Episodes
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Have you ever found yourself dreading the holidays because of family dynamics? In this episode, Whitney discusses dysfunctional family relationships during the holidays, the expectations we carry, and how to approach these situations in healthier ways. You will learn how to accept your family, set boundaries, and actually enjoy your holiday. We recommend listening to this before Thanksgiving dinner with your family.
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In this episode, Whitney answers two caller questions. Caller 1 is dealing with cultural pressures to care for her gaining parents. Caller 2 has parents who are politicians with beliefs that differ from her own.
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Balancing the needs of in-laws, parents, and your new family can be challenging, especially when merging families with different backgrounds and expectations. In this episode, Whitney discusses why open communication, clear boundaries, and empathy are key to maintaining balance. I
Takeaways
Balancing the needs of in-laws, parents, and your new family requires open communication and clear boundaries.
Prioritize your immediate family while considering the needs of your extended family.
Compromise and individual relationships with in-laws and parents can help navigate conflicts.
Consider setting boundaries or distancing yourself in cases of abuse or harm
Timeline
03:58: Negotiating Contrasting Dynamics and Tensions
06:18: Standing Up to Traditions and Family Norms
08:20: The Importance of Open Communication and Clear Boundaries
11:04: Deciding the Role of Your Extended Family
16:26: Seeking Professional Support and Setting Boundaries
Connect
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In this episode, Whitney speaks with two callers. She explores the complexities of parent-child relationships, emotional neglect, parentification, and the challenges of navigating relationships with disabled parents. She discusses the emotional struggles faced by children of abusive parents, the responsibilities of parents to protect their children, and the nuanced perspectives of both victims and perpetrators within family systems. Additionally, Whitney addresses the impact of family businesses on emotional connections and the anxiety that can arise from financial responsibilities placed on children.
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In the wake of this election, many Americans wonder: Can I continue to have a relationship with family members who disagree with me politically? In this episode, Whitney walks you through her own journey in a large family with different political beliefs and provides you with a series of questions to explore. This episode will help you decide what is the right decision for you in your unique situation.
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In this episode, Whitney answers two caller questions. One is about enmeshed in-laws and the other is an adult who is trying to re-parent themselves. She discusses the profound effects of critical parenting on self-perception and self-love. She emphasizes that while individuals can work towards healing and self-acceptance, they may never fully replicate the unconditional love and support that their parents should have provided. Whitney encourages listeners to acknowledge their experiences and the impact of childhood trauma while also recognizing the importance of self-compassion and understanding in their healing journey.
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I invited Janelle (@heyjanellemarie) from TikTok to the podcast this week. I have watched every single one of her toxic mother-in-law videos, and I've been dying to speak with her.
In this episode, Janelle discusses the challenges of navigating relationships with mothers-in-law and the impact it has on marriages. She shares her personal experiences and observations as a content creator on this topic. Our conversation explores common complaints from daughter-in-laws, such as postpartum issues and misalignment in marriages. Janelle also addresses the role of partners in managing these relationships and the cultural differences that can contribute to conflicts. The discussion highlights the need for boundaries and open communication to maintain healthy relationships with in-laws. We explore the challenges and dynamics of the mother-in-law and daughter-in-law relationship, the shift in roles and expectations when a woman becomes a wife and mother, and how this can strain the relationship with her mother-in-law. Mothers-in-law, you can learn a lot from this episode (you, too, sons). And Daughters-in-law, I think this episode will leave you feeling heard, understood, and a little bit less crazy.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
10:19 Common Complaints from Daughter-in-Laws
25:08 Challenging Reconciliation
30:57 Setting Boundaries for Children
44:12 Surrounding Yourself with Honest Feedback
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In this episode, Whitney Goodman reflects on the first anniversary of the Calling Home podcast and community. She emphasizes the importance of community and shared experiences in navigating complex family relationships. The episode also addresses listener questions with a daughter who doesn't want her father to attend her wedding and an adult who wants to discuss her childhood memories with her siblings. There is also a special discount code in this episode for the Calling Home community.
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In this conversation, Whitney Goodman interviews Gabriel, also known as The Indomitable Black Man, about his journey to becoming a content creator who promotes respectful or gentle parenting. They discuss the challenges of being a black man in the gentle parenting space and the misconceptions surrounding discipline and abuse. Gabriel emphasizes teaching and guiding children through discipline rather than resorting to physical punishment. They also explore the long-term effects of abusive parenting on adults, including anxiety, depression, and difficulties with self-regulation. The conversation explores the impact of spanking and abuse, the importance of striving for more than 'fine' in parenting, the power imbalance between adults and children, the denial and accountability of parents, the cycle of bare minimum fatherhood, and breaking generational patterns.
Takeaways
Spanking and abuse can have long-term negative effects on children, leading to physical and mental health issues.
Parents should strive for more than just 'fine' in their parenting, aiming to provide the best for their children and create a positive legacy.
The power imbalance between adults and children should be recognized, and physical discipline should be replaced with effective communication and guidance.
Parents need to acknowledge and take accountability for the trauma they may have caused their children, rather than denying or minimizing it.
Fatherhood should go beyond the bare minimum of providing for children's basic needs, and fathers should actively lead, guide, and support their children.
Breaking generational patterns and cycles of trauma is essential for creating healthier and more positive family dynamics.
Have a question for Whitney? Call Home at 866-225-5466.
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In this episode, Whitney Goodman and Dr. Ramani discuss how narcissism is in the family. This is a great episode for anyone who is wondering:
Is my parent a narcissist?
How do I deal with a narcissistic parent or family member?
How do I set boundaries and disengage?
Are narcissistic adult children born or raised to be this way?
Should I go to therapy with my narcissistic family member?
Have a question for Whitney? Call Home at 866-225-5466.
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The Calling Home podcast is not engaged in providing therapy services, mental health advice, or other medical advice or services, is not a substitute for advice from a qualified healthcare provider, and does not create any therapist-patient or other treatment relationship between you and Calling Home or Whitney Goodman. For more information, please see Calling Home’s Terms of Service.
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This is Part 3 of a 3-part series on adult child and parent estrangement. In this episode, Whitney compares the survey results of estranged parents and estranged adult children. She shares her thoughts about the survey results and dives deeper into what this survey has taught us about this issue.
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In this episode, Whitney shares the findings from a survey of 2382 estranged adult children. She offers a deep dive into why many distance themselves from their parents. The survey reveals common themes such as unresolved conflict, emotional or physical harm, and the lasting impact of difficult childhood experiences, where self-preservation sometimes means breaking away.
What You Will Learn:
[07:40] A breakdown of the findings from the 2382 estranged adult children survey
[25:20] The responses and how they reflect and align with our experiences
[26:04] A preview of part 3 and what to look forward to
Standout Quotes:
“If your parent harmed you or you continue to be harmed by them, you have a right to protect yourself in the same way you do in other harmful or abusive relationships.” [03:52]
“Parent and adult children, if they choose to have contact, both have a responsibility to show up as respective civil adults.” [04:05]
Let’s Connect
Have a question for Whitney? Call Home at 866-225-5466.
Join Whitney’s Family Cycle Breakers Club for further support and discussion on family dynamics at CallingHome.co. Follow the Calling Home community on Instagram.
Click here to get “Toxic Positivity” on paperback.
Follow Whitney Goodman on Instagram or TikTok.
The Calling Home podcast is not engaged in providing therapy services, mental health advice, or other medical advice or services, is not a substitute for advice from a qualified healthcare provider, and does not create any therapist-patient or other treatment relationship between you and Calling Home or Whitney Goodman. For more information on this, please see Calling Home’s Terms of Service.
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This is Part 1 of a 3 Part Series on Adult Child and Parent estrangement. In this episode, Whitney discusses the findings from a survey of 204 estranged parents. You will hear how this group of parents feels about their estrangement from their adult child, what they're willing to do to fix the relationship, and if therapists and social media really are the cause of it all.
The responses from these parents reflect experiences and stories that resonate deeply with many who have faced the pain of family separation. They share their emotional struggles, expressing feelings of loss, confusion, and helplessness as they try to understand why their adult children have distanced themselves. These shared experiences highlight broader patterns in family dynamics, showing that estrangement is a complex yet relatable issue that touches many lives. We can learn a lot from the parents who were willing to share their experiences for this episode.
What You Will Learn:
[09:14] About the survey and how Whitney collected the data
[14:50] A breakdown of the findings from the survey of 204 estranged parents
[39:32] The responses and how they reflect our experiences and stories
[40:54] What to expect and look forward to in Part 2
Standout Quotes:
"Adult children have a lifetime of experience under their parent care; for a minimum of 18 years, the parent has power over them, and this power differential never completely goes away.” [03:13]
“Parents should attempt to be strong, steady leaders even when their children are adults.” [03:35]
“Adults are entitled to have and end relationships with whoever they want to have relationship with, parents and adult children both have this right in adulthood, no matter how painful that is.” [03:41]
Let’s Connect
Have a question for Whitney? Call Home at 866-225-5466.
Join Whitney’s Family Cycle Breakers Club for further support and discussion on family dynamics at CallingHome.co. Follow the Calling Home community on Instagram.
Click here to get “Toxic Positivity” on paperback.
Follow Whitney Goodman on Instagram or TikTok.
The Calling Home podcast is not engaged in providing therapy services, mental health advice, or other medical advice or services, is not a substitute for advice from a qualified healthcare provider, and does not create any therapist-patient or other treatment relationship between you and Calling Home or Whitney Goodman. For more information, please see Calling Home’s Terms of Service.
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In this conversation, Whitney Goodman answers two caller questions about the complexities of estrangement and the challenges of communicating with parents. She emphasizes the importance of self-protection, setting boundaries, and understanding the dynamics of parent-child relationships.
Goodman also discusses the need for accountability and emotional intelligence in reconciliation efforts while acknowledging that not all relationships can or should be repaired. The conversation provides insights into how individuals can navigate their feelings and expectations when dealing with estrangement and communication with parents.
Chapters
00:00 Navigating Estrangement: Understanding the Need for Communication
06:50 Setting Boundaries: The Importance of Self-Protection
10:01 The Complexity of Parent-Child Relationships
15:36 Protocols for Reconciliation: When to Seek Help
Quotes
"I think we should always try to explain ourselves."
"You have to be doing this because it's something that you want to do."
"You don't have to forgive your parent."
Have a question for Whitney? Call Home at 866-225-5466.
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Family estrangement and going no contact are deeply painful and complex experiences that impact both adult children and their parents. Often rooted in unresolved childhood trauma, unmet emotional needs, or longstanding power dynamics, estrangement reflects a significant breakdown in communication and trust within the family. Adult children may choose to distance themselves as a means of self-preservation or to heal from past harm, while parents may struggle to understand or accept these boundaries. Navigating this estrangement requires compassion, reflection, and, often, the willingness to embrace change. Letting go of traditional power structures in parent-child relationships and learning to relate as equals can open the door to healing and, in some cases, reconciliation. However, when reconciliation is not possible, it’s important to acknowledge the grief of disconnection and focus on personal growth and emotional well-being.
In this episode, we discuss adult-child relationships, family estrangement, and how to navigate these disconnections with a special guest, Patrick Teahan. Patrick is a Licensed Independent Clinical Social Worker (LICSW), childhood trauma specialist, and advocate for the Relationship Recovery Process therapy model. As a survivor of childhood trauma, Patrick brings both professional expertise and personal experience to the conversation to provide practical advice on letting go of power struggles, navigating grief when going no contact, and how both sides can work towards mutual understanding and growth.
Join us as we unpack these sensitive issues and explore pathways toward healing!
What You Will Learn:
[00:01] Intro and what in for you in today’s show with Patrick Teahan
[02:39] Patrick’s experience in the parent and adult-child relationship space
[07:39] The disconnect and what is happening in the parent-adult-child relationships
[09:28] What trauma and abuse is and parental defense shame
[14:05] How to fix relationships with estranged children
[19:53] Relating as equals and how parent-children relationships change over time
[26:22] Working on yourself and accepting your parent for who they are
[30:11] How to navigate the grief of going no contact
[35:54] The healing side of lack of connectivity and feeling estranged
[38:24] How to reach out and connect with Patrick
[39:16] Wrap up and end of the show
Standout Quotes:
“Abuse is anything that is less than nurture.” [09:37]
“When a parent is self-righteous, it’s a sign of being massively triggered; you can’t teach someone who is defensive and triggered about human development.” [12:13]
“You’re not going to die if you’re faulted; you’re not a bad person; what is going to fix the relationship with your children is to be open and admit some things were wrong.” [14:22]
Let’s Connect
Patrick Teahan
Website: https://www.patrickteahantherapy.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/patrickteahanofficial/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@patrickteahanofficial
Calling Home Podcast
Have a question for Whitney? Call Home at 866-225-5466.
Join Whitney’s Family Cycle Breakers Club for further support and discussion on family dynamics at CallingHome.co. Follow the Calling Home community on Instagram.
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Follow Whitney Goodman on Instagram or TikTok.
The Calling Home podcast is not engaged in providing therapy services, mental health advice, or other medical advice or services, is not a substitute for advice from a qualified healthcare provider, and does not create any therapist-patient or other treatment relationship between you and Calling Home or Whitney Goodman. For more information on this, please see Calling Home’s Terms of Service.
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Surviving family holidays can be difficult when you are estranged or have unresolved tensions with your family. Holidays and events can bring deep-seated conflicts to the surface. The pressure to maintain peace can be overwhelming, especially when you're masking feelings of distrust and hurt. Navigating these relationships requires setting firm boundaries while managing the expectations of family members.In this Q&A episode, Whitney answers real questions from callers who are having difficulties with their moms and siblings. She provides insights on how to handle estranged relationships, the strain of pretending everything is fine, and the emotional toll of unresolved conflicts. Whitney also offers strategies for maintaining peace during holidays or events, setting boundaries, and managing the pressure to keep everyone happy. What You Will Learn:[00:01] Intro and what you will learn[00:29] How to handle dysfunction and pretending among family members [04:56] How to navigate family events and holidays when estranged [07:09] Calling Home resources for building new traditions[07:56] Prioritizing your own needs when you're with familyStandout Quotes:“Pretending is so hard; pretending that everything is fine when it isn't or your trust or boundary was violated is so really difficult.” [01:41]“Stop trying to make your family be what it was or what you wish it would be, instead find a way to cope and enjoy what you can in the moment.” [07:31]Let’s ConnectHave a question for Whitney? Call Home at 866-225-5466. Join Whitney’s Family Cycle Breakers Club for further support and discussion on family dynamics at CallingHome.co. Follow the Calling Home community on Instagram.Click here to get “Toxic Positivity” on paperback. Follow Whitney Goodman on Instagram or TikTok. The Calling Home podcast is not engaged in providing therapy services, mental health advice, or other medical advice or services, is not a substitute for advice from a qualified healthcare provider, and does not create any therapist-patient or other treatment relationship between you and Calling Home or Whitney Goodman. For more information on this, please see Calling Home’s Terms of Service. Mixing, editing, and show notes provided by Next Day Podcast.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Who should be in the delivery room?
In today’s episode, you will learn why having that conversation with yourself and other family members is critical, especially if you are an expectant mother. Whitney covers why each generations has a different perception and expectation about being in the delivery rooms. Older women, for example, believe they should be allowed in the room while their grandchild is being born while Gen Z mothers feel that they are 100% responsible for choosing who should be let in. What do you think? Let me know after listening to this episode of Calling Home.
Tune in!
What You Will Learn:
[00:01] Intro and what in for you in today’s show
[00:31] Who should be in the delivery room?
[00:59] What do women of older generations feel about it vs Gen Z mothers?
[02:32] Stories from several women
[03:41] The different family dynamics and preferences
[04:26] Factors to consider when making this decision
[04:50] #Understand that birth is not a spectator sport
[06:14] #Embrace open communication and set clear boundaries
[07:27] # Consider cultural norms and personal beliefs
[10:12] Questions to ask yourself before you get anyone to the delivery room
[13:12] Wrap up and end of the show
Standout Quotes:
“Millenials and young Gen Z mothers believe that the person giving birth should 100% decide who gets in the delivery room.” [01:38]
“The debate of who can be allowed in the delivery room should be a personal decision that should depend on a person’s preferences and family dynamics.” [04:08]
“Birth is not a spectator sport. It is a medical procedure that is vulnerable, and you need someone close to you to offer support, care and guidance.” [04:50]
Let’s Connect
Have a question for Whitney? Call Home at 866-225-5466.
Join Whitney’s Family Cycle Breakers Club for further support and discussion on family dynamics at CallingHome.co. Follow the Calling Home community on Instagram.
Click here to get “Toxic Positivity” on paperback.
Follow Whitney Goodman on Instagram or TikTok.
The Calling Home podcast is not engaged in providing therapy services, mental health advice, or other medical advice or services, is not a substitute for advice from a qualified healthcare provider, and does not create any therapist-patient or other treatment relationship between you and Calling Home or Whitney Goodman. For more information on this, please see Calling Home’s Terms of Service.
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Accepting what Is and managing your relationship with parents who may never apologize or change their behavior is not an easy path. It requires a deep level of acceptance, acknowledging that your parents might not become the people you wish they were, and understanding that healing begins with accepting the situation as it is, not as you hope it would be. The path also involves setting boundaries that protect your emotional well-being while allowing space for the relationship to evolve. Whether you choose to continue contact or distance yourself, the focus should be on what serves your growth and peace. Accepting what is doesn't mean giving up; it means recognizing the limits of what your parents can offer and deciding how to move forward in a way that honors your own needs.In this Q&A episode, Whitney answers real questions from callers about how to respond to parents who initiate contact, particularly when past behaviors have caused emotional pain with self-compassion, acceptance, and choosing a path that aligns with personal healing.Tune in!What You Will Learn:[00:01] Intro and what in for you in today’s show [00:29] How to respond when a parent initiates contact without apologizing[05:41] Accepting your parents: What they did, who they are, and what they can offer[09:06] Accepting your parent resources [09:23] Walking the path of what was and is with acceptance [11:57] Wrap up and end of the showStandout Quotes:“You are allowed to feel the way you are feeling about it; you are allowed to give yourself time to process those feelings and decide what change you need to make from there.” [05:19]“There is no right path, but the path to healing starts with accepting what is, what your parent did, and what they can do.” [08:39]“There is no guarantee that maintaining a relationship with a parent is going to fulfill you or going no contact with a parent is going to make your life better or easier; just walk the path that makes sense for you.” [13:22] “It's so important to expect people to be who they have been and be pleasantly surprised when they are not, don't expect them to be different than they always have been, because that's where you're going to get hurt and disappointed.” [10:59]Let’s ConnectHave a question for Whitney? Call Home at 866-225-5466. Join Whitney’s Family Cycle Breakers Club for further support and discussion on family dynamics at CallingHome.co. Follow the Calling Home community on Instagram.Click here to get “Toxic Positivity” on paperback. Follow Whitney Goodman on Instagram or TikTok.The Calling Home podcast is not engaged in providing therapy services, mental health advice, or other medical advice or services, is not a substitute for advice from a qualified healthcare provider, and does not create any therapist-patient or other treatment relationship between you and Calling Home or Whitney Goodman. For more information on this, please see Calling Home’s Terms of Service. Mixing, editing, and show notes provided by Next Day Podcast.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Join Whitney Goodman and Vienna Pharaon, LMFT, as they discuss the role of the Golden Child in a dysfunctional family system. You will learn:
how someone becomes the golden child
why golden children struggle
how sibling dynamics play into this role
how to step out of the golden child role
Let’s Connect
Have a question for Whitney? Call Home at 866-225-5466.
Join Whitney’s Family Cycle Breakers Club for further support and discussion on family dynamics at CallingHome.co. Follow the Calling Home community on Instagram.
Click here to get “Toxic Positivity” on paperback.
Follow Whitney Goodman on Instagram or TikTok.
The Calling Home podcast is not engaged in providing therapy services, mental health advice, or other medical advice or services, is not a substitute for advice from a qualified healthcare provider, and does not create any therapist-patient or other treatment relationship between you and Calling Home or Whitney Goodman. For more information on this, please see Calling Home’s Terms of Service.
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Balancing boundaries and empathy in family relationships means understanding and validating your family's feelings and experiences while also protecting your own emotional and mental well-being. Empathy allows you to connect with your loved ones on a deeper level, but without boundaries, it can lead to neglecting your own needs and compromising your personal space. Setting boundaries doesn't mean you care any less. Instead, it enables you to nurture healthy, respectful, and sustainable relationships without sacrificing your well-being.
In this Q&A episode, Whitney answers real caller questions on issues they are having with their family. Listen and get valuable insights on how to set and maintain healthy boundaries, practice empathy, and heal past wounds within family dynamics.
Tune in!
What You Will Learn:
[00:01] Intro and what in for you in today’s show
[00:29] How to practice empathy for your parent without breaking your boundaries
[07:22] How to navigate parent-sibling dynamics and adult healing
[13:00] Parent-sibling relationship healing and resources
[13:54] Wrap up and end of the show
Standout Quotes:
“You can have empathy and understanding for your parents without totally letting it derail and destroy any boundaries or personal space that you have in your life.” [07:08]
“You have to start working on resolving and healing feelings around how you were treated in comparison to your siblings when you were younger so that it doesn't impact your life in a negative way.” [13:01]
Let’s Connect
Have a question for Whitney? Call Home at 866-225-5466.
Join Whitney’s Family Cycle Breakers Club for further support and discussion on family dynamics at CallingHome.co. Follow the Calling Home community on Instagram.
Click here to get “Toxic Positivity” on paperback.
Follow Whitney Goodman on Instagram or TikTok.
The Calling Home podcast is not engaged in providing therapy services, mental health advice, or other medical advice or services, is not a substitute for advice from a qualified healthcare provider, and does not create any therapist-patient or other treatment relationship between you and Calling Home or Whitney Goodman. For more information on this, please see Calling Home’s Terms of Service.
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