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Kile Ozier is The Guy at The Guy, LLC. With a career spanning decades in the live experience industry, Kile has crafted a unique role for himself as a creative venture catalyst, master of spectacle and story, and a guiding force in creating emotionally resonant experiences. He has a rich history of working in diverse fields, from theme parks and global events to fundraising campaigns and theatrical productions. His approach is centered on moving audiences deeply, often leaving them profoundly impacted by the experiences he designs. In this interview, Kile talks about moving people emotionally, creating global community, and the joy of connecting.
Moving People Emotionally"My filter is if I can move myself, I can move anyone."
Kile Ozier’s ability to craft emotionally resonant experiences stems from his deep understanding of how to engage and move an audience. He shares a powerful anecdote from an event at the Lincoln Memorial, where he designed a silent firework to coincide with a poignant moment in a tribute. The sheer silence, coupled with the emotional weight of the moment, created a collective gasp from 250,000 people—a testament to Kile's mastery in orchestrating profound emotional experiences. He emphasizes that his goal is to touch hearts in a way that feels both personal and universal, making each experience unforgettable.
Creating Global Community"Creating global community through shared experience is the mission I’ve adopted for the rest of my life."
Kile believes in the power of shared experiences to build a sense of global community. He discusses how his work often transcends mere entertainment, aiming to foster unity, peace, and a deeper understanding among people. Through his projects, whether large-scale events or intimate gatherings, Kile strives to create moments where people from diverse backgrounds come together and feel connected. He views these experiences as opportunities to subtly influence positive change and promote a sense of shared humanity.
Joy of Connecting"Connecting with people is joyful."
For Kile, the joy of connecting with others is at the heart of his work. He talks about the simple yet profound impact of altering how people enter a space, like guiding them through a side entrance they’ve never used before, to change their perspective and open them up to new experiences. This approach is part of his broader philosophy of creating comfortable disorientation, where participants feel safe yet intrigued, leading them to engage more deeply with the experience. Kile’s ultimate goal is to create environments where people feel a genuine connection—to the event, to others, and themselves.
If you want to learn more about Kile Ozier and his work, you can reach him at [email protected] or explore his insights further in his book, available on Amazon. Kile is also open to connecting with individuals through LinkedIn or his website, offering guidance and inspiration to those looking to make a meaningful impact through their creative endeavors.
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Kristy Tozer is the Founder and Marketing Consultant for RumbleBuzz, based in Tampa, FL. Kristy began her journey at SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment, where she gained extensive experience in marketing, operations, and event management. Her career includes roles at ZooTampa, where she was instrumental in the rebranding from Lowry Park Zoo to its current identity. In 2020, she co-founded RumbleBuzz, a marketing agency that caters specifically to attractions and hospitality industries, ensuring that their marketing strategies align seamlessly with their operational goals. In this interview, Kristy talks about a seat at the table, rebranding, and marketing & ops supporting each other.
A Seat at the Table
"Everyone had a seat at the table, and what came out of that was really learning how to build a sub-brand."
Kristy emphasizes the importance of collaboration across departments in any successful marketing strategy. Drawing from her experiences at SeaWorld, she shares how cross-departmental teams were crucial in coordinating large events and initiatives. This approach ensured that all voices were heard and that every department, from operations to food service, contributed to a cohesive and immersive guest experience. Kristy believes that giving everyone a seat at the table not only improves communication but also leads to more innovative and effective marketing strategies.
Rebranding
"Rebranding is not just a logo change; it's about establishing yourself as a global brand."*
Kristy recounts the comprehensive rebranding of ZooTampa, explaining that the change was much more than just a new name or logo. The goal was to position the zoo as a globally recognized brand, which involved not only changing the name but also telling a deeper story about the zoo's commitment to animal care and conservation. Kristy highlights how PR, social media, and even a partnership with National Geographic's "Secrets of the Zoo" played pivotal roles in this transformation. The rebranding was a strategic move that helped Zoo Tampa reach a broader audience and establish a stronger presence in the global market.
Marketing & Ops Supporting Each Other
"When everybody had a seat at the table, the experience from the ad to the actual visit was consistent."
Kristy discusses the critical relationship between marketing and operations, sharing examples of when the two worked seamlessly together, as well as instances where they didn't. She illustrates how successful campaigns, like the one for Busch Gardens' "Howl-O-Scream," were the result of close collaboration between marketing and operations. This ensured that the guest experience aligned perfectly with what was promised in the marketing materials. Kristy stresses that for a brand to truly succeed, marketing and operations must not only support each other but also work together from the very beginning to create a consistent and memorable guest experience.
If you’d like to connect with Kristy or learn more about RumbleBuzz, you can visit their website at therumblebuzz.com or email her directly at [email protected]. You can also follow RumbleBuzz on Instagram and LinkedIn for the latest updates and insights from Kristy and her team.
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Looking for daily inspiration? Get a quote from the top leaders in the industry in your inbox every morning.Michael Browning is the Founder and CEO of Unleashed Brands, a company born out of a desire to create a consolidated platform for youth enrichment during the COVID-19 pandemic. Unleashed Brands focuses on helping children learn, play, and grow by bringing together world-class brands that offer everything from science and technology education to physical activity and creative play. The company was inspired by Michael’s personal experiences as a parent and his frustration with the fragmented nature of youth activities. In this interview, Michael talks about consolidating fragmentation, customers and users, and adventure slides.
Side note: check out Michael’s first interview on AttractionPros, released in May of 2019.
Consolidating Fragmentation
"Where there is fragmentation, there is an opportunity for consolidation."
Michael’s vision for Unleashed Brands was born out of a personal frustration during the pandemic. While trying to find activities for his three children, he noticed the fragmented nature of youth enrichment opportunities. This led him to the realization that there was a significant opportunity to consolidate these offerings under one platform. Drawing inspiration from other industries that successfully consolidated services—like restaurants and home services—Michael aimed to create a platform that addressed the most important asset in a family: the children. Unleashed Brands was built with the mission to help children learn basic skills in science, technology, engineering, and math, identify and grow in their hobbies, and escape through play. The company now includes multiple brands that cater to different aspects of youth development, all working towards the common goal of enriching children's lives.
Customers and Users
"Our customer is the parent, and our user is the child."
Understanding the distinction between customers and users is at the core of Unleashed Brands' success. Michael emphasizes that parents are the customers who make purchasing decisions, while children are the users who actually experience the products and services. This understanding allows Unleashed Brands to create targeted marketing strategies and develop offerings that meet the needs of both groups. For parents, the company focuses on selling values like courage, coordination, and self-respect. For children, the emphasis is on providing a fun and engaging experience that keeps them coming back. This dual approach not only enhances customer satisfaction but also increases the lifetime value of each family within the Unleashed Brands ecosystem.
Adventure Slides
"There are different designs for each of the different slides. There are different ways that the guests will traverse the slides, so it can be different every time."
Urban Air recently introduced adventure slides as part of its attraction mix. While slides have been a staple in various entertainment settings for years, Michael explains that their uniqueness at Urban Air lies in how they are integrated with other attractions. The goal is to provide a diverse range of physical experiences that keep guests engaged and coming back for more. Michael notes that a single attraction cannot sustain a business over time, which is why Urban Air continues to innovate and add new experiences. The adventure slides are a testament to this strategy, offering a fresh and exciting way for children to stay active while ensuring that the overall experience at Urban Air remains dynamic and appealing.
To learn more about Michael Browning and Unleashed Brands, you can connect with him on LinkedIn or visit UnleashedBrands.com for more information about the company and its offerings.
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Samantha Palmer is the Director of Brand Experience for Flagler College in St. Augustine, FL. With over 20 years of experience at the college, plus time as a student, Samantha has played a pivotal role in developing and overseeing the historic tours and retail operations at Flagler. Her work focuses on enhancing the brand experience for both students and visitors, leveraging the college’s rich history and iconic architecture. In this interview, Samantha talks about historic tours, St. Augustine's tourism industry, and taking chances on people.
Historic tours
"You get to experience the brand not only through what their script is... but you also get to experience a student who is here working on their four-year education."
Samantha discusses how Flagler College’s historic tours are a unique blend of education and tourism, allowing students to gain invaluable public speaking and storytelling skills. The tours are not just about showcasing the beautiful and historic campus; they also serve as a crucial recruitment tool for the college. By involving students as tour guides, the program offers a dual benefit—visitors get a glimpse of the college’s rich history, and students gain hands-on experience that enhances their academic journey and prepares them for future careers.
St. Augustine's tourism industry
"We have always been members of the St. Augustine Attractions Association... we're kind of lucky that this area is so concentrated with attractions, but we're also willing to talk to each other."
Samantha highlights the collaborative spirit within St. Augustine’s tourism industry, emphasizing the unique position Flagler College holds within this historic city. As a major attraction in St. Augustine, Flagler College contributes to and benefits from the city's vibrant tourism sector. The college’s involvement in local attractions associations and partnerships with other sites, such as the St. Augustine Lighthouse and the Pirate Museum, ensures a cohesive and enriched experience for visitors. Samantha also notes how the college’s location and history make it an essential stop for those exploring the oldest city in the U.S.
Taking chances on people
"I like to take chances on people. Let's see. What's the worst that happens?"
In her role at Flagler College, Samantha has learned the importance of taking chances on people, particularly students who may not initially seem like the perfect fit for a role. She shares stories of students who, despite their initial reservations or lack of experience, have thrived in positions like tour guides. These experiences often lead to surprising and rewarding outcomes, with students gaining confidence and discovering new career paths, such as in public speaking, theater, or law. Samantha’s belief in giving people opportunities reflects her broader philosophy of mentorship and development, helping to foster a supportive and growth-oriented environment at Flagler College.
If you'd like to learn more about Flagler College or get in touch with Samantha Palmer, you can visit Flagler College's website or reach out to her directly via email at [email protected]. The historic tours at Flagler College, currently on hiatus for renovation, will resume in September 2024, offering visitors a unique glimpse into the college's rich history and architecture.
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Chris Kearsing is the General Manager of Story Land in Glen, New Hampshire. With a career that spans over two decades, Chris has held various leadership roles in theme parks across the United States, from his early days at The Great Escape in Lake George, New York, to key positions at Holiday World and Splashin’ Safari, Elitch Gardens, and Six Flags parks. Story Land, where Chris currently oversees operations, is a beloved family destination known for its charming attractions and natural beauty. In this interview, Chris talks about his storied career, saying yes, and celebrating 70 years.
A Storied Career"I'd say it's been a very storied career.”
Starting as a ride operator right after high school at The Great Escape, Chris never imagined his summer job would lead to a lifelong career in the theme park industry. Over the years, he climbed the ranks, holding various operational roles that provided a deep understanding of park management. Chris’s career took him across the country, from the Northeast to the Midwest, and eventually to Texas, where he worked for Six Flags over Texas and Adventureland in Iowa. His journey is marked by adaptability, a willingness to take on new challenges, and a passion for delivering exceptional guest experiences.
Saying Yes"Say yes, or if you have to say no to something, have a really good reason."
Throughout his career, Chris has embraced opportunities that came his way, whether it was taking on new responsibilities, moving across the country, or stepping into leadership roles during times of transition. This mindset has allowed him to gather a wealth of experience in different facets of park operations, from ride safety to food and beverage management. Chris believes that by saying yes and being open to new experiences, he has been able to grow both professionally and personally, leading him to his current role at Story Land.
Celebrating 70 Years“There’s so much charm that has been maintained over the years,”
The park, nestled in the White Mountains, is known for its family-friendly attractions and unique blend of natural beauty and whimsical theming. To honor the 70th anniversary, Story Land has introduced new attractions like the Moo Lagoon water play area, while also preserving beloved features like animatronics and classic rides. Chris discusses the importance of balancing innovation with nostalgia, ensuring that the park remains a cherished destination for generations to come.
For more information about Story Land, visit their website. You can also connect with Chris on LinkedIn for further insights into his work and the park's ongoing developments.
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Neil Dwyer is the Vice President of Operations at Six Flags Qiddiya City, the largest amusement park in Saudi Arabia, opening in 2025. Neil's career began when a summer job as a ride operator sparked a lifelong passion for the attractions industry. Over the years, he has climbed the ranks, gaining invaluable experience at notable parks like Blackpool Pleasure Beach, IMG Worlds of Adventure in Dubai, and Global Village, a multicultural heritage park in Dubai. In this interview, Neil talks about designing through the operator's perspective, effective service recovery, and how no challenge is unsolvable.
Designing from the Operator's Perspective"We've been fortunate enough to work with some really great architects and some really great designers who've just absolutely listened to everything that we wanted to do and we wanted to incorporate."
Neil explains how being involved in the early design stages of Six Flags Qiddia has been crucial to ensuring the park's success. By incorporating the operator's perspective, Neil and his team have focused on details like the operator's visibility in the control booth and guest flow throughout the park. This level of involvement has allowed them to address potential operational issues before they arise, leveraging advanced technology like 3D modeling to visualize and optimize every aspect of the guest experience.
Effective Service Recovery"Just giving a free ticket and saying sorry is probably not enough to recover that service experience."
Neil discusses his findings from his master's thesis on guest service and service recovery, revealing that only 30% of guests who received free tickets after a negative experience returned to the park. This insight led Neil to understand that effective service recovery goes beyond offering compensation; it requires genuine apologies and thoughtful resolutions that leave a lasting positive impression on guests. He emphasizes the importance of empowering staff to address issues on the spot, ensuring that every guest feels heard and valued.
No Challenge is Unsolvable"No challenge is unsolvable. We're going to have all these issues, but we're going to solve all of them. That's part of the fun of the game."
Neil's optimistic outlook on overcoming challenges is a driving force behind the development of Six Flags Qiddiya. He acknowledges the unique challenges of opening a theme park in a new market like Saudi Arabia, where there is limited local expertise in the attractions industry. However, Neil sees this as an opportunity rather than a setback, allowing his team to innovate without the constraints of "how things have always been done." This mindset has been instrumental in tackling the monumental task of building the world's tallest, fastest, and longest roller coaster, Falcon's Flight.
To connect with Neil and learn more about his work, you can reach out to him on LinkedIn, where he is always open to networking and sharing insights from his extensive experience in the attractions industry. For more information on Six Flags Qiddiya, visit their website.
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Nick Miller is the Director of Guest Experience for Original X Productions. With a career that began in his teenage years, Nick's passion for attractions was sparked by a contest win at Six Flags Great America, leading him to pursue roles in marketing, public relations, and operations with Merlin Entertainments. Now at OGX Productions, Nick helps create immersive, branded experiences like the Friends Experience and Harry Potter Magic at Play. OGX Productions, a leader in location-based branded entertainment, is known for delivering high-quality, interactive experiences in partnership with major intellectual properties. In this interview, Nick talks about being part of the show, the need for human connection, and trusting your crazy ideas.
Being Part of the Show"The staff really can make or break just about any experience. They can play roles, they can play characters, and they can be so into Friends and be a Friends superfan themselves that they're teaching our guests things that they didn't know about the show previously."
Nick emphasizes the importance of staff engagement in delivering exceptional guest experiences. At OGX Productions, team members are encouraged to immerse themselves in the worlds they represent, whether it’s Friends, Harry Potter, or other beloved franchises. By embodying characters and using specific vocabulary, staff can create an authentic and engaging atmosphere. This approach not only enhances the guest experience but also ensures that visitors feel a deeper connection to the attractions.
Training and recruitment are crucial to this process. Nick highlights the need for finding individuals who are passionate about the IPs and providing them with the tools to succeed. This includes giving staff members a script of lines and scenarios to use, ensuring they can interact with guests in ways that feel both natural and magical. By doing so, OGX Productions maintains high standards of guest satisfaction and engagement.
The Need for Human Connection"People have a craving for real connection and real experiences and something that is going to transport them out of the every day and allow them to suspend their disbelief somewhere else. And that's where attractions can come in."
Nick discusses the challenges and opportunities presented by technology in the attractions industry. While smartphones and digital content offer convenience, they often fall short in providing the deep, emotional connections that in-person experiences can offer. Attractions have the unique ability to offer immersive, multi-sensory experiences that cannot be replicated online. This is crucial in an age where human connection is increasingly mediated by screens.
Nick believes that attractions must leverage this advantage by creating environments that foster genuine interactions and memorable moments. By doing so, they can attract visitors who seek more meaningful and engaging experiences. This emphasis on human connection helps differentiate attractions from digital entertainment and reinforces their value in creating lasting memories.
Trusting Your Crazy Ideas"Trust your crazy ideas. It’s something that I've held very close to me since college, and I just went with it."
Nick’s philosophy of embracing unconventional ideas has been a guiding principle throughout his career. He recounts a story of bringing LEGO minifigures to a networking event, which helped him stand out and make connections. This willingness to think outside the box has not only fueled his personal success but also driven innovation within the organizations he has worked for.
In the context of staff development and leadership, Nick encourages a culture where employees feel empowered to propose and pursue bold ideas. This approach fosters creativity and drives progress within the industry. By trusting their instincts and taking calculated risks, leaders and team members alike can contribute to the growth and evolution of their attractions, ultimately enhancing the guest experience.
For those interested in connecting with Nick or learning more about Original X Productions, he can be reached on LinkedIn. Additionally, he welcomes emails at [email protected].
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Tim Murphy is the CEO of Boomers Parks. With a rich career background that spans various sectors within the entertainment and hospitality industries, Tim has brought significant transformations to Boomers Parks since taking on the role in June 2020. Under his leadership, the company has seen a focus on improving food and beverage offerings, repurposing real estate, and enhancing team engagement. His initiatives have not only increased profitability but also improved the overall guest experience. In this interview, Tim talks about high-quality food, repurposing retail, and the power of people.
High-Quality Food“The investment in enhancing food and beverage quality also enhances the attraction component of the business as well.”
Tim emphasizes the pivotal role that high-quality food plays in the success of Boomers Parks. By investing in better food and beverage offerings, Boomers Parks has significantly increased the length of guest stays, which in turn boosts overall spending. Tim explains that the introduction of high-quality food items, while retaining fan favorites like pizza and hamburgers, has kept guests satisfied and engaged longer. The approach has shifted the typical visit duration from 90 minutes to three or four hours, resulting in higher per capita spending across various attractions within the parks.
The strategic focus on food quality extends beyond merely offering better meals. It creates a comprehensive guest experience that encourages visitors to spend more time on-site. This, in turn, leads to increased spending on attractions and games. Tim’s philosophy demonstrates that enhancing one aspect of the park, such as food quality, can have a ripple effect on overall business performance, making it a crucial element of the park’s operations.
Repurposing Retail“I believe there's a plethora of locations to go to. And the good thing for those in the FEC space is landlords are flexible.”
Tim Murphy sees immense potential in repurposing vacant retail spaces for family entertainment centers (FECs). With many big-box retailers closing down, there is an abundance of available real estate that can be transformed into engaging indoor entertainment venues. Tim highlights that spaces ranging from 20,000 to 50,000 square feet are ideal for FECs, providing ample room for various attractions while being manageable and cost-effective.
The flexibility of landlords with these vacant properties presents a unique opportunity for FEC operators. Tim notes that landlords are often willing to offer favorable terms, such as reduced rent and funding for tenant improvements, to fill their empty spaces. This not only revitalizes unused properties but also creates new destinations that draw foot traffic, potentially benefiting the surrounding businesses. By repurposing retail spaces, Boomers Parks can create controlled environments less affected by weather, ensuring consistent and enjoyable guest experiences.
The Power of People“We want to be competitive with wages...but what else do we want to be able to offer and remind our team members that we're doing differently than other potential opportunities for them to go to?”
Tim underscores the importance of people in the success of Boomers. He believes that fostering a supportive and engaging work environment is crucial for both employee satisfaction and guest experience. Under his leadership, Boomers has developed a set of core values that include safety, inclusion, and accountability. These values are not just posted on walls but are actively lived and reinforced through regular training and communication.
To attract and retain top talent, Boomers offers competitive wages and additional perks such as free meals, snacks, and drinks for employees during their shifts. The company also implements a points-based reward system, where employees can earn points for exceptional performance and redeem them for gift cards, merchandise, or trips. This consistent recognition of good work helps build a motivated and dedicated team. By focusing on the well-being and development of their employees, Boomers Parks ensures that their team is committed to delivering outstanding service, thus enhancing the overall guest experience.
For those interested in learning more about Boomers Parks or exploring franchising opportunities, Tim can be contacted directly at [email protected]. Additionally, more information is available on the Boomers Parks website at boomersparks.com.
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It’s time to talk about CNC2024! Every year, Matt and his friends visit multiple theme and amusement parks throughout the country, leading to lasting memories and lessons related to business operations, leadership, and guest experience. In this episode, Matt and Josh delve into a wide array of insights gleaned from Matt’s recent experiences at various theme parks and attractions. From operational challenges to guest-centric strategies, they explore themes ranging from the impact of effective systems on employee performance to the nuances of guest behavior and the evolving definition of immersion in theme park experiences.
There's always more to the storyMatt and Josh emphasize the complexity behind operational decisions, corporate mergers, and guest interactions within theme parks. They discuss how behind every situation lies a deeper narrative, and stress the importance of considering the broader context when analyzing guest experiences and operational challenges.
The spieling ride op is backReflecting on the pivotal role of enthusiastic ride operators, Matt shares how their engaging interactions can significantly enhance guest experiences. They highlight the importance of passionate employees in shaping positive guest perceptions and memorable moments. While an automated spiel creates consistency and efficiency, the personalized approach allows for increased guest engagement, an enhanced experience, and for messages of safety and loading procedures to be adhered to more effectively than an automated message.
Your systems need to support your peopleObservations about audio quality sparked a discussion on the critical role of operational systems in supporting employees. Matt and Josh stress that efficient and user-friendly systems are essential for staff to deliver exceptional service. They draw from personal experiences where technical failures hindered operational effectiveness and guest satisfaction. Whether it’s a microphone and PA system, point of sale software, or ticket scanners, ensuring that these systems can be easily used by employees impacts the employee and guest experience alike.
How guest behavior impacts operationsExploring the dynamic relationship between guest behavior and park operations, Matt and Josh discuss examples where guest preferences influence operational decisions. They highlight how parks adapt to meet guest expectations, such as extending ride hours for popular attractions like The Beast at Kings Island. Even 45 years later, The Beast is still regarded as an iconic attraction and maintains a strong fandom specifically around night rides. As a result, the park extends operating hours only for The Beast, even after the rest of the park has closed, to align the park’s operations around a guest-centric mentality.
The real definition of immersionMatt and Josh challenge conventional views of immersion, expanding the concept beyond technology-driven experiences. They explore how both high-tech innovations and low-tech interactions can create immersive guest experiences by fostering genuine engagement and memorable moments. They conclude that the definition of an immersive experience is when guests are fully present and free of distractions, whether they are standing on a ride platform after putting their phones in a locker or wearing a VR headset. While immersive is often aligned with state-of-the-art technology, the concept can and should be expanded into other applications that allow guests to be fully present.
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This minisode delves into a scenario where a guest misunderstood the online ticketing process for an attraction. Josh brings up the topic of service recovery, highlighting its importance in hospitality. He recounts a recent workshop where the issue of a guest misunderstanding online ticketing surfaced, sparking a discussion on the perception of service failures.
Josh presents a case where a guest expected VIP treatment upon purchasing tickets online but faced a 20-minute wait upon arrival. He emphasizes how service failures can be self-imposed perceptions rather than actual wrongdoings by the business. Josh proposes considering the cost of not recovering from such situations and explores the potential long-term negative impacts on guest satisfaction and business reputation.
Matt relates the discussion to his personal experience in Iceland, where he encountered similar situations. He stresses the importance of doing the right thing for the guest and highlights the emotional toll of unresolved issues on guest experiences. Matt and Josh discuss the significance of acknowledging guest frustrations and the potential benefits of proactive service recovery efforts.
Josh suggests addressing guest concerns empathetically and considering solutions that align with guest expectations, even if it means deviating from standard procedures occasionally. He emphasizes the value of creating positive experiences that outweigh initial frustrations and leads to guest satisfaction and loyalty.
This minisode advocates for a guest-centric approach to service recovery, emphasizing the long-term benefits of addressing guest concerns and exceeding expectations to foster positive guest experiences and business success.
What do you think? Should you consider recovering from service failures, even when they’re self-imposed? Let us know by commenting on LinkedIn, X, Facebook, or Instagram.
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Justin Rink is the General Manager of View Boston, a newly opened observation deck in Boston's Prudential Center. With a background in attractions management from Paramount, Churchill Downs, Kentucky Kingdom, and SeaWorld, Justin has previously worked in various leadership positions across the industry. In this interview, Justin talks about the View Boston experience, entrepreneurial leadership, and the importance of starting with people.
The View Boston experience
“Part of the attraction, in its conception, was to be your number one spot in Boston, the very first spot."
View Boston offers visitors a unique and immersive journey from the moment they enter the observation deck. From interactive elements like viewfinders and 270-degree videos showcasing Boston's skyline to personalized itineraries based on guests' preferences, the experience is designed to captivate and delight at every turn. With a focus on providing exceptional guest experiences, View Boston sets itself apart as a must-visit destination in the heart of Boston.
Entrepreneurial leadership
"It's easy to come up with strategy to make the business better. But if you can't execute the strategy, all that time was wasted."
Justin embodies an entrepreneurial mindset, driving innovation and pushing the boundaries of traditional leadership. He emphasizes the importance of setting ambitious goals and constantly striving for excellence, both for himself and his team. By fostering a culture of accountability and continuous improvement, Justin empowers his team members to take ownership of their roles and contribute to the overall success of View Boston.
Starting with people
"It starts with people. And I think that's the most important thing."
At the core of Justin's leadership philosophy is a commitment to putting people first. He believes that success in business ultimately hinges on building strong relationships and prioritizing the well-being of both guests and team members. By investing in employee engagement initiatives and fostering open communication, Justin creates a supportive and inclusive work environment where everyone feels valued and respected.
For more information about View Boston and to connect with Justin, visit viewboston.com or follow him on LinkedIn. You can also reach out to Justin directly via email at [email protected].
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This minisode features Josh and Matt reflecting on their resolutions for 2024, which they set at the beginning of the year. The conversation revolves around their progress towards these goals and the broader themes of personal and professional development. They decide to discuss their resolutions from episode 330 and evaluate their progress.
Matt's first resolution is to enhance POC University, a program he leads, by improving its website, user experience, and interface. He provides updates on the steps taken, such as creating a new website on Patreon and gathering feedback from members.
Josh's first resolution involves building partnerships and enhancing guest experience initiatives in his consulting business. He discusses his efforts to extend workshop engagements beyond one-time events by establishing partnership programs with attractions.
Matt's second resolution is to prioritize his health after undergoing quadruple bypass surgery. He shares his progress in adopting healthier habits, including exercise and dietary changes, leading to weight loss and improved well-being.
Josh's second resolution focuses on refining his public speaking skills, particularly by enrolling in stand-up comedy classes at Second City. He describes the nerve-wracking yet rewarding experience of performing a five-minute set at a student showcase.
Matt's third resolution involves sharing his surgery experience to help others and integrate its lessons into his coaching and training work. He emphasizes the importance of storytelling and leveraging personal experiences to connect with others.
Josh's third resolution involves organizing in-person events, such as meetups and a potential leadership conference for AttractionPros. He discusses ongoing discussions and plans with Matt to make these events a reality.
We encourage you to reflect on your own resolutions and we’d love to hear your updates! Let us know by commenting on LinkedIn, X, Facebook, or Instagram.
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Mike Rotondo is the CEO of Altitude Trampoline Parks. With a background in various franchise industries, including Tropical Smoothie and Edible Arrangements, he brings a wealth of experience to his role. Since joining Altitude in 2019, Mike has primarily focused on franchise growth through enhancing the company’s processes that ensure consistency of brand standards across all locations. In this interview, Mike talks about the balance of art and process, avoiding brand creep, and pushing for what's possible.
The balance of art and process
“How can we take the daily operations of this park and really make it as manageable and as teachable and as scalable as we can?"
Maintaining consistent standards is crucial, but so is allowing frontline team members to infuse their authenticity into their roles. Mike emphasizes the importance of creating an environment where employees feel comfortable being themselves while adhering to company guidelines. By blending standardized processes with individual expression, Altitude cultivates a unique and welcoming atmosphere for guests, ensuring an enjoyable and memorable experience for everyone.
Avoiding brand creep
"Stay in that space; be who you are."
Mike highlights the challenge of maintaining brand identity while innovating. He stresses the importance of staying true to the core brand values and avoiding dilution by pursuing ventures that deviate too far from the brand's essence.
In particular, Mike shares insight into the growth strategies of Indoor Active Brands, Altitude’s parent company, that is venturing into the Pickleball business. Entertainment centers focusing on Pickleball are an emerging market at the time of this interview, and their unique nature balances social “eatertainment” with an active sport, making it different from other location-based entertainment concepts such as bowling, golf simulators, and social driving ranges. This requires an intentional focus on what the experience is and is not, and not adding elements unless they have a direct purpose.
Pushing for what's possible
"I'm not interested if this is realistic. What I'm interested in is, is it possible?
Mike encourages a mindset of pushing boundaries and exploring possibilities. He challenges his team to think beyond constraints and consider what could be achieved if limitations were removed. By fostering a culture of innovation and pushing the boundaries of what's deemed possible, Altitude aims to stay ahead in the competitive market.
To learn more about Altitude Trampoline Parks or get in touch with Mike, visit AltitudeTrampolineParks.com, or email Mike at [email protected].
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This minisode discusses the concept of The Hospitality Mentality within organizations through a real-life scenario at a grocery store. Matt recounts a positive interaction with a cashier, who engaged in conversation with him and offered a better deal on blueberries. However, the interaction turned sour when Renee's manager interrupted to discuss watering plants, disrupting the positive atmosphere.
Matt and Josh dissect the incident, emphasizing the importance of coaching team members while keeping them accountable without compromising guest experiences. They stress that The Hospitality Mentality should extend to all employees, regardless of their position within the organization. Their discussion concludes with reflections on the significance of tasks typically out of guests' view and the importance of managers prioritizing guest interactions over administrative tasks.
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Mike Lusky is the Group General Manager of Adventureland Resort, Altoona, IA. With over three decades in the attractions industry, his journey began at Geauga Lake in Ohio, where he started as a taffy puller at the age of 15. Over the years, Mike has worked with industry giants like Six Flags and Great Wolf Lodge, honing his leadership skills and shaping his management style. In this interview, Mike talks about embracing history, shifting culture, and the importance of mentors.
Embracing history
"One of the things I've seen most effective through any of the organizations that I've worked in is when you're able to connect the employee and their benefits to the ultimate goal."
Mike emphasizes the importance of connecting the past with the present to foster a sense of continuity and pride among employees. By acknowledging and celebrating the history of Adventureland Resort, Mike believes it creates a deeper connection with both employees and guests, enhancing the overall experience.
Shifting culture
"Keeping [employees] in a positive mindset, giving them the right accolades when necessary, that's a big part of the strategy here is just that acknowledgment and kind of immediate reward."
Mike emphasizes the significance of fostering a positive work culture by recognizing and rewarding employees for their contributions. He believes that by prioritizing employee satisfaction and well-being, it translates into better guest experiences and ultimately drives business success.
The importance of mentors
"There's no way you would have been able to come up with your leadership style on your own."
Mike underscored the pivotal role of mentors in shaping leadership styles and navigating challenges in the attractions industry. He highlighted the value of seeking guidance from experienced professionals who can offer insights, support, and feedback. Through mentorship, leaders can refine their skills, make informed decisions, and cultivate successful careers.
Contact Information:
Adventureland Resort - AdventurelandResort.com
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Melissa Oviedo is the Chief Business Officer of BMorrow Productions. Melissa brings a rich background in the attractions industry, having previously worked with Nassal, where she honed her expertise in project management and strategic development. Now, as the Chief Business Officer of BMorrow Productions, Melissa spearheads initiatives aimed at driving innovation and fostering growth within the company's diverse portfolio of projects. In this interview, Melissa talks about sustainable growth, building perspectives, and asking the right questions.
Sustainable Growth"Sustainable growth isn't just about numbers; it's about creating a lasting impact that benefits not only the business but also the environment and the community it serves."
Melissa emphasizes the importance of sustainable growth in her role with BMorrow Productions and discusses strategies for maintaining steady progress while ensuring long-term viability. Melissa advocates for a holistic approach that considers environmental, social, and economic factors. She highlights the significance of fostering relationships with local communities and minimizing ecological impact. Furthermore, Melissa delves into the role of innovation in driving sustainable growth, stressing the need for continuous adaptation and improvement.
Building Perspectives"Diversity in perspectives isn't just a buzzword; it's the key to unlocking innovation and driving meaningful change within our industry."
Melissa underscores the value of diverse viewpoints in enhancing creativity and problem-solving. Melissa emphasizes the importance of fostering an inclusive environment where all voices are heard and respected. She shares insights on leveraging differences in perspectives to drive innovation and enhance guest experiences. Melissa also discusses the challenges and opportunities associated with building perspectives within a rapidly evolving industry landscape.
Asking the Right Questions"The ability to ask the right questions isn't just about seeking answers; it's about challenging assumptions, exploring new possibilities, and ultimately, driving strategic decision-making."
Melissa discusses the significance of asking the right questions to drive strategic decision-making. She emphasizes the importance of curiosity and critical thinking in identifying opportunities and mitigating risks. Melissa shares practical tips for refining questioning skills and encourages professionals to challenge assumptions and explore alternative perspectives. She emphasizes the role of asking the right questions in fostering a culture of innovation and continuous improvement.
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Melissa Oviedo
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BMorrow Productions
Website: www.bmorrowproductions.com
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Denise Beckson is the Vice President of Human Resources and Government Relations at Morey's Piers in Wildwood, NJ. With a wealth of experience spanning various roles within the attractions industry, including waterpark operations and lifeguarding, Denise brings a unique perspective to her current position. In this interview, Denise talks about first jobs, recruiting as sales, and government relations.
First jobs
"Today's youth, a lot of them want to work somewhere that there is a social give back."
Denise Beckson is deeply passionate about youth employment and its benefits. She emphasizes the importance of instilling a strong work ethic and sense of responsibility in young individuals. By showcasing well-known figures like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk, who started working as teens, Denise aims to highlight the value of early work experiences. At Morey's Piers, she orchestrates campaigns that not only attract attention but also promote the idea that jobs can be enjoyable and meaningful. From bumper car advertisements featuring prominent individuals to campaigns tied to local charitable causes, Denise ensures that recruiting efforts resonate with the target audience while aligning with the company's core values of fun and community engagement.
Recruiting as sales
"It's important in the recruiting field to make sure you're setting it apart, but you're being true to what it is that you do."
Denise's approach to recruiting transcends conventional methods by treating it as a sales endeavor. She believes in creating memorable experiences and fostering brand recognition to attract potential employees. Morey's Piers employs creative strategies such as utilizing edgy imagery, leveraging social media trends, and collaborating with local charitable organizations to make their recruitment campaigns stand out. By integrating elements like visual billboards and engaging social media content, they not only draw attention but also convey the message that working at Morey's Piers is both fun and socially impactful.
Government relations
"It's important that you understand what you're advocating for in the operational side of it."
In her role overseeing government relations, Denise is a fervent advocate for the attractions industry within legislative processes. She emphasizes the importance of understanding how regulations and policies affect employees, guests, and businesses. Denise encourages individuals to get involved in government relations by staying informed about local, state, and federal legislation. Whether through attending council meetings, joining advocacy committees in industry associations, or participating in political affairs conferences, she believes that collective action and informed engagement can influence policymakers and shape favorable outcomes for businesses and communities alike.
To learn more about Denise Beckson and Morey's Piers, visit the company's website at www.moreyspiers.com. To connect with Denise personally, she can be reached via email at [email protected].
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The AttractionPros Podcast has reached another milestone! After nearly seven years, we are thrilled to reach episode 350. To recognize how far we’ve come since 2017, we put a call out to our audience to share what they have learned from the podcast that has helped them in their business, network, or career. With the hundreds of guests who have been on the show from every corner of the attractions industry, the takeaways are wide and diverse. Matt and Josh also share several things that they have learned as well from producing this podcast every week for 350 weeks. In this episode, the AttractionPros community shares what they have learned from the show.
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James Jensen is the founder and CEO of JUMP, the world’s first wingsuit base jumping simulator. If you have ever dreamed of flying like Superman, but don’t have the time, ability or finances to do it for real, this hyper-realistic simulation might be for you. Early in his life, James began oil painting like his father. Later when he discovered computers, he was happy to locate the undo button and that is what spring boarded his career as a designer. From there he opened his own design agency where he worked with actors on specific sets and green screens, and it wasn’t long after that that he founded the VOID, another immersive attraction. That then led to the founding of JUMP in 2022. In this thought-provoking episode, James talks about going into the future, transformational experiences, and that fear is an illusion.
Going into the future
“In late 2016, I imagined going to JUMP, and what that would be like as a customer.”
James didn’t realize that he and Nicola Tesla had something in common… they would both image their projects or products as they would be in the future (before creation). In James’ case, he mapped out the customer journey and the experience based on the vision of what he saw in the future.
He also wrote a customer review of that imagined experience, which ultimately turned into a guide for his team about what they were trying to create. It directly impacted marketing, the design of the attraction, and how they were trying to make the customer feel throughout the process.
Transformational experiences
“We want you to know one truth. You’re standing in an airplane and you’re about to jump out 15,000 feet to the ground.”
Base jumping in a wingsuit would likely be a transformational experience. As a human, you would have done what very few others have the time, budget, or desire to do, but it would be something you would never forget and you would likely look at life from a different perspective.
The hyper-realistic experience of JUMP, while a simulation of that base jump, aims to be just as transformational because you believe you did something unbelievable. Pulling back the curtain on how JUMP does it, James says a huge part of the experience is to remove all evidence of other input you might notice. Nothing can break the illusion of your new “truth,” that you are about to fly!
Fear is an illusion
“It’s your moment to jump past that [fear] and see success.”
James tells us how when someone is getting ready to jump at JUMP, they are standing at the edge of the airplane, the wind is hitting their face, and they feel the real fear of being unsafe, or that something is about to happen and they need to protect themselves. The “fear state” is created not by what is really happening, but what we project might happen and we feel that fear in the moment.
James hopes that by allowing people to experience fear, and then jump past it in a safe place, people will take not only the experience, but the learning with them. This can help people be more productive and effective as they reevaluate situations in their own lives where fear might be holding them back.
To learn about JUMP, visit https://www.limitlessflight.com/ or follow their social media accounts: Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, Twitter (X).
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Steve Balliet is the Senior Manager of Hershey’s US Owned Retail in Hershey, PA. In his role, Steve runs both Hershey’s Chocolate World locations, with one in Hershey, PA, and one in Times Square in New York. Steve began his career at Dorney Park as a seasonal supervisor where he found his passion for the business, particularly in leadership. Later, Steve took an opportunity to move to Hershey, where he has been for more than 20 years. In this interview, Steve talks about working for a purpose, from the bean to the bar, and transformational leadership.
Working for a purpose
“When you think about Hershey, you think about fun, you think about chocolate, and you think about kids.”
The Milton Hershey School, founded in 1920 by Milton Hershey, is a boarding school for orphan boys. Currently, the school serves thousands of underprivileged kids from all around the country from kindergarten through 12th grade. The school is funded by the Hershey Company and Hershey Entertainment & Resorts in perpetuity.
For Hershey employees, whether they work in the theme park, hotel, factory, or any other business entity, they get to come to work every day knowing that their work serves even more than a profitable business, but that it truly goes to a cause that helps so many people in need.
From the bean to the bar
“Our stories are rooted in reality and authenticity.”
One of the most iconic aspects of Hershey’s Chocolate World is being able to take the factory tour, a dark ride that takes riders through the story of how chocolate is made. Steve refers to it as being an immersive experience, as it brings guests into a compelling story that is both educational and entertaining.
The factory tour was part of Milton Hershey’s vision of being able to showcase how the product is made to demonstrate the high-quality standard that goes into each and every piece of candy. In the 1970s, the popularity of the tour prompted the creation of Hershey’s Chocolate World to create the tour as a standalone experience. Over time, the ride has been updated to reflect continual changes to the story; however, the original track layout and ride system remains unchanged.
Transformational leadership
“My day exists to make my team look good.”
Steve refers to himself as a transformational leader and is passionate about developing the individuals in the teams that he supports. Steve defines transformational leadership as taking complex ideas and making them simple so they can be understood and implemented with ease.
Transformational leadership also incorporates continuous improvement. Steve stresses the importance of failing fast and learning from mistakes in the interest of growth and continual development. Steve says that you should strive to make the guest experience a little better than the day before.
To learn about Hershey’s Chocolate World, visit www.chocolateworld.com. To connect with Steve directly, you can email him at [email protected].
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