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In this episode of DoâŻThis,âŻNotâŻThat, host JayâŻSchwedelson shares simple but overlooked email and social tacticsâfrom skipping preheaders to breaking up text for more white spaceâand gets honest about his doctorâs visit.
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Best Moments:
(00:13) Easy tactics youâre not using for email and social
(01:22) Have you ever tested no preheader?
(02:04) No preheader lifts open rates by 12â14%
(03:26) Try just one call to action button
(03:56) One CTA = 3x more clicks
(04:38) Four+ lines of text drops clicks by 20%
(05:16) LinkedIn: use enters to force âmoreâ clicks
(06:39) Instagram carousels: add minimalist slides
(09:15) Why do I lie to my doctor?
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In this episode of DoâŻThis,âŻNotâŻThat, host JayâŻSchwedelson welcomes bestselling author and StoryBrand founder Donald Miller, who shares how brands can clarify their messaging using story structure, the power of soundbites, and why customer-centric storytelling wins.
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Check out Donald Millerâs free website analyzer and more resources at storybrand.ai and storybrand.com. For questions or to connect directly, email [email protected].
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BestâŻMoments:
(00:35) Do you realize collectively his books have spent more than a year on the New York Times bestseller list?
(06:22) What is the mistake that brands make most often when they're trying to tell their story? What should they be doing instead?
(08:05) You need soundbites, and those soundbites need to be about your customer survival. They don't need to be about you.
(09:57) Kids love aquariumsâthey saw a 99% increase in sales when they put that soundbite everywhere
(17:06) Social proof is about showing you're good at getting people out of a holeâcustomers want to know if you care and if you're competent
(21:32) A good story is actually, it has a very succinct plot and a million subplots
(28:00) Take your domain, go to storybrand.ai, and for free, enter your domain into our website analyzer tool
(30:30) AI is the best thought partner I've ever worked with
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In this episode of DoâŻThis,âŻNotâŻThat, JayâŻSchwedelson answers a listenerâs question on how to âun-AIâ your marketing content, then shares his latest reality TV favorites.
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Best Moments:
(00:30) Are there anti-AI things we should be doing to stand out?
(01:40) Avoid the green check mark and party popper emojisâthey signal AI-written content
(03:00) Avoid words like unlock, discover, boost, grow, optimize at the start of subject lines or posts
(04:15) Use expressive spelling, intentional typos, and no capsâAI will never suggest this
(07:10) Below Deck season 12 just startedâreality TV recommendations
(08:09) Bachelor in Paradise is back July 7thâcountdown begins
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In this episode of DoâŻThis,âŻNotâŻThat, JayâŻSchwedelson shares a key LinkedIn analytics update, explains why his events use âearned on demand,â and talks about the end of supermarket gossip magazines.
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Best Moments:
(00:17) LinkedIn just had a major, major update to some analytics
(01:06) Now you can see if your LinkedIn post brought profile viewers or new followers
(02:22) More impressions doesnât always mean more followers or profile views
(05:14) We do âearned on demandââattend live to get access to recordings
(05:46) Our show up rates hit 70% with this model
(07:22) People who show up live convert to pipeline 400% more than on-demand viewers
(10:04) Big gossip magazines are shutting down
(11:22) Tabloid headlines? âWe just make up what will sell magazinesâ
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In this episode of The Bathroom Break, JayâŻSchwedelson and Daniel Murray break down a fast, effective social post tactic that drives engagement and helps you source incredible content collaboratorsâno matter your brand type or audience size.
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Best Moments:
(01:36) What about you? Like, I never heard you I didn't even know you go to the beach.
(02:46) It's doing a social post and asking for people to raise their hand to participate in your content.
(03:33) The really key part is is getting people to tag other people.
(04:30) It also have great community building and list building for you.
(05:07) We're looking for new people to do come in our webinar as a guest.
(05:55) It's project one to many because going DM to DM is really hard.
(06:41) It's not even about having a big following.
(07:29) The key is to ask people also to recommend other people.
(07:50) Would Daniel Murray is he like, oh, there's a lazy river. I want to go in the lazy river?
(08:36) Because you don't have to do anything, except once in a while you bump into a weird family.
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In this episode of DoâŻThis,âŻNotâŻThat, host JayâŻSchwedelson shares three easy-to-miss tactics that boost engagement on LinkedIn, Instagram, and emailâand closes with a story of mistaken identity on spring break in Cancun.
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Best Moments:
(01:02) Commenting on old LinkedIn posts boosts profile views by 20â25%
(03:06) Share your Instagram reel to 20 people with unique notes for 40% more engagement
(05:53) A subject line with just the recipientâs first name lifted open rates by 25%
(09:48) Jay accidentally slept in a strangerâs hotel room on spring break
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In this episode of DoâŻThis,âŻNotâŻThat, host JayâŻSchwedelson talks with Leigh King, Director of Special Projects and Events at the Council of Fashion Designers of America. Leigh shares how she broke into the fashion world, what itâs really like behind the scenes of major events like New York Fashion Week, and why success in fashion takes more than a good outfit.
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Best Moments:
(01:18) That's a good question. So like you said, I'm the Director of Special Projects and Events at CFDA
(03:41) The short answer is no, it's not easy. It was a lot of hustling
(07:20) I did get that internship. It was really great because it was actually a full time internship
(08:46) That designer is Zach Posen. And I went and worked with Zach Posen as his assistant
(11:45) I've been there for about ten and a half years now, working my way up
(13:00) It is very hard to break into fashion in any role
(14:11) You have to be super assertive and network and meet people and DM people on Instagram
(15:04) Really, it's 95% Excel sheets and table charts and colors of linen or flowers
(16:20) The industry is working to make Fashion Week more democratic
(17:47) Jenna, if you're watching this, you know how much I love you
(18:58) Find me on Instagram. Because apparently I don't LinkedIn or update my LinkedIn very well
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In this episode of DoâŻThis,âŻNotâŻThat, host JayâŻSchwedelson answers a listener feeling stuck at work with real talk on job hunting while employed. Then he dishes out takes on upcoming rebootsâfrom Smurfs to Scarlet Johansson vs. dinosaurs.
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Best Moments:
(01:31) Don't quit your job until you have another one
(02:25) Employed candidates get 3x more offers than unemployed ones
(04:03) DM people for adviceânot jobsâto start real conversations
(05:02) Your next job just needs to suck less
(07:05) Use PTO for free coursesâadd them to LinkedIn
(09:34) Fantastic Four reboot might be the best superhero movie ever
(10:55) Jurassic World again? Why are we doing this?
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In this episode of DoâŻThis,âŻNotâŻThat, host JayâŻSchwedelson dives into the rising popularity of 15-minute micro events for marketers, the early arrival of holiday campaigns, OpenAI's new hardware ambitions, and the best and worst TikTok trends making waves this week.
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BestâŻMoments:
(00:31) Micro events in the summer is where it is at
(01:20) 15-minute micro events have a 60% higher show up rate
(02:03) LinkedIn desktop max video upload is 15 minutes
(03:08) Instagram Live drop-off after 15 minutes is 70%
(04:23) Holiday campaigns are launching now in June
(05:11) OpenAI teams up with Appleâs former hardware design legend
(06:41) AI pin device expected within 24 months
(07:41) Jennifer Aniston producing 9 to 5 reboot, Dolly Parton wonât star but approves the script
(08:30) Students lighting Chromebooks on fire for TikTok trend
(09:13) Sprite launches âSprite + Teaâ based on viral social trend
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In this episode of The Bathroom Break series, hosts JayâŻSchwedelson and Daniel Murray share smart, ethical ways to analyze competitorsâ marketing strategies. They break down free tools and real tactics you can use todayâwithout ever copying your rivals.
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Best Moments:
(01:29) Understanding how to reverse engineer competitors' marketing strategies
(01:53) Identifying different types of competitors: direct, category, and attention stealers
(02:45) Using SparkToro to discover hidden influencers your audience follows
(03:41) How to determine what email platform competitors are using ([email protected])
(04:15) Leveraging ChatGPT to analyze marketing strategies on different websites
(04:43) Using BuiltWith to see competitors' tech stacks and website tools
(05:14) Analyzing successful ads with Meta Ad Library
(06:05) Exploring competitor keywords and ads with SpyFu
(06:28) Experiencing competitors' marketing funnels firsthand
(07:40) Brief discussion about living in Miami and dealing with hurricanes and heat
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In this episode of Do This, Not That, host Jay Schwedelson interviews Steffen Schebesta, Chairman of the Advisory Board at Brevo (formerly Sendinblue). They explore Steffen's inspiring journey from a teenage programmer to a successful entrepreneur in the email marketing software industry.
Connect with Steffen on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schebesta/Use code "GuruMedia" for a 50% discount on Brevo's Starter and Business Plan for the first three months. https://www.brevo.com/partners/guru/Best Moments:
(01:52) Steffen's current roles and ventures
(03:27) The origin story of Steffen's entrepreneurial journey
(05:24) Challenges faced during the early years of the business
(07:57) Advice for aspiring SaaS entrepreneurs
(12:53) The importance of starting small and focusing on a niche market
(16:26) The impact of AI on SaaS companies and coding
(20:28) Encouragement for others to take the first step in becoming founders
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Guest Bio:
Steffen Schebesta is the Chairman of the Advisory Board at Brevo, a global leader in email marketing and CRM tools. Starting his entrepreneurial journey as a teenage programmer, he co-founded Newsletter2Go, an email marketing software company acquired by Sendinblue (now Brevo) in 2019. Steffenâs extensive experience spans software development, business growth, and startup mentorship, where he advises young entrepreneurs and supports venture capital firms.
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In this episode of DoâŻThis,âŻNotâŻThat, host JayâŻSchwedelson breaks down why the phrase âsteal thisâ is dominating marketing across email, social, and content strategy. He shares new data on how using it can dramatically lift engagementâand how to apply it without sounding gimmicky.
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Best Moments:
(02:08) We want free stuff and we want BTS as the cool kids say
(03:17) Titles starting with âstealâ have a 35% higher average engagement rate
(03:47) Subject lines with âstealâ lift open rates 24% (consumer) and 28% (B2B)
(04:13) Call-to-action buttons should say âsteal this strategyâ instead of âlearn moreâ
(04:33) âSteal thisâ content sees 40% more engagement in B2B, 80% in consumer
(05:03) âSteal thisâ taps into permission and generosityâtwo powerful psychological levers
(06:44) Repackage your best-performing content with âsteal thisâ to make it hit again
(09:42) Not sure who needs to hear thisâŚbut donât post that
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In this episode of DoâŻThis,âŻNotâŻThat, host JayâŻSchwedelson talks with Chris Carver, CEO of Sessionboard, about why faceless marketing is fading fastâand how brands can win by putting real people front and center. They dig into E-E-A-T, brand trust, and the rise of subject matter experts in B2B.
Email Chris at [email protected] Check out Sessionboard at https://www.sessionboard.com/Connect with Chris on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisicarver/Best Moments:
(01:35) Chris explains his background and how Sessionboard was created
(03:13) The Google E-E-A-T algorithm and why it matters to marketers
(04:03) How speakers provide expertise, experience, authority, and trust that AI lacks
(06:21) Jay's "hot take" on every brand needing human brand ambassadors within 24 months
(07:08) Statistics showing the effectiveness of influencer marketing in B2B
(08:48) The shift from transactional speaking engagements to ongoing brand partnerships
(10:20) Why smaller companies need to invest in brand ambassadors too
(11:41) Overview of Sessionboard's platform and capabilities
(13:31) Jay's endorsement of Sessionboard for event management
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In this episode of DoâŻThis,âŻNotâŻThat, host JayâŻSchwedelson joins Danielle Gallant and Guy Hanson for a special Spamageddon crossover with the Email After Hours podcast to share fast, tactical fixes for email deliverability challenges and escaping the spam folder.
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Best Moments:
(01:05) The hosts play a fun 10-second game before diving into the main topic
(03:00) Discussion begins on getting emails back into the inbox instead of spam/junk folders
(03:20) Guy explains that fixing deliverability isn't easy but there are strategies that work
(03:41) Focus on data quality at both beginning and end of subscriber journey
(04:27) Rule of thumb: subscribers who haven't engaged within a year become risky
(05:26) Debunking the myth about only sending to engaged users to rebuild reputation
(06:30) Open rates still provide value despite Apple MPP challenges
(06:50) Importance of collecting customer feedback to improve email performance
(07:15) Discussion of "hidden metrics" mailbox providers track that senders can't see
(08:38) B2B marketers should separate cold email programs from promotional emails
(09:44) Reference to a subreddit about cold emails that provides examples of what not to do
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In this episode of DoâŻThis,âŻNotâŻThat, host JayâŻSchwedelson answers a listenerâs question about declining email metricsâand shares real performance trends and what tactics are actually working right now. He also dives into a rapid-fire batch of dating dilemmas with his usual off-the-cuff honesty.
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Best Moments:
(01:21) They have a... fluff festival, a marshmallow fluff festival. It's called, What The Fluff?
(04:05) Vanity metrics are not going to ring the bell. You're not going to drive revenue with vanity metrics during these uncertain times.
(05:20) Non engaged contacts... about a 15% decline in open rates and about a 20% decline... in click through rates.
(06:03) If you only market... to your engaged database... we're actually seeing a rise... of about 15% overall.
(08:08) Weekend email performance... Sunday do really, really well.
(08:40) Click through rates are up... consumer emails... about 20%... B2B emails on weekends are up about 35%.
(09:30) Flash sales are doing incredibly well in the last ninety days.
(10:00) Webinar show up rates have gone up really high for Fridays... increased about 25% year over year.
(10:56) This is not the time to try to wake the dead in your database.
(12:08) Jay, what do you do when someone is perfect on paper, but boring in real life?
(13:03) If your friend really likes the person... they're not really asking your opinion.
(14:07) If you don't like the person, get out of it. Life's too short.
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In this episode of DoâŻThis,âŻNotâŻThat, JayâŻSchwedelson breaks down what's trending this weekâfrom Instagramâs push for carousel posts to summer-themed subject lines that boost open rates. He also covers LinkedIn layoffs, Dick's Sporting Goods buying Foot Locker, and some personal takes on movies and Blake Lively.
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Best Moments:
(00:34) So basically you should only be posting carousels
(01:34) Carousel posts... are increasing average engagement rates... to about 30% higher
(02:05) Summer oriented subject lines... have a 22% higher average email open rate
(03:15) Your summer starts with this email or hot summer, hotter discounts
(03:40) This tool doesn't take summer Fridays
(04:19) LinkedIn is facing job cuts
(05:12) Do you not then use LinkedIn to find your next job?
(05:48) Dick's Sporting Goods bought Foot Locker for $2,400,000,000
(06:27) They could be a total of 35% of Nike's sales
(06:58) Liberty Mutual's TV spot, the Limu Emu
(07:22) They spent... $2,700,000 on that ad this week
(07:33) Wegovy's TV spot... $8,700,000 because they're going after some more expensive markets
(08:00) Tom Cruise can like jump out of planes
(08:28) I do not like these live action versions of cartoons
(08:58) This is the sixth film in the Karate Kid whatever
(09:39) Sorry, Blake Lively
(10:00) She needs to hide. If she just hid for a few months...
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In this episode of The Bathroom Break, JayâŻSchwedelson and Daniel Murray dive into how marketers should respond during economic uncertainty. They share tactical tips on messaging, pricing, and customer communication to stay relevant and retain customers when times are unpredictable.
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Best Moments:
(01:18) What is that personality trait that you're that person that doesn't read the room and realize everybody's ready to go?
(01:37) There is no debate on the planet that for the next few months, there's uncertainty in the economy.
(02:13) One thing is transparency and it can go both ways.
(03:21) Be very aware of what's going on in your category.
(04:15) If you can't go too far on discounting, the way to do this is double down on messaging on value.
(05:08) If you haven't revised your own internal expectations in terms of sales and pipeline, you are making a huge mistake.
(06:05) Double down on your existing client base.
(07:16) You need to be transparent... on your own channels as well.
(07:52) Talk about uncertainty... Have downloadable information, webinars.
(08:32) If you're locally sourcing and locally doing things... go hard with that messaging right now.
(09:30) He does not know what's going on in his social plans, just FYI.
(10:24) Why haven't you made your skin check with so and so, doctor, and I gotta do that?
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In this episode of DoâŻThis,âŻNotâŻThat, host JayâŻSchwedelson shares simple but powerful ways to use the free version of ChatGPTâespecially by sending it on âmissionsâ most people overlook. He also dives into the rise of Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) and why flex culture is exhausting.
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Best Moments:
(00:59) You can ask ChatGPT to audit things
(02:05) Compare your homepage to your top 3 competitors
(02:38) Audit your LinkedIn profile as a personal brand coach
(03:06) Curate gifts under $50 that are clever, unique, and shipped fast
(04:07) Audit my site for AEOâwhat's missing?
(05:20) Radiologists at Mayo Clinic increased headcount by 55% because of AI
(08:10) Black coffee is not a flex
(08:50) Not taking a vacation for 6 years is not impressive
(09:38) I don't watch TVâgo play with rocks
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âAudit my homepage for conversion leaks.â
⤠Add: Youâre a CRO expert. Critique this homepage [insert URL] and list 5 quick winsâheadlines, CTAs, social proof, trust signalsâto bump conversion by 15%.
âCompare our homepage to our top 3 competitors.â
⤠Add: Here are 3 URLs of our competition. Tell me where they outperform us in copy, social proof, clarity, offer, and CTA.
âAudit my promo emails.â
⤠Add: Youâre the worldâs greatest promotional email expert for webinarsâshred my email and tell me how to improve the subject line, CTA button, preheader, image placement, the whole thing.
âAudit my LinkedIn profile like a personal brand coach.â
⤠Add: Based on my industry, tell me whatâs missing from my profile to attract leads or speaking gigs.
âFind 5 creative birthday gift ideas from Etsy or Uncommon Goods for my [friend/boss/sister] who loves [insert interest].â
⤠Add: Youâre a gift concierge. Curate gifts under $50 that are clever, unique, and ship fast. Donât give me basic stuff. Be quirky but useful.
AEO PROMPT:
âAudit my site at https://your-site.com for AEO (Answer Engine Optimization). Whatâs missing that would stop my content from showing up in ChatGPT answers? Tell me exactly what to fix or addâFAQs, schema, internal links, headings, etc.â
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In this episode of DoâŻThis,âŻNotâŻThat, host JayâŻSchwedelson sits down with CarlyâŻBaker, the powerhouse leading media partnerships at HubSpot Media Network. From scrappy collaboration tactics to making shows bingeâworthy, Carly shares how partnerships unlock growth for businesses of any sizeâand why creative souls thrive in modern marketing.
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Best Moments:
(04:02) Partnerships as an underâutilized growth hack for businesses of all sizes
(05:20) How smaller companies can effectively partner with larger organizations
(08:14) What makes a podcast âbingeableââŻâ consistent, audienceâfirst value
(09:15) Should you release podcast episodes youâre not 100âŻ% satisfied with?
(11:30) Paidâmedia strategies and when they really move the needle
(14:03) The blurring line between creators and media companies
(15:54) Prediction: online communities are the next big wave in the creator economy
(17:55) How creative professionals can find fulfillmentâand longevityâin marketing
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Guest Bio
CarlyâŻBaker develops podcast partnerships and media strategies for HubSpot Media Network, working on shows like My First Million and Marketing Against the Grain. A former professional classical oboist, she brings a unique creative lens to B2B media, championing personalityâled content and winâwin collaborations that expand reach and revenue.
CONNECT WITH CARLY!! - CarlyâŻBaker
More on Hubspot Media Network - https://creators.hubspot.com/
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In this episode of DoâŻThis,âŻNotâŻThat, host JayâŻSchwedelson takes listener questions in an âAsk Us Anythingâ format, sharing down-to-earth marketing tacticsâlike how to boost webinar attendanceâand veering off into pop culture commentary as only he can.
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Best Moments:
(01:30) Addressing declining show-up rates for events and webinars
(02:23) The power of remarketing to people who have already signed up
(03:33) Using Instagram Reel ads for remarketing (even for B2B)
(05:24) Creating incentives for live attendance with exclusive content
(07:05) "Ridiculous question" about Dr. Pimple Popper and Lifetime TV
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