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Cyber Defense, Mental Health, and Hope
In this episode of The Outspoken Podcast, host Shana Cosgrove talks to Capt. Lindsay Dady, Cyber Operations Officer at the United States Air Force working at US Cyber Command. Lindsay shares her journey from studying mechanical engineering at Georgia Tech to becoming a cyber operations officer. She discusses the challenges of her undergraduate years, her experience in ROTC, and how she unexpectedly ended up in cyber. Lindsay provides insights into the world of cyber warfare, the importance of defensive thinking, and the realities of working in classified environments. She also opens up about her experiences with burnout, the importance of mental health, and finding balance in high-stress situations. Lindsay reflects on her proudest career moments and shares her personal mantra for navigating military bureaucracy.
The views expressed by Lindsay on this episode are hers as the author and donât reflect the official policy or position of The United States Air Force, United States Cyber Command, Department of Defense, or The United States Government.
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"My favorite part is that I don't know what I'm going to walk into that day. It can also be like the negative part, like I have no idea what I'm going to walk into today, but that every day is a surprise. [...] I donât know what Iâm going to walk into each day as part of the fun." - Lindsay Dady [39:02]âYou both need to somehow balance being assertive but not too assertive because then you're just being bossy. You want to be in touch with your emotions, but you can't be emotional. âWhy are you crying at that? You shouldn't cry at thatâ But then they'll also reverse like âwell, why aren't you crying when this happens? Like shouldn't you care?â What do you want from me? Do you want me to do everything?â - Lindsay Dady [47:57]"Where there's a will, there's a waiver." - Lindsay Dady [50:34]TIMESTAMPS
[01:34] Meet Capt. Lindsay Dady[05:24] Studying Mechanical Engineering at Georgia Tech[09:05] The Challenges of Engineering School[18:17] Lindsayâs Determination[21:37] Current Role as a Cyber Operations Officer[29:44] Career Path in Cyber Operations[34:25] Thoughts on a Potential Future Cyber Force[40:36] Proudest Career Moments[44:35] Dealing with Mental Health and Burnout[48:21] Book Recommendations[49:18] Lindsayâs Surprising Fact[50:36] Personal Mantra[51:55] Outro
Capt. Lindsay Dady on LinkedInNyla Technology Solutions
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In this episode of Shanaâs Soapbox, Shana speaks at Anne Arundel Community Collegeâs Women in STEM event. As the keynote speaker, Shana discusses the journey that took her from an interest in computer science to founding Nyla Technology Solutions. She offers advice to students: go deep technically, embrace the difficult times, and be brave. Finally, Shana answers questions from the audience.
Here now is the third part of Shanaâs keynote talk, in which she answers questions from the audience.
[01:04] What was Shanaâs First Computer[01:20] How Should Students Develop Soft Skills[03:15] The Effect of Early Career Experiences on Forming Nyla[05:46] How Healthcare Professionals can Attain and Utilize Data Science[08:49] Combating Negative Bias of Women in STEM and Positions of Power[13:11] Combining Family Life With Career Aspirations[15:33] Applying for Jobs and Knowing Your Worth
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In this episode of Shanaâs Soapbox, Shana speaks at Anne Arundel Community Collegeâs Women in STEM event. As the keynote speaker, Shana discusses the journey that took her from an interest in computer science to founding Nyla Technology Solutions. She offers advice to students: go deep technically, embrace the difficult times, and be brave. Finally, Shana answers questions from the audience.
Here now is the second part of Shanaâs keynote talk, advice for students and young professionals navigating the ever-evolving world of STEM.
[01:00] Go Deep Technically[05:45] The Obstacle is the Way[09:35] Move Forward Despite the Fear
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In this episode of Shanaâs Soapbox, Shana speaks at Anne Arundel Community Collegeâs Women in STEM event. As the keynote speaker, Shana discusses the journey that took her from an interest in computer science to founding Nyla Technology Solutions. She offers advice to students: go deep technically, embrace the difficult times, and be brave. Finally, Shana answers questions from the audience.
Here now is the first part of Shanaâs keynote talk - her journey from computer science student to CEO.
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Innovation, Energy, and Space.
In this episode of The Outspoken Podcast, host Shana Cosgrove talks to Michael Contreras, Founder and President at Ensemble Consultancy. Michael began his education in civil engineering, with a focus on structures and vibration. Through analyzing patterns, he was able to make a leap into innovation consulting, transmuting this knowledge from structural analysis to business models and marketing. Michael's journey through academiaâboasting a PhD and Masterâs from UCLA, a Master's from Rice, an MBA from Wharton, and a Fulbright scholarship that took him to Mexico Cityâwas a series of steps aimed at filling the knowledge gaps he felt he needed to address. Download Spot The Station to see the Space Station as it moves across our sky: Michael and his team made it easy for everyone to witness our progress in space exploration from their front yards!
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âA lot of the best companies are startups with a background in marketing and sales, and I realized I needed to get that.â - Michael Contreras [11:45]âSometimes when people fund an idea, they want to keep it going when it shouldnât necessarily keep going. Itâs having comfort with letting things die versus letting ego be the driving motivation.â - Shana Cosgrove [17:52]âWhen I was doing research, I was always more applied than theoretical. I always wanted to create something that had a market.â - Michael Contreras [24:20]TIMESTAMPS
[00:04] Intro[01:34] Meet Michael Contreras[03:40] Working With A Spouse[06:08] What Is Ensemble Consultancy?[08:01] How Did a PhD in Civil Engineering Turn Into Digital Consulting?[09:54] Leap to Marketing[13:03] What is Innovation Consulting?[16:00] NIST Technology Innovation Program[19:40] Government Work[21:34] Randy Pausch[23:41] Entrepreneurial Spirit[25:51] Educational Background and Evolution of Expertise[30:50] How Did This Final Digital Marketing Role Begin?[33:40] Ensemble Claim to Fame[38:50] US Fulbright Program[45:21] Any Professional Setbacks?[49:45] Advice for Young Professionals[51:26] Book Recommendations[53:37] Interesting Fact about Michael[54:55] Latino Business Action Network[55:58] Outro
Michael Contreras on LinkedInEnsemble ConsultancyEnsemble Space LabsNyla Technology Solutions
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Computer Science, Leadership, and Women in Tech.
In this episode of The Outspoken Podcast, host Shana Cosgrove talks to Lisa Chang, Chief Technology Officer at Praxis Engineering. Entering education studying chemical engineering, Lisa quickly realized that this career track looked different than the title suggested. Despite the path starting out differently than anticipated, her drive to succeed pushed her to excel and pivot into the incredible achievement of becoming CTO. In the beginning of her career, she often felt a lack of leadership and attention towards the human components within the engineering and computer sciences, which ultimately led to the most gratifying role Lisa has held yet: mentor. Despite the stereotype, Lisaâs favorite conversations are with people, even though she speaks many computer languages.
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â[Being at Corning] made me realize that I liked doing things that had immediate gratification. I liked to know what was going to happen as soon as I thought up the idea.â - Lisa Chang [17:49]âIâm glad I did it [returning to school for her Masterâs Degree] though, itâs probably the hardest thing Iâve ever done. Once youâve tasted having âfree timeâ [...] and then you go back to school full time - itâs very challenging.â - Lisa Chang [22:43]âI think âlikabilityâ plays into a womanâs career much more than men. I was not raised as a people pleaser, but despite that, even as an engineer I always felt that while at work I had to focus on âdo people like me?â because they wouldnât listen to me; if I spoke up too much it was threatening, I had a narrow amount of behavior that was acceptable as a woman.â - Shana Cosgrove [41:00]TIMESTAMPS
[00:04] Intro[01:34] Meet[01:39] Where Are You Today Professionally?[04:27] Leadership and Employee Retention[06:53] Chemical Engineering: What Does That Encompass?[09:05] Being a Minority Woman in a Male-Dominated Field[14:18] Higher Education at Cornell[15:10] Connection Between Chemical Engineering and Medical School[15:45] Asian Culture, Expectation and Achievement[16:55] Optical Networks at Corning[18:16] Going Back to School for Computer Science at Rice University[24:02] Post Graduate School and Began at Motorola in Austin, TX[27:59] The Road to Maryland[30:44] Staff Scientist at BBN[32:18] Leadership: Make or Break a Company[35:00] Favorite Part About CTO at Praxis[37:15] Personal Professional Successes[41:00] Juggling Being Assertive and Palatable as a Woman[44:40] Trying and Applying for Praxis: Second Timeâs a Charm[48:48] 2 Pieces of Advice[52:26] Book Recommendations[55:59] Surprising Fact About Lisa[57:29] Outro
Lisa Chang on LinkedInPraxis EngineeringNyla Technology Solutions
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Self Improvement, Lifestyle, and Holistic Care.
In this episode of The Outspoken Podcast, host Shana Cosgrove interviews Dr. Christina Parisi, MD, the Owner and Founder of Maryland Weight Care. Christina began her medical career in the Emergency Department in 2013. While she enjoyed the instant gratification of âfixingâ and pivoting in a moment, she recognized the need for a better approach: preventing emergencies before they happen. Taking a leap of faith, pursued further education, becoming certified by the American Board of Obesity Medicine, and started her own practice. Christina focuses on addressing health issues in one's 30s and 40s to ensure a fulfilling life in one's 70s and 80s. A ârecovering perfectionistâ whose feet hit the ground at 5:02 each morning, Christina is driven to improve the quality of life for as many people as possible.
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âMedical providers running their practices is good for medicine because it aligns the practices with the incentives. The incentives are for the patients and the doctors, not for a business administrator.â - Christina Parisi [10:00]âWhen you start to understand how the body works when it comes to weight, you realize itâs less about blaming yourself for your failure and more about biology.â - Christina Parisi [17:17]âThe âbest dietâ that you can do is the diet you can stick to, the diet that works for you.â - Christina Parisi [36:28]TIMESTAMPS
[00:04] Intro[01:34] Meet[02:00] Start of the Day, Family Dynamics and Workload[03:46] Professional Life - Today[04:51] Transition from ER to Private Practice[07:39] Continued Education in Obesity Medicine[09:13] Reaction to Transition to Private Practice[10:53] Starting Her Practice - Business Administration and Economics [15:24] Engagement and Focus of Practice[17:52] Baseline Testing for Patient Metabolic Data[20:43] Physiologic Measurements Indicating Health[24:21] Benefits of Exercise[27:02] Medical Weight Loss Drugs[31:25] Ozempic, Wegovy, Mounjaro Trends[36:14] Intermittent Fasting[38:02] Maryland Weight Care Grand Opening[39:01] Branding and Outreach, Client Retention and Referral[39:33] Bariatric Surgery and Todayâs Treatment Plans[40:46] Social Media Presence[41:36] Childhood Goals and Todayâs Achievements[43:36] Higher Education Path[45:17] Best Piece of Advice[46:35] Book Recommendations[49:19] Unexpected Fact[54:25] OutroRELEVANT LINKS
Christina Parisi on LinkedIn@mdweightcare on InstagramNyla Technology SolutionsIâd love to hear from you -- your feedback is important to me and I read all of it. If you enjoyed the podcast, I hope youâll give us 5 stars. Iâll be sure to thank you via email. If not, let me know what you think we should do differently. Donât forget to hit âsubscribeâ so youâll receive notifications about guest interviews and other topics that drop every Tuesday.
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Advocacy, Freedom, and Finding Your Voice.
In this episode of The Outspoken Podcast, host Shana Cosgrove talks to Kassie Sandacz, CEO for Voices for Vets. Kassie, a trained vocalist, was encouraged by her government teacher to visit Charlotte Hall Veterans Home to sing for vets when she was a senior in high school. Although she was focused on her math studies and didn't go at that time, years later she remembered the request and decided to give it a try. That one afternoon changed her life forever. Through the magic of music, she touches the hearts and minds of veterans in memory care facilities across the country, often reigniting a spark within them that was thought to be long extinguished. When she's not at her full-time job or doing her Peloton workouts, you can find Kassie traveling across America, singing songs of yesteryear and bringing joy to those who dedicated their lives to our freedom!
âMusic is Magic!â - Kassie Sandacz [13:30]âThe thing Iâve learned over the years is letting go.â - Kassie Sandacz [35:00]âKeep going. There are definitely going to be roadblocks, things arenât always going to go the way you want them to; itâs not the way you handle things out of a situation, itâs about how you handle things in a situation.â - Kassie Sandacz [42:50]
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[00:04] Intro[01:34] Meet[01:40] How Shana and Kassie Met[02:11] Connecting Over Lunch[06:11] Mission of Voices of Vets[08:41] Three Major Components of Voices of Vets[10:30] More Than Pictures[12:28] Connecting to Vets Through Music[14:28] Origins of Organization[18:40] What Turned Voices of Vets into a 503c Non-Profit[20:01] Veteran Homes Across USA - By the Numbers[21:40] Voices of Vets Performances[22:42] Youâre A Grand Old Flag[24:59] Growing Voices of Vets From a Pet Project to an Organization[28:37] Singing Throughout a Lifetime[31:41] Favorite Non-Patriotic Song to Perform[32:16] Practice and Preparation for Musicians[33:35] Voiceraisers[34:24] Working Full Time While Growing Voices of Vets[36:28] Proud Moment of Performances[42:47] What Would You Tell Your Younger Self?[42:30] Book Recommendations[44:55] Interesting Facts about Kassie[48:45] Outro
Kassie SandaczVoices of VetsVoices of Vets LinkedInMore Than Pictures Original SongNyla Technology Solutions
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Mindfulness, Connection, and Inner Work.
In this episode of The Outspoken Podcast, host Shana Cosgrove talks to Krista Crawford, Ph.D., MBA, SPHR, Vistage Chair. Krista is the first member in many generations to attend college, a fact she credits to her Grandma. She uses this thirst for knowledge and teaching to shape her approach at Vistage. With a background in HR, Krista views interpersonal conflict as an opportunity to identify root causes and generate creative solutions. By fostering trust, connection, and vulnerability, she breaks down barriers, both internal and external, that universally impact leaders. Krista understands that putting on your own oxygen mask first doesnât only apply on an airplane: you cannot pour from an empty cup.
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âAt the CE level, we donât have anyone else in the room that is from your same industry. You hear from people who are not in your industry have your same issues; the way you apply them is different. There is some comfort in knowing youâre not alone.â - Krista Crawford [07:32]âThe more you connect, the more you can feel comfortable and then be vulnerable. Those periods of vulnerability are where the real growth can happen. You have to stretch before you can grow.â - Krista Crawford [19:24]âIf you want to go fast go alone, if you want to go far go togetherâ - Shana Cosgrove [27:30]TIMESTAMPS
[00:04] Intro[01:34] Meet Krista Crawford[02:58] Current Role as Vistage Chair[07:07] Benefit of Investing in a Vistage Group[09:04] Before and After: Business Growth with Vistage[12:12] Kristaâs Experience with Vistage[18:19] Issue Processing[22:02] Vulnerability[24:42] Vulnerability Prompts [29:48] Making the Best Choice from Bad Choices[32:23] Personal and Wellness[33:41] Consistency in Vistage[38:18] Kristaâs Academic Pedigree[41:28] Conflict Resolution[44:00] Clarity of Expectations and Job Descriptions[47:50] Breathe[50:54] A Proud Career Moment for Krista[52:44] Book Recommendations[55:24] How Krista Became a Vistage Chair[58:00] Outro
Krista Crawford on LinkedInVistage Worldwide, Inc.Nyla Technology Solutions
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Bootstraps, Trusting the Process, and Innovation.
In this episode of The Outspoken Podcast, host Shana Cosgrove talks to Christine McDannell, entrepreneur and principal business intermediary at The Magnolia Firm. Christine was born with the unique gift to innovate, expand, and create. Starting at 23 years old, she (quite literally) rolled her sleeves up and got to work, turning her ambitions into an entrepreneurial streak that has exited 60 businesses in 20 years. Christine breaks down what the fundamentals of entrepreneurship are and what each unique business has taught her. From San Diego to Dubai, Christine has spent her life taking the leap and building her parachute as she falls!
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âMy first business was a cleaning company; it was very bootstrapped with only $300. [...] I was cleaning houses for a year and a half everyday and bartending at night to pay my bills. Then, grew it to the largest privately owned cleaning business in San Diego.â - Christine McDannell [02:50]âThereâs a debate on whether entrepreneurs are born or if you can become one. People who are willing to take high risks make perfect entrepreneurs; if youâre super conservative itâs very difficult to be a successful entrepreneur.â - Christine McDannell [12:00]âThe fortune is in the follow up. [...] People are so busy these days: myself included. â - Christine McDannell [28:11]TIMESTAMPS
[00:04] Intro[01:34] Meet Christine McDannell[02:50] Humble Beginnings - $300 and a Vacuum[05:51] Exiting Companies: Perspective Then vs. Now[08:49] Transitioning from Christmas Trees to Wellness Industry[11:31] The Iceberg: Success Is Only the Tip[13:48] Current Day Job: The Magnolia Firm[15:58] Innovate an Industry[17:34] Budgeting Daily Life While Continuously Reinvesting[23:07] Finding Companies Ready to Sell and Companies Ready to Acquire[26:26] Software Tools Used at The Magnolia Firm[30:43] Social Media Influence on Sales and Marketing[33:33] The Hustle[36:05] Recommended Reads[38:08] Find Your Tribe[40:10] Outro
Christine McDannell on LinkedInThe Magnolia FirmNyla Technology Solutions
RELEVANT LINKSIâd love to hear from you -- your feedback is important to me and I read all of it. If you enjoyed the podcast, I hope youâll give us 5 stars. Iâll be sure to thank you via email. If not, let me know what you think we should do differently. Donât forget to hit âsubscribeâ so youâll receive notifications about guest interviews and other topics that drop every Tuesday.
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National Security, Integrity, and Self-Advocacy.
In this episode of The Outspoken Podcast, host Shana Cosgrove talks to Sue Gordon, former Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence (DDNI), Deputy Director of National Geospatial Agency (NGA), and Director within Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Sue begins by sharing how losing her career as a civilian in National Security became the catalyst for her future. Next, Sue speaks to a life inside in the CIA and how the CIA values performance over pedigree. A common thread connecting her talking points is the skill of critical thinking and decision making. Sue Gordonâs professional trajectory defied logic, landing her in top government appointments and it all began with a Bachelorâs in Zoology.
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âI think there probably is a piece of wanting to figure out how to contribute when Iâm the structure ⊠I think Iâm good at advice; I think Iâm great at building.â - Sue Gordon [06:21]âThe best lesson I learned that I could have missed was early in my career ⊠My second job moved me out of technical analysis into space policy. I had to learn to âdoâ something, not âtalkâ something.â - Sue Gordon [19:05]âBy that point, my children were 13 and 9 and it became obvious that my 13 year old in particular was starting to make some terrible decisions. Iâm an âinâ or âoutâ person and I didnât know how to anymore be as good of a mom and as good of an Intelligence Officer as I wanted to be â so I chose the one that only I could be.â - Sue Gordon [48:45]TIMESTAMPS
[00:04] Intro[01:34] Meet Sue Gordon[03:10] Losing Her Career As Intelligence Officer[08:26] Appointment to Deputy Director of National Intelligence[10:51] Majoring in Zoology[17:25] Significance of Working in National Security[18:54] Important Foundational Universal Professional Skills in Early Career[23:42] Women Are Frequently Pushed Out of Technical Positions into Speaking/Management Positions[28:08] Benefits of Being Your Own Harshest Critic[31:33] Job Specific Roles: Director vs. Deputy Director of National Intelligence[39:50] Effective Perspectives to Implement Change[42:19] Agile Decision Making[48:26] Taking 8 Continuous Years Off of Work[51:33] Coming Back to the CIA in 2007[55:10] Being Comfortable Being in the Front[59:31] How To Get Better at Making Decisions[1:06:32] Decision-Making As a Group[1:07:11] Personally/Professionally Impactful Books[1:09:48] Lesser Known Fact About Sue Gordon[1:10:47] OutroRELEVANT LINKS
Sue Gordon on LinkedInNyla Technology SolutionsIâd love to hear from you -- your feedback is important to me and I read all of it. If you enjoyed the podcast, I hope youâll give us 5 stars. Iâll be sure to thank you via email. If not, let me know what you think we should do differently. Donât forget to hit âsubscribeâ so youâll receive notifications about guest interviews and other topics that drop every Tuesday.
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Your quick, to the point, podcast.
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Your quick, to the point, podcast.
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Your quick, to the point, podcast.
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Your quick, to the point, podcast.
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Your quick, to the point, podcast.
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Family, Hard Work, and Quality Time.
In this episode of The Outspoken Podcast, host Shana Cosgrove talks to her son, William Cosgrove, Founder of Cool Kids Inc.. William shares that spending time with his mother was the number one reason he wanted to be on the podcast. William runs Cool Kids Inc. with his sister, and he discusses their unique roles within the company as well as their origin story. He details everything that heâs involved with from school to sports to hikes with his family. Lastly, William tells us what being a first class citizen means to him and how his mom has worked towards the goal of giving him the best life possible.
âHistory just intrigues me. I find it fascinating, the way of life and how the modern days came to be.â - William Cosgrove [09:22]âA first class citizen is: if you see trash you pick it up; if someoneâs in danger you call someone or help them up; if someone fell you help them up; if a grandma is struggling to walk up a flight of stairs, you help her.â - William Cosgrove [15:50]â[Speaking to his mom] Youâve taught me that youâve done everything you can to give me the best life possible, a better life than you ever had. You told me that a parentâs goal is to give their kid a better life than they had.â - William Cosgrove [26:55]
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[00:04] Intro[01:34] Meet William Cosgrove[04:18] Running Cool Kids Inc. With his Sister [07:46] Going to School[13:33] Lessons William has Learned From his Mom and School[17:50] Williamâs Sports[22:59] Describing his Mom[27:50] Williamâs Takeaway[29:08] OutroRESOURCES
Outspoken Episode with Williamâs Grandfather, Arthur SchwartzOutspoken Episode with Williamâs Father, Brian CosgroveOutspoken Episode with Dana LedyardOutspoken Episode with Christie GetmanThe Stock Market Game for StudentsUniversity of Virginia (UVA)Secret Societies at UVA?Bolton HillRELEVANT LINKS
Nyla Technology SolutionsIâd love to hear from you -- your feedback is important to me and I read all of it. If you enjoyed the podcast, I hope youâll give us 5 stars. Iâll be sure to thank you via email. If not, let me know what you think we should do differently. Donât forget to hit âsubscribeâ so youâll receive notifications about guest interviews and other topics that drop every Tuesday.
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Burnout, Impostor Syndrome, and Seeking Help.
In this episode of The Outspoken Podcast, host Shana Cosgrove talks to Kathleen Fanone, psychotherapist and co-founder of the Baltimore Center for Psychotherapy. Kathleen tells Shana about building her career through a Masterâs in Social Work program at Smith College, doing further training at Walter Reed and Johns Hopkins before founding a group practice with a business partner. Shana and Kathleen talk about whatâs really behind burnout and discuss ways for thinking through impostor syndrome. Kathleen reminds us that every important relationship involves hard work, and she and Shana discuss the continuing need to destigmatize mental health care. Kathleen celebrates gentle, loving curiosity in the work of therapy. And she says that sometimesâeven in a therapy sessionâit just makes sense to drop an F-bomb.
âOne of the things that I explore first is what are all of the aspects of someoneâs life thatâs actually contributing to the burnout. While work may be at the forefront [âŠ] what are all of the things in someoneâs life that are tugging on them? - Kathleen Fanone [17:15]âIf part of what happens is your perfectionism elicits shame, which is super common [âŠ] chances are you would shift into another job, demand 110% from yourself, and find yourself right back in the same position.â - Kathleen Fanone [23:37]âWhere along the way did they get the message that theyâre not enough?âŠ.You have this really confident part that you can step into when you have your work hat on, that you project confidence and expertise [âŠ] And then when you get home youâre not always in that part.â - Kathleen Fanone [31:20]âIt is hard to take a step back and to step out and think, âThis is not the sum of all of my partsâ [âŠ] Is there something that I need to be accountable for in this, and what of this belongs to the other person?â - Kathleen Fanone [37:58]
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[00:04] Intro[01:34] Meet Kathleen Fanone[03:23] Unpacking the Labels: Psychotherapists and Psychotherapy[05:51] Helping with Trauma: Knowing When to Push on the Gas and When to Hit the Brakes[09:49] Relating to That Wish to Be Done[12:45] Everyone Can Benefit from Working with a Therapist[17:45] Identifying Whatâs Behind Burnout: What Is On Your Plate?[20:18] Is There a Magic Wand for Burnout? Internal and External Factors[22:39] When Perfectionism is the Problem[29:05] Thinking Through the âisms,â Getting Past Impostor Syndrome[36:36] Seeing What Belongs to Youâand What Does Not[42:55] Success in (and out of) Relationships and Partnerships[48:07] On Leaving the DMV for Smith College, Walter Reed, and Johns Hopkins[57:08] Destigmatizing the Ask for Help[59:10] Outro
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Kathleen Fanone at the Baltimore Center for PsychotherapyNyla Technology Solutions
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