Episodes

  • This week, Emily Bazelon, John Dickerson, and David Plotz discuss Stormy Daniels’s testimony in Donald Trump’s New York criminal trial; marijuana rescheduling; and the media’s role and responsibility in defending democracy.
     
    Here are some notes and references from this week’s show:
    Josh Gerstein for Politico: Stormy spoke. Trump fumed. Jurors were captivated – but also cringed.
    Ivana Saric for Axios: Status of Trump’s criminal cases
    Li Zhou for Vox: Marijuana could be classified as a lower-risk drug. Here’s what that means.
    Sam Tabachnik for The Denver Post: Black market marijuana grows are popping up faster than law enforcement can take them down. But is legalization the cause?
    John Ingold for The Colorado Sun: What have we learned about the arguments for and against legalized marijuana in the past 10 years?
    Nathaniel Meyersohn for CNN: The dark side of the sports betting boom
    C-SPAN: President Biden Remarks at White House Correspondents’ Dinner
    Ben Smith for Semafor: Joe Kahn: ‘The newsroom is not a safe space’
    Dan Pfeiffer for Message Box: Why Biden Won’t Do a New York Times Interview and A Response to the Editor of the New York Times
    Matthew Yglesias and Brian Beutler for the Politix Podcast: The Times, They Aren’t A Changin’
    Charles Homans for The New York Times Magazine: Donald Trump Has Never Sounded Like This
    Eli Stokols for Politico: The Petty Feud Between the NYT and the White House

    Here are this week’s chatters: 
    Emily: Vision: A Memoir of Blindness and Justice by David S. Tatel 
    John: Gina Kolata for The New York Times: Locks of Beethoven’s Hair Offer New Clues to the Mystery of His Deafness
    David: Randy Yohe for West Virginia Public Broadcasting: W.Va. Gubernatorial Campaign Attack Ads Vilify Transgender Children and Kyndall Cunningham for Vox: The Drake vs. Kendrick Lamar feud, explained
    Listener chatter from Justin and Katie in Columbus, Ohio: Keziah Weir for Vanity Fair: The Vatican’s Secret Role in the Science of IVF.   
     
    For this week’s Slate Plus bonus segment, David, John, and Emily talk with Emily Lawler, Detroit Free Press. See Emily Lawler for the Detroit Free Press: Voters’ voices in Saginaw County; John Wisely: Legal troubles don’t dampen Trump enthusiasm as he visits Michigan; and Paul Egan: As Trump visits, Michigan bellwether Saginaw County is feeling its political juice. See also Arpan Lobo: Michigan lawmaker says ‘illegal invaders’ landed at DTW. They were NCAA basketball teams.
     
    In the latest Gabfest Reads, John talks with David E. Sanger about his new book, New Cold Wars: China’s Rise, Russia’s Invasion, and America’s Struggle to Defend the West.
     
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    Podcast production by Cheyna Roth
    Research by Julie Huygen
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  • This week, Felix Salmon, Emily Peck, and Elizabeth Spiers are joined by legal scholar Mehrsa Baradaran, author of The Quiet Coup: Neoliberalism and the Looting of America. Mehrsa explains the roots of the neoliberalism movement and how the myth of free market made the American economy more oppressive, especially against black and brown people. Also: A misogynistic party culture has been revealed at the FDIC, and small banks are feeling the economic pinch. In the Plus segment: The California wildfires weren’t caused by Jewish space lasers — but there was malfeasance behind the scenes.
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  • You might not know Brad Parscale by name, but you know his work: he was the digital campaign operative behind Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential victory. This election cycle, he’s back—and advising conservatives on how to utilize A.I. in their campaigns. 

    Guest: Garance Burke, global investigative journalist for the Associated Press.

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  • Spare a thought for the judge in Donald Trump’s hush-money trial. Justice Juan Merchan has gone from holding the former president in contempt of court… to telling Trump’s defense they probably should have objected more during Stormy Daniels’ testimony. 

    Guest: Jeremy Stahl, Slate’s jurisprudence editor.

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  • Crossing the Darién Gap, a 66-mile stretch of jungle in Panama, was hard enough before right-wing influencers began showing up with cameras, trying to bait would-be migrants into providing pro-Trump soundbites. 

    Guest: Ken Bensinger, New York Times political reporter covering right-wing media and national campaigns.

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  • This week Bryan talks to Lucas LaRochelle, the creator of the online platform Queering the Map. Queering the Map is a community-generated digital archive and map of LGBTQ2IA+ experiences around the globe. They dig into the map’s beginnings, stories from the platform, and how this archive has been able to share queer joy, sorrow, and possibility across continents and in 23 languages. 

    Podcast production by Palace Shaw. 
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  • In a last minute twist, Hamas has agreed to a ceasefire with Israel. But targeted airstrikes are already underway in Rafah. With its infrastructure in shambles, Gaza is facing famine – and worse. What’s next for Gaza’s people? 

    Guest: Gregg Carlstrom, Middle East correspondent for the Economist.

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  • On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: prosecuting parents.

    Ethan Crumbley’s parents didn’t pull the trigger that killed 4 students in 2021 — but they’ve been sentenced to prison time for it all the same. 

    School shootings are devastatingly common in this country, but punishing the parents of the killer is a new tactic of handling the aftermath. Even if you think the Crumbleys were bad parents, though, the questions should be posed: why are we punishing them under the law? And is this the best way to address, or even prevent, mass tragedies?

    Professor, writer, and legal contributor for ABC News Kim Wehle joins us to urge for a look at the bigger picture.


    If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [email protected]

    Podcast production by Maura Currie.

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  • Marjorie Taylor Greene is calling for Mike Johnson’s job—again. But unlike Kevin McCarthy before him, Johnson has support from a surprising place.

    Guest: Jim Newell, Slate’s senior politics writer.

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  • The California Journalism Preservation Act would make companies like Google and Meta pay publishers for the news content appearing in their feeds and search results—and force news organizations to spend that money on their journalists. How have similar laws worked in Canada and Australia? And could it solve journalism’s on-going revenue problem?

    Guest: Matt Pearce, former LA Times journalist, the president of Media Guild of the West.


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  • Who hasn’t received necessary medical care and got a shockingly high bill for it weeks later? 
    Even with insurance, many Americans will experience this at some point–including one of the most recognizable doctors in the country: the U.S. surgeon general. 
    Earlier this year, Dr. Jerome Adams – who served as surgeon general for the Trump Administration – received a bill of nearly $5,000 after being treated for dehydration. What was his strategy for fighting it?
    On this week’s episode of Well, Now: How to fight back when you receive a surprising medical bill.
    If you liked this episode, check out: Ending Racism in Healthcare
    Podcast production by Vic Whitley-Berry with editorial oversight by Alicia Montgomery.
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  • The city of Flint, Michigan made headlines in spring of 2014, after public officials recognized dangerously high lead levels in the water supply. After ten years and three presidents, many African American Flint residents say their health is still being compromised by their water, and civil actions aimed at compensating them have –so far– only enriched lawyers. On today’s episode of A Word, Jason Johnson is joined by Adam Mahoney, the climate journalist for Capital B News. They discuss how the water crisis has affected everything from schools, to crime, to housing, and about ongoing efforts to make it right.

    Guest: Adam Mahoney, climate reporter for Capital B News

    Podcast production by Kristie Taiwo-Makanjuola

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  • This week: A new DEA designation for cannabis means high times for pot smokers, but what about the industry? Felix Salmon, Emily Peck, and Elizabeth Spiers discuss the future of the cannabis business, Binance founder Changpeng “CZ” Zhao’s lax, four-month prison sentence, and why Americans keep buying more cheap junk (but spend fortunes on ravioli). In the Plus segment: Elon Musk fired Tesla’s Supercharger network team: a bold move, or just a dumb one?
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  • This week, Emily Bazelon, John Dickerson, and David Plotz discuss the increasing and increasingly violent campus protests of Israel’s war in Gaza, Emily’s article on How ‘History and Tradition’ Rulings Are Changing American Law, and South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem’s chances of a vice presidential nomination after killing her dog and writing about it.
     
    Here are some notes and references from this week’s show:
    April Rubin, Kavya Beheraj, Tory Lysik, and Will Chase for Axios: Mapped: Where pro – Palestinian student protesters have been arrested
    Sharon Otterman and Santul Nerkar for The New York Times: As Protests Grow, Universities Choose Different Ways to End Unrest
    Mary Harris for Slate’s What Next podcast: Columbia Cracks Down
    The University of Chicago: Report on the University’s Role in Political and Social Action
    Jonathan Chait for New York’s Intelligencer: Why the Right Loves the Anti-Israel Encampments
    Abigail Hauslohner for The Washington Post: House passes antisemitism bill over complaints from First Amendment advocates
    Alexander Bolton for The Hill: Democrats split over campus protest crackdown
    Emily Bazelon for The New York Times: How ‘History and Tradition’ Rulings Are Changing American Law
    Regulations on YouTube
    Calvinball on Wikipedia
    The Catholic University of America Columbus School of Law: A Conversation with Justice Amy Coney Barrett
    Ian Millhiser for Vox: The Supreme Court appears poised to rein in its worst decision on guns
    Ulysses S. Grant Revealed: President Ulysses S. Grant On The U.S. Constitution
    Martin Pengelly for The Guardian: Trump VP contender Kristi Noem writes of killing dog – and goat – in new book
    PBS American Experience: Nixon’s Checkers Speech
    Marc A. Caputo for The Bulwark: Trump: ‘Marco has this residency problem.’

    Here are this week’s chatters:
    Emily: Gal Beckerman for The Atlantic: A Prominent Free-Speech Group Is Fighting for Its Life
    John: Sonja Anderson for Smithsonian Magazine: This Newly Deciphered Papyrus Scroll Reveals the Location of Plato’s Grave
    David: Kenny Holston for The New York Times: Inside a Navy Submarine Navigating the Arctic
    Listener chatter from Christina in Philadelphia: Marina Bolotnikova for Vox: Mega drive-throughs explain everything wrong with American cities; Wikipedia: Third place; Jake Blumgart for The Philadelphia Inquirer: Starbucks plans a new Center City location with no restrooms or seating; and Marin Cogan for Vox: The deadliest road in America.   
     
    For this week’s Slate Plus bonus segment, David, John, and Emily talk with Professor Deborah Tuerkheimer about the Harvey Weinstein case in New York. See Hurubie Meko and Maia Coleman for The New York Times: Prosecutors Say They Plan to Retry Harvey Weinstein as Soon as the Fall and Maria Cramer: Here are five takeaways from the overturned conviction. See also Deborah Tuerkheimer for CNN: Reversal in Harvey Weinstein case isn’t the demise of sex crimes prosecution and Credible: Why We Doubt Accusers and Protect Abusers by Deborah Tuerkheimer. 
     
    In the latest Gabfest Reads, John talks with David E. Sanger about his new book, New Cold Wars: China’s Rise, Russia’s Invasion, and America’s Struggle to Defend the West.
     
    Email your chatters, questions, and comments to [email protected]. (Messages may be referenced by name unless the writer stipulates otherwise.)
     
    Podcast production by Cheyna Roth
    Research by Julie Huygen
     
    Hosts
    Emily Bazelon, John Dickerson, and David Plotz
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  • Bird flu isn’t new, you may even remember past outbreaks. But showing up in milk? 

    Is America ready if it leaps to spreading among humans?

    Guest: Katelyn Jetelina, epidemiologist, senior advisor to the CDC 

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  • Professor Joe Howley has been working with student protesters for almost a year. When they occupied his building, he got texts from the kids—and nothing from the administration. Now that Columbia’s called the cops, and nearly 100 demonstrators have been arrested, what does that mean for the future of the institution—and for free speech on campus nationwide?

    Guest: Joe Howley, associate professor in the Columbia University Classics Department

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  • It’s not that we aren’t making progress slowing our carbon and greenhouse gas emissions; it’s just that we still may not be doing enough—fast enough—to avert catastrophe. 

    Guest: Umair Irfan, correspondent at Vox writing about climate change, Covid-19, and energy policy.

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  • On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: solidarity?

    College campuses across the country are grappling with protests and occupations in the name of a free Palestine. Many hundreds of students, faculty, and outside community members have been arrested in tense clashes with police — called onto campuses by the universities themselves. 

    Student protestors have shaped public discourse on matters like war and the environment for many decades. But without a clear, sympathetic goal, they can also lead to political backlash that far outlasts a four-year degree. 

    So are today’s student protestors instigating change in Gaza… or teeing up a crackdown on speech and protest here at home? 

    Prof. Steven Mintz of UT Austin joins us, and urges a cautionary look at the history books. 

    If you have thoughts you want to share, or an idea for a topic we should tackle, you can email the show: [email protected]

    Podcast production by Maura Currie.

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  • In the ‘90s, Pat Buchanan was a fringe figure among Republicans whose positions on immigration and demographic change in the United States were considered too extreme for the party. Now, his ideas are what passes for Donald Trump’s 2024 campaign platform.

    Guest: Ari Berman, Mother Jones’ national voting rights correspondent and author of “Minority Rule.”

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  • As some members of Congress call for crackdowns, how do college administrators ensure the safety of their entire student body – while also respecting its right to free speech? 

    Guest: Peter Beinart, Editor-at-Large at Jewish Currents and the author of “The Beinart Notebook” on Substack.

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