Episodes
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If any of you listened to the trailer I dropped a couple weeks ago, for We Met Online: Season 2, you might recognize the voice of today’s guest, Dr Roger McFillin. Or you might recognize it from his own show, The Radically Genuine Podcast, which ranks in the top 2% of downloads worldwide Dr. McFillin is a clinical psychologist and a writer, who devoted his 20 year career to providing care for adults and adolescents struggling with depression, eating disorders, PTSD, and suicidal behavior, and has also become deeply disillusioned with the mental health system in this country, particularly its connection the pharmaceutical industry, which has led to what he believes is the rampant overprescription of ineffective — and often dangerous — psychotropic drugs. Sit back and listen as we discuss incels, loneliness, the mental health system, some pretty dark secrets about pharmaceuticals, and even a bit about my own firsthand experiences of late! "Anything, Anything (I'll Give You)" by Dramarama. 1985. Courtesy of Chameleon Records.
——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255—————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: [email protected] -
Today’s episode is with Vintologi, the founder of the eponymous "religion" and author of the Transmaxxing Manifesto. It was recorded in July of 2021 if certain references are out of date. It was certainly interesting to revisit after my recent episode with Tina, on The TRANSMaxxing Redux episode.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Misery is a Butterly" by Blonde Redhead. 2004. Courtesy of Beggars Music Group. ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: [email protected] -
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After a very brief TL;DR of this whole sordid business that's been ruining my life for the better part of a year, we dive into an interview with... another British criminologist... named Christopher Lowe (@ChrisLowe1994), who's working on his masters and focusing on incels. It's a lovely conversation that I'm sure you'll enjoy!
PS Stay tuned at the end for a little public service announcement regarding certain behaviors that are COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE and their consequences, starting now.
"Every Breath You Take" by The Police. 1983. Polydor Records. ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255 —————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: [email protected] -
Here’s the second half of my conversation with Tonic! If you haven’t listened to the first part, please go back and check it out, for more of his life story and a history of incel spaces, to lead into some deeper and darker waters about Elliott Rodger, r/IncelTear, macabre poasting, and the experience of having one's words transformed into art. Part 2 of 2.
——————————————————————— "Fuck it I love you" by Lana Del Rey. 2019. Interscope Records.
——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255—————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: [email protected] -
Today’s episode is a true return-to-form to very early days of the pod, as Tonic and I discuss the very early days of the community — long-gone places like love shy, r/incelswithouthate, r/askanincel and r/ inceltears. We also talk about the ER manifesto, the need for an affirmative incel identity, manipulative documentarians, the redemptive promise of the arts and connection, and his insights are absolutely brilliant. Part 1 of 2. "Change the World" by Eric Clapton. 1996. The Orchard Music.
——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255—————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: [email protected] -
Tina (@LlamatoTina) is a 23 year old transwoman from Germany - a former associate of Vintologi, the Swedish author of the eponymous Transmaxxing Manifesto. She is a transmaxxer qua transmaxxer, who endorses transitioning for all sorts of reasons besides gender dysphoria, including "personal gain" and escaping inceldom. But her own story is much more complex. "Our Lips Are Sealed" by The Go-Go's. 1981. Courtesy of I.R.S. Records. Check out Tina's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@llamato ——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255—————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: [email protected]
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While Katherine Dee is away on special assignment, Naama and special guest, Brooke (her IRL bessie) discuss the cultural phenomenon of Tradwives: Who are they? Do they have any influence? Are they... dangerous?
References:
RedPillWives:
https://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWives/
Thoughts on Tradthots:
https://didacticmind.com/2017/12/thoughts-on-tradthots.html
Allie Beth Stuckey:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd2B5NI6rfE&t=380s
JustPearlyThingz:
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Katherine and Naama explore the infinitely imaginative space of erotic fan fiction by discussing "Slash," the 2016 indie gem starring Michael Johnston and Hannah Marks.
References:
"Slash" (2016) IMDb: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4729990/
Archive of Our Own: https://archiveofourown.org/
FanFiction.Net: https://www.fanfiction.net/
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Naama and Katherine briefly wade in the waters of the Manosphere, by reading some iconic posts and discussing them. This one gets lively. Part 2 of 2.
References:
Sex and Character, by Otto Weininger (1906): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1692509/pdf/medlibhistj00008-0073.pdf
5 Reasons to Date a Girl with an Eating Disorder: https://web.archive.org/web/20131127074616/http://www.returnofkings.com/21313/5-reasons-to-date-a-girl-with-an-eating-disorder
Ladder Theory: https://laddertheory.com/
The Unbearable Triteness of Hating: https://heartiste.org/2010/05/27/the-unbearable-triteness-of-hating/
More Grim News for Carouselers: https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/ -
Today's episode, officially 100, brings you a timeless theme: a currycel comes to the West with hopes of living out the immigrant dream. But it doesn’t quite work out as planned, as ThirdWorldCel describes alienation, disappointment, and depression from his ubiquitous perspective. "Born to Die" by Lana Del Rey. 2011. Interscope Records. ———————————————————————
Discord: thirdworldcel#4881 ———————————————————————
——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255—————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: [email protected] -
Naama and Katherine briefly wade in the waters of the Manosphere, by reading some iconic posts and discussing them. This one gets lively. Part 1 of 2.
References:
Sex and Character, by Otto Weininger (1906): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1692509/pdf/medlibhistj00008-0073.pdf
5 Reasons to Date a Girl with an Eating Disorder: https://web.archive.org/web/20131127074616/http://www.returnofkings.com/21313/5-reasons-to-date-a-girl-with-an-eating-disorder
Ladder Theory: https://laddertheory.com/
The Unbearable Triteness of Hating: https://heartiste.org/2010/05/27/the-unbearable-triteness-of-hating/
More Grim News for Carouselers: https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/ -
Today Katherine and Naama discuss Nora Ephron's 1998 romantic comedy, "You've Got Mail" along with a host of questions about falling in love online, digital psychosis, and if it's possible to pairbond during cybersex.
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Today's episode is about what they’re all about - obsessions, rejections, frustrations, and putting one foot in front of the other in the face of it all. It features Trevor (@mrmapleleafrag), a 26-year-old incel and writer from far up North in Canada, who works in local news, and struggles with OCD. We discuss his experiences with the mental health system and dating, and a savage one-itis on a counselor that still haunts him. "LOVE." by Kendrick Lamar. 2017. Courtesy of UMG.
Read Trevor's substack on: mapleleafrag.substack.com
——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255—————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: [email protected] -
Katherine and Naama discuss the phenomenon of Spreadsheet Dating: an optimized approach to love for the #girlboss of recent history.
Read the piece in Vice: https://www.vice.com/en/article/4a3dew/optimisation-dating-hustle-culture-match-making
And take the love calculation based on the 37% rule: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/math/a30859888/calculate-love-valentines-day/
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Naama and Katherine discuss all things cam girls: the history, psychology, and cultural context from whence they came, and discover that they might be the first to do so. Subscribe to "we met online" for new episodes every Monday and listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4LKzPoXGP5ov2aVQdQT0ue?si=53ea613072bc47e1
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Katherine and Naama discuss the popular personal advertisement section known as "Missed Connections," made popular on Craigslist. Who and what are the authors of these ads really hoping to attract?
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A bonus episode that will most likely self-destruct within 24 hours about the events of this week and weaponized concern trolling.
Bartók: Dance Suite, Sz. 77 - 1. Moderato. London Philharmonic. 1965 Decca Music Group Limited. -
On the inaugural episode of "we met online," Naama and Katherine discuss 2011's seminal doc, Catfish: the film that launched the TV show, the phenomenon, and the prolific career f its star, Nev Schulman. Subscribe at: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/we-met-online/episodes/CATFISH-e21os99/a-a9k7oeo
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Here's a bonus episode with Dr Sohom Das (@dr_s_das), a London-based forensic psychiatrist, author, and YouTuber who I met on the Shaun Attwood Show, answering some of my questions about violence, criminal behavior, mental illness and where they all meet. Check out Dr. Das's YouTube channel, "A Psych for Sore Minds": https://t.co/NyhrUHxWkc
——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255—————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: [email protected] -
Today’s episode features a young man who’ll go by Paul, in his 30s, from England, who’s not quite an incel - he lost his virginity at 27 and had a brief relationship of a couple months - but otherwise, he basically is. He thinks that his relationship with his mother might have had something to do with it, a theme that seems to run quietly throughout the incelosphere. "Momma Said" by the Shirelles. 1961. Courtesy of UMG. ——————————————————————— Please check out my Patreon channel for bonus content, newsletters, community, and early, ad-free episodes on www.patreon.com/naamakates ——————————————————————— INCEL is created and produced by Naama Kates for Crawlspace Media. Music by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————— If you or someone you know is struggling emotionally, or having a hard time, please call someone, or contact one of the excellent resources provided below. —————————————————————— Suicide Prevention Lifeline w: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ t: 1.800.273.8255—————————————————————— Samaritans Website: https://www.samaritans.org and telephone (UK): 116.123 —————————————————————— Please contact Naama at INCEL with any comments, inquiries, or just random thoughts: e: [email protected]
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