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Michael is speaking with Wright Thompson about his new book, The Barn The Secret History of a Murder in Mississippi which is a revelatory account of the murder of Emmett Till.
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Abbott Kaler’s new book Eden Undone, a true story of sex, murder, and utopia at the dawn of World War II, explores the universal and timeless desire to seek utopia by three sets of exiles to the Galapagos Islands. Abbott is the author of four New York Times bestselling works of narrative nonfiction.
She is a native of Philadelphia, where she has spent six years as a journalist covering crime, advocating for abused women, and hanging out with mafia bosses, baseball wives, and others.
https://www.abbottkahler.com/
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Michael’s guest is Thomas Fuller. He’s here to talk about his inspirational new book, The Boys of Riverside, A Deaf Football Team and the Quest for Glory, which tells the story of the California school for the Deaf, Riverside and its pursuit of a football championship in California.
The Boys of Riverside: A Deaf Football Team and a Quest for Glory: 9780385549875: Fuller, Thomas
Transcript of the conversation
Thomas Fuller
Thomas Fuller (@thomasfullerNYT)
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Join Michael in his conversation with Graham Moore about his new book of historical fiction entitled The Wealth of Shadows, Money is a Dangerous Weapon in which he tells the story of a group of US Treasury Department officials and their efforts to bring down Nazi Germany through economic warfare.
Graham is a New York Times-bestselling novelist and Academy Award-winning filmmaker.
His novels — The Wealth of Shadows (2024), The Hold Out (2020), The Last Days of Night (2016), and The Sherlockian (2010) — have been published in 24 countries and translated into 19 languages. The Last Days of Night was named one of the best books of the year by the Washington Post and the Philadelphia Inquirer, while The Sherlockian was nominated for an Anthony Award for best first novel.
His screenplay for The Imitation Game (2014) won the Academy Award, WGA Award, and PEN Award, and was nominated for a BAFTA and a Golden Globe. His film directorial debut The Outfit (2022) premiered at the Berlin Film Festival, was nominated for a British Independent Film Award and was named one of the 10 best films of the year by the Houston Chronicle.
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Join Michael in his conversation with Dana Bash about her important new book America’s Deadliest Election the Cautionary Tale of the Most Violent Election in American History which tells the story of the 1872 Louisiana Governor’s race and the lessons it holds for the present.
From CNN’s Chief Political Correspondent Dana Bash, the fast-paced story of the extraordinary election that led to hundreds of murders, warfare in the streets of New Orleans, two governors of Louisiana—and changed the course of politics in our country.
The Election of 1872 was the most contentious in American history. After both parties complained of corruption, neither candidate would concede, two governors claimed office and chaos erupted. Rival newspapers engaged in a bitter war of words, politicians plotted to overthrow the government, and their supporters fought in the streets and attempted assassinations. The entire country watched in grim fascination as the wounds of the Civil War were ripped open and the promise of President Grant’s Reconstruction faltered in the face of violent resistance and the birth of the Ku Klux Klan.
Dana Bash
https://twitter.com/DanaBashCNN
America's Deadliest Election: Original – HarperCollins
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Join Michael in his conversation with John Della Volpe the Director of Polling in the Institute of Politics at the Harvard Kennedy School about his book Fight, How Gen Z is Channeling their Fear and Passion to Save America as well as the results of his September 2024 Harvard YouthPoll.
Fight, has been called “the definitive account of America’s next great generation,” and provides an in depth exploration of Gen Z the events that have shaped them, and what it means for America and our future.
September 11. The war on terror. Hurricane Katrina. The 2008 financial crisis. The housing crisis. The opioid epidemic. Mass school shootings. Climate change. Racial injustice. The whiplash between the election of the first Black president and Donald Trump. COVID-19.
Generation Z (also known as “Zoomers”) — those born from the late 1990s to early 2000s —has been faced with an onslaught of turmoil, destruction, and instability unprecedented in modern history. And it shows: They are more stressed, anxious, and depressed than previous generations, a phenomenon John Della Volpe has documented extensively through decades of interviews and meetings with young Americans across the country.
But Gen Z has not buckled under this tremendous weight. On the contrary, they have organized around the issues America has left unsolved, from gun control to racial and environmental justice to economic inequality, becoming more politically engaged than their elders were at their age and showing a unique willingness to disrupt the status quo.
In Fight, Della Volpe draws on his vast experience to show the largest forces shaping Zoomers’ lives, the issues they care most about, and how they are — despite older Americans’ efforts to label Gen Z as overly sensitive, lazy, and entitled — rising to the unique challenges of their time to take control of their country and our future.
https://www.amazon.com/Fight-Channeling-Their-Passion-America/dp/1250260469
https://iop.harvard.edu/youth-poll/48th-edition-fall-2024
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Mary Louise Kelly joins Michael to talk about her book,It. Goes. So. Fast.: The Year of No Do-Overs.
In it she writes about the dual pressures that of the work life balance in an honest, funny, revelatory, and immensely relatable way.
Mary Louise has been reporting for National Public Radio for nearly two decades and is now the co host of All Things Considered. She has written two suspense novels and is the author of articles and essays that appeared in the New York Times, the Atlantic, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, among numerous other publications.
Mary Louise Kelly
https://twitter.com/NPRKelly
It. Goes. So. Fast.: The Year of No Do-Overs.
https://marylouisekellybooks.com/
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Join Michael in his conversation with Larry Weber about his new book The New Age of Reason, Harnessing the Power of Tech for Good which posits that we are in the midst of a new wave of technology—one that’s ushering our world to an entirely new era for the good.
Larry Weber is a successful entrepreneur, thought leader, author, and founder of several global marketing companies. Larry is a globally-renowned expert on public relations and marketing services. He is the founder, chairman, and CEO of Racepoint Global, an integrated marketing services agency. He is also the founder of Weber Shandwick, among the largest communications companies in the world.
A New Age of Reason: Harnessing the Power of Tech for Good provides a roadmap for integrating emerging world-changing technologies, such as AI/robotics, chips/sensors, and quantum computing, to solve some of today’s thorniest and most pressing problems like climate
change and world hunger.
The author offers inspiring examples of companies using technology to positively impact humanity. The book provides an actionable playbook to transform your organization around this mission, including how to develop a tech for good strategy, how to evolve the C Suite to deliver
on this mission, how to market it, as well as measure outcomes. The author also discusses the latest technology breakthroughs delivering positive world outcomes, such as:
● Extending a surgeon’s “eyes and hands” via robotics surgical systems to improve patient outcomes
● Computer vision tech that enables farmers to maximize crops to feed our burgeoning population
● AI/robotics that identify and fight wildfires
Bringing together a collective of major thinkers on this subject and providing guidance for a better future, A New Age of Reason: Harnessing the Power of Tech for Good is a timely read for all executive leaders seeking to harness the new wave of technology to solve key societal problems and have a positive impact on the world.
A New Age of Reason by Larry Weber
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Join Michael in his conversation with Judge Patricia Broderick about her new book Reinventing the Wheel, Hard Roads Can Lead To Beautiful Places which chronicles her life’s story from a life-altering car crash at age seventeen to her judgeship on the Superior Court of the District of
Columbia.
Reinventing the Wheel: Hard Roads Can Lead to Beautiful Places: Broderick, Patricia A
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Join Michael in his conversation with Ali Velshi about his new book Small Acts of Courage, A Legacy of Endurance and the Fight for Democracy which tells the 125 years of his family’s history as advocates for social justice as a living, breathing experience—a way of life more than an ideology.
Small acts of courage matter. Sometimes, they change the world.
Our history books are filled with the stories of those who fought for democracy and freedom—for idealism itself—against all odds, from Mahatma Gandhi and Nelson Mandela to Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. These iconic struggles for social change illustrate the importance of engagement and activism and offer a template for the battles we are fighting today. But using the right words is often easier than taking action; action can be hard, and costly.
More than a century ago, MSNBC host Ali Velshi’s great-grandfather sent his seven-year-old son to live at Tolstoy Farm, Gandhi’s ashram in South Africa. This difficult decision would change the trajectory of
his family history forever. From childhood, Velshi’s grandfather was imbued with an ethos of public service and social justice, and a belief in absolute equality among all people—ideals that his children
carried forward as they escaped apartheid, emigrating to Kenya and ultimately Canada and the United States.
Small Acts of Courage, is rich in detail and vivid prose, as Ali relates the stories of regular people who made a lasting commitment to fight for change, even when success seemed impossible. This heartfelt
exploration of how we can breathe new life into the principles of pluralistic democracy is an urgent call to action—for progress to be possible, we must all do whatever we can to make a difference
Small Acts of Courage: A Legacy of Endurance and the Fight for Democracy
https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250288851/smallactsofcourage
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Join Michael in his conversation with David Rubenstein about his new book The Highest Calling, Conversations on the American Presidency which chronicles the journeys of the presidents who have envisioned America as it now exists, what they envision for its future, and their legacy on the world stage.
For years, bestselling author David M. Rubenstein has distilled the contours of American democracy through conversations with noted leaders and historians.
In The Highest Calling, he offers an enlightening overview of arguably the single most important position in the world: the American presidency.
Blending history and anecdote and drawing from his own experience in the Carter administration, he engages in dialogues with our nation’s presidents and the historians who study them. The book offers exclusive access to fresh perspectives, including:
Original interviews with most of the living US presidents
-Interviews with noted presidential historians like Annette Gordon-Reed, Ron Chernow, Candice Millard, and others.
Through insightful analysis, Rubenstein captures our country’s most prominent leaders, the political genius and frays of the presidential role, and the wisdom that emerges from it.
https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Highest-Calling/David-M-Rubenstein/9781668067628
https://www.carlyle.com/about-carlyle/team/david-m-rubenstein
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Join Michael in his conversation with Anne Applebaum about her new book Autocracy, Inc which tells an alarming account of how autocracies work together to undermine the democratic world, and how we should organize to defeat them.
We think we know what an autocratic state looks like: There is an all-powerful leader at the top. He controls the police. The police threaten the people with violence. There are evil collaborators, and maybe some brave dissidents.
But in the 21st century, that bears little resemblance to reality. Nowadays, autocracies are underpinned not by one dictator, but by sophisticated networks composed of kleptocratic financial structures, surveillance technologies, and professional propagandists, all of which operate across multiple regimes, from China to Russia to Iran. Corrupt companies in one country do business with corrupt companies in another. The police in one country can arm and train the police in another, and propagandists share resources and themes, pounding home the same messages about the weakness of democracy and the evil of America.
International condemnation and economic sanctions cannot move the autocrats. Even popular opposition movements, from Venezuela to Hong Kong to Moscow, don’t stand a chance. The members of Autocracy, Inc, aren’t linked by a unifying ideology, like communism, but rather a common desire for power, wealth, and impunity. In this urgent treatise, which evokes George Kennan’s essay calling for “containment” of the Soviet Union, Anne Applebaum calls for the democracies to fundamentally reorient their policies to fight a new kind of threat.
Anne Applebaum
https://www.anneapplebaum.com/
Autocracy, Inc.
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/725302/autocracy-inc-by-anne-applebaum/
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This Labor Day weekend, That Said revisits an intriguing conversation with Michael Finkel about his book The Art Thief. The book chronicles the extraordinary life of Stephen Breitweiser, the most prolific art thief in history, and has recently climbed the bestseller lists of both the New York Times and Washington Post with its paperback release.
This interview is being re-released for two compelling reasons. First, the story of Stephen Breitweiser offers a gripping narrative that’s perfect for end-of-summer reading. Second, The Art Thief is a book that consistently resonates with readers around the world. Whether you're hearing this conversation for the first time or revisiting it, it promises to be a captivating listen. Enjoy this special Labor Day edition, and feel free to share your thoughts with us.
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Join Michael in his discussion with David Gergen about his book, Hearts Touched with Fire, How Great Leaders are Made as they explore the fundamental attributes necessary to become a leader and the key leadership lessons David has stockpiled from his half-century of public service.
David Gergen
https://twitter.com/David_Gergen
https://www.david-gergen.com/
https://www.commpro.biz/news/a-conversation-with-david-gergen-author-hearts-touched-with-fire-how-great-leaders-are-made
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Join Michael in his updated discussion with historian Heather Hendershot in a discussion of her book When the News Broke: Chicago 1968 and the Polarizing of America, which revisits the TV coverage of the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago; a pivotal moment in American history when the notion of a liberal biased media became mainstreamed and nationalized.
This discussion will also focus on the upcoming Democratic National Convention and what to look for in the coverage of the 2024 presidential election.
BIOs
https://communication.northwestern.edu/faculty/heather-hendershot.html
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Join Michael in his updated discussion with E.J. Dionne, Jr. and Miles Rapoport about their new book 100% Democracy, The Case for Universal Voting, which argues that mandatory participation in our electoral system should be the cornerstone of our Democracy. Simply put, the authors make a compelling argument that it is time for the United States to recognize voting as both a fundamental civil right and a solemn civic duty of all U.S. citizens
BIOs
https://www.commpro.biz/news/a-conversation-with-ej-dionne-and-miles-rapoport-authors-democracy-the-case-for-universal-voting
https://www.amazon.com/100-Democracy-Case-Universal-Voting/dp/1620976773
https://100percentdemocracy.org/
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This week we will re-release our February 2021 conversation with John Dean about his book Authoritarian Nightmare: Trump and His Followers.
Authoritarian Nightmare was the first book to take a deep dive into the psychology of Trump’s voter base in an effort to answer such questions as: Why does his rhetoric continue to appeal to them, while his actions are often contrary to their economic, health and religious interests? Why do his followers believe his lies despite so much proof to the contrary? Why do they continue to have faith in a man whose words and actions continue to contradict reality?
The Monmouth University Polling Institute which provided research on Authoritarian tendencies to support for John’s book, has released a new poll this month, July 2024, that explores the continuing prevalence of authoritarianism tendencies in the American populace, especially among Trump voters.
https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/2020/08/25/authoritarian-tendencies-in-the-american-electorate-part-1/
https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/2020/08/25/authoritarianism-among-pro-and-anti-trump-voters-part-2/
https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_US_071124/
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Join Michael in his conversation with Michael Wolraich about his new book The Bishop and the Butterfly, Murder, Politics, and the End of the Jazz Age which tells the gripping story of the rise and fall of the New York Tammany Hall political machine intertwined with a murder-mystery that set everything in motion.
Her body lay in the undergrowth beside a road that snaked through Bronx’s Van Cortlandt Park. It might have gone unnoticed but for a white kid glove snagged on a bush that caught the morning light, drawing the attention of a pedestrian. Her hair was auburn and fashionably short. She wore a black velvet dress and a single suede shoe. A dirty noose squeezed her throat so tightly that it broke the skin. The murder was sensational, even by the jaded standards of the bloody Prohibition Era. Journalists rushed to the scene and breathlessly expounded on the victim’s beauty and glamorous clothing.
But the biggest bombshell landed after the body was identified as Benita Bischoff, alias Vivian Gordon. The lead detective described her as a “a woman of many acquaintances,” while the Bronx DA called her “a shakedown artist.” When detectives searched her posh Midtown apartment, they found scandalous black books and an explosive clue—a letter from an anti-corruption investigation that had exposed a heinous police conspiracy. These shocking discoveries riveted the public and set in motion events that ultimately brought down the corrupt political machine that had ruled New York for generations.
Michael is the critically acclaimed narrative non-fiction author of two previous books Unreasonable Men and Blowing Smoke. His writing has appeared in Rolling Stone, The Atlantic, New York Magazine, among numerous other publications. Wolraich grew up in Iowa and graduated from Williams College in Massachusetts and has lived in New York City since 2000.
https://michaelwolraich.com/
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Join Michael in his conversation with George Stephanopoulos about his new book The Situation Room, The Inside Story of Presidents in Crisis which recounts the crises and the decisions that shaped the course of history from its creation in 1961 through to today. No room better defines American power and its role in the world than the White House Situation Room. And yet, none is more shrouded in secrecy and mystery.
The Situation Room is the definitive past-the-security-clearance look at the room where history has been made. Detailing close calls made and disasters narrowly averted, The Situation Room takes readers through minute-by-minute transcripts after both Presidents Kennedy and Reagan were shot; the shocking moment when Henry Kissinger raised the military alert level to DEFCON III while President Nixon was drunk in the White House residence; the extraordinary scene when President Carter asked for help from secret government psychics to rescue American hostages in Iran; a vivid retelling of the harrowing hours during the 9/11 attack; new details from Obama administration officials leading up to the raid on Osama Bin Laden; and a first-ever account of January 6th from the staff inside the Sit Room.
George is the host of ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos and co-anchor of Good Morning America. He joined ABC News in 1997 as an analyst for This Week. Prior to joining ABC News, he served in the Clinton administration as the senior advisor to the president for policy and strategy. He is the author of All Too Human, a New York Times bestseller.
Lisa Dickey is an American author who has helped clients write more than 20 published nonfiction books, including eleven New York Times Best Sellers. Authors with whom she has worked include Jill Biden, Patrick Swayze, Gavin Newsom, Cissy Houston, Herbie Hancock, Tammy Duckworth, Sheila Johnson and Roberta Kaplan. Her collaborations have spanned a vast array of topics, from politics to business to entertainment to international relations.
George Stephanopoulos
https://linktr.ee/gstephanopoulos
https://www.nytimes.com/books/best-sellers/
Lisa Dickey
https://lisadickey.com/
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Join Michael in his conversation with Professor Barbara McQuade about her new book Attack from Within, How Disinformation is Sabotaging America which addresses the issue of how disinformation is polarizing American society and threatening the foundations of our democracy.
We are strategically being pushed apart by disinformation—the deliberate spreading of lies disguised as truth—and it comes at us from all sides: opportunists on the far right, Russian misinformed social media
influencers, among others. It’s endangering our democracy and causing havoc in our electoral system,schools, hospitals, workplaces, and in our Capitol.
Advances in technology including rapid developments in artificial intelligence threaten to make the problems even worse by amplifying false claims and manufacturing credibility.
In Attack from Within, Barbara McQuade, shows us how to identify the ways disinformation is seeping into all facets of our society and how we can fight against it.
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Attack from Within
https://www.barbaramcquade.com/
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