a bonus challenge: Lord is there anything that stands in the way of me being closer to you?
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Excited to share this episode with you. Last year, I got to see an early screening of THE FORGE with The Kendrick Brothers and some of the actors. You may have seen some of The Kendrick Brothers movies: FACING THE GIANTS, WAR ROOM, FIREPROOF, OVERCOMER, COURAGEOUS and others.
Their new movie comes on 8/23/2024! Please get your tickets today. Great to see with your family or a group of friends.
On this episode, we talk about fears, spiritual warfare, how they got into movies, discipleship, Adam Wainwright, and of course the new movie.
A short bit about the movie:
The Forge tells the story of Isaiah Wright, a 19 year old who lives for basketball and video games. A year out of high school, he still has no job, no plans and no idea of how to be a man. At odds with his single mom, he was given an ultimatum - to step up or move out.
And Isaiah is forced to deal with his past, sacrifice his selfishness and discover how God might have a great purpose for his life.
The cast of THE FORGE includes familiar farces such as Priscila Shirer (WAR ROOM, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE), Cameron Arnett (OVERCOMER, STAND YOUR GROUND), Karen Abercrombie (WAR ROOM, GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY VOL. 3) and newcomer Aspen Kennedy.
How you can help: #1 Go see the movie! Opening weekend is very important. By doing so, it helps boost the sales numbers which encourages the movie theaters to add more showing times and to keep it in the theater for a longer time. #2 Share the movie with family, friends, and share on social media. If you like the movie, lots of your friends and family will too!
I think you'll enjoy the movie and I'll be uploading another episode with the Kendrick Brothers very soon. Hope you listen to that one and also let me know what you think of the podcast by writing a review on Apple Podcast!
Thank you for listening and sharing the show with dads you care about!
Watch the Teaser Trailer for THE FORGE - HERE
Website link for THE FORGE and the Buy Tickets link - HERE
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Husband, father, Marine, K9 Officer and A&E Top Dog Champion, Sgt Mark Tappan joins us this week. He's got over 5,000,000 Social Media followers and has written a couple of books.
Mark felt a calling to move across the country and start over in a new city. He shares an incredible story about an arrest he and his dog Mattis were involved in. It had me on the edge of my seat when I read it. I couldn't read fast enough!
The two things mark aims to do as a Police Officer are to Glorify God and make others safe. He seeks Justice and walks Humbly as he does this.
-How does parents attitudes towards police officers affect our children?
-What are some things we can do to help protect our children now and in the future?
-Why should we live with Excellence and Integrity?
-How does Mark hear from God?
He shares a funny story about the first time he prayed the sinner's prayer.
This Week's Challenge: Find a teachable moment this week and share some of your insight with your children. Use this as a way to guide them and also build connection with them. Bonus points: You can look to share about the most important relationship you'll ever have.
Check out Mark's books HERE
His two books are: A Dog Named Mattis: 12 Lessons for Living Courageously, Serving Selflessly, and Building Bridges from a Heroic K9 Officer and a kids book called K9 Mattis on the Job: A Day in the Life of a Police Dog
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Sam lives in Colorado with his wife and three sons. He's into camping, flyfishing and CrossfFit. His new book, "The Sex Talk You Never Got", was written to help men get past sexual struggle and John Eldredge (Author of Wild at Heart) says this book is "...the most important book on sexuality that you will ever read."
This book helps men:
regain a vigorous and vibrant sexuality with the context of God's design understand how purity culture has needlessly put men into a state of conflict trade shame and confusion for a sexuality of innocence and wonder confront porn use and lust through the lens of God's kindness and find the path to freedomOn this episode we talk about how children get harmed and the effects of this. As parents, we need to be aware of what happened to us and also how to protect and guide our children. This is an important topic to talk about since 80% of men struggle with lust regularly.
-How can we learn how to respond instead of react?
-What are some Biblical examples that we might relate to?
-Where does our guilt and shame come from and what happens to our nervous system when shame kicks in?
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Beth McCord is an accomplished Enneagram speaker, author, coach and teacher with over 2 decades of dedicated experience. Her passion lies in helping individuals rewrite their life stories, empowering them to realize that lasting change and meaningful relationships are possible.
I first became aware of Beth through her book, Becoming Us: Using the Enneagram to Create a Thriving Gospel-Centered Marriage and I was thrilled to be able to interview her about her new book.
My goal during this conversation was to help husbands understand how our wife's core motivations and desires shape her personality. And when we seek to understand our wife, we can grow in connection.
Men are simple and the Enneagram is a tool that can help us understand our wife, kids and others personality type which can help us communicate and connect at a higher level.
-Is there a cheat sheet at the back of the book?
-What did God create you, your wife and your kids to be?
-How can I learn why my wife does what she does by learning about her Core Fears, Desires, Weaknesses and Strengths?
-What is Confrontational Intimacy?
Check out Beth McCord's new book The Enneagram for Moms HERE
Link to Tyler Zach's Should Christians Use the Enneagram Video HERE
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I helped write a book called Notes From Dad - Amazon Link HERE
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Andy Dooley joins us today. He is committed to empowering today's families as a passionate leader, pastor and fitness professional. He has been working with young people and families for over 18 years through sports, fitness and ministry. He is a Men's Health contributor and he is the author of Walk in Faith: 5 Minute Devotional for Teen Guys, Building a Family of Faith and Lead with Faith, Play with Purpose; A 100-Day Devotional for Athletes.
-Have you ever wanted to avoid sounding like a fool?
-What is a book of the Bible that is a cheat code for life?
-What are some family habits that work for you?
-Do you feel like you could be in a better mood more often?
-Have you ever wanted to help your child grow in faith, wisdom and perservearance through sports?
He noticed in college that college students and business leaders had similar challenges. In his new book he shares stories that we all can relate to and learn from and he speaks from a Biblical perspective. Devotionals are bite sized ways you can take in God's wisdom.
Check out Andy Dooley's New Book Lead with Faith, Play with Purpose HERE
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My wife has a kid's book that is hilarious! Here is the Amazon link for the book Nate Saves the World
I wrote a chapter of a book called Notes from Dad, check it out HERE
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Gary Thomas has been on my wish list for quite some time! His books have helped me have a better marriage.
Husbands and wives stumble in many ways and sometimes we have struggles with toxic people. Gary says, "All toxic people are difficult, but not every difficult person is toxic."
Today we talk about how to cherish our wife, toxic relationships, expectations and of course Biblical wisdom on how to live our lives well.
When should I walk away from a toxic person and what are some permissible boundaries I can have with family members?
How do I know God is speaking to me?
Did you promise to Cherish your wife on your wedding day? If so, have you thought about what that means?
Why should we have Qualitative goals for our marriage vs Quantitive goals?
What can church do for us and what can we do for the church?
Are you looking for something more out of life OR want to email a comment about the podcast? If so, email me. Would love to hear what's going on and see how I can help. [email protected]
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Community Builder and Storyteller, Matt "Ralph" Crossman joins us on this episode to share with us some stories from his life and lessons that he has learned as a man and a dad.
Loneliness is killing us, middle-aged men. And as a solopreneur, "Ralph" has intentionally help create community and connections by organizing workouts, adventure trips and challenges for men to engage in and connect at.
"Ralph" is famously know for creating MABA, Make America Burpee Again. Over 400 F3 men participated in January 2024 and did over 3,000,000 burpees that month. It's a simple challenge. 100 burpees a day, every day in January.
"Ralph" has discovered you can't be lonely if you are doing 100 burpees a day with friends. MABA also helps raise money for charity and has raised close to $100,000 in 5 years.
Doing things that make him uncomfortable and trying things that he isn't sure he can do has been an important part of his life. It helps keep life exciting, helps him stay in shape and most importantly allows him to connect with friends and family.
He routinely adds his wife and daughters into his adventures when they are willing. He share some stories of what he has learned as a husand and dad through his family.
And "Ralph" and I just helped write a book called Notes from Dad. A group of dads came together to write a book that shares stories and insights from our lives to help inspire and guide dads, moms and kids to lead purposeful lives that focus on what truly matters. This book just released last week and hit the #1 International Best-Seller rank on launch day. Truly incredible!
-When was the last time you did something for the first time?
-How do you do to keep excitement and community in your life?
-What do you to connect with other men and your family?
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Ever wanted to do something that you felt was impossible? Or wanted to do, but crippled with fear or something else stopping you? Or had so many speed bumps, potholes and locked doors in your way that you wanted to quit?
Today, what felt impossible actually happened!
Jason "Cherry Limeade" joins us on his book launch day! And mine! Yes, I wrote a chapter in this book that I am excited for dads to read.
Excited to share this book with you. Jason decided years ago that he wanted to make a difference and help dads become better dads! He started blogging over 10 years ago and a few years ago he decided to compile and Dad Anthology book.
He tells some great stories about how this book came together, how God literally saved his life one day and much more.
Today is Launch Day! I'd be grateful if you would consider buying this book today! And I'd love it if you would share this podcast and book with your friends.
I poured my heart and soul into what I wrote! And I know Jason devoted a few years of his life putting this book together!
Buy the Book Notes From Dad on Amazon HERE
You don't need a Kindle device to read the book
Thank you again for your support! I appreciate each and every one of you!
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Davey Blackburn joins us and shares a story about the day his world fell apart. He vulnerably shares the details of that day and his thoughts.
We talk about marriage, radical forgiveness, God's grace and mercy and virtues he works on with his kids.
-How is God a good and loving God if he allows bad things to happen?
-How did you keep your church going while you were disabled by grief?
-Have you ever felt triggered? Where do those feelings come from?
-What kind of questions do people ask when tragedy strikes and what kind of questions would be helpful?
Davey shares a cool quote, "Faith is living without scheming".
He thought he was supposed to plant a church, live a good life and retire. However God had different plans and Davey's company now helps people move through their Pain and into their Purpose.
Check out Davey Blackburn's website HERE
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***What's your plan to talk to your children about Sex? Are you equipped? Do you have the confidence to talk to your kids about this topic? Can you empower your kids with wholesome Christian thinking? If you'd like some help, check out The Sex Talk HERE. This is a great course that will equip you! Use DISCOUNT CODE: THEJOURNEY10 to receive 10% off.***
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Welcome back! Sorry for the wait for John Michael Talbot Part 2!
He spoke about his Journey from RockStar to Monk on part one. He shares his thoughts about the world, Western Christianity and more on this episode.
How important is it to confess your sins? In his community, they also confess their thoughts and temptations.
What is a prayer that he says and recommends others say? The Jesus Prayer - "Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy of on me."
What is a tool that we can use to help us forgive others?
What is the control tower for the soul?
What are the 8 thoughts (vices/passions) that are the precursors to the 7 Cardinal Sins? And what can we do about these thoughts?
He challenges us to love our wives and our families.
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***What's your plan to talk to your children about Sex? Are you equipped? Do you have the confidence to talk to your kids about this topic? Can you empower your kids with wholesome Christian thinking? If you'd like some help, check out The Sex Talk HERE. This is a great course that will equip you! Use Discount Code: THEJOURNEY10 to receive 10% off.***
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Multi-platinum selling Grammy/Dove award winning Contemporary Christian Music pioneer John Michael Talbot joins us today.
He was a country rock pioneer with his band Mason Proffit that was on track to be a Supergroup when their hit song was banned from radio stations. Mason Proffit opened up for the Eagles and Aerosmith.
We talk about his childhood growing up playing baseball, getting into to music, drugs, sex and rock n' roll. And we talk about how he was born again and his part in the Jesus Revolution.
He studied many different religions including Buddhism, Muslim, and mystical ones. We talk about why he chose Christianity and how he became a monk.
-What seperates Jesus from other religious leaders from other religions?
-What does it mean to be contemplative?
-What is a big problem when Christians form communities?
-What does the daily life look like in a monaestic community?
-What did John Michael learn from Dorotheus of Gaza that made a huge difference in his life and his community?
Part 2 dives deep into the anti-dotes for the Cardinal Sins, a near death experience and how to control your thoughts and pray without ceasing.
Thank you for sharing The Journey of a Christian Podcast with dads you care about!
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***What's your plan to talk to your children about Sex? Are you equipped? Do you have confidence to talk to your kids about this topic? Can you empower your kids with wholesome Christian thinking? If you'd like some help, check out The Sex Talk. This is a great course that will help you. Use Discount Code: THEJOURNEY10 to receive 10% off.****
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Kent Evans connected me to Nick Liberto a couple of years ago and I've been wanting to have Nick on the podcast ever since. Finally!
Nick has a course called The Sex Talk!
Catchy title, but I instantly thought that it's not just one talk you have with your kids....
Well, we get into that and more on this episode. He's collected some of the greatest Christian thought leaders and put their best into his course.
-Some parents think this is a topic that can easily be ignored.
-Some parents think, we've got plenty of time to get around to this topic with our kids.
-And some parents just feel like they aren't equipped to have this conversation.
We discuss these thoughts and what parents can do to prepare, protect and be a guide for their children.
And we also talk about connecting with your wife and having a better intimate relationship with her.
Check out Nick's course, The Sex Talk! HERE
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Thank you for listening and for your support! If I can help you in anyway, please let me know. My email address is [email protected]
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Blessed to have Patrick Morley back with us again. He's the author of The Man in the Mirror: Solving the 24 Problems Men Face. That book has sold over 4 Million Copies.
He is here today to share with us some insights from his new book, From Broken Boy to Mended Man: A Positive Plan to Heal Your Childhood Wounds and Break the Cycle.
When Patrick was 53, his mom died and Patrick had no emotional reaction during that time. He knew something was wrong and he hired a
While reading this book, I thought about how I was raised, but also about how I interact with my children, wife, family and friends. Often, our actions today can be traced back to our childhood.
"If you are trying to solve the wrong problem, you can only succeed by accident." - Patrick Morley
-What are some signs of a Broken Boy?
-How can you heal from your childhood wounds and break free from destructive, dysfunctional cycles that hold you back?
-How can you shift to a more compassionate view of your parents (even if they are gone) and reach a place of real forgiveness?
-How can you better parent your children so hurtful patterns are not repeated?
-What does a Healthy Male Behavior look like?
-Are you a Passive Parent? Absent Parent? Permissive Parent? Angry Parent? Demanding Parent? Enabling Parent? Belittlinng Parent?
-Is the story I am telling myself serving me?
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Something new for parents... THE SEX TALK (Heliping Kids Have The Sex Talk With Their Kids). Use Code "TheJourney10" to get 10% off. Check it out HERE
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Brett Snodgrass joins us today and we talk about The Secret War Within. I really enjoyed reading this book.
Brett's had a lot of business success as a real estate investor. He says, "Success shouldn't be the end goal. It should only serve as a platform to make a greater impact in the world."
I love interviewing Christ-Following Entrepeneurs like Brett.
On this episode we talk about Isolation vs Solitude, our desire to know and be known, vulnerability, daily habits and so much more.
-How do you go with God and others?
-What's the difference between Isolation and Solitude?
-How did Christ spend his time?
There is a challenge for you to do at the end of this episode designed to help you get better this week!
Connect with Brett at his website Iron Deep
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Husbands, we should encourage our wives to do things that make them come alive! And that's why I promote my wife's children's books. Nate Saves the World is the Funniest Dad Joke kids book ever. Check Cori Luigs's books out on Amazon HERE
Thank you for listening AND please leave a review on Apple, Spotify or Audible if you haven't already. The show grows when you review and share it with other guys! Thank you for reviewing and sharing!
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Britt Lee and Brad Williams are fellow podcasters and fathers united by a common passion for helping young athletes become the best version of themselves in sports and life. From this passion, their Pure Athlete podcast with former MLB player Jeff Francouer, came to life.
Britt is married and has 4 kids, one played Division 1 tennis. He runs his own brand messaging/consulting business since 2007 and is the Author of "Parenting the Pure Athlete".
Brad Williams has a career in the sports industry, working for a major sports agency before running his own successful sports marketing business. Brad has worked as a high school Athletics Director at a private, Christian school in Atlanta. Brad is married and has six kids.
Today, we talk about Championing our kids to develop critical skills to success in sports and life, connecting with our kids through sports, developing competive athletes on the field and off, navigating the complex culture of youth sports and more!
-What are some mistakes parents make?
-How can we make the most of our relationship with our kids during their sports career?
-Listener question: How can we get our kids to practice outside of scheduled team practices or with a private coach?
-What is the worst part of the week for a lot of kid athletes?
-Should we do our best to get rid of challenges our child could encounter?
-What is the antidote to Selfish Pride? Philippians 2:3-4
Check out Pure Athlete Podcast website HERE
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Are you doing Exodus 90? I'd like to hear about your thoughts about it and also this show. My email is [email protected]
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Giji joins us today to talk about the Father/Child Relationship and how to heal and restore those relationships.
You could think of this as how to repair relationships with your parents, your kids or even have a mindset to prevent damaging in these relationships.
Giji met her dad when she was 17. Of course she had many unresolved issues from not growing up with her dad and now she's helping others develop great relationships by showing them the way to heal small and large relationship fractures.
Today we talk about Manhood missing in churces, how to break free from generational patterns and much more.
-How are we called to love our wife?
-What are some characterists of a healthy leader?
-What are 3 Principles that are necessary to heal and restore?
-What does it look and feel like to identify as a Son of God?
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Welcome back from Christmas Break! Hope you had a great time with family and celebrated Jesus birthday!
Jared Haley joins us from Strong By Design Podcast and Critical Bench. He's got 4 children and been married for 14 years. Jared has a Master's Degree in Transformational Leadership and Spiritual Formation, and has been in professional ministry for over 20 years.
Here are some questions we talk about and I'd love to hear your answers too! Email me at [email protected]
-What are some Christmas traditions in your household? What would you like to start?
-What are some of your favorite books to be a better dad/leader/Christ Follower?
-How can you make your home a Sanctuary? (What is a Sanctuary and Why is that important?)
-How have you and your wife made each other feel like a priority?
-What are some habits you have that help you grow closer to Christ?
And check out The Challenge at the end of the podcast! Can you do it???
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And their YouTube Channel HERE
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As always; thank you for listening, sharing, commenting and posting reviews on Apple Podcasts and your favorite podcast players! God Bless you and your families!
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Don Ross joins us today to talk about helping our sons understand what it takes to be a man. He saw that boys don't know what it takes to become a man. Often, they have the wrong understanding and are confused.
Don's created Manhood Tribes to help dads and sons connect with others through his First Tribe: Path to Manhood community. He designed a Right of Passage kit that is easy to use with your family.
On this episode, we discuss what it takes to be a man and the 5 Traits of a Man.
-What are some common misconceptions of what a Christian Man is?
-What are the 3 things a boy needs?
-Why do you use Traits of a man instead of Roles of a man to help boys know what they need to become on their road to becoming men?
-What's an example of a challenge for a sont to do inside of First Tribe?
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The 100th Interview Episode!!! We've interviewed 100 people to help us on our Journey as a Christian Dad. Grateful you are with us on the Journey!
On this episode; Dr Gary Chapman joins us to talk about his new book, 5 Traits of a Healthy Family and also about applying The 5 Love Languages in your life.
The 5 Love Languages book has sold over 20,000,000 copies so far and every year it sells move books than the year before. Serious momentum! If you haven't read that one, I highly suggest that book.
We talk share some stories about challenges we face and how to have a healthy family by developing 5 traits. You may feel encouraged that you are doing well in some areas and also find some areas of opportunity to grow when you listen to this one.
- Is your wife your #1 Priority? And should she be?
- What is Creative Teaching/Training and how did Paul Goldschmidt (2022 NL MVP) use this recently?
- How can we discipline without anger?
- Key question: What if my kids turn out like me? Think this one through in each area of your life.
Of course we finish the episode with a challenge from Dr Gary Chapman and there is some bonus content at the end of this episode!
Thank you for listening, participating in our Facebook Group, sharing this podcast with others and rating/reviewing the podcast!!!
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