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Enjoy this replay of EP 373 with Joshua Schwartz and Travel Creel.
Today on episode 373 of the outdoor biz podcast I’m talking with Travel Creel founder and chef Joshua Schwartz. Joshua and his team love to fish! Their goal is to combine world-class fishing destinations with comfortable accommodations and outstanding dining experiences.
Facebook Twitter Instagram The Outdoor Biz Podcast Love the show? Subscribe, rate, review, and share! Sign up for my Newsletter HERE. I'd love to hear your feedback about the show! You can contact me here: email: [email protected] Show NotesHow'd you get into cooking?
So, my grandfather owned a French bistro, so I kind of grew up in a restaurant as a kid, and he passed away when I was pretty young, and didn't really know how to deal with his passing.
Didn't really understand grief and everyone was really upset. My family, my mom, my dad, my sister were all upset and I didn't really know what to do cuz I wasn't feeling upset, but I didn't know how to deal with it. And my mom's like, you, everyone deals with grief differently, so you just need to choose what you wanna do and how you wanna deal with it.
And I said, well, I'm just gonna be a chef like grandpa was. Oh, cool. And that was really kind of like, I set my sights on it and I never looked back.
So tell us about your cooking career. You cooked at the French Laundry, Bouchon, and Per Se
Yeah, so I started cooking at 14 professionally and worked my way through some of local restaurants and met a chef when I was in high school, who was an instructor at the New England Culinary Institute, and he worked for Thomas Keller at his original restaurant in New York called Rakel.
He helped me get set up going to the New England Culinary Institute. Which, which is where I went to school in Vermont. And my first externship, from the way that school worked was you did six months at school, six months as an externship working in a professional kitchen. And then back to school for six months and then back out in the field for six more months. And then you graduated. So my first externship was in New York working for David Bouley at the original Bouley on Duane and Houston. And that was my introduction to fine dining.
When did you have time to pick up fly fishing?
When I was working at the French Laundry we started the project of Buchon and me and another chef friend Jeff Cerciello, we were going to be the sous chefs at Buchon. So we, we were helping with that project and everything was going really well, but it was kind of slow-moving, you know, building a restaurant out and starting it from the ground. , it was slow-moving. So we had, we had a lot of free time. I mean, not a lot, but more than normal. And he asked me if I wanted to go up and fish go fish with him up on Hat Creek. Which is, you know, a beautiful Spring Creek in Northern California. I had grown up fishing as a kid. My grandmother used to take me flounder fishing off the dock on Long Island as a kid. And, and then we moved to Pennsylvania when I was a little bit older and we had ponds in every corner. And I used to use my spin rod and catch bass left and right. And that was kind of like a normal summer routine for me. So I loved fishing. But I'd never fly fished before.
And I caught my first fish on a dry fly and that was it. I mean, on the way home, I overdrew my bank account and bought a fly rod a fly. waiters and boots at the fly shop in Redding. I remember it specifically cause I overdrew my account.
Right, right, right. But I was dead set on like, I'm gonna keep doing this. It's, yeah. So it's, it's a great sport to participate in. Yeah. And then that summer, like we took another, like, we, we all mountain bike and we took. A mountain biking trip up to Tahoe. And I remember one day we were, we were gonna do the Crest Trail and I was like, I'm gonna take the day off from biking and I'm gonna go fishing.
And I went out to the East Carson and, and, and set myself up with a bob or rig for the first time and caught my first Subsurface on a fly rod, on a flash, a flashback, pheasant tail. And then I was just like, now I'm in it. So it was very cool. It was pretty awesome. And that was, that was the beginning.
Then a couple of years later, what happened is I went to New York at that point and went to Per Se, and all my fly fishing gear went into a bin.
So what was the inspiration for Travel Creel? How did those two things mesh into what you're doing today?
So, a friend of mine has an outfitting company AC Fly Fishing out of Redding. And Anthony had approached me about helping him with a travel trip going to Louisiana for Redfish, and he said, you want to come along and you can go fishing and you'd cook for everybody?
And I'm like yeah, dude. Like I get to basically go do this saltwater trip for free, right? Get to do some fishing and you know, all I gotta do is cook, like I can handle that. So it was a great introduction to travel and hospitality with travel. And I did it for a few years with him. We would do it every year.
We'd set it all up and so he would just do like one, one international trip a year. It was one trip that I did with him. The whole thing is with saltwater fly fishing, there's no guarantee with fishing. And when you're in the business of creating experiences for people, you gotta work on your controllables.
And the controllables are hospitality and you know, a good bed to sleep in, nice meals. All those things are controllable when the fishing's not right. And that was like the premise behind it. That's what we talked about a lot. And why it worked and it made sense to me and I was able to kind of excel in that world of knowing how to talk to fisherman because I was one of 'em. Right? On top of being able to create a great meal for them. And it just made a really good vibe in, in the lodge, you know? It's great. Yeah. And now Travel Creel came to life.
Tell everybody what Travel Creel is. What do you do?
So basically right around when Covid started, we had a trip to Louisiana planned. And what happened is we had the guides lined up, the lodges lined up, and then the clients bailed out because of Covid. And we kind of hit the panic button a little bit, what are we gonna do? And I was like, well, let me reach out to all my clients.
I had started working at Del Gado and I had a kid and I got married I transitioned into guiding because it was a way for me to go fishing still Right. And make money. And my wife would be like, yeah, yeah, you can go 'cause you're making money. So I bought a drift boat. I learned how to row a drift boat and I started, on my weekends going up to Redding and guiding the Sac for trout and ended up getting a permit on the Trinity River and guiding the Trinity. Then that led to me guiding for coastal steelhead as well. The whole premise behind my guiding business was, I can't guarantee you're gonna catch a bunch of fish when we go steelhead fishing. But I guarantee you're gonna have a great lunch.
So I had all these clients, right? So I told Anthony, listen, let me reach out to some of my guys and see if I can put together this group and we can still go. Literally in like 24 hours got the trip filled up. And that's when it kind of clicked in my head, like, maybe this is something I should be doing. Right. Maybe you know, I could change my role from being just the guy that goes along and fishes and cooks to the guy who puts the trips together. And really step up the hospitality. Take that killer lunch and turn it into a killer experience. And that's where Travel Creel was born.
I wanna create a business where I can create these experiences, not just in Louisiana, but all over the country, and possibly all over the world.
We should let everybody know as we're talking that Josh was out for a walk with his daughter and dog, so that's why you're activity in the background.
So what are some of the most, let's start with most exotic places that you've taken a group to and kind of had to cook, camp, cook kind of thing?
You know, I haven't really done much camp cooking. As far as these trips go, I try to make 'em a little bit more upscale. Where I try to find like a nice place for everyone to congregate. Most recently I think probably the out there place has been San Carlos in Baja for fishing, for Rooster Fish and Marlin.
You know, it's kind of like the wild west of Baja. It's like old school, Baja. And as far as like logistics go for me and putting a trip together, it's probably been the most challenging, but most rewarding at the same time.
So how do you, is it still word of mouth or how do you market the business?
I started with just the clients that I have. And it's, you know, I'm only as good as the last trip I did and every, every little trip I do the word travels and, and you know, I have a client then tell four or five of his buddies and say, you gotta come with me on this next trip. and then those guys tell their friends and it's, it's a lot of word of mouth.
And the other, the other part is I have a really great network of friends that are in the fly fishing industry that are all very supportive of what I'm doing. A lot of independent guides. I mean, you and I are talking today because of Dave Neal, Dave Neal. Shout out to Dave great guide.
Yeah. He's a great friend and independent guide and supports what I do and, and has eaten my food and loves it. And someone like that I can reach out to him with a trip and be like, Hey, listen, I got two spots left to fill on this trip. and if you fill those spots, then I'll throw you a bone.
And that kind of, that kind of stuff is really helpful too. And it's, it's come into play quite a few times, so that's perfect.
Do you work all, do you also work with any fly shop?
I have been working with George Revelle at Lost Coast Outfitters in San Francisco. So he basically puts together all the lists of gear and everything.
I send it out to clients and then they get to contact George directly or the shop perfect, and get all those items they need for a trip. And in turn it's a very simple partnership where he helps me put those lists together.
I promote him and he helps me fill seats.
Do you get to do any other outdoor activities?
No, probably not. You know, my kids have been wanting to go snowboarding this year and we're probably gonna get up there and do that. You know, a lot of everything we do is right here. We live in Sonoma County and we have, we have a big boat that we take out on the lake, or we take out in the bay. The kids like to go be pulled around in a tube or go water skiing.
We try to get out on the boat as much as we can when there's nice weather. And we love bike rides. We do a little hiking here and there.
Do you have any suggestions or advice for folks wanting to get into the fly fishing biz or outdoor biz?
I think just get out there and experience it and get on the water and you don't know until you go, you gotta get out there and, and experience it and meet people and network.
If you're looking to be a guide, get on that water. Learn from the guys that know the water the best. Obviously learn how to row a boat if you're gonna be running a drift boat. Exactly.
Do you have any daily routines to keep your sanity?
I'd say as far as daily routines mine is getting in my truck and turning it on some music and driving 45 minutes over the hill. A beautiful drive over through vineyards and the rolling hills here. In that 45-minute ride to and from work, I accomplish more in my head than I do accomplish when I'm at home or at work. It gives me a chance to clear my head. It gives me a chance to think about ideas. A lot of people ask me like, when do you have time to come up with ideas for some of your new dishes and stuff? I'm like, most of those ideas come to me while I'm driving to or from work.
Do you read a lot? Do you have any favorite books? Books to give as?
My mom was an English teacher and when you presented that question in email, I was like, I can't wait to get to it. I was kind of pushed to read as a kid.
I'd say the most recent book that I read is Lords of the Fly. And you know, to me that that book sucked me right into that story. And I actually got to go to Homosassa last year and meet some of the players in that book.
Since you're a cook, is there a favorite piece of gear that all of us that cook outside should have in our camp kitchen?
Yeah. I think everyone should have, a Japanese Mandolin. They're not expensive. They're like 30 bucks. You can get 'em on Amazon. Watch your fingers cuz they're sharp. But like, it just is a game changer, especially when you're not in the home kitchen. If you're doing some outdoor cooking, then you can slice a slice, a cucumber or carrot, whatever, like within seconds. Okay. And it just adds to being able to work quicker and more efficiently when, you know, chopping onions or shallots or things like that.
As we wrap up, is there anything else you'd like to say to our listeners?
I'm just really stoked to be here talking to you about what I'm doing and if anyone's interested in doing a fun adventure and has a passion for fishing and fine food and great company to look us up and check out what we're doing. The website is Travel Creel Hospitality
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Are you hungry for adventure and connection? Listen in to this replay of Episode 372 of of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast featuring former pro snowboarder and Saturday's co-founder Josh Rosen. As host of Huckberry’s recently launched series DIRT, Josh shares how the show reconnects and inspires viewers to explore the world of adventure, the outdoors, and cooking in the wild, their backyards, and homes. Facebook Twitter Instagram The Outdoor Biz Podcast Love the show? Subscribe, rate, review, and share! Sign up for my Newsletter HERE. I'd love to hear your feedback about the show! You can contact me here: email: [email protected] Show Notes:
How'd you get connected with Huckberry?
Yeah, it's been a really lovely, Experience with Huckberry.
Initially, we worked on a project where, Kate West, who's the content director over at Huckberry, reached out to me cuz she had been in New York when I was there and worked for a nonprofit, bringing kids out. To the beach to surf and up into the mountains to snowboard from the inner city, which was really cool.
And we helped out with that and, in any capacity we could, at Saturdays. And she had moved on and started working in Huckberry and asked if I was interested in doing, it's, they sell a really amazing, product called the, 72-hour shirt. Oh yeah. Which is this, it's. All the bells and whistles, antimicrobials, sweat, wicking, all that great stuff.
But you're gonna essentially wear it and do anything you want for a couple of days, without a wash. So it's a great shirt to camp with and literally anything you're getting into.
So before we get to the show, tell us about your cooking chat. Yeah, sure. Is that why you're there?
it's interesting because the show always starts with meeting a chef, okay? And the chef always asks or has, so far, are you a chef? Okay. And my answer and the first time I was asked that my response was, No. I'm just a cooking enthusiast. I'm a food enthusiast.
So how did the idea for dirt come to life?
So Kate West came to Seattle to do this article for Huckberry with me about wearing the shirt. And we went out for 72 hours. It's the 72-hour shirt. And so that's the deal. It's like a, what can you do with this shirt in 72 hours? And I loved that task because I have always love to see how many activities I can accomplish in a day, so they came out and we went out to one of the San Juan Islands, which is our little chain of islands out here in the sound, beautiful spot.
And it's a special place for sure. . , absolutely gorgeous. And we just, we went nuts. We did, the list is long, but we had these amazing couple of days, and somewhere in, in that time I posed to Kate that I had this idea for a food adventure show where essentially we do what we do on dirt, which is that we go to a place we meet with a chef, or the initial idea could also have been like a, somebody who's very connected to food in that city. And we got some information and that kind of set us off on our journey.
How is this show different than other adventure travel shows?
I think it's interesting. It's like until you work in a, you don't really look at that space that deeply, and after working in this space over the last year and l going around and looking at other adventured shows or on, things like YouTube catching cooks or food, food adventure pieces. It just feels. A lot of those shows and, nothing against them. There are some really great ones out there. We're really about the chef or the host.
So what goes into deciding where to go? Is it driven by the food sources, the sustainability?
It's a great question and I think we started in Seattle with no real distinct plan of where we were gonna go next because it was the trial episode and it was I think it was meeting with the people around, in that first episode in Seattle or at Washington State that we realized we can go anywhere. It was really liberating, right? Because initially maybe you gotta go to these really important big cities or, it was, we, there was a lot of discussions, but really it's we can go anywhere.
We have and we've gone to New York cities, this last one, but we were in Minneapolis, and then we were in New Orleans and then, you know, there's. , there are amazing things happening everywhere. Yeah. It's just about going and looking and so we I think for us, a balance of places that are very obvious, like a New York City mixed with places like Minneapolis that are not necessarily places you like first on your list to visit.
If you have a weekend off then of course like it's important that the product that Huckberry. is selling in the season. I'm very connected to that.
So you don't actually work at Huckberry, but tell me about the brand. Was your perception of it beforehand and after you started working on the show? Did it change?
It was a great beginning to it because I told you, I, I worked with on. Photoshoot with about the 72-hour shirt. I've always been very employee-focused. With my company. I think that the people that you have if they are, and you, I'm sure you experience this, if you go into a place where the employees are not treated well or Oh, yeah. Not respected or not supported.
You just feel it immediately, you can smell it. And then you have these places where you can see that these people are respected and are paid appropriately and all of this. Right off the bat with Huckberry cuz there was a photographer and the producer and these people were on the shoot.
You just sensed that this is a place where people are respected. And it felt very similar to Saturdays in that everybody felt like it was a common goal to deliver something that we're interested in.
I don't work directly for Huckberry. I'm just doing this project for them, but I feel like part of that family and that’s important to how I work in the world. Like any project that I do, I feel like it's really important that we're all passionately pushing a cool goal, and that's outdoors, right?
So can you share anything with us about projects in the pipeline?
So we are headed off, I'll say this, we are leaving the country. Which is really exciting. And I'll leave it at that.
How did your outdoor lifestyle begin?
I was born and raised, in Seattle to two very different parents in terms of the outdoor lifestyle.
My mom is from Oregon, lived in a van, and was a river guide on the Salmon River. And then met my dad who is New York City born and raised. Moved as far away from New York City as he possibly could and stayed in the Continental US. I think he used a piece of string to see which one San Francisco or Seattle was further cuz he hated it.
And this is the sixties, right? And he wanted to just be outdoors. He had this kind of romantic vision of the outdoors. And he assumed, Seattle would potentially have all the things he had seen in magazines, I believe. And he got out here and he had no practical experience with the outdoors at all.
So tell us about your snowboarding career. Obviously, skiing led to snowboarding, and then you became a pro right?
Yeah. So I skied it's interesting cuz I got to a certain place in skiing and then you either go, in my time you were into racing or you went into like mobile skiing or freestyle. There wasn't a big free ski community. And I watched snowboarding come up and it was all free ski. It was like the initial, original free ski. Like they just went everywhere, there were no rules. And I was a skateboarder so that energy, just like I knew it, right? I was like holding onto skiing cause I had done it for so many years, but I was like, that, there's something about that. And then it just looks more, it just felt more like skateboarding, like you were a rebel too. And 13-year-old little guy wants to be a rebel and explore that side of himself. So the middle school I was in had a ski bus and there were some, the cool kids were snowboarding and I was like, all right, I'm gonna try it.
I went to a special high school where I only had to go once a week so that I could so I could take snowboarding as a job. And I started actually snowboarding professionally when I was in High School.
And then you co-founded the surf-inspired brand Saturdays. What was your role there?
So I moved out to New York. My dad's family was in New York City and so my entire life I visited and knew from a very young age that I wanted to be a part of New York City at some point in my life.
And the second snowboarding ended and I realized that was probably a good time to make the shift in New York City I worked in fashion for six or seven years and different components of it, trying to find my space.
What'd you do there?
So I've always been interested in fashion since I was a young kid and living in Seattle, then, and to some degree now it's just not a very fashion-centric place.
It's a land of waterproof clothing and comfortable clothing. And that doesn't lend itself generally to cutting-edge fashion. So going to New York was just eye-opening and there was something about the way people dressed and their independence, the styles they would create for themselves that were just so uniquely them, but somehow looked right.
And when my buddies came to me discussing this idea for a surf shop, I thought maybe that'd be it, right?
So we'd opened the surf shop and then maybe we could design our own. And it was this great experience, the classic New York experience where we came together, we found a little spot in Soho. And this is 2009 in a recession., which is actually a really great time to open something new and unique and I'll explain why.
We were able to find a location very inexpensively cuz a lot of stuff was closing down and because we were so unique to that landscape, we garnered a lot of attention from the press because we were just an interesting thing, without any marketing dollars, does, marketing dollars had pretty much dried up around the city, and we were just filler for these magazines. They're like, oh, three guys opened a surf shop in Manhattan. It was all you needed for attention.
So why did you leave?
I lived at that point in New York after 10 years with Saturdays and then six years of being in New York before that for,15, 16 years and being a kid from the mountains and very connected to that there was a longing that I couldn't block outta my mind anymore. And I just had to come home and be back in my cozy space.
Do you have any advice or suggestions for folks that might want to get into the adventure biz or outdoor biz?
I think for me it was, it has just always been curiosity, right? And exploration and with the surf shops I have lots of young employees who are, starting their careers as whatever, the beginnings of whatever they would be. And I've had that question come from young people and my answer to them was to find the space you want to be in, and then experience as many pieces of that as you can, because it really takes doing a lot of stuff to figure out exactly. What suits you?
Do you have a favorite piece of outdoor gear that's under a hundred dollars that you always have with you?
I love that question. I discovered I mean, I've been fishing my whole life and I discovered this last summer I've seen them in the landscape, but it’s this Tenkara fishing rod.
It’s just a totally different thing. It breaks down into this tiny thing and you can whip it out. And it's this beautiful, its own unique cast. But anyway I had a ton of fun with that and I keep that in my pack.
Do you have any favorite books?
Yeah. I do love to read. I feel like I'm very similar to a lot of people lately where I listen to a lot of stuff.
I grew up surrounded by books and I read a lot as a young person, but I tend to listen to a lot of stuff. But I have been trying to buy Paper books of late. My most recent book I bought was that it was a, it's a translation of the Tao Te Ching by Steven Mitchell. Someone had of course posted an image of one of the pages of the book, and it just landed on me because the Tao Te Ching is just that sort of thing where you could pretty much open it to any page and it's just, it was written 4,000 years ago or something, but it is so wise it still hits you in the side of the head, right?
As we wrap up, is there anything else you'd like to say to our listeners or ask of our listeners?
I'd love it if you go watch the show. One cool thing that the world we live in now, if you have any insight into what you liked, what you didn't, or what you can always comment on the bottom and it's encouraged and That's about it.
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Today, we’re talking with Nancy De Losa from AQTO Cycling Tours in Italy. For AQTO, the magic of riding in Italy is all about the challenge and reward. You get testing yourself on Italy’s most exhilarating climbs and descents while immersing yourself in authentic Italian hospitality.
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What Happened:
We didn’t mean to start a cycling tour business in Italy. No, really.
It all started with a blog post.
Damien rode a legendary vintage bike ride in Tuscany, blogged about it for his cycling apparel brand, and boom—emails started rolling in: “Do you run tours?” Cue the two of us looking at each other with raised eyebrows and saying, “...Maybe we do?”
One spontaneous road trip, a few door knocks, and a hotel booking later—AQTO Cycling Tours was born.
Here’s the kicker: I’m not a cyclist. Not even close. I married one. I live with one. But cycling? Doesn’t sing to my soul. Yoga and red wine, yes. Lycra and bike grease? Not so much.
So I created something for the others like me—the non-cycling partners, the half-riders, the aspiring adventurers who want the Italian magic without the saddle sores. From curated cooking classes to 3,000-year-old olive trees, that little side program became a unique (and very loved) part of our brand.
Principle:
Just because you're not the “typical” expert in the room doesn’t mean you don’t belong in the business.
In fact, your “different lens” might be the very thing that makes the experience more complete, more inclusive, and more memorable for everyone involved.
Transition:
A lot of us think we need to be “all in” on something to make it work—like being a hardcore cyclist to lead cycling tours.
But the truth is, many adventure-based brands get stuck trying to serve only the enthusiasts. And in doing so, they forget about the partners, the dreamers, and the curious souls who crave the journey, just not the climbs.
That’s why so many businesses feel out of reach for the average person. They’re built on the assumption that only experts belong.
That’s Why:
That’s why this episode of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast exists—to show how Nancy and Damien built a boutique Italian adventure company that doesn't just cater to cyclists, but to humans who crave culture, community, and challenge.
Whether you ride or not, their approach is a masterclass in designing an inclusive, enriching experience that welcomes everyone at the table (and on the trail).
Call to Action:
Tired of feeling like adventures are only for “serious” athletes? It’s frustrating when travel feels like a test, not a treat. That’s why this episode is a must-listen—because there’s a different way to explore. One that fits you. [Listen here to episode 506 now]
Show Notes
What what advice would you give someone who's never done an international cycling tour before but wants to give it a shot?
I probably would say stop thinking about it and just do it.- Nancy De Losa
Do you have a favorite book?
Yes, it's called "Italian Joy" by Carla Olson.
Favorite piece of cycling gear
Q36.6 windshell
Follow up with Nancy: AQTO Cycling
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“Even if you don’t have the resources or time for a six-month trek, start where you are, with what you have. Every step outside is a step toward a life more fulfilled.”
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How stuffing food into trash bags and hiking in tennis shoes planted the seed for a life of adventure.
What Happened:
Growing up, my family loved our little camping trips, and on one of them, my brothers and I convinced our parents to let us hike part of the Appalachian Trail overnight. (Big mistake — at least for our muscles.)
We were wildly unprepared: sneakers from Kmart, trash bags over our shoulders instead of proper packs, and enough sore muscles to last a lifetime. I thought I was dying — but deep down, something lit up inside me.
Even though every bone in my body hurt (and we ate an entire cooler of food afterward like ravenous raccoons), that night planted a seed.
Over the years, I kept going back. Again and again. And that love for adventure grew into a walk across the entire Appalachian Trail… and eventually into fundraising hikes, family treks, bestselling books, and even TEDx talks.
Not bad for a kid with a trash bag and a dream, right?Principle:
Sometimes, the thing that feels the hardest at the beginning — the thing you think you're the worst at — is actually pointing straight at your biggest passion.
Adventure (and success) doesn’t start with the perfect gear, the perfect timing, or even knowing what you’re doing.
It starts by taking that messy, imperfect first step.
And when you lean into it — not run away because it’s hard — it can completely change your life.Transition:
Most people think they have to have it all figured out before they start — the perfect trail shoes, the best plan, the ideal conditions.
But waiting until you're "ready" is just another way of letting your dreams collect dust.
If you've been feeling stuck, thinking you can't "start until" you have everything lined up… you're holding yourself back from the adventure that could change everything.That’s why:
That’s why in this episode of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast, we sat down with Jeff Alt to dig deep into how those messy, unglamorous first steps can transform into a life filled with meaning, impact, and unforgettable stories.
You’ll hear how Jeff turned a painful first hike into a movement, and why you don’t need perfect gear, perfect conditions, or perfect timing to build an extraordinary adventure life.Call to Action (PAS framework in one sentence):
If you’re tired of feeling stuck, waiting for the “right” time to start your dream adventure (pain), and you’re sick of watching opportunities pass you by while you hesitate (agitate), listen to this episode now and discover why the imperfect first step is the one that matters most (solution).Show Notes
If you could give one piece of advice to someone who's hesitant to get started, whether it's solo hiking or taking their family on hikes, long distance treks, what would you tell 'em?
Partner up with somebody who's done it. Or, if you've never been hiking you know, there, there's lots of outdoor clubs online clubs and they're, they're based in every city USA. Join that group, go to that talk at the outfitter. You know, a lot of your fears will be overcome just by hearing. "Oh. That's how you do that. Oh, you have to filter the water before you drink it."
And then if you're still like, I'm afraid to do this alone. Well, they say you shouldn't. Technically, go out backpacking alone anyway, right? So Go with a seasoned person for a night or two and mm-hmm.
And learn the basics before you head off with your own family.
Do you have a favorite book?
Yes. Peter Jenkins, a Walk Across America
What about your favorite piece of outdoor gear? Under a hundred dollars?
Sea to Summit Air pillow.
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Norie brings decades of experience from her roles at National Geographic Traveler and as a contributor to National Geographic. She shares fascinating insights into adventure storytelling, the evolving landscape of tourism, and the powerful shift toward regenerative travel.
Subject: What a Red Puffy Jacket, a Black Lab, and the Tetons Taught Me About Adventure
I discovered the magic of nature—only after realizing my feet were literally black with dirt.
- Norie Quitos
What Happened:
If you told 12-year-old me that one day I’d be preaching the gospel of nature and conservation on a podcast, she would’ve laughed in your face while clutching her Lisa Frank diary.Back then, I was a hardcore indoors kid. My travel dreams were less “hike the Andes” and more “sip coffee outside a museum in Paris.” Nature? Great in theory. From a safe, clean, bathroom-accessible distance.
But life had other plans. Specifically, two kids and a deep desire for them to experience something I hadn’t: the outdoors.
Our first trip? My sister’s backyard. Borrowed tent. Questionable gear. But hey—we survived. That spiraled into state park weekends, and eventually, a full-on wagon adventure at the foot of the Tetons. Cue canvas tents, no showers, and yes—leeches.
I was not okay. My soles were blacker than a burnt marshmallow, and I seriously questioned my life choices… until someone said, “It’s dirt, but it’s not dirty.” Mind. Blown.
That moment changed everything.
Principle:
Adventure doesn’t require a plane ticket or a trust fund. It’s not always epic views and adrenaline rushes. Sometimes, it’s dirt, discomfort, and doing something that stretches you just enough to see the world—and yourself—a little differently.That shift in perspective? That’s where the real story begins. It’s not just about going places. It’s about who you become because you did.
Transition:
But here’s the thing… Most of us still think “adventure” only counts if it looks like a Patagonia ad. We think our stories aren’t worth telling unless they involve wild landscapes or bucket list bragging rights.The problem? That belief keeps so many of us from starting. From exploring our own backyards. From seeing travel as a tool for transformation—not just content creation.
That’s Why:
That’s why this episode with Nori Quintos hit home. Because it’s not just about where you go—it’s about how you go. Nori’s journey from suburban indoor kid to global storyteller proves that the adventure industry isn’t just changing—it’s opening up.She shares how regenerative travel is replacing tourism-as-usual, and why women over 50 are redefining what solo travel—and real power—looks like.
Call to Action:
Feeling stuck thinking your next adventure needs to be “epic” or expensive? That mindset’s the real roadblock. Break free with Nori’s story—because once you hear it, you’ll realize the best journeys don’t start with gear… they start with grit.Show Notes
Adventure Travel Trade Association
Adventure Travel Conservation Fund
Eagle Creek
Toad & Co
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Today on episode 503 Jess Nepstad from Bru Trek joins me on The Show. Jess’s LinkedIn profile leads with 'Positively impact people every day!' He says they have a great little company in Bonner, MT - with a team of wonderful people who all enjoy life, the outdoors, work, and friends.
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What Happened:
When I was a kid, the phrase “adventure ready” meant slapping a chili can into a backpack and pedaling 20 miles with your best friend and no helmet. Jess Nesad’s story took me right back. He and his buddy Mark did just that—bikes, backpacks, a plan (sort of), and zero water bottles. They made it to Luckock Park, camped under the stars, hiked to waterfalls, and sipped stream water like champions.
It was rugged. It was real. And today? Jess is still chasing that kind of magic—but with a serious upgrade in gear and a lot more hydration.
Fast forward a few decades, and he’s the founder of BruTrek, building over-engineered outdoor coffee gear that could survive a bear attack. (Okay, slight exaggeration—but seriously, this stuff is tough.)
Principle:
The gear you carry reflects how you show up in your adventures—and your business. Cheap tools, whether it’s instant coffee or uninspired branding, leave you flat. But when your tools are built for adventure—when they’re rugged, intentional, and actually designed for how you live—everything changes.
Transition:
Most outdoor brands talk a big game. But few are built by people who’ve lived it from both sides: the free-range childhood adventures and the boardroom branding meetings. If you’re tired of gear that breaks, branding that feels disconnected, or a business that doesn’t feel like you, there’s a reason for that.
That’s why…
That’s why this episode hits different. Jess bridges the gap between old-school outdoor grit and the next-gen mindset of thoughtful design, loyal community, and brand storytelling that actually means something. This episode isn’t just about coffee—it’s about creating a lifestyle that works as hard as you do.
Call to Action:
Still sipping cowboy coffee and calling it good? You deserve better.
Don’t let bad gear (or bad branding) hold you back from the adventures you dream of.
Listen to this episode and find out how to blend grit, growth, and a damn good cup of coffee into your brand.Show Notes
Favorite piece of gear
Neck Gators
Favorite Bru Trek Gear: Steel Toe
Favorite Book/ Authors
Book: John Irving
Authors:
Thomas McGuane
Russell Rowland
A B Gruthery
Contact Jess
Email:
Facebook
Instagram
LinkedIn
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Welcome back to the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast, This week I’m joined by Triple Crown Hiker Carey Kish. A tireless hiker, outdoor and travel writer, Registered Maine Guide, and self-proclaimed certified fun-meister. Carey’s the author of Beer Hiking New England and a longtime columnist whose stories have inspired outdoor lovers across Maine and beyond for over two decades. We dig into trails, tales, and yes . . . a few cold brews along the way.
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What Happened:
I’ll be honest—before I ever hiked a long trail, I thought “grizzly country” was just a phrase thrown around to add spice to trail stories. Dramatic? Sure. But let me tell you, when you're deep in the Bob Marshall Wilderness, carrying bear spray for the first time, sleeping in wild country with bear scat nearby, you start to feel what it means to not be top of the food chain.And no, I didn’t see a grizzly. But they saw me. I know they saw me.
But even wilder than the bears was the realization that after three long trails—Appalachian Trail, PCT, and CDT—I’d done it. Triple Crown, baby. I didn’t even set out to do it. It just happened. One trail became two, and then I thought, “What the hell, might as well do the third.”
It was grueling, wild, hilarious (beer man, reporting for duty), and full of more characters than a Quentin Tarantino film. But that finish at the Canadian border? That was everything.
Principle:
Here’s the truth: You don’t need to have the perfect plan. You don’t need to start with all the gear dialed. You sure as heck don’t need to wait for the right time. The only thing that really matters? That you go. Just start. One step. Then another.Adventures don’t require perfection. They just need momentum.
Transition:
The problem is, most people let logistics, fear, or lack of a clear roadmap stop them from ever taking the first step. They think they need a six-month sabbatical, the latest gear, or some magical trail wisdom passed down by a bearded sage.They don’t.
What they really need is someone who’s been there—who’s faced the bears (literal and metaphorical), hit the wall, and kept going.
That’s why…
That’s why I brought Carrie Kish on the podcast. Because she’s been through the highs and the lows—blisters, burnout, bourbon nights in the tent—and came out the other side with stories that prove you can do this. She’s not just a hiker; she’s a storyteller, a guide, and someone who’s figured out how to keep putting one foot in front of the other, no matter what.Call to Action:
If you’ve been dreaming of a big trail adventure but keep getting stuck in the planning—or worse, in the fear—this episode is your wake-up call. Stop waiting for perfect. Listen in now and discover how Carrie turned wild hikes and cold beers into a life well-lived (and how you can too).🎧 Listen to the latest episode of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast now. Your trail starts here.
Show Notes:
Favorite piece of gear
Puffy jacket from LL Bean
Favorite Authors
GearColin Fletcher
John Krakauer
Chris Bonnington
The travel works of Mary Morris
Contact Carey
Email: [email protected]
Facebook
Instagram
LinkedIn
Books
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Welcome to the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast. Today, on episode 501, Earl B. Hunter, Jr. from Black Folks Camp To make a second visit to The Show.
is the Founder and President of Black Folks Camp Too — a marketing-driven business whose mission is to increase diversity in the outdoor industry by making it easier, more interesting, and more fun for Folks to go camping.
He's an experienced business leader across multiple industries. He has been widely recognized for his ebullient personality, hard work ethic, and non-traditional approach to building relationships and closing deals.
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What Happened:
It was the summer of 2017. I was clocking miles like a long-haul trucker, repping campers for a living. My 7-year-old son called me out—said I’d promised to take him to Mount Rushmore. He was right. I’d driven past it more times than I could count, but I’d never stopped. So we hit the road.
We camped our way across the country, father and son, a Black duo in a tiny pop-up trailer, parking it beside some seriously decked-out RV setups. We saw the sights, roasted marshmallows, and somewhere near Albuquerque, we spotted something we hadn’t seen in thousands of miles: another Black family camping. My son lit up and said, “Hey Daddy! Black people!”
That moment stuck. We talked to the family—Kimberly and crew—and she said something that flipped a switch in my brain: “Why don’t you change that then?” That “why not you?” hit hard. By the time we were driving up the California coast, the name Black Folks Camp Too was born.
Principle:
Too often, we wait for permission—permission to belong, to show up, to start something meaningful. But sometimes, it takes seeing the gap with your own eyes, feeling the silence in certain spaces, to realize: you’re the one who’s supposed to fill it.
And in business, just like in the outdoors, if you’re only serving the same people the same way… you’re gonna miss the fire. The campfire, that is.
Transition:
Most people think getting more folks into the outdoors is about better gear or cool photos on Instagram. But that’s not it. The real challenge is the invitation—and the welcome. And too many companies still don’t know why the diversity gap exists, so they don’t know how to fix it.
That’s why a lot of businesses are struggling. Not because there’s no market—but because they don’t see who they’re ignoring. And even when they do? They get hung up on the word Black in the name… instead of focusing on the unity behind the mission.
That’s why:
That’s why this episode matters. Earl Hunter isn’t just talking about camping—he’s talking about culture, connection, and cracking open an industry that’s been too exclusive for too long. He’s not asking for handouts or kumbayas. He’s showing up with data, vision, and a real plan to shift the outdoor industry before it goes broke.
Call to Action (PAS style):
If you’ve ever felt like the outdoor world wasn’t built for you—or your brand’s been stuck serving the same crowd—it’s time to tune in. Ignoring the invitation problem won’t fix it. But this episode will give you a fresh lens and a fire to take action.
👉 Hit play now. Let’s change the campfire conversation.
Show Notes:
Earl B. Hunter Jr.
Black Folks Camp Too
Oboz Insoles
Sylvansport
Georgia Military College
Appalachian State University
Earl's Trail name: Icebreaker
Mount Rushmore
Unity Blaze
Favorite piece of outdoor gear: OBOZ Insoles
Favorite book: The Billion Dollar Bet, Bob Johnson
Advice: the first advice I would give folks is, is to go to our unity, go to black folks camp too, and go to our Unity blaze map and find campgrounds that are on our map that are actually there. Those folks are truly invited and welcoming you to camp at their campground.
I would also say to know before you go. Do as much research as you can. You have these devices now, and you have so many YouTube channels and things of that nature to learn about camping.
Follow up with Earl: [email protected]
Black Folks Camp Too
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Welcome Episode 500 of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast . . . Today I’m joined by Lindsay Cousley — a seasoned executive leader with deep roots in the outdoor, sporting goods, and wellness industries. He’s helped build and scale global brands with heart, empathy, and a whole lot of strategic know-how. Outside the boardroom, Lindsay surfs, cycles, backpacks, hikes, and even plays rugby — living proof that adventure fuels leadership.
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Lindsay Cousley
Linkedin
What Backpacking the Alps at 14 Taught Me About Building Global Brands What Happened:When I was 14, I wasn’t reading business books or plotting a career. I was deep in the Alps, sweating under a too-heavy pack, trying not to get left behind by a youth leader named Paul who thought “rest day” was code for “hike faster.” We carried everything on our backs, got lost a few times (intentionally or not, I still wonder), and somehow made it from France to Italy and back through Switzerland. It was magic.
But here’s the kicker—I didn’t know it then, but that summer was shaping how I’d lead teams, sell products, and build brands.
Fast forward a few decades, and I’m sitting in a boardroom, helping turn around an outdoor company. It’s go time. No time for perfect plans, just the instinct to act, adapt, and trust the people around you. Sound familiar? That’s wilderness training 101.
Principle:Adventure doesn’t just happen in the mountains. It shows up in every tough decision, every product pitch, and every “what now?” moment in business. The most successful leaders in the outdoor space don’t wait for permission—they act, they adapt, and most importantly, they care. Passion for the outdoors isn't a cute brand trait—it's the fuel that drives resilient leadership.
Transition:Too many folks think a successful outdoor career comes from the right resume or the right LinkedIn connections. But what’s really holding them back isn’t lack of experience—it’s a lack of direction. They’re stuck waiting to be “qualified,” not realizing that leadership often comes from showing up, not showing off.
That’s Why:That’s why this episode is a must-listen. Lindsay Cousley doesn’t just talk outdoor—he’s lived it. From hauling gear across Europe as a teen to reviving struggling companies in the U.S., his journey is a masterclass in how passion, people, and a little grit can fuel leadership at any level.
Call to Action:Still feeling like you’re stuck watching others make moves in the outdoor space while you spin your wheels? That "meh" feeling about your impact isn't just in your head—it’s a sign you need a new approach. Let Lindsay's story show you what’s possible when you blend passion with purpose.
🎧 Tune in to the episode now and start crafting your own adventure-fueled leadership story.#Adventure Travel, #Outdoor Industry, #Brand Building, #Specialty Retail, #Consumer Goods, #Cannabis Industry, #Business Strategy, #Digital Marketing, #Geotargeted Campaigns, #Direct to Consumer Sales, #Team Leadership, #Innovation, #New York Business, #Trade Shows
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Welcome to episode 499 of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast. Today, I'm talking with Casey Hanisko. Casey is a distinguished leader in adventure travel. She's the former President of the Adventure Travel Trade Association and an executive coach helping tourism leaders navigate change. Recognized among the "50 Most Important Women in Travel," she shares her expertise through media, speaking engagements, and her "Leading Naturally" newsletter.
Show Notes
Casey Hanisko
Linkedin
Guest Focus
Instagram
Adventure Travel Trade Association
The Leap That Terrified Me More Than Any Business Decision (And What It Taught Me About Leadership) Ever stood at the edge of something terrifying—knowing the only way forward is to leap, but every cell in your body is screaming, Nope? That was me on a canyon swing in Interlaken. Spoiler: I needed a push. You think making high-stakes decisions in business is tough? Try standing on the edge of a 300-foot drop, debating whether plummeting into the abyss is a good idea. There’s a moment in adventure—and in leadership—where hesitation creeps in. Your palms sweat. Your mind races. And sometimes, you need someone to give you that push. What Happened:I’d like to think I’m pretty fearless. I’ve hiked, biked, and paddled my way through some of the world’s most stunning (and challenging) landscapes. But nothing—not rock climbing, not waterfall jumping, not even running a business—prepared me for the sheer terror of standing on the edge of a canyon swing in Interlaken.
Picture this: I’m perched on the platform, strapped in, heart pounding. My entire executive team—yes, the people I work with—are watching. The guy running the swing looks at me and asks, “Need a push?”
ABSOLUTELY NOT!
I sit there for two full minutes, locked in a battle with my own fear. Every rational thought in my brain says, Just do it. But my body? Oh, my body says, Are you out of your mind?!
Then, the guy places a hand on my back. Just enough pressure to remind me: I either take the leap myself, or I’m going anyway.
And that was it. I went. Terrified. Screaming. And, once I hit the swing… laughing.
Principle:That moment on the canyon swing? It’s leadership in a nutshell.
Leadership requires courage. Sometimes, you’re at the edge of a big decision, knowing you need to move—but fear holds you back. Sometimes, you need support. That guiding hand (or well-placed nudge) from someone who sees your potential, even when you doubt yourself. And often, the thing you dread most? Ends up being the most exhilarating experience of your life.Whether it’s taking the leap into a leadership role, starting that business, or stepping into unknown territory—you’re going to feel fear. That’s normal. The key is to recognize it, hold it, and move forward anyway.
Transition:The problem is, most people let fear stop them. They overthink. They hesitate. They tell themselves they need more time, more preparation, more certainty.
But here’s the truth: the perfect moment? It doesn’t exist.
Too many outdoor entrepreneurs and leaders stall out waiting for the “right time” to make their next move—whether that’s scaling a business, stepping into leadership, or launching that dream trip.
That’s Why:That’s why, in this episode of The Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast, I sat down with Casey Esco—executive coach, adventure leader, and all-around expert on navigating uncertainty in business and the outdoors.
She shares exactly how adventure can teach us to embrace risk, push through hesitation, and build the courage to lead (even when you’re scared out of your mind).
Call to Action:If fear has ever held you back from making a move—whether in your career, your business, or even your next adventure—you need to hear this episode.
Because courage isn’t about being fearless. It’s about taking the leap anyway.
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In this episode of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast, we dive into upland bird hunting with Edgar Castillo—hunter, writer, and retired law enforcement officer. Edgar shares his unique background, how a neighbor introduced him and his father to hunting, and what led him to dedicate his outdoor life to chasing birds. We explore his favorite upland hunting destinations, the gear he never leaves behind, and his journey into outdoor writing. Plus, we discuss the critical role of public lands and conservation in keeping these adventures alive for future generations. Get ready for an inspiring and adventure-filled conversation with Edgar Castillo!
Show NotesHuntsbirdz
Kansas Bird Hunting
United States Marine Corps
What Happened:"When I first moved to the U.S. from Guatemala, hunting wasn’t even a concept in my world. My family didn’t do it. My dad didn’t do it. It just wasn’t a thing. But then our neighbor, Tom, took my dad under his wing and introduced him to the world of hunting—first waterfowl, then upland game.
I, of course, tagged along, eager to be part of whatever my dad was doing. Everything was going great until one fateful day when Tom handed my dad some venison. My dad took one bite… and got violently sick. Not once, not twice, but every time he ate deer meat. Turns out, he was allergic to venison.
That was it—deer hunting was officially off the table for our family. My dad stuck to birds, and so did I.
Looking back, I could’ve ventured into hunting big game on my own. But I know myself—I go all in when I commit to something. If I started deer hunting, I’d be up to my ears in gear, obsessively tracking seasons and probably planning elk hunts across the country. So, I made a choice: stick to what I love, where the adventure is just as thrilling, and where I don’t have to explain to my wife why I need a new deep freezer."
Principle:Sometimes, the best decisions come from knowing your limits. It’s easy to get caught up in the idea of doing everything—whether it’s hunting, business, or life in general. But true mastery (and real joy) comes from focusing on what you truly love and getting really, really good at it.
Transition:Too many people try to do it all. They think more = better, whether it’s hunting, hobbies, or even running a business. But that’s not always the case. The reality? Spreading yourself too thin often means never truly excelling at anything.
That’s Why:That’s why, in this episode of The Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast, I sat down with Edgar Castillo to talk about how he found his niche in upland hunting, why he never strayed into big game, and how his passion for storytelling and conservation led him to an unexpected writing career. If you’ve ever struggled with choosing your lane—or wondered how to make the most of the one you’re in—you’ll love this conversation.
Call to Action:If you’ve ever felt like you’re chasing too many things at once, this episode is for you. Learn how to find joy, adventure, and mastery in one passion—and how focusing can actually open up even bigger opportunities. Listen now to our latest episode here:
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Legendary Leo Lebon, hailed as the grandfather of adventure travel. Leo shares his incredible journey from humble beginnings in Belgium to co-founding the ground-breaking California-based company, MT Sobek, which helped launch the adventure travel industry.
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Leo Le Bon
Wanderlust Consulting
MT Sobek
Thomas Cook's
Sierra Club
Colonel James Roberts, Mountain Travel Nepal
Gurkha officer
Alan Steck
Richard Bangs
Mountain Lodges of Peru
What Happened:Picture this: You’re young, your life’s in flux, and your mom casually suggests, “Why don’t you go visit my cousin in New York?”—a cousin you didn’t even know existed. That’s exactly how Leo Le Bon’s adventure began.
Fast forward a few months, and he’s driving a stranger’s car across America just to get his $50 deposit back. (Gas was 25 cents a gallon back then—can you imagine?)
One thing led to another. A chance meeting. A hiking trip. A casual chat with a fellow climber who just happened to have connections in Nepal. And before he knew it, Leo wasn’t just exploring—he was pioneering an entire industry.
There were no guidebooks. No established trails. No GPS. Just a wild dream and a whole lot of figuring-it-out-as-you-go.
And that’s how adventure travel as we know it was born.
Principle:The biggest adventures don’t start with a perfect plan—they start with a yes.
Leo didn’t wait until he had everything figured out. He said yes to a cross-country road trip. Yes to a new job. Yes to a trek in Nepal before most people even knew where Nepal was.
The truth? Most people sit around waiting for the “right time” to go after something big—whether it’s an adventure, a new business, or a major life shift. But adventure (and success) doesn’t work that way. You don’t need certainty. You need a willingness to start.
Transition:Too many people get stuck waiting for the stars to align before they chase their dreams. They tell themselves:
🚧 I need more time.
🚧 I need more money.
🚧 I need to be more prepared.But the pioneers—the ones who really make things happen—don’t wait. They jump in. They make moves. They let the journey unfold.
If you’ve ever felt stuck—like you’re standing on the edge of something big but hesitating to take that first step—this episode is for you.
That’s Why:That’s why, in this episode, we’re diving deep with Leo Le Bon, the godfather of adventure travel, to uncover:
✅ How a single trekking trip changed everything
✅ Why adventure travel exploded in the U.S. (and how it almost didn’t happen)
✅ The mindset shift you need to stop hesitating and start movingYou don’t need to be climbing Everest to get value from this conversation. Whether you’re looking to shake up your life, career, or next big trip—this episode will give you the push you need.
Call to Action:If you’re tired of waiting for the “perfect time” and ready to start your own adventure—this is your sign.
🔊 Listen to Episode 497 now and learn how to stop waiting, start moving, and create the kind of life you’d actually write a book about.
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#Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast, #Rick Saez, #Leo Le Bon, #adventure travel, #Mount Sobek, #trekking, #Nepal, #foot safaris, #Kenya, #adventure destinations, #Tibet, #China, #Chile, #Peru, #Greenland, #hiking, #climbing, #kayaking, #skiing, #travel stories, #Sierra Club, #Thomas Cook, #Mountain Travel, #Mount Everest, #Everest Base Camp, #adventure travel industry, #Wanderlust Consulting, #Machu Picchu, #South America, #tourism, #conservation
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Today on Episode 496 I'm talking with Mattias Jansson from the National Pilgrim Center in Trondheim, Norway. I recently had the opportunity to hike the Pilgrim Path along Olav's Way, and if you get the chance, do it. Not only is the walk beautiful, but the history is quite interesting as well.
Not only is the walk beautiful, but the history is quite interesting as well.
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What HappenedI’ve done my fair share of hiking. From the John Muir Trail to the PCT, I thought I had a pretty solid handle on what makes an adventure worthwhile. But then I found myself in Norway, walking the Pilgrim Path to Nidaros Cathedral, and something shifted.
It wasn’t just the landscapes—though, let me tell you, those were next level. One day, we were trekking through misty mountains. The next, we were passing through sleepy villages, exchanging nods with locals who’ve seen hikers like us for centuries.
And then there was that one wild day—the rain poured, the wind howled, and instead of hurrying through it, we stopped to make coffee by a quiet pond. No rush, no race, just being in the moment. That’s when it hit me: This wasn’t just a hike. It was something deeper. Something that had been calling to people for over a thousand years.
It made me wonder: Why do we chase adventure? What are we really searching for?
PrincipleHere’s the truth: Many people think adventure is about ticking off trails, collecting miles, or conquering nature. But the best adventures? They change you.
A pilgrimage isn’t just about getting from point A to B. It’s about stripping away the layers of everyday life—the distractions, the to-do lists, the noise—until all that’s left is you, the trail, and whatever you’re meant to discover along the way.
TransitionMany people don’t realize it, but they’re searching for more than just adventure. They’re searching for meaning. And yet, so many never find it—not because they’re not looking, but because they don’t know where to look.
And …
That’s Why…That’s why, in this episode of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast, we sat down with Mattias Jansson, a modern-day guide of these ancient trails. We talk about the Viking roots of the Pilgrim Path, the deep connection between adventure and self-discovery, and why people from all over the world are drawn to this experience today.
Call to ActionIf you’ve ever felt stuck—like your adventures aren’t quite scratching that itch anymore—this episode is for you. Because adventure isn’t just about new places. It’s about new perspectives.
🎧 Listen to the latest episode now and find out why people are trading their modern comforts for a walk through history.
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P.S. If you had to leave everything behind for a month and walk one trail, where would it be? Hit reply—I want to know.
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National Pilgrim Center in Trondheim, Norway
Olavs Way
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This week, on episode 495, I'm talking with Will Schafer, founder of Altisnooze. The First-of-its-kind sleep aid for high-altitude.
After struggling for years with sleeping during alpine adventures, Schafer came to learn from a sleep doctor that altitude insomnia is a thing. He connected with formulation experts to develop a natural solution, ALTISNOOZE.
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What Happened:For years, I chalked up my awful sleep in the mountains to bad luck. Every time I went to Summit County, Colorado, my nights were a mess—staring at the ceiling, waking up feeling like I’d been run over by a snowcat, and then trying to enjoy the outdoors while running on fumes.
I blamed it on travel, excitement, bad pillows—you name it. But then I started noticing something weird. Friends on ski trips and camping adventures were having the same problem. Some of them, tough-as-nails hikers and backcountry warriors, were walking around like zombies after a single night at altitude.
That’s when I met Dr. Michael Breus, a legit sleep doctor, who hit me with a truth bomb: altitude insomnia is real. And worse? It affects up to 75% of people. Your body’s struggling with low oxygen, which wrecks your sleep cycle, making it nearly impossible to rest.
So, I set out on a mission to fix it. After a deep dive into research, testing a ridiculous amount of natural ingredients, and countless sleepless nights (for science), I created Altisnooze—a sleep aid designed specifically for high-altitude adventures, without the grogginess of melatonin.
Principle:Bad sleep = bad adventure. Period.
You can have the best gear, the most epic trail planned, and a perfect sunrise waiting for you—but if you don’t sleep well, your trip is going to suck.
Most people don’t even realize altitude is the issue. They just assume they’re bad sleepers, or that their body needs to “adjust.” But waiting around for a week to acclimate? Not ideal when your trip is only a few days long.
Good sleep isn’t just about comfort—it’s about performance, recovery, and actually enjoying the adventure you planned.
Transition:A lot of outdoor lovers deal with this and don’t even realize what’s holding them back. They push through exhaustion, drink too much caffeine, or try to knock themselves out with melatonin—only to wake up feeling worse.
That’s exactly why I created Altasnooze. Because when you finally fix your sleep at altitude, everything changes—your energy, your performance, your mood, and most importantly, how much fun you have.
That’s Why:…we want to introduce you to Altisnooze and just dropped an episode of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast with Will Schaefer, founder of Altisnooze. He went from being a sleep-deprived mess in the mountains to developing a game-changing solution for adventurers who want to feel fabulous at altitude.
In this episode, we dive into the science of altitude insomnia, how it messes with your body, and what you can do to fix it—so your next high-altitude trip doesn’t turn into a sleepless disaster.
Call to Action:If you’ve ever struggled to sleep in the mountains, this episode is your wake-up call. (Pun intended.)
Don’t let altitude ruin your adventure—get the inside scoop on fixing your sleep at high elevation and feeling your best.
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This week on episode 494, I'm talking with Christian Beckwith, podcaster, founder, and executive director of the Teton Climbers Coalition. Christian has spent more than 30 years immersed in the world of alpinism.
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I’ve always thought I was tough—until I heard Christian Beckwith’s story about soldiers in the 10th Mountain Division lugging 90-pound rucksacks up snowy peaks. Yeah, you read that right. Ninety pounds. I complain when my backpack has an extra water bottle.
Christian didn’t just stumble on this story; he’s been living it. Picture this: a guy obsessed with climbing history starts digging into old summit registers (yes, that’s a thing), trying to understand why climbing activity flatlined during WWII. What he found wasn’t just a gap in the record—it was a portal into a hidden chapter of outdoor history.
Turns out, the 10th Mountain Division wasn’t just fighting battles overseas; they were rewriting the playbook for outdoor adventure. Their training? Skiing with ancient gear, battling blizzards, and carrying enough weight to break the spirit of any weekend warrior. And when they came home, they didn’t just hang up their skis—they built the ski resorts and outdoor culture we know today.
Here’s the kicker: The adventures we take for granted today—ski trips, alpine climbing, even the gear we use—exist because of people who pushed past the limits of what was comfortable, convenient, or even reasonable. Growth doesn’t come from playing it safe; it comes from leaning into discomfort, whether that’s a literal 90-pound pack or the metaphorical weight of trying something new.
Most people think adventure is about escaping comfort zones. But here’s the truth: It’s about what you bring back from the edge. If you’ve ever felt stuck—like your outdoor goals (or personal ones) are out of reach—it might be because you’re missing the bigger picture: the legacy of resilience that shaped the very trails you’re walking.
That’s why in this episode of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast, Christian Beckwith shares how the forgotten grit of the 10th Mountain Division still shapes our outdoor experiences today. Their story isn’t just history—it’s a lesson in how to live with purpose, courage, and maybe even a heavier backpack (metaphorically speaking… unless you’re into that).
Feeling like your outdoor adventures lack depth or connection? It’s not just you—most of us don’t realize the roots that ground our passions. Don’t let that disconnect hold you back. Discover the untold story behind your favorite outdoor spaces and find new inspiration for your own journey.
Listen to the full episode here and get ready to carry your own “90-pound rucksack” in life—with pride.Ninety Pound Rucksack Podcast
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Teton Climbers Coalition
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In episode 493 of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast, I'm talking with Haley Stuart, filmmaker, environmentalist, and whitewater instructor. Haley joins us to discuss her work protecting rivers, collaborating with communities across the Americas, and raising awareness about mega hydroelectric impacts. Her journey inspires meaningful action for lasting environmental change.
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What if I told you that rivers could teach us more about life than a self-help book ever could?
What Happened:When Haley Stewart first dipped her paddle into a river, she wasn’t chasing adrenaline—she was running headfirst into her fears. Growing up in suburban New York, she didn’t even know kayaking was a sport. It wasn’t until she attended a kayaking-focused high school (yes, those exist!) that she realized rivers weren’t just a setting for adventures—they were life itself, rushing and relentless, filled with twists, turns, and lessons.
At first, the sport terrified her. But over time, the pull of the water and the tight-knit community of paddlers won her over. What started as a hesitant curiosity turned into an unshakable passion. Traveling the world, Haley discovered the hard truth: many of the rivers she loved were under threat—from dams, mining, and neglect. She couldn’t sit by and watch them disappear.
That’s when everything changed.
She met indigenous communities who lived alongside these rivers, fighting daily battles to protect what had sustained them for generations. Haley realized something profound: saving rivers wasn’t just about ecology—it was about people, too. And through her work, she’s helping amplify their voices, blending storytelling, conservation, and sheer grit to make an impact.
Principle:The heart of Haley’s story? Real change starts when we listen. Listen to the rivers, the people who live near them, and the truth about what’s really happening in the world’s wildest places. Many of us dream of adventure, but few think about what happens when those landscapes are lost.
It’s not enough to explore the outdoors—we need to protect it.
Transition:Too often, we underestimate the power of our choices—what we support, what we fight for, or even where we decide to paddle. We think, "Someone else will handle it," or "What difference can I make?" But here’s the truth: you matter more than you think.
Haley’s work reminds us that our adventures and the decisions we make along the way can transform the fate of entire ecosystems and the communities they sustain.
That’s Why:That’s why this week’s episode of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast is a must-listen. Haley’s journey from nervous kayaker to river conservationist will inspire you to think differently about the waterways we all rely on—and how you can play a role in preserving them.
Call to Action:Are you ready to discover the adventure, responsibility, and heart that comes with loving rivers? Tune in to hear Haley’s story. Don’t just explore the outdoors—help protect it for the next generation.
Amazonian Rivers Initiative
Rios to Rivers
Tuichi River
Paddle Tribal Waters & Kayakimün
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The Women Behind Still River, Silent Jungle
TEDx talk by Hayley: Dammed if We Do: A Closer Look at the Dangers of Mega Hydro
Amazonian River Allies Bolivia (ARA Bolivia)
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Are you ready to discover the adventure, responsibility, and heart that comes with loving rivers? Tune in to hear Haley’s story. Don’t just explore the outdoors—help protect it for the next generation.
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In today's episode, we have an inspiring conversation with Guides and Podcasters Jose and Sebastian Camarlinghi. We dive into the world of mountaineering and filmmaking, exploring how their shared passion for the outdoors has shaped their lives and careers.
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Show NotesWhat Happens When a Mountain Guide and Filmmaker Team Up?
What Happened:Do you know those stories your dad tells—the ones you’ve heard a million times but somehow still pull you in? That’s how Voices de Montaña started. Growing up, I (Sebastian) was surrounded by tales of glaciers, daring rescues, and llamas trekking salt across Bolivia’s rugged terrain. My dad, José, a mountain guide with decades of experience, always had a story worth telling. But here’s the thing: these incredible moments were fading into the ether, known only to close friends and family.
One day, after kicking around ideas for documentaries that felt too logistically impossible, we realized there had to be another way to share these mountain memories. That’s when we decided: let’s start a podcast. Just two guys, a love for storytelling, and a small but passionate team.
And guess what? What started as an experiment to preserve these stories turned into a platform that captured the hearts of listeners across Latin America. From climbers to casual outdoor enthusiasts, people weren’t just listening—they were connecting with these tales of adventure, resilience, and passion.
Principle:Here’s the truth: stories aren’t just entertainment—they’re bridges. They connect people to places, to history, and to one another. In a world overwhelmed by noise, the power of authentic storytelling cuts through. Whether it’s the tale of a Bolivian climber turned hero in Pakistan or the rituals of llama caravans, these stories inspire and remind us why nature is worth exploring and protecting.
Transition:But here’s the thing: most of these stories might have been lost if we hadn’t taken that first step. It’s not easy carving out space in a niche that barely exists, but it’s even harder to stay silent when you know your story matters. If you’ve ever felt like you’re up against the impossible, whether it’s launching a creative project, exploring a new path, or simply trying to make your voice heard, you’re not alone.
That’s Why:That’s why we started Voices de Montaña. It’s not just about mountains or adventures—it’s about keeping stories alive and inspiring a community to dream bigger, climb higher, and value the world around them. And in our latest episode, we share the journey of a Bolivian guide who risked it all to bring a legend home.
If you’re ready to connect with stories that inspire and remind you what’s possible, Voices de Montaña is for you. Don’t let your dreams—or someone else’s story—fade into the background. Listen now and start your journey to the mountains here: [Insert Link].
Follow up: Voces de Montaña (Mountain Voices) YouTube Sebastian's company is called psychefilms.com Jose's tour operator company is called Over Andes Key Words #mountain guiding, #filmmaking, #Bolivia, #mountaineering, #podcast, #La Paz, #Andes, #Amazon jungle, #glacier, #mountain culture, #scriptwriting, #documentary, #National Geographic, #BBC, #Discovery Channel, #Bolivian guide, #K2, #Broad Peak, #storytelling, #outdoor adventure, #Argentine audience, #Chilean audience, #glaciology, #climate change, #Llama caravans, #kayaking, #journey -
Today on episode 491 I’m talking with Jennifer Kross and Emilie Hessinger from Ducks Unlimited. Brought to you this week by Ducks Unlimited. Jennifer is an education biologist with Ducks Unlimited in the Great Plains region. Emilie is a Cadet and Peer Leader for the North Dakota Waterfowl Brigade.
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Show Notes From Marching at Dawn to Dissecting Ducks—Here’s How One Camp Transformed My Love for Nature What Happened:Let me tell you about the camp experience I never knew I needed. It started with a lump of charcoal—literally. When I walked into the Rolling Plains Bobwhite Brigade camp, they handed me a bag with my name on it and a small chunk of coal inside. Then they told us, “Over the next five days, with heat and pressure, we’re going to turn you into diamonds.”
I laughed nervously and shot my mom a look that said, “What have you signed me up for?” Little did I know, this would be the week I’d learn how to dissect quail, march in unison, and develop leadership skills that would change the way I approach everything.
From the minute my mom left, it was non-stop action. We were learning about habitat conservation, public speaking, and even how to work as a team (spoiler: teamwork while balancing on giant skis is no joke). But the most rewarding part? Seeing how a diverse group of kids with nothing in common except a passion for wildlife came together.
One meal at a time, one group challenge at a time, we bonded. By the end of the week, we weren’t just cadets—we were a team. And yes, my group won the marching competition. Not to brag or anything.
Principle:What I learned at camp is something everyone should know: real change happens when we step out of our comfort zones. Whether it’s speaking up, connecting with others, or learning to be okay with being a little different, every step forward adds up. Conservation isn’t just about saving ducks or managing land—it’s about building a community of people who care enough to make a difference.
Transition:A lot of us dream about making an impact but feel like we don’t have the tools or confidence to do it. Whether it’s hesitating to volunteer, feeling too inexperienced, or not knowing where to start, those doubts can keep us stuck.
That’s why it’s so important to have spaces like the North Dakota Waterfowl Brigade camp—a place where you not only learn about conservation but also discover who you are in the process.
That’s Why:That’s why this week’s episode of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast dives deep into how programs like Ducks Unlimited and youth camps are shaping future conservation leaders. These aren’t just stories—they’re blueprints for how we can all contribute to preserving our natural world while growing ourselves.
Call to Action:If you’ve ever wanted to make an impact but didn’t know where to start, this episode is for you. Don’t wait for the perfect moment—find out how small steps can lead to big change. Listen to the episode here and get inspired to take action today.
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Today on episode 490 I'm talking wtih Nash Billimoria. After a decade-long career in investment banking, he founded Re-Map and developed the High Impact Culture method to help the founders and leaders of growing companies to navigate their unique challenges, of scaling from 30 to 300 people.
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Show NotesBurnout in the city or balance in the mountains? The surprising lesson every leader needs to learn.
What HappenedPicture this: You’ve just had the time of your life skiing through the untouched powder of Jackson Hole. Adrenaline’s still coursing through you. The world feels alive, vibrant, right.
Now fast forward to a gray, drizzly Monday morning in London. You’re back at your desk in a high-rise, staring at the photos of your ski trip on your computer, wishing you were anywhere but there. That’s the moment Nash Billamoria realized something profound: climbing the corporate ladder wasn’t his mountain to summit.
Years later, Nash is helping founders and teams rediscover what he learned on that fateful day—how to balance ambition, purpose, and joy while building high-performance organizations. He calls it the Tricorn Company model and named it Re-Map. Where companies don’t just grow financially but thrive in well-being and social impact too.
PrincipleHere’s the truth: Success isn’t about grinding yourself or your team into burnout. It’s about balance. Just like in the backcountry, leaders need to know when to push, when to pivot, and how to bring their team along for the ride.
In business, the stakes may not always be life-threatening, but the consequences of poor leadership are just as serious—disengaged teams, missed opportunities, and organizations that fizzle out instead of thriving.
TransitionToo often, leaders feel stuck. They focus so much on the numbers—hitting targets, securing funding, scaling up—that they forget the human side of leadership. This creates toxic environments, stifles innovation, and makes the path forward feel like a slog.
That’s WhyThat’s why this week’s episode of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast is a must-listen. Nash Billamoria shares how to create joyful, impactful, and high-performing teams—using lessons he’s learned in both the boardroom and the backcountry.
Call to ActionIf you’ve been searching for a way to lead with clarity and purpose while keeping your team inspired, this episode is for you. Don’t let the grind hold you back. Tune in now to discover how to build a company—and a leadership style—that truly thrives.
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In this episode of The Outdoor Biz Podcast, we welcome outdoor writer Dan Oko, who joins us to share his experiences and insights into the world of outdoor adventure and environmental storytelling.
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Show NotesHave you ever wondered how someone born in the concrete jungle of New York City could transform into an outdoor adventurer, chasing salmon in Montana and rafting down the Rio Grande? Let me introduce you to Dan Oko, a guy whose life story sounds like a Hollywood script… if Hollywood scripts were written in hiking boots.
Ever driven a beat-up Toyota Corolla through Montana like it’s a 4x4? Dan Oko has—and he’s got the stories to prove it.
What Happened:Dan didn’t grow up climbing mountains or rafting whitewater rivers. He was a kid with a fishing pole and a dad who owned a patch of land upstate. That’s where it began—pulling bluegills out of a five-acre pond, exploring the woods, and imprinting on the wild.
Fast forward to his twenties, and he’s living in Seattle, backpacking the Olympic Peninsula, and soaking in the clash between environmentalists and loggers during the spotted owl controversy. He didn’t just observe—he wrote. His curiosity drove him deeper into questions about land use, wildlife preservation, and how humans fit into it all.
His adventures became the backbone of his storytelling: hitching rides on Montana rivers, hiking until the grid disappeared, and fishing wherever water touched land. Oh, and his car? A Toyota Corolla masquerading as an off-road truck. Let’s just say, his photographer didn’t appreciate the busted back window in winter.
Principle:Dan’s story isn’t just about adventure—it’s about perspective. He learned early that great storytelling isn’t about the writer’s opinion; it’s about giving voice to the people, places, and wild landscapes that need it. His work reminds us that we’re part of a bigger web of life, and the awe of the outdoors can change the way we see the world.
That’s Why:That’s why this week’s episode of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast is a must-listen. Dan shares how to embrace the wild, balance conservation with exploration, and rediscover that childlike awe for the outdoors. It’s not just an interview—it’s a wake-up call for anyone craving more adventure in their life.
Are you ready to trade excuses for exploration? If you’ve ever felt stuck behind a desk, dreaming of big skies and wild trails, this episode is for you. Don’t wait for the perfect moment—listen to Episode 488 now and get inspired to chase your own wild stories. 🎧👉 Click here to tune in.
Adventure is closer than you think. 🌲
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