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In this episode, Mawer portfolio managers and analysts discuss what they fundamentally look for in a bank as an investment. Specifically, how they view banks and the industry trends, as well as local dynamics, and ultimately what makes each of these businesses both unique and attractive. David Ragan discusses Scandinavian banks, highlighting Handelsbanken's smart lending and DNB's stability. Josh Samuel analyzes DBS in Singapore, emphasizing its low cost of funds and high ROE. Grayson Witcher focuses on J.P. Morgan in the U.S., noting its strong management and unique financial assets, while Alex Romaines examines First Citizens Bank in the U.S., which capitalized on market turmoil. Mark Rutherford covers Canadian banks, noting their conservative strategies and high ROE. Siying Li discusses HDFC Bank in India, and Asim Hussain explores Mitsubishi UFJ in Japan, emphasizing their unique upward-sloping yield curve.
The ideal bank investment is stable, lends to reliable clients, and operates in a rational, well-regulated market. Diversification in lending, funding, and economic exposure helps prevent insolvency and builds resilience, crucial in a highly leveraged industry. The Scandinavian banking environment is stable and well-regulated, with rational competition and prudent lending. Banks like Sweden's Handelsbanken and Norway's DNB provide consistent returns, low loan losses, and steady growth, supported by smaller, consolidated markets and strong economic stability. DBS in Singapore sustains strong net interest margins and 15–16% ROE. Strong management boosts investor returns through higher payouts, reducing risks from limited growth in foreign markets. U.S. banks face intense competition with little brand differentiation, often competing on interest rates alone. While experienced in managing risk, they are vulnerable in recessions. Banks trade at lower valuations than other sectors due to weaker competitive advantage. J.P. Morgan stands out in the U.S. market due to its strong management, high returns, low leverage, and strategic acquisitions during downturns. It diversifies through unique assets, investment banking, and asset management, enhancing resilience. The U.S. banking industry is fragmented and competitive, with a history of crises. Fragility creates opportunities for well-managed banks trading below intrinsic value. Canadian banks are highly consolidated and operate with a leveraged model, lending and raising equity. They now generate significant revenue from wealth management and insurance, reducing dependence on loan spreads. Strong regulatory relationships foster stability, with banks earning attractive returns while supporting economic growth. HDFC Bank, India’s largest private bank, has strong management and benefits from a growing economy. With low non-performing loans and high ROE, it continues gaining market share from public sector banks, despite short-term challenges from its recent acquisition. Mitsubishi UFJ, Japan's largest bank, has a rich history and significant market share. With an upward-sloping yield curve and a focus on digitalization, it stands to benefit from rising interest rates, driving potential profit growth despite past challenges in the Japanese banking sector.
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Host: Andrew Johnson, CFA, Mawer Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guests: David Ragan, CFA, Mawer Portfolio Manager, Joshua Samuel, CFA, Mawer Equity Analyst, Grayson Witcher, CFA, AB Mawer Portfolio Manager, Alex Romaines, CFA, Mawer Equity Analyst, Mark Rutherford, CFA, Mawer Portfolio Manager, Siying, CFA, Mawer Equity Analyst, Asim Hussain, CFA, Mawer Equity Analyst
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In this episode, Peter Lampert, lead portfolio manager of the International Equity Strategy, discusses the recent Chinese stimulus and its effects on emerging markets. He highlights key long-term risks in China, including weak sentiment, regulatory challenges, and geopolitical tensions, while emphasizing the potential of companies like Tencent and Tencent Music. The conversation also covers Turkey's Bim, a discount retailer thriving amid economic uncertainty. Peter explains how the portfolio's success stems from stock selection, especially with stealth performers like Vietnam’s FPT and Taiwan’s IGS, and the importance of balancing macro risks with company-specific growth potential.
Key Takeaways:
•China's recent stimulus signals a shift from restrictive policies to boosting economic growth, leveraging the U.S. Fed's easing cycle to inject liquidity and stabilize the economy.
•The stimulus could mitigate three key challenges: weak consumer sentiment, regulatory uncertainty, and geopolitical risks. While long-term issues persist, the focus on growth reduces the likelihood of worst-case scenarios in the near term.
•Macro factors and bottom-up analysis are deeply intertwined in portfolio decisions. As risks shift, so do portfolio positions.
•Higher macro risks in China lead to applying higher discount rates and requiring better ROI. Growth projections for economically sensitive companies are adjusted lower due to structural challenges, leading to exits when valuations no longer meet the stricter risk criteria.
•Companies with independent growth drivers can perform well despite China's economic challenges, as they are less reliant on the broader economy and can thrive even in a weaker market environment.
•One example is Tencent, whose strong management, dominant WeChat position, and conservative monetization approach offer growth opportunities. Despite China's economic challenges, Tencent can pull monetization levers, making its valuation attractive amid broader pessimism.
•This year’s strong performance of the emerging markets portfolio has been driven by careful stock selection, focusing on lesser-known "stealth performers" like FPT, IGS, and Aegis Logistics, which consistently generate shareholder value.
•Peter highlighted one such performer: Bim, a Turkish discount retailer. Bim has thrived despite economic challenges. With Turkey's economic outlook improving, Bim is positioned for long-term success as it continues to offer value to consumers.
Host: Rob Campbell, CFA, Mawer Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guest: Peter Lampert, CFA, Mawer Portfolio Manager
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In this episode, Steven Visscher, lead manager of the balanced strategies, discusses the impact of rising interest rates and inflation on the balanced portfolio in recent years, Mawer’s disciplined and collaborative approach to portfolio construction, and the importance of having a long-term perspective. He spoke about recent changes and additions to the balanced portfolio and provided an update on the performance of the balanced portfolio thus far in 2024.
Over the last four years, interest rates and inflation have had the most significant impact on the capital markets and the performance of the balanced strategies. Following a surge of inflation in 2022, central banks aggressively hiked rates, which led to the first meaningful loss in a balanced strategy since 2008. After being called into question in 2022, 60/40 portfolios bounced back in 2023 and 2024 following positive fixed income returns, helping support the overall balanced strategy. So far, the market recovery has been led by a narrow subset of businesses, most notably technology companies that are part of the euphoria around artificial intelligence (AI). These companies have experienced extraordinary returns and lifted benchmarks to new heights. However, some of the Mawer balanced strategies weren't heavily exposed to those industries and have continued to trail their benchmarks on a relative basis. Steven and his team think in a probabilistic way meaning that they are intellectually open to the fact that there are many scenarios that could unfold, and they want to have a certain amount of resilience regardless of the scenario. The neutral stance of the balanced portfolio reflects the uncertainty of the current environment. The team’s base case scenario is that a recession may unfold over the next six to 12 months. A small portion of capital from the U.S. equity strategy, which is more heavily biased toward larger U.S. businesses, has been shifted to a fairly new asset class, the U.S. mid-cap segment due to a valuation gap. From a balanced perspective, the goal isn't to eliminate risk; it's to manage it.
Key Takeaways:Host: Andrew Johnson, CFA, Mawer Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guest: Steven Visscher, CFA, Mawer Portfolio Manager
For more details and full transcript visit: https://mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcastThis episode is available for download anywhere you get your podcasts.
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Portfolio Manager Crista Caughlin discusses the economy and factors that drove markets in the third quarter of 2024.
Key points from this episode:
In the third quarter, most central banks either continued cutting rates – like the European Central Bank and the Bank of Canada – or started cutting rates – like the U.S. Federal Reserve. Inflation risks have diminished and downside risks to growth and employment have increased, so central banks are responding with easier policy. Crista believes the Bank of Canada will continue to make 25 basis point cuts at future meetings, but a 50-basis point cut is potentially on the table thanks to the Fed’s more aggressive cut. Because central banks are easing policy and the market expects them to continue to do so, the yield curve has started to normalize. All else equal, a faster, more aggressive central bank reduces the probability of a recession. The third quarter was a Goldilocks scenario. Growth was weak enough to allow central banks to ease policy, which is really good for bonds and interest-rate-sensitive equity sectors, but it was not so weak that there were obvious signs of a recession. Regardless of whether central bank easing corresponded to a recession or a soft landing, equities have historically gone higher and spreads tighter after the first central bank cut. One of the main questions on Crista’s mind going into the fourth quarter: How long will growth and policy be tailwinds driving the markets?Host: Kevin Minas, CFA, MBA, CAIA, Mawer Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guest: Crista Caughlin, CFA, Mawer Portfolio ManagerFor more details and full transcript visit: https://mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast
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In this episode, Peter Lampert, lead portfolio manager of the International Equity Strategy, provides insights on the team’s investment process, the state of the portfolio, and the main drivers that are currently having an outsized impact on performance, namely, semiconductors, obesity medicines, and defense companies. He details his team’s rigorous approach to evaluating management teams from both a quantitative and qualitative standpoint, providing an in-depth example of Hitachi. The conversation concludes with a brief discussion of the current macro environment.
Key Takeaways:
As enthusiasm surrounding artificial intelligence continues to grow, semiconductor companies have strong competitive advantages and dominant market share in their niche industries. According to the team’s DCF model, the long-term growth rates of companies like TSCM have increased, so they have trimmed back some positions to manage risks. With Novo Nordisk leading the way, the growing market for obesity drugs is expected to become the largest therapeutic drug class as more and more companies look to enter the space. Amid ongoing geopolitical conflicts, there is a strong long-term investment case for select European defense companies, as European governments increase defense spending to protect Western values. Regarding areas of opportunity, Peter highlighted the theme of improved corporate governance in Japan as companies in the country aim to meet global standards. When evaluating a company’s management team from a qualitative perspective, there are four defining elements: Strategy, operational excellence, capital allocation, and trustworthiness.Host: Rob Campbell, CFA, Mawer Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guest: Peter Lampert, CFA, Mawer Portfolio ManagerThis episode is available for download anywhere you get your podcasts.
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In this episode, Grayson Witcher, the lead manager of the U.S. Equity Strategy, discusses the key drivers currently impacting the U.S. economy, including inflation, interest rates, artificial intelligence, and the upcoming presidential election. He emphasizes the importance of diversification and avoiding sharp edges—particularly during an election year. Grayson outlines the importance of and reasoning for his team’s practice of monitoring company management changes in real-time and the value of investing in companies with strong leadership.
The three big themes driving the U.S. market over the past six months are interest rates and inflation, artificial intelligence, and the election. While food, energy, and goods inflation has fallen, service inflation is proving to be a bit stickier, as it entails things like car insurance, rent, and medical services. Wage inflation has also remained relatively strong. With artificial intelligence, there is no denying the initial hype and surrounding success of the excitement for companies like NVIDIA. However, the question remains as to whether the trend will continue or start to fizzle out, similar to other technology trends from the 90s and 2000s. Regarding the upcoming U.S. election, both candidates’ agendas could impact the economy in inflationary ways, though the impacts would differ depending on the prevailing candidate. For Grayson, his election strategy for the portfolio is to prepare, not predict. He avoids sharp edges, which are the industries and companies that are highly dependent on one outcome, and leans into diversification. Within the U.S. portfolio, there are two main ways the team diversifies the single-country portfolio: diversification by geography and by industry or sub-industry. For long-term investors, management and culture drive a significant amount of value because they reinvest the cash flows generated by these businesses, and they are responsible for managing risk.
Key Takeaways:Host: Andrew Johnson, CFA, Mawer Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guest: Grayson Witcher, CFA, AB, Mawer Portfolio Manager
For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/the-u-s-equity-landscape-inflation-artificial-intelligence-and-elections-ep166
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In this episode of the podcast, credit analyst Curtis Elkington provides a comprehensive overview of the $50 trillion global commercial real estate market. He covers the current headwinds facing various property sectors, such as pandemic-induced challenges in the office sector and touches on the surprising resilience of the retail segment. Elkington sheds light on the complexities of the commercial mortgage-backed securities market and details the credit analysis process his team uses to evaluate potential investments with examples.
Key points from this episode:
• Over the past four years, commercial real estate as an asset class has faced potentially the most significant of headwinds, most notably the pandemic and the rise in interest rates.
• While the pandemic had a different impact on each property sector within commercial real estate, higher rates had a much more uniform impact across the various industries.
• The overall size of the commercial real estate market, which includes multifamily, office, retail, and industrial properties, is massive. In 2023, Savills estimated the total global property value was $50 trillion, of which the U.S. is the largest component.
• Vacancy and capitalization rates are the two primary metrics used to assess the health of the commercial real estate sectors. In office, both vacancy and capitalization rates have increased significantly since 2019.
• According to the St. Louis Federal Reserve, the 25 largest commercial banks have ~$860 billion in commercial real estate loans, which is only 6% of their collective assets. All the other banks outside of the top 25 have $2 trillion in commercial real estate loans, but that accounts for 30% of their total assets.
• Over the past six months, the risk-reward on the credit side for several real estate companies was unattractive in all scenarios.
• Some market participants believe that upwards of $100 billion, or 15%, of U.S. CMBS is currently mis-rated.
• The credit team does two main things in its intensive analysis credit review. They assign a Mawer credit rating that's tied to valuation, and they establish a margin of safety that's tied to downside production.
• With commercial real estate, just like any potential investment, the team reviews each issue and issuer on a case-by-case basis following a thorough and rigorous process before committing investor capital.Host: Rob Campbell, CFA, Mawer Institutional Portfolio Manager Guests: Curtis Elkington, CFA, Mawer Credit Analyst
For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/skyscrapers-and-storefronts-insights-on-the-commercial-real-estate-market-in-2024-ep165
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In this episode, Crista Caughlin, lead Portfolio Manager of the Canadian Bond Strategy, and Brian Carney, lead Portfolio Manager of the Global Credit Opportunities Strategy, provide their thoughts on recent economic data releases, a shift in central bank language, and recent market volatility. They delve into new issuance activity in the U.S. and Canada, widening spreads in the investment-grade and high-yield markets, and current portfolio positioning. The conversation concludes with an update on the growth and expansion of Mawer’s fixed income team.
Key points from this episode:
Central banks have shifted their focus from solely targeting inflation to balancing inflation and growth risks, leading to the start of a global easing cycle. Recession fears have increased due to weakening economic data, such as falling PMIs, rising unemployment, and weak growth, causing volatility in markets. It remains to be seen if recent volatility is just a pocket or something more material. If growth remains robust, it's likely just a pocket that will right-size itself. If growth continues to weaken and signs of a U.S. recession continue to pick up, it could be a larger downturn. The first half of the year has been smooth sailing for credit investors, but recent dislocations and changes resulted in significant widening in credit spreads. New issuance activity has been robust in the U.S. and Canada, with the levels of investment grade and high-yield issuance year-to-date already exceeding last year’s volumes. Commercial real estate has been a topical sector, but neither the Canadian bond strategy nor the global credit strategy have any direct exposure to real estate. In terms of where yield curves are today, parts of the curves are still inverted, particularly recession indicators. Both strategies hold Verizon Communications and Ford Credit Canada due to their favorable financial and operating metrics.
Host: Kevin Minas, Mawer Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guests: Brian Carney, Mawer Portfolio Manager, Crista Caughlin, Mawer Portfolio ManagerFor more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/navigating-the-canadian-equity-landscape-dispersion-energy-transition-and-opportunities-ep163
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In this episode of the podcast, Mark Rutherford, Co-Manager of the Canadian large-cap equity strategy, discusses the current investment landscape in Canada, highlighting the wide dispersion in sector performance and the impact of central bank policies. He delves into the long-term theme of the global energy transition and its far-reaching effects on various market sectors in Canada. Insights into insurance and banking sector performance are provided, as well as examples of specific portfolio holdings within the Canadian equity strategy.
On the surface, healthy and attractive returns can be found across equity markets in Canada. However, there is quite a bit of dispersion under the surface. Year to date, top-performing sectors include energy and materials – which have been the top performers for a few years now – while telecoms, real estate, and some utility stocks are lagging the market. One longer-term theme that is top of mind, both for Canada and numerous countries around the world, is the ongoing energy transition. Long-term opportunities that Canada is well positioned for include energy production, natural resources and renewables, critical minerals, and utilities. AI has been a big driver of incremental change within the utilities sector. Companies like Fortis, Hydro One, and AltaGas are investing more every year and building up the rate base, which ultimately will grow their earnings over time. One simple heuristic Mark’s team uses when evaluating portfolio construction and portfolio holdings is to ask where they see headwinds and where they see tailwinds. Life insurance companies have benefited from higher interest rates and improved earnings mix, while banks are facing challenges due to slowing loan demand and higher provisions for loan losses.
Key points from this episode:Host: Andrew Johnson, CFA, Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guest: Mark Rutherford, CFA, Portfolio Manager
For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/navigating-the-canadian-equity-landscape-dispersion-energy-transition-and-opportunities-ep163
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In this episode, Portfolio Manager Manar Hassan-Agha discusses how the Global Equity Team navigates an exuberant market environment while staying true to Mawer’s disciplined investment approach. He delves into the potential impacts of emerging trends, namely artificial intelligence (AI), and provides examples of the team’s measured approach to evaluating the hype and sustainability of these trends. He emphasizes the value of temperament, alignment, and identifying mispriced high-quality companies.
When considering potential errors of omission, it's a delicate balance between learning and improving while also ensuring you're not learning the wrong things. It's a matrix of good-bad decisions and good-bad outcomes. A deep dive on XP A deep dive on Robert Half We tend to overestimate the effects of new technology in the short term but underestimate them in the long run [Roy Amara], which could potentially apply to the current AI hype. The asymmetry today, in our mind, around AI hype is that there's a lot of uncertainty around this, particularly with respect to what's embedded in the prices of stocks. The difficulty continues to be identifying losers versus winners in a longer-term perspective. Chasing a theme is very difficult. You must be right on the theme and right on the securities in that theme while also not overpaying relative to the expectations already priced into the theme.
Key points from this episode:Host: Rob Campbell, CFA, Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guest: Manar Hassan-Agha, CFA, Portfolio Manager
For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/marbles-and-billiards-navigating-the-highs-and-lows-in-global-equity-ep162
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Portfolio Manager Crista Caughlin discusses the economy and factors that drove markets in the second quarter of 2024.
Key points from this episode:
Because inflation is easing at a gradual pace, central banks with likely be cutting rates gradually. We are at the end of a global tightening cycle and starting to see countries tweak their policies to better fit their domestic markets, but there is not and likely won’t be, a material divergence in the path forward among central banks. The yield curve has been inverted for almost two years, which is longer than average. However, it's not the longest inversion on record. In the late 80s, the yield curve remained inverted for over two and a half years before a recession. In continuation of the first quarter, equity markets did quite well again, with most reaching new highs during the quarter. The strength was primarily driven by a narrow segment of the market, notably technology.
Host: Kevin Minas, CFA, MBA, CAIA, Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guest: Crista Caughlin, CFA, Portfolio Manager
For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/quarterly-update-q2-2024
This episode is available for download anywhere you get your podcasts.Founded in 1974, Mawer is a privately owned independent investment firm managing assets for institutional and individual investors. Mawer employs over 250 people in Canada, U.S., and Singapore. Visit Mawer at https://www.mawer.com.
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In this episode, Portfolio Manager Jeff Mo makes the case for investing in U.S. mid-cap equities, highlighting the country’s strong business environment, large domestic market, and GDP growth. He discusses current market trends, including artificial intelligence, and his team’s risk management evaluation, especially with a pivotal U.S. election looming on the horizon.
Key points from this episode:
The U.S. is an attractive market for investing due to its strong rule of law, business environment, and large domestic market. Mid-caps are an investing sweet spot. While smaller companies struggle to gain competitive advantages, mid-caps have similar competitive advantages as large caps but with much more attractive growth profiles. There is one dominant theme right now in the market, which is artificial intelligence and anything related to that, all the way down to companies that are building HVAC systems for data centers. With risks like elections, the team goes through the portfolio company by company to evaluate potential changes as a result of an administration change. In thinking through the risks as part of their ongoing risk management exercise, the portfolio appears resilient, prepared, and diversified for many different scenarios, including different election outcomes.
Host: Rob Campbell, CFA, Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guest: Jeff Mo, CFA, Portfolio ManagerFor more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/navigating-the-u-s-mid-cap-landscape-resilience-amid-uncertainty-ep160
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In this episode, Portfolio Manager Jeff Mo discusses common behavioral biases that can hinder clear sell decisions, and the tools, such as checklists and trigger points, that can help slow down emotional thinking. He provides examples of companies that he and his team properly exited based on changing fundamentals as well as those they may have held onto for a bit too long, proving the power of the endowment bias.
Mawer’s sell discipline mirrors the inverse of its buy criteria: wealth creation, management quality, and discount to intrinsic value. The endowment bias makes it difficult to sell stocks you already own; try to always consider your holdings, and don't get married to them. Valuation is not the most important plank of Mawer’s sell discipline framework. Wealth creation and excellent management teams come first. While some believe the worst sell misses are the ones that have gone down considerably, Jeff believes the worst ones are actually the ones that go nowhere. It is important to weigh the inductive evidence a little bit more than the deductive evidence, but this can be difficult to do when it's a company that has done well. Warren Buffett once said that the preferred holding period is forever. However, not everything in life goes as you’d prefer, and that’s where sell discipline comes into play. Checklists and trigger points are a great way to think systematically and to slow down the process, helping take the emotion out of sell decisions.
Key points from this episode:Host: Rob Campbell, CFA, Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guest: Jeff Mo, CFA, Portfolio Manager
For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/from-buy-to-bye-sell-discipline-and-overcoming-behavioral-biases
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In this episode, we explore the growing electricity demands of data centers stemming from artificial intelligence (AI) with Chris Silvestre, Analyst on the U.S. Equity Team. He shares insights from a recent research trip visiting data centers in Northern Virginia—the data center capital of the world—and discusses challenges around meeting demands given constraints of land availability, energy generation and transmission, and the significantly increased power demands required to develop large language models.
Key points from this episode:
• Electricity demand in the U.S. has been relatively flat for a decade but is expected to increase 25% by 2050 due to electrification, ESG goals, and data center expansion to meet AI demand.
• For the same footprint and the same data center, you need 10 times more power for AI workloads than you did for the old-style data centers.
• Data centers cluster organically in hubs, such as Northern Virginia, to minimize data transfer costs, but this clustering strains power infrastructure.
• Meeting increased data center capacity demands faces land and energy constraints. While the U.S. has the ability to generate power, it may not have it in the right spots at the right time to support this new incremental demand.
• Businesses are proactively responding to increased demand by signing deals to secure data center capacity despite constraints, while governments are implementing policies and reforms to support AI development.
• With respect to AI or high-performance computing, there is a sense that this is a priority and will be a matter of national interest if not national security.
Host: Andrew Johnson, CFA, Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guest: Chris Silvestre, CPA, CFA, Equity Analyst
For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/watts-up-the-challenges-and-opportunities-of-powering-ai-ep158
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Portfolio Manager Karan Phadke discusses his views on the global markets and the performance of the global small-cap portfolio. He illustrates how businesses are adapting to and utilizing artificial intelligence (AI), highlighting the difference between the value-added reseller and IT consultant business models. Two portfolio holdings, CBIZ and Convatec, are discussed to demonstrate the team's focus on well-run, resilient companies that are trading at reasonable valuations.
The U.S. remains a strong outperformer, while Europe continues to see more sluggish growth. Current portfolio strengths include resilient U.S. companies, particularly in the professional employer organization (PEO) space with companies that provide outsourced HR functions. AI is impacting businesses in three main areas: hardware, software, and services. The team focuses on services, which is comprised of companies that help their clients acquire and integrate the hardware and software to use AI effectively. Regarding generative AI, there's still a very heavy lift involved at the onset to get the data clean and ready to use. When looking at the strategy from the top down, the team seeks out resilient businesses trading at reasonable valuations that are well-run with strong managers who are reinvesting capital intelligently. CBIZ exemplifies the strategy's focus on well-run companies with recurring business models while Convatec represents a business with solid management and long-term growth potential.
Key points from this episode:Host: Andrew Johnson, CFA, Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guest: Karan Phadke, CFA, Portfolio ManagerFor more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/navigating-global-small-caps-in-an-ai-transformative-world-ep157
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In this episode, Portfolio Manager Colin Wong shares strategic insights on disruptive technologies and recent adjustments in the U.S. equity portfolio. Colin discusses how his team navigates market exuberance, consensus risks, and economic ebbs and flows with a focus on resilient returns. Through compelling examples, Colin provides actionable insights on benefitting from innovation without betting the farm on a single theme.
The three main sources of stock market return are earnings per share growth, multiple expansion, and dividends. Similar to the Internet in the late 90s/early 2000s, artificial intelligence (AI) has the potential to transform almost every industry and sector. However, some companies are currently only using AI for various smaller tasks, such as answering simple customer queries, while others have fully embedded AI into their products. The U.S. equity team invests in companies with profitable existing businesses that are also investing in the future, namely AI. An influx of infrastructure spending in the U.S. not only provides upside to the businesses in the portfolio but also serves as a significant source of downside protection. Intuit and Nike are examples of Mawer’s investment philosophy at work, one of which was recently exited and the other recently purchased.
Key points from this episode:Host: Andrew Johnson, CFA, Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guest: Colin Wong, CFA, Portfolio Manager
For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/u-s-equity-capitalizing-on-innovation-and-protecting-against-pitfalls-ep156This episode is available for download anywhere you get your podcasts.
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Founded in 1974, Mawer is a privately owned independent investment firm managing assets for institutional and individual investors. Mawer employs over 250 people in Canada, U.S., and Singapore. Visit Mawer at www.mawer.com.
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Portfolio Manager Wen Cheong debunks the perceived challenges of investing in the emerging market space, highlighting his team’s concentrated approach and candour. He details how his focus on best-in-class management and passion for identifying attractive valuations has powered returns.
Key points from this episode:
• Small-cap companies are a pond with fewer rocks; opportunities can be found in steady, established businesses with competitive advantages.
• The slump in semiconductor demand in 2023 was primarily driven by a normalization in post-pandemic demand and macro challenges leading to an inventory de-stocking cycle.
• The EM team makes decisions for the portfolio entirely on a bottom-up basis with a slight macro overlay.
• Even in areas with geopolitical uncertainty, opportunities can be found in well-run, high-quality companies with attractive valuations.
• The emerging markets space remains full of diverse opportunities for those willing to do the deep dive.
Host: Rob Campbell, CFA, Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guest: Wen Cheong, CFA, Portfolio Manager
For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/fishing-in-less-crowded-ponds-identifying-opportunities-in-emerging-markets-ep155
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Founded in 1974, Mawer Investment Management Ltd. (pronounced "more") is a privately owned independent investment firm managing assets for institutional and individual investors. Mawer employs over 250 people in Canada, U.S., and Singapore.
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Building on his conversation in Episode 153, Portfolio Manager Samir Taghiyev takes a deep dive into the mental models and frameworks that Mawer uses to evaluate company management teams, particularly within the small-cap space. Using both personal and financial examples, he illustrates the benefit of exploration and exploitation, striking a balance between focus and curiosity, and identifying opportunities on the S curve of the corporate lifecycle.
Company management can be evaluated by determining if they are growing revenues while controlling costs and risks. This can be combined with other frameworks to create a comprehensive picture. The exploration vs. exploitation framework can be used to evaluate how well management balances focus with curiosity. There are four phases in the S curve of the corporate lifecycle—startup, growth, maturity, and decline. Mawer focuses on companies in the middle two phases, with Trisura and TerraVest provided as examples. Incrementalism is very important when it comes to exploration vs. exploitation because it strikes a key balance between spending to de-risk and learning. Companies can either drive growth organically, often through the introduction of new products, or inorganically through acquisitions. Using the “look back” and “trust but verify” processes, the small-cap team leverages their historical notes and third-party information to improve their verification of management claims.
Key points from this episode:Host: Kevin Minas, CFA, Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guest: Samir Taghiyev, CFA, Portfolio Manager
For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/
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Founded in 1974, Mawer Investment Management Ltd. (pronounced "more") is a privately owned independent investment firm managing assets for institutional and individual investors. Mawer employs over 250 people in Canada, U.S., and Singapore. Visit Mawer at https://www.mawer.com.
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Portfolio Manager Samir Taghiyev discusses the current landscape of the Canadian small-cap space through the lens of the “Mr. Market” narrative and crowd-driven sentiments. Using Converge Technology Solutions as an example, Taghiyev sheds light on his team’s due diligence process and how they find opportunities by tuning out the noise.
The mood of the markets can change very quickly, highlighting the importance of due diligence Investors should be aware of market narratives but not get caught up in them Diligence on business, management, and valuation is key to finding opportunities created by delayed market reactions Small caps may see more exaggerated dynamics due to retail investor involvement
Key points from this episode:Host: Kevin Minas, CFA, Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guest: Samir Taghiyev, CFA, Portfolio Manager
For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/moody-mr-market-finding-opportunities-in-the-canadian-small-cap-space-amid-changing-market-psychology-ep153
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Founded in 1974, Mawer Investment Management Ltd. (pronounced "more") is a privately owned independent investment firm managing assets for institutional and individual investors. Mawer employs over 250 people in Canada, U.S., and Singapore. Visit Mawer at https://www.mawer.com.
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As markets continue on a dynamic trend, fixed income portfolio manager Crista Caughlin discusses the economy and factors that drove markets in the first quarter of 2024. In addition, the reemergence of a more typical correlation pattern between stocks and bonds, getting central banks off the sidelines, and the concern that markets may be being too complacent.
Global growth improving, inflation moderating, and earnings relatively strong In Canada, growth has improved although consumption remains weak when compared to the U.S. Moving with caution: strong data has begun to cause central banks to be cautious around timing of interest rate cuts—they want to be confident higher inflation is in the rear view mirror Strong equity markets—a continuation of the 2023 technology-focused businesses doing particularly well, especially if they have a tie in to AI or semiconductors Too much complacency? We may not have seen the full impact of higher interest rates, and you can see that in some areas we are seeing continued pressure (e.g., real estate, mortgage arrears, loan delinquencies)
Key points from this episode:Host: Kevin Minas, CFA, Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guests: Crista Caughlin, CFA, Mawer Portfolio Manager
For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/quarterly-update-q1-2024-ep152
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