Episodes
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In this episode, Brian and Jake talk about the first controversy of the season, being the situation with Fanny Alger. Joseph's relationship with Fanny was his first plural relationship and first plural marriage.
Brian talks about why it is a controversy. Was Joseph cheating on Emma? Why didn't he tell her about it? Did she have any children? Why was she kicked out of the house? We go through all of these and more in this episode! Comment below your thoughts and questions!
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A NEW season of the Saints Unscripted Podcast is here! The first episode is coming out this Sunday! This season, Brian Hales and Jake talk about the most controversial topics of Polygamy. Here is a list of the topics to come: 1. Fanny Alger 2. Plurality of Husbands (Polyandry) 3. Sexuality in Joseph Smith's Plural Relationships 4. Ages of his Young Wives 5. Emma Smith's Path 6. Polygamy Questions (Why was the church so silent about it for so long?)
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Missing episodes?
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Here is the final episode of season 1 of the Saints Unscripted Podcast! Join us for season 2!
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In this second episode with Leo, we continue talking about the gap between what we want or see as ideal, and what actually is real, what our reality is.
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In this episode, we have a mystery guest! He is a good friend of Jake's and today's topic is about doing mental gymnastics to stay faithful and a believing Christian.
The mystery guest talks about a gap between what we see as ideal, and what actually is real. Jake has struggled with this, having idealized views of what the church SHOULD be, or who God is like, or how amazing Joseph was, but in Jake's reality, there was a gap, a dissonance. So Jake tries to learn from his friend in this episode on what it looks like to close the gap, and create a life where the ideal is also the real.
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Jake's friend Mechelle joins him on the podcast to talk about her experience of navigating a faith crisis with her husband that has spanned over 10 years! She talks about her husband who had extreme doubts, and started having a faith crisis, and what that meant for her, especially when he decided to remove his name completely from the church! Ultimately, they came to a place where Mechelle loved and supported him no matter what, and they were able to start to find some healing.
Mechelle talks about her own spiritual awakening, and the deepening and understanding of her relationship with Heaven. She tells of an experience trying to connect with God and asking Them to take away her pain, and in that moment of deep pain, she just felt held. The pain wasn't taken, but she felt loved and embraced by Heavenly Parents.
We hope this episode helps you find some healing as well, wherever you might be in your faith journey!
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Steven Harper joins Jake on the SU Podcast! Have you ever had problems with Brigham Young? Joseph F. Smith? Polygamy, Priesthood and temple ban or various church policies? Have you felt betrayed, deceived or lied to? Steven answers all kinds of questions and more! Check out below the questions Jake asks him!
00:00-02:27 - Intro
02:27- 06:55 - When we find out troubling church history, why does it affect our faith?
06:55-15:25 - What does having charity for church leaders and history mean?
15:25-20:17 - Why do we hear sometimes when people leave the church, say they've been lied to and deceived?
20:17-26:25 - Why didn't the church tell me these things? Why were they hiding!?
26:25-33:53 - Why don't the "facts" compel someone to believe or refute it? What does that mean?
33:53-37:51 - Why the "fact" of the Book of Mormon's existence is inescapable for Steven.
37:51-44:17 - If I want to continue having faith, even though I'm a little disillusioned with God, how do I do that?
44:17-46:16 - We can choose to have charity every day, like Jesus chooses us every day.
46:16-46:50 - Good bye! Thank you for watching!
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Dallas Jenkins, the creator of The Chosen, the number 1 show about Jesus, comes on the SU Podcast to talk about season 2 and specifically how a relationship with Jesus can help us in those moments when we feel alone and rejected.
Jake asks him about the way Jesus would look at people. Jake was OBSESSED with a scene in season 1 when Jesus first looked at Matthew. Jake asks, "How'd you do that!?" And Jake LOVED his answer. Watch the episode to see how Dallas responded.
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Robin Johnson, the Heart Whisperer, joins Jake on the podcast to talk about trauma and more specifically, religious trauma. Jake also works with Robin with a process called Heart-Centered Therapy. Robin also helps heal trauma with many patients. Robin gets really open about her own experiences with trauma, and what led to her working with and healing trauma for others. She talks about how trauma affects our lives, how we can notice the reactions and responses in our physiology, and how we can protect our faith when we have religious trauma.
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Jake's good friend Jeff O'Driscoll joins the SU Podcast to talk about connecting with the Divine and Heaven. Jake explains his difficulty communicating with God while having a hard time praying. He asks Jeff what we can do to try to foster that relationship and connection with Heaven.
Jake was so grateful to have Jeff on after reading a few of his amazing books: "Not Yet: Near-Life Experiences and Lessons Learned," "Hyrum Smith: A life of Integrity," and one of his children books, "Jake the Snake." Jeff has miraculous experiences with the Divine, and near-death and near-life experiences throughout his life and working as an Emergency Care Physician for over 25 years.
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Danielle Calder from Our Mother in Heaven on Instagram joins Jake on the podcast to talk about Heavenly Mother!
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In this full conversation, Jake talks to Stephen about his faith feeling diminished after struggling to reconcile God's character to the Mormon Priesthood and Temple ban from 1852 to 1978. Jake asks questions such as, is it ok to say leaders of the church got things wrong? Stephen also talks about his experience playing Elijah Abel in the new feature film "Greenflake" coming out soon about an enslaved pioneer who lead the first handcart team into the Salt Lake Valley. How did those early black saints do it? We talk about that in this episode.
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Terryl Givens joins the SU Podcast with Jake to talk about his and his wife's, Fiona Givens, newest book, "All Things New!" Jake one day several months ago, found himself reading their book, and in chapter 5, Jake read that in the race of life so to speak, God isn't at the finish line waiting to see if we'll cross it, or that He'll deny or grant us the "winning cup." He is running the race with us.
After Jake read that, he knew he had to get Terryl or Fiona on the podcast.
Here is the full conversation. Jake asks what a relationship with God looks like when going through a faith crisis. What the relationship can be, and what it might look like. Will the relationship with God be different as a result? Is that a scary thing?
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In this clip from a conversation with Stephen Jones about the Mormon Temple and Priesthood Ban, Jake asks him how we can deal with it, seeing how a lot of the historical figures, Greenflake, Elijah Abel and Jane Manning James dealt with it. His answer is Jesus. He asks the question, "You don't think Christ can redeem it?"
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In this clip from the conversation with Jake and Terryl Givens, Jake asks Terryl about a quote in his and his wife, Fiona Givens' newest book, "All Things New: Rethinking Sin, Salvation and Everything In Between," from chapter 5. Jake briefly talks about how it refers to God as running the race with us in this life. And of course, Terryl gives an amazing answer.
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In this clip taken from the full interview with Stephen Jones about Race and the priesthood and temple ban, Stephen talks about his experience as an actor playing Elijah Abel. Jake asks how you can stay faithful and hopeful in a church and gospel that historically has been perceived as racist? And spoiler alert, but Jesus is always the answer!
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Brian, history's transparanciest, comes back on the podcast to talk about his research over the past several years on the Book of Mormon. In this episode, Brian talks about an 'Author Gap' where he analyzes Joseph Smith's documented oratory and compositional writing skills in 1829, and what skills an author would actually need to produce a book such as the Book of Mormon.
That's the gap.
Brian will take you through and expound upon the truth of the Book of Mormon, while also adding an intellectual support for testimony.
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Are we using the wrong wording for 'faith crisis?'
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In this episode, we tell several funny but a little off-color and irreverent stories about historical church leaders and prophets. This episode is meant to show the human side of these great men and help us relate to them a bit more. If these people, who were called of God, could make mistakes and still hold their calling, then maybe we can extend a little bit of grace toward them and give them the benefit of the doubt that they were trying their best. This episode features stories about Parley P. Pratt, Joseph Smith, Morris Phelps, King Follett, David O. McKay, Thomas S. Monson, and of course, J. Golden Kimball. You'll hear stories about escaping prison, breaking bones, swearing over the pulpit, peeing across a river, speeding on the road and nearly setting an entire canyon on fire.
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At last! An episode about the Book of Mormon from the SU Podcast! Jake has been waiting for this since the beginning of season 1! Tyler Griffin joins Jake to talk about how the Book of Mormon can act as an anchor in your faith! Jake shares how this amazing book has kept him in his faith even though many other things in Jake's faith and in his life seemed to be failing.
Tyler has many insights and experience with the Book of Mormon, having taught it for over 20 years along with other ancient scripture. He helps bolster Jake's faith in the Book of Mormon and helps him understand the phenomenon of the power of the book to anchor us in the body of Christ. Jake asks questions such as, What is the hardest obstacle to overcome when believing in the Book of Mormon? How can the Book of Mormon help me come closer to Christ? Why worship in an institution when I feel like I can worship God in my own way?
Stick around for a special insight at the end of the episode where Tyler gives personal experience on how the Book of Mormon has helped him become a better disciple of Jesus Christ.
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