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Death, Rebirth & the Shamanic Path of Shebala, Queen of Lions
3/5 Sacral Manifesting Generator | Right Angle Cross of the Sleeping Phoenix
In Episode 77 of Real Human Design Stories, I’m joined by the radiant force that is Shebala, Queen of Lions. Once an MIT MBA and award-winning brand marketer, Shebala now walks a very different path—as a shamanic healer, intuitive guide, and energetic powerhouse. We talk death and rebirth (literally), energetic resets, ancestral connection, and how Human Design helped her integrate it all.
Shebala is a 3/5 Sacral Manifesting Generator living out the Right Angle Cross of the Sleeping Phoenix. Her work now bridges spiritual initiation and grounded integration, helping others move through their own rebirth cycles. She blends her ancestral roots—Bayaka pygmies of the Central African Republic and the Akan people of Ghana—with Human Design, energy medicine, and intuitive channeling. If you’ve ever wondered what happens when the Phoenix actually rises—this episode is for you.
00:40 – From Santa Fe to Austin: how we met
02:50 – Shebala’s Human Design awakening (and her initial skepticism)
06:30 – Losing everything, finding something deeper
11:15 – The money channel and following her sacral
13:30 – The truth about being a Sleeping Phoenix
18:10 – Death, breathwork, and the name Shebala
22:05 – Living multiple charts and energetic resets
27:00 – Werewolf spine cracking and becoming the butterfly
32:15 – The power, presence, and intimacy in her chart
35:20 – From corporate branding to sacred medicine
42:55 – Family reactions, love, and support on the wild ride
49:25 – Channeling begins: ancestors, poems, and the roar
55:00 – Breaking out of the Human Design dogma
60:55 – What she offers now and how to work with her
Quotes from the Episode“I died. Twice. And I came back with a roar.” – Shebala“Human Design became my path to compassion.” – Shebala“I was trying to guide people with my sacral… but I needed to wait for recognition.” – Shebala“We’re not our chart—we’re who we are in this moment.” – Shebala“There’s power in the presence. That’s the real medicine.” – Shebala5.
Connect with Shebala – https://shebala.com
Follow her on Instagram – @shebalaqueenoflions
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Shebala doesn’t just talk about transformation—she lives it. If you’ve ever felt like your old life was dissolving and something deeper was calling you forward, her story will remind you that you’re not alone—and you’re not crazy. This is the work of the Phoenix. Thanks for listening, and don’t miss our next episode where we dive even deeper into what it means to truly live your design.
Peace Out ✌🏻🌼
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Episode 76: Harmony in the Undergrowth - Juliana Christine, 3/5 Splenic ProjectorIn this episode, Kathy Bochonko introduces Juliana Christine, a 3/5 Splenic Projector, who shares her transformative journey through psychology and human design. Juliana discusses her unique approach as a relationship mentor and somatic psychotherapist, integrating earth wisdom and womb devotion to help women live authentically. She recounts her initial encounters with human design and how it profoundly changed her life. The conversation touches upon family dynamics, personal challenges, and the healing power of nature. Juliana also elaborates on her programs Sanctuary and Relationship Alchemy, which aim to redefine relationships through the lens of human design and natural wisdom.
Timestamps:
00:30 Introduction to Juliana Christine
02:09 Juliana’s Human Design Journey Begins
05:26 Discovering Projector Bitterness
08:21 Impact of Human Design on Relationships
16:50 Exploring Splenic Authority
24:16 Family Dynamics Influenced by Human Design
32:15 Understanding Aura and Identity Center
33:13 ‘The Heartbreak Hotel’: Dealing with Undefined Centers
34:23 Deep Conversations on Family Dynamics
35:34 Overcoming Struggles with Transformative Insights
38:46 Nature’s Healing Power
42:25 Lessons from Nature for Relationships
48:11 Managing Relationships and Personal Growth
55:46 Changing Family Dynamics
59:12 Karma Clearing and Generational Patterns
01:03:34 Programs and Contact Information
Connect with Juliana Christine:Juliana welcomes engagement through her platforms where she continues to share insights into human design, relationships, and holistic wellness. Visit her website at JulianaChristine.com or follow her on YouTube at Juliana Christine to explore more of her work and upcoming events
.Connect with Kathy:Join the Intuitive Human Design Facebook Group: Sign up for the Karma Clearing by Design Masterclass with Jess Tilly, based on the transformative teachings of Chetan Parkyn, and engage with Kathy and the community for more insights.
Visit Kathy’s Website: Access your free chart, explore in-depth reports, learn about readings, mentorship opportunities, and find out more about your human design at KathyBochonko.comFollow Transit Talks: Deepen your understanding of human design with Transit Talks, available as a podcast and a YouTube playlist.
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Episode 75: Integrating Spirituality into Business, Raquel Welcome to Real Human Design Stories! Today, I’m thrilled to bring you an enlightening conversation with Raquel Reyna, a renowned 5/1 Splenic Projector. Raquel has masterfully integrated her deep spiritual knowledge into a thriving business, guiding thousands on their paths to self-discovery.Raquel Reyna, known for her profound influence on the Human Design community, joins us to share her transformative journey from a high-powered corporate career to a dedicated spiritual and Human Design educator. Her unique approach combines deep metaphysical insights with practical business strategies, making her teachings invaluable for anyone looking to blend spirituality with professional success.Main Discussion Points: • 01:00 - Introduction to Raquel Reyna • 03:06 - Raquel’s Spiritual Awakening • 09:53 - Discovering Human Design • 13:49 - Living as a Projector • 20:20 - Business and Human Design • 23:52 - Partnership with Davidian • 28:07 - Emotional Authority and Relationships • 34:04 - Exploring Raquel’s Chart • 39:53 - Navigating Conflict in Relationships • 40:53 - The Role of Compromise and Therapy • 41:52 - Living Environment and Decision Making • 42:34 - Business Dynamics and Sales Strategy • 45:44 - Foundations and Teaching Styles • 47:11 - Spiritual Growth and Relationship Dynamics • 49:20 - Journey into Human Design Certification • 51:47 - Exploring Human Design Concepts • 01:05:43 - The Four Radical Transformations • 01:07:44 - Balancing Excitement and Invitation • 01:11:44 - Connecting and Learning OpportunitiesExplore more about Raquel Reyna’s transformative work and educational offerings by visiting https://raquelanddavidian.comStay Connected: • Follow the podcast on your favorite platforms and leave a review. • Share this episode with someone who appreciates the fusion of spirituality and business. • Watch more episodes on YouTube at @KathyBochonko. • Join the conversation in our Facebook group, Intuitive Human Design. • Download your free personal Human Design chart and explore ways to work with me at KathyBochonko.com.Dive into this compelling episode to discover how Raquel Reyna uses her Human Design knowledge to foster both personal growth and business success, demonstrating the power of living true to one’s design.
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Welcome to a special first on Real Human Design Stories—I’m your host, Kathy Bochonko, and I’m thrilled to bring you not just one, but two remarkable guests. In episode 74, Brandy Jordan and Richard Corbett join us to share their unique story as a couple, diving into how their individual paths in Human Design have merged to create a beautiful partnership. Both Brandy and Richard have previously shared their individual journeys with us, and now they’re here together to offer a deeper insight into conscious relating through Human Design.Guest Introduction:Brandy Jordan, a 6/2 Splenic Manifester, and Richard Corbett, a 6/2 Emotional Manifesting Generator, are experts in Human Design and astrology. They have committed to exploring their relationship and personal growth to its fullest, embracing the path of individuated relating, and utilizing their deep understanding of Human Design to fuel their journey together. •⏳ 00:00 - Introduction and Guest Backgrounds •⏳ 02:03 - Deep Dive into Human Design •⏳ 03:45 - Exploring Relationship Dynamics •⏳ 07:09 - Personal Stories and Reflections •⏳ 10:33 - Challenges and Growth in Relationships •⏳ 14:19 - The Evolution of Conscious Relationships •⏳ 27:34 - The Intersection of Mechanics and Mythology •⏳ 35:54 - Building the Foundation of Relationships •⏳ 39:18 - The Role of Human Design in Relationships •⏳ 44:42 - Exploring Electromagnetic Channels •⏳ 47:55 - Practical Tips for Using Human Design in Relationships •⏳ 51:10 - The Journey of Self-Love and Compassion •⏳ 01:00:38 - Final Thoughts and Upcoming ProjectsPrevious Episodes & Resources: •🎧 Revisit Brandy’s personal journey in Episode 71: “Honoring the Body, the Heart, and the Experiment” here •🎧 Explore Richard’s insights in Episode 73: “Human Design Mechanics vs. Astrology Mythology” here •💻 Discover more about their collaborative work at Emerge by DesignStay Connected: •🌟 Follow the podcast on your favorite platforms and rate us. •📢 Share this episode with someone who will find value in exploring deep, conscious relationships. •👥 Join the conversation in our Facebook group, Intuitive Human Design. •📗 Download your free personal Human Design chart, introduction to “Your Human Design Guide to Radical Self-trust”, and explore all the ways you can work with Kathy at KathyBochonko.com.Conclusion:This in-depth discussion with Richard and Brandy provides a wealth of insights into the transformative power of relationships guided by Human Design principles. Don’t forget to revisit their individual stories in previous episodes for more personal insights. *Correction-in the video there is an image that incorrectly labels Brandy as an Emotional MG, she is a Splenic Manifestor with a defined Ego. Sorry for any confusion.
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Join Kathy Bochonko for a profound conversation with Richard Corbett, a 6/2 Emotional Manifesting Generator, for Episode 73 of Real Human Design Stories. Richard delves into the intricate layers of Human Design and astrology, sharing how these tools have facilitated his transformative journey of personal growth.
Key Timestamps and Discussions
• 00:00:30 - Introduction to Richard Corbett
• 00:03:42 - Richard’s transformative personal story
• 00:06:50 - How emotional authority revolutionized Richard’s life
• 00:11:12 - Uranus Opposition: The cosmic event that led Richard to astrology
• 00:14:40 - Lunar eclipse in Gate 6 and the support of the universe
• 00:20:18 - Evolution of our emotional landscape • 00:25:35 - The Channel of Judgment (18-58) and the impact of Gate 21
• 00:33:18 - Reflecting on life before Human Design
• 00:40:25 - Mythology of Chiron and stories of coming off the roof
• 00:50:40 - Nine centered relating and its significance
• 00:56:35 - Overview of the Awaken, Unfold, Mastery (AUM) program with Brandy Jordan
• 00:59:35 - The art of creating personal mythology • 01:01:32 - Episode wrap-up and reflectionsNotable Quotes
• Human Design shows the mechanics, while astrology reveals our mythology.
• Off the roof—if I lie, I die. Embracing truth is my path.
• Creativity is the antidote to fear, doubt, and insecurity.
Visit Richard’s Website. https://www.emergebydesign.net
Kathy's Blog about her mythical creature https://kathybochonko.com/blog/creating-a-mythical-creature
Get your Human Design chart and more at KathyBochonko.com
RealHumanDesignStories.com
Don’t miss Episode 74, featuring Richard Corbett and Brandy Jordan. This special interview unveils their journey as partners and co-creators.
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Episode Overview:In Episode 72 of Real Human Design Stories, Kathy Bochonko interviews Amanda Horvath, a videographer turned Human Design Analyst who is passionately blending her filmmaking skills with her love for Human Design. This episode delves into Amanda’s intriguing journey from video creation to Human Design and her exciting endeavor of creating a documentary about the early adopters of Human Design. Join us as Amanda shares how she helps entrepreneurs decode their charts, connect to divine guidance, and master the frequency of self from a felt experience.
Timestamps & Key Topics:
• 00:00:30 - Meeting Amanda Horvath
• 00:08:50 - Certification versus pioneering her own path
• 00:15:50 - The role of projectors in business and leveraging AI for verbal processing
• 00:23:30 - Visionary energy of individual circuitry • 00:30:00 - How interviews with early adopters have shaped Amanda’s view of Human Design
• 00:36:10 - Discussing the upcoming mutations and 2027 shifts
• 00:49:32 - Amanda’s documentary project on Human Design’s early adopters
• 00:50:28 - Exploring Amanda’s 4/1 profile and its implications
• 01:06:48 - Connecting with Amanda Horvath
Episodes Mentioned:
• Episode 69 with Barbara Ditlow
• Episode 56 with Leigh Ann Wolf
• Episode 71 with Brandy Jordan
Connect with Amanda Horvath:
• Website: frequencyofself.com
• YouTube: youtube.com/@amandahorvath
Connect with Kathy Bochonko:
• Website: kathybochonko.com
• Email: [email protected]
• Sign up for the newsletter & never miss a new episode
Additional Resources:
• Your Ultimate Human Design Guide to Radical Self-Trust – Energy Centers Edition
• Join the Intuitive Human Design Facebook Group
This episode provides invaluable insights for anyone interested in leveraging their unique design to thrive in business and life, showcasing how a Projector can navigate the business world with grace and effectiveness.
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In Episode 71 of Real Human Design Stories, I sit down with Brandy Jordan, a 6/2 Splenic Manifestor with an Ego Motor, co-founder of Emerge by Design, and an expert in Human Design, Gene Keys, astrology, psychology, and shamanic wisdom.
Brandy’s story is powerful, raw, and deeply inspiring. She shares how she reclaimed her body, her truth, and her joy through deep experimentation, embodiment, and a profound trust in herself.
One of the most important themes we explored was what it means to be a Manifestor without any Manifestor channels—a design that defies the traditional Manifestor experience. We discuss how every design is unique, and the importance of experimenting with your energy rather than letting someone else define what it means to be you.
Brandy also gives us a glimpse into her beautiful relationship with Richard Corbett, the love she knew was coming before she met him, and how their work together in Awaken, Unfold, Mastery helps others break free from conditioning.
⏳ 00:00:30 - Introduction
⏳ 00:03:45 - Brandy’s Impactful & Shocking Story
⏳ 00:11:40 - How Human Design Came Into Brandy’s Life
⏳ 00:14:41 - Following the Wisdom of Her Body
⏳ 00:25:05 - The Power of the 26-44 & a Completely Defined Will Center
⏳ 00:28:20 - Being a Manifestor with Only Projector Channels & Redefining What It Means to Be a Manifestor
⏳ 00:36:36 - The Importance of Experimentation vs. Being Told How to Operate
⏳ 00:43:10 - Her Hypocritical Third Line Phase
⏳ 00:49:24 - Finding Her Beloved: Richard Corbett.
⏳ 00:57:30 - Brandy & Richard’s Programs: Awaken, Unfold, MasteryResources & Ways to Connect
💻 Connect with Brandy Jordan & Emerge by Design – https://www.emergebydesign.net
🎥 YouTube-- https://www.youtube.com/@EmergeByDesign-HumanDesignHub
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This episode is not to be missed if you’re craving a real, raw, and deeply embodied perspective on Human Design, self-trust, and true transformation.
Let me know in the comments—what resonated most for you in Brandy’s journey? ⬇️
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In Episode 70 of Real Human Design Stories, I sit down with Naomi Fox Reina, a 2/5 Emotional Projector with a Triple Split and the Right Angle Cross of Planning.
Naomi’s story is deeply rooted in her faith and divine guidance. She shares how she felt called by God to bring Light-Filled Astrology™ into the world, later expanding her teachings to Light-Filled Human Design™. Her mission is to show people that they don’t have to choose between spirituality, esoteric wisdom, and their faith-based communities—they can hold both.
00:00:30 – Naomi’s story00:09:10 – 2019 and the “wave” of awakening00:12:39 – Learning to slow down, rest, and heal00:16:11 – Triple Split dynamics and chart similarities00:2317 – The tendency to overthink Human Design00:26:05 – How Naomi integrates Human Design with LDS faith00:36:07 – Innocence Motivation, Gate 40, and meeting her husband00:40:55 – How Human Design empowered Naomi with tools to create success00:43:25 – Out of Bounds planets and unique astrology insights00:48:17 – The “boom and bust” cycle of Projectors00:54:56 – Identity challenges with an undefined Sacral and G Center00:57:00 – Naomi’s work with Light-Filled Human Design™ and Light-Filled Astrology™Referenced in This Episode:🎧 The New Human Podcast with Richard Rudd – https://youtu.be/8v9Fc6VasKI?si=P3CULjZtJkWyb6vt✨ Connect with Naomi: LightFilled.co – https://lightfilled.coExplore More:🔹 Your Ultimate Human Design Guide to Radical Self-Trust – https://kathybochonko.com/shop/full-collection-your-ultimate-human-design-guide-to-radical-self-trust/🔹 More Real Human Design Stories: https://realhumandesignstories.com🔹 Connect with me: https://kathybochonko.com🔹 Join my Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/intuitivehumandesignDon’t forget to subscribe and share this episode with your Human Design-loving friends. 🌟
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Join me as I sit down with Barbara Ditlow, a certified Human Design Analyst, Coach, and Teacher, who brings over 22 years of experience in the Human Design experiment. Barbara’s unique insights draw from her work with Ra Uru Hu, Eckhart Tolle, and a wealth of knowledge in astrology, energy healing, and Feng Shui.
Barbara shares the transformative power of following invitations radically and how it shaped her journey as a 2/4 Self-Projected Projector. Together, we explore the messiness of conditioning, the significance of listening to your body, and the art of authentic self-expression in both fashion and home environments.
💡 In This Episode:
• 00:00:30 – Meet Barbara Ditlow
• 00:06:45 – Working with Ra and Eckhart Tolle
• 00:16:10 – The Messiness of Conditioning
• 00:21:30 – More on Eckhart Tolle and the significance of being born in 1948
• 00:27:10 – Purpose and listening to our bodies and knowing when to say no
• 00:42:42 – Sleep Rituals: Struggling to embrace what we know is important
• 00:47:58 – Authentic self-expression in fashion and homes
• 00:56:24 – Final Five: A new series of five questions
💬 Key Takeaways:
• Radical Invitations: Barbara’s philosophy on embracing invitations with full trust and alignment.
• Conditioning Is Messy: Why undoing societal and personal conditioning is vital to living authentically.
• Authentic Expression: How honoring your design shapes your outward style, home, and environment.
• Rest as a Struggle: Both Barbara and I discuss the ongoing challenge of prioritizing healthy sleep habits.
• Insights on 2027:Don’t miss Barbara’s upcoming talk, part of a collaborative container created by Jess Tilly and me, about the coming global shift in 2027.
🗓 Barbara’s Talk on 2027 – January 26, 2025, at 2 PM EST
Barbara will be sharing her insights about the global changes on the horizon for 2027 in a special Zoom session with Jess Tilly and me
Join the conversation live January 26, 2027 2pm est herehttps://zoom.us/j/91566616547?pwd=9EcaPitSpKAeP5bwcgqJWo8lX1KoMW.1
Meeting ID: 915 6661 6547
Passcode: 2027
✨ Explore More:
• Shine Your Light: A Free 5-Day Style Confidence Challenge https://kathybochonko.com/5-day-shine-your-light-challenge/
• Your Ultimate Human Design Guide to Radical Self-Trust https://kathybochonko.com/shop/full-collection-your-ultimate-human-design-guide-to-radical-self-trust/
• Visit RealHumanDesignStories.com for all podcast episodes and more resources.
Stay Connected:
• Visit KathyBochonko.com for my blog and resources.
• Join my Facebook group, Intuitive Human Design.
Don’t forget to subscribe and share this episode with yourHuman Design-loving friends. 🌟
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In this solo episode, Kathy Bochonko reflects on her transformative journey in 2024, exploring how her Word of the Year, “Trust,” evolved into “Radical Self-Trust.” Through three personal stories, Kathy shares how she leaned into self-trust to make bold moves in her business and life. She also looks ahead to 2025, revealing her new Word of the Year, “Simplify,” and introducing an exciting free challenge, Shine Your Light: A 5-Day Style Challenge.
Whether you’re ready to embrace self-trust or seek inspiration for your own growth, this episode will leave youfeeling empowered and aligned.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
• How choosing the word “trust” for 2024 sparked a journey of radical self-trust.
• The role self-trust played in launching the Real Human Design Stories Podcast.
• Highlights from Kathy’s transformative experience at the Human Design Conference.
• Why combining her love of fashion with Human Design became a defining moment in her business.
• Insights into Kathy’s Word of the Year for 2025: Simplify—and what it means for moving forward with clarity.
• An invitation to join Kathy’s free Shine Your Light: A 5-Day Style Challenge, starting January 21, 2025.
Chapter Breakdown:
00:00:31 - Choosing the word “trust” for the past year and its evolution to “radical self-trust.”
00:02:05 - Radical Self-Trust Example #1: Launching this podcast and hiring Number Three Productions for production support.
00:05:53 - Radical Self-Trust Example #2: Experience at the Human Design Conference.
00:15:01 - Radical Self-Trust Example #3: Bringing my love of fashion back into my business.
00:19:00 - Shine Your Light: A Free Five-Day Style Confidence Challenge starting January 21, 2025.
00:22:35 - Discussion on choosing my 2025 Word of the Year: Simplify.
00:24:30 - Your Ultimate Human Design Guide to Radical Self-Trust.
00:28:35 - Closing thoughts and gratitude.
00:30:03 - Chatty Kathy’s in the Groove.
Resources & Links Mentioned:
• Shine Your Light: A Free 5-Day Style Confidence Challenge
https://kathybochonko.com/5-day-shine-your-light-challenge/
• Your Ultimate Human Design Guide to Radical Self-Trust
https://kathybochonko.com/shop/full-collection-your-ultimate-human-design-guide-to-radical-self-trust/
• Blog Post: Shine Bright in 2025 - A Step-by-Step Guide to Finding Your 2025 Word of the Year
https://kathybochonko.com/blog/shine-bright-in-2025-a-step-by-step-guide-to-finding-your-2025-word-of-the-year/
Stay Connected:
For more information on the podcast and additional resources, visit RealHumanDesignStories.com.
Explore more blog posts and updates at KathyBochonko.com.
Sign up for Kathy’s Intuitive Human Design Facebook Group for community insights and conversation.
Ready to embrace radical self-trust? Share your favoritemoments from this episode and tag @KathyBochonko on social media. Don’t forget to like, follow, and subscribe for updates and new episodes!
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In this episode, I talk with the effervescent Jess Tilly, a 4/6 Sacral Generator and Right Angle Cross of the Four Ways. Jess shares her inspiring journey of self-discovery and transformation, guided by her sacral response and human design. We explore her experiences of finding alignment, the synchronicities that led her to Ibiza, and her powerful work with alchemizing dreams and navigating life’s pivots.
Discover how Jess uses human design to embrace her path, trust the process, and honor the magic of living authentically. She also introduces her Human Design New Year Workbook, a practical tool to close out cycles and set intentions for the year ahead.
Topics Covered:
00:01:59 Jess Tilly introduces Her Story
00:09:13 Jess explores her Sacral Response
00:15:36 The Missing Piece in Alchemizing Your Dreams
00:19:07 Ibiza Magic and synchronicities leading up to it
00:27:51 Richard Beaumont
00:36:03 Human Design and Radical Self-Trust
00:37:27 Pivot to the Right Angle Cross of the Four Ways
00:43:58 Jess’s New Year Workbook
00:48:22 Quantum Human Design: The Gate of Imagination
00:52:34 The Transits: How They Affect Us
00:56:44 Closing thoughts with Jess at Corecalling.com
Key Themes:
• It gets to happen.
• Shooting your arrow into the unknown.
• Closing out the cycle.
• Trusting the magic within.
Resources:
• Connect with Jess Tilly: corecalling.com
• Download Jess’s Human Design New Year Workbook: corecalling.com/hdnewyear
• Sign up for Kathy’s Shine Your Light: A 5-Day Style Challenge and stay in the loop about upcomingprograms: KathyBochonko.com
Visit realhumandesignstories.com for more episodes and insights.
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Erin Payne is a 1/3 Emotional Manifesting Generator with theRight Angle Cross of the Sleeping Phoenix. Her story is one of courage, transformation, and reclaiming her authenticity. After leaving the Mormon Church, Erin embarked on a journey of self-discovery, healing, and alignment that reshaped her life.
In this episode, Erin shares how she stepped away from alife of conformity, rebuilt her relationships, and found freedom in her personal expression. She recounts her introduction to Human Design and the profound impact it had on her family, marriage, and sense of self.
We dive into:
• Leaving the Mormon Church and rediscovering her voice
• Her first Human Design reading and how it changed herperspective
• Transforming her marriage by embracing her and herhusband’s unique designs
• How we worked together to align her personal style withher true essence, deconditioning her outward expression and allowing her to shine
• The ripple effect of her transformation on her husband andtheir six children
This conversation is a powerful testament to the life-changing possibilities of embracing your truth and letting your light shine.
Chapter Titles
00:00:30 Meet Erin Payne
00:02:45 Erin Shares Her Story of Leaving the Mormon Church
00:14:57 Human Design Enters Erin’s Life
0:25:20 Integrating Human Design
00:29:50 Erin’s New Marriage Paradigm
00:35:19 How Erin’s Experiment Changed Her Relationship With Her Projector Husband
00:36:42 Sam and Erin Started Tapping Through Difficultiesand Reentered Their Relationship Correctly by Type
00:47:06 Outer Visions, Aesthetics, and Deconditioning YourOutward Expression
00:49:35 Erin Talks About Shedding Her Mormon Garments and Embracing Her Sense of Style
00:55:01 Feeling Safe to Be Moody
01:00:09 How These Changes Impact Erin’s Kids
01:02:31 Thank You for Sharing Your Story
During our work together, I guided Erin in reconnecting withher personal style and deconditioning her outward expression. This transformation became an outward reflection of the deep inner work she had been doing, allowing her to align her appearance and presence with her true self.
If Erin’s story inspires you, it’s time for the world to see you shine your light. I’m launching an 8-week group program in January (currently in beta) to help align your outward expression with the inner work you’ve been doing. Email me at [email protected] to get on the waitlist and be among the first to know when enrollment opens.
Contact Erin Payne
Website: theerinmichelle.com
Contact Me
Website: kathybochonko.com
Join my Facebook group, Intuitive Human Design, for more resources and community support!
Visit realhumandesignstories.com for more info and to explore past episodes.
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In Episode 65 of Real Human Design Stories, I sit down with Karen McMullen, a 4/6 Emotional Manifesting Generator with the Right Angle Cross of the Sleeping Phoenix. Karen’s journey is nothing short of transformative. In 2014, she had what most people dream of: a thriving business, a loving relationship, good health, and a life of adventure. Yet, she felt drained and disconnected.
Discovering Human Design sparked a profound awakening for Karen, leading her on a decade-long journey of healing, self-discovery, and reclaiming her joy. Today, she helps clients gain the confidence and clarity to launch their next-level creations and make the impact they were born to make.
Karen is also an accomplished author, having written multiple channeled books, with her latest project focusing on Generators and Manifesting Generators. Her YouTube channel, where she shares Human Design insights, receives over 800 views daily, offering a steady stream of inspiration and education. Originally from Canada, Karen now lives a life filled with creativity and passion, often salsa dancing in Havana.
Timestamps:
00:00:30 Introducing Karen McMullen
00:2:06 Karen’s Story
00:09:19 Tearing Down Her Life and Going on the Roof
00:16:56 Embracing Sexual Potential
00:20:25 Channeling Her Book
00:27:42 The Projector’s Critical Need to AlchemizeBitterness
00:35:13 Dancing in Havana
00:39:11 Talking About Driving Down to Florida
00:42:56 Karen’s Experience With Channeling
00:47:36 The Frequency Transmission of Human Design
00:54:47 How to Work With Karen
Key Insights:
• Being in the Now and Trusting Perfect Timing
• Embracing the Sleeping Phoenix Energy to Rebuild Your Life
• “Until You Claim Your Gift, Your Gift is a Problem”
• How to Alchemize Bitterness as a Projector
• Are You Alive or Not?!
Connect with Karen:
Website: KarenMcMullen.ca
YouTube: Karen McMullen
Instagram: @iamkarenmcmullen
Connect with Kathy:
Website: KathyBochonko.com
Instagram: @KathyBochonko
Facebook Community: Intuitive Human Design
If Karen’s story resonates with you and you’re ready to dive deeper into your own Human Design, I’d love to support you on your journey. Whether you’re exploring your unique design or seeking mentorship, let’s connect and discover how to align with your truth.
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In this special solo episode of Real Human Design Stories,I’m diving into two essential R’s: Rest and Recognition. You might think this topic is primarily for Projectors, and while Projectors will resonate deeply, this message goes beyond any single energy type. It’s for everyone seeking to honor what their body truly needs. This episode comes at a time when I’ve felta strong inner calling to slow down, listen to my body, and resist the pressure to “perform” just for recognition.
I talk about the challenges of letting go, embracing rest, and learning to recognize ourselves beyond the validation of others. After a season of deep engagement and excitement from presenting at two recent Human Design conferences, I came home to a surprising inner request—to simply rest.
In this episode, I explore what it means to hold radical self-trust during times of rest and to trust that our worth isn’t dependent on constant action.
So, if you’ve been feeling the pressure to keep up, stay visible, or “push through” when your body is calling for a break, join me as we unpack the importance of tuning in and trusting ourselves.
Timestamps:
00:00:29 – Introduction to the Episode – Need for SomeR&R: Rest & Recognition
00:04:40 – Finding Clarity Amidst the Urge to Do More
00:05:18 – Reflections on My Recent Human Design Conference Experiences
00:10:03 – The Call to Slow Down & Melancholy as aNatural State of Reflection
00:14:48 – Embracing Radical Self-Trust during UncertainTimes
00:17:12 – Outro
Key Insights:
The importance of rest and honoring your body’s signals,even when it’s inconvenient.
Understanding that real recognition comes when we’re not seeking it—it finds us naturally.
Radical self-trust isn’t about certainty; it’s abouttrusting that we’re fully equipped to handle whatever comes our way.
Letting go of the need to “perform” or be visible all thetime in favor of being truly aligned with ourselves.
If this message resonates, and you're ready to explore your Human Design journey, I’d love to support you in learning how to honor yourunique path through radical self-trust. Visit KathyBochonko.com for more onmentorship and readings.
Join our community for deeper conversations about Human Design: facebook.com/groups/intuitivehumandesign
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In this Real Human Design Stories episode 63, I sit downwith Eden Carpenter, a 6/2 Emotional Manifesting Generator with the Left Angle Cross of Duality. Eden’s journey into Human Design began when she was a 20-year-old military wife and college student, and seven years later, she now blends Human Design, Gene Keys, and Rapid Resolution Therapy into her work. Eden’s approach brings a playful yet profound twist to shadow work and self-discovery.
We chat about the life-changing moment when Eden’s body told her to quit her nursing job- 6 weeks after getting her license! and how she navigated that decision through her Emotional Authority. Eden also shares insights into being a Triple Split, explaining how this influences her decision-making process and how she integrates various aspects of herself. She dives into the challenges of embodying her identity with an undefined G center, and how the energy of her Mercury gates shapes her self-expression.
Our conversation explores the evolving Human Designlandscape, the importance of variables in learning styles, and the relationship between neurodivergence and Human Design. Eden offers a fresh perspective on finding alignment and embracing individualism, especially in a world that often prioritizes conformity.
Timestamps:
00:00:30 – Human Design: Meet Eden Carpenter
00:08:02 – The Changing Human Design Landscape
00:11:06 – Human Design Variables and Our Learning Styles
00:17:39 – When Your Body Says Quit Your Nursing Job
00:21:05 – Eden Explains How Her Triple Split Works with Her Emotional Authority
00:26:48 – The Channel 17-62
00:31:11 – Eden Talks About Her Mercury Gates and Personal Identity
00:38:53 – Going On The Roof: The 6th Line Profile
00:49:48 – Neurodivergency, Human Design, and Individualism
00:58:09 – Showing Up As Yourself: Personal Style
01:02:00 – How to Work with Eden
Key Insights:
Listening to your body’s signals when it’s time for change
Navigating Emotional Awareness as a Triple Split
Embracing Individualism through Human Design
How neurodivergency and Human Design intersect
Finding alignment through radical self-trust
Connect with Eden:
Website: https://www.edencarpenter.com/Instagram: @iamedencarpenter
If Eden’s story resonated with you and you’re ready toexplore your own Human Design, I’d love to support you on your journey. Whether you're starting by running your free Human Design chart, seeking a reading, or mentoring, it starts with a visit to https://kathybochonko.com/, where you can find out all you need to know about working with me and the ways I can help guide you back to your unique path through radical self-trust.
Join my private community to dive deeper into conversations about Human Design: https://facebook.com/groups/intuitivehumandesign
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In this episode of Real Human Design Stories, I sit down with Vickie Dickson, a 2/4 Emotional Manifesting Generator, known as the "Business Whisperer." With 30 years of entrepreneurial experience, Vickie has built several businesses to multiple six-figure success, and today she shares how Human Design has transformed her approach to life and business.We chat about the challenges she faced embracing her emotional authority, particularly coming from a GenX background where emotions weren’t often expressed. Vickie talks candidly about how her early Human Design readings didn’t provide the insight she needed and how that experience shaped her approach to giving readings now. We dive into the nuance of Vickie’s unique design, including her defined 48/16 channel and quad-right variables, and how these have influenced her content creation and communication style.We also explore Vickie’s transition from Facebook to Instagram in 2020, as well as the deeper purpose behind her program, "Content by Design." Vickie is passionate about helping people create aligned content and embrace passive learning in a world that often emphasizes action and results.Timestamps:00:00:26 – Meet the Business Whisperer, Vickie Dickson00:04:16 – Vickie’s Experience as a GenX-er with Emotional Authority00:13:28 – The Importance of Nuance in Human Design Readings00:19:12 – Quad-Right, Trust, and Passive Learning00:30:43 – Vickie’s Path to Aligned Content Creation by Design00:36:30 – Releasing Attachment to Results and the 41-30 Channel00:39:43 – Vickie’s Unjaded Podcast and Her Love of Words00:48:02 – Understanding the Chart as a Tool with Many Layers00:53:01 – How Splits Impact Us00:57:33 – Why Vickie Left Facebook in 202001:06:50 – Vickie’s Content by Design Program01:08:39 – Conclusion
Key Insights:Human Design is the ultimate tool to reconnect with yourselfNavigating emotional authority as a GenX-erHow the world can chip away at us, and the courage it takes to step out of that conditioningAligned content creation and releasing attachment to resultsTo find out about using bodygraph chart software* in your Human Design or Astrology Business please use my affiliate link https://bodygraphchart.com/?via=kathyu *You can get 30% off your first year when you use this link and code kathy2023Connect with Vickie:Website: VickieDickson.comInstagram: @Vickie.DicksonIf Vickie’s story resonated with you and you’re ready to explore your own Human Design, I’d love to support you on your journey. Whether you're starting by running your free Human Design chart, seeking a reading, or mentoring, it begins with a visit to KathyBochonko.com where you can find out all you need to know about working with me and the ways I can help guide you back to your unique path through radical self-trust. Join my private community to dive deeper into conversations about Human Design: facebook.com/groups/intuitivehumandesignConnect with me onInstagram: @kathybochonko
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In this episode, I sit down with Veronica Leone, a 5/1 Emotional Manifesting Generator, who brings a beautiful blend of tarot, astrology, energy healing, and Human Design to her work. We dive into the twists and turns of her journey and explore how embracing uncertainty and following her sacral response has shaped her path.We chat about the fascinating dance between her undefined identity center and her Gate 15, and how that energy plays out in everyday life. Veronica shares the magic of combining Human Design with other intuitive practices and how her emotional wave guides her. We also get into the experience of balancing her manifesting and generating energy—and how slowing down has been key for her.Timestamps: • 00:00:29 – Introducing Veronica Leone • 00:02:25 – Veronica’s Human Design Story • 00:07:18 – The Concept of Truth Tears • 00:09:55 – Emotional Waves and the Sacral Response • 00:14:12 – Blending Human Design with Astrology • 00:18:04 – Navigating the Undefined G and Open Ajna • 00:30:29 – Synchronicities, Signs, and Psychics • 00:40:49 – Spiritual Sessions: Veronica’s Unique Blend of Modalities • 00:44:59 – Gate 15: Embracing Extremes • 00:48:03 – Manifesting vs. Generating: A Call to Slow Down • 00:54:46 – Gate 8: The Voice of Creativity • 01:00:14 – How to Connect with VeronicaConnect with Veronica: • Website: seedsandstars.com • Email: [email protected] the Conversation:If this episode sparked something within you and you’re ready to explore your own design more deeply, I would love to support you on that journey. Together, we can uncover the magic of your unique path and build a foundation of radical self-trust through readings and mentorship. You can find all the ways to work with me over at: KathyBochonko.com.Stay Connected: • Facebook: facebook.com/kathy.bochonko/ • Instagram: instagram.com/kathybochonko/ • Join my private community for more discussions and insights: facebook.com/groups/intuitivehumandesignI hope you enjoy this cozy chat with Veronica as much as I did!
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Join me in episode 60 with Stephen Rebolledo, 4/1 Emotional Generator, Juxtaposition Cross of Ambition. Stephen is a compassionate Human Design professional, who shares his journey of over 25 years in Human Design. Having studied directly under Ra Uru Hu, Stephen provides unique insights into living your design, the concept of "Genetic Yoga," and the deep impact Human Design has had on his life and those he works with. This conversation explores self-leadership, the value of being in someone’s aura, and how Human Design is an ongoing war of attrition that helps us evolve.**00:00:05 - Intro** Introducing Stephen Rebolledo and his Human Design story.**00:01:48 - Stephen’s Human Design Story** Stephen shares how he first encountered Human Design through a reading with Ed Stanton and how it transformed his life.**00:12:08 - Giving Value to Human Design** A reflection on the importance of valuing the knowledge and insights that Human Design provides.**00:21:13 - Genetic Yoga: A Personal Reading** Stephen explains the concept of Genetic Yoga and how it has become a cornerstone of his work with clients.**00:26:45 - The In-Aura Experience** Discussing the profound effect of being in someone’s aura and how it enhances the Human Design experience.**00:33:08 - Kathy’s Introduction to Human Design** Kathy shares her own introduction to Human Design and how it resonated with her.**00:39:50 - Human Design is a Great “Virus”** Exploring the idea of Human Design as a transformative system that spreads and evolves with each person it touches.**00:46:50 - Human Design is a War of Attrition** Stephen explains how the process of deconditioning through Human Design is ongoing and requires persistence.**00:53:35 - Generators: Releasing Energy vs. Work** A deep dive into the role of Generators in Human Design and how their energy is meant to be released, not just for labor.**00:56:07 - The Fixed Fate of the 4/1 and Its Role in Mutation** A discussion of the unique role the 4/1 profile plays in the evolutionary process.**01:03:47 - How to Work with Stephen** Stephen shares how you can connect with him for readings and group work.**01:06:02 - Conclusion** Final thoughts and reflections on the conversation.**Key Takeaways:**- Stephen recounts how he first resisted Human Design before it became a transformative force in his life.- The importance of being in someone’s aura for a more powerful experience of Human Design.- The concept of "Genetic Yoga" and how Stephen integrates it into his readings.- Human Design as an ongoing journey of deconditioning, described as a "war of attrition."- A deep exploration of the 4/1 profile’s fixed fate and its role in the broader evolutionary process.**Connect with Stephen Rebolledo:**- Website: geneticyoga.com **Connect with me:**- KathyBochonko.com - Facebook: facebook.com/kathy.bochonko/ - Instagram: instagram.com/kathybochonko/
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Join me in episode 59 as Bella Krystal, a 4/6 Sacral Generator, RX OF THE Sphinx, shares her rich journey of self-discovery through Human Design. Bella seamlessly weaves practices from tantra, shamanism, and embodiment, alongside her extensive background in entrepreneurship and business. With experience living in seven countries and speaking six languages, Bella is a true bridge between cultures and people.**00:00:05 - Intro to Bella’s Human Design Story** Introducing Bella Krystal and her journey into Human Design.**00:06:23 - Embodied Exploration** Bella discusses her approach to embodied exploration and how it has shaped her understanding of her design.**00:10:26 - Rosy Aronson Introduces Bella to the Wisdom of Her Design** Bella shares how working with Rosy Aronson deepened her Human Design journey and helped her navigate challenges.**00:18:32 - Gate 57 and Exploring the Fear of Tomorrow** Exploring Gate 57 and how it relates to Bella’s fears and insights about the future.**00:24:31 - Why San Diego Felt Different** Bella reflects on the energy of San Diego and its impact on her Sacral Definition.**00:29:12 - John Martin on Bella’s Sacral Definition** Discussing insights from John Martin on the importance of Bella’s Sacral Center.**00:37:37 - Unlocking Your Design with Ashley Nichole** The collaboration with Ashley Nichole in co-founding Unlock Your Design and the creation of the 64 Doors project.**00:41:31 - The Value of Having Multiple Readings** Bella emphasizes the importance of receiving multiple Human Design readings to deepen understanding over time.**00:49:21 - Why Aren’t More Human Design Professionals Collaborating?** A discussion on the challenges and opportunities for collaboration within the Human Design community.**00:56:33 - Connect with Bella and Conclusion** Final thoughts and how to connect with Bella Krystal.**Key Takeaways:**- Bella’s introduction to Human Design and her transformative journey through embodied practices.- The influence of Rosy Aronson and how psychological approaches helped Bella navigate fears.- The importance of collaboration in the Human Design community and Bella’s work on the 64 Doors and Unlock Your Design projects.- The value of multiple readings to fully embody and understand one’s design over time.- Insights on the challenges of building a Human Design business and staying aligned with inner authority.**Connect with Bella Krystal:**- Website: https://unlockyourdesign.com
- Explore the 64 Doors: https://the64doors.com
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/izabellayoga**Connect with me:**- https://kathybochonko.com
- Facebook: https://facebook.com/kathy.bochonko/
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/kathybochonko/
- Watch live in the Intuitive Design Facebook group: https://facebook.com/groups/intuitivehumandesign
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Join me in episode 58 as 3/5 Sacral Manifesting Generator, RAX of the Sphinx, Sean Wallbridge, shares his unique journey into Human Design. Sean has spent 3.5 years in his experiment. Sean's story embraces plant medicine, curiosity, transformation, and self-expression.00:00:05 - IntroIntroducing Sean Wallbridge and his eclectic journey into Human Design.00:02:01 - Sean’s Fun Guy-Funghi StorySean shares an entertaining and transformative experience with plant medicine.00:07:08 - Sean’s Many ReadingsDiscussing the various Human Design readings Sean has received and their impact on his journey.00:12:07 - A Design of Self-Expression and His Outward TransformationHow Sean’s design has influenced his outward transformation.00:15:16 - Readings in Different Forms and Their ImpactExploring the different forms of readings Sean has experienced and their lasting effects.00:21:12 - The Heart Center and the BodygraphDelving into the significance of the Heart Center in Sean’s Bodygraph.00:25:44 - Holding Space for Opposing Views—Embracing UncertaintyA discussion of embracing uncertainty and holding space for diverse perspectives.00:28:50 - Sean's Chaotic DeconditioningSean discusses his journey through deconditioning and the chaos that came with it.00:35:23 - Connections with Dr. Eleanor Haspel-Portner and Her Clean LanguageSean shares his connection with Dr. Eleanor Haspel-Portner and the impact of her teachings.00:41:25 - A Discussion of Profile and MoneyA deep dive into the relationship between Human Design profiles and financial decisions.00:52:59 - More About Dr. Eleanor, Science, and CertaintyExploring the intersection of science and Human Design through Dr. Eleanor’s work.00:54:52 - The Midpoint: 3.5 Years InReflecting on Sean’s experience halfway through his seven-year Human Design experiment.01:01:18 - Connecting with SeanHow to connect with Sean and learn more about his work.01:05:44 - ConclusionKey Takeaways:- Sean shares his journey of discovering Human Design after a personal crisis and how it has transformed his life.- He initially approached Human Design as a way to "fix" himself but has since embraced it as a tool for empowerment.- Sean discusses the nuances of different Human Design teachings and his preference for the scientific approach of Dr. Eleanor Haspel-Portner.- The conversation highlights the importance of slowing down, honoring sacral responses, and aligning decisions with core values.Connect with Sean:
- Website: https://brainlitter.com
- Work with Sean: https://majorchange.com
Connect with me:
- Website: https://KathyBochonko.com
- Facebook: https://facebook.com/kathy.bochonko/
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/kathybochonko/
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