Episodes
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This week, host Jorden Guth is joined by Trinnov Audio general manager Jon Herron to discuss the companyâs history, the synergy between physical room acoustics and DSP room optimization, why different frequencies of sound require a different approach, and how the companyâs new WaveForming technology is a whole new approach to perfecting bass performance in-room.
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âTrinnov Amethyst DAC-Preamplifier-Processor" by Al Griffin https://www.soundstagesimplifi.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/39-trinnov-amethyst-dac-preamplifier-processor
Trinnov Audio: https://www.trinnov.com/
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:31 Introductions and origins stories00:09:51 What makes Trinnov different?00:26:59 The broken promise of Atmos00:31:59 Music Break: âOnce Upon a Time in the West Elevatorâ by Jamison Dewlen00:33:17 A deeper dive into old-school acoustics00:36:23 Why bass misbehaves00:43:59 How WaveForming works00:59:24 âDance of the Sugar Plum Fairyâ by Will Taylor
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This week, host Jorden Guth is joined by Pro Audio Technology owner/president L. Paul Hales to discuss his history in audio, how audio research has guided the development of his speakers over the years, what really matters in audio and what doesnât, and why most consumer speakers fall short in one significant way.
Sources:
âTheory Audio Design Sys5.2.2.8515 5.2.2 Dolby Atmos Surround Speaker Systemâ by Vince Hanada: https://www.soundstageaccess.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/1111-theory-audio-design-sys5-2-2-8515-5-2-2-dolby-atmos-surround-speaker-system
Dr. Floyd Toole: An Oral History 1: https://www.soundstage.life/e/dr-floyd-toole-an-oral-history-1-two-ears-and-a-brain-transistors-rules-and-data/
Dr. Floyd Toole: An Oral History 2: https://www.soundstage.life/e/dr-floyd-toole-an-oral-history-2-ab-tests-bass-athena-brains-rooms-hearing-listening/
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:31 Introductions and origins stories00:30:16 Music Break: âHarpstrings and Chill (GymnopĂ©die No. 1)â by Lalinea00:31:19 Hi-fi PA speakers?00:43:08 The origins of Pro Audio Technology00:59:40 What really matters in audio?01:12:14 âGymnopĂ©die No. 1â by T. Bless and the Professionals
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This week, host Jorden Guth is joined by the SoundStage! Networkâs Joseph Taylor, Jason Thorpe, and Dennis Burger to discuss records and turntables, from the perspective of two old pros and one recent convert to the format.
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âA Vinyl-Apathistâs Quest for His Perfect First Turntableâ by Dennis Burger: https://soundstageaccess.com/index.php/feature-articles/1297-a-vinyl-apathists-quest-for-his-perfect-first-turntable
âConfessions of a Recent Vinyl Convertâ by Dennis Burger: https://soundstageaccess.com/index.php/feature-articles/1301-confessions-of-a-recent-vinyl-convert
âRecord Store Day and Vinyl Cultureâ by Joseph Taylor: https://www.soundstagexperience.com/index.php/features-menu/pulse-menu/1151-record-store-day-and-vinyl-culture
âRead the Instructions! The Perils of Cartridge Setupâ by Jason Thorpe: https://soundstageultra.com/index.php/features-menu/opinion-menu/1231-read-the-instructions-the-perils-of-cartridge-setup
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:31 Introductions00:15:01 Tea ceremony for music 00:26:39 Music Break: "Homecoming" by Rex Banner00:27:27 How much difference do cartridges make?00:36:34 The psychology of sound quality01:03:08 "Afternoon Dissection" by Chameleon Treat
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This week, host Jorden Guth is joined once again by Simaudio product director Dominique Poupart and marketing director Ătienne Gautier to discuss how making its products locally affects the quality of the components, their serviceable life, rolling changes to production, and adapting to tough times like global pandemics.
Sources:
North Collection: https://simaudio.com/en/product-category/north-collection/
âSimaudioâs North Collection: The Future of Hi-Fi?â on the SoundStage! Audiophile Podcast: https://www.soundstage.life/e/simaudio-s-north-collection-the-future-of-hi-fi/
âSimaudioâs Moon 791 Streaming Preamplifier: Uncompromisedâ by Doug Schneider: https://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/opinion/1841-simaudio-s-moon-791-streaming-preamplifier-uncompromised
âMoon by Simaudio Has Exited the Echo Chamberâ by Dennis Burger: https://www.soundstageaccess.com/index.php/feature-articles/1201-moon-by-simaudio-has-exited-the-echo-chamber
âSimaudioâs Ătienne Gautier & the Art of Marketing Moonâ on the SoundStage! Audiophile Podcast: https://www.soundstage.life/e/simaudio-s-etienne-gautier-the-art-of-marketing-moon-baumgartner-restoration-taskmaster/
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:31 The origins of Simaudio00:04:03 How manufacturing at home keeps a company nimble 00:22:03 Music Break: "Threads of Smoke" by Tamuz Dekel00:23:14 Local manufacturingâs impact on repairability00:49:24 "Alice Loses Her Temper" by Maybird
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This week, host Jorden Guth continues his conversation with Dr. Floyd Toole, exploring the origins of the Athena project at Canadaâs NRC, the reasons for and details of his move to Harman International, some of the most misunderstood aspects of his research, the origins of his legendary book Sound Reproduction: The Acoustics and Psychoacoustics of Loudspeakers and Rooms, his legacy, and the music that moves him.
Closing credits music: âLongitudeâ by Rowan Hudson's Passing Ships
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âCanadaâs NRC: A Forthcoming Look at Its Role in the Advancement of Canadian Loudspeaker Designâ by Doug Schneider: https://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/opinion/1849-canadas-nrc-a-forthcoming-look-at-its-role-in-the-advancement-of-canadian-loudspeaker-designâThe Loudspeaker Class of â74: A Canadian Reunionâ by Doug Schneider: https://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/opinion/1866-the-loudspeaker-class-of-74-a-canadian-reunion
âFloyd Toole, NRC, SoundStage!âFilming of Our Upcoming Documentaryâ by the soundstagenetwork on YouTube: https://youtu.be/k8ykCTEOhZI?si=BfcmIAWg1s6BKyQm
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:28 Introductions00:01:19 The limits of A/B testing00:04:59 Why you have to measure everything00:15:42 All about that bass00:18:40 Athena, assemble! 00:23:47 How our brains make sense of rooms 00:27:28 âEmahoyâ by Rowan Hudson's Passing Ships00:28:45 Working with the CBC00:31:14 How hearing loss impacts judgment00:37:48 Another fateful phone call00:41:20 L.A. is no place to live00:44:02 The hint of a corporate target00:46:22 Herding engineers00:51:13 Listening tests at Harman00:53:22 Publishing the Harman research00:55:55 A feature, not a bugbear00:58:47 âHorse Latitudesâ by Rowan Hudson's Passing Ships01:00:10 Evolution or revolution?01:02:35 The two-sub solution01:07:54 The birth of Sound Reproduction01:11:05 Rewriting the book01:13:42 Unanswered questions and Dr. Tooleâs legacy01:45:59 The music that moves Dr. Toole
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This week, host Jorden Guth is joined by the loudspeaker legend himself, Dr. Floyd Toole, whose research at Canadaâs National Research Council (NRC), followed by his tenure at Harman International, resulted in arguably more improvements to the fidelity of audio we hear at home than anything attributable to any one person. In this first of our two-part discussion, Dr. Toole discusses his path from university to the NRC and right up to the onset of the Athena project, where weâll pick up in the second part.
Sources:
âCanadaâs NRC: A Forthcoming Look at Its Role in the Advancement of Canadian Loudspeaker Designâ by Doug Schneider: https://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/opinion/1849-canadas-nrc-a-forthcoming-look-at-its-role-in-the-advancement-of-canadian-loudspeaker-design
âThe Loudspeaker Class of â74: A Canadian Reunionâ by Doug Schneider: https://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/opinion/1866-the-loudspeaker-class-of-74-a-canadian-reunion
âFloyd Toole, NRC, SoundStage!âFilming of Our Upcoming Documentaryâ by the soundstagenetwork on YouTube: https://youtu.be/k8ykCTEOhZI?si=BfcmIAWg1s6BKyQm
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:28 Introductions00:04:39 The dawning of the age of the transistor00:11:05 Two ears and a brain00:21:28 A fateful interview00:27:58 Music break: "Turkish Marchâ by T. Bless & the Professionals00:29:24 Friday afternoon experiments00:33:54 The differences between musicians and audiophiles00:38:54 An industry operating without rules00:49:45 What can we learn from a set of data?00:54:01 âWhen I Get Homeâ by Brian Claxton
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This week, host Jorden Guth is joined by Dr. Sean Olive, senior fellow at Harman International, to discuss his time at NRC with Dr. Floyd Toole, his move from there to Harman, the development of the Harman target curves for headphones and earphones, and his thoughts on the future of immersive audio and more.
Sources:
Dr. Sean Olive on 35 Years of âFast Carâ by Dennis Burger: https://www.soundstageaccess.com/index.php/feature-articles/1259-dr-sean-olive-on-35-years-of-fast-car
Audio Musings by Sean Olive: https://seanolive.blogspot.com/
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:28 Introductions00:04:27 What is a Tonmeister?00:12:19 Sponsored by Canadaâs best and brightest00:18:10 All roads lead to California00:24:54 Music break: "Paris CafĂ©â by Wesly Thomas00:26:13 Manager of subjective evaluation00:36:03 The origins of the Harman target curve00:42:41 How to train your listeners00:49:09 âI Will Always Remember Youâ by Marek Jakubowicz
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This week, host Jorden Guth is joined by SoundStageâs Doug Schneider, Jason Thorpe, and Matt Bonaccio to discuss the biggest audio show in the world, whatâs new, whatâs different, and what were their favorite sights and sounds this time around.
Sources:
Coverage of High End 2024 - Munich, Germany: https://soundstageglobal.com/index.php/shows-events/high-end-2024-munich-germany
High End Society: https://www.highendsociety.de
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:28 Whatâs Munich all about?00:20:01 Music break: "Scapes" by Gray North00:20:48 Favorite sights and sounds00:46:30 âDiagrammaticâ by Oliver Michael
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This week, host Jorden Guth is joined by James Tanner, CEO of Bryston Ltd., to discuss the companyâs origins in the medical industry, the design of its original amplifiers, how the company has evolved over time, and how he eventually joined forces with Axiom Audioâs Ian Colquhoun.
Sources:
âCanadian Hi-Fi Trilogy: Axiom Audio, Bryston, and Magnum DynalabâAll Under One Expanding Roofâ: https://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/opinion/1785-canadian-hi-fi-trilogy-axiom-audio-bryston-and-magnum-dynalab-all-under-one-expanding-roof
Bryston: https://bryston.com/
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:28 Introductions00:01:52 Brystonâs origin story 00:16:11 Expanding product lines00:25:40 Music break: "Deadman Pass" by The Talbott Brothers00:27:32 Bryston in the 2000s and beyond00:53:25 âPirate Bluesâ by Leon Laudenbach
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This week, host Jorden Guth is joined by sound engineer, educator, and content developer Marcela Rada to discuss her obsession with sound, her personal history, how she became involved with the recording industry, and whatâs different about mixing for immersive formats like Dolby Atmos.
Sources:
Marcela Rada: https://marcelarada.com/
âAudiophile AtmosâDominique Fils-AimĂ© Surrounds with âOur Roots Run Deepââ: https://www.soundstagexperience.com/index.php/encore/1120-audiophile-atmos-dominique-fils-aime-surrounds-with-our-roots-run-deep
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:28 Introductions00:04:12 An education in audio 00:09:05 Experimentations with immersive audio00:20:37 Music break: âYou Won't Be the Lastâ by Moon00:21:29 Maxing mixes that translate well00:33:06 Different flavors of immersive audio00:45:39 âSmileâ by Aves
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This week, host Jorden Guth is joined by Ian Colquhoun, founder of Axiom Audio and now also the owner of Bryston and Magnum Dynalab, to discuss the origins of the company, its connection with the National Research Council, his own relationship with Dr. Floyd Toole, and how the companyâs speakers evolved after the legendary NRC research wound down.
Sources:
âCanadian Hi-Fi Trilogy: Axiom Audio, Bryston, and Magnum DynalabâAll Under One Expanding Roofâ: https://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/opinion/1785-canadian-hi-fi-trilogy-axiom-audio-bryston-and-magnum-dynalab-all-under-one-expanding-roof
Axiom Audio: https://www.axiomaudio.com/
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:28 Introductions00:03:31 Axiomâs origin story 00:12:30 Busting the myth of different speakers for different music00:25:46 Music break: âEmpty Pocketsâ by Bamtone00:26:52 Axiom as OEM00:30:27 OEM no more00:29:34 The twin-tweeter controversy00:47:07 Measurement artifacts01:08:34 âWherever I Amâ by Bamtone
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This week, host Jorden Guth continues his conversation with Dr. Peter Schuck, technical director at Paradigm Electronics Inc. The two cover the birth of Anthem Room Correction, the pros and cons of IIR and FIR filters, side quests, diversions, why flat in-room response isnât actually the goal, and how ARC has evolved in response to market pressures.
Sources:
âThe History of Anthem Room Correction (ARCÂź)â: https://www.anthemarc.com/advanced-topics/the-history-of-arc.php
âThe Detection Thresholds of Resonances at Low Frequenciesâ by Olive, Sean E.; Schuck, Peter L.; Ryan, James G.; Sally, Sharon L.; Bonneville, Marc E.: https://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=7868
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:28 Introductions00:03:15 IIR vs FIR 00:09:15 Pesky patents and water picks00:11:58 Untested waters00:17:01 Music break: âHulullĂșluluâ by Art Against Agony00:08:01 ARC is finally born00:23:46 Why flat sounds flat00:26:59 Removing the cap00:38:56 âFirstâ by IamDayLight 00:40:51 The music that moves Peter
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This week, host Jorden Guth is joined by Dr. Peter Schuck, technical director at Paradigm Electronics Inc., to discuss his history in hi-fi, how he ended up at the NRC, how his work with Dr. Floyd Toole evolved into the pioneering Athena project, and exactly what sorts of tests he and others constructed and conducted to determine listener preference with regard to the effects of the room on loudspeaker performance.
Sources:
âThe History of Anthem Room Correction (ARCÂź)â: https://www.anthemarc.com/advanced-topics/the-history-of-arc.php
âThe Detection Thresholds of Resonances at Low Frequenciesâ by Olive, Sean E.; Schuck, Peter L.; Ryan, James G.; Sally, Sharon L.; Bonneville, Marc E.: https://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=7868
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:28 Introductions00:07:58 The Energy 22 crossover00:15:41 Commerce or science?00:29:35 Music break: âPrecursorâ by Aquartos00:30:22 The five-point preference scale00:34:54 What makes a good test track?00:36:01 The circle of confusion keeps spinning00:50:38 âDay 1â by Aquartos
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This week, host Jorden Guth continues his conversation with Paul Barton, founder of PSB Speakers. If you havenât listened to season 3, episode 1 yet, do check that out first! In this second half of their conversation, the two discuss how the research at NRC contributed to the evolution of PSB speakers. Along the way, Paul gives the most cogent explanation ever of baffle diffraction and waveguides, and discusses how different driver materials affect the performance of a speaker.
Sources:
PSB Speakers: https://www.psbspeakers.com/
âPSB's Paul Barton (Part 1)â: https://www.soundstage.life/e/psbs-paul-barton-part-1-music-and-violins-starting-making-speakers-dr-floyd-toole-and-nrc/
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:28 Introductions00:00:44 Why the measurements matter 00:06:07 Explaining diffraction00:10:04 Waveguides are more than felt00:16:21 Music break: âScorched Earthâ by Maya Belsitzman00:17:59 Room correction and exotic materials00:22:21 Exploring different driver materials00:24:25 Diminishing returns and setting priorities00:38:06 âYour Papa and Mamaâ by Dialgo
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Welcome to season 3! This week, host Jorden Guth sits down with Paul Barton, founder of PSB Speakers, to discuss his personal history, his love of music, his passion for violin, and the origin story of PSB Speakersâall as a lead-in to a discussion about his time at the NRC doing research with Dr. Floyd Toole.
Sources:
PSB Speakers: https://www.psbspeakers.com/
Messiah Violin, by Stradivari: https://www.ashmolean.org/messiah-violin-stradivari
âMaking the Violinâ: http://www.makingtheviolin.com/
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:28 Introductions00:01:06 The origins of Paulâs love of music and hi-fi 00:12:11 Making speakers in high school00:14:50 Pre-industrial light & musical magic00:18:00 The small world of Canadian hi-fi00:21:23 The road to meeting Dr. Floyd Toole00:29:23 Planting seeds for the future
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For the final episode of season 2 of the SoundStage! Audiophile Podcast, host Jorden Guth is joined by T+A COO Condradin Amft to discuss the companyâs history and heritage, its entry into the headphone market, and how hi-fi will evolve into the future.
Sources:
â44 Years of T+AâGermany's Hi-Fi Giant in Detailâ: https://youtu.be/lzW18SuAJW0?si=SUjQkUfzU-obTWDv
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:20 Introductions00:01:53 The long road to todayâs T+A 00:20:44 Music Break: âFinaleâ by David Morton00:22:15 Where does T+Aâand the hi-fi industryâgo from here?00:34:05 Outro: âMirrors Sometimes Lieâ by Marco Martini
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When Sonus faber introduced its massive new flagship loudspeaker system, Suprema, at this yearâs CES, most of the press responded by asking about the price and finishes and little else. In this episode of the podcast, host Jorden Guth and SoundStage! founder Doug Schneider ask the real (and really tough) questions about the design and technical specifications of this world-class 4.5-way system comprised of two towering speakers and one or two massive subwoofers.
Sources:
Sonus faber Suprema product page: https://www.sonusfaber.com/en/products/suprema
âSuprema: the Sonus faber sonic revolutionâ: https://youtu.be/8rvz6C-D6Ng?si=f9aCKCfleNgivNRu
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:20 Introductions00:01:53 Supreme in minute technical detail 00:38:58 Music Break: âMemory Laneâ by Vox Portent00:22:01 The 30,000-foot view of the Suprema experience01:06:27 Outro: âTurquoise Soilâ by Vox Portent
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This week, host Jorden Guth is joined by SoundStage! Access editor and producer of the podcast Dennis Burger to discuss his recent article about how reviewersâ reference systems are often necessarily different from the systems they wish they could own. Dennis also gives Jorden some tips on writing a good review.
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âThe Needs of the Many versus the Needs of the Reviewerâ by Dennis Burger: https://soundstageaccess.com/index.php/feature-articles/1273-the-needs-of-the-many-versus-the-needs-of-the-reviewer
âMartijn Mensink On the Magic of Dutch & Dutchâ: https://www.soundstage.life/e/martijn-mensink-on-the-magic-of-dutch-dutch-active-speakers-cardioid-dispersion-acoustics/
âSpeaker and Headphone Measurements Mash-Upâ: https://www.soundstage.life/e/speaker-and-headphone-measurements-mash-up-misinformation-what-matters-active-vs-passive-listening/
âSimaudioâs North Collection: The Future of Hi-Fi?â: https://www.soundstage.life/e/simaudio-s-north-collection-the-future-of-hi-fi/
Baumgartner Restoration: https://www.youtube.com/c/baumgartnerrestoration
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:20 Introductions00:05:44 The needs of the many vs. the needs of the reviewer 00:19:52 Music Break: âThreads of Smokeâ by Tamuz Dekel00:22:01 How does Dennis write a review?00:50:50 Outro: âTurquoise Soilâ by Tamuz Dekel
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This week, host Jorden Guth is joined by SoundStage! founder Doug Schneider and SoundStage! Australia editor Edgar Kramer to discuss their respective 2023 year-end awards.
Sources:
âThe 2023 SoundStage! Network Awards for Outstanding Achievements and Products of the Yearâ by Doug Schneider: https://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/opinion/1843-the-2023-soundstage-network-awards-for-outstanding-achievements-and-products-of-the-year
âThe SoundStage! Australia Products of the Year Awards 2023â by Edgar Kramer: https://soundstageaustralia.com/index.php/features/832-the-soundstage-australia-products-of-the-year-awards-2023
Audiophile AtmosâDominique Fils-AimĂ© Surrounds with Our Roots Run Deep: https://youtu.be/74YJo-KM_Po?si=pWqHAGO6nRCOYomd
2023 SoundStage! AwardsâBest Hi-Fi Products and Outstanding Achievements with Dominique Fils-AimĂ©: https://youtu.be/pQf2W60g5T0?si=iIsNb1Os2lSlkJIH
âTell Me Taylor Swift Fans Donât Care About Sound Qualityâ by Dennis Burger: https://soundstageaccess.com/index.php/feature-articles/1270-tell-me-taylor-swift-fans-dont-care-about-sound-quality
âSeven Shades of AC/DCâs Back in BlackâFinding the Best Version to Test Your System Withâ by Doug Schneider: https://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/system-one/1280-seven-shades-of-acdcs-back-in-black-finding-the-best-version-to-test-your-system-with
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:20 Introductions00:05:44 How SoundStage! does it different 00:18:25 Music Break: "Walkabout Australia" by Hans Johnson00:19:21 Recognizing the people who make the magic happen00:46:26 Outro: âToo Many Stepsâ by Oran Loyfer
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This week, host Jorden Guth is joined by SoundStage! founder Doug Schneider to tell the origin story of SoundStage! Networkâs InSight video series, how theyâve evolved, and the details of their most recent globetrotting trip to Wilson Audio and T+A.
Sources:
Muraudio's Domain Omni Series Speaker | SoundStage! InSight: https://youtu.be/VkHQC8pz2H8?si=Lax4bC_UDAXXxSkj
Axiom Audio's M100 v4 Loudspeaker | SoundStage! InSight: https://youtu.be/7cdPUHJKx70?si=bNa83Mkf2R08yY8N
Totem Acoustic's Torrent Technology | SoundStage! InSight: https://youtu.be/GTIpO19Eg-k?si=O5M9YYEgUioRq6Vs
Vivid Audio's Giya Series Speakers | SoundStage! InSight: https://youtu.be/RT2ytbENY34?si=4RoFWyyMbBN8J8dw
Paradigm's Prestige Series | SoundStage! InSight: https://youtu.be/_q7pMJ3LSjs?si=IO6pPLHwz-7714g9
MartinLogan's Neolith Loudspeaker (February 2015): SoundStage! InSight: https://youtu.be/XIinQTD36cE?si=cODB7nSvy2pZ0ORi
Monitor Audio Hyphn Speaker 1 - From Visionary Concept to Cutting-Edge Completion | SoundStage! InSight: https://youtu.be/uk5vckG5Imw?si=dL753LtRdgLAE_Cz
Monitor Audio Hyphn Speaker 2 - Advanced Acoustical Concepts and Daring Industrial Design | SoundStage! InSight: https://youtu.be/5BTZ5REwjCQ?si=VSEyOua-ZKRjJHRv
Daryl Wilson: Growing Up and Into Wilson Audio: https://www.soundstage.life/e/darylwilson-growing-upand-into-wilsonaudio-the-wilsonhouseholdbuildingwattpuppy-speakersnorth-star-measurements-andlisteningpink-floyd-fridays/
44 Years of T+A - Germany's Hi-Fi Giant in Detail | SoundStage! InSight: https://youtu.be/lzW18SuAJW0?si=AsMDlMuEuCaraWqO
Chapters:00:00:00 Announcement00:00:20 Introductions00:00:52 The Two-Day Rule 00:14:16 Music Break: "Ocean Depth" by Veaceslav Draganov00:15:39 This ainât marketing00:21:45 Touring a facility and picking up slack00:24:35 From Jazz to T+A and beyond00:34:51 Picking favorites?
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