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If reinvention were a passport, Colin Savageâs pages would be full. From global projects across seven countries to helping old-school industries like Japanese insurers modernize with tact, Colinâs career isnât just built on changeâit thrives on it.
In Part One, we go deep on the difference between chasing novelty and building purpose. Colin dismantles the dated idea of âlifelong learningâ and replaces it with something sharper: skill stacking. Youâll also hear how he developed change muscles by moving countries, industries, and ideasâwithout ever losing sight of what matters.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
The Purpose Behind the Pivot
âChange is excitingâbut if thereâs no deeper reason behind it, itâs just noise.â Why purpose should lead, not lag, behind transformation.
Skill Stacking vs. Lifelong Learning
âLifelong learning sounds nobleâbut itâs often aimless. Skill stacking is intentional.â Colinâs case for mastering combinations over collecting badges.
Japan: Where Change Means Patience
âIn the Japanese life insurance industry, I learned that fast isnât always smart.â Why transformation in traditional sectors demands humility and consensus.
The Trap of Unfinished Adventures
âYou can jump into change for the thrillâbut itâs the follow-through that matters.â Why Colin says completion is underrated in careers.
Addicted to Change? Own It.
âI love noveltyâbut Iâve learned to pair it with discipline.â Colinâs method for staying curious without burning out.
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Rebecca Sutherns didnât follow a straight pathâand sheâs the first to say thatâs the point. As a strategy coach and solo entrepreneur for 27 years, sheâs helped leaders rethink whatâs next while doing the same for herself. In this two-part series, we talk about work-life trade-offs, momentum, and why imagining your future might be the most strategic thing youâll do.
If youâve ever hit pause or felt stuck in place, this oneâs worth a listen.Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Midlife Isnât a CrisisâItâs a Cue
âI wasnât burning out, but I could tell I was flatlining.â
How Rebecca used a sabbatical to catch up with herselfânot because she broke, but because she was ready for something deeper.
What Comes After âIâve Got Thisâ
âI kept getting hired for things I could do in my sleep. Thatâs when I knew it was time to stretch again.â
The danger of being competentâand the invitation to do more than just deliver.
Stop Filling Gaps You Donât Want to Own
âI could solve the problem, but that didnât mean I should.â
Why she stepped back from team leadership rolesâeven when others saw it as a step up.
Sabbatical as Prototype
âIt was a test. Could I shift the pace and still be useful?â
Why her sabbatical wasnât a break from workâit was a strategic experiment in working differently.
A Career Built Like a Hammock
âThe structure holds me, but it flexes.â
Her metaphor for a work life that stretches without snappingâanchored but adjustable.
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Rebecca Sutherns didnât follow a straight pathâand sheâs the first to say thatâs the point. As a strategy coach and solo entrepreneur for 27 years, sheâs helped leaders rethink whatâs next while doing the same for herself. In this two-part series, we talk about work-life trade-offs, momentum, and why imagining your future might be the most strategic thing youâll do.
If youâve ever hit pause or felt stuck in place, this oneâs worth a listen.Key Highlights of Our Interview:
27 Years SoloâBy Design
âIâm in year 27 of my own solopreneurial journey.â
Why she stayed intentionally soloâand never looked back.
The Business Started in the Gaps
âIf it sounded interesting⊠and if I could find some childcare, then it was like, okay, Iâll say yes.â
How her career grew between naptimes and network calls.
The Flight That Changed Her Fees
âThis guy said, âYouâre charging what?â And I ended up in this business school program that totally transformed how I priced.â
One plane ride, one wake-up call, five times the income.
Why She Chose Not to Scale
âI didnât want the responsibility of paying someone elseâs mortgage.â
Her unapologetic answer to the growth-at-all-costs model.
Reinvention, Repeated
âI would just change how I looked at the work.â
Why she never pivoted industriesâbut constantly evolved her lens.
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Robert MacPhee didnât start out teaching valuesâhe started out parking cars. But somewhere between the valet stand and becoming Jack Canfieldâs right-hand man (yes, that Chicken Soup guy), Robert found his lane. Now the author of Living a Values-Based Life, heâs guiding people to stop driving in circles and finally align their actions with what truly matters.
In this second half of the series, Robert breaks down how to live out your values in everyday lifeânot just name them. We dig into why values change with life stages, what to do after youâve identified your top five, and how to keep them visible and active as your world evolves.
If youâve ever felt stuck, misaligned, or unsure what to prioritize, this episode gives you the clarity compass you didnât know you needed.Key Highlights of Our Interviews:
Why Itâs So Hard to Define Our Own Values
âMost peopleâs initial list of values often reflects what they think others want to hear.â
Weâre conditioned to impress, not reflectâuntil we learn how to tune out the noise and tune into what really matters.
How a Values-Based Life Can Improve Work
âClarity about values doesnât just make personal life betterâitâs transformative for work too.â
Whether itâs contribution, integrity, or service, values-aligned action makes work more purposeful and less draining.
Do Values Change Over Time? The Short Answer: Yes.
âWhat mattered in high school may be worlds apart from your sixties or seventies.â
Life eventsâfrom caregiving to career pivotsâreshape our internal compass. Values arenât static; they evolve with us.
Keeping Values Visible
âHave them on your phone, your mirror, your nightstandâwhatever it takes.â
Donât just declare your values. Revisit them, reflect on them, and let them guide your daily decisions.
Borrowing Values When You Need Them
âDiscipline and strength may not be on your listâbut sometimes, youâll need to call them in.â
Complementary values can be summoned in certain seasonsâwithout betraying your core.
The 4 Aâs: A Framework for Application
âAssess, pick an Area, choose Actions, and create Accountability.â
Robertâs system helps you go from intention to implementationâbecause without action, itâs just a nice conversation.
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Before he was coaching CEOs or co-creating workshops with Jack Canfield, Robert MacPhee was parking cars. That detour became a defining featureânot a footnote.
In Part One, Robert shares his unlikely path from backstage support to clarity coach. We explore why most people struggle to name their values, how he built the âExcellent Decisionsâ framework, and why aligning your choices with your core values is less about woo-woo ideals and more about long-term clarity.
Forget vibesâthis episode is about learning to steer your life with your own internal compass.
Key Highlights of Our Interviews:
From Jack Canfield to Clarity Coach
âI had the great pleasure of working with Jack Canfield for close to 10 years⊠and then I developed Excellent Decisions, about making choices from vision and values.â
How working with the Chicken Soup for the Soul co-founder led Robert to create his own framework for alignment and success.
The Definition of Values (Without the Fluff)
âOur values are whatâs most important to us⊠the areas we want to put time and attention on, and how we want to show up in the world.â
Robert demystifies âvaluesâ into two key categoriesâpriorities and ways of beingâand why this distinction matters.
Dust-Free and Proud: How Values Show Up at Work
âOne company literally listed âdust-freeâ as a core valueâbecause they cared deeply about being a good neighbor.â
A surprising story about a construction company that proves values donât need to be loftyâthey just need to be lived.
A Workshop, a Wake-Up Call, and 35 Pounds Lost
âShe just got clear that health mattered. Seven weeks later, she lost 35 pounds.â
Why values clarity can be more powerful than any diet plan, productivity hack, or goal-setting framework.
Why Most People Canât Name Their Values
âSchools donât teach it. Parents rarely do. Weâre basically flying blind through life.â
Robert explains why we inherit othersâ values by defaultâand how to break the cycle with conscious exploration.
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Part Two.
The queen of corporate improv is backâand this time, weâre going deeper into the messy, magnificent art of failing forward. In this episode, Erin Diehl shares her Worst Terrifying Failure (aka WTF moment): how the pandemic brought her business to a standstill, her body to a breakdown, and her mindset to a crossroads. But instead of spiraling, she built a comeback rooted in self-healing, radical joy, and a step-by-step method called MOVE ON.
From chronic pain to corporate reinvention, this episode is a masterclass in resilienceâwith punchlines. Spoiler: the jokeâs not on you. Itâs for you.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
WTF = Worst Terrifying Failure
âŻâ2020 was my crash course in failure.â Erin unpacks the three Psâpivoting, people-pleasing, and painâand how they nearly broke her until she rebuilt with purpose, priorities, and peace.
Marinate: Sit With It, Not In It
âFailure isnât a bruiseâitâs a process.â Erinâs MOVE ON method starts with pausing and processing, not pushing through.
Own It: Forgive and Face the Thought Worms
â80% of our thoughts are negativeâand we repeat 95% of them.â Learn how Erin rewired her mental patterns with self-compassion and honesty.
Verify the Lessons & Evaluate the Plan
âEvery faceplant teaches you somethingâif youâre paying attention.â Erin explains how reflection plus action equals transformation.
Observe and Next Failure: Keep Going
âThe N stands for the Next Failureâbecause there will be one.â Erinâs method is built for real life, where the next curveball is always around the corner.
Joy as a Strategy, Not a Side Effect
âMy goal every day is to feel goodâbecause if I donât, I canât help anyone else.â Erin closes with a message on generosity, energy, and the contagious power of a smile.
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Before Erin Diehl was training Fortune 500 teams to think on their feet, she was juggling job fairs by day and Second City by night.
In Part One, we go back to the origin storyâhow a recruiting job collided with a comedy stage and sparked a business idea no one saw coming. From cold pitching United Airlines with zero credentials to redefining ROI as âReturn on Objective,â Erin shares how improv became her leadership laboratory. Along the way, we talk about joy, failure, and what really happens when you turn your side hustle into your full-time mission.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
From Stage Lights to Slide Decks
âI was working in recruiting by day and performing improv by night. Eventually, I realized improv wasnât just funnyâit was functional.â
How Erinâs stagecraft became a corporate tool.
United We Improv
âMy first client was United Airlinesâand I didnât even have a logo yet.â
How one bold pitch turned into a paid pilot and a new career.
In the Business of Joy
âI just knew I wanted to help people and bring joy.â
Why Erin sees her work as more than trainingâitâs emotional transformation.
Forget ROI, Focus on ROO
âWe donât measure ROIâwe measure ROO: Return on Objective.â
How Improve It tailors every session to real business outcomes.
From Talk Show Dreams to Leadership Teams
âI wanted to be Oprah. I ended up helping people lead better lives through improv.â
The full-circle moment that turned childhood dreams into professional purpose.
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In a world obsessed with AI, automation, and the next big tech trend, Todd Davis believes human intelligence is more valuable than ever.
Sure, AI can crunch numbersâbut can it build trust, resolve conflicts, or make people feel heard?
In Part 2, we go straight into the human side of leadershipâwhy most people donât actually listen, why trust is like a bank account, and how one employee nearly lost her career over a simple blind spot. Todd also shares a powerful story about a prison inmate who transformed his life using The 7 Habitsâa reminder that leadership isnât about titles. Itâs about impact.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
The Art of Actually Listening
âMost people arenât listening. Theyâre just waiting for their turn to talk.â
The leadership skill no one teachesâbut everyone needs.
The Trust Bank Account
âWithdraw too much without making deposits, and youâll be bankrupt.â
How trust works just like moneyâand why leaders must invest in it.
A Career Almost Ruined by One Blind Spot
âShe was the smartest person in the room. But no one wanted to work with her.â
How self-awareness can make or break careers.
The 7 Habits⊠In Prison
âAn inmate wrote to us saying the book changed his life.â
How leadership principles apply anywhereâeven behind bars.
Why Human Intelligence is the Competitive Advantage
âCompanies are chasing AI skills. But what they actually need? People who can think, communicate, and lead.â
Why interpersonal skillsânot algorithmsâwill shape the future of work.
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Todd Davis didnât just teach The 7 Habitsâhe lived them for 30 years inside the leadership company that built its name on them.
As the former Chief People Officer at FranklinCovey, Todd spent three decades coaching teams, executives, and entire organizations on what truly drives effectivenessâand what quietly kills it. In this episode, he unpacks why trust is more than a buzzword, how most leaders think theyâre being clear (but arenât), and whatâs gone missing in todayâs fast-changing workplace.
Whether youâre leading a team or just trying to survive your next meeting, this is your crash course in timeless leadership with zero fluff.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
From Recruiting to the C-Suite
âI was just hiring people. Then suddenly, I was leading them.â
How Todd built a 30-year career at FranklinCovey without ever planning for it.
The Secret to Long-Term Career Growth
âI didnât hop around jobs. I stayed put and made an impact.â
Why depth, consistency, and trust still beat flashy résumés.
The 7 Habits Still WorkâHereâs Why
âTheyâre not business tactics. Theyâre human principles.â
Why The 7 Habits remain relevantâeven in an age of AI and burnout.
Whatâs Wrong With Workplaces Today?
âPeople donât hate work. They hate how work is designed.â
The real reasons employees disengageâand what better leadership could fix.
The #1 Leadership Skill People Get Wrong
âMost leaders think theyâre clear. Theyâre not.â
How miscommunication erodes trustâand how to stop it from happening.
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What if the biggest barrier to innovation isnât a lack of ideasâbut a mountain of pointless work?
In Part Two of this series, Lisa Bodell, CEO of FutureThink and one of the worldâs top speakers on simplification, walks us through her strategy to make workâand lifeâless overwhelming and more meaningful. She shares how organizations like Pfizer and Google cut clutter to free up creativity, and how we can do the same in our personal lives. Lisa also gets personal about parenting, mental health, and why she believes simplicity is a survival skill in the age of AI.
From ditching unnecessary meetings to raising future-ready kids, this episode is a manual for letting go of the noise and doubling down on what matters.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Why Simplicity Is a Leadership Strategy
âSimplification isnât organizing. Itâs deletion. If you removed just 10% of your clutterâmental or physicalâyour life would transform.â
Kill a Stupid Rule (Redux)
âPfizer didnât need more innovation. They needed fewer barriers. Killing one pointless process saved them thousands of hours.â
Busy â Valuable
âWeâve rewarded âmoreâ instead of âmeaningful.â Hustle culture thrives on this lieâand itâs breaking people.â
Personal Simplicity Starts with Self-Audit
âWrite down everything you do in a month. Circle whatâs meaningful. Now ask: what can you delete, delegate, or decline?â
How to Say No Without Burning Bridges
âTry saying: âYes, ifâŠâ instead of âYes, andâŠâ Boundaries are the gateway to better work.â
AI vs. Human Intelligence
âAI gives you answers. But it canât ask the right questions. Thatâs where human intelligence still leads.â
What Schools Get Wrong About the Future
âWeâre training kids to be future employees, not future humans. Thatâs got to change.â
Redefining Learning with Power Skills
âForget soft skillsâtheyâre power skills now. Curiosity, resilience, empathy: these will matter more than any degree.â
Raising Future-Ready Humans
âMy daughter trained with the FBI. My son wants to be an entrepreneur. I bring them to my talks so they see work in action.â
Why Simplicity Is a Mental Health Imperative
âItâs not about doing lessâitâs about doing more of what matters. Simplicity doesnât just help work. It heals people.â
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Lisa Bodell didnât just study the futureâshe built a career helping others prepare for it.
In Part One of this two-part series, the CEO of FutureThink shares how her path from advertising to futurism led to a global mission: helping teams simplify, innovate, and stop drowning in busywork. She breaks down what it really means to be a futurist (hint: no crystal balls involved), why complexity is the true enemy of innovation, and how sheâs helped companies like Pfizer kill zombie meetings and make space for what actually matters.
If your calendar is packed but your brain is fried, this episode is for you.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
From Ads to Innovation Strategy
âI was great at selling creative ideasâbut I realized people needed help generating them.â
What a Futurist Actually Does
âItâs not about trendspotting. Itâs a structured approach to planning multiple scenariosâand preparing for them.â
Why Simplicity Comes First
âPeople arenât tired of innovation. Theyâre tired of all the unnecessary stuff that gets in the way.â
The Leap into Entrepreneurship
âWhen you work for yourself, thereâs no safety net. But thatâs what makes it excitingâand all yours.â
Pivoting with Purpose
âNothing stays the same. The best entrepreneurs know howâand whenâto shift.â
Futuring â Trendspotting
âReal futurists use models, not guesses. Itâs about resilience through structured foresight.â
Kill a Stupid Rule (Yes, Really)
âWhen Pfizer saw that employees couldnât get things done, we trained 40 champions in one simple tactic: kill a stupid rule. The result? Thousands of hoursâand dollarsâsaved.â
Make Room for What Matters
âSimplification isnât about doing less. Itâs about doing more of whatâs meaningful.â
Busy â Valuable
âWe reward people for doing more, not for doing what matters. Thatâs the problem.â
Personal Simplicity = Mental Clarity
âWrite down everything you do. Circle whatâs meaningful. Then start deleting whatâs not.â
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Part Two of a 2-part series with Deborah Perry Piscione.
Sheâs been a White House staffer, a Silicon Valley founder, and now co-author of Employment is Dead. In this final chapter, Deborah unpacks the future of learning, hiring, and leadership. Her son skipped college, built a six-figure business, and learned survival in Antarcticaâand she says that path may be more relevant than a classroom.
From blockchain credentials to portfolio careers and life-stage flexibility, Deborah lays out whatâs next for both workers and employers. She also answers the big question: does âemployment is deadâ mean we stop working? Not even close. But we do stop settling.
If youâre a leader, parent, or Gen Zer trying to understand what the future holdsâthis oneâs for you.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Degrees Are Optional, Grit Isnât
âMy son crossed the Drake Passage and got left on a roadside in Argentina. He didnât go back to collegeâbut he learned more than any syllabus could teach.â
Employment Is Dead? Not Quite
âIâm not saying sit in the basement and play video games. Iâm saying donât tolerate a system that treats you like a cog.â
The Rise of Life-Stage Flexibility
âWhether youâre 25 or 55, you deserve a career path that adjusts to your lifeânot the other way around.â
Why Employers Must Wake Up Now
âOne person can now do the job of three. If leaders donât plan for that shift, theyâll lose talent before they know what hit them.â
The Most Important Executive Role? CHRO
âYes, you need a chief AI officer. But you need a human-centered CHRO even moreâto help people evolve with the tech.â
The IBM Example
âIBMâs CEO told employees: âIf this next chapter isnât for you, weâll help you find a new path.â Thatâs empathy in action.â
Letâs Talk T-Shaped Talent
âItâs not just about your vertical expertiseâitâs what else you bring across disciplines that makes you valuable now.â
Redefining Work in the AI Age
âNew tech like smart contracts and DAOs will let us work on our terms, from anywhere, on things we actually care about.â
Why Gen Z Might Be Right
âWe were told to follow one path. Theyâre building tenâand most of them donât involve climbing a corporate ladder.â
What âEmployment Is Deadâ Really Means
âTraditional jobs may be fading, but work isnât going anywhere. Whatâs dying is the idea that your life has to fit inside someone elseâs system.â
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What happens when a political insider, a Silicon Valley entrepreneur, and a bestselling author walk into a podcast? You get Deborah Perry Piscione.
In Part One of this two-part series, Deborah shares her wild career rideâfrom shaping policy in Washington to pioneering bottoms-up innovation in tech. She breaks down why fear is a tool in politics, but collaboration fuels real changeâand how a chance encounter in a coffee shop led to her first startup and a new lens on what work could be.
From co-founding six ventures to co-authoring Employment is Dead, Deborahâs story is a masterclass in trusting your instincts, failing fast, and knowing when to break the rules. Part Two will dive deeper into AI, upskilling, and why Gen Z might be the smartest workforce weâve ever had.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
From Capitol Hill to Palo Alto
âIn D.C., I learned how to divide people. In Silicon Valley, I learned how to bring them together.â
The Starbucks That Changed Everything
âA stranger asked, âHow can I help you?â Three weeks later, I had venture capital.â
Six Companies, Six Books, No Master Plan
âI didnât have a big strategyâjust instincts, observation, and the nerve to try.â
Innovation Isnât Top-Down Anymore
âThe best ideas often come from the people with the smallest paychecks.â
Risk Is the Real Skill
âYou can throw ten ideas at the wall. One might stick. The rest will teach you.â
Founders Dilemma: Know When to Let Go
âSometimes itâs not about the perfect numberâitâs about moving the mission forward.â
Why She Launched Work3 Institute
âPeople spend most of their waking hours at work. So why do so many feel terrible doing it?â
Old Model, New World
âI never understood why finishing work early meant I had to sit until 6 p.m. Taylorism still haunts us.â
Empowering Workers, Not Just Employers
âWeâre not just talking to companiesâweâre telling workers: you have choices now.â
Gen Z Knows More Than the Bosses
âFor the first time, a generation entering the workforce understands the future of work better than the people in charge.â
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Part Three of a 3-part series with Josh Drean.
Josh isnât here to tweak the old systemâheâs here to build a new one. In this final chapter, the Work3 Institute co-founder and co-author of Employment is Dead goes deep on what it actually takes to evolve.
Vince and Josh tackle the hard stuff: Are degrees still relevant in a skills-first world? How does blockchain flip the hiring process? What if your next âemployeeâ is actually a DAO participant with token voting power? And what happens to companies who still think Zoom fatigue is the biggest problem facing the future of work?
If your HR strategy still lives in a Word doc, this episode is your sign to evolveâor get left behind.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Degrees vs. Skills: Why the Shift Is Happening Now
âDegrees used to guarantee employment. Not anymore. Employers are waking upâskills win.â
The Truth About Ivy League Pedigree
âAt Harvard, the educationâs fineâbut itâs the connections that count. Thatâs the real ROI of the degree.â
AI Has Already Broken the Hiring Process
âYouâve got AI writing job descriptions, AI writing rĂ©sumĂ©s, and AI screening candidates. Humans barely touch the funnel anymore.â
Blockchain and the Rise of the Verifiable Résumé
âWith blockchain, we donât have to trust youâwe already know. Your digital wallet becomes your skills passport.â
DAO 101: Flattening Hierarchies and Sharing Power
âA DAO lets frontline workers vote on strategy, not just execute it. Itâs work by consensus, not command.â
Why Micromanagers Should Be Nervous
âWe donât need six layers of oversight. Tech lets teams self-govern and move fasterâwith less drama.â
The Gen Z Warning Shot
âGen Z isnât lazyâtheyâre just not buying the 9-to-5. If you donât offer autonomy and impact, theyâll leave.â
Spotifyâs Win: Let Work Fit Life, Not the Other Way Around
âCompanies like Spotify get itâflexibility, rhythm, and respect lead to loyalty.â
From Analog to AI: Vinceâs Gen X Reflection
âWe learned on Lotus, adapted to Excel, and now manage in the age of ChatGPT. Tech is the bridge, not the barrier.â
Final Advice for Employers: Evolve or Be Replaced
âChange isnât optional. Either reshape your workplaceâor get ready to lose your best people to the ones who did.â
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Part Two of a 3-part series on Josh Drean.
Josh has worn many hatsâHarvard MBA, psychology grad, co-founder of Work3 Institute and now, co-author of Employment is Dead (Harvard Business Review Press).
In Part 1, we tore down the outdated rituals of traditional employment, including the performative disaster that is the annual engagement survey. Today in Part 2, we go behind the scenes: how did a random cold call spark a bestselling book that landed at HBR?
Josh shares the publishing highs and headachesâcrafting a 120-page proposal, keeping the book relevant in a fast-changing world, and building an audience in real time on social media while the manuscript sat in editing limbo. This oneâs for every creator, innovator, and future-of-work disruptor trying to stay ahead of the curve.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
A Book Born from a Cold Call
âI know this sounds completely random, but do you want to write a book together?â Thatâs how co-author Deborah Perry Piscione kicked off Employment is Dead. One unexpected phone call, a big idea, and a sticky title laterâthey caught Harvard Business Reviewâs attention.
Publishing in a Real-Time World
âImagine writing a chapter a year ago, only to have it go live twelve months laterâitâs outdated by then.â With AI and Web3 changing everything weekly, Josh kept the conversation fresh through TikTok, LinkedIn, and YouTube while waiting for the book to hit shelves.
The Proposal That Was âWay Too Longâ
âWe ended up with 120 pagesâwhich everyone said was way too much.â But that oversized pitch sparked a bidding war. Why? Because they werenât just selling a book. They were calling out a broken systemâand offering a blueprint to fix it.
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What if employment as we know it has already diedâand weâre just pretending not to notice?
In Part One of this three-part series, Josh DreanâHarvard MBA, startup founder, and co-author of Employment is Dead(Harvard Business Review Press)âjoins Vince to dissect the slow death of traditional work. From the failure of annual engagement surveys to the false promise of âpeople-firstâ slogans, Josh makes it clear: the current system was built for the factory floor, not the future.
We trace Joshâs journey from studying psychology to working in corporate consulting during the pandemic, and now building the Work3 Institute to help leaders redesign employment itself. Why is HR still feared? Why are employees called âassetsâ but treated like expenses? And how can new technologies like Web3 create better human systems?
Part Two digs into how a cold outreach led to an HBR publishing dealâand the 10 principles Josh says every modern worker wants now.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Why Engagement Surveys Are a Broken Ritual
âSurveys are the dumbest way to build a relationship. Theyâre not designed for honestyâand most leaders donât really want the truth.â
The False Math of âPeople Are Our Greatest Assetâ
âIf people were really assets, theyâd show up on the balance sheet. But they donât. Theyâre an expenseâand treated like one.â
The Pandemic Wake-Up Call
âI started consulting right as COVID hit. It forced companies to rethink safety, remote work, and what their employees actually needed.â
The HR Dilemma: Protector of People or Risk Manager?
âMost employees still associate HR with layoffs. Thatâs a brand problemâand a system design failure.â
From Assembly Lines to AI: Why Taylorism Is Still Haunting Us
âModern work still clings to an industrial-era modelâcheck the box, donât ask questions. That doesnât fit the information age.â
How Psychology Led Josh Into Web3 and DAO Culture
âMy reason for doing this never changedâitâs about building better experiences. But tech gave me the tools to scale that.â
Meet the Digital Native Workforce (a.k.a. Your Kids)
âMy 8-year-old builds real friendships through Fortnite. If you think digital community isnât realâyouâre already behind.â
The 10 Operating Principles of Work3
âFrom flexibility and autonomy to interoperability and ownershipâthese are the non-negotiables for the next generation of work.â
Why Forcing People Back to the Office Will Backfire
âEmployees donât want the typewriter factory version of work. RTO is a backwards stepâand they know it.â
From Psychology Grad to HBR Author: Joshâs Journey Begins
âI didnât have a tenured chair or a best-selling track record. Just a cold outreach, a clear messageâand a broken system to fix.â
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Overwhelmed by life? Alison Stewart gets itâand sheâs building a startup to help fix it.
In Part Two, the Overalls COO shares how her team is rethinking employee benefits by offering something surprisingly human: life support, literally. Whether itâs booking a plumber, navigating eldercare, or finding summer camps before the January rush, Overalls acts as a concierge for the chaos of modern life.
Alison also opens up about what it really takes to scale an idea from zeroâwhile trusting yourself to write the policies, run the ops, and still answer the phones. Spoiler: sheâs done it all. If youâve ever dreamed of building something meaningful from scratch, this is your operations masterclass.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:What Overalls Actually Does (Hint: Itâs Not Laundry)
âWeâre your life conciergeâhandling everything from vetting plumbers to eldercare planning. Our job is to give your time and sanity back.â
The Startup Test: From Strategy to Scheduling Cleaners
âTwo weeks in, I was calling Colorado well inspectors, pitching insurance partners, and writing job descriptions. All in one day. Thatâs startup life.â
Why a Stay-at-Home Mom Might Be Your Next Concierge
âWe tapped into an overlooked talent poolâretirees, caregivers, underemployed parentsâand gave them flexible, meaningful work. Itâs a win-win.â
HR Is Finally Getting Thank-You Notes
âEmployers tell us: this is the first time employees are actively thanking HR for a benefit. Thatâs unheard of.â
The Burnout Solution That Isnât Therapy
âBurnout isnât always solved by meditation apps. Sometimes, itâs about having someone book that MRI or call the insurance company for you.â
Confidence as a Startup Operator: Earning It Day by Day
âDo I know how to write an HR policy? Not at first. But I figured it out. In a startup, everythingâs your job.â
Why Big Company Life Doesnât Prepare You for This
âIn corporate, you focus on one slice. In startup life, you are the pie. You handle everything, whether or not youâve done it before.â
From Lean to Leveraged: Hiring with Intention
âWriting job descriptions meant I could finally hire someone to take something off my plate. But no one else was going to write them.â
Mindset > Metrics (At Least in the Beginning)
âDonât just optimize for titles or compensation. Start with: What am I actually excited to build? What problem do I care enough to solve?â
Advice for Fellow Change Progressives
âTalk to people. Write it down. Be honest about what lights you upâand patient with the timeline. Growth is a slow burn. Trust it.â
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Not all career changes are dramatic. Some are deeply deliberateâand a little serendipitous.
In Part One, Alison Stewart, COO of Overalls, walks us through her transition from 10+ years in the financial sector to co-founding a startup she discovered on LinkedIn. With two kids at home and a stable job in a Fortune 100 company, Alison didnât jump recklessly. Instead, she asked the hard questions: Am I fulfilled? What do I want next? And how much risk am I really willing to take?
This episode unpacks what happens when you combine career intuition with operational precisionâand how a well-timed DM can change everything.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:From Corporate Climb to Personal Wake-Up Call
âTime started blending together during the pandemic. I had to ask: Am I actually happy? Or just coasting in a cycle of constant resets?â
The Treadmill of Big Company Life
âWith every leadership change, we took ten steps back before we moved one forward. I was learningâbut I wasnât growing.â
Childhood Moves, Adult Adaptability
âMoving five times by age 14 taught me to see change as an opportunity. That mindset still guides me today.â
The Pregnancy + Merger Combo
âJust weeks before giving birth to my second child, my business unit was sold. The uncertainty couldâve been paralyzingâbut I chose to treat it as a new beginning.â
RiskâBut Not Reckless: Mapping a Smarter Pivot
âI didnât quit cold. I asked: What am I good at? What fulfills me? What can my family support? I gave myself permission to exploreâand permission to say no.â
The Non-Obvious Job Search Strategy
âInstead of applying for jobs I knew I could do, I reverse-engineered what I wanted: values, pace, purpose. I wasnât chasing a titleâI was chasing a fit.â
The Moment Overalls Popped Off the Screen
âWhen I read about Overalls, something clicked. I didnât even know if they were hiring. I just knew I had to reach out.â
Why LinkedIn Isnât Just Noise
âIt wasnât a random scroll. I used LinkedIn intentionallyâto research, reflect, and eventually connect. That DM changed everything.â
Communicating Across Industries
âMoving out of insurance meant translating my skill set. I had to show how what I did mapped onto what I wanted to do.â
Community + Clarity = Career Confidence
âA networking group of MBA alumni helped me spot my own excitement. They said, âThis one lights you up. Go for it.â That feedback made all the difference.â
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Most people retire after one successful business. Ral West kept building.
In this episode, Ral shares how she co-ran a charter airline between Alaska and Hawaii for 25 yearsâeventually selling it to Alaska Airlinesâand then launched into her next chapters: owning cruise ships, investing in real estate syndications, and helping other entrepreneurs find sustainability without burnout.
From navigating gender bias in a family business to designing automated booking systems and letting go of control through delegation, Ralâs story is a masterclass in evolving through every season of life. Whether youâre in the startup grind, planning an exit, or rethinking what âretirementâ meansâher story will get you dreaming smarter and bolder.
Key Highlights of Our Interview:The 25-Year Flight Plan: From Tourism to Aviation
âI started in Alaska tourism. My husband was in real estate. Together, we launched a charter service to Hawaiiâand turned it into a full airline.â
Selling to Alaska Airlines: A Strategic Exit
âWe knew they were entering the Hawaii market. Instead of competing, we showed them why buying us was smarter.â
When Cruise Ships Became the Next Chapter
âWe bought five small cruise ships out of bankruptcy, redesigned the Alaskan travel experienceâand then pivoted again after COVID shut everything down.â
Why Real Estate Was the Right Post-COVID Play
âWe own part of over 6,000 apartment units in five states. Why? Because homeownership is becoming harder, and rental demand is rising.â
From Exhaustion to Empowerment: Lessons from the Middle Years
âBetween 35 and 55, I was stretched thinâbusiness, babies, burnout. I had to build systems and teams to stay afloat.â
The Real ROI of Delegation
âDelegation isnât about giving things awayâitâs about building trust and giving others space to shine.â
Turning Intuition into Systems
âI realized I made ad-spend decisions based on 3-day sales trends. Once I named it, I turned it into a repeatable formula my team could follow.â
Reservation System Reinvention
âWe invested two years into building an online booking system that ran 24/7âfreeing us from the phones and doubling our revenue.â
Not Your Typical Retirement Plan
âI couldâve retired 16 years ago. I didnât. I love working. My retirement plan is doing what I want, when I want, with the systems to support it.â
Advice for Entrepreneurs at Any Age
âBe bold. Stay curious. Watch the world. And donât let ageâor fearâbe the thing that keeps you small.â
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Comebacks rarely happen all at once. Theyâre built in small moments, with slow wins.
In Part Two, Athena Brownson opens up about what it really takes to rebuild when chronic illness becomes your new normal. She walks us through her mindset rituals, the power of written affirmation, and how she finally learned the one thing no athlete ever wants to admit: she couldnât do it alone.
From retraining her brain to let go of pain patterns, to redefining leadership through delegation, Athena shares a playbook for resilience thatâs part spiritual, part practical, and 100% earned.
Whether youâre healing from illness, burnout, or just lifeâs curveballsâthis is your reminder that growth is still possible, even in survival mode.Key Highlights of Our Interview:
Training Her Brain to Stop Listening to Pain
âOur brains get stuck in pain patterns. I use breathwork, affirmations, and routines to teach mine a new message: Youâre safe. Youâre healing.â
Why Routines Became Her Lifeline
âEvery day starts with journaling, breathwork, affirmations. I write: I am healthy. I am healing. My body is getting stronger. I speak it until I believe it.â
Delegation as a Leadership Superpower
âBeing sick taught me what being a leader really meansâletting go. Delegation isnât giving up control; itâs giving others a chance to thrive.â
How Chronic Illness Redefined Her Business Model
âI couldnât keep doing it all. So I built a team that could run without me on bad daysâand succeed with me on the good ones.â
Your Tribe Is Everything
âAfter ten years, I finally found people who want me well. Who care more about my health than a commission. Theyâre my family now.â
The Mental Game of Chronic Recovery
âYou donât need to fix it all today. Start with one percent better. Thatâs how I got out of survival mode.â
Accountability on Paper
âI print out my must-do list and check it off every day. If I donât write it down, it doesnât happen. Itâs how I stay in motion.â
Pen, Paper, and Confidence
âWriting makes the healing real. Every word reinforces a new belief systemâone I can see and hold.â
Jodie Foster, Masterclass, and the Simplicity of Creation
âAll you need is pen, paper, and confidence. That line hit me. You donât need a perfect plan. You just need to start.â
Her Message to Anyone Struggling
âItâs okay to acknowledge pain. Just donât stay stuck in it. Tiny steps add up. Your healing doesnât need to be loudâit just needs to begin.â
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