Episodes
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What does it mean to change direction after making a decision? Journey with Leesa as she shares why the format of the podcast is changing and what you can expect in future episodes.
PLEASE NOTE: Leesa is not seeking solutions or fixes on what to do differently. She's gone through weeks and weeks of conversations with her podcast production team, Director of Ops, inner circle, and, of course, her reflective writing process, to arrive at this decision. She's stating her experience. She doesn't need to engage in a discourse or a discussion about this. It's just an opinion." She's made a decision on what works best for her, her brand, and her ancestorship.
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In this Best Of episode, Leesa Renée Hall shares her favorite moments from Episodes 1-12 in non-chronological order. In Episodes 1-12, Leesa and her guests had deep conversations around topics like anger, land acknowledgments, raising anti oppressive children, the power of naming, coalition building, queasy stomachs that happen when you're exploring biases, grief, contempt, mental wellness, emotional tax, and honouring one's boundaries.
Here are the episodes mentioned in the order they appeared in this episode:
Episode 4 with Karlyn PercilEpisode 1 with Leesa Renée HallEpisode 5 with Andrea J. LeeEpisode 8 with Miriam Hall, Rachael Neu, Anakha Coman, and Oni Marchbanks (in the order they spoke) Episode 2 with Tiffany M. JewellEpisode 6 with Asha FrostEpisode 9 with Paul ZelizerEpisode 3 with Leesa Renée HallEpisode 7 with Kelly DielsEpisode 10 with Leesa Renée HallEpisode 11 with James-Olivia Chu HillmanEpisode 12 with Layla F. SaadClick on each episode for show notes, episode resources, and lightly edited transcripts
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Ever wonder why most anti-racism educators and anti-bias facilitators seem to disappear?
Layla F. Saad is a New York Times bestselling author of the ground-breaking book me and white supremacy (2020), the host of good ancestor podcast, and the founder of good ancestor academy. As a widely read writer, a globally sought speaker, and a popular podcast host, Layla is passionate about creating Inspiration, Education & Activation for personal and collective change in the world. Layla’s work is driven by a powerful desire to become a good ancestor; to live and work in ways that leave a legacy of healing and liberation, especially for Black girls and Black women.
Layla is unapologetically confronting the oppressive systems of white supremacy and patriarchy, while offering important teachings and tools for transforming consciousness, cultivating personal anti-racism practice and taking responsibility for our individual and collective healing.
Here's what you'll learn:
The 2 authors Layla claims as her ideological ancestors and how their example helps Layla become a good ancestorHow Layla honours her faith while staying open to exploring other religious and spiritual practicesThe powerful way white people can do ancestral work without wallowing in pity, pain, or angerThe key difference between honouring your mentor vs deifying them (and how one informs whether you’re doing the inner work or not)Why knowing your internal boundaries are more important than verbally expressing them (and how this sets you up to be a good ancestor)How to honour your boundaries even in situations that call for you to be flexibleClick here for show notes, episode resources, and lightly edited transcripts
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Why does the pupil have contempt for their anti-racism or anti-bias educator? James-Olivia explores that questions as she shares why some students who desire to be anti-racist, anti-bias, and anti-oppressive end up with deep resentment towards their educator. James-Olivia offers some tips on how to stay in right relationship and what is really going on when contempt builds.
James-Olivia Chu Hillman facilitates and mediates uncomfortable, necessary, life-changing conversations with those who want more joy and connection and less suffering in their most important relationships—with themselves, their loved ones, their organizations, and the world.
James-Olivia comes to the work of relational life & leadership coaching and facilitation with the lived experience of moving through life in the United States as a multi-racial and sometimes white-presenting “other” with multiple, intersecting privileged and marginalized identities. They bring relentless compassion, an unusual perspective, and an eclectic variety of tools to the conversation of expanding our lives and leadership beyond personal growth and into relational development. James-Olivia believes that our freedoms are bound to one another.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
How being of Chinese and German Jewish descent has shaped James-Olivia’s work in this worldThe influence of music and how it kept James-Olivia connected to community in a way religious services at her church could notThe parable of choirs and why it’s an apt metaphor as to why we need to take breaks while doing the inner workWhat the United States’ political process lacks and how this missing trait influences American cultureHow the way someone reacts is not a violation of your boundaries (James-Olivia provides a beautiful reframe on an example Leesa shared)The concept of contempt and why this shows up in relationships that were once positive, nurturing, and supportiveThe strange labels some put on Black, Indigenous, and Women of Color (BIWOC) who are anti-racism, anti-bias, and anti-oppressive educatorsWhy expecting validation, gold stars, or high fives for doing the inner work is the wrong expectation (and what this assumption truly reveals)What you can give birth to and leave for future generations if you are voluntarily or involuntarily childfree (and why having no biological children is not an excuse to become a better ancestor)This episode’s sponsored message features Sarah Turino, a wellness advocate, who has been a patron in the Inner Field Trip community on Patreon since 2018.Click here for show notes, episode resources, and lightly edited transcripts
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Is seeing a therapist the only way to protect your mental wellness? In this episode, anti-bias facilitator and mental wellness advocate, Leesa Renée Hall, shares the 5 tools she relies on to protect her mental wellness so she can stand on the side of justice. Although talk therapy is a powerful way to get well mentally and emotionally, there are other tools you can use that can either replace or complement talk therapy.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
The difference between overgiving and generosity and how knowing this can help you create stronger boundariesThe single fear stream-of-consciousness writing helped reveal to Leesa that finally helped her abandon the disease to pleaseWhy talk therapy, or meeting with a therapist, isn’t the only way to protect and preserve your mental wellness (Leesa shares her 5 mental wellness tools)Why journaling is more than keeping a diary (Leesa provides resources of evidence-based research on stream-of-consciousness writing)How Leesa learned to say no with ease without feeling guilty or overthinking (this is tool #2)Why meeting your ancestors, both the oppressed and the oppressors, is a key tool in being well emotionally and mentally (this is tool #3)How a Japanese cultural practice helps Leesa connect to the lands that are not indigenous to her bloodline (this is tool #4)The power of music and how listening to it or playing an instrument is a form of self-care (this is tool #5)This episode’s sponsored message features bestselling author, Rebekah Borucki, who is a patron in the Inner Field Trip community on Patreon.Click here for show notes and lightly edited episode transcripts
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Can you get free by yourself? That’s the question Paul Zelizer answers in this episode. He talks about why coalitions matter and how important they are when creating a liberatory framework. As a person with skin colour and gender privilege, yet a descendant of a historically oppressed group, Paul navigates this nuance within social justice communities both in his city and online.
Paul Zelizer is one of the first business and marketing coaches to focus on the needs of conscious entrepreneurs and social impact businesses. He runs a global coaching practice supporting conscious entrepreneurs and growing their businesses to the next level while staying true to their deepest integrity. He also works with leaders to help them increase the transformational impact that they have in their organizations and in the world.
Paul is the former Director of Social Media for Wisdom 2.0, the premier mindfulness brands in the world. In 2017. He founded Awarepreneurs because he saw the need for more honest conversations about combining the power of conscious business practices with the dynamics of social impact movements. In addition to conscious entrepreneurship, Paul is passionate about just about anything you can do in the Mountain High Country. He’s also passionate about power yoga, dark chocolate, sustainable living, and he’s a static about poetry, as well as deep centering breaths. He lives in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
The clues Paul’s Eastern European ancestors taught him to look for to spot fascism and the emergence of authoritarian personalitiesHow Paul balances his skin colour and gender privilege with identifying with a group that’s frequently oppressedWhy conflict is a natural part of coalition building and the best way to handle it when it shows upWhat generating imperfect show notes taught Paul about being inclusive and how not getting it right is one way to reject the culture of white supremacyHow a co-founder divorce with an earlier iteration of Awarepreneurs prepared Paul to become a better ancestorThis episode’s sponsored message features Chezza Zoeller who is a patron in the Inner Field Trip community on Patreon.Click here for show notes and lightly edited episode transcripts
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How can you navigate the swirls of physical and emotional issues while exploring unconscious biases? In this episode, Oni Marchbanks, Anakha Coman, Miriam Hall, Rachael Neu, all Inner Field Trip Mentor Coaches, talk about their ancestors, the re-emergence of the Black Lives Matter movement, the culture of white supremacy, the power of hope, and what doing the work really means.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
The process each of the four mentor coaches followed to move from patron to Leesa’s innercircleThe ideological and familial ancestors each shared and how they’ve come to terms with the ancestors who have caused harmWhat contemplative practices reveal about one’s unconscious biases – and how to navigate the discomfort of what follows (Miriam gives this tip)The event that caused Oni to seek help in managing racial trauma (and the advice she has for Black, Indigenous, and People of Colour who are trying to appear strong)Why it’s so hard for white people to release their submission to the culture of white supremacy (Anakha shares where it lives in the body)What stream-of-consciousness writing typically reveals and why you need to find the courage to move beyond that (Rachael shares her unique experience)Why there are six seasons – and not four – when doing the inner work of unpacking unconscious biases (Oni shares this tip)Click here for show notes and lightly edited episode transcripts
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Who holds power when things are named? In this episode, Kelly talks about how the language of injustice shapes how we craft and bring together words. As a mother of 5 children, all who are of African and Dutch descent, Kelly shares how having a liberatory mindset helps her navigate this unfamiliar terrain as a mother with skin colour privilege. She also explains why we need to invent a language of justice so we shift our culture towards justice.
Kelly Diels as a feminist educator, writer and coach. She specializes in feminist marketing for culture makers. She’s here to raise awareness about how the business as usual formulas we learn everywhere, actually reproduce oppression, she develops and teaches alternate feminist marketing tools to help us do it differently. And better. You can find out more about Kelly by going to www.KellyDiels.com.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
How the absence of knowing her matrilineal line prompted Kelly to create the work she does todayWhat guides Kelly so she creates a safe space at home for her mixed race children without causing racial harmWhat white fragility really is and the questions white people can use to interrogate their relationship to a system that demeans, oppresses, and abusesHow intersectional identities create nuance, complexity, and layers (and how Kelly navigates her dominant and marginalized identities)The one academic whose framework guides Kelly in all that she does and how others, no matter their leadership potential, can use this method in their communities, corporations, and homesThe injustice that Kelly named and how doing so has helped she and her clients understand the power of naming thingsHow to protect the words that you coin without hiring a lawyer and going through an expensive trademark processWhy fonts are a feminist issue and how they tie into a liberatory framework of naming thingsClick here for show notes and lightly edited episode transcripts
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Can those with settler privilege use Indigenous medicine tools to heal without appropriating Indigenous culture? In this episode, Asha Frost, Indigenous Medicine Woman and Spiritual Mentor, talks about cultural appreciation, colonial violence, giving homage to ancestors, and the connection between land, mind, and body. Asha shares how a life changing diagnosis prompted her to rediscover her Indigenous roots and find healing through Indigenous ways.
Asha Frost is an Ojibwe, medicine, healer, mentor, space holder and sear her life’s work is to help you connect to the medicine that has always been within you. Asha believes that if you are drawn to Indigenous medicine ways that you have power and beauty in your own lineage waiting to be discovered. You can find out more about Asha by going to ashafrost.com.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
The big emotion that often stops settlers from healing colonial violence (Asha shares how to move beyond that)How a diagnosis at 17-years old prompted Asha to seek out Indigenous medicine waysWhy mindset training is not enough and what we must also include to truly move beyond limiting beliefsHow Asha protects her energy while holding space for those who are unpacking generations of ancestral memories (this is an important boundary setting tip, especially for Black, Indigenous, and People of Colour)The one thing we need to connect to so we begin reclaim our humanityClick here for show notes and lightly edited episode transcript
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What does it mean to be activated by anger? How can one use anger as a motivator to create change without becoming abusive? Andrea J. Lee talks about the connection between anger and abuse, and how we can use questions to guide us to activism. Andrea also shares the influence of her upbringing as a second generation Canadians of Taiwanese descent, as well as her family’s background. If you’re struggling with anger and how to use it to activate social change, this interview is a must listen.
Andrea J. Lee is a futurist with her finger on the pulse of the human spirit and how it can change the world. She’s the founder of Thought Partners International, a service business delivering customized high touch coaching, training and consulting. Most often, she works with executives, small business owners and other leaders, helping them break new ground and make great money in aligned ways.
Throughout her life, Andrea has done one thing – help the people she cares about achieve what they think is impossible, not once, but twice. She helped reinvent the coaching profession and knows one thing for sure – humanity is essentially good and astonishingly powerful. Andrea is a trusted source of coaching innovation, a force for change in the field of emotional abuse. And her business was named an Extraordinary Bull Market Company by Seth Godin, and Fast Company magazine and her writing about societal violence and emotional abuse has appeared in The Washington Post. A short selfie video recently gathered over 2 million views on upworthy.com. You can find out more about Andrea by going to www.AndreaJLee.com.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
The emotion Andrea names in regards to the loss of land, autonomy, and languageThe tough decisions Andrea’s parents made as newly arrived immigrants to the West coast of CanadaHow Japan’s occupation of Taiwan impacted Andrea’s parents’ finances, emotions, and business aspirations – and the toxic emotions that were passed onHow being raised as a Canadian of immigrant parents prepared Andrea to have patience with difficult conversationsWhy we should STOP being surprised that abusive and toxic behaviour can exist in soft spoken and kind peopleWhere Andrea believes really good questions come from and why we shouldn’t be afraid to access that placeThe easy way to strengthen your questioning muscle so you rely on that instead of reactingClick here for show notes and lightly edited transcript.
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What is an emotional tax and how does it affect Black, Indigenous, and People of Colour (BIPOC)? In this episode, Karlyn Percil shares the concept of an emotional tax and how it creates an unsafe work environment for BIPOC. Karlyn also shares how to use emotional intelligence to stumble bravely in one’s quest to become anti-bias, anti-racist, and anti-oppressive.
Karlyn Percil is a Certified Emotional Intelligence and Neuro-Life Coach with keen focus on diversity, inclusion, and belonging. She is the Chief Executive Officer of KDPM Consulting Group INC., and the Founder of SisterTalk Group Leadership and Wellness Academy, a group dedicated to amplifying the voices of Black, Indigenous, and WoC on leveraging personal narratives as a catalyst of success.
She has served on the Board of the Black Business and Professional Association, as the Chair of The Harry Jerome Awards, and through SisterTalk Group, Karlyn mentored and supported the leadership development of young girls in North America, especially in her birth home of St. Lucia. Karlyn has also worked with UNICEF, the Toronto Police Service, and is a Guest Expert on Cityline, the longest-running daytime talk show for women.
Here’s what you’ll learn in this episode:
The word obedient and how Karlyn reclaims that word so she can operate as an empowered womanSeven times Britsh and second times French and how colonialism both shaped and harmed St. LuciaWhy Karlyn embraces her French Creole ancestry as an act of resistance despite what the European colonists tried to doHow her upbringing in St Lucia prepared her for life in Canada as a new migrant (and what she still needed to learn)How to think of emotions so you include them when creating a culture that is truly inclusive and liberatingWhy emotions are not bad and how to use them as a guide when exploring unconscious biasesClick here for show notes and lighted edited episode transcript
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After becoming aware of how harmful the system of oppression is towards marginalized groups, too many jump right into action. They attend marches, burden Black, Indigenous, and People of Colour (BIPOC) in their companies to lead and sit on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) committees, go on hiring sprees to hire more BIPOC, and overwhelm anti-racism educators with their rush to appear NOT oppressive.
The problem with rushing from awareness to action is that it creates even more harm for BIPOC – and white people, too. In this episode, Leesa Renée Hall shares more about the 3 step process that you should follow when unpacking and exploring your unconscious biases so you can reclaim your sensitivities.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
Origins of the Inner Field Trip and how it evolved from a viral blog post to the community it embodies todayWhy Leesa is NOT an anti-racism educator and the words she uses to characterize her body of workHow going on a multi-city tour helped me get clear that I wanted to go on more field trips (and the historical landmarks I wanted to visit to help patrons explore the origins of our biases)How hiking is related to exploring your rugged interior and finding your Inner OppressorWhy trying to fight, hide from, or suppress your Inner Oppressor is a bad strategy (and what to do instead)The A in A.I.M. (and the various scripts used to raise your attention to the A)The harm created when jumping over the I and moving quickly to the M in A.I.M.How doing the Inner Field Trip can help you find your unique ancestral signatureWhy donating to a racial justice charity or buying an anti-racism book is NOT paying reparations (and how to know the difference)Four other ways to explore unconscious biases in addition to participating in the Inner Field TripClick here for show notes and lighted edited episode transcript
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With the return back to school, I thought it’d be important for teachers, parents, guardians, and others who have children in their care to get tips on how to raise them in an anti-oppressive and anti-bias way. I reached out to Tiffany M. Jewell, an anti-racist and anti-bias educator, for her guidance on this topic.
Tiffany is a Black biracial writer, twin sister, first generation American, cisgender mama, anti-bias antiracist (ABAR) educator, and consultant. She is the author of the #1 New York Times and #1 Indie Best Seller, This Book Is Anti-Racist, a book for young folks [and everyone] to support waking up, taking action, and doing the work of becoming antiracist.
She has been working with children and families for over eighteen years and worked as a Montessori educator for fifteen years. She enjoys exploring social justice with young folks, especially the history of racism and resistance, economic justice, and socially and personally constructed identities. Tiffany enjoys working with educators and supporting them building strong, authentic communities in which every child can be seen and valued. She is the co-founder, alongside Britt Hawthorne, of ABARatHome/ABARAtSchool, an organization that strives to support educators and caregivers in their anti-bias anti-racist journeys. She also served as the president of the founding board of the national organization, Montessori for Social Justice- seeing it through to completing nonprofit status and creating a strong mission to support and amplify Montessorian of the Global Majority across the country.
Tiffany lives on the homeland of the Pocumtuc and the Nipmuck with her two young storytellers, husband, and a turtle she’s had since she was nine years old.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
How Tiffany navigates having light-skin privilege and identifying with a marginalized groupHow Tiffany’s white mom prepared her for the anti-racism and anti-bias work she does todayWhat other influences guided Tiffany into creating anti-bias curriculum for teachers, parents, and caregiversWhy white children are never too young to learn about racism, sexism, and other oppressive behaviourThe ways in which adultification makes classrooms unsafe for Black childrenHow the Montessori pedagogy helps children co-create an anti-racist, anti-bias curriculum, and what parents3 tips on how parents, teachers, and caregivers can get started in teaching/raising anti-oppressive, anti-racist, and anti-biased childrenClick here for the show notes and lightly edited episode transcript
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After a 13-year hiatus from podcasting, Leesa Renée Hall is back with the Inner Field Trip podcast. In this episode, Leesa shares what’s to come in Season 1. She shares what the Inner Field Trip is and who benefits the most going on one. In particular, here’s what you’ll learn:
How Leesa’s background in podcasting prepared her for the work she does todayThe reason why her work is directed to Highly Sensitive People and Deep FeelersWhy marches, protests, and sit-ins don’t work for Highly Sensitive People and what they can do insteadThe reason why anti-racism or anti-bias work cannot be undone in one meeting or workshopWhy #BlackLivesMatter doesn’t mean painting the words on a city street and what people of African descent are truly asking forWhy Leesa is NOT an anti-racism educator and why her body of work encompasses more than just critiquing skin colour privilegeWhat perspective Leesa uses to help us understand the origins of our unconscious biases (including the two educators who helped create her deep interest in this discipline)How a teacher’s denial of chattel slavery in Leesa’s Grade 10 American history class influenced her to be #SilentNoMoreWhy uncovering how her mother got a French last name on an English-speaking Caribbean island sparked Leesa’s deep interest in uncovering her lineageThe nuance of Leesa’s complex ancestry and how she resolved being the child of the oppressed and the oppressorsWhy having NO biological children is NOT an excuse not to have 7th generation thinking, as coined by the Iroquois peopleHow the tragedy of Hurricane Hazel that hit Toronto in 1954 changed a bylaw that generations today benefit from (an example of 7th generation thinking)Why the inner work of exploring unconscious biases is neither glamourous or pretty, and why you need to have the courage to get messyClick here for show notes and lighted edited episode transcripts
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